1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Everyone is in Jordan Romano and welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Will Lucky. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: It's the Philly Show. It's Thursday, Thursday. I was gonna 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: say February, May fifteen. It's May fifteenth, twenty twenty five, 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: as far as I know. How are you, guys? This 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: morning dandy? 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 3: Like February, February. We don't see the sun anymore? 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Like that? Oh my god, yesterday it was brutal. Well, 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: the last couple of days were brutal. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 3: I was. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: I was appreciative though on Tuesday of the early postponements, 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: so I didn't have to drive down to the ballpark, 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: sit there for four hours and then and then have 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: the game get postponed. But the Phillies played a doubleheader 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: on Wednesday. They split win game one two one game 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: two not so good. That's so good. They lose fourteen, 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: that's so good. That's so good. They lose fourteen to 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: seven to the Cardinals. And and guys, I think everything. 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: What's on everybody's mind is is Aaron Nola's latest performance? 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: You know he starts zho and five six four five 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: eras first five starts his last four three point three 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 2: three era. He had those two really good starts against 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: the Cubs on the road, at home against the Diamondbacks. 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: You're sitting there going, okay, maybe he's kind of through this, 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and then boom. Last night. It was the worst start 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: of his career, the worst start of Aaron Nola's eleven 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: year career. Gives up a career high twelve hits, a 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: career high nine runs ties, a career high three home 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: runs allowed. Uh, you know in three and two thirds innings, 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: are we right back to square one? Are you guys 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: worried that Nola's is right back to square one? 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a square. 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: He pitched pretty well against two good offensive clubs the 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: previous two times, but it just, you know, hammers home. 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: The point we've known for years that. 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: He doesn't have that top of the scale stuff that 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 4: he has marching for error. He doesn't have the top 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 4: scale stuff we can just blow guys away. He's got 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: to be pinpoint and when he when he makes a 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: mistake over the play, he's gonna get hurt. And he 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 4: got hurt in the third and fourth innings. Yes, say, 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 4: there were times in the third inning, it looked like, 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 4: I mean, they were taking some swings like they knew 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: what was coming. He's got to be he's got to 45 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: be precise at the bottom of the zone on the edges. 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: And you know, if he just if he doesn't have 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: it that day, he doesn't have his finesse game that day, 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: he doesn't have the stuff to get away with it. 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: You know, he he leads the majors in innings pitched 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: and starts since the start of the twenty seventeen season, 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: leads you know. 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: In innings like well of a four innings. 53 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: Leads to majors by like eighty five innings, which is 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 4: a significant bit. It's a testament to his durability, testament 55 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: to his toughness and how good he is. 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: He takes the ball, has success, stays in games. 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: That is a heavy, heavy workload since the start of 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. And you know, when I look at Andrew 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: Painter percolating down there in Triple A, and you know, 60 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: we think about, Okay, how they're going to fit Andrew 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: Painter in there. 62 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, they're going to go to. 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: A six man, a modified six man maybe to make 64 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: Zach Wheeler stay close to his day. I think Aaron 65 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: Nola is going to benefit from that a lot, because 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: they're going to look to prioritize extra rest for him 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: because he's pitched well on extra rest before, and because 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: you know, he's thirty two years old now with a 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: you know, high workload. It's right there, bears it out 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: right in the stats. And if they're going to try 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: to optimize him for October, you know they're going to 72 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: have to get him more rest so he pitches, getting 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: pitching back or else it's not going to be in 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: October for him or even this team, because if he's 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: not off to this terrible start, where are they in 76 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: the standings? 77 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: I think the metsa looking up up at him right. 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 5: Probably, that's probably true me have obviously Nola. I think 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 5: in the early part of the season the stuff wasn't there. 80 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 5: He didn't have velocity and have the zip, didn't have 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 5: the finish on his pitches. Yesterday's concerned me because there 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: were times when he has been tipping pitches as well, 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 5: and it almost felt like it was a combination of 84 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 5: this stuff being in the middle of the plate and 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 5: them knowing what pitches were being thrown. Uh, that's that's 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: that's how much damage that the Cardinals did against them. 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: Not usually an excuse for the guy, but but. 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: It seemed like. 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 5: They just weren't going to miss, didn't matter what he 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 5: was flipping up there, and it you know, I know 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 5: that Rob Thompson gets a little quote unquote paranoid about 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 5: guys tipping pitches, and it just felt like one of 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: those games where it didn't matter what he was to 94 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 5: throw in the kitchen sinc up, there was gonna get whacked. 95 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: So that turns me a little bit. 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 5: Maybe it is also something that they can remedy, which 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: would be a good thing, but his. 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: Overall stuff just not quite as crisp as it has 99 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: been in the past. 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 5: And again, you're right, Jim, he's gonna have to be 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 5: perfect and he's gonna have to be a little bit 102 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 5: more pinpoint with his stuff. He always had to be 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 5: that way, but I think he's gonna have to be 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: like that a little bit more so now with some 105 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: of the stuff being down generally overall, well. 106 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: I think like the first home running allowed was a fastball. 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: It was just over ninety It was up and out 108 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: of the zone, but you know, a ninety mile an 109 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: hour fastball. I mean, big league kids are like salad 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: at that. And then I think the second one, maybe 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: it was the Burlison was a fastball just again, just 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: over ninety miles an hour on the outer half of 113 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: the plate and pulls it, pulls it to right field 114 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: for a home run. 115 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 5: Uh. 116 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: You know, he gave up six six two strike hits 117 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: that right on Wednesday night, six two strike hits. He 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: has given up twenty seven two strike hits this season. 119 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: That's the second most in baseball, believe it or not. 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: Chris Sale leads baseball with twenty nine to two strike hits. 121 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: But he yeah, and Nolah kind of knows that. You know, 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: he says, my putaway pitches just were not there last 123 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: on Wednesday night. And you know that's a concern as well. 124 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: He's just not getting the swing missed him. You talked 125 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: about it. He's just not being it. He's not able 126 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: to finish anybody, put anybody away, and those two strike 127 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: hits are killers. I mean that was a big Remember 128 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: that was a big thing a few years ago. A 129 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: lot of two strike two one two home runs that 130 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: he allowed. But last night it was just you know, 131 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: single double. None of the home runs were two strike 132 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: home runs. It was all the singles and doubles that 133 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: he allowed. 134 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: You mentioned tipping. 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: If he's tipping pitches, Vermano was tipping pitches, they need 136 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: to make an adjustment because this is the big leagues, 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: and you know you can go to work on the 138 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: opposing pitcher and find little tendencies. Well you better be 139 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: going to work on your own pictures and finding tendency. 140 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: So find it a little hard to believe he was 141 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: tipping pitches. Find it more hard to believe his stuff 142 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: is just not that good. And this is stuff that 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: big league can't Big league hitters just demolished because they 144 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: trained for stuff these days in the cages, the high 145 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: v low, the high spin. 146 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: They trained for this. They're geared for this, and that's 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: that's what I see. 148 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: And I just think I feel for the guy because 149 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: there's no more honest, earnest person in that club house 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: who cares more about the Phillies, cares more about doing 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 4: a good job for the fans, cares more about the city, 152 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: caires more about the organization, works harder, and it just 153 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: seems like he's human being and at some point the 154 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: workload does catch up with you. And I just wonder. 155 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: It feels like we're seeing that right in front of 156 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: our eyes, and it makes me worried for the remainder 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: of the contract, frankly, because it's a long way to go. 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: But in the short term, they need this guy to 159 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: turn it around because the stakes are so high. 160 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: They need him to figure out what he can do 161 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: with what he has. And I have confidence he can do. 162 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: That because we saw at the previous two starts. He's 163 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: a smart pitcher. He can be crafty, he can he 164 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 4: can get by. He's just he's got to figure it out. 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 5: He's gonna have to figure out when he had when 166 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 5: his stuff is down, he's throwing a ninety min hour fastball. 167 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 5: How might how am I gonna work my way through 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 5: at least five innings of this? 169 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: What? You know? 170 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 5: What formula is going to work for me when I 171 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: don't have that stuff that he had, you know, the 172 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: three prior starts, three or fourth prior starts where his 173 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: stuff was sharper. 174 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it may not again, it may not be. 175 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: Tipping pitches, and it may just be the overall stuff 176 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 5: and leaving stuff in the middle of the plate. 177 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Who know, But yeah, I agree with you. 178 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: As far as accountability is concerned, I mean, he's super 179 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 5: accountable and you feel for him, but they're gonna have 180 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 5: to get better production out of him because they just 181 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: put too much pressure on their bullpen, especially when you're 182 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: pitching in the second game of a double headers. 183 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: As it was it turned out yesterday. 184 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: And it was clear. 185 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 4: It was clear Ruben Todd that Rob was banking on 186 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: Aaronola to have a good one because he used all 187 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: his leverage guys in the first leverage bullpen guys is 188 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: top guys in the first game to nail that baby down, 189 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: and you know what, you gotta win the game at hand. 190 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 4: He uses leverage guys and he wasn't gonna use them 191 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: in game two. 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I got a stack of them on 234 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: my desk right here where you live. 235 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 3: A couple. 236 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes you do, Yes you do. 237 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: But let's okay. 238 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: So let's finish the thought on timon Walker because that 239 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: was the thing I think that a lot of frustrated 240 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: a lot of Phillies fans on Wednesday night, and I 241 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: get it. So in the third inning, when Aaron Nola 242 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: is getting hit around, I said to myself, this is 243 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: I mean time, we're not long before we see Tywan Walker. 244 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: Game we are not long. Well, Aaron Nola goes out, 245 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: starts the fourth inning and gives up a home run 246 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: I think it was to Mason Win to start the fourth, 247 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: give up a home run to start the fourth, and 248 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: then two more runs score tit Tanner Banks finally comes in, 249 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: finishes the inning, pitches the fifth, and then Taiwan Walker 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: comes in. Didn't totally like blow me away that Aaron 251 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: Nola started the fourth, Jim, because, like you said, they 252 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: use their high leverage guys in game one, and I'm 253 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: sitting there going, all right, they really need to push 254 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: Nola because now if they get into a a one 255 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: run situation, they have a two run lead, they really 256 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: have to kind of manage how they're going to work this. 257 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: But were you guys surprised that Aaron Nola started the 258 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: fourth I'm guessing Jim, you're not, Ruben. Were you surprised? 259 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: Do you think he should have been out of that 260 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: game after that third inning when he got knocked around pretty. 261 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 5: Hard under normal circumstances, Yes, under these circumstances back end 262 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: of the doubleheader. No, just because of what you said Todd. 263 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I think they're just trying to get him 264 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: to get through as many innings as possible. Maybe you 265 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 5: have a quick inning and grab another inning, because he 266 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: knew at some point he was going to get Taiwan 267 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 5: Walker in there, didn't want to get in there early 268 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 5: so early it was sort of like the same situation. 269 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: I think they wanted to try to get. 270 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 5: Him that three inning save or get him three innings, 271 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 5: get him seven eight nine or at least six seven eight. 272 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 5: And I think that's the reason why Rob Thompson held 273 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 5: on that long. He's really kind of saved the rest 274 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 5: of his bullpen and to not put guys in, you know, 275 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 5: in danger number one and guys in the situations where 276 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 5: they weren't prepared. 277 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: To do physically. 278 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 5: So I think he was just trying to let Nola 279 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: eat some more innings and unfortunately he just couldn't get 280 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: through it. 281 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he just got bashed around. 282 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: I thought it was all about the double Hunter. 283 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: You gotta gotta try to get some innings because you 284 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: played two games one day. I know you had an 285 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: off day coming and Nola someone at his troubles are 286 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: that one inning and maybe in the back of Rob's mind. 287 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, we got that out of the way. 288 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna see if I can get him having eleven 289 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 4: pitch inning. And it didn't happen. They were they were 290 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: sniffing out everything he was throwing. 291 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rob Rob said before Game one, he said, 292 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: I as he was talking looking ahead at the double 293 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: header throughout the day, he says, I will not use 294 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: a guy in back to back games and a double headers. 295 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: So if you take him at his word, that means 296 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: he didn't have Romano available. He didn't have Kirkering available. 297 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: You know, Alvarado didn't didn't pitch a full inning, but 298 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: maybe maybe he wasn't available as well. So now you're 299 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: looking at the rest of the bullpen. You're going, if 300 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: there's a if there's a lead, a tight game, maybe 301 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker, Matt Strom, and then you're you know, you're 302 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: looking at you know, Carlos Hernandez, and so makes it 303 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 2: makes sense. 304 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: Just Todd just to shift gears Ron Kirkering. Is he 305 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: getting it together here a little bit? But I mean 306 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: that was a big I mean, hey, they did they split, 307 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: they didn't win the series, but they got a nice 308 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: win in Game one. 309 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: Lozardo another good one. They win when he takes the hill, 310 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: but Kirkering another good job. 311 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt I feel like that was a big 312 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: one for Kirkering because you know, coming into the season, 313 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: there were so many high expectations on him and he 314 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: I just felt he's been so inconsistent and so uneven. 315 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: Uh the first maybe month month of the season, you know, 316 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: five weeks of the season. I think he was had 317 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: like a four and a half VRA. I think he 318 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: entered Wednesday with the four and a half EVRA. But 319 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: he was kind of scuffling in his last now six appearances. 320 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: Actually he's get allowed one run in five and a 321 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: third inning. So man, if that's if he is kind 322 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: of figuring some stuff out, that is so so big. 323 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: So a couple of things going back about Kirkering. 324 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 5: What was the most excited exciting part about what Kirkring brought? 325 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 5: What do you guys think I was the most fired 326 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: up about when he was finished with his job yesterday. 327 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: They padded him on the fanny. He did his job. 328 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. For really, forget it. 329 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: That's why I came out of my seat. 330 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 5: I came out of my seat on the last pitch 331 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 5: of the sequence when he threw a ninety seven mile 332 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: an hour fastball to freeze somebody. And he's got to 333 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: be able to throw that fastball command it. Because he 334 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 5: throws ninety seven. He throws ninety eight at times, he 335 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 5: can sink the ball, he can. 336 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Run the ball. That's gigantic for him. He has to 337 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: set up. 338 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: That slide or sweep or whatever it is with a 339 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 5: commanded fastball. 340 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: And it's it was in a lot of ways. 341 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 5: I think it was ingenious by Rob Thompson to drop 342 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 5: him down and for a while after he struggled, put 343 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: him in the sixth inning, put him in the fifth inning, 344 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 5: put him early in the game. 345 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: To get his act together, to get. 346 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 5: His confidence back, to get that fastball to be commanded better. 347 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 5: And when he started pitching better, then he drifted and 348 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: started to drift back into more leverage situations. And yesterday 349 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 5: was a huge leverage situation that he brought him in 350 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 5: because he was at the height of his confidence and 351 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 5: ability to throw that fastball. And I think that's the 352 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: beauty of what Rob Thompson could bring to the table. 353 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: That's a subtle thing, but it's a big one. 354 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 5: Is that he put the kid in a position to 355 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 5: be ready to handle that spot, and he came through 356 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 5: for him, And hopefully that elevates him as far as 357 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 5: his overall confidence number One into his role in that 358 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 5: sity situation, because it's a big one and he's important, 359 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: and he's got. 360 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: The stuff to do it, and I think he's got 361 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: the gumption to do it. The the issue is he's 362 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: got to command that fastball. 363 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 5: He doesn't do that consistently, then he's not going to 364 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 5: be able to do it. 365 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 4: I think he's gonna When you say fast you're talking 366 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 4: to four steamer, because I think that sinker. 367 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 5: Is I'm talking about both these both man, he's got 368 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 5: to be able to throw that. He threw some sinkers 369 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 5: and through some four steamers. The sinker is a huge 370 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 5: one point because. 371 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: You've got to get something going the other way. Yeah, 372 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: he's got that. 373 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Ye're right on it, Jim, He's got to he's got 374 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: to be able to split it. 375 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 4: Two nights earlier, his last the last batter he faced 376 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: opening game against the Cardinals, he threw a sinker in 377 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: on the right hander and it was like ninety five 378 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 4: change and then he went with the slider sweeper away 379 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 4: ninety five and change. It was like two different ways, 380 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: and you're like and they were both down and You're like, okay, 381 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: so yeah, and I agree with you. 382 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 3: He's got I think he's got the. 383 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: Gumption, he's got some as they say, some gravel in 384 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: his gut. He's got a lot of good ingredients to 385 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 4: pitch at the end of games if he can ascend there, 386 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 4: build on this little run he's on. You really got 387 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: something that said. I still want him to go out 388 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 4: and strengthen the back of that bullpen and create a 389 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 4: powerhouse bullpen. 390 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Oh, of course, absolutely, I love to have it. 391 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 5: The fact that what I see from Matt Strom, who 392 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 5: was just incredible last year, doesn't have the same finish 393 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 5: on his pitches, doesn't you know. You can see that 394 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 5: his I think is the losses maybe half a mile 395 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 5: or two or a mile down just a tick and 396 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 5: he's got great finish usually not, but doesn't have the 397 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 5: same sort of dominant. 398 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: Fastball excuse me that he's had in the past. 399 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: And and I'm wondering whether he's gonna end up getting 400 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: it back. 401 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: So you're gonna need man, I'd. 402 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: Love to have another arm back there, especially especially since 403 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 5: Romano's Romanos and you know throw the ball real well, 404 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 5: we can talk about him too. 405 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's actually, let's let's talk about Romano right after 406 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: these words. 407 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 6: Hey ftfam Hello Fresh as America's number one meal kit 408 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 6: cam because we're busy and we would like all of 409 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 6: the ingredients to cook up something nice and make us 410 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 6: look like elite chefs at home. 411 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: You know what I do. 412 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 8: I've got kids in basketball, I've got soccer, I've got 413 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 8: best I've got baseball, And when they get home, there's 414 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 8: a fresh meal and they think, oh Dad, he's so great. 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He strikes 434 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: out of Von Herrera swinging on a two to two slider, 435 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: Nolan Gorman's swinging on a one to two fastball, and 436 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: he finishes the game striking out Alec Burleson swinging on 437 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: an O two slider. Jordan Romano last six appearances. Remember 438 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: what we were talking about Jordan Romano about a month ago. 439 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: His last six appearances three innings, all right, I'm sorry. 440 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: Six innings, three hits allowed, no runs, no walks, eight strikeouts, 441 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: three saves. If Kokering and Romano are getting going, man, 442 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: that's that kind of changes a lot. How you're looking 443 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: about this, how you feel about this. 444 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 4: You're seeing confidence build. Sometimes it takes a little time. 445 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: I was thinking about this, and I've thought about this 446 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 4: a lot. 447 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: Over the years. 448 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: You ask guys like O'Ryan Kirkering and Jordan Romando to 449 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: get really big outs and games, important outs in the 450 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 4: final six eight outs of the game in that pocket, 451 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: and they report to spring training with the rest of 452 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: the team, and sometimes they get to like they're getting 453 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: huge important outs. They're getting in like the fewest innings 454 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: in spring training. I know they're getting their bullpen work. 455 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 4: I know they can do live VP backfield. I don't 456 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: think it's the same. Oh yeah, it ain't close to 457 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 4: the same. And I just wonder, and it's a fine line. 458 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 4: You don't want to get them too much in spring 459 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: training because you want to keep them strong for the 460 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: long haul. But I just wonder if a lot of 461 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: times some of these leverage guys, not all of them, 462 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: because we see guys coming out firing and doing really 463 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: well alvar but sometimes it takes relievers a little longer, 464 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: certain relievers a little longer to get ready coming out 465 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 4: of spring training because the intensity of the workload is 466 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: just not there. 467 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: And let's just talk about it. 468 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 5: It's baseball, and it's not just baseball, but it's baseball. 469 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 5: Go through different pockets of confidence and talent and success, 470 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 5: and so sometimes you're just not on. 471 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: Your game where you don't feel comfortable. 472 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 5: I mean, when you're at the plate and you're feeling 473 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 5: good and you're seeing the ball, it doesn't matter. The 474 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 5: guy can throw the nastiest split and the filthiest cutters. 475 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: In the world, and I can get my barrel to it. 476 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 5: But when I'm not and I'm thinking about things and 477 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 5: I'm not feeling comfortable and confident, I just can't. It's 478 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 5: just like the same way you feel fluid and relaxed 479 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 5: when you're on the mound and you're fired. 480 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: If you're not confident about your stuff, it ain't going 481 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: to happen. 482 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: And sometimes it takes a little time for In Romano's case, 483 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 5: I think he's mechanics. I think that he was tipping 484 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 5: some pitches. There was a bunch of things going on. 485 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: He wasn't quite ready for the season, hitting on all cylinders. 486 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: He was in a new environment, all different types of 487 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: stuff going on. For Kirkering, it's a new role now. 488 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 5: All of a sudden, they're counting on him. Okay, he 489 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: was in the sixth and seventh. He was important, but 490 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 5: not that important. Now he becomes more important now, the 491 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 5: responsibility is different. I watch and I think Kirkering and 492 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 5: I think of Ryan Matson and I think of how 493 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 5: Ryan Matson sort of developed and got He started off 494 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 5: as a starter at Kirkering was always a reliever, but 495 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: you know, Matson becomes goes from starter to the bullpen 496 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 5: and then two or three years later is when Matson 497 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: really came forward. I mean, Ryan Madson was doing like 498 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 5: a ninety four to ninety five mile an hour. 499 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Fastball when he first started in a bullpen. 500 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: Well, by the time he became Ryan Matson for the 501 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: Phillies and we won the World Series, the man was 502 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 5: throwing ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight because he was confident. 503 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: He was fluid, he leading his stuff. 504 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 5: There's a whole different demeanor once you start having confidence 505 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 5: in that role. And I feel like kirkeram can get 506 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 5: there and be that guy, but it just takes some time. 507 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: Look at when the eight team took off, I think 508 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: there was it was mid mid mid August, and it 509 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 4: coincided with Ryan Madison taking off, and all of a 510 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: sudden they had an incredible two headed monster in that bullpen. 511 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: It was game over. 512 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 5: So jac Romero was dealing and uh, you know he 513 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 5: was he was feeling confident, he had lost his confidence 514 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 5: when he was pitching in with the Angels in Boston 515 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: and whatever, and then he started gaining confidence and so 516 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: did Madson and was you know, and. 517 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: Just like off off the hook. 518 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: Well, Ruby, last night yesterday on X you mentioned that 519 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: the you thought Romano slider had some fellow a little legit. 520 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was the shape of it, or what it was, 521 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: the shape of it, I mean the swing and the miss. 522 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean they were missing that slider by like this much. Yeah, 523 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean they were missing it by a lot. 524 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 5: And so that means to me that it's got the 525 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 5: kind of depth and it has the kind of deception 526 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 5: because he was throwing that rising fastball, which he does 527 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 5: and which he did when he was closing for Toronto 528 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 5: and having success, and then backing it up with the 529 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 5: spin on that slider, that slider, And I don't know 530 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 5: the numbers, and I don't have the numbers. I don't 531 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 5: even know if they have the numbers back then when 532 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 5: LYDG was throwing it. But that was a very similar 533 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 5: shape to the slider. It was literally a twelve sixer. 534 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 5: So sliders typically go what eleven five or ten four 535 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 5: or whatever you want to and that kind of an angle. 536 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: This was going what you means straight down, man, and 537 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 5: you cannot as a hitter. 538 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I always felt like the curveball was the 539 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: toughest pish. 540 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 5: For me because because of the plane that it goes through, 541 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: like the twelve sixth plane, you know, Greg Olson's curveball, 542 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 5: I couldn't hit, no chance. And I couldn't hit Drebeck's 543 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 5: breaking ball, the older dre back because their breaking ball 544 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 5: was a spin down. 545 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: That's the toughest one to hit because it's it's cutting 546 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: straight down the plane. 547 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 5: And uh and I really felt like that's what I 548 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 5: saw in Romano slider. Don't know if he's gonna do 549 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 5: it every time out, but if he does, holy smokes. 550 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 4: I mean everybody used to think Lynch's slider was a 551 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 4: hard splitter because it was that late boom, but it 552 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 4: was it was a slider. It was a tight, you know, 553 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 4: downward break, and it was really one of the most 554 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 4: unique sliders in the game, right there with c C. 555 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: Sabathia and Java Chamberlain had a slider like that too. 556 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 3: It didn't it. 557 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: Didn't go lateral, it went down. You're looking at it, 558 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: but he's a slide. Brad Lynch incredibly strong forearms. You 559 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: could torqu that ball man, and if if, if, if 560 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 4: Romano wants to start doing that regularly. 561 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: That's the that's the shape I saw. 562 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that's. 563 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: Love. 564 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: That pitch one of the most really honestly. 565 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 5: One of the most dominant pitches in the game, one 566 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 5: of the most fas you could tell people who was 567 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 5: coming and you could not hit it. 568 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 4: One of the most honestly, when you think about the 569 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: history of this ball club, one of the most famous 570 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 4: pitches in the history and important pitches in the history 571 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 4: of this ball club, right right there with Carlton's back 572 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: foot slider. I'm telling you because they won a World Series. 573 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: You know, he was one of the pillars of the 574 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 4: team that won the World Series, you know, and it 575 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 4: was you know, that pitch was so important to his 576 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 4: forty eight for forty eight season, no doubt. 577 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: Kind of a behind the scenes thing. So after Game one, 578 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: we're down in the postgame press conference and I asked 579 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson and I say, do you see Romano's confidence growing, 580 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, kind of connauing to kind of grow over 581 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: the last few And he says, I'm going to tell 582 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: you something. People say this front office didn't make any moves. Well, 583 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: that was a huge move for this ball club. You know, 584 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: he's getting better and better his his his fastball, his slider, 585 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: his change up, and he said a couple of other things. 586 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there going on, oh crap, is this 587 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: guy throwing it? Romano doesn't throw it throw a change up. 588 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: He misheard me, he thought he he thought I said, Lizardo. 589 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: So you're gonna see some quotes out there. 590 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 9: I'm going, Wow, this is a bold comment from Rob. 591 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 9: He must be really fired up about Jordan Romano. And 592 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 9: then I realized that he misheard me, Lizardo Romano. So 593 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 9: if you see any quotes today of Rob saying saying 594 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 9: this really bold comment in regards to Jordan Romano, he 595 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 9: misheard me. 596 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 4: I think I think he knows that the opposing team, 597 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: they read your stories, Todd, and he's trying to put. 598 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 3: That in the back of their mind, that this guy's 599 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: now throwing a change up. 600 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: Change But I was sitting there, I didn't really hear 601 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: anything after that, sing going what Romano change up? Anyway? 602 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Goes? 603 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 10: I think he misheard you because he doesn't throw a 604 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 10: change up like Okay, Oh, thank God, I thought I 605 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 10: was an idiot along those lines. 606 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 5: I mean, I actually posted that and sarcastically, well, but 607 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 5: they ran it back and I posted I got trolled 608 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: for it. But the reality of it is this, when 609 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 5: you add a player like Lizardo and potentially a closer 610 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 5: in a guy like Romano who can do some things 611 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 5: that are pretty special, think about that what that does 612 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 5: for your team. 613 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm just talking overall. 614 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: You talk about twenty percent of your rotation, okay, twenty 615 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 5: percent of your games, and in the quality of a 616 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 5: guy like Lozardo Okay, I don't know how many quality 617 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: starts you're gonna end up with. He's probably gonna have 618 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 5: like eighteen to twenty two. But you have that, and 619 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 5: then you you know, you couple that with a guy 620 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 5: like Romano who could end up you know, getting twenty 621 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 5: to five to you know, thirty saves, however it works out, 622 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 5: but whatever, an effective guy that helps you win baseball games. 623 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: Then you're not running it back. That's not running it back. 624 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 11: And people say, well, you run well, the lineup is 625 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 11: very similar, yes, and you have a different left fielder, 626 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 11: but you're not necessarily running it back. And that's what 627 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 11: sort of frustrates me as an x G that Yes, 628 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 11: I mean, did they want to make some moves. 629 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: At third base? Did then we do some X, Y 630 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: and Z. Well it didn't, It didn't pan out and 631 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: didn't happen. But they didn't bring back the same exact team. 632 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. 633 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: I think just a lot of people just had no 634 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: idea how good Lozardo was because they hadn't they've maybe 635 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: seen him pitch what three times against the Phillies. I 636 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: don't know how many times he faced the Phillies in 637 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: his career, but probably wasn't a lot. I know he 638 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: pitched for the Marlins. I know he pitched against them, 639 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: opened up the Wildcard Series a couple of years ago. 640 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: But you don't see guy pitch a lot. You see 641 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 2: the numbers. Yeah, but he didn't have a great record 642 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: with the Marlins. He had a you know, he had 643 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: was like eleven and eleven that year when he pitched. Well, 644 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean you go, like, eah, is this kindny good? Well, 645 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: he's been really really good. 646 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: Really good. And he when he's healthy, he's really good. 647 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, really good. 648 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like top fifteen starters good. 649 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: And this yeah, and that sweeper has really he's skyrocketed. 650 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: I mean, what a great what a great addition to 651 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: his repertoire. I mean, that's really he's been justum and. 652 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 5: A credit to their staff for helping him through it, 653 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 5: you know, give Gothip and others. 654 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I like the guy fantastic. So a couple 655 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: things were on wrap up. Kyle Schwarber's on base streak 656 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: ended in game two forty seven game on base streak 657 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: did not get on or I'm sorry after game one 658 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: and it did not get on base in game one. 659 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention this. I looked this up 660 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: the last so then he Homer's in game two. 661 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he's going again. 662 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: He has maybe started in a new street. The last 663 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: time Kyle Schwarber has not gotten on base in two 664 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: or more consecutive games July twenty second, July twenty third 665 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: of last season. That's crazy, that is crazy. That's crazy. 666 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's also the reason why he was leading off. 667 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just wild to me. So I wanted 668 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: to mention that the the Pittsburgh Pirates come to town 669 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: on Friday, you might run I'll run through the pitching 670 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: matchups real quick. Uh, Friday night six forty five, Rangers, Suarez, 671 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: Andrew Haney, Saturday six so five, Zach Wheeler, Carmen Midzinski. 672 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: I should know this. That sounds like Midzinsky's m Yeah. Yeah. 673 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: And then Sunday is Christopher Sanchez versus Paul Schiens here 674 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: the Skiener. The Skiiner will be out there on on 675 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: on Sunday afternoons. 676 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: So there. 677 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. That's a great question. It's 678 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: not too far from the fill. 679 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Check out the restaurants here. 680 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 681 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, maybe a little better scene than Pittsburgh. No offense, 682 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: no offense, no event. But guys, we'll be back. We 683 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: got another show coming on Friday. If you want to 684 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: ask us a question, throw it in the comments section 685 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: on YouTube, throw it in the comments section on x, Instagram, anywhere, 686 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: and we will try to get some questions on Friday. 687 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: And that's I guess. I'll see you guys tomorrow then 688 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 2: on Friday. 689 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: Right looking forward to it, and for now, I will 690 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: smell you later, your Jim. 691 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 10: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 692 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 10: Territory Network. 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