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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't go to stuff.

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Speaker 1: topic is a bit of a selfish one, a bit

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Speaker 1: of me search, as it's called. But before we really

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Speaker 1: someone who dreams frequently, who has really vivid dreams? What's

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Speaker 1: I don't always remember my dream. I think I've told

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Speaker 1: you my sleep habit is really kind of odd. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was odd until people were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's not normal, including the night terrors type of thing

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Speaker 1: in which I am suspended and I can't wake up,

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Speaker 1: and I would have it when I was most stressed,

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Speaker 1: which made sense, and especially if I was napping, like

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Speaker 1: as you and I discussed, because you are more of

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Speaker 1: the dreamer, you will have always remembered your dream, which

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Speaker 1: is fascinating to me, and then we're gonna talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But for me, it's because I do the sleep and

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Speaker 1: remember most of your dreams, would you say you feel

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Speaker 1: I've had some really weird dreams that includes and I

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Speaker 1: this is this because I've dreamt about my teeth falling out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but then I'm also this one recurring dream of the

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Speaker 1: We talked about them. It's almost always something like being

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Speaker 1: I just had one recently and I was like, I'm

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