1 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: What is up? What's going on? Y'all? This is another 2 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: episode of the Beatdown Podcast, Week fifteenth edition. I'm your host, 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: senior writer for the Commanders, Zach Selby, And if I 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: sound like I'm in a somber mood, probably as you 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: know by now, the Commanders have officially been eliminated from 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: playoff contention after their thirty one to zero loss to 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. Not really that much to say about 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: that game that hadn't already been said, other than, in 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: case you haven't already heard by now, Jane Daniels seems 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: to have reaggravated aggravated his elbow, Zach Ertz. Unfortunately toward 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: his acl he will be out for the rest of 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the year. Not great, but we will soldier on. As 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Zeke said, for the next four games, try to end 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: things on a positive note. In that begins with a 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: road trip to the Giants at MetLife Stadium and with 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: me to discuss how the Commanders can pull off a 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: win streak and hopefully hopefully end this eight game losing streak. 18 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: Is Jake Ron from DC News. Now, how you doing, Jake? 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: So good, Zach good to be here, and. 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: We had George Wilson, W t O P. George, how 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: are we doing? 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: I'm good, Zach ran a rock and roll I can 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: tell in your voice though, that you're you're feeling it, 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: you really. 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: You know. 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: I think we're all feeling it here. And it's such 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: a whiplash from last year because this time last year 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: we were, you know, we're in contention for the playoffs 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit more. And now it's, uh, well, 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: it is what it is, and losing, losing for two 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: months straight is not fun for anybody. Case Case didn't know. 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: I did not recommended zero stars here, but we will 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: continue on with this podcast here, winners, losers, points, questions, 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. By god, you should know how this 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: podcast goes by now you've been listening. Thank you so 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,639 Speaker 1: much for listening over through these through this losing streak. 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: And with all that being said, we're gonna jump right 38 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: into it and we're gonna start with what I was 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: part of what I opened up with the podcast with here, 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, zach Ertz down for the year, 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: torny I cel tough, tough look for a guy who's 42 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: really had a Hall of Fame career in a lot 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: of ways, and you can just tell how important he 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: was in the locker room, on the field to these 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: teammates and what's and souling. Everyone's really really emotional after 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: seeing him go down like that. It's something that no 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: one ever wants to experience in their career or in life. 48 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: It's gonna be. It's gonna be tough, and I wish 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: him all the best in recovery. But for the short term, 50 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: we have to figure out what the Commanders are going 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: to be doing in his absence, And there are some 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: options out there that I think some fans would want 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: to see, some things that you might not think about. 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: But it's either either way. It's gonna be. It's gonna 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,559 Speaker 1: have They're gonna have to find an answer here to to 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: replace that in the best way they can zach Ertz's production. 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: So that'll be the first topic of the question, is like, 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: what should the game plan for the Commanders be when 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: it comes to play thing zach Ertz and finding more 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: production of the tight end position. Jake, let's go with 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: you first. 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you think of replacing a guy 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: that's Hall of Fame stature in zach Ertz, it's going 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: to be hard to do. I mean, I think leadership wise, 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: it's going to be impossible to do at least the 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: tight end position, at least for this year. Maybe moving 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: forward they can find another veteran guy that can come 68 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: in and you know, replace him. But in my opinion, 69 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's down to John Bates and 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: Ben Sennett, and in my opinion, I want to see 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: Ben Sennen out there. This is a guy that has 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: been was highly touted, drafted comparisons to guys like kyleie 73 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: Yuschek when it came to what he can do blocking 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: wise as well as receiving wise, I want to see 75 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: more of that. I mean, the dude's only had four 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: catches all year, he has a touchdown, he's averaging over 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: ten yards of reception. I'd love to see a little 78 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: bit more of what Ben Sinnet can bring to the 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: table when it comes to this team. That's to be 80 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: kind of the trend that I talk about with the 81 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: questions that we're gonna do is just the trend in 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: which what we can get out of the players we 83 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: haven't seen enough of, and I think Benson is at 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: the top of that list. For me, is one of 85 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: those guys it's like, hey, he's been on this team 86 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: now for two years, where's the production, where's whatever? But 87 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: it's because of the fact that he's behind a guy 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: like a zach Ertz and a John Bates. But at 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: this point of the season where you're kind of playing this, 90 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: let's see what we kind of have out of the 91 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: guys that we have left. I think we got we 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: got to see what happens with Ben son Mo. 93 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the obvious answer. And I'm glad 94 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: you touched on him first because we will dive into 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: him a little bit more here in the next few minutes. 96 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Be first, we want to get Georgia's answers. But yeah, 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: well I will touch on Yeah. I think it's I 98 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: think this is something that the fans have been wanting 99 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: to see for quite a while. And I understand why 100 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: he's the second round pick. He has a lot of 101 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: potential and I think, you know, he's gonna have his 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: opportunities to do to show what he what he can do, 103 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: not just his blocker, but also as a pass catcher, 104 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: which to which is you know crazy that he's he 105 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: hasn't dropped a pass. His career is great. Grant it's 106 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: only been nine targets. But George, we'll go with you 107 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: same question. What do you think that the commander should 108 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: do with the titime position and what are your thoughts 109 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: about that group overall? 110 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think you know, you talk 111 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: about John Bates and he's ahead of him in the 112 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: depth chart, but that's because you know, Bates is more 113 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: of a blocking specialist, not really a pass catcher, which 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: Ben Sennett is going to be. I think you're going 115 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: to see more of Ben Sinnet. He's got an opportunity 116 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: now the second round pick. 117 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, I. 118 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 3: Think you could also see Colston Yankoff get more involved 119 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: as too. He's not really you know, a big wasn't 120 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 3: really a big part of this roster building, but you 121 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: never know now because this somebody's gonna have to step up. 122 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 3: But as far as catching the football, which you see 123 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: from kind of zach Ertz, I like to see Ben Sinnett. 124 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: You know, we've seen John Bates being able to block. 125 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: We know he can do that, so I think you'll 126 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: see a combination. But as far as a pass catcher, 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: you're going to have to see what Ben Sinny can 128 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: do because look ays and you know. I mean, we've 129 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: seen guys past catchers in and out of his lineup 130 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: all year long, and you finally had a full cop 131 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: on offense the other day, and then you lose a 132 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: guy like Zach Ertz who has been playing at a 133 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: high level. 134 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 4: And as Jake met you cannot replace that. 135 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: You felt just your heart broke for him just seeing 136 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 3: how emotional he was leaving that field on Sunday because 137 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: of everything he has put into this this season, his career, 138 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: this team. And you know, I remember in Philadelphia last 139 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: year at the end of the MC championship game, say 140 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: wish you could have played with Jane Daniels when he 141 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: was twenty one years old. Came back this year to 142 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: play with him and taking that trying to hopefully take 143 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: that next step, and it's just going to unfortunately end 144 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: this way. But you can't replace that kind of leadership 145 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: in the locker room. 146 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: And you could also see Marcus kind of giving him 147 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: some consoling words as he gets hard off the out 148 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: of the stadium. There you'll see Jaden kind of showing 149 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: his frustration for someone who's been an emotional leader for him, 150 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: been a very guiding force m guys like him and 151 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagern and Austin Eckler all kind of had that 152 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: veteran leadership and guide and so that's just for Jaden, 153 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: but for everyone on the roster as well. And Jake, 154 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned Benson at first, and you know, both of 155 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you guys did, but I feel like since you touched 156 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: it first, we'll expand on that a little bit more. 157 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: And it seems like, hey, maybe it is something to 158 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: do with him being third on the depth chart, but 159 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: I think you see a lot of the athletic potential 160 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: out of this guy, and I just wonder how are 161 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: they going to get be able to get him more involved? 162 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, is just a matter of him getting him 163 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: a field more in place of John Bates, because you 164 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: don't want to replace that that blocking skill set that 165 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: the John Bates has. But at the same time, this 166 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: is second one pick. He's going to be heading to 167 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: his third year at the end of this season. How 168 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: impressed are you by his ability as a pass catcher, 169 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: and like, what do you think, what would you want 170 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: to see I've been saying specifically as a pass catcher 171 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: that will make you say, Okay, I feel really good 172 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: about him heading into his third season. 173 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: I think a little bit of what you mentioned Zach 174 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: was the fact that he's not had a drop pass 175 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: and his career, which is which is crazy. And if 176 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: you think about what I want to see out of him, 177 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: it's maybe just a little more production, a little more 178 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: targets going his way. I'm not saying give them ten 179 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: targets moving forward or whatever. You give them four to 180 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: five targets, maybe three to four in that range, and 181 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: see what he can maybe do with that type of 182 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: production as we move forward through this season with four 183 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: games left, a lost season like we've been talking about, 184 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: maybe you could see the upside of the potential that 185 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: we have as a pass catcher for him moving forward. 186 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: And does that come with him taking spots away from 187 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: from John Baits Maybe maybe not. It could be something 188 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: where you have to go to tight end three tight 189 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: end set moving forward, so that way you can still 190 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: have a guy like John Baits and his caliber of 191 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: what he can do as a blocker with this with 192 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: this offense moving forward, but still be able to get 193 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: a guy like Ben Sonon in there work on his 194 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: blocking as well. But see a little bit more production 195 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: in the past game for four to five targets a game, 196 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: I think is a nice way to ease him in 197 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: to what you could possibly see as a long term 198 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: tight end one for this team moving forward. 199 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's I think that is interesting because 200 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe in some areas you would say, okay, without urs, 201 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: they don't really have a tight end one. But that 202 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: kind of goes into what I want to touch on 203 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: with George before we move on to the next question here. 204 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: And I don't know either you'll remember, but in the 205 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: off season, both like you know, Rye and Cliff Kingsbury, 206 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: they were talking a lot about they want to get 207 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: John Bates more involved in the passing game, because we 208 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: talked about a guy who has sure hands John Bates, 209 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: he didn't. He's got some pretty nice hands as well. 210 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: I think he has about like a seventy ish percent catchphrase. 211 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he doesn't had that many targets this 212 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: year in the passing game, but he think he has 213 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: about seventy something yards or something like that he did 214 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: the year before. And I just wonder, like, I mean, 215 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: for whatever reason that that hasn't really gone that's gone 216 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: by the wayside as well, and maybe that has something 217 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: to do with the injuries or how the offense is 218 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: being played and all that other stuff, But I for one, 219 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: am curious about how John bas could perform as a 220 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: tight end one. I mean, I'll do credit to Ben Sinon, 221 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: but this is also a guy that they are very 222 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: they were very excited about when they resigned him. So, George, like, 223 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: what do you think about John Bates possibly being a 224 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: tinaned one of being able to show that, hey, not 225 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: only am I one of the best blocking tight ends 226 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: in the NFL, I can also run around, catch some 227 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: passes and you know, get in the end zone for 228 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: these guys. 229 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I think this will be a chance 230 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: for him to step up. I know they talk about 231 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: these primarily the blocking tight end and route running has 232 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: been his kind of weakness, but I think you know, 233 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: I mean, okay, you could say that, but it's also 234 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 3: stuff that you're working on all the time. He hasn't 235 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 3: maybe really been put in those positions to be in 236 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: that route running spot like zach Ertz and sometimes an 237 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: e Ben Sennence. So now maybe if they do feel 238 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: strongly about him and have confidence in him, then they're 239 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: going to put him in those positions. That's Cliff Kingsbury's 240 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: job right now. Right to get creative and put guys 241 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: in position to be successful. And I think that they 242 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: now will try and use Baits in both of those aspects, 243 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 3: kind of like you've seen zach Ertz and maybe and 244 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: then see what he can do. Because look, I mean, 245 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 3: as we talked about a lot already in this in 246 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: our media all year long, or since this losing streak, 247 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: now's a chance we're going to get to you what 248 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: guys can do. You're officially eliminated now. I know dan 249 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: Quinn's been asked about it, and he's kind of been 250 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: heaving and hauled about it because you're not there yet 251 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: because you're thinking about the playoffs. But now that it's done, 252 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: you've got four division games left and you have to 253 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: see what everybody can do. 254 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely do. And in quick quick stat correction 255 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: for me is bases at sixty nine percent in catchway 256 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: for his entire career with I think it is seventy 257 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: one yards so far on eight receptions this season. And 258 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: before we move on to you also mentioned Colson Yankov 259 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: could also be an interesting prospect there as well. They 260 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: mentioned his athleticism and he seems like he he seems 261 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: like he's very a natural fit for the position, and 262 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: I think he'll be someone that I want to pay 263 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: pay attention at least a little bit as well. We'll 264 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: move on here. Before we do, I'll say, like I've 265 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: been in this the last couple I think I'm gonna 266 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: hold off on the points. You know, I'll keep the 267 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: points to myself, I real, before I reveal the winner, 268 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: just to kind of up the stakes a little bit 269 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: for the podcast. That makes you where people are listening 270 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: a little more intently. And we'll move on here to 271 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna stay in the offense. And I think, you know, 272 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: for me, it was a very surprising performance about how 273 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: the offense played. I think they just around two und there. 274 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: I think that was the worst offensive performance that they've 275 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: had and it's been you know, I think it's about 276 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: I think it's like twenty twenty three season. So we'll 277 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: keep we'll keep it real quicker because we already tested 278 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the offense. Will one answer each for each of you 279 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: and I. Originally in the question, I said, Okay, how 280 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: do you fix the offense? That might be a little 281 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: too simplistic, but I do want to know, like, what 282 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: do you think the offensive to bounce back from such 283 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: a performance like that. George will start with you that was. 284 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: Back this week. 285 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: I mean, I still am trying to figure out what 286 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: we saw this past week when the offensive side, and 287 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: it's just really shocking the fact that they just weren't 288 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: in sync. And I don't know if it's the Jayden 289 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: Daniels thing coming back after missing time and they. 290 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 4: Haven't had practice. 291 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: I know we've constantly talked about that, but it's still 292 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: shocking to see, especially with the everybody on the offensive 293 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: side for the first time. 294 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: With the healthy offensive line, your complement a weapon. 295 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: So as far as I think, you need a week 296 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: of practice where everybody is on the field. Now, again, 297 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: we don't know what the situation is going to be 298 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: at quarterback, but even if it is Marcus Marrioder, he's 299 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: had lots of time now with this offense to kind 300 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: of get in a rhythm because of the amount of 301 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: time he has played this year. So I really think 302 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: it comes down to just the reps. I know it's 303 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: tough to do in a week of practice because of 304 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: you know how little you maybe do at practice full speed, 305 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 3: but they just have to nail it down and just 306 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: stay get on the same page, and it's constantly in 307 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: the meeting rooms and then to the practice field and 308 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 3: the mental reps, and it's just it's you can tell 309 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: it's there, the weapons are there. It's just a matter 310 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: of putting it all together. And I think that the 311 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: fact that guys have not been in. 312 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 4: This lineup in and out of this lineup all year 313 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: long has been a big deal. 314 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: And I think if you can get a week of 315 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: practice with or without Jayden Daniels now and keep guys 316 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: consistent from last Sunday to this Sunday on the field 317 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: health wise, then that would go a long way against 318 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: the Giants team it is pretty bad as well, But 319 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: I also thought the Vikings were a pretty bad football team. 320 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: But this week the Giant's coming off a big losing streak. 321 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: But they are coming off of it bye, But the 322 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: opportunity is there. 323 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I'll remind people. It's an obvious thing 324 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: to say, but I will remind it. People want to 325 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: say this is not mad and this is real life. Like, 326 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you can't just throw players into this line that lay 327 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: into the season expect them to perform the way that 328 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: you think they should perform. It does take time to 329 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: get out of that chemistry and get those repetitions down, 330 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: and like for whatever, you know, for the injuries, all 331 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: that considered, like it has been very hard for them 332 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: to get into a rhythm because of all the things 333 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: that have involved in this late in the season. It's 334 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: going to be a hard to do that. Jake, same 335 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: question to you. 336 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of a quick piggyback off of what 337 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: George said. You know, the fact that you know Jayden 338 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: in there and some of these guys healthy back, I 339 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: think everyone, like you said too, Zach, everyone just assumed 340 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: that everyone's back, the gang's all back together, and in 341 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: the last seven or eight weeks of them not playing 342 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: together just didn't matter at all coming into this week 343 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: against the Bike, but it showed. It showed that the 344 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: fact that they did not have enough reps together and 345 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: that kind of was a reason that things just felt 346 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: a little off. I think you get Mariota back in there, 347 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: and he has a little more familiarity with some of 348 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: these guys on the offensive side of the ball, I 349 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: think things will start to click a little bit more. 350 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: And then you obviously play a team like the New 351 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: York Giants, Like you said, Zach, they're struggling as well, 352 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: and I think this could be a big kind of 353 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: pick me up game before you play Philly in Dallas 354 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: the last three weeks. 355 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: We'll move on to final question. I will go and 356 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: reveal the score. Now, both of your tile. Like the 357 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: stuff that George said about, you know, all the chemistry 358 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: and and the revs together, and I think that that 359 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: ended up putting him up to you know, one to 360 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: one each year heading to the final round. And you know, 361 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: real quick here, it's gonna be really simple. You know, 362 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: both of you kind of tests on it. Different players 363 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: are gonna have different opportunities through the last four games. 364 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: But of the players who maybe haven't gotten as much time, 365 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: which one do you want to see the most out of? 366 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: And George, we'll start with you on this one. 367 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with I know we talked about the 368 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: tight ends. I'd like to see that. I want to 369 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: see more. Let's go defense. 370 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: I know there's been a lot of talk about Jordan 371 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: McGee this year and getting his opportunity. We've seen flashes 372 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: of it since Dan Quinn has taken over. I know 373 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: he was stepped up a little bit last week. Bobby 374 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: Wagner was in and out of practice. But mcdee with 375 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: three tackles the other day against the Vikings. I think 376 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: you've seen flashes of it six last week. The week 377 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: aldgo against the Broncos, you've seen him put more pressure 378 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: onto quarterback. I like the way they're using him. I 379 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: want to see him down the stretch. Bobby Wagner is great, 380 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: and his linebacking corps is great, but we know that 381 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: they are getting older and you're going to need to 382 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: rely on some of these young guys. So I'm gonna 383 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: go with I mean, there's a number of them. I 384 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: want to throw a shout to Chris Rodriguez as well. 385 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: He's been the way he's been able to be a 386 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: powerful running back as of late on the offensive side, 387 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: but we've kind of seeing him in and Atlanta. But 388 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: I want to see more of Jordan McGee going down 389 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: to stretch this year. 390 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: But Deee's a popular pick. I know the fans definitely 391 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: want to see more of him, and he had no 392 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: disrespect to Bobby Whader. Of course, by the way, vote 393 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: for him for the Pro Bow. He's fourth in the 394 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: league right now, and for linebackers in probable bletting, you 395 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: should go vote for him, Jake, same question. 396 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going familiar. 397 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of go the same position that George did, 398 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: but I'm going Caye Madrano. I just think this is 399 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: a guy that almost in the same instance, is what 400 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: you want to see from Jordan McGee, even though Jordan 401 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: McGee's had a little bit more experience in this league 402 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: compared to the rookie Modrano. I want to see what 403 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: he can do because obviously Bobby Wager can't play untill 404 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: he's five hundred years old. 405 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, the dude just keeps. 406 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you can. 407 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy seems to be just you know, 408 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: fanning to test the time right now with the way 409 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: he's playing, and like you said, Zach in the Pro 410 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: Bowl voting where he is right now. 411 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: But I want to see a guy like cam Modrano. 412 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is only played in five games 413 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: this year, and he's played a little bit more down 414 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: these past couple of weeks. I want to just see 415 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: a little bit more of what he can bring to 416 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: the table, maybe even alongside Jordan McGee, and see what 417 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: we can get with the youth at that linebacker position. 418 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: It's really the only healthy. 419 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: Position on the defensive side. So it was hard to 420 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: pick anyone else on the defense because we've seen some 421 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: other guys step up and have to you know, get 422 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: some reps and do some stuff because of the amount 423 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: of injuries on the defensive side of the ball. So 424 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: I had to stick with that linebacker position because we 425 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: know we have from Bobby, we've seen a lot from 426 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: a decent amount of Jordan McGee as well, at least 427 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: in the last last you know, during this losing streak. 428 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: I should say, I want to see what the rookie 429 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: Camederno brings because I think with his speed and what 430 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: he could possibly be a potential wise, I think of 431 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: a guy like Ryan Shazier for the Steelers a couple 432 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: you know years back, where he has the speed to 433 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 2: be a three down linebacker if he can just kind 434 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: of get it get it right in between the years. 435 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: At the NFL level, I think we could see a 436 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: cam Modrono being a guy that could possibly be a 437 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: play color, possibly be one of those linebackers for the 438 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: Commanders for years to come. 439 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: I think I definitely do like Madrono a lot, and 440 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: I really hope we see more of him. I think 441 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: you make great points there, all right, winner, and it 442 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: was really tough as it was. I think it was 443 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: a rematch right between you two. Oh yeah, and it 444 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: was definitely it was definitely posted. It's close now and 445 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: I think by a hair, I gotta go with George 446 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: here on this because I love the McGee pick. I 447 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be something. It's gonna be really interesting. 448 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: And I know you gotta leave in like a minute, George, 449 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: so go ahead and give us some partying wards a victory. 450 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: I appreciate the rematch, Jake. 451 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: You know, I've been training for this since we were 452 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: on last time, and you just edged me out in 453 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: that twelfth round, so I appreciate you giving me another shot. 454 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: Oh it's always a pleasure. George and Zach thank you as. 455 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Well, of course. Absolutely it was great having you both 456 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: on here. Really appreciate you guys coming on on a Tuesday, 457 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: on the day off that we have here before we 458 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: get right back into it, and for everyone listening, thank 459 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: you again for listening, and be sure to rate you 460 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: view subscriber ever you get your podcasts, and until week sixteen, 461 00:19:40,760 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: this is the beatdown O