1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: normalist takes, Go with the News gets weird. This week 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: a special Vacation week edition, Independence Day edition where you 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: guys get to ask us whatever you want. I am 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham. 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. I'm so excited for this. I 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: love hearing what our listeners kind of think of us. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Yes, good, bad, and ugly. 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: We were saying this before we started rolling. But there 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: are a lot of cooking questions. I feel like people 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: think that we are capable in the kitchen. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: That's nice of them. 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is nice of them. Look, I love to cook, actually, 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 3: but yeah, I love. 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: To cook, and I love that that comes across to 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: be real. So yeah, let's get into it all right, 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Mary Catherine, what's the meal most requested in your homes 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: and what do you enjoy making for with your family 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: for dinner? 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so I would have to say, and I know 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: this does not put me solidly in the MAHA coalition, 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: is it? Oftentimes? Because I have four children, I am 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: not so much a cook as an improver of frozen food. 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: Like that's really my I'm like, oh, here's some frozen broccoli. 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: But I put like a little bit spicy, spicy. But 26 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: there is a running list of things that I make 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: that every single person in the house eats and enjoys, 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: because big, that's really bad. 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: I was trying to think of something like that, and 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have one. 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, there's only a couple for us. And 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: one is this like like Middle Eastern chicken shorma that 33 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: is chicking thighs in the oven, very simple, really complicated 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: spice combination, which is, yeah, it's wild that everyone eats it. 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Every single kid in the family. Dad likes it. I 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: like it. So that's one founded on Instagram. Thanks instagramzing uh. 37 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: And then we had one the other day that was 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: egg roll in a bowl, which is just sauteed cabbage, 39 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: spices and ground beef sauteed, and you know, he dressed 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: it up a little bit sure like everyone was eating it, 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, am I hallucinating? You're eating peppers, 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: cabbages and beef. 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: Okay, amazing. 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, in my family, I would have to parse something 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: out for someone and it's super annoying. 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: I think the thing I. 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: Came up with is I make a roast, just a 48 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: Korean style roast with like Asian spices, and people in 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: the family all eat it to varying degrees. My nine 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: year old is super complicated. We say that he either 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: is like a ninety dollars dinner dish or like a 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: ninety cent it's either chicken nuggets or lobster for him, 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: there's really no in between. What regular people eat is 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: not adventures to him at all, So he a lot 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: of the times will have the chicken nuggets or a 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: corn dog as we the four of us have dinner 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: without him, We. 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Have one of those as well, where she's like either 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: very you know, she eats what we put in front 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: of her because it's basically required in our house for 61 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: the most part to try, you have to give it 62 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: a try. But she's definitely prefers like very bland kid 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: foods until you put a very expensive steak in front 64 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: of her and he's like absolutely same here. 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the nine year old is also all kinds of 66 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: wago everything for sure, oysters, but not like grilled. 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: Chicken because that's crazy, you know. 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, when will you share your pimento cheese recipe? 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know a lot of people think I'm 70 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: gatekeeping on this. 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeh, gatekeeping. 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean to gate keep, but it is my 73 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: father's family's recipe, so I should technically ask him before 74 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I put it out to everyone. Say a friendzy, you 75 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: are gatekeeping. I know, well I have to ask him first, 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: that's all about. Yeah. I think he would be like, yeah, 77 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: that's fine. I just would run it by him, and 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I haven't done that. But it is a five generation's 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: old South Georgia recipe. And here's the thing, it's not 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: complicated at all. Is that people get a little too 81 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: fancy with the pimento cheese and they think they have 82 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: to do a lot of things to it. You don't 83 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: have to do a lot of things to it. The 84 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: main thing that we do is that we grate the 85 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: cheese in two different sizes, so it changes the texture texture. 86 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that is my only sce. You send me 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: that recipe right after this. 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I will and I will clear it with my dad 89 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and then when I tell you guys, you're going to 90 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: be like, that's just very easy. Yep. But it's a 91 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: crowd pleaser. 92 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. 93 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Another food question, Biscuitville versus Bojangles. 94 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing. Biscuit Ville if you're not familiar 95 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: with it, Carol, which I'm not. 96 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is another. 97 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: Regional chain that serves biscuits. I had one. It's like 98 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: three and a half blocks from my house growing up, 99 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: and I swear that establishment was never open. Now this 100 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: is possibly because it was only open for breakfast and 101 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: like all the like people who were detective, okay, get up, 102 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: want to go eat there, like construction workers would go 103 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: have Biscuitville and then be off. But I found that 104 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: in my teenager experience, which is mostly what I experienced 105 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: around Biscuitvill's, Uh, they weren't open when I needed them 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: to be open, whereas Bojangles. 107 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a reliable that's like, you know, most 108 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: of the game with fast food. 109 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: It has to be reliable. You can't like. 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Really really really good grits, very good biscuits, solid food. 111 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: Just I was never able to land on a biscuit 112 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: bill that was there when I needed it. 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really the most important part. Look switching 114 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: from food to politics and dating, at what point in 115 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: getting to know someone should politics or general philosophy be 116 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: brought up. I know that it wouldn't work to be 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: with someone that doesn't have matching values, but don't want 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: to come on too strong right away. I'm just gonna 119 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: say it. You should come on strong right away. 120 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: I probably did filter. 121 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just don't waste your time. It's really 122 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: it's not about them. It's not about what they think 123 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: of you. It's about what you think of them. And 124 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: I think you just get it out really early and 125 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: see what happens. You know, I was a conservative in Brooklyn, 126 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: and that was an unpopular thing to be, so I 127 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: would find a way to bring it up very early 128 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: in conversations with new friends, with anybody, just because I 129 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: didn't want to trick anybody into spending time with me. 130 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: And if you don't like that, that's your problem. 131 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's probably smart. I'm trying to think. 132 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: I grew up in a very liberal town and everyone 133 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: knew I was the weirdo, so it just it was 134 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of out there. Yeah, there were so few conservatives 135 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: that it was like, oh, well, she's the one who 136 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: does the weird thing. She's the aberration, right, but and 137 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: so everybody kind of knew it going in. However, in 138 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: new situations, I do think it's harder now for people. 139 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: So I'm very I'm sympathetic to the idea that you're 140 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of dancing around it because I get being delicate. 141 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: I've tried to maintain many a friendship with many liberals, 142 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: mostly successfully over the years, and it does require a dance. 143 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: But those are friendships, right. So in a dating to 144 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: marriage scenario, I think you want to be pretty careful 145 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: about what is worth the trade off and what is not. 146 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: And you also don't want to get into deep and 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: then find out some values are not a lot that 148 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: will go badly for you. You don't have to be a 149 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: jerk face about it, but you can make clear who 150 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: you are, right. 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: I fully agree. 152 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: I actually am a friend's daughter is a very traditional girl. 153 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: She's in her early twenties and she's looking for someone 154 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: to marry, and I said to her, I think you 155 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: should put, you know, like looking to be a chad 156 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: wife in your bio so that there's there's no mistake, 157 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: there's no like, you know, confusion about who you want 158 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: to be and what you want. And if you're not 159 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: in the political world, terms like that, you know might 160 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: not mean anything to you, but it just it signals 161 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: what you're looking for. 162 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: I think I was in college and shortly after. I 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: was always very clear about my faith and that that 164 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: was important to me. And honestly, it was a very 165 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: good jerk filter for sure, because there are like people 166 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: do the calculation and they're like, hmmm, this is not 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: what I'm looking for, and if it's not what he's 168 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: looking for, yeah, move along, yeah, move along. So I do. 169 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: I do think that can be helpful for filtering for 170 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: who you want. 171 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally. 172 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Okay, this says high ladies love the podcast. My son 173 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: just deployed on the USS Jerald for He is twenty 174 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: seven years old uh an F eighteen pilot. Wooh, thank 175 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: you for his SERVI and awesome. This is his first deployment. 176 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: I live in super liberal loud In County, Virginia. I 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: am super sensitive about politics right now and don't want 178 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to have any political discussions with any lives. What can 179 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: I say other than I don't discuss politics because I 180 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: can't handle anyone else's opinions right now that are not 181 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: pro military, preferably a two to three sentence hack for this. Thanks, yeah, 182 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: let me repeat, thanks to your family and him for 183 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: his service. 184 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 185 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I can understand this being sensitive because you have a 186 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: person who's in the line of duty at this moment 187 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: and willing to put his life on the line for others. 188 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: And so if you're encountering somebody who thinks that that's 189 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: NBD or worse, thinks it's bad, that would very quickly 190 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: lead to bad interactions that and lost friendships. I think 191 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: I would advise. I mean one of the things that 192 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I do because I live in a very liberal area too, 193 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to have liberal friends, but not all 194 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: of them are level right, because sometimes you want to 195 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: be shared with other folks. I think you got to 196 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: have like your solid group of galfriends, either online or 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: in person, who do share those values, who you can 198 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: have those conversations with so that you can skip it elsewhere. 199 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: But Carol, a nice way to. 200 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: See yeah, you know, I don't know about a nice 201 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: way to say it, but I'll just echo what we 202 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: said to the dating thing is that you don't want 203 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: anti military. You know, people in your life, in your 204 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: life while your son is serving, that's you know, crazy. 205 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: I look, I have topics that I think are touchy. 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: If you want to bring down America, I'm just I 207 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: can't be friends with you like there are some lines 208 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: like if we have differences on tax policy, fine, but 209 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: if you're like America shouldn't exist, I mean, we just we. 210 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: Can't be friends. So I see that. 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: In the same place, I don't think you need to 212 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: worry about what to say to them. 213 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: I think you don't need those people. 214 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: And if they are anti military, they're ultimately just not 215 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: for you. Again, I'm big on cross ideological friendships, but there. 216 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: Are lines, and there are. 217 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: Some lines that I just don't think we should be 218 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: willing to cross. 219 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Also, you could sort of speak the language of if 220 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: you if you wanted to head something off at the 221 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: pass and you're just like, you know, it may be 222 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: somebody who's just like medium live but isn't being careful 223 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: about the way they're going to talk about this, and 224 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: you can can you use therapy speak on them and 225 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: it just be like, you know, I'm really I have 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety about my son's and. 227 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: And I'm like turning that around. 228 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just like to, you know, chat about 229 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: barbecue or football like that's that would be uh, that 230 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: would be my take. And if someone's just bent on 231 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: discussing possibles, I actually don't love that kind of relationship. 232 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: If you're really really dedicated to discussing politics with me 233 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: in a casual setting where we're doing other things, that's 234 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: actually not a good relationship for me. 235 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's exactly it. 236 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: And that goes for conservatives too, for like, you know, 237 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, both ways for sure. But yeah, 238 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: I don't think you need to put up with people 239 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: who are wishing ill to your child. Really, I think 240 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: that's pretty clear. Yeah, will you be going on tour 241 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: at some point? Please come to Dallas. I'll just say 242 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: that if we are going on tour at some point, 243 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: we will be starting with a Dallas Cowboys game. 244 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: Yes, I'll dare. I'm good with Dallas. I would love 245 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: to come to Dallas. But yeah, have you been to Dallas? Yes, 246 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: but only only a few times for too short a 247 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: period of time, so I don't get to see a 248 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: ton of it. 249 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: I really like it. I love Dallas. 250 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: Seeing a Cowboys game as it is an American spectacle. 251 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: That's right, it's America's team. You could say it. 252 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know all that. 253 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 3: Ka is shaking her head in disgust. 254 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Let's not go too far, but you know it is, 255 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, big, and yeah, you know it is. Yeah, 256 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: also we have no plans, but also I do love 257 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: doing things live and they are so fun audiences, So yeah, 258 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: you would certainly considerate. 259 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: And we'll wear the Florida and Bojangle shirts in real 260 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: life that we have to have in the baby pictures. 261 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: All right, MK, we all know you attended the University 262 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: of Georgia. 263 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: What college university was your second choice? And why? 264 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: So fun story. I did not apply anywhere else. 265 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: What are you serious? 266 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Wow? 267 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: So she's like, I'm either going here or I'm not 268 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: going to college. 269 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: No, actually, it was just that my senior writis extended 270 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: to applying to college. And I liked the University of Georgia. 271 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: It had a decent journalism school, It had a decent 272 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: football team. It had a lot of people, which was 273 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: something I was looking for because I felt that at 274 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: a small liberal arts school, I was maybe not going 275 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: to find my pool that I clicked with. So I 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: wanted big. I was comfortable with that, and part of 277 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: it was economic, which was I knew I was probably 278 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: going to end up at a state school. In my family. 279 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: I kept my grades up so because knowing that the 280 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: my younger brothers were probably not going to get scholarships, 281 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and I was like trying to keep the overhead low 282 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: for the whole fame. 283 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: So that's so older sibling, a very older sister. 284 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: So I was always keeping those grades up. And I 285 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: had the goods to get into UGA, and I didn't 286 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: have a lot of money to be applying a bunch 287 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: of places that I wasn't going to end up being 288 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: able to go. So there was part of me that, 289 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: for pride's sake, wanted to be like I got into Georgetown, 290 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: I got into Duke or whatever, right, right, it was 291 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: sixty to seventy five bucks a location. 292 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was feeling this to somebody recently. 293 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know how you kids applying to like 294 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: fifty schools like I applied. 295 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: To four and that was extensive. 296 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: It was like a lot of money to do that, 297 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: and so yeah, I was I wasn't looking to spend 298 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: all that cash on applying to schools. 299 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: That's crazy. Same And so, yeah, did I lose out 300 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: on some of those bragging rights, Yes, I did, uh, 301 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: And I made the best decision, one of the best 302 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: decisions of my life, which was good to go to Uga. 303 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: They gave me some scholarships, which was great. I graduated 304 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: with no debt. Did not realize that that basically made 305 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: me a twenty two year old millionaire compared to my peers. Right, 306 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: and I had a fantastic time, so there really wasn't 307 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: a second choice. I did get homesick at one point 308 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: in my first semester at school because everybody was like, 309 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: aren't you scared to go somewhere where you don't have 310 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: any friends. I was like, nah, because I don't think 311 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: about you before they. 312 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: Had there, yep. 313 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: And then I got there and I was like. 314 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't have any friends. 315 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: So I did apply for transfer to UNC at one 316 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: point I did not take it, and I'm very glad 317 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: that I didn't. 318 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: Wow, imagine if you went to UNC. I just can't 319 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: picture it. 320 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: Can I? 321 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: So it was Georgia all the way. 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that first semester at school is very, very tough 323 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: on folks, and I didn't find my people until second semester. 324 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: I played lacrosse with them. Second semester I landed on 325 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: that club team and found all my people and loved 326 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: my life there. But man, that first semester was tough. 327 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I had a kind of a. 328 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: Flip side of that, where my best friend and my 329 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: high school boyfriend both came to college with me. Basically, 330 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: my best friend went to another school in Boston and 331 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: my high school boyfriend went to school with me. That 332 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: also wasn't great because I didn't meet a lot of 333 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: people and I didn't try at all. And then the 334 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: next year, when both the boyfriend and the best friend 335 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: decided not to come back to Boston, I was all 336 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: by myself in my sophomore year, where everybody already had. 337 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: Solidified boats of friends. 338 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: It was tough. 339 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: It's the hard way to do it. 340 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: But I you know, I feel like I didn't have 341 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 2: any advice on how this is supposed to go and 342 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: when you're supposed to be friends and I don't know, 343 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: I say, I always say immigrant parents, they really did 344 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: not know what they were sending me into. 345 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: We just throw you into the team. Good luck, right, Yeah, No, 346 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: I found the one The one thing that I did 347 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: benefit from is that because I had no friends first 348 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: semester and I was trying to keep my grades up, 349 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: I had a very early morning job. I delivered papers, 350 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: so I would get up at three thirty or four 351 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: every morning, seven days a week, and deliver papers, and 352 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: as a result, my grades did stay up. And the 353 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: other thing I did was work out, and so I 354 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: came home a lot different than my peers. 355 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: No, that was another way that that first semester was 356 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: definitely tough, that freshman fifteen. 357 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to the other direct because I just 358 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: went to the gym for like several hours a day. 359 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: Smart which is its own kind of issue. But yeah, 360 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: that worked out for me. 361 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: Somebody else asks while at UGA, did you take classes 362 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 2: with Fink? 363 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: Oh? 364 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: I did, and what's your best think story? 365 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: So Fink is a Conrad Fink was his name, and 366 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: he was a professor at the University of Georgia of 367 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: newspaper journalism, and he was at one point the head 368 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: guy at UPI, which was the main competitor to the AP. 369 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: So the Associated Press is like the go to wire now, 370 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: but for a long time UPI was the I think 371 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: it's United Press International was the competitor to AP. So 372 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: they were almost of equal, you know, size and scope 373 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: back in the day. So he ran one of those, 374 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: and he was a I believe a Vietnam be crusty 375 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: old marine guy turned newspaper editor. I would say, like 376 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: kind of. 377 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: I love people like that. By the way, those are 378 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: white people. 379 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: Fantastic like had no would take no guff off of anyone, 380 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: had no hair on his head and eyebrows out to 381 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: like four inches from his face. Guy. I think he 382 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: passed away several years ago. We stayed in touch. He 383 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: passed away several years ago, and I had emailed him 384 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: in between a little bit here and there. I don't 385 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: know how he would have done in the current era 386 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: of college students because he was a state talker. Yeah, 387 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: and he was a He was certainly a left of 388 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: center guy, but he was such a nineteen eighty five 389 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety five left of center guy that his 390 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: way of feeling in the world would not have been 391 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: welcomed by many. Gen Z and gen Z in particular. 392 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: Sounds like that, right, But I loved him. 393 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: He actually recommended me for a job that I didn't 394 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: get one time, but it was very kind of him 395 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: to think of me. By the way, this is a 396 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: very sliding doors moment. He recommended me for the Augusta, 397 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: Georgia newspaper's op ed page as an assistant editor. But 398 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: I was like twenty four years old. Yeah, I probably 399 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: wasn't really qualified for this, but the op ed page 400 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: was the editorial page was conservative, and there were so 401 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: few of those, and there were so few of me 402 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: in the news business that. 403 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: He was, Oh, you're not the natural fit, right. 404 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: He was like, Hey, this is Conrad. Do you think 405 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: you want to try this out? And so I went 406 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: and interviewed and it went pretty well, but I think 407 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: I was just too for what they were looking for. 408 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Didn't get that job, ended up coming to DC. So 409 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: the rest is history. But I always appreciated him thinking 410 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: of me and knowing this could be a fit, and 411 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: that he wasn't condescending or a jerk about my politics. 412 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: He just knew that I thought differently. 413 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: Love it all right, We're gonna wrap it up with 414 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: one last question about college related stuff, and I'm gonna 415 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: punt this to you because I really don't know what 416 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: this means. Does Florida State belong in the SEC? What's 417 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 2: funny is when I read it, I was like, are 418 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: they challenging whether Florida State is in the SEC? 419 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 3: And then I googled it. 420 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I are really nice. 421 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: Be nice, it's my Florida. Whatever it is. 422 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: This is one of those things I have to be 423 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: nice because two of my really good friends went to 424 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Florida State, including Shannon Bram is a nult, so I 425 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: have to be kind about it. One I will. I'll 426 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: give a disappointing answer, which is that the ever changing 427 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: tides of who belongs to what conference is a sports 428 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: story that does not interest me in the least. I 429 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: get overwhelmed by it because I'm trying to keep track 430 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: of Big Ten, which is now Big seventeen, and everybody's alliant. 431 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna nod, like I know what I'm taught, 432 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: like like, oh yeah. 433 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't. Here's here's where Florida State lost me. And 434 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: this is an this is an action it was taken 435 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: against the University of Georgia Bulldogs, is that they basically 436 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: checked out of the postseason game when they had a 437 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: perfect season and they didn't get awarded a birth to 438 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And you're nodding still. 439 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nodding and like drifting off. This is college football, right. 440 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: They basically were like, you know what, I'm not even 441 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: going to tell this story because I don't know I'm 442 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: getting the details right and it's boring you anyway. But 443 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: they basically said, like, eh, not interested in this postseason 444 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: game because we're too good for this. Wow, and a 445 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of people didn't play and blah blah blah. Anyway, 446 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: you lost me there, like it's a it's a moment 447 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: where you just have to rally. 448 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I I you know, I'm going to just 449 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: say I agree they should have rallied. 450 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: That season was twenty twenty three. It was the undefeated 451 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: season by the way, amazing. 452 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to be back with the next episode 453 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: will also be some ask. 454 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: Us Anything questions and we're going. 455 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: To get into some more political topics next time. But 456 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, 457 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get 458 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com. 459 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally