1
00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:11,600
Speaker 1: As a lead fifteen to ten touchdown. So what's up, guys.

2
00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,720
Speaker 1: Welcome into Charges Weekly, the final one before training camp.

3
00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,720
Speaker 1: We are six days away as always, joined by Matt

4
00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,919
Speaker 1: Money Smith Mondy mid July. NFL content is tough. People

5
00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,520
Speaker 1: are really really stretching it. We have Madden ratings, we

6
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,360
Speaker 1: have bench start cut, you know, all these things that

7
00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,239
Speaker 1: have nothing to do really with football, and that's all

8
00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna go away next week.

9
00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,160
Speaker 2: It is. We're less than a week away as we

10
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,160
Speaker 2: record this on a Thursday Wednesday, we'll be out there.

11
00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,839
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremi actually gonna fill in for Petros because he

12
00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,320
Speaker 2: is out at Media Days and DJ and No I'll

13
00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,080
Speaker 2: be doing the show one from nine to noon live

14
00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,919
Speaker 2: from training camp. So I'm guessing we'll get a lot

15
00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,920
Speaker 2: of folks out there, and then I know you and

16
00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 2: I gonna do the pod right after that, so probably

17
00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,920
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of folks as well. And this

18
00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,600
Speaker 2: is our last installment a Chargers Weekly, where some would

19
00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 2: say we're vamping, we're struggling to find content, but I

20
00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,600
Speaker 2: feel like it's been a good run. We've addressed a

21
00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,279
Speaker 2: lot of things. Today It's gonna be fun because clearly

22
00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a little training camp primer, little roster

23
00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,240
Speaker 2: primer here for the people.

24
00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you know, we were in front

25
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,320
Speaker 1: of a few things. You know, this running back thing

26
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,520
Speaker 1: is really blown up this week because the franchise was

27
00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,280
Speaker 1: take on Barkley and Josh Jacobs. Austin's been more vocal

28
00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 1: about it. So you know we were on this, you know,

29
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,920
Speaker 1: about a month or two ago with with Austin situation.

30
00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,959
Speaker 1: And you know week four circle that against the Raiders.

31
00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,880
Speaker 1: Is Josh Jacobs even going to be a Raider or

32
00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,160
Speaker 1: is even going to be on the field.

33
00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,679
Speaker 2: To me, yes, they're all going to be on the

34
00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 2: field as a running back. And you know, all of

35
00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,080
Speaker 2: this coincides and dovetails with Lev Bell saying he should

36
00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,000
Speaker 2: have never sat out the year because you learn quickly

37
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,360
Speaker 2: that it's it's unforgiving. It is and for whatever reason,

38
00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,080
Speaker 2: the financial dynamics surrounding this particular position right now are

39
00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,520
Speaker 2: not to And I get it. I understand why they're upset.

40
00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,840
Speaker 2: If you're Josh Jacobs, You're only twenty five years old.

41
00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,120
Speaker 2: You'd just led the league in rushing with double digit touchdowns,

42
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,720
Speaker 2: and the offense did not have a lot else going

43
00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,680
Speaker 2: and you're seeing DeVante Adams making nearly three times what

44
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560
Speaker 2: you're making. And I understand, but sitting out games is

45
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,440
Speaker 2: not the answer. Now, they can sit out all of

46
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,000
Speaker 2: training camp because they haven't signed their franchise tag yet

47
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,679
Speaker 2: and not have any penalties. But the idea that you

48
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,320
Speaker 2: would walk away from a one year, ten almost eleven

49
00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 2: million dollar check, to me, just doesn't It doesn't jibe.

50
00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000
Speaker 2: If I'm Josh Jacobs, I go out there, I bust

51
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,480
Speaker 2: my tail, I try to put up another year like

52
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,680
Speaker 2: I did last year, and they'll be a ten million

53
00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,400
Speaker 2: dollar a year offer for you out there come next season,

54
00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 2: and you can go wherever you want because the Raiders

55
00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,960
Speaker 2: aren't going to franchise you a second time. So I

56
00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,200
Speaker 2: suspect he'll be out there. It does appear as though

57
00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,359
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out if they have any sort

58
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,400
Speaker 2: of leverage, and unfortunately for them, I just think the

59
00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,160
Speaker 2: answer is no. You know, the NFL has decided that

60
00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,560
Speaker 2: premium positions are edge rusher, offensive tackle, quarterback, wide receiver,

61
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm sure Travis Kelcey and George Kittle

62
00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920
Speaker 2: have and Mark Andrews have the same sort of complaints

63
00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,560
Speaker 2: that they're making half of what the top flight wide

64
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,119
Speaker 2: receivers are, and they're putting up better numbers, and they're

65
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 2: more important because they can block. You know, in the

66
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,799
Speaker 2: case of George Kittle, you busting his tail blocking guys

67
00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,200
Speaker 2: when he's not catching passes. So we're always going to

68
00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000
Speaker 2: have it. I feel like a big part of it, too, Chris,

69
00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,839
Speaker 2: is that the media has really seized upon it and

70
00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,960
Speaker 2: has has chosen to make this a story beyond the

71
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,080
Speaker 2: displeasure of the players themselves. And so it's and look,

72
00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,480
Speaker 2: it's not going away. It's going to be a major

73
00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,960
Speaker 2: story through camp because Saquon's not going to report. We'll

74
00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,000
Speaker 2: see Tony Pollard seems to be fine, he signed his

75
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,119
Speaker 2: franchise tag, and it sounds like Josh Jacob isn't gonna report.

76
00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,520
Speaker 2: So it's going to carry through training camp.

77
00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,520
Speaker 1: It's not fruitful to not take the money. Take the money,

78
00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,960
Speaker 1: and then you table this to next year, and that's

79
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 1: when you talk to your un and you figure out

80
00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,800
Speaker 1: what can be done at that running back position at

81
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800
Speaker 1: some point in the next CBA. You know, I think

82
00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,360
Speaker 1: Zeke did it best and I saw this somebody wrote

83
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,280
Speaker 1: this that he held out after his sat third year

84
00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,800
Speaker 1: and right, that's how you have to do it. Now,

85
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,360
Speaker 1: if you want to get paid his running back, you're

86
00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,880
Speaker 1: going to have to be on the offensive and get

87
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,359
Speaker 1: and hold out early in your the first contract that

88
00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,440
Speaker 1: you have if you want to get any swell payday.

89
00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,240
Speaker 2: And I think for the people that are directing their

90
00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 2: ire and displeasure at ownership or front offices, general managers,

91
00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,040
Speaker 2: whomever like, don't forget that contract for Zeke did not work.

92
00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,120
Speaker 2: These contracts rarely work out by the time they get

93
00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,320
Speaker 2: paid and are rewarded for their production. Rarely. You know,

94
00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,880
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is an anomaly that his contract has been able,

95
00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,920
Speaker 2: and you could even argue last year not great. So

96
00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,839
Speaker 2: it's that's the problem is history and precedent is not

97
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,200
Speaker 2: on their side. These contracts rarely work. Christian McCaffrey's a

98
00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,040
Speaker 2: unicorn because of what he can do in the receiving

99
00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,919
Speaker 2: game and how important he is Toyle. He's almost more

100
00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,840
Speaker 2: important to kast Shanahan than a quarterback. So there's it's

101
00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,840
Speaker 2: a little ridiculous to say that, but you could make

102
00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040
Speaker 2: the case of all the quarterbacks of Kyle's been able

103
00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,440
Speaker 2: to plug into his system. They all work, you know,

104
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,600
Speaker 2: by brock Perty mister irrelevant worked went eight to zero

105
00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,679
Speaker 2: in the regular season because a lot of the production

106
00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,960
Speaker 2: came from Christian McCaffrey. So don't forget that. And then

107
00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:34,160
Speaker 2: the other thing I would say is just always keep

108
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 2: in perspective what the generations before you did to afford

109
00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,559
Speaker 2: you this lifestyle. You know you're going to make ten million,

110
00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, Austin Eckler got a four year, twenty six

111
00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,200
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. Walter Payton never made more than two

112
00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,800
Speaker 2: million bucks in a year. He's the highest paid player

113
00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,320
Speaker 2: in the league at eight hundred grand a season at

114
00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,200
Speaker 2: one point, and he's in the conversation as the greatest

115
00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,760
Speaker 2: football player in the history of the game when you

116
00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,520
Speaker 2: think about all the things he was able to do

117
00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,799
Speaker 2: at that particular position. So I think it's important to

118
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,040
Speaker 2: figure out all of the hundreds of millions of dollars

119
00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,600
Speaker 2: that these teams are making and how it's being divvied up,

120
00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,880
Speaker 2: and hoping that these guys that when you're Josh Jacobs

121
00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,920
Speaker 2: and you got three hundred and forty touches, and even

122
00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,279
Speaker 2: when you don't touch the ball, you're expected to pass

123
00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 2: pro and pick up You know, a linebacker that's flying

124
00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,800
Speaker 2: at your neck. Yeah, they deserve to be compensated. But

125
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,680
Speaker 2: ten million bucks, ten point three million dollars, whatever it

126
00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,200
Speaker 2: is for a single season, take the money man, cash

127
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,800
Speaker 2: that check and take it from from Mark Davis and

128
00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,000
Speaker 2: the Raiders and go play some football and then hopefully

129
00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,800
Speaker 2: next year you can get that deal you're looking for.

130
00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,800
Speaker 1: It's great segue into contracts as a release to the Chargers,

131
00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,320
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll get into the position battles and

132
00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,240
Speaker 1: the depth chart and all that good stuff. But number

133
00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,159
Speaker 1: one question at camp day won is going to be

134
00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880
Speaker 1: justin Herbert's contracts. Tom's gonna get asked that several times,

135
00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,760
Speaker 1: so we'll coach Staley, so we'll justin and we wait. Right.

136
00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,680
Speaker 1: It's it's really both he and Burrow that are kind

137
00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,839
Speaker 1: of angling to see who's gonna get that first contract.

138
00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,360
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the other doesn't want the first contract right

139
00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,760
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more. But this is gonna

140
00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,680
Speaker 1: be the hot topic of camp money. Is Jessica Herbert

141
00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 1: going to be locked in for the long time? We

142
00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 1: know he's going to be. It's just a matter of one.

143
00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,160
Speaker 2: I think for Look, I'm hopeful that it gets done

144
00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,200
Speaker 2: before Wednesday. I'm I don't know whether or not that'll

145
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,520
Speaker 2: be the case. As much as we love Justin and

146
00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,480
Speaker 2: believe he's got a chance to be the best player

147
00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,560
Speaker 2: in the league. And I don't say that because we're

148
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,760
Speaker 2: doing you know, Chargers Weekly and and you know I'm

149
00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,440
Speaker 2: able to do the play by play for the Chargers.

150
00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,080
Speaker 2: He's he's at one point in his career going to

151
00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,680
Speaker 2: be the best player in the league. I believe that.

152
00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,520
Speaker 2: But the idea that he's going to get a bigger

153
00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,720
Speaker 2: contract than Joe Burrow right now, it just doesn't line up.

154
00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, Burrow's been to a Super Bowl, Burrow's been

155
00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,480
Speaker 2: to multiple AFC Championship games. The numbers are similar, if not,

156
00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, maybe better last year for Joe. So I

157
00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 2: think the idea that you would wait so you can

158
00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 2: top Burrow's number just doesn't jibe. And I know agents

159
00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 2: people forget it's not just the player, it's the agent,

160
00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960
Speaker 2: and the agent wants to get the historic contract to

161
00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,160
Speaker 2: show to Drake May and Caleb Williams and whomever's coming

162
00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,040
Speaker 2: out next year. Hey look what I got for her.

163
00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,120
Speaker 2: I got Herbert more than Burrow. You want to sign

164
00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,440
Speaker 2: with me, you know, so I'm your guy, And that's

165
00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,040
Speaker 2: something to remember. I would love for the Chargers to

166
00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:34,200
Speaker 2: just hopefully it's not egregious and unreasonable, and there's something

167
00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,240
Speaker 2: in line with Jalen Hurts, who just went to a

168
00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and finished second in the MVP voting, that

169
00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,959
Speaker 2: they can get this thing done. The longer you wait,

170
00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,160
Speaker 2: the more expensive it's going to be. What do you want?

171
00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,160
Speaker 2: It's hopefully right and step you know, here's what Jalen got.

172
00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,040
Speaker 2: Where are you at? And let's get this thing done.

173
00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,520
Speaker 1: It's always been talked about as if it's a formality going.

174
00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,400
Speaker 1: It's a formality. It's going to happen. It's just a

175
00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,679
Speaker 1: matter of when, and you hope it's at the beginning

176
00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,959
Speaker 1: of can so you know, you don't have to talk

177
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760
Speaker 1: about it anymore. You know. I give Tom and Austin

178
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,800
Speaker 1: credit for getting this thing done before Mini camp, you know,

179
00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,920
Speaker 1: so there's no issues and there's no questions about contracts

180
00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,199
Speaker 1: and late July as opposed to just playing ball before

181
00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,320
Speaker 1: we get into some of the on field stuff. Money.

182
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,760
Speaker 1: We love Karen from Diehard Bowl Club, she heard you

183
00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,439
Speaker 1: about the Navy T shirts last year. She heard that

184
00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,600
Speaker 1: it was a little too hot. Cook.

185
00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,280
Speaker 2: We love the Diehard ball clubs.

186
00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,680
Speaker 1: So they they went ahead and ordered the dark blue anyway,

187
00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,360
Speaker 1: but they ordered two for us. She calls them VIPs

188
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,360
Speaker 1: light blue, light blue. So we're gonna get too, Karen.

189
00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,800
Speaker 1: iHeart Bolk Club T shirts next Wednesday. Karen is the best.

190
00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,600
Speaker 2: Yes, appreciate you. Karen loves sports on Twitter. Yes, and

191
00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,760
Speaker 2: I think Instagram as well. Same thing. Appreciate her, But

192
00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,400
Speaker 2: how about take care of your people as well. You

193
00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,600
Speaker 2: guys are out there every day. You're looking at Jack

194
00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,240
Speaker 2: Hammond as wall.

195
00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 1: Listen. They mustn't like the Navy. I want some white.

196
00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240
Speaker 1: They must like the Navy.

197
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 2: And perhaps it's because I am not partial to the

198
00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,839
Speaker 2: Navy uniforms. We've been through that here. I know the

199
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,280
Speaker 2: players like them, I know the diehard Bolk Club loves it,

200
00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,080
Speaker 2: but I am not a Navy guy. I believe the Chargers.

201
00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,480
Speaker 2: I've said it, you know, and it's a very unpopular opinion,

202
00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,000
Speaker 2: but the best shade of blue for the Chargers is

203
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,120
Speaker 2: Royal blue. I have long held that it's you know,

204
00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,200
Speaker 2: age and frame of reference of course play into all

205
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,400
Speaker 2: these things when it comes to nostalgia, but just that

206
00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,319
Speaker 2: Dan Fouts era late seventies early eighties of Chargers football

207
00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,560
Speaker 2: and Air coriol and just the most exciting offense on

208
00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 2: the grid iron is what did it for me. So

209
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,520
Speaker 2: to see the Royals is what really gets me moving.

210
00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,640
Speaker 2: But of course the Powders you can't beat. So thank you, Karen,

211
00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,240
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I will wear it proudly.

212
00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 1: The catalog is excellent, right, and I get you know,

213
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,600
Speaker 1: the fans who grew up with Philip Rivers and lt

214
00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,200
Speaker 1: and Gates with those and the Navy. Hell, the Super

215
00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,960
Speaker 1: Bowl team, that six team that was probably the best

216
00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,439
Speaker 1: team in football. They should have won a Super Bowl,

217
00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 1: So everybody can kind of harken back to the time

218
00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,640
Speaker 1: where they kind of fell in love with the Chargers.

219
00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,480
Speaker 1: So I respect all the Navy, the Navy fans, but

220
00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,720
Speaker 1: the Chargers got it all. You know, the white all

221
00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,160
Speaker 1: white is beautiful, the powder blue you can't beat, and

222
00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 1: then the Royal blue is managers classic. So money, let's uh,

223
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,480
Speaker 1: let's start on the field. Uh, which position battle are

224
00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,040
Speaker 1: you most forward to? Uh? To watching and kind of

225
00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 1: seeing unfold the veterans, like it's fun to see Keenan

226
00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,520
Speaker 1: and Mike and Austin and Justin. But really I think

227
00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,320
Speaker 1: these first two three weeks and really most of camp

228
00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400
Speaker 1: is about like identifying who's going to be the new

229
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,320
Speaker 1: guy to contribute to this team and make a meaningful impact.

230
00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,720
Speaker 2: Well, there's two there's two conversations that we'll have right.

231
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,960
Speaker 2: One is starters, position, battles. The other is roster can

232
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 2: instruction the back end those final two to three spots.

233
00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,760
Speaker 2: So in terms of positions, there isn't much right, there's

234
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,640
Speaker 2: really honestly, there's two that we're talking about. It it's

235
00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,280
Speaker 2: going to be wide receiver three. And who's going to

236
00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 2: be that third corner?

237
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,160
Speaker 1: Is?

238
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,720
Speaker 2: I think under the assumption that J. C. Jackson is healthy,

239
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,680
Speaker 2: that's the question. Is the third corner going to be?

240
00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,839
Speaker 2: And look, there's I don't think enough people are bringing

241
00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,120
Speaker 2: up the idea that JA C. Jackson might play that

242
00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,679
Speaker 2: maybe the slot is his best position because of how

243
00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,880
Speaker 2: big he is, how strong he is, and how important

244
00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,520
Speaker 2: it is to be a good run defender at that

245
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,360
Speaker 2: slot corner spot, you know, and whether or not it

246
00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,600
Speaker 2: makes more sense to have. So there's so many things

247
00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,360
Speaker 2: at play, I'll start there. I'll start with the corner,

248
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,600
Speaker 2: right because everybody is discussing is it John Taylor, is

249
00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,959
Speaker 2: it is Sante Samuel as the slot corner, assuming that

250
00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240
Speaker 2: Jac is going to be healthy and he and Michael

251
00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,400
Speaker 2: Davis are the outside corners. So now, because we saw

252
00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 2: John Taylor on against some teams that ran the ball,

253
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,680
Speaker 2: that were heavy runt Tennessee San Francisco, you saw a

254
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,040
Speaker 2: lot of job out there at slot. Because he's a

255
00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,520
Speaker 2: bigger guy, he tacked. He's probably the better run defender

256
00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,320
Speaker 2: than a Sante Samuel, certainly not the better cover corner,

257
00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,480
Speaker 2: but the better run defender. He played really well on

258
00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 2: the slot against Miami, you know, with the scheme that

259
00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley deployed to try to slow down Jaylen Waddle

260
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,520
Speaker 2: and Tyreek and whomever they were going to put in

261
00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,360
Speaker 2: the slot. So that's why that's been a topic of

262
00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,920
Speaker 2: conversation for a lot of people. And you're probably gonna

263
00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,840
Speaker 2: have a lot of the Jeff Miller, Lindsey theory, Daniel Poppers,

264
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,920
Speaker 2: They're all going to be writing about that in camp.

265
00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,600
Speaker 2: How many snaps did joh get in the slot? How

266
00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,440
Speaker 2: many snaps did as Sante get I think the other

267
00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,000
Speaker 2: thing to keep an eye on is whether or not

268
00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,679
Speaker 2: we're going to see jac Jackson, if he's ready to

269
00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,880
Speaker 2: go from day one, get some inside and you might

270
00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,480
Speaker 2: have Michael Davis, J. C. Jackson in the slot and

271
00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,719
Speaker 2: a Sante Samuel on the outside. So that to me

272
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,920
Speaker 2: is the number one that's the number one battle. It's

273
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,520
Speaker 2: the way that And look, Brandon will tell you nobody

274
00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,920
Speaker 2: plays a specific style of defense anymore. Every every coach

275
00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000
Speaker 2: is going to tell you they're multiple, and that's this

276
00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 2: is four three, and now we're in a three four,

277
00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 2: and now we're in a six to one, and now

278
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,040
Speaker 2: we're wide nines and it's not just umbrella coverage and

279
00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 2: two high safeties. That's just pre snapped the skies and

280
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,240
Speaker 2: before you know what, we got one of those safeties

281
00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 2: in the box and maybe there's six defensive backs out there.

282
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,240
Speaker 2: There's so much of that. I bring that up because

283
00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna be looking for players that can play multiple

284
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,040
Speaker 2: positions and can move post snap and fill in as

285
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,440
Speaker 2: a safety, as a corner, as a run support corner.

286
00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,400
Speaker 2: So all of that's going to come into play. But

287
00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,320
Speaker 2: to me, that's that's even more than the third wide

288
00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,280
Speaker 2: receiver that corner. The way the corner room sorts itself

289
00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 2: out to me, and look, I didn't even mention Derwin

290
00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,440
Speaker 2: in the slot like that. You're gonna see Derwin in

291
00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,440
Speaker 2: the slot as well, and that'll get to the other

292
00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 2: position battle Chris, which is safety. But to me, that's

293
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,120
Speaker 2: the number one and much of it is predicated on

294
00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,440
Speaker 2: the status of JC Jackson and whether or not he's

295
00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,440
Speaker 2: ready to go health wise at the start of training

296
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,240
Speaker 2: camp on Wednesday.

297
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that maybe the number one storyline in

298
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,040
Speaker 1: terms of health, Like is jac Jackson going to be

299
00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,400
Speaker 1: ready to go and practice in late July yet alone?

300
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,120
Speaker 1: Like I know you wouldn't put him in a preseason game,

301
00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,960
Speaker 1: but like, is he medically cleared to go and be

302
00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,760
Speaker 1: ready for Week one against the Miami Dolphins. But we

303
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,760
Speaker 1: forget It's easy to forget because he had a rough

304
00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,400
Speaker 1: start the preseason and started the season had that surgery.

305
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,600
Speaker 1: But he had sixteen interceptions over two seasons with the Patriots,

306
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,040
Speaker 1: like the most in football. Like we regard him as

307
00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,560
Speaker 1: like maybe the best corner in the NFL coming in

308
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,160
Speaker 1: to this administration last year. So if jac can just

309
00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240
Speaker 1: be close to what he was in New England, that's

310
00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna work. Wonders for your secondary and the fact that

311
00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,200
Speaker 1: the job got that run last year as a as

312
00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 1: a late round draft pick, The fact that you can

313
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,640
Speaker 1: move Durwin everywhere. Michael Davis maybe the most underrated corner

314
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The way he played last year was incredible.

315
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, we remember Asante's three interceptions, but you know

316
00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 1: we talked about him going out of that game in

317
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,360
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and how that really hurt the Chargers, but Michael

318
00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 1: Davis was just rock solid all year long. H excuse me,

319
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a transition to safety.

320
00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit that real quick, Chris. I think that's

321
00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,160
Speaker 2: important to remember too, right is you're don't don't get

322
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,840
Speaker 2: fooled by draft status.

323
00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:36,600
Speaker 1: J C.

324
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,000
Speaker 2: Jackson was undrafted, Michael Davis was undrafted. So the idea

325
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,760
Speaker 2: that that a Sante is a second rounder and John

326
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,640
Speaker 2: Taylor is a sixth or fifth or sixth rounder, don't

327
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,960
Speaker 2: don't let that affect what you think is going to

328
00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 2: be the depth chart, because you're talking about the two

329
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,400
Speaker 2: best corners that are solidified and will be starters if

330
00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,560
Speaker 2: they're healthy, or Michael Davis and j. C. Jackson two

331
00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,480
Speaker 2: guys that were undrafted. So don't forget it. Well, you

332
00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,359
Speaker 2: know Sate was the second rounder, John Taylor sixth round.

333
00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,920
Speaker 2: Maybe you know that's that's gonna play. That's gonna play

334
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840
Speaker 2: into it. No, it won't. It won't. The best guys

335
00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,360
Speaker 2: are going to play.

336
00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 1: I feel like DZ is kind of reading our minds here.

337
00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,119
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a shot for either Aj Finley

338
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,879
Speaker 1: or Tyler Baker Williams to supplant the previous UDFA safety

339
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,840
Speaker 1: Raheem Lane. Seems like both guys had good collegiate careers.

340
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 1: He's right, he's going deep, deep, deep into the depth chart.

341
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,119
Speaker 1: But this is this is that example. A guy like

342
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Baker Williams, I think he played at NC State

343
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,240
Speaker 1: played I think I read that he played in the slot,

344
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,000
Speaker 1: played safety. You know, if one of these guys pop

345
00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have another body in the

346
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 1: secondary that you can rely upon special teams, maybe play

347
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 1: that John Taylor role. In twenty twenty three.

348
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be really hard to unseat

349
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,400
Speaker 2: Raheem Lane. He is a coach fick and favorite, And

350
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,400
Speaker 2: the reason he made the team last year is because

351
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,840
Speaker 2: Fick and wanted and thought he was going to be

352
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,479
Speaker 2: one of the best special teams players, and turns out

353
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,880
Speaker 2: he was. It's really good and he is a lot

354
00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,960
Speaker 2: of those things that that was a Devin you said,

355
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 2: who asked the question? Uh, DZ, DZ, Sorry DZ. That

356
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,600
Speaker 2: DZ is bringing up. You know, Lane played both corner

357
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,560
Speaker 2: and safety at IU. Lane was I don't know if

358
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,040
Speaker 2: he was the IU Special Teams Player of the Year

359
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,040
Speaker 2: or the Big Ten Special Teams Player of the year,

360
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 2: one of those two. So that's what you're talking about

361
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,479
Speaker 2: with that spot. When you've got Derwin, J. T. Woods,

362
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,639
Speaker 2: a Loie Gilman that next spot and it's going to

363
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 2: be a battle. The only other player I could see

364
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,959
Speaker 2: is ahead. Remember, there's a reason why Finley went undrafted

365
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,440
Speaker 2: despite the ball production, the sort of the knocks on

366
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,880
Speaker 2: on Finley coming out of Ole Miss were doesn't tackle well, okay, Well,

367
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 2: now you're talking about a safety that with all the

368
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,680
Speaker 2: issues with against the run, someone who why didn't he

369
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,720
Speaker 2: get Okay? Why was AJ Finley not drafted? One some

370
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 2: taping issues to some diagnosis issues, you know, and being

371
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 2: able to respond as that last line of defense and

372
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 2: take angles and figure things out. So if you're going

373
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 2: to YouTube and typing in AJ Finley and you're seeing

374
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,719
Speaker 2: and they're beautiful, I mean, some of those interceptions are incredible.

375
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 2: That's what you're seeing. What you're not seeing is the

376
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,440
Speaker 2: reason why he wasn't drafted. So look, he's clearly an

377
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: exceptional athlete. The guy was a starting safety at an

378
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 2: SEC school, had a pick six against A and M,

379
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: had an interception, had a brilliant special teams play that

380
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 2: ended up scoring a touchdown against Alabama in his career.

381
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, this guy's got some splash plays, but it's

382
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 2: everything outside the splash that leads you to be undrafted.

383
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,239
Speaker 2: So the other guy that I would keep an eye

384
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 2: on is Mark Webb, just because he is that hybrid.

385
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 2: He can play safety, can play corner, you can play

386
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 2: slot corner, play outside corner, can play high safety, can

387
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: play box. Safety's very versatile. Get all of that at

388
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 2: Georgia and we saw him do quite a bit of

389
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 2: that in preseason games as well. So to me, that's

390
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 2: that battle for that fourth safety is going to be

391
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: Raheem Lane versus Mark Webb. And I would put aj

392
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: Finley as someone who's trying to crack into that battle,

393
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,879
Speaker 2: you know, and he's going to have to show that

394
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: he can make up that ground because I would say

395
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: Lane is the favorite Mark Webb is because he's dealt

396
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 2: with injuries. If Mark Webb could stay healthy, that would

397
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: be a heck of a battle for that fourth safety

398
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 2: and that you know, fifty first, second, third spot on

399
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 2: the roster.

400
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: We've heard the coaches be really high on Mark Webb.

401
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 1: It's just the oh yeah, juries. Man, he hasn't been

402
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: able to stay on the field. The gap between I

403
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: think fans, if you're going out to jack him with

404
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: Sports Complex next week, is j T. Woods is the

405
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: guy that Money and I have talked about. I think,

406
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: since you know, March and April about a guy who

407
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 1: we want to see take that next step. The gap

408
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: between he and a Lohi Gilman, I think is pretty

409
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,719
Speaker 1: wide at this point. And I feel comfortable with Derwin

410
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: and Alohi as the starting safeties. I think Alow he

411
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: has really found his groove and Brandon Staley's defense. I

412
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: think Brandon stalely trusts him. I think Derek Ansley trusts him.

413
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: But the gap between JT and a low heat Money,

414
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: how far do you think that is for JT to

415
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: get meaningful snaps this year?

416
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: Well, to me, it's it's not necessarily a JT. Woods

417
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 2: versus a Loie. I think let's just think about Week

418
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: one in Miami and what we think Brandon Staley would

419
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: like to do. When you look at the way Miami

420
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: lines up, you don't have a lot of thump. You

421
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 2: got a butt ton of speed everywhere, is what you're

422
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: talking about, So you're gonna want both. In a perfect world,

423
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 2: you got both JT and Ae Looi playing high, you're

424
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 2: playing quarters umbrella coverage, and you've got Derwin out there

425
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: with Jah with you might have six defensive backs against

426
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: Miami and one linebacker is what you could be talking,

427
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, or you could be talking five, one linebacker five.

428
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: It's if I had to guess, I would say, ask

429
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley what he'd want. He wants Kendricks out there

430
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 2: as just a single linebacker. He wants j T and

431
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: a lowie up high, and he probably wants Derwin in

432
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: the slot with with j C and and Mikey Davis

433
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: and and a Sante sam you know, so like that's

434
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: that's probably in a Sante Samuel. That's what we're talking about.

435
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: You got four guys up front and and and a

436
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: lot of defensive backs because you got speed everywhere, and

437
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: we know he wants to keep everything in front of him,

438
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: make him have ten play drives no explosives. So that's

439
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: to me, it's not necessarily Kenny unseen to Lowie. It's

440
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Kenny play next to him. So Derwin can play slot corner,

441
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: Doran Drwin can play star and you can really change

442
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: the look of your defense.

443
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: To be like we said.

444
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: So Brandon Staley wants to be. He wants to be.

445
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: He wants to have this sort of not the Amoba

446
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: defense of New England. That's that's probably the wrong term.

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: But he wants it to look one way pre snap

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: and be something completely different after the ball is put

449
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: into play. And and that's where JT can really help

450
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: if he can be that second safety playing up high.

451
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: It was it was poorly worded by me. I should

452
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: have said, no, no, I know what you mean.

453
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.

454
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: The gap between being a backup in meaningful snaps, whether

455
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: it's next three throwing or or you know, actually playing

456
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: and making an impact for this team as a third

457
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: round pick last year. I have.

458
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: But I bet it's a good point, Chris, because if

459
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: he plays up remember that's not gonna be every game.

460
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: Every game is going to be different based on me.

461
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: They're playing right. Week two is Tennessee you've got Derreck Henry.

462
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to play like that. So

463
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: that's it's gonna change or whatever. Week three is a

464
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: week two or week three, whatever Tennessee is, it's Minnesota,

465
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: it's Tennessee. They're all, yeah, so that game plan is

466
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 2: going to change. And now you're talking about, well, can

467
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: JT be the guy that's up high because he's such

468
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: a good ballhawk and and he's able to, you know,

469
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: do some things different that maybe a lowie doesn't excel

470
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: at that JT does. So week too, it's just gonna

471
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: look different. It's gonna you know, against Tennessee, it's gonna

472
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: be Eric Kendricks and Kenneth Murray out there. So that's

473
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: that's kind of where your point comes in, like what's

474
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: the gap? Can he be? If there's just one guy

475
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: a pie? Can he be that guy? And we'll find.

476
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Out by the way, DeAndre Hopkins now gonna be in

477
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: that game against the Chargers. Sorry for scrolling over here,

478
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to these questions. This is

479
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: from Anthony Money. What position group are you more comfortable with?

480
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: On depth, we'll stay on the topic of safety or

481
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: tight end.

482
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: Well, probably tight end, just just because there's some certainty there.

483
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Gerald Everett had had his best season last year, played

484
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 2: great against Jacksonville and you know, came out as as

485
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: a solid Why tight end, you know, I think and

486
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: and there's there's issues with blocking certainly. They you know,

487
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: neither Parum or Everett would be considered plus blockers. They

488
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: just need to be average, They need to be good enough.

489
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: I think Trey McKitty is what they want. Is there

490
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: a fourth tight end in there in that battle? But

491
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 2: Stone Smart I thought played well in moments in spurts

492
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: last year and I would say he's got the edge

493
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: over camp Moyer. I'm looking at the depth now. Azike

494
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: out of UCLA as an undrafted free agent, you know,

495
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: you can throw him in there as as that three

496
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: way battle if they want to carry four tight ends.

497
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm comfortable with Everett and Parham being

498
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: one and two as long as McKitty can kind of

499
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: take that next step. So that's that's all right to me.

500
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: It was tight end versus safety. Right safety. We don't

501
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: know what j T. Woods if he's going to have

502
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: a role. The guy barely played last year as a

503
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: third round pick. So that's a big concern to me.

504
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: Jeff asked, why have we not signed one of the

505
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: blocking tight ends still on the market. It was a

506
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: liability last year, especially in the running game. So you

507
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: mentioned Trey McKitty. They're really kind of counting on him

508
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: to be that guy. Could you see them ad a

509
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: blocking tight end or really maybe maximize the offensive line

510
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore's scheme and maybe that is the difference

511
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: this year.

512
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, that's that's probably where zeke comes

513
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: in is you know, I'm looking at I just want

514
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: to make sure I got as measurables right because I

515
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: remember seeing him think he was eighty six on the Bruins.

516
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: He's a big guy, so he's he's six five two

517
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: forty one. And we know that DTR Drian Thompson and

518
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: Robinson ran the ball a lot. We know what kind

519
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: of chip Kelly. You know, Chip Kelly for all of

520
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: the explosive offense that people think of when they think

521
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: of Chip Kelly, he wants to run the ball like

522
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: it's it's a running based offense for the most part.

523
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: Is that's where everything starts. It's not an airt out offense.

524
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: So he was someone who had to block a lot.

525
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: So I would guess that they're hopeful that that maybe

526
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: he can come in and provide a little bit of

527
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: competition for Trey. So when you get into your third season,

528
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: regardless of where you were drafted, you got to start

529
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: to produce. If you're not producing and you're a liability,

530
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: then that's where you could see one of the tight

531
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: ends out there. It's just you know, when you get

532
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: into it and I'm trying to think who's out there.

533
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: I know Rudolph's out there. You know, when you start

534
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: getting into some of these guys, there's a reason why

535
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: they're still out there. You know they're they're perhaps they've

536
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: passed their prime, and you've got to decide whether or

537
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: not a past his prime Kyle Rudolph is a better

538
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: option than a third years. He's starting to figure it

539
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: out Trey McKitty. So that's the stuff that they'll start

540
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: balancing out.

541
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Chargers don't need another pass catching tight end,

542
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: right you know, if parm stays healthy and Gerald ever

543
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: does what he did towards the end of last season,

544
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, money this morning, I was thinking more about

545
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line and a lot of these guys are

546
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: the same, but there's movement right. So right what intrigues

547
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: me is where Jamari Sawyer is going to go on

548
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: the right side, right guard? He played fourteen games at

549
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: left tackle last year. He played across the line at Georgia.

550
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: Zion's going to the side next to Rashaan and Lindsley.

551
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: So you would probably think that that side is the

552
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: more dominant side. But we saw what the Chargers did

553
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: bringing back Trey Pipkins. Trey played through a lot of

554
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: pain last year and he played really well. And you

555
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: know he works out with Duke Mannyweather along with Rashaan.

556
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: What's he going to look like this year? Is he

557
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna be even in better version? And is Jamari Sawyer

558
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: that side of the line. Are they going to be

559
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: able to hold up in key spots during the twenty

560
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: twenty three season.

561
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, like the I like the offensive line group. You're

562
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: looking at four tackles, four guards, two centers. You know,

563
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: Slater Pipkins, Foster Serell that they were happy with his

564
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: development last year, talking about the former number one offensive

565
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: line prospect in the in the nation when he was

566
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: coming out of high school, goes to Stanford just trying

567
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 2: to figure it out here at the next level. They

568
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: like Zach Bailey a lot, so you know, I think

569
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: the tackle what he's kind of that is he gonna

570
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: make it or not? Not not sure. He was spent

571
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: some time on the practice squad last year. Interior. You know,

572
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: they drafted Jordan McFadden, so you've got him right behind

573
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: Jamari Sawyer and they drafted last year. And of course

574
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: then you're starting guards and in Zion Zion your other

575
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: starting guard, and then Brennan Hymis, who was expected to

576
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: kind of be that swing to play someone who played

577
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: tackle at Nebraska, could play interior, could play a little center,

578
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: and when he was pressed into action, I think left

579
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: a little bit to be desired. So to me, keep

580
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: an eye on some of the guys they're bringing in

581
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: on the offensive line and perhaps the highmest spot could

582
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: be up for grabs. But you know, to me, that's

583
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: it's a good group. There's I feel comfortable will clap.

584
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: Obviously it'll be on the roster as the backup center,

585
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: So that's something I wouldn't be surprised to see. If

586
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: you know, they try to figure out is there's somebody

587
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: else in here that we could groom to be a

588
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: backup center as well, and maybe that you save it

589
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: there someone who's the guard slash center. So that group

590
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: looks pretty settled to me. I think it'll end up

591
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: being your starting five slater Johnson Lindsley saw your Pipkins,

592
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: and then obviously McFadden whom you just drafted will clap

593
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: as your backup center, Foster as your backup tackle, and

594
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: then it's is there a battle for highmus and Bailey

595
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: with some of the other guys they brought in Austin Pleasant,

596
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: size Weaver, Nick Melstop. Like those sort of guys, can

597
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: they supplant one of them as that second third, you know,

598
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: swing behind all those guys?

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Feel good about the offensive line you mentioned at the top.

600
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: Another battle is that wide receiver three battle, and I

601
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: guess that's gonna be Joshua Palmer versus Quinton Johnson. We

602
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: know Keenan Micah are one in one a here in LA.

603
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to see Quinton Johnson what he looks like,

604
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: especially early in camp. But I think josh Palmer has

605
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: been a little bit forgotten this offseason just because of

606
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: the excitement, the deserved excitement about Quinton Johnson coming in

607
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: and eventually being maybe a potential star here in the

608
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: next few years. But Joshua Palmer's development and his work

609
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: ethic man, what he does after practice with Justin Herbert,

610
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: and how he's leaned on Keenan Allen. I really think

611
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: that that's to serve him well in his third season.

612
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: And I would not be surprised in the least if

613
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: if he starts as the third wide receiver on this

614
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: team and we kind of see how both of those

615
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: guys play. I think both guys are gonna play a

616
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: decent amount during the regular season. But that'll be a

617
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: fun kind of wrinkle to observe during preseason games.

618
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: It'll and it's gonna change throughout the course of the season.

619
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: Sure right.

620
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: It's so you've got pretty much five guys that you

621
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: feel like if Jalen Geiiton is healthy, and that, by

622
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: the way, that's maybe the one to keep an eye on.

623
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: That's not like it's a it's a big money deal

624
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: and they can't afford to move on from him. They

625
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: like Jalen Geiiton. There's a rapport between he and Justin

626
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: Herbert as a deep threat. He's got legitimate four to

627
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: three speed, So just go through the five. We know

628
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: the five that are gonna make it right, Mike Williams,

629
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnson, Darius Davis because Davis

630
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: is your punt returner and probably, like we said, it's

631
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: gonna get some of those sweet motion you know, just

632
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: bubble screens because of his his speed and his escapability.

633
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: So then it's is it Jalen Geiton. Is he the

634
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: six because they're going to carry six? Is he the

635
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: sixth guy? Or is he going to get a challenge

636
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: from someone like Poke Wilson, you know who flat has

637
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: has incredible splash plays. And to me, like you know,

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: we were we were talking on Twitter about Denzel Mims yesterday, right,

639
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: and you think about he got there guys. Yeah, Well,

640
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: and look, I think for people that are upset that

641
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: the Chargers didn't get him, considering how little the Lions

642
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: gave up a twenty twenty five to seventh for a

643
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: conditional sixth, and I mean, like, there's it's nothing, right,

644
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: it's absolutely nothing for a former second round pick that's

645
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: six foot three four three forty guy. But so any

646
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: team could have bested that, right, They could have given

647
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: him a twenty twenty four to sixth and they would

648
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: have bested that deal, and no one was willing to

649
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: do that. So clearly front offices see something on the

650
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: tape that they're not comfortable with.

651
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: And that's why we talked about mows before they even

652
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: drafted Quentin Johnson no money, like we were talking about

653
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: memes before the draft.

654
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: So it just with Yeah, it lines up with what

655
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: they with what they like. They like big receivers and

656
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: they need speed. So Denzel is six three and has

657
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: legitimate four three speed, So it just lined up with

658
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: and that's perhaps where and you know, it goes so

659
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: much more beyond. And now I bring it up because

660
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: maybe the tape for Denzel shows that doesn't really look

661
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: like for three speed when you watch them. It's for

662
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: someone that's supposed to be that fast. When you go

663
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: back and watch it, you just would like to see

664
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: a little bit more separation and and a little bit more. Hey, quarterbacks,

665
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: gotta throw the ball to me because I'm wide open.

666
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: I got two steps on this guy, and that's just

667
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of that with him. I bring

668
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: that up because when you watch Poke Wilson, guys always

669
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: separated from and it's college versus the pros, right, So,

670
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: but you're talking about someone who's going up against caliber

671
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: of athletes in the ACC against Miami, against NZ State,

672
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: against wake Forest, like against so against Clemson, and you're

673
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: seeing this dude with two three steps on corners, and

674
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: so that's an interesting one to me. The measurables and

675
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: the forty times aren't what you would want for a

676
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: burner man. You just watch you watch him on the

677
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: field and he just looks fast. It looks like he

678
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: is constantly two three steps ahead of guys and they're

679
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: hawking the ball downfield and he's wide open. So that

680
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: to me, when you're talking about the sixth wide receiver,

681
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. Yeah, And I'm wondering, based on the

682
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: injury and where he's at and his recovery, if maybe

683
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: that spot could be up for grabs.

684
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Last night money, this is Poke Wilson was put on

685
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: the non football illness list, So he's gonna be I think,

686
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: maybe behind eight ball a little bit to start.

687
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: It's gonna make it tough.

688
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: Then it's gonna be a little a little tough, make

689
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: it tough. But this was last night, So uh, that's

690
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: obviously developing at this point. Jalen Geiton, I think the

691
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: silver lining to a terrible injury as it happened in September,

692
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully he's he's as close to one

693
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: hundred percent as he can be. But the wide receivers,

694
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: the position man charge fan's gotta be feeling good about

695
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: it because we're not talking about, Okay, who's gonna make

696
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: the team beyond three, four and five. You actually know

697
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: who the guys are gonna be. It's just a matter

698
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: of what order and and how that shakes out throughout

699
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: the course of the regular season. You know, running back,

700
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: I remember sitting down with Joshua Kelly last year and

701
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: he just he looked good. It's very hard to uh

702
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: gauge how a running back looks on the field in

703
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: preseason because it's you know, even when you have the

704
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: pads on, you're not bringing guys to the ground. I

705
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: think we have a pretty good idea of who Joshua

706
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Kelly is at this point. Isaiah Spiller is a different story,

707
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: and those those preseason games and those scrimmages are really

708
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell I think what the Chargers have in Spiller

709
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: in his second year. You mentioned this last year. He

710
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: was the youngest player drafted in twenty twenty two. So

711
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: when you come in the league at twenty years old,

712
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: you have a lot to learn off the field. You

713
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: have to grow into your body, and maybe this was

714
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: a good first year for him to really get his

715
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: feet under him and compete for a spot.

716
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: Now that room is set, I don't think we're really

717
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: going to see any change. The only thing is are

718
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: they going to carry a full back in horror bath?

719
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: Do they want to bring him back or would they

720
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: prefer to put a running back into that spot if

721
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: you know whether it's And I watched some tape on

722
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: each of them, Elijah Dotson out of Sack State and

723
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: Northern Colorado and Tyler Housman out of North Dakota, and

724
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: I think Northern Iowa was where he was before that.

725
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: So it's interesting Dotson when you when you watch him

726
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: and and look those two guys, they're gonna have to

727
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: make their bones on special teams. But I'm just saying

728
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: to think about Austin Eckler's path to being one of

729
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: the best running backs in the league. When you watch Dotson,

730
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: like his ball skills are crazy, it's he's running wheel

731
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: routes where he's hand fighting with safeties and tracking the

732
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: ball and making one hand catches as a running back,

733
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: as a pass catching back, and and you know, level

734
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: of competition is important to to measure, but just in

735
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: terms of his comfortability catching the ball as a running back,

736
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: and he's he plays a lot bigger than his size.

737
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: The other side of that is Tyler Houseman's h hammer,

738
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean a hammer. He is blowing dudes up and

739
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: at the same time has breakaway speed and elusiveness. So

740
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: those two guys will be interesting to to keep an eye.

741
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: I don't think they make the roster unless they decide, Okay,

742
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: we don't do we want do we want the full back,

743
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: do we want Xander Horvath or do we feel comfortable

744
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: pass protection with this slate of running backs and we

745
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: can put any of them out there. So that's one

746
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: I would maybe think about that that could be a

747
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: potential training camp battle that because we know how important

748
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: Xander Horbeth was on special teams. So that's why that's

749
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: what all of these back end of the roster spots

750
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: fifty through fifty three are going to come down to.

751
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: Can you contribute on special teams or can you be

752
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: an elite special teams player. You know, they've been looking

753
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: for Derek Watts since they let him get away to Pittsburgh,

754
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: and they're hopeful that that Horrvath can fill that and

755
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: that he becomes that player just one of your best

756
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: special teamers and someone who can catch a couple passes

757
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: from Justin Herbert at the goal line and is great

758
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: in pass protection or when you need that third and

759
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: one you want to run it on eye formation, someone

760
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: that can blow up the whole and take on a

761
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: linebacker and move them. So I suspect it'll be Horvath

762
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: that's back.

763
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: But he listed to dig into that real quick because Horvath.

764
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I feel like every other week fans will either write

765
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: us a question or a comment about Xander Horvath, and

766
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: they saw what he did at the beginning of last

767
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: year and they're wondering, is there a bigger role for

768
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: him in Kellen Moore's offense because he he showed some

769
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: flash in spots on offense and obviously on special teams.

770
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: Do you think Xander Horvath is somebody that they can

771
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: kind of use in the offense consistently as a weapon

772
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: there's so many weapons on this offense, but Xander Horfaz

773
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: having that fullback that can do a lot of different things,

774
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's frankly, I think rare in the league. Now,

775
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of NFL teams that have, you know,

776
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: a fullback do it all full back.

777
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: Again, it's probably more important to not focus on the

778
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: offensive side, but the special team side that you know

779
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: that Ryan faken special teams he know was one of

780
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: the best in the league last year. It wasn't just

781
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: because JK. Scott could pump the pump the ball through

782
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the roof. Now, obviously that helped a lot. There were

783
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: a of fair catches, but you also had really good

784
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: special teams play from John Taylor, Dean Leonard, Nick Neeman,

785
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: Xander Horvat like so that's and that's where they missed

786
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: Derek Watt. You think about how it got away from

787
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: them on special teams and these returns, explosive returns that

788
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: they were given up, and a lot of that was

789
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: because when you looked at NFL special teams tacklers, Derek

790
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: Watt was first, Like he had nineteen to twenty five

791
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: special teams tackles every year and would lead the league

792
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: in that category. Now Nick Neeman is up there, He's

793
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: one of their best special teamers. Chris Rump is a

794
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: really good special teamer. So in terms of Whovat, if

795
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: he can just replace what Derek Watt did, that's all

796
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: they need. I mean, he was a It's such a

797
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: small piece, but man did they miss him. And they

798
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: had been looking for him with Gabe Neighbors that didn't

799
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: work out, and now with Xander Horvat they're trying to

800
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: find him. So if he can just replace what Derek

801
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: Watt was able to give them, that's a huge win.

802
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't think the fans need to worry as much

803
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: about hey, can he catch? He's not going to be

804
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: Kyle Yuschik.

805
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: He looks like Mike Stott. I don't know if he's

806
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Mike al Stott, but he looks like him. Yeah.

807
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: And look, he was a running back at Perdue and

808
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: he ran and ran the ball, you know, so it's

809
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: I get it, and Mike.

810
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: Alstott went to produce.

811
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: So there you go. I mean, I get where that

812
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: connection is made. But for what the Chargers need best

813
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: not best case, but floor can he be that Derek

814
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: Watt level special teamer. Hit the hole, blow it open

815
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: for for Eckler or Josh Kelly when you need a

816
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: third and one, especially on the goal line, or can

817
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: you be that you know, play action, you're leaking out

818
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: into the flat, Trust you to catch the ball and

819
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: you can walk in for a couple of touchdowns every year.

820
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: So I think we hit the offense pretty good. I'm

821
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: excited to see Easton Stick get more and more reps

822
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: during the preseason as the backup quarterback to justin on defense.

823
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Let's touch on the defensive line and linebacker quickly. Eric

824
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Kendricks obviously a new face, so it'll be fun to

825
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: see him in powder blue. We've talked about a big

826
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: year for Kenneth Murray. What do you see in that

827
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: linebacking corps again, I think you're right. You're gonna see

828
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of personnel where there's one

829
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: linebacker on the field and it's probably Kendricks.

830
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to direct people to Chargers dot com.

831
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: Our our friend Eric Smith, who writes over there is

832
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: the head writer. Did a did a thing with Jeff Howard,

833
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: their new linebackers coach, And I'll tell you what when again,

834
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: this could be out of context. I don't know, but

835
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm just reading the answers and you know the answer

836
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: to what have been your early interactions with Kenneth Murray?

837
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: Very gifted being drafted as high as he was. There's

838
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: a lot of physical talent, effortful both on the field

839
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: off the field, meeting room, intelligent guy, great communicator. I'm

840
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: excited to be able to work with Kenneth. As for

841
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: Dan Henley, who was drafted in the third round, your thoughts,

842
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: I was very high one of my favorite linebackers in

843
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: the draft and surprised he was available when we drafted.

844
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's three times as long the answer,

845
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: So there's again I could be interpreting something that's not there,

846
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: but it's three sentences on Kenneth Murray. It's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

847
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: eleven twelve sentences on day on. So again, don't don't

848
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: be too surprised. I know draft status is important and

849
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: it sticks to you, and that's why Kenneth Murray's going

850
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: to continue to get opportunities, But don't don't get too

851
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: attached to it, because the linebacker coach certainly is pretty

852
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: sweet on day on.

853
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Kendricks is the new guy. Murray is a guy that

854
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: you want to see take another step. But Henley, I mean,

855
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: his personality is in ins and I know he's going

856
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: to make an impact on special teams. But man, wouldn't

857
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: it be something if he could contribute defensively and just

858
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: be that piece that they didn't have last year. They

859
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: could do a lot of different things because he's just

860
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: a freak athlete.

861
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: Again, you know what I read the quote. I'll just

862
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: I read a little bit of it. Things that stand

863
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: out with me when I watch a state how physical

864
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: he was. That's the first thing he goes out of

865
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: his way to play with the physical mentality. And then

866
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: when you see his movement skills, I'm just like, this

867
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: guy doesn't move like a linebacker. His history is a

868
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: former receiver, played high school quarterback. You see that in

869
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: his moving skills. It's intriguing. When I met with him,

870
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: the best word to describe him is intentional, And that's

871
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: a buzzword for coaches. When they say intentional, that is

872
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: as high a compliment as they will play they will

873
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: pay a defensive player. When he was describing his time

874
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: of where he was at the different schools, the Senior Bowl.

875
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: What he wants to accomplish. He's very intentional and set

876
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: goals of what he wanted from his situation, and he's

877
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: come in here and established the same thing. It's a

878
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: combo of skill set and character. I am excited about dayon.

879
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: Take take from that what you.

880
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Wish he's like positionless? I almost. I don't know if

881
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I consider him a I just a chess piece. Right,

882
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: what did we say?

883
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: You don't know? You think Deyon's ahead a linebacker before snap?

884
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: But guess what now I'm pushing him into the slot

885
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: or I'm pushing him up. You're not You think he's

886
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: gonna be occupying this particular space. No, I'm sending him

887
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: because he's can track your receiver. He's an athlete. So

888
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: that's I think that's what we're talking about. And I

889
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: know that's the thing that we've said about Kenneth is man.

890
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: When he's when he's right, holy hack, lookout, because he

891
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: is fast, he is big, he is strong. But it's

892
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: you got to be right at that level. You've got

893
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: to be right. And so that's I think where that

894
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: door could be open, where you could see a bigger

895
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: role for Henley when by the time the season rolls

896
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: around and he's rocking the number zero. Right, Yeah, love it.

897
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: That's gonna be love it if you find a scene

898
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: of a zero run around Coasta Mesa. All right, finally,

899
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: money the defensive line. We'll start with Edge. We know

900
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: it's Khalil and Joey's show. The other rookie, Tully Toy

901
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: Polo two. How quickly can he get up to speed

902
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: and play this NFL game? Another young guy.

903
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: We've seen flashes from Chris Rump. You know they're going

904
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: to carry four Edge players, Rump two, Polo two and

905
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: macin Bos obviously, so we'll see whether or not he

906
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: can jump in front of Rump, jump in front of

907
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Rump early. But Chris isn't going to relinquish that spot easily.

908
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: He's had great flashes, He's had a couple of sacks.

909
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: He's an exceptional Special Teams player as well. So that's

910
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a fun battle to watch. They need it, frankly,

911
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: you know, they really need it, so they I think

912
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: there's still quite a bit to be desired. The nice

913
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: thing is that Morgan Fox can be a little bit

914
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: multiple there and and he can play inside. He could

915
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: play outside he rushes the passers so well. So you know,

916
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: I got four edges and six interior, Morgan Fox, Abastian

917
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: Joe's Day, Austin Johnson, Tito Abonia, Nick Williams, and of

918
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: course they just drafted Scott matt Lock. So you got

919
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: those six and then is there seven you know with

920
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: with Moe and Hinton, David mow and Chris Hinton, whether

921
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: or not they can kind of crack that rotation. So

922
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: it's I think it's pretty set. I feel like there's

923
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: there's ten d linemen and that's gonna be your your

924
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: ten and hopefully they stay healthy because we're already talking

925
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: about of those guys Joey Boss of course dealt with

926
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: serious injury last year, Austin Johnson, Tito Abony. Are they

927
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: gonna be able to start the year you know or not?

928
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: And so that's that that could open the door for

929
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Moe and Hinting to both make the roster out of

930
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: camp because Tito and Austin Johnson are.

931
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: Ready to go. You feel good about the depth there.

932
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: If those guys are healthy. Yeah. If if Austin Johnson

933
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: and Tito are healthy, I do I think they I

934
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: think we saw you know when they were when they

935
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: were healthy. It it works. It's to me, it's less

936
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: about they just need to they need to prevent the

937
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: explosive run play. That's what gets them. That's what skews

938
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: the run numbers. It's not necessarily that there's a lack

939
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: of impact on the interior of the line. It's that

940
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: every game you would get these forty yard runs, these

941
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: sixty yard runs, these that's what they have to do

942
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: a better job of slowing down and that almost is

943
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: more on the plate of Kenneth Murray, Eric Kendricks than

944
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: those guys up front. That look, they got to fill

945
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: their gaps and they're responsible in it. And we know

946
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: it's a tough defense to learn. We've heard that you're

947
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: responsible for a gap and a half up front. Some

948
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: guys are, you know. He asks guys like Joey Boson

949
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack to play multiple positions and to think a

950
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: little bit more than they were used to. It's not

951
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: just set the edge and go get the passer. You've

952
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: also got to think about covering and maybe moving a

953
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: little bit. So it's not easy. But I to answer

954
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: your question, do I feel comfortable, Yeah, But those two

955
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: guys have to be healthy.

956
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: Final question money This is from JC comeback season. He's

957
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: yelling at me. It's an all Caps I where is

958
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: John Johnson the Third? Is John Johnson the third? A

959
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: charge I've heard about John Johnson the Third more than

960
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: most of the guys who are currently on the roster

961
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: at this point.

962
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: I think it's fair because if there's if you were

963
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: to list one group that you're most concerned about, it's

964
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: probably safety. Because we did not see J. T. Woods

965
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: play much at all last year, and when he did play,

966
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: it was concerns disconcerting. So I understand where that comes from.

967
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you were to get Coach Staley

968
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: in a private moment, he would say, can we please

969
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: get this guy on the roster? So I get it.

970
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: I totally understand. Again, I don't think there's any rush.

971
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: I think John Johnson's content to sit around and wait

972
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: to see if anybody gets hurt. And people always get

973
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: hurt in training camp. Happens, happens every year, so and

974
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 2: I'm guessing he's not in a hurry to get back

975
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: out to a camp in July and August. In most

976
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 2: of these spots where we're experiencing an historic heat wave

977
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: right now, he's probably totally content to just kick it

978
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: until week three of training camp and then he can

979
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: sign an incentive laden deal and find the right spot

980
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: for him. Look, if I were him, I'd absolutely want

981
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: to be a Charger. The opportunities are going to be there. Loie.

982
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: Gilman's in what his fourth year. I think this is

983
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Alowe's fourth year, right, yeah, drafted in twenty so this

984
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: is his fourth season. It's JT Wood's second season. But

985
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: he better show something. So if you're John Johnson and

986
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: you show out and you and Derwin become one of

987
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: the best safety tandems in football, then you're probably gonna

988
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: rewarded quite nicely at the end of the season to

989
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: continue to be one of the best safety tandems in football.

990
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: So I can see it. I can totally see that

991
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: still being a topic of conversation between Tom Telesco and

992
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley, and I'm sure Tom would say, look, man,

993
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: JT is, he's young, he's just getting into his second

994
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: training camp. Let's let's let it breathe a little bit

995
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: and see if he can be that guy. So we

996
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: don't have to have another veteran on the roster. We

997
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 2: can carry another rookie contract and get this damn Herbert

998
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: extension done. The last thing we need to do is

999
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: be spending four or five million bucks on a safety

1000
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: that's still out there when we can use that four

1001
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: five million bucks a year for Herbert's contract.

1002
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, no doubt, you're gonna see a lot of

1003
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: movement with there's a lot of veterans out there. You'll

1004
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: see that movement come in August because these guys are

1005
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: not trying to be a camp for the first two

1006
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: to three weeks for sure. All right, money, the speculation

1007
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: is over. We're going to be a camp next week.

1008
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: We will in person. I'm really looking forward to it,

1009
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing all the fans. Shout out to Karen.

1010
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm coming for that light blue shirt. Just let us

1011
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: know when and where. Money will be there to pick

1012
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: it up. And I can't wait to see you guys,

1013
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: Jack having sports complex, any anything else. Money, that's it.

1014
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see.

1015
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, man, all right, guys for money,

1016
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm Chris. This has been Chargers Weekly. We'll see you

1017
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: next week.