1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the buffet with 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at buffet. 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the buffet with Dad and Scooch. I 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: am Chad Moman from the Action Network on the phone 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: with me from the Orleans, representing all the BOYD gaming books, 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: not just in Sata, Nevada. He is becoming closer and 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: closer to the bookmaker to the world. Mr Bob Scooci, Hey, Chad, 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: what's going on? Listen? We haven't been together for a 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: while because we've been taking various vacations, um and since 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: we last got together. Scooge it's almost like the world 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: has found sports betting in particular this week in particular. 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: So there's there's we're gonna be We're gonna do some 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: pretty serious Capital J questions right now. Capital J journalism 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: questions because uh, it is Wednesday afternoon, and uh, I'd 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: say over the past forty eight hours there have been 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: some incredible announcements about what's happening in the sports world 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: around sports betting. Number one is um. On Monday, I 22 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: believe the MGM and BOYD, your company, made an announcement 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: that they were merging forces for a variety of sports 24 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: book operations. Explain to me what's going on. Explained to 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: the world, what's happening, and how this brings you closer 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: to being bookmaker of the world. Yeah. Yeah, it's been 27 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: a whirlwind actually since ever since the repeal have passed. 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: But there's just so many things happening so so very quickly. 29 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: So so the deal with with MGM and BOYD, it's 30 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: really larger than sports betting. It's kind of online and 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: eye gaming, which is kind of interactive gaming. It's you know, 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: slot machines, blackjack on your mobile devices. There's a whole 33 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: it's a whole new direction uh that uh, you know, 34 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: each state is kind of passing regulations to allow for 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: more and more. So the two companies decided to join 36 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: forces to get into markets that each other weren't already in. So, 37 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: in other words, BOYD was in ten states around the 38 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: country and MGM was in some other states. So by merging, 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: it allowed MGM to get into some of the states 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: they weren't already in, such as like Kansas and Iowa. 41 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: It's a lot of the Midwestern states. And it allowed 42 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: boy to get into states that we were no longer in, 43 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: such as New Jersey. So with sports betting being a 44 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: part of that online gaming, it allows for uh sports 45 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: betting into some of those jurisdictions that we weren't already in. 46 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: All Right, explain, as Denzel Washington likes to say in 47 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: his movies, explain this to me, like I'm five, I 48 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: don't really understand. I don't understand anything you just said. 49 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: All I heard is how I heard is MGM, BOYD slots, 50 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: eye gaming jurisdictions, New Jersey flyover states. Uh. I don't 51 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: know how this affects me as a sports fan or 52 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: a sports better, or how this affects me as a 53 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: fan of you and your world dominance. Yeah, you know what, 54 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand a lot of it yet. It's still 55 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: it's still uh evolving. So but basically it's gonna mean 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: that a lot more people can make ats on their 57 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: phone in a lot of other states, if not right now, 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: in the next two years and two of the companies 59 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: that will be kind of leading that charge, or or 60 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: MGM and BOYD being in so many different jurisdictions, so 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: many different states. So it just means that, you know, 62 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: we can offer more sports betting in a lot of states, 63 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: both BOYD and MGM, and a lot of people that 64 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: are looking to bet using their either pecs or mobile 65 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: devices are going to be able to make wagers, including 66 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: sports wagers, but beyond sports wagers. Um. And we're just 67 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of looking forward, looking to the future to expand 68 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: on this whole notion of sports betting. Alright, So so 69 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm clear, if I go to an MGM book in 70 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: say New Jersey, and I want to bet on sports, 71 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: and I want to do it at the brick and 72 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: mortar casino like the Borgata, or I want to do 73 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: it on my phone, um while in the state of 74 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey, that sports book is being operated by whom 75 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: we haven't determined that yet. That's too premature for I 76 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: mean that there's a chance that you'll have two different products, 77 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: an MGM product and AVOID product, or it could be one. 78 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: But I mean it's the it's uh hasn't been flushed 79 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: out yet. So the merger, the the what is this 80 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: like a joint venture? Yeah, JV. They called JVC j 81 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: V j V. Um it sounds like a varsity to me. 82 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: You don't jan any time when Avery Time Scooch is 83 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: involved in a deal, they don't call it a j V. 84 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: They just call it a v like that. Um I 85 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: uh So basically what happens is like, do you guys 86 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: then how does it work? Are you guys sharing the 87 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: profits on bets made through these devices no matter where 88 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: the bets are made, because now you're in more jurisdiction. 89 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: So it's like you take a little bit less where 90 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: you might have gotten everything, but you're getting a little 91 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: bit more where you're getting nothing. Well, I can't go 92 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: into the commercial agreement part of it because there's a 93 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: lot of other things involved, but but yeah, there's a 94 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: there's a sharing of of payments and money being put 95 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: into the joint venture. But it just allows more opportunity 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: for both companies. So without having to buy actual giant 97 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: casinos in every state in order to operate, these are 98 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: the ways that the big companies can get into sports 99 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: betting in each state. Because remember it's not federally approved, 100 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: it's just kind of federally not banned, so each state 101 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: draft their own regulations surrounding sports betting. So companies like 102 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: Hours trying to get into as many big markets as 103 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: we can. And we're already in a lot of big 104 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: markets with casinos, but now this allows us to get 105 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: into big markets without actually having the casino in that state. 106 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: That makes sense, So totally makes sense. I love it 107 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: for you. Who's running the MGM sports book right now? 108 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Is it j Rude? Yes? So can we get j 109 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: rudw on the podcast one day and have a showdown, 110 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: because what I would like, I would like it's settled 111 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Who's going to be the sports book 112 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: maker to the world? Well, you guys, how are you 113 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: guys going to settle this? Scooch Uh. There's so many 114 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: things happening so quickly, and every day changes. It's like 115 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: it's like you're out there on the ocean and every 116 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: time the wind changes, you're going you're moving in another direction, 117 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: and and that's kind of what's happened now. MGM made 118 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: still another deal, separate than than Hours and separate from 119 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: the other one you wanted to talk about, But they 120 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: also made one with a company called g VC, and 121 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that. But g VC 122 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: has a lot of brands like Party Poker and b 123 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Win and there's a whole bookmaking entity with g VC 124 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: in Europe, so there may be some other players involved 125 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: on the MGM side. So what are you gonna do 126 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: to stake your claim. It sounds like it's going to 127 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: get political and you might need to start thinking about you. 128 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about me, Chad. You gotta start who 129 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: bookmaker of the world. That's the goal, right book Let's 130 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be it. Let's get it, right, bookmaker to 131 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: the world. Okay, bookmaker to the world. Yeah, let's use 132 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the proper preposition. Okay, all right, Well listen, Scooch, I'm 133 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: gonna start making calls and if I gotta call like 134 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Big Al, then I'm going to call him. There you go, 135 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: Big Tony, Tony. I can't have Big Tony shut you 136 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: out on this deal. The MGM has been making some 137 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: moves all week. So you mentioned the GBC DAL which 138 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: I think is too in the weeds a little two 139 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: inside baseball for uh this podcast. It's a massive deal 140 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: and a really important deal, um, and a really cool deal, 141 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: and congrats to everyone who did it. But the other 142 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: big deal is MGM and n B A. What's your 143 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: take on this? This is a very interesting deal. Um, 144 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: give me your thoughts as a bookmaker in Nevada. I'm 145 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: sure you have a lot of thoughts. I do. I'd 146 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: have to put on a couple of different hats. I mean, 147 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: on the face of it, just like very very high 148 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: level or just you know, from objective objective you it's 149 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: a pure marketing deal where the two companies can use 150 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: each other's brand. So the NBA can use the UH 151 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: and MGM brand in a lot of their marketing both 152 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the digital space, on on their web 153 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: pages and whatever marketing they're doing on their mobile app, 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: and then vice versa. Mg HIM can use the NBA's 155 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: intellectual property and actually use the NBA logos without any 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: fear of you know, getting sued or anything like that. 157 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: So so so, on the face of it, it's more 158 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: than anything, it's a marketing deal between the two companies 159 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: with regard to the actual bookmaking end of it. Now, 160 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to put on my other hat. I don't 161 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: see a lot of teeth in this in terms of Okay, 162 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the NBA is gonna really you know, they're going to 163 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: give you some great data now that you know, we 164 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: didn't have before, and that's going to really help the 165 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: bookmaking side. That part. I think I need to see 166 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more, a little bit more evidence of that. 167 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, what what type of data are you now 168 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: going to get that you didn't get before? So I 169 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: think I agree with you. I think that's interesting. It 170 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: feels like a great deal for the NBA. Is there 171 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: anything to the idea that the MGMs data will be faster? 172 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Will this help accelerate the opportunity for in game wagering 173 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: in places where um in game is not available yet? Uh? 174 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: What about those elements? Yeah, then that is entirely true. 175 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: So the one, the one thing within play wagering. Now, 176 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: it depends on how kind of real time you want 177 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: to get with your bet offering. So in other words, 178 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: let's let's take a basketball game. If you wanted a 179 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: book whether or not somebody's making a free is going 180 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: to make or miss a free throw. A lot of 181 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: times there's not enough time to actually offer that wager. 182 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: From any kind of a feed that you're getting, whether 183 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: it's through direct TV or local broadcast, there's always a 184 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: few second delay so the theory or or the actual 185 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: reality is that if you're in the stadium or in 186 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: the arena and you're able to make that bet as 187 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: it's happening, you're you can you can almost make the 188 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: bet after the points been made. So so that so 189 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that they don't offer that 190 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: much in play into that granular like in other words, 191 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: like every second of every every part of the game. 192 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: You can't offer that much real time because you're always 193 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: on a delay. So with this deal, now the NBA 194 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: is now giving some real time data which can allow 195 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: an operator like MGM to offer more in play wagering 196 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: with real time, so they cannot they can offer more 197 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: now because they're getting a real time feed as opposed 198 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: to a three second feed or a six second feed. 199 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: So that you know, it doesn't sound like much, but 200 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: a six second delay is enough to where I can't 201 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: book that miss or make free throw proposition because people 202 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: in the arena are going to see the results before 203 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm able to book it. So so the you just 204 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: don't even offer it. Uh So so now out with 205 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: some real time data, uh you know, you're able to 206 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: offer more than you were able to offer before, not 207 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: for nothing, Scooch. Uh, that sounds like a big deal 208 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: to me. Well, I mean it could be how much 209 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: in play I guess it depends on where and how 210 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: much in play you think you're gonna you're gonna drive 211 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: from it. I mean a lot of people still I'm 212 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: calling bullshit. I am calling bullshit on you right now, Scooch, 213 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: because you know, you know that in Europe, in game 214 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: wagering is blowing up. Is of the handle in Europe, 215 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: and you know in Nevada at a lot of sports books. 216 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Go down to the street, talk to your friend Jake 217 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: Cornegate at the Westgate. It is becoming like of the 218 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: handle of some of these sports books. In game wagering 219 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: with that kind of data is a huge, huge deal, 220 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: and I think anyone who says that this isn't a 221 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: good deal for the MGM for that is jealous. Okay, 222 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: so let me clarify a couple of things. Yeah, it's 223 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: a big deal, but in terms of actual profits derived 224 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: from whatever they're gonna get, I'm still skeptical on it 225 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: because yeah, Europe has their their bets are from in play, 226 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: but it's on sports European sports like soccer, it's not 227 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: on American sport. So you see that the pace of 228 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: a bit of a basketball game, they're running up and 229 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: down the floor. Let's assume there's no fouls or there's 230 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: no uh breaks in play. You can't offer anything. They're 231 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: running back and down the up and down the floor. 232 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: You can't offer anything until there's a break in the action, 233 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: and then you offer it. So I actually think of 234 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: how much, okay, how many more props are you really 235 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: able to put up as a result of getting that 236 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: in the NBA? I mean you took free throws? Is one? 237 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: Where can you think of of another one that you 238 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: didn't already offer in the first place? You're thinking small? 239 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: The next level here, seriously, the next level for this 240 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: And this is what I would do if I were 241 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: at the MGM, and if j Rude is listening to 242 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: this podcast, this is what he should do. You don't 243 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: use humans to book those props. You get an algorithm 244 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: that updates every single play, so every single play there's 245 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: an automatic change to what the odds are in the game, 246 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: as well as automatic new props that come up, and 247 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: then people make the bets instantaneously. So you take the 248 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: humans out of the equation, and I guarantee you there's 249 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: someone at M I T who could build that algorithm 250 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: right now, that's what everyone's using already on in play. 251 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it depends on just how how granular 252 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: I can't say that word, but how how how minute 253 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: you want to get with your offerings? I mean, do 254 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: you want do you want to offer every possession? Just 255 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: back and forth? I mean, yeah, I guess you can. 256 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: You do, Scooch, you do because you want, like this is, 257 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a volume game. It's gonna be 258 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: a pennies game. It's not gonna be a dollar's game. 259 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: You want every single penny that comes in, and your 260 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: handle will grow with the minute bets, not with the 261 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: side action that comes in before the gamest. Well, if 262 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: you need me to come out there, if you need 263 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: me to come out there and figure out how to 264 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: run everyone's business in Vegas, I'm happy to do it. No, No, 265 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: I I admit that it's a big deal. I'm just saying, 266 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: putting a putting a dollar value and a dollar value 267 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: to it and monetizing it. I think that's kind of 268 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: a big unknown. And I got rob and I got 269 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Robo scoots ready with the algorithms. My friend, Oh, I 270 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: love Robo Scooch. He is so good. He is so good. 271 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: The fact you've done the podcast for like three weeks 272 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: and you're able to do a callback to Robo Scooch 273 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: is pretty amazing. UM, tells me how much how much 274 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: you love the podcast. Next, here's my other question for you. 275 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: We actually have a lot just for the For the record, 276 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I didn't even do this in the beginning, and I 277 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: should have done this, so it's a little late. But um, 278 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: we are going to talk major football like we are 279 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: going deep on football in this podcast. UM. But I 280 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: do need to ask you one more question, which is, 281 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: are you angry that the MGM did this deal with 282 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: the n b A our bookmakers angry that the MGM 283 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: did this deal with the NBA and essentially created to 284 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: the NBA's demands. I'm not going to speak on behalf 285 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: of um anyone on that. I've heard some comments from 286 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: other bookmakers and when when the deal was announced, some 287 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: other bookmakers in town were not happy at all and 288 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: they voiced their concern, and the concern was that obviously 289 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the league's want to monetize sports betting. 290 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: Now that past has been repealed, and again we're trying 291 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: to say how many real dollars or is that there 292 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: to be made? Can we can we still make sure 293 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: that all these entities make millions of dollars and still 294 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: not affect any of the pricing that would you know, 295 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: drive money back to illegal markets that that don't have 296 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: to pay some of these exorbitant fees. I mean, this 297 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: is kind of what happened, you know in the late 298 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: nineties and early two thousand's, where some illegal jurisdictions were 299 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: able to offer more attractive pricing because they just didn't 300 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: have the overhead. So now you know, there's we need 301 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: to figure out exactly how much money is out there 302 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: to be made before we start saying these guys get millions, 303 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: and these guys get millions, and everyone gets millions, and 304 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, does everybody 305 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: to the operators still make money and it's still worth 306 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: it to to do it. So there's there's a lot 307 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: of questions, and like I said, it's really only been 308 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: a couple of months of actually delving into this where 309 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: everything's kind of getting flushed out. But some of some 310 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: of the people around town some of the some of 311 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: the other bookmakers were not happy with it because just 312 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: on principle that that's just that's just the NBA, you know, 313 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: his NFL. Next h the NHL. Gary Batman came out 314 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: and said that that he wants money, that the NHL 315 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: wants money. So you know, you can't. You can't give 316 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: everybody a piece of the action and still have any 317 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: any money left. You know, Let's say there's let's say 318 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: you're betting a four team parlay and you're including, uh, 319 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: let's say you're including a baseball game, a football game, 320 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: basketball game, hockey game. Let's throw in n C double A. 321 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: Let's say it's a five team parlay and each league 322 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: wants one percent of the handle. That's five of the 323 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: handle that you're giving out to the league's And if 324 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: your theoretical hold is four and a half percent or 325 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: five percent, you've made zero money. I mean, the math 326 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: is there. So it's just you've got to be careful 327 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: with some of the kind of slippery slope or going 328 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: down on it. Sounds like the NBA got a good deal, man, 329 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: they did it right. I think the NBA got a 330 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: good deal too. I agree with you. Yeah, good for them. Listen, 331 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: let's transition. Let's transition. It's gonna be interesting how you, 332 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: as bookmaker to the world, manage this particular scenario. You've 333 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of ground to cover. You gotta go 334 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to topple j Rute and the rest 335 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: of the MGM. You've got to figure out how to 336 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: do deals with the NFL and Major League Baseball in 337 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: the NBA and anyone else. You've got a lot of 338 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: work before we get there. You and I have to 339 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: talk about NFL because the Hall of Fame game is 340 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: tomorrow night. This is Wednesday. Um, people are betting on 341 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: it NonStop. And we need to talk about futures, and 342 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: we need to talk about season win totals. I need 343 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the five futures right now that are getting the most 344 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: action from the public and the most action from the 345 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: wise guys. Um, most action from the public. Uh, I 346 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: mean you still get the usual contenders, you know, the 347 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: Patriots and Patriots, Eagles, Steelers. I would say from the public, 348 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: I would put the Vikings, Packers and Steelers right at 349 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: the top the top three. That's in terms of yeah, 350 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: that's in terms of number of tickets. Um, we saw 351 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: the the Vikings line drop from our opener of twelve 352 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: to one, we're now down to eight to one on 353 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: the Vikings, and and most of that is just largely 354 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: just just public money. Um. I mean we got we 355 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: got a little on the Raiders, but I would put 356 00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: them probably fourth next to the three I mentioned Vikings, Packers, Deelers, 357 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: and then probably Raiders is right there, Raiders are right there, Radiators. Interesting. 358 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: So so you started off saying Patriots, Eagles, Steelers, but 359 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: then you backtrack and said Vikings, Packers, Steelers, Raiders. So 360 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots is not up there. So the yeah, they're 361 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: probably fifth and sixth. I mentioned them first because they're 362 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: the They were the opening top two, uh you know 363 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: from from the super Bowl, so they were the opening 364 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: favorites to start the new odds. So but in terms 365 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: of actual tickets written, um, I think there's those in 366 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: order of the teams that I just mentioned, So Packers 367 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: and Vikings, Packers, Steelers, then Raiders and then followed closely 368 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: by Patriots Eagles. And what if the Packers dropped to 369 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: the Packers are now down to nine to one, what 370 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: do they start at? And they opened also at twelve 371 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: to one, and what about the Steelers and the Steelers 372 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: are they opened well, actually, the Steelers opened eight to 373 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: one and they're up to ten to one because most 374 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: of that public money. You also mentioned who who the 375 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: wise guys betting, and there's a couple of teams that 376 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: are getting a lot of money from the wise guys too. 377 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there 378 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: still on public, public money. Basically, what you've just told 379 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: me is that, um, you don't respect the public. You 380 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: have zero respect for the public. You've gone opposite of 381 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: the public. The public is saying, we like the Steelers, 382 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: and you're saying, yeah, yeah, we're okay here with a 383 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: liability here pretty pretty much pretty much. You know, I 384 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: wasn't real high on him last year too with and 385 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, I just Roethlisberger's on the kind of downside 386 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: of his career. I'm sure he's got some some some 387 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: great games left in him. But you know, the older, 388 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: the older, we all get. Uh, with the exception of 389 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's usually, uh, you drop in your your ability level. 390 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: What about the Raiders, what have they going from? Uh? 391 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: The Raiders opened up at the eighteen to one and 392 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: we're down to twelve to one on them. Um, and 393 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: that's and that's and that's largely. I mean, you know, 394 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: I drive by the Raiders Stadium every day on the 395 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: way to the Orleans. It's only a mile down the road. 396 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, there's a lot of enthusiasm around 397 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: town with the Raiders coming here. You see the logos up, 398 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: you see the billboards. Uh, it's gonna be. It's it's 399 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: gonna be just this next couple of years is just 400 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: gonna be just more and more Raiders branding and co branding. 401 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's gonna be. Uh. There's a lot of 402 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: embracing of the team, especially with the success of the 403 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: Vegas Golden Knights and now to have another franchise in 404 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: another league the NFL. Uh, people are kind of getting 405 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: excited about it, and they're throwing down a few bucks, 406 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: even though that the Raiders aren't physically here in in 407 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: Vegas yet. Okay, So the Vikings, the Packers, I get, 408 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: the Dealers, I get, they're generally a public team. The Raiders, 409 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: I understood it as soon as you said it. Pats 410 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: and Eagles, I totally get. Well, why do we think 411 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: the Vikings are getting so much public action Dore's everybody 412 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: believe in Kirk Cousins. So yeah, I think they were 413 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: looking at last year. I mean, they got so close 414 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: last year and uh and their defense certainly, uh was 415 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: a contending team and they're they're still a public team. 416 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: The Vikings still have a lot of support over the years, 417 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: even though they've just never quite made it to that 418 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: that pinnacle. But I think there is a lot of 419 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: support for Cousins. I think that, uh, there's always been 420 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: that kind of question mark surrounding the quarterback positions, Like 421 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: it was always like, Okay, this is really a great team, 422 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: but just no consistency from the quarterback position, and you know, uh, 423 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that they did have that we're good just couldn't 424 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: stay healthy, like Bridgewater and Bradford, and so they're looking 425 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: at a guy that, hey, this guy at least can 426 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: stay healthy, and they've got the rest of the team 427 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: surrounding them, So I guess they just felt that there 428 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: was a little value there. So you kind of just 429 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: jinxed them, which is cool. Yeah, I'm not a King fan, 430 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: but so we'll tell you. You know, here at the 431 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: Action Network, we do a show for ESPN Plus and 432 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: last week, we ran through the season win totals for 433 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: the NFC North and the a f C South. I 434 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: had both the Packers and the Vikings going over their 435 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: season win total. Wow. Yeah, so I would be on 436 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: that bad win bandwagon. I guess you would say that 437 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm drunk you public right now, because yeah, yeah, 438 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: give me something deep, go deep and give me, like, 439 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, your prediction on maybe the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 440 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: or something like that. Then I'd be impressed. What is attempt? 441 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: But what is what? What is the Bucks total right now? 442 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: What is their season win total? Well, we've got it, 443 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: We've got it down right now because of because of Winston. 444 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Uh so, I mean if the suspension holds up and 445 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: so there's some there's some question marks on that one. Alright, 446 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: So pick a team that you might actually you know 447 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: you how about the Lions under? I chose the Lions under. 448 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: Here's why I killed the Lions. Yeah, way under. By 449 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: the way, last year seven and a half or so, 450 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: everyone knows, don't care, don't care number one, number one. 451 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Uh they had big wins last year. They beat I 452 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: think the Jags, the Saints, they beat the Eagles. Um. 453 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: They also lost to the Bears, the Giants, the Cowboys, 454 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: like they had bad losses last year and when they won, 455 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: they were as usual like cardiac kid teams. And they've 456 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: got a harder schedule. Um, I am not impressed with 457 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: what they've done to their boss her and I think 458 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: in this division where the Vikings are improved, the Packers 459 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers back. I actually think the Bears are improved. 460 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: They are the weakest team in this division. I do 461 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: not see them winning seven and a half games. Wow, 462 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: I remember, that's not that's not a John Q public. 463 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: That's that's that's going deep. I like it. The Robert, Yeah, 464 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: that was good. I have like this close to taking 465 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: your job because of my strategy around in game wagering. 466 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: Like Big Tony is gonna listen to this podcast. He's 467 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna be like, I gotta get that moment guy. That 468 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: moment guy deserved an Italian villa villa in a courtyard. 469 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why we gave this. Yeah, let's do 470 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: um the uh futures? Which of the wise guys on 471 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: uh the rams? Uh? That was? That was one of 472 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: the line we opened up at one early on the 473 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: season and down to seven to one. Now on the 474 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: rams and a lot of it's uh, a lot of 475 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: its sharp money, um the rams. The other one got 476 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: a lot on the forty niners. Um, not a whole 477 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: lot of public money, but some pretty pretty big bets 478 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: on the forty niners were at one got bet down 479 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: to twelve to one, so some money there, um, and 480 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: a little bit on the broncos. Uh so little just 481 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: a taste at at thirty five to one. And that 482 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: was that stupid who did that? Give me? Give me 483 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: that it's account number, and we're gonna call that person 484 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: because that is just dumb. That's a waste of money. 485 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: How much do you have on that one? What's your life? 486 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: I can and give you the exact liability? Well, what 487 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Ball park? Three grand? Eight grand? Grands? 488 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: Higher than that, higher than fifty grand? Yeah, you have 489 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: higher than fifty grand. And the broncos what was that one? 490 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about? The liability? Liability are you talking about? 491 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: You're talking about actual dollars on it? Uh, five figures, 492 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: five figures? Yeah, one better? Was that? Multiple people? Two betters, 493 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: two betters? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about 494 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: these guys. It sounds like these guys have too much money, 495 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: and I left one out. There's another team that that 496 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: actually got some some pretty decent money at fifty two 497 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: one and and I and I agree with this one 498 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: and moved it pretty uh pretty aggressively. U the Giants. 499 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, so, what did you move it to? U? 500 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the Giants? I am a fan, 501 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: me too, I am a really big fan. I like 502 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: their schedule. UM. I thought that team was a flaky 503 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: mess last year. Uh. Clearly the coach did not know 504 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: what he was doing. They had no run support. Eli 505 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: was exposed because he had no run support, and no 506 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. UM. I think this roster is improved 507 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: just by Odell coming back. I think Sae kwon Berkley, 508 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm not alone and thinking that he could be sort 509 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: of Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard four Nette like those two guys, 510 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you look back and the last two guys, 511 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: they were workhorse running backs. They got the ball lot, 512 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: they performed the level of expectation. UM. Berkeley is built 513 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: in that mold. They are a sneaky good team like I. Actually, 514 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: the Jaguars are four point favorites on the road. Against 515 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: the Giants at home in Week one. I am going 516 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: all in on the Giants in that game. I love 517 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: the three and a half we're down to on that one, 518 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: and I and I agree with you, and we did 519 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: move it fast, and I moved the UH. The season 520 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: win total up two seven over a dollar sixty UH 521 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: based on largely everything that you said. In addition to 522 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: some great athletes, UH in the in the defensive secondary 523 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: that they've got, They've got some of the best athletes 524 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: at the corner and free safety position. They shored up 525 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: the offensive line to protect the eli's blindside. I kind 526 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: of liked I really liked them in their division. I know, 527 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: I know everyone's looking at the Cowboys and I mean, 528 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: it's a tough division the Eagles, but I agree with 529 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: they could be a sneaky team. Yeah, I see. I 530 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: like the guys who bet on that more than I 531 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: like the guys who bet on the bron Goes. I 532 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: think the guys who bet in the Broncos should have 533 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: their wise guy cards taken away and the guys who 534 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: betted the Giants should be elevated to the perversity. Yeah. 535 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: I like the wee can go back. I want to archive. 536 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: These are that you already archive, and I want to 537 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: go back and at the end of the season and 538 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: see and see how well you predicted. Well, at this 539 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: point like it. What I've predicted is that the Giants 540 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: are gonna win the Super Bowl. So if they lose, 541 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm screwed, right, Yeah, but I am predicting. I am predicting, um, 542 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: the Giants to go over seven wins. I'm reading these downs. 543 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: So that's why he's taken me seven wins. I'm predicting 544 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: the Lions to go under seven and a half. Um, 545 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: what did you do on these two? You were with me? 546 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you on the Giants for sure. 547 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: What about the Lions? The Lions, I like, I don't 548 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: have a strong opinion on that, but I certainly wouldn't 549 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: go were the total, So yeah, I'd say I'm with 550 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: you on that one. You know what we're gonna do. 551 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: We need Actually I'm pulling a little fake on people. 552 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: I think we need to break this podcast up into 553 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: two parts and the next next week we have to 554 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: do season win totals. Sounds good, We're doing futures. Next 555 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: week is season win totals. You know what I mean? 556 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: That sounds good to me. And next week and more 557 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: than just a few minutes on this, Yeah, next week, 558 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell from ESPN is going to come in the podcast, 559 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: and maybe what I'll do is I'll have Barnwell come 560 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: on with you and me so we can have a 561 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: full on debate. Um, you don't, I know you don't 562 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: like follow anybody other than yourself, but Well is probably 563 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: the premier NFL one of the premier NFL writers in 564 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: the country. He is ESPN's lead NFL columnist. Nice okay, 565 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. You're not impressed. You should know 566 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: me by now. I don't get impressed by anything. Oh, 567 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: no way, I take that back. I was impressed by 568 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: your assessment of the Lions season win toll in uh 569 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: in nearly twenty years of friendship, that's the first time. 570 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: And then impressed to anything I've said. That's pretty much true. 571 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's review here for a second season, uh 572 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: super Bowl futures right now? Uh, the wise guys, this 573 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: is like this is like preseason ranking. So the wise 574 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: guys um are all over the rams. They've gone from 575 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: fifteen to one to seven to one, from twenty to 576 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: one to twelve to one. The Broncos went from thirty 577 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: five to one. Are they still at thirty five to 578 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: one or what are they at now? Uh, which I 579 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: think is stupid. And then the Giants from fifty to 580 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: one to one. I like, I like the moxie. I 581 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: don't agree with the bet, but I look, if you're 582 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: gonna take a flyer that like value, that's a fun 583 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: one to put in the bank. UM. And I might actually, 584 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I might do that too. I might 585 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: make it a little that little taste of that giant UM. 586 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: And then and then if we're talking about the public, 587 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: John Q. Public, which I don't disagree with them, by 588 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: the way, UM, also on I'll take that bet. I 589 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: have gone with the Rams under their season win total 590 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: and the forty niners over their season win total. UM. 591 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: And then John Q Public, Uh, we have the Vikings 592 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: have gone from twenty to one, No, No, from twelve 593 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: to one to eight to one. That's number one in 594 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: the one position. The Packers have gone from twelve to 595 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: one to nine to one. The Steelers have gone from 596 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: eight to one to ten to one. But that's because 597 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: you have zero respect for the public when it comes 598 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: to the Steelers. UM. The Raiders eighteen to one to 599 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: twelve to one. Uh, here's what's interesting to me. You 600 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: you conceivably have big liability on this. There's eight to one, 601 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: and yet you went up and all the other public 602 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: bets you went down. Yeah. Yeah, I mean sometimes you 603 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: gotta put put a little bit of opinion into it 604 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: and just take take a little bit of a stand. Wow, 605 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 1: you really don't like the Steelers. Yeah, I just don't 606 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: think they're getting over the hump. I don't think they're 607 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: going all the way. I mean, they've got a great team, 608 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: but you know, it's a long season, and when you're 609 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: getting a little kind of long in the tooth at 610 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: the key positions by the end of the year, it's 611 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: it's tough. It's tough to tough to get that that 612 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: that trophy. Are you shuffling paper in the background? Are 613 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: you starting to do something else right now? Are you 614 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: moving on the next task? I'm not not at all 615 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: know what I've got the Uh, I've got the headsets in, 616 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: but sometimes they sound like does it sound like the 617 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: microphone scratching? Yes, that it sounds like scratching your very stiff, 618 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: starchy suit color or something like that. That's probably a Yeah, 619 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't need to get one of those national mis 620 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: that you have, you know, in the booth and everything. Yeah, 621 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: you gotta get a full set up, get get listen. 622 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: You've been podcasting for a while now, you're kind of 623 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: a star. You should probably upgrade. Why don't you upgrade 624 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: once once on book once on bookmaker to the US. 625 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: I'll get that, fancy Mike. All right, I gotta call 626 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: big talk about that. All right, all right, scared, I'll 627 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: talk to you next week and we're gonna have a big, 628 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: big show. We're gonna talk about season win totals for 629 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: the season. Uh, thank you for coming on your podcast, 630 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: The Buffet. Thanks Jad, everybody,