Speaker 1: What's profoundly sexually frustrated my Ben Shapiro. This is a
Speaker 1: special book episode. I'm Robert Evans behind the Bastards podcast
Speaker 1: Worst People tell you all about him. Ben Shapiro was
Speaker 1: one of our favorite Worst People who was simultaneously far
Speaker 1: too personally boring to get an episode dedicated to his
Speaker 1: life and hilarious enough that we we continue to analyze
Speaker 1: his work. And today I've brought on Sophia Alexandra, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite guests, to talk about a subject. Sophia,
Speaker 1: you do a podcast about sex, right You're you're you're
Speaker 1: something of a sexpert? Would that be sure? Do podcast
Speaker 1: called Private Parts Unknown about love and sex around the world,
Speaker 1: And as such, I um would do what I would
Speaker 1: describe as anti Ben Shapiro wing as I try to
Speaker 1: make sure people get wet. Sophia, I think that may
Speaker 1: be unfair, and I think you actually might have a
Speaker 1: lot to learn from Ben Shapiro, and so as a
Speaker 1: service to you, as a small brained woman, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I can as a service to you, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: this video of Bin Shapiro explaining the concept of pegging.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, at least she trust and gay.
Speaker 1: That's pretty exciting and gay we trust is. We had
Speaker 1: Megan Rapino and then we had Kara di Levine and
Speaker 1: I maybe screwing up her name, but frankly I don't
Speaker 1: care because I really don't know very much who she is.
Speaker 1: Apparently she's some sort of model and here she was
Speaker 1: modeling a bib slash straight jacket. I don't know what
Speaker 1: this top is supposed to be. And it says, peg
Speaker 1: the patriarchy. Oh the courage, Oh the stunning courage and bravery,
Speaker 1: Peg the patriarchy because pegging, of course, is an obscure
Speaker 1: sexual practice in which women perform the the the more
Speaker 1: aggressive sexual act on men, Peg the patriarchy, right, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: and if she's pegging the patriarchy by being model for
Speaker 1: the pleasure of men generally speaking, Okay, that's that's enough.
Speaker 1: I just needed the explanation of pegging as a woman
Speaker 1: performing the and then he stutters, like nine times aggressive
Speaker 1: part of sex. But also it's a rare act. It
Speaker 1: tells you a lot about ben because one of the
Speaker 1: things that tells you, like, if you have never pleased
Speaker 1: a sexual partner with a vagina, you might believe that
Speaker 1: you cannot be penetrated and do so aggressively. But you
Speaker 1: can also I don't know who understands less about pegging
Speaker 1: the patriarchy, karadel Avian or Benship. Yeah, mean, like I
Speaker 1: think that's what a ridiculous thing. Dejectively feels good. That's
Speaker 1: why you would do it. And she's like, can we
Speaker 1: It's like, let's blow the patriarchy. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: frustrated by it because there's nothing bad about pegging, and
Speaker 1: that's like the inherent implication of that wonderful unpleasant No,
Speaker 1: it's lovely. Um, but like, yeah, anyway, I just been
Speaker 1: Shapiro's understanding of sex is always just a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: And Sophia, what if I were to tell you that
Speaker 1: Bennethan Shapiro wrote an entire book about sex? Do you
Speaker 1: mean bent Affer? Yeah? Been benefits been off, Bennet, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Whatever. How would you feel
Speaker 1: if I told you that, Sophia? Um, I would laugh
Speaker 1: very hard. And that is why I'm excited to be
Speaker 1: on this. Well, he did. He published the book Porn Generation.
Speaker 1: I believe it was published in two thousand eight, so
Speaker 1: back before you know, anybody knew who been Shapiro, was
Speaker 1: that my porn Generation? Yeah, I almost got that one,
Speaker 1: so Sophia almost. Oh no, the Who? Yeah, wait about
Speaker 1: that's the who? I know about the Who. Tommy was
Speaker 1: the first album I ever bought. We finally found a
Speaker 1: fucking pop culture reference from a millionillion years ago. Tommy
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite pieces of music. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's awesome, but who are awesome? It was? It was
Speaker 1: quite an era in which you could have a rock
Speaker 1: opera that included a song about your uncle Ernie molesting you,
Speaker 1: which is a banger, like a very very like morally
Speaker 1: confusing banger because it fettle about an incredible song, The Hatcher,
Speaker 1: The Catcher and the Rye of Songs. Now, Sophia sorry,
Speaker 1: It was two thousand thirteen that he wrote this book,
Speaker 1: still before any reasonable person had ever heard of Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 1: It's called obviously that's the year that orgasms were invented? Correct,
Speaker 1: because none had occurred until Ben Shapiro wrote this book.
Speaker 1: Not in my Shapiro family, for certain. So it's called
Speaker 1: Porn Generation. How social Liberalism is corrupting our future. Um,
Speaker 1: the title is it looks like look up this title
Speaker 1: for me, because I'm trying to figure out what's actually
Speaker 1: going on with the title. It appears to be Um,
Speaker 1: it appears to be the word porn and red with
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's a cock ring or just
Speaker 1: a nose ring on the word porn, Like if that's
Speaker 1: the maybe a belly button ring. Um. It's weird that
Speaker 1: it's there's like just a ring on it. Um. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it is so vague because he's just against
Speaker 1: the concept of Pierre things. Yeah. I think it might
Speaker 1: be just like he's like two stars half piercings. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's very funny concern like understand being scared of piercings,
Speaker 1: like don't yeah, yeah, when when a nose piercing meant
Speaker 1: that you were like three seconds away from executing an
Speaker 1: act of sexual terrorism? Um, but not in two thousand thirteen.
Speaker 1: So the cover also has one of those explicit warning
Speaker 1: explicit lyrics sign which I think is ironic. Um. And
Speaker 1: then there's a quote from Ann Coulter on the front.
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's writing a smart, informative, and incisive. He is
Speaker 1: wise behind his ears without losing the refreshing fearlessness of youth. Yes,
Speaker 1: when I think it's been Shapiro, I think fearless. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: did you say wise beyond his ears? Wise be on
Speaker 1: to his years? Um? He knows that that the act
Speaker 1: of penetration um is fundamentally aggressive. He literally just found
Speaker 1: out women get wet last year. Yeah, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know that he found that. He's a wonder kid because
Speaker 1: as as as I recall, his wife told him that
Speaker 1: a vagina being wet was a sign of infection. She did,
Speaker 1: She said, there's something wrong with these women. For example,
Speaker 1: you know in my life never does and the only
Speaker 1: people I get wet with other people outside of this marriage.
Speaker 1: Can I get an amen? Every time anymously fucking on
Speaker 1: Tinder he talks about sex. He owns himself to a
Speaker 1: degree that I didn't realize was possible. Like you repeatedly
Speaker 1: have give people so much ammunition to dunk on you,
Speaker 1: and not even like it's incredible, it's breathtaking, Like it's
Speaker 1: like you would have to if you were not, if
Speaker 1: you didn't have the natural gifts been Shapiro had, you
Speaker 1: would have to create a like you would have to
Speaker 1: work as a full time job to be owned that hard?
Speaker 1: Did he not get bullied as a kid he's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, oh, but probably still yes, the
Speaker 1: world has bullied Been Shapiro because like, you know, I
Speaker 1: was bullied and you know exactly which ship is going
Speaker 1: to be ammunition. How do you how do you live
Speaker 1: here on God's Green Internet or it or just typing ship?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how to please women? Like it's incredible,
Speaker 1: It's just crazy, it's just just amazing. Um. So the
Speaker 1: it opens with a dedication. This is written by Ben
Speaker 1: to all members of my generation striving to maintain their dignity, honor, virtue,
Speaker 1: and innocence and a chaotic culture, and to their parents.
Speaker 1: I will remind you, because he talks about maintaining his
Speaker 1: innocence that a little less than a decade before this,
Speaker 1: when he was I think seventeen, Been Shapiro wrote a
Speaker 1: column for a conservative website arguing that there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as civilian casualties in Afghanistan and we shouldn't care
Speaker 1: how many women and children are bombs gil um. Innocence
Speaker 1: pegging is aggressive, but but celebrating the murder of civilians
Speaker 1: by twenty first century weaponry is totally fine. That is
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's ethical stance. Who the funk is the intended audience,
Speaker 1: because he just tried to pretend like I was for
Speaker 1: parents and kids. Well, I guess I think I can
Speaker 1: help you here because chapter one is titled A Generation Lost,
Speaker 1: and it opens up with a quote from John Locke, who,
Speaker 1: as you may know, as a man who never fucked um,
Speaker 1: absolutely did not fuck. The John Lock quote is virtue
Speaker 1: is oh, Hobbs. Hobbs didn't do anything but funck. The
Speaker 1: only reason we have writings from Hobbs is that somebody
Speaker 1: was taking them down while he was in mid bone.
Speaker 1: He just dictated them all. Like David Mill writing Deadwood.
Speaker 1: He occasionally had to take a like a syphilis break,
Speaker 1: and that's when you would knock out some writing, and
Speaker 1: then he would just go right back to fucking. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: that's lock could never um. So the Lock quote is
Speaker 1: virtue was harder to be got the knowledge of the world,
Speaker 1: and if lost in a young man is seldom recovered. Um.
Speaker 1: John Locke, he's just being like, don't learn things, just
Speaker 1: stay innocent and hide. That's kind of what that sounds like.
Speaker 1: The nightmare of thinking that you are as a person
Speaker 1: completely static and you cannot change. You should be static
Speaker 1: changing growing. These are all bad things. That is kind
Speaker 1: of the essence of conservatism. And that's why he never
Speaker 1: got hard. He's against growing. No, he is against growing,
Speaker 1: so his dick would not get hard. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you you celebrate that. So so here's here's how this
Speaker 1: book opens. This has been and I am a member
Speaker 1: of a lost generation. We have lost our values, we
Speaker 1: have lost our faith, and we have lost ourselves as
Speaker 1: societal standards and traditional values have declined, and the crassest
Speaker 1: elements of sexual deviancy and pornography if taken over the
Speaker 1: public square. It is the youngest Americans who have paid
Speaker 1: the price. Never in our country's history has a generation
Speaker 1: been so empowered, so wealthy, so privileged, and yet so empty.
Speaker 1: I want to look up the levels of wealth in
Speaker 1: the millennials, just just just to point out that he's
Speaker 1: comprehensively wrong about everything. Oh do you mean the generation
Speaker 1: that objectively is doing way worse than their parents? Yeah?
Speaker 1: By like, um, so millennials are eighty percent as wealthy
Speaker 1: as their parents were at this age. Uh. And this
Speaker 1: is from Bloomberg. In almost every way measurable. Millennials in
Speaker 1: the US at forty are doing worse financially than the
Speaker 1: generations that came before them. Um, it's it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: We love millennials own less than five percent of all
Speaker 1: US wealth, and like two percent of that alone is
Speaker 1: Mark Suckerberg. Um. It's just it's hysterical how wrong he is. Um,
Speaker 1: because because he's he's he's an idiot. Um. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to read the rest of the book in my
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro voice because people will stop listening, and they
Speaker 1: ought to, but I just kind of felt the need
Speaker 1: to with that. It was if a tool and a
Speaker 1: toad had a gross baby, yeah, somehow sexless. I cannot Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Gilbert Grape and Gilbert Godfrey had a baby and
Speaker 1: then that baby, I don't know. I don't even know,
Speaker 1: Like what could be sad enough to happen to a
Speaker 1: baby to make it Ben Shapiro. I guess that's the
Speaker 1: mystery of Ben Shapiro, is how did someone that's sad
Speaker 1: come about? Um? And I have some information on that answer,
Speaker 1: but but but but I cannot share it. Um. So
Speaker 1: Ben goes on to say, this book is not written
Speaker 1: from the perspective of a parent, a sociologist, or a teacher,
Speaker 1: but of a peer. So there's the answer to your question, Sophia.
Speaker 1: So this is my generation, the poor in generation, and
Speaker 1: for good or ill, we are all America's future. So
Speaker 1: that's very funny. Um. I would pay good fucking money
Speaker 1: for Ben Shapiro's porn history. So if anyone is a
Speaker 1: hacker and has that information allegedly allegedly post it, I
Speaker 1: also just want to go on to note because the
Speaker 1: point here is that Ben Shapiro is comprehensively wrong about everything.
Speaker 1: He's wrong about this being a generation of sexual deviancy.
Speaker 1: Millennials and Generation Z are having less casual sex than
Speaker 1: Generation X or the Baby Boomers, according to a two
Speaker 1: thou eighteen study, actually less sex in general, preod less sex,
Speaker 1: less alcohol consumption, more social media, living for with parents
Speaker 1: for longer. Um. Yeah, that came out into There was
Speaker 1: a study about that in two thousand fourteen. Um, so again,
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro. If Ben Shapiro makes a claim, you just
Speaker 1: have to assume the opposite is true. Yep. So Um
Speaker 1: he goes on to blame thats how his wife tries
Speaker 1: to get him to find her clip. So okay, if
Speaker 1: I say left, this motherfucker is going to go right yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's just how I'm going to reverse engineer this
Speaker 1: ship and still still bone dry, bone dry. The last
Speaker 1: time she tried to get him to find her clip,
Speaker 1: he wound up in Haifa. Actually that is why he's
Speaker 1: such a rabid Zionist. It allows him to avoid He thinks,
Speaker 1: it's my man winds up in the dead sea. Um,
Speaker 1: your ms, I am in hi Fa looking for her clip.
Speaker 1: So he blames the deviancy of the current generation, which
Speaker 1: is he's talking about millennials here. It's generation Z wasn't
Speaker 1: really much of a topic of discussion. Um. He blames
Speaker 1: the devancy on moral relativism, radical feminism, and generational nihilism. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's great, umially in your nerd face, you know what.
Speaker 1: He says that, instead of adopting stronger moral standards are
Speaker 1: society has embraced the lure of personal fulfillment. In a
Speaker 1: world where all values are equal, where everything is simply
Speaker 1: a matter of choice, narcissism rules the day. Our culture
Speaker 1: has bred hollow young men obsessed with self gratification. Young
Speaker 1: women are told to act like sex objects and enjoy it.
Speaker 1: The revisionist historians of effectively labeled obscenity as a right
Speaker 1: that the Founding Fathers sought to protect. Society told the
Speaker 1: poor in generation that final moral authority rests inside each
Speaker 1: of us, and in our vanity, we listened. I can't.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to fade into the voice. It just
Speaker 1: how are you act if you're acting like a sexual
Speaker 1: object and you're enjoying it? How are you acting that?
Speaker 1: Completely a statement that makes zero sense. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really it's really outstanding. Um, yeah, this is outstanding.
Speaker 1: Are acting like you like gay sex and you're enjoying it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hey guess what? Yeah, I got used for you. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're all invited too this year's Pride parade. Okay, that
Speaker 1: is all. Before we move into ads, I want to
Speaker 1: note one other thing Ben got wrong, Because you could argue,
Speaker 1: we already pointed out this millennials and generations he have
Speaker 1: less sex with fewer partners than the generations before them,
Speaker 1: so they are objectively less slutty. Um, but you might argue, well,
Speaker 1: but Ben is also saying that porn is the problem,
Speaker 1: so maybe he maybe his argument is right, And because
Speaker 1: of all the poinn we're consuming, we're fucking less, which
Speaker 1: isn't the argument Ben is making. He's comprehensively wrong. But
Speaker 1: I want to note that there. I want to just
Speaker 1: read a quote from Vice about the the argument that
Speaker 1: like hass porn, why millennials are fucking less. Unfortunately, there's
Speaker 1: one problem with this explanation. It's completely wrong. In a
Speaker 1: study published earlier this year in the Archives of Sexual Behavior,
Speaker 1: researchers analyzed a quarter centuries worth of data from the
Speaker 1: General Social Survey, a nationally representative US survey conducted most
Speaker 1: years that inquires about American sex lives, among other things,
Speaker 1: since nineteen nine, Participants have been asked two key questions,
Speaker 1: whether they have seen a pornographic movie in the last year,
Speaker 1: and how often they were having sex during the same
Speaker 1: time period. This allowed researchers to see whether these two
Speaker 1: things were related. It turns out that Americans across the board,
Speaker 1: not just millennials, were having less sex today than they
Speaker 1: were in the past. However, millennials were doing it less
Speaker 1: than everyone else, and while this decline in sexual activity
Speaker 1: was linked to porn use, the results probably weren't what
Speaker 1: you were expecting. Specifically, rather than being linked to less sex, watching,
Speaker 1: porn was actually linked to having more sex. In other words,
Speaker 1: though porn might seem like the logical target to blame
Speaker 1: when it comes to why millennials and everyone else are
Speaker 1: getting laid less offense, it's not the right one. So
Speaker 1: if it's not porn, then what else might be going on?
Speaker 1: Another common sense explanation is that it's due to changes
Speaker 1: in work life balance. Working more should translate to alex
Speaker 1: active sex life. However, the news Archived study also discounts
Speaker 1: this possibility, finding that unexpectedly working longer hours like watching porn,
Speaker 1: was linked to more sex. Instead. What we're seeing here
Speaker 1: has likely to do with changing marriage patterns. Studies have
Speaker 1: pretty consistently found that married people have to tend to
Speaker 1: have more sex than single people. However, given that millennials
Speaker 1: are waiting longer and longer to get married, the average
Speaker 1: age of a first marriage is now closer to thirty,
Speaker 1: perhaps that's part of the reason why they're less sexually active. So,
Speaker 1: in other words, millennials are fucking less because they're doing
Speaker 1: the thing that Ben Shapiro says they should be doing,
Speaker 1: which is waiting longer to have sex and having fewer
Speaker 1: sexual partners. Like Again, like these people's understanding of everything
Speaker 1: that's actually happening in society is completely off. Like it's
Speaker 1: the same way that people who are against abortion are
Speaker 1: also suppers control and you're like, okay, well are you
Speaker 1: gonna shoot all the babies? Like I don't understand, or
Speaker 1: the pregnant the pregnant women, you're killing the pregnant women.
Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah, It's just there's a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: And it's not just like people are waiting longer for
Speaker 1: marriage people. There's a number of reasons. Some people like
Speaker 1: suspect that like antidepressant medication has an impact on it um,
Speaker 1: but like as a general rule, like comprehensively, the argument
Speaker 1: that like this generation is somehow like more sexually depraved
Speaker 1: and active than before isn't the case. And the most
Speaker 1: you can say is that now people are talking a
Speaker 1: little bit more about some of the weird sex stuff
Speaker 1: that they've always done. But like, I have a theory
Speaker 1: too as to why I think that millennials are fucking less.
Speaker 1: It's because of like the rampant insecurity and like being alive,
Speaker 1: because most people don't have a safety net. There's been
Speaker 1: a housing collapse, there's been a pandemic. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: been nothing since fucked up ship since nine eleven. Uh
Speaker 1: was something that kids could remember and depressed. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, sorry, Like if people don't fuck
Speaker 1: as much because they're like I don't have healthcare and
Speaker 1: I am housing and secure, good news been the world
Speaker 1: that you've enthusiastically tried to build has made people so
Speaker 1: miserable that they're fucking less. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: simple explanation. And my confirmation for that is like vacation syndrome.
Speaker 1: You know, when you go on vacation. Suddenly you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like so fun and interesting and
Speaker 1: I do cool ship and I funk all the time here,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, what's different? Oh? Is that
Speaker 1: that I'm feel not shackled to the capitalist, fucking like
Speaker 1: chains of my work week and the ways in which
Speaker 1: the place I live has ailed me? Oh? Oh that
Speaker 1: must be it. Okay, that's what makes you horny? Great?
Speaker 1: You know what makes me horny, Sophia, goods and services,
Speaker 1: specifically the products and services that support this podcast. Nothing
Speaker 1: else gets me hard. But what is it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Exon mobile today, Sophie, I certainly hope not. Ah, Just
Speaker 1: if you want, if you want to get combination gun
Speaker 1: fentin al store. Well, now that that would get me
Speaker 1: pretty hard. Well, let's keep our fingers crossed. Speaking Robert's
Speaker 1: language there, I mean, I do prefer to lauded, but
Speaker 1: either way product Ah, we're back and we're talking about
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's book on sex. So this first little bit
Speaker 1: ends with the paragraph the porn generation now inhabits a
Speaker 1: world where empowered means sex with no strings attached. The
Speaker 1: old faith and traditional morality was too bourgeoisie, archaic, sexist,
Speaker 1: and closed minded for this brave new world. Our new
Speaker 1: God is tolerance of all behavior. Our new credo live
Speaker 1: and let live imagine thinking like live and let live
Speaker 1: is a bad yeah, or it is like negative and
Speaker 1: again just he's comprehensively wrong about every single factual claim
Speaker 1: he makes. Um like the Beatles wrote a literal fucking
Speaker 1: jam about it years ago, a real banger of a song.
Speaker 1: You really think that that ship is new? And also
Speaker 1: he's like, you know what sucks freedom, the exact freedom
Speaker 1: that I think, Wait a minute, I've talked myself into
Speaker 1: a corner. I guess I love freedom, but I also
Speaker 1: hate it. So the next chapter or not chapter section
Speaker 1: of the book starts with as children, members of the
Speaker 1: porn generation are presented with morally subversive sexual education programs
Speaker 1: that increasingly younger ages. Nine year olds are lectured about
Speaker 1: condom the use, twelve year olds are pushed to make
Speaker 1: decisions about their sexual orientation. Fifteen year olds are expected
Speaker 1: to have said goodbye to virginity. And again, I guess
Speaker 1: it is it is probably true that kids are getting
Speaker 1: better sex, said younger. Maybe that's part of why they're
Speaker 1: having less casual sex, is they're getting more sex, said
Speaker 1: and learning about std S. I don't know. I doubt
Speaker 1: it has an impact on that, but whatever the case,
Speaker 1: it's certainly not making them funck more, because as is stated,
Speaker 1: they're fucking less. I mean, and also, like, I just
Speaker 1: have to be honest that I do remember when I
Speaker 1: turned twelve that somebody did come up to me and
Speaker 1: put a gun to my head and asked me to choose,
Speaker 1: uh my sexual orientation. And I panicked, you know, so
Speaker 1: I said, by and you know, now I'm obligated to
Speaker 1: like both men and women and you know, and just
Speaker 1: all all gender spectrums. Because they put that gun to
Speaker 1: my head, they made me decide at twelve they pushed me.
Speaker 1: And and that's that's how it is for all of
Speaker 1: us who are bisexual. I was forced, at gunpoint at
Speaker 1: age twelve to watch mos def and the Hitchhiker's Guide
Speaker 1: movie and and and violently told to be aroused by it.
Speaker 1: And there's there's just you know, it did incalculable damage. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: um getting wet too, wild things, I would have to say,
Speaker 1: as they're getting wet in the pool. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: that's traumatic because I literally was being you know, tied
Speaker 1: to a chair and forced to watch that and masterbait
Speaker 1: and I I as a result of this childhood trauma,
Speaker 1: I can't watch Pedro Pascal in a movie without needing
Speaker 1: to turn the air conditioning on. So specific I am
Speaker 1: with you. I am in this. Literally, who isn't You
Speaker 1: don't even have to be by to be into Pedro Pascal? Okay?
Speaker 1: So um, all right, so been here, Okay, here's been
Speaker 1: dropping a fact. I'm interested in this? So um? Oh
Speaker 1: actually okay. And college drug use, alcohol use, and sexual experimentation,
Speaker 1: or the norm, as one Harvard girl told me, we're
Speaker 1: jaded and it's fun fun to this girl meant trips
Speaker 1: to Amsterdam to smoke different types of marijuana. To others,
Speaker 1: fun means binge drinking or random sex. This fucking nerd
Speaker 1: ever invited you to a fucking party does not mean
Speaker 1: you have to be such a sour little dick about everything.
Speaker 1: And also, let's let's be frank here. If you've ever
Speaker 1: been to California where Ben lives, Amsterdam wheat is weak ship.
Speaker 1: It is, it just is. It's way worse than fucking
Speaker 1: cal I was impressed by Amsterdam pot when I went
Speaker 1: there from Texas, but my god, the West anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: Ben is comprehensively wrong again. All right, here's a Guardian article.
Speaker 1: They drink less, take far fewer drugs, and have made
Speaker 1: teenage pregnancy a near anomaly. Generation Z, one of several
Speaker 1: terms used to describe the post millennial youthborn after nine,
Speaker 1: preferred juice bars to pub crawls, rank quality family time
Speaker 1: ahead of sex, and prioritize good grades before friendship, at least,
Speaker 1: according to a report published by the British Pregnancy Advisory
Speaker 1: Service last week and their studies in the US that
Speaker 1: find again most like millennials and Generation Z are drinking
Speaker 1: less than previous generations, using less illicit drugs. The exception
Speaker 1: is fucking pain killers, because again, pain killers like numb
Speaker 1: emotional pain. So the fucking problem here, like Ben's focusing on,
Speaker 1: like they're having sex, they're smoking marijuana. No, Ben, they're
Speaker 1: addicted to fucking pain killers. Um, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They're actually doing more. And they're not doing it more
Speaker 1: because we've we've made it okay to be degenerate. They're
Speaker 1: doing it more because pain killers are widely available and
Speaker 1: make lifeless miserable. And people who have spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time donating money to you are the same motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who were pushing those pain killers for fucking decades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's cool. Um, yeah, okay, And so he goes
Speaker 1: on to cite a study from Details magazine and Random
Speaker 1: House that's a survey of college students had a one
Speaker 1: night stand for to cheated on a steady partner, to
Speaker 1: try to get someone drunk or high, to get them
Speaker 1: in bed, had slept with someone knowing they would never
Speaker 1: call again. Um. Oh so this is fun. So he
Speaker 1: he cites this stuff, and he says nothing about previous generations.
Speaker 1: So again he's just talking about like how many millennials
Speaker 1: have had one night stands as opposed to being like,
Speaker 1: how does this compared to previous generations? Is this happening
Speaker 1: more often or less often? And the reason he doesn't
Speaker 1: actually do that comparatively is because they're they're doing it
Speaker 1: less often. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, so he's just citing
Speaker 1: statistics about a single generation, uh, completely separate from like
Speaker 1: actually analyzing them with any historical context, which is, so,
Speaker 1: let people have a one night stand if they have
Speaker 1: one and they realize that that person isn't for them, Uh,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's better than fucking getting married to
Speaker 1: some woman you stocked when you were you know, in
Speaker 1: the fifties until she fucking forcibly agreed to marry you
Speaker 1: because she just got tired, and like, then you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship with her forever and neither of you are
Speaker 1: in love and she puts her head in the oven
Speaker 1: and your kids don't know what love is. So why
Speaker 1: don't you just let people have one night's stance? How
Speaker 1: about that? Because Ben is an incredible journalist, he goes
Speaker 1: from citing this one study without any sort of context
Speaker 1: as as to how any of these things have changed
Speaker 1: over time, and then he provides us with a case
Speaker 1: study of a young woman whose college experience, uh he says,
Speaker 1: is emblematic of of young women these days. That young
Speaker 1: woman isn't real. The case study he cites is Charlotte Simmons,
Speaker 1: who is a character in a Tom Wolfe novel. Um
Speaker 1: Ben says that her story carries enormous way. Let me
Speaker 1: present my factual uh study. The case is one of
Speaker 1: them boy called Harry Potter. Um, can you stop laughing?
Speaker 1: Because he is a proof that millennials are into witchcraft.
Speaker 1: Witchcraft is not funny, Okay, based on the case study
Speaker 1: of Harry Potter, it's incredible because also he's being like,
Speaker 1: this story carries weight because it's so true and like, okay,
Speaker 1: So your case study of how millennial women are behaving
Speaker 1: is a book by baby boomer author Tom Wolfe in
Speaker 1: two thousand four. Hey Ben, a couple of notes, What
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Some good fucking work. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes on. Wow, this goes on for like a
Speaker 1: page and a half. Um, there are thousands of Charlotte
Speaker 1: Simmons is in the porn generation. When you're surrounded by
Speaker 1: couragement leading you to subjective morality, sexuality, and hedonism. When
Speaker 1: you can't retreat to a safe haven. It's simply easier
Speaker 1: to capitulate than to fight. Ha ha ha been yeah,
Speaker 1: Um okay, so let's uh, let's let's let's see what
Speaker 1: else this book has in it. What his wife does,
Speaker 1: tries to have sex with her? Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: capitulates a strong word. Just come on my stomach. Just
Speaker 1: fucking just fine. That's what every woman loves. Been just
Speaker 1: I'll read the World Street Journal. Just fucking do it.
Speaker 1: M No, we have to take a two week break
Speaker 1: because of how how dry it was. We both got
Speaker 1: carpet burn um. Chapter two was titled fun with Bananas,
Speaker 1: and it opens with a quote by Dr Laura Schleschinger.
Speaker 1: Oh god, why yeah, Well, because he's been Shapiro here's
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of how do you say, actual
Speaker 1: sources in a conservative community. No, and again you've seen
Speaker 1: his source. One of his major sources in chapter one
Speaker 1: is a fictional book about a fictional girl. Um, it's
Speaker 1: it's rad's mad because you were invited to her birthday party.
Speaker 1: Ben was never invited to a birthday party. In public
Speaker 1: school systems across the country, they're indoctrinating kids to be
Speaker 1: sexual under the guise of protecting them when you know
Speaker 1: that's not true. I think it is indoctrination for left
Speaker 1: wing agendas. Great, Um, here's how it opens. The chapter
Speaker 1: opens this has been now. I was nine years old
Speaker 1: in fourth grade, says Katie acute, twenty two year old
Speaker 1: suburban girl from the Northeast. She's a brilliant Harvard law
Speaker 1: student and a relatively happy person. At her upper middle
Speaker 1: class elementary school, she had her first brush with sex,
Speaker 1: said porn Generation style. One day, they told us they
Speaker 1: were going to teach us about family life. They didn't
Speaker 1: separate us or anything. They said that people could engage
Speaker 1: in oral, anal, and regular their sex, but didn't explain
Speaker 1: what the terms meant. I can't remember any moral judgments
Speaker 1: being made. They give us booklets with line drawings of
Speaker 1: what happens is puberty progresses. They also told us that
Speaker 1: sex can get you pregnant, that it can give you diseases.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of focus on HIV. They said
Speaker 1: the only way to be safe was abstinence. Then they
Speaker 1: send all the girls to the nurse who told us
Speaker 1: that if we bled, we weren't dying, and ended out
Speaker 1: naxipads and Tampa. That's I wouldn't. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: perfectly reasonable. I actually think it's too much of a
Speaker 1: focus on abstinence. But like that's very conservative. That's extremely
Speaker 1: conservative sex set. Like, I mean, it's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of it as facts. All of this is basically factual
Speaker 1: what the issue is. Again, I think an unreasonable focus
Speaker 1: on abstinence, but that's not technically incorrect. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it is the only way not to get pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a wise focus. But nothing from
Speaker 1: studies that abstinence only education does not work. But all
Speaker 1: the other things were just facts to a conservative that
Speaker 1: should be pretty inoffensive. Sex said, but obviously, and again
Speaker 1: I like that he focused on like they didn't separate
Speaker 1: the boys and the girls, which they did in my
Speaker 1: sex said, by the way, and my sex said was
Speaker 1: fucking useless anyway. Of course, he had to mention she's cute.
Speaker 1: They're like, she's she's good looking, and this is important
Speaker 1: because only good looking people agree with me. A total troll.
Speaker 1: I do love that it's both like Ben Shapiro, our
Speaker 1: generation is too obsessed with sex, also been Shapiro. People
Speaker 1: need to know if I thought this source was hot.
Speaker 1: That's good journalism, fucking tool. It's incredible that he's supposedly
Speaker 1: is bringing as an example of Oh, she doesn't like
Speaker 1: how sexualized the education was, and then he immediately sexualized
Speaker 1: being like, she's cute as an actual journalist who's written
Speaker 1: for actual publications not owned by friends of my father. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to note that student Katie doesn't like. The
Speaker 1: most common piece of editorial advice or editorial question you
Speaker 1: get just like, but was this source hot? How would
Speaker 1: you rank them? Usually in just parentheses you write like
Speaker 1: a number, you know, just like between a one and
Speaker 1: a ten, because people need to know. Notes. When I've
Speaker 1: looked at your journalistic efforts, I always just redline everything
Speaker 1: and I say hot or not. In the Martins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as I talked to the mother of the dead boy,
Speaker 1: she's a solid seven. The child regrettably was a three
Speaker 1: r I p uh god. So um, here's how this continues.
Speaker 1: Katie's parents were given the option to opt out of
Speaker 1: this explicit instruction for their nine year old, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: In fact, no one opted out in fourth grade and
Speaker 1: only one person opted out in the following year. Yars
Speaker 1: of Sex said According to Katie, she got sex said
Speaker 1: nine times over every year from fourth to twelfth grade.
Speaker 1: The classes were co ed all the way through. In
Speaker 1: seventh grade, there were showing condoms. We made balloons out
Speaker 1: of them. They had a goody box full of birth
Speaker 1: control implements, condoms, diaphragms. Man, my school had none of that,
Speaker 1: and we had a bunch of teen pregnancies in seventh grade.
Speaker 1: Someone said that their friends in eighth grade were already
Speaker 1: having sex, but that wasn't common. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I'd say that by the end of high school, about
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the kids in the class were having sex,
Speaker 1: and they were all the popular kids. But I was
Speaker 1: in the advanced class where no one was really doing anything.
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty low. Actually, it sounds like maybe all that
Speaker 1: sex said lead to kids being less sexually active than
Speaker 1: I don't know, your parents generation were been helloo. But also,
Speaker 1: where's that fifteen percent coming? She doesn't know? No, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just Katie. She's some who fox in her grade.
Speaker 1: She's someone been Shapiro likes. So no one who has
Speaker 1: ever had sex is willing to talk to her. He
Speaker 1: also clearly made her up fuckable. College also she does
Speaker 1: not exist. Also fits it's a fake person. Yeah no, wait,
Speaker 1: even come up with any details that would make it
Speaker 1: seem like she was real. Oh, actually, never mind, this
Speaker 1: takes a turn. We may have been unfair to Katie,
Speaker 1: although I still have questions. Katie believes that sex said
Speaker 1: is a good thing for kids to hear. The disease
Speaker 1: and pregnancy stuff was good because it scared people off.
Speaker 1: They realized there were consequences to sex. There should be
Speaker 1: education about it so that there are less half truths
Speaker 1: and complete lives floating around, and people can make an
Speaker 1: informed decision because sooner or later they will do it.
Speaker 1: This is italicized by Ben because I don't think she's
Speaker 1: spoken italics. And the more info they have, the better
Speaker 1: they are equipped to determine when they will do it.
Speaker 1: She also believes that parental inactivity makes taxpayer funded sex
Speaker 1: education more vital, citing her own parents as an example.
Speaker 1: My parents wouldn't have talked to me about this if
Speaker 1: I hadn't had sex in in school. By now at
Speaker 1: our house, if they start something, it's like, chill, I'm
Speaker 1: not fifteen anymore. Katie isn't a virgin. This has been
Speaker 1: now and she isn't ashamed of it. She became sexually
Speaker 1: active at age nineteen and has had three sexual partners.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with premarital sex, she tells me. I
Speaker 1: got over that idea. I feel I can make rational
Speaker 1: decisions armed with what I learned in nine years of
Speaker 1: the same class. Repeating sex is appropriate when the person
Speaker 1: is mentally ready to have sex, and with it's not
Speaker 1: a result of the pressure to fit in, and when
Speaker 1: she's mature enough to not have any regrets. Still, Katie
Speaker 1: doesn't want her parents to know more about her sexual
Speaker 1: history because they still think it's wrong, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to open that can of worms. For that reason,
Speaker 1: her name has been changed to protect her privacy. Katie
Speaker 1: isn't above average girl and would be considered in this
Speaker 1: day and age as sexually well adjusted citizen. Her views
Speaker 1: on sex education and section general are shared by many
Speaker 1: of her peers. Premarital sex isn't seen as wrong as
Speaker 1: long as you're ready for it, and sex education is
Speaker 1: supposed to prepare you for it. With this kind of logic,
Speaker 1: it's not hard to see why kids are being sexualized
Speaker 1: at younger and younger ages. The younger the kids are
Speaker 1: when sex, said against the more they know at a
Speaker 1: younger age. The more they know, the more prepared they are.
Speaker 1: The more prepared they are, the more societal approval they
Speaker 1: were received when they try to have sex, and societal
Speaker 1: approval means societal encouragement. She didn't have sex until she
Speaker 1: was nineteen. That's not early been, it's it's a perfectly
Speaker 1: reasonable age to lose your virginia. He's making the opposite
Speaker 1: point the entire time. She's very reasonable. Everything she's saying
Speaker 1: is true and fine. It sounds like she's happy and
Speaker 1: didn't have sex before, she was ready for everything. Fine,
Speaker 1: then she went to Harvard. She's brilliant, she's clearly doing lunch.
Speaker 1: And then at the very end he's like, but tragically
Speaker 1: Katie died, Like what do you what's left? Turn? And
Speaker 1: he's literally say, because of all the sex said Katie received,
Speaker 1: She waited until she was nineteen and had sex responsibly
Speaker 1: and is a happy, successful young person, So we shouldn't
Speaker 1: get get a sex said, because they fuck younger, like
Speaker 1: we might wind up like Katie in Harvard, she said,
Speaker 1: I took sex, said for nine years, and now I
Speaker 1: am in Harvard, and I have made responsible and happy
Speaker 1: choices about my sex life. And he's like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to write a book so people can know the horror
Speaker 1: of what you've gone through, Katie. Yeah, it's it's fucking incredible. Um.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say the truth is that knowledge
Speaker 1: and information aren't cure alls. In fact, they can do
Speaker 1: serious damage to children. Wow, that is conservatism in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: Knowledge and information are dangerous for children. Don't give them that,
Speaker 1: Like does he not even remember the more you know?
Speaker 1: Like NBC, God, it's like not even controversial to think
Speaker 1: that knowing more things is good. So fucking tool back,
Speaker 1: He's such a tool And I do I think we
Speaker 1: should apologize to Katie the fact that he the way
Speaker 1: he was leading this was I expected her to be
Speaker 1: like my generation wound up, sucked up because of all this. Like, No,
Speaker 1: she's seems like a very healthy person. Katie is great,
Speaker 1: and she she seems radly agreed to talk to Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro because she's like, this loser needs to fucking talk
Speaker 1: to a woman. Yeah, maybe this will help him be
Speaker 1: less miserable. Coulter. You know, it's very funny. Also, like
Speaker 1: the fact that she's had three sexual partners, been clearly
Speaker 1: considered scandalous, even though she's probably in her early twenties. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty normal number. Um, even maybe good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Oh god? Um? You know who
Speaker 1: else fucks constantly? And I just mean knee deep in
Speaker 1: steaming genitalia. Oh I know the answer to this. The
Speaker 1: purchasers of the upcoming goods and services. Well, yeah, the
Speaker 1: them and the ads just constantly fucking, both our advertisers
Speaker 1: and the people who buy it from them, boning NonStop.
Speaker 1: The whole sea of jism one whole, two, whole, three, whole, four,
Speaker 1: whole get it. Yeah, there's no such thing as too
Speaker 1: many holes when you're listening to these ads. Ah, we're back.
Speaker 1: It is incredible how barely we have scratched the surface
Speaker 1: of the wrongness of this book, because all of it
Speaker 1: is just profoundly fucking wrong. Um. So Ben Shapiro has
Speaker 1: just dropped the visis statement of American conservatism, which is
Speaker 1: that knowledge and information are dangerous to children. Um. What
Speaker 1: supporters of the full frontal version of sex said don't
Speaker 1: understand is that knowledge is power, and only when the
Speaker 1: person armed with the knowledge is capable of making a
Speaker 1: fully rational and informed decision. Wait, what knowledge is power
Speaker 1: only when the person armed with the knowledge is capable
Speaker 1: of making a fully rash and informed decision. What helps
Speaker 1: people make rational informed decisions? Been? Is it knowledge? Children
Speaker 1: are not capable of such a rational decision. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say Katie didn't fun till she was nineteen.
Speaker 1: So what are you talking about? The Clearly children are
Speaker 1: capable of understanding a lot. It sounds like she waited
Speaker 1: until she was an adult. Um and and ready, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just everything. Ben says, it's wrong, it's incredible. Um
Speaker 1: ka heim Nowitz, author of Ready or Not What Happens
Speaker 1: when we treat children as small adults, argues that anti culturalists,
Speaker 1: people who believe that childhood sexuality left on its own,
Speaker 1: free of social interference, will flourish and grow in healthy ways,
Speaker 1: have overestimated the choosing power of children trained of all
Speaker 1: feeling but physical pleasure rationalized into fine power of children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just book from J. K. Rowling that teaches you
Speaker 1: that it's not okay to be you. It's not okay
Speaker 1: to be you. Knowledge is bad. Children can't be trusted
Speaker 1: with knowledge because they're not rational, and they can't be
Speaker 1: rational until they're informed, but don't inform them of things. UM.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Um, it's just awesome in its wrongness. And
Speaker 1: I wish, you know, we I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: this would be a one off and we would just
Speaker 1: get through this everything. It's so fascinatingly wrong, Sophia and
Speaker 1: so many it's too insane. There's no way, there's no
Speaker 1: way this is a one partner. No, no, we have
Speaker 1: to continue this for today. I want to just give
Speaker 1: everyone an overview of the rest of this book. So
Speaker 1: Chapter three Campus Carnality, Loser. What a fucking loser? College
Speaker 1: life for the porn generation is the social liberals dream? Incredible?
Speaker 1: That's the opening sentences inte Ben to a party, So
Speaker 1: you can stop being such a fucking toolbag. Chapter four
Speaker 1: Pop Tarts that you're wondering what that is a reference to.
Speaker 1: It starts with official recipe for pop stardom. Start with
Speaker 1: a cute pubescent tend to twelve year old girl again
Speaker 1: creepy time to include cute. Next step two to three
Speaker 1: years virginal, wholesome, faux innocent play acting Disney Channel brand
Speaker 1: highly recommended. Two years ambiguous, semi pedophilic, convorting, two years
Speaker 1: sexual discovery, dirty dancing, ex rated lyrics, and or promiscuity
Speaker 1: for extra sales. Just at a smattering of bisexuality. Voila,
Speaker 1: you've transformed yourself into a platinum record artist. Keep it
Speaker 1: up for twenty years and you might even win a
Speaker 1: Madonna Award for profit driven slettiness. Jesus Christ, I like
Speaker 1: that adding bisexuality increases your market value, because I have
Speaker 1: not found that that's worked out for me. Robert um
Speaker 1: that increased your market value? Let me know. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think it has. As chapter five where pimps
Speaker 1: and hose run free, I'm sure this is going to
Speaker 1: be the one where he talks about hip hop. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say this is fucking definitely throwing rocks at wrap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god yeah. Chapter six teeny boppers. Okay your seven.
Speaker 1: Didn't you already talk about the pre professing girls? That
Speaker 1: was pop stars? I think Chapter seven aber Crappie and Bitch.
Speaker 1: It opens with him yelling about Janet Jackson at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Grade Chapter eight TV versus Virginity, Chapter nine
Speaker 1: Porn and Pop Joe versus the Volgano. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it is exactly. It's actually just word for word the
Speaker 1: script of that of that actually pretty good and kind
Speaker 1: of anti capitalist film. Chapter ten, The Lotion Picture Industry,
Speaker 1: God damn it. Chapter eleven Taking a stand, Oh god oh.
Speaker 1: Chapter twelve is a roundtable discussion with Michelle, Malcolm, Rod Drere,
Speaker 1: and father John C. McCluskey from Opus Day. I don't know, wow, wow, Oh, Sophia.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fun with this in the months to come.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now, what a delicious
Speaker 1: turn of events. Speaking of coming, you know what Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro has never done in his life? Please a woman? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anybody really, Um, anybody, Sofia, This is all the time
Speaker 1: we have for today. Um, you wanna, you wanna, you wanna,
Speaker 1: you know, do your plugs with stuff. With the plugs
Speaker 1: and the things. You can find me on Twitter and
Speaker 1: Instagram at the Sophia so f I y A. And
Speaker 1: you can listen to my podcast about love and sex
Speaker 1: called Private Parts Unknown, where it's hosted by me and
Speaker 1: Pertney Kosak and we definitely fuck. And then the other
Speaker 1: podcast I co host is with Miles Gray and it's
Speaker 1: called where We Get high and talk about It's real fun. Well, um,
Speaker 1: check that out. I am returning Ben Shapiro's book Porn
Speaker 1: Generation for offensive content until next time. Um Sophia, thank
Speaker 1: you for this and thank you all for listening. Until
Speaker 1: next time. Remember, don't ever fuck, and knowledge is deadly.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your books, burn your books. Christ