Speaker 1: On today's episode The.
Speaker 2: Command Center Podcast, we're talking running backs and the franchise tag.
Speaker 2: Why aren't teams investing in that position anymore? These guys,
Speaker 2: Fred Santana give a great perspective on that. And then
Speaker 2: with the combine to participate or not to participate?
Speaker 1: That is the question Drake.
Speaker 2: Made, jayde Daniels, Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Junior on the
Speaker 2: fence about participating. What are the pros and cons of that?
Speaker 2: And a two thousand and one redraft Man. You guys
Speaker 2: know those guys really well in that class, your greatness,
Speaker 2: you're greatness. Where does Santana and Fred go in that draft?
Speaker 2: And then we got a buttercake fake off. Zach Selby's
Speaker 2: back with a vengeance Kenny Deliver to Welcome to the
Speaker 2: Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Smooth
Speaker 2: the Mouth of the South and Santana, Mossy and Dude
Speaker 2: Tanna the sweatsuits.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's that ocean green right theah.
Speaker 2: It's a nice it's a nice look. Man.
Speaker 4: Man, ma could just put on this west soon and
Speaker 4: be come to I put cloth. That's my that's my
Speaker 4: biggest thing. When when when it's cold out, I hate
Speaker 4: putting on all those jackets and sweaters, so I just
Speaker 4: gots Now, you.
Speaker 3: Can tell this dude like he plans the night before,
Speaker 3: like what he's gonna wear wanted.
Speaker 4: Look, I actually took this out the wrapper this morning,
Speaker 4: took it out.
Speaker 2: The bag at the creation and look at it.
Speaker 4: I went in there out the bag to pop the
Speaker 4: tags off it. I went in, I went in my
Speaker 4: hat rack and they're going to have to match it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I do. Man.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I have to map it out
Speaker 4: like we did in high school.
Speaker 2: The other thing that I just wanted to point out is,
Speaker 2: in addition to Santana always being fresh fitted in the
Speaker 2: Logan Pulse and Fred smooth sports competitiveness, I think I'm winning, right,
Speaker 2: my winning like field goals and basketball.
Speaker 3: Right, you dominate me in basketball because you're just huge.
Speaker 3: Let's just start there, and you're strong and I was
Speaker 3: in no shape.
Speaker 1: You're winning and the kicking just brute force, Like that's
Speaker 1: what you did.
Speaker 2: It was a little technique there. But the thing I
Speaker 2: wanted to bring up is last night, you know, getting
Speaker 2: hanging out with my wife and I get a text
Speaker 2: from old Fred that's smooth old to twenty one on
Speaker 2: the bowling man, that was pretty good.
Speaker 4: I hope he get all that out the way right now,
Speaker 4: and by the time he get there on tape, he
Speaker 4: stinks I didn't wear his game.
Speaker 1: Because I went to forty one to forty one.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like, and it says it's got his
Speaker 2: bowling name Istano.
Speaker 3: Sit snap my finger. Half of the pins in the
Speaker 3: world disappeared.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, man, I just feel like
Speaker 2: the fact you sent that to me means like I'm
Speaker 2: in your head a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I just want to let you know what
Speaker 1: you're about to get in.
Speaker 4: And he showing he's showing, he's showing you that he
Speaker 4: can be himself on the lane.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He can't be himself out there doing anything athletic.
Speaker 1: You don't need you don't need. No, you need to
Speaker 1: be safe. You gotta be an athlete to go bowls. No,
Speaker 1: because I bowled gets A couple of seventy year olds
Speaker 1: yesterday talked all kind of trash too. They did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the who's the famous bowler guy? He just
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Speaker 2: Yeah, please do do that. So yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's a good bowling square.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was kind of scared me a little bit because
Speaker 4: I'm rusty. I haven't been out there as much.
Speaker 1: Both to right, I can bowl to youall. I have
Speaker 1: my own ball.
Speaker 2: I don't have I just use one thing. But if
Speaker 2: I do beat.
Speaker 4: You, if you're not going, I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: might I have to go out and give me a
Speaker 4: game or two wins?
Speaker 1: Bread is out there, get that work in. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do it.
Speaker 3: I'm bowl That's just my leads. You're like if I need,
Speaker 3: like if I'm having a scutch for day, I'm asked
Speaker 3: that all the time.
Speaker 4: What do I do for fun? And bowling was one
Speaker 4: of them, Like I haven't done it in a while.
Speaker 4: Now for fun, I'm riding the bike, working out or something,
Speaker 4: you know, what I mean. But that's my fun. Like
Speaker 4: I go bowl like normally when I take my kids
Speaker 4: out on the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going. Both we're going, and I'm the same way.
Speaker 4: It's a great time because when I was young, I
Speaker 4: grew up with my grandmother's home, and you got to think,
Speaker 4: we come from some of these kind of upbringings where
Speaker 4: you have your.
Speaker 1: Mom or the siblings in the house and they have kids.
Speaker 4: And so the way that we got out the house
Speaker 4: from being all crammed up in one big old crib
Speaker 4: is to go bowling or go skating. So those are
Speaker 4: the two things that I down South, yep, you know
Speaker 4: as a youth that now you know, I kind of
Speaker 4: try to do it now, you know.
Speaker 3: I call them beer anticified sports, meaning I could drink
Speaker 3: beer and get better.
Speaker 1: Like darts, darts, bowling, golf, corn hole, corn hole, corn hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're getting better after a few beer. Yeah.
Speaker 3: God, when you do golf tournaments, Let's say we had
Speaker 3: ten of golf tournament.
Speaker 1: By the third hole.
Speaker 3: One of my eyes is closed, so I'm seeing in
Speaker 3: the matrix.
Speaker 1: I don't even see grants. I just see numbers.
Speaker 4: That's actually when I get better because I can't golf
Speaker 4: by the time I had the second round of that titos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just slapping that thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you think too much in golf, you
Speaker 3: will feel so it takes the edge off.
Speaker 1: And Jay challenged me to coin hole.
Speaker 3: All right, but I learned how to play coin hole
Speaker 3: by horseshoes, which horseshoes is harder to play the corn hole,
Speaker 3: So defoe, I am a specialist?
Speaker 2: Is it theave a comment if you think horse shoes
Speaker 2: are harder than corn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you get the horseshoes hard.
Speaker 2: Is that that? Yeah, I'm not saying horseshoes is easy,
Speaker 2: just saying like.
Speaker 1: It's harder than corn hole.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, what do you think, Jason, you're the expert.
Speaker 5: I'm not an expert. Horseshoes is hard. I'm better than
Speaker 5: Fred at cornhole.
Speaker 1: No, he's not. We will see my.
Speaker 5: Own corn hole boards like every Saturday.
Speaker 1: For like somebody say I'm good at football, and I
Speaker 1: made my own football. Nobody cared that you made a
Speaker 1: peak skin. But my way around what I do.
Speaker 2: What I will say Fred is you say you're good
Speaker 2: at everything. That you say you're good at everything, There's
Speaker 2: never been one thing where I'm like, you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm okay at that.
Speaker 3: And then some stuff when we were talking now, they
Speaker 3: were like, how are you in back gambling now, like,
Speaker 3: I'm not good at that.
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Well, I don't even know what
Speaker 2: to say to that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's He just said he
Speaker 1: can play ping Pauls.
Speaker 4: So that means he can play tennis tennis.
Speaker 1: Every time every town.
Speaker 2: We do that for our next contest, pickleball. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: never played.
Speaker 5: You know, he's also very good at pickleball? Is intern Caroline?
Speaker 2: Is she that's not surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought she was good at soccer. I want to
Speaker 1: see she's very good at time.
Speaker 2: Also, I was disappointed on that day were kicking field goals.
Speaker 1: She was not good.
Speaker 2: She was not good at kicking field goals. So she
Speaker 2: had soccer though, really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, national champion.
Speaker 1: I know she was probably she was on the team,
Speaker 1: she was the start. Pretty good, She's pretty good.
Speaker 2: She just disappointed.
Speaker 1: We need to watch the field.
Speaker 2: Watch do that tonight watching turn Caroline.
Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of soccer, we did go to it, well,
Speaker 3: I did. He was supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: I went to I went to DC United.
Speaker 3: Game, okay, and it was very good and just is
Speaker 3: it such a different audi?
Speaker 1: Oudy stated, such a.
Speaker 3: Different football crowd, So I enjoyed it. A lot of
Speaker 3: international people there. It's just the way they roared. And
Speaker 3: I can say this about soccer. They get excited about
Speaker 3: these smallest things. Deal yeah, because he's like, no scoring.
Speaker 1: You can't get excited about goals, yea, up and down
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 3: So a guy put a little effort into a player
Speaker 3: get a red card or something. The crowd, I'm like,
Speaker 3: did I just miss something? And I'm just there like
Speaker 3: ted least, so I'm just.
Speaker 1: Let me enjoining it. But it was a it was
Speaker 1: a good game, a good crowd. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's awesome. Intenda.
Speaker 4: You didn't trying to rub it in that I didn't
Speaker 4: show up, but I was. We both had events that
Speaker 4: that that Saturday. I called him after my event, like, hey,
Speaker 4: what time you go into the stadium?
Speaker 1: That's the night?
Speaker 4: Howse Like, I'm like, well, all right, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go home. Call me on your way there.
Speaker 1: He won. He didn't call me.
Speaker 4: And two when I woke up, it was eight o'clock,
Speaker 4: so I missed. You know what, I mean, so I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not tripping, but they was trying to bring
Speaker 4: us out to a local local DC athletes. Yep, so
Speaker 4: Fred was there. I was supposed to be the speed.
Speaker 4: Mitch Quarters was there, b Mitch, which I appreciating them,
Speaker 4: So hass off to them for acknowledging those guys from points.
Speaker 1: The DMV should do it more. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it just giving the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But it's an I gonna make it.
Speaker 2: All right, Well it's I'm glad. I'm glad you had
Speaker 2: fun up the soccer game. Now let's talk about some
Speaker 2: football a right. So kind of big big news coming
Speaker 2: out of this week is that a lot of these
Speaker 2: kind of big time running backs, yeah, are not going
Speaker 2: to get the franchise tag. So Ya Sakwon Barkley is
Speaker 2: not going to get it. Josh Jacobs did he get it? No,
Speaker 2: not going to get it. Tony Pollard, Derrick, Henry Ausneckler
Speaker 2: not going to get franchise tag. They're going to be
Speaker 2: free agents probably. How do you guys feel about that?
Speaker 2: Because you guys come from like a different era for
Speaker 2: y'all where the running back was that they do do.
Speaker 2: They were They were like the.
Speaker 4: Thing that twenty million when I was you know, Stephen
Speaker 4: Davis was making banks.
Speaker 2: And they were the guys that were the drivers of
Speaker 2: the offense. And so how do you feel about seeing
Speaker 2: kind of this departure from that kind of traditional view
Speaker 2: of football.
Speaker 1: It sucks.
Speaker 4: I think it sucks to me just knowing that you
Speaker 4: asked the running back to do a little more. Now.
Speaker 4: I mean, most of these guys are pass catches as well,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 4: You don't have many to You don't have too many
Speaker 4: of these guys that's just coming in primarily on third down.
Speaker 4: You have most of your legit guys, like if you
Speaker 4: look at this list of names, say Kwan Barkley, Paul
Speaker 4: Up last year was his first year having a fourth
Speaker 4: time row, Derick Henry could do both, Austin Elker, all
Speaker 4: these guys can do both.
Speaker 1: John say, all these guys are basically McCaffrey's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: They can run the ball between the tackles and you
Speaker 4: put them out there.
Speaker 1: On any route and they're dangerous.
Speaker 4: So when you look at that part of it and
Speaker 4: say you're actually these guys.
Speaker 1: To say, okay, take less and be happy.
Speaker 4: It's hard, especially some of these guys that come up
Speaker 4: their first contract, so they getting ready to get the
Speaker 4: big money and now you're saying that you know you're
Speaker 4: not worthy of it.
Speaker 1: So I find it hard.
Speaker 4: But also one of the things about this game, nature
Speaker 4: of the beasts, you have to kind of roll with
Speaker 4: the punches. And but what I'm thinking when you're saying saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: these guys are not going to get the fourteen million.
Speaker 4: If they was franchised, they'd be worth around what fourteen
Speaker 4: fifteen million, So you say and that no team really
Speaker 4: willing to do that right now, they wanted to take
Speaker 4: take a deal. And so who's going to basically set it,
Speaker 4: set the ball? Say who's going to set the bar
Speaker 4: and say, Okay, this is what we're worth. And that's
Speaker 4: when I think it's going to be kind of one
Speaker 4: of those things that's going to become a problem because
Speaker 4: it might it might be a guy to there, it
Speaker 4: might be the guy that set the bar and the
Speaker 4: other guys feel like, no, I'm worth more. So when
Speaker 4: we see these guys out, that's the thing that we're
Speaker 4: not actually hold hold out.
Speaker 2: I dot they hold out, but we would Johnson Taylor
Speaker 2: kind of do like a shooto.
Speaker 1: Last year, Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3: But it's one of the things we watched positions be
Speaker 3: devalued all the time when we got in the NFL,
Speaker 3: running back was devalued and they was devail you and
Speaker 3: wide receivers. So at the end of the day, we
Speaker 3: see this tree in all the time. But guess what
Speaker 3: come playoff come cold games, guess what were handing the
Speaker 3: ball off to, Like, come, come, come. If you want
Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl, you can't just throw your
Speaker 3: way to it. You got to run your way to it.
Speaker 3: So at one point, I think Jonathan Taylor, I think
Speaker 3: did what we thought Saquon was gonna do, not hold
Speaker 3: out b D standard like McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor are
Speaker 3: the standard. Like I think the best players in your
Speaker 3: league at the position.
Speaker 1: Set the tone for the position.
Speaker 3: So Jonathan Taylor means so much to the coach that
Speaker 3: if they lose him, they go a different direction. So
Speaker 3: to have that value and hold that value, I think
Speaker 3: the top guys at the position have to make that standard.
Speaker 3: And maybe the top guys not staying healthy, not doing it,
Speaker 3: that's making them say I can find.
Speaker 4: Me a check up, but also with what Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 4: did last year, it shined the light in a different
Speaker 4: light because Zach Moss went out there and was his
Speaker 4: backup and performed really well, basically resurrected himself because he
Speaker 4: hadn't had a first year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That was kind of holding up to what he was
Speaker 4: supposed to come in this league and be. So I
Speaker 4: can kind of honestly say that Jonathan Taylor, it was
Speaker 4: kind of surprising that they still went on on and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll give you the deal you want. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that's the deal he really wanted, but they gave him
Speaker 4: something long term. But they could have backfired and win
Speaker 4: a different round.
Speaker 1: But they also did there because they got a quarterback
Speaker 1: on a rookie deal. Like the teams.
Speaker 3: That that might need, these guys did one player away.
Speaker 3: How can they pay this guy when I'm paying Ja Hurts, Yeah,
Speaker 3: two hundred million.
Speaker 2: Well, so I also think it's you know you, Tennas said.
Speaker 2: Tennis said a couple of really good things. But one
Speaker 2: of the things he said is that you're asking running
Speaker 2: backs to do more, and I would argue that you're
Speaker 2: actually asking them to do less and what I mean
Speaker 2: by that, you're asking them to do more in terms
Speaker 2: of catching.
Speaker 1: The football, pass protect.
Speaker 2: But like, think about like when you guys were in
Speaker 2: the league, Like who was like the guy like at
Speaker 2: the running backs, Andrew j Priest, Hall Henry. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: think about those guys. They're getting thirty touches a game,
Speaker 2: thirty five touches a game. Right now, when you look
Speaker 2: around the league, the guys that get that that that
Speaker 2: kind of workload are Derrick Henry and I think he's
Speaker 2: there the tail end of his career. Christian McCaffrey and
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, and so those guys, when you look at
Speaker 2: their contract values are I think no one would say
Speaker 2: they're getting paid too much. They're all making about fourteen
Speaker 2: to fifteen million dollars a year because of what they
Speaker 2: mean to their teams. But now I think, you know,
Speaker 2: you mentioned the quarterback being a little bit more valuable
Speaker 2: a Tanna. You made the comparison to McCaffrey, like McCaffrey
Speaker 2: drives that offense, and yeah, San Francisco, right, he's catching
Speaker 2: the football, he's running the football. And when I look
Speaker 2: at these other names, right, I think you could maybe
Speaker 2: make an argument for Josh Jacobs, but does he drive
Speaker 2: it the same way that Derrick Henry does that, the
Speaker 2: same way that Christian McCaffrey does. Tony Pollard I think
Speaker 2: struggled with that this year. Alstin Eckler, I think he's
Speaker 2: on the tail end, didn't quite get it done from
Speaker 2: a running standpoint. Obviously catches a ton of balls. Saquan
Speaker 2: again a guy that's close, but I don't think is
Speaker 2: in that same tier. So to me, when I look
Speaker 2: at h I'm saying, there's only three guys in the
Speaker 2: league that are playing like running backs were in two
Speaker 2: thousand and one when you guys came to the league.
Speaker 2: So in some ways like and those are the guys
Speaker 2: that are making the most money. It's just that the
Speaker 2: role for the running back is very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 4: I mean that's a great point, that's a great way
Speaker 4: to even look at it. But what I was just
Speaker 4: saying is not even if you're not the driver, you're
Speaker 4: not the guy that they running the offense through.
Speaker 1: You out there, you out there that you put your
Speaker 1: body one.
Speaker 4: You know, whether you're getting thirty carries to twenty, but
Speaker 4: the touches wise, you're getting forty because they find a
Speaker 4: way to get you the ball in space and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: To me, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, These guys have the same
Speaker 4: skill set of a McCaffrey, not ruler, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, not the workload, but the same.
Speaker 3: Skill See did the standard is set by, like say,
Speaker 3: the top three guys at each position.
Speaker 4: What the office has changed so so so drastically to
Speaker 4: where you know, we used to those guys saying, okay,
Speaker 4: the game online, We're gonna run this ball now, game online.
Speaker 4: We spread them out even more, were putting four wives
Speaker 4: that we finding a way to get a tight end
Speaker 4: out there into the passing game and then making that
Speaker 4: running back be the last you know, last resort or something.
Speaker 4: So that's how I look at I'm looking at the
Speaker 4: game has changed. But why you know, devalue these guys
Speaker 4: because your offense change. They're still allowed to go out
Speaker 4: there and make a difference if you need to get
Speaker 4: in that kind of vis So when one position devalues,
Speaker 4: another position value goes up. I think the tight end
Speaker 4: position has been the value over the time, and now
Speaker 4: he's going, well.
Speaker 2: So what I would say this is, this is a
Speaker 2: really interesting point about football just in general. I think
Speaker 2: over the last twenty years is you're talking about devaluing positions,
Speaker 2: So think about it. Tight Ends, I think are getting devalued,
Speaker 2: running backs are getting devalued. Receiver value is going on.
Speaker 2: And I think when you look at college offenses, high
Speaker 2: school offenses, NFL offenses, the easiest player outside the quarterback
Speaker 2: to feature in an offense from a past game standpoint
Speaker 2: is the quarterback. And you look around the league you say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know Kittle does a really good job of impacting,
Speaker 2: or Mark Andrews does a really good job of impacting,
Speaker 2: or name those three running backs we talked about. But
Speaker 2: all of those guys have a plan from the coordinator
Speaker 2: on how to utilize them. Like I look at Kyle Pits,
Speaker 2: He's one of the most talented guys I've ever evaluated
Speaker 2: come out of college like awesome, But Arthur Smith didn't
Speaker 2: have a plan to you for maximizing him, right, So
Speaker 2: it's to me it becomes a position that that that
Speaker 2: is now predicated on how my coordinator can utilize my
Speaker 2: skill set as opposed to a receiver where it's like
Speaker 2: I know how to do that. I'm very comfort for
Speaker 2: ball with with maximizing that does that make sense?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: So? Like, That's where I get to the point where
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're Kyle Shanahan, you have a great
Speaker 2: plan for Christian McCaffrey. If you're there the OC in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: you have a great plan for Mark Andrews. If you're
Speaker 2: any read, you have a great plan for Travis kelcey.
Speaker 2: But if you're one of these other guys, how do
Speaker 2: I use you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: He go to great comparison. Who had the better running
Speaker 3: back in the Super Bowl forty nine ers? It's easy,
Speaker 3: all right, But who had the better quarterback?
Speaker 1: The kid the City Chiefs.
Speaker 3: That allowed them to have a back that does a
Speaker 3: little less enough enough to get it done. So they
Speaker 3: go to value tests right there. The value test is
Speaker 3: one cannot put me on his back like the other
Speaker 3: one can.
Speaker 4: And often say the difference between that game was just
Speaker 4: there's a quarterback that been there before that knows what
Speaker 4: to do when the time is on the line, to say, okay,
Speaker 4: all I need to make a couple of plays with
Speaker 4: my feet to keep us going to get us in
Speaker 4: you know, in position, and the rest should be history.
Speaker 4: And that's how I look at that game, because if
Speaker 4: you had to ask me who played to you the
Speaker 4: better game, yeah, it would have been San fran I
Speaker 4: feel like they had they played the best throughout that game,
Speaker 4: just some key moments right.
Speaker 1: Value right there to me.
Speaker 2: And I think you mentioned Pacheco and attend you said
Speaker 2: this too about how you have they're out there all
Speaker 2: the time. But I do think running backs now are
Speaker 2: getting more specialized. Yeah, and also I think Pachecko is
Speaker 2: the reason. And who's the backup running back in San
Speaker 2: Francisco Elijah Mitchell, Mitchell Mitch right, And you know Mitchell
Speaker 2: is a sixth round pick. Pachecko is a seventh round pick.
Speaker 2: Like look like Gus Edwards is on this list of
Speaker 2: our notable free agency, he's a third round pick. Right,
Speaker 2: you can find Chris Rodriguez is a great example, third
Speaker 2: round pick. Ryan Robinson third round pick. And I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the draft this year, there's no like Bijon Robinson,
Speaker 2: Jami or Gibbs.
Speaker 1: But there's a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of good football players. So it's like, why do
Speaker 2: I need to mortgage mortgage money on a position that
Speaker 2: I can get for really and have a really big
Speaker 2: impact on my team.
Speaker 4: So my next question would be is when when whenever
Speaker 4: one of these guys, the top guys gets signed, what
Speaker 4: would be the what would be the line? And that's saying,
Speaker 4: when it comes to there, you know who what the
Speaker 4: value should be.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. And so so for me, I
Speaker 2: guess I'll go first if I if I'm an offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator and I have a plan for this player. Like
Speaker 2: let's say I'm Derrick Henry, right like, and I want
Speaker 2: I really want Derrick Henry, and I've built my team
Speaker 2: around having a power running back. Let's say, like Dallas
Speaker 2: my example this, I'm going to be willing to pay
Speaker 2: him a significant amount of money to get him in
Speaker 2: there because it's part of my offensive identity, and I
Speaker 2: have a vision for how to maximize his skill set,
Speaker 2: right Or Like let's say, like who else is on
Speaker 2: this list, like Josh Josh Jacobs again more of a
Speaker 2: power back. Let's say say Saquon Barkley gives a better example.
Speaker 2: Let's say I want to use him the way they
Speaker 2: use Christian McCaffrey, and he's going to be a slot receiver.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a back. He can do it
Speaker 2: out mismatched weapon. We're going to get to empty with him,
Speaker 2: We're going to hit him with screens. He's going to
Speaker 2: get fifty percent of our touches. Yeah, and I go
Speaker 2: back to what Kyle did with Christian mc caffrey. They
Speaker 2: give him a ton of draft capital, they gave him
Speaker 2: a contract exception. Everyone thought they were out of their minds.
Speaker 2: But he had a plan. And so if I'm a
Speaker 2: coordinator or a coaching staff or a gem and I've
Speaker 2: got a vision for that player with that type of
Speaker 2: dynamic athletic skill set, I'm gonna pay.
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's find the perfect feet. Because when you
Speaker 3: say sat Kuon Barking, the first thing came in my head.
Speaker 3: What a beat of the overall? Like, oh, they can dominate.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Shanahan's oftfense with my guy in Miami ud.
Speaker 3: Let's say we put Sa Kwon Barkley apported at Miami offense, Awesome.
Speaker 1: I think he turns the page for them. But the
Speaker 1: problem is that you got moist in them.
Speaker 2: They got closer, they got a chane right.
Speaker 1: And you know, go to perfect. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying like that's the thing is like Moster
Speaker 2: was a fifth round pick, just like when you look
Speaker 2: at the running back position, there are so many good players, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just coming to the draft company of the league every year,
Speaker 2: you're like, look at the running back for the l A.
Speaker 2: Rams Williams. They got from Notre Dame. Everyone he was
Speaker 2: he was a fifth round pick. Yeah, and he led
Speaker 2: almost let the leg rushing is.
Speaker 4: This is this simplest So basically what's going on right
Speaker 4: now is most of these guys who are coming in
Speaker 4: in these great situations. Yeah, these offenses are basically allow
Speaker 4: them to exploring their you know, their true natural talents.
Speaker 4: There they sit in the market. Basically, they're actually saying
Speaker 4: that I could just get on the team and be
Speaker 4: dynamic within this offense. And that's the market because I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to be that every down, you know, bulldozer.
Speaker 1: Come in here and be talented on the outside and ins.
Speaker 3: Dis similar to what happened in the NBA. I remember
Speaker 3: when I looked at a center in the NBA and
Speaker 3: they looked more like Shaq yeah and big Perk.
Speaker 1: And now now because of.
Speaker 3: The overseas, the way they talk to play is big men,
Speaker 3: I need to be able to shoot, I need to
Speaker 3: be the dribble now they all like Chit Holnggren and
Speaker 3: like Winn Bana like so it's it's.
Speaker 1: When it changed.
Speaker 3: I think when the when the game changes, because I
Speaker 3: really do think when it comes to playoffs, we go
Speaker 3: right back to the run again.
Speaker 2: You need it. It's still important. You look at teams,
Speaker 2: every team in the playoff. Yeah, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: a coincidence. Was very effective at running in the football.
Speaker 2: Look at the Detroit Lions. They've got Montgomery who is
Speaker 2: a very good player for them. He was a fourth
Speaker 2: round pick. Right, there's just guy. There's just so many
Speaker 2: guys available. James Connor for Arizona, the guy a third
Speaker 2: round pick like that are you don't have to invest
Speaker 2: a lot of draft capital, you don't have to invest
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and it's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 2: find guys like that. I think that that you know
Speaker 2: are are like these that that have roles where they
Speaker 2: need to be top end players, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I think just it ain't enough special running backs to
Speaker 3: set the tone. Like I think it needs to be
Speaker 3: like seven of them for them to really say he
Speaker 3: go out value.
Speaker 1: I think if we look at the lead right.
Speaker 4: Now, but I think I think he made it a valid point. Man,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be guys that offenses allowed him to be
Speaker 4: especially gonna say I'm gonna pay him that because of that.
Speaker 4: And then it's gonna be guys, it's gonna be teams
Speaker 4: that's gonna say, well, I don't need him to be
Speaker 4: I don't need him to be McCaffrey or Henry. So
Speaker 4: this is all I needed to be is to be
Speaker 4: back in a backfield. So this is this is his rate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the other thing is is specifically
Speaker 2: running back is so predicated on your offensive line and
Speaker 2: blocking surface in general, you know, and utilizations. So like
Speaker 2: I look at you know, I look at Philly. That's
Speaker 2: a great example, Like you could you could put any
Speaker 2: running back back there, damn you. I could play running
Speaker 2: back for them because they just do such a good
Speaker 2: job of christ be off I'm gonna de leverage that position.
Speaker 2: But then I look at San fran and they've paid
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. They're not able to pay the offensive line
Speaker 2: the same because Christian McCaffrey makes guys miss, you know,
Speaker 2: he elevates them, and it's very hard to find that dynamic.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just it's a it's an interesting
Speaker 2: evolution of the position of the game. I think ultimately
Speaker 2: that's why we're not seeing those guys make a ton
Speaker 2: of money. It's there's a good, good, good players coming
Speaker 2: out in college and the nature and the role of
Speaker 2: the position has changed. Just remind you we're brought to
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Speaker 1: And Cambler, I need help. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in addition to running backs, you said something there
Speaker 2: that I thought was really interesting, and it's about quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: And we got the NFL Combine coming up. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we've got a lot of guys, a lot of kind
Speaker 2: of big name quarterbacks like you for for a draft.
Speaker 1: You know, we got Kill.
Speaker 2: Williams, Jade Daniels, Drake May, and then there's that kind
Speaker 2: of second tier guys, the bow Nixes, the Michael Pennill.
Speaker 3: I want to say this, shame O'mary Hodges, Shame O'marrah.
Speaker 3: Did you out here with Mary about Caleb ya know,
Speaker 3: you know he's said about Drake May. What he said, No,
Speaker 3: he said that he felt like Drake May was in
Speaker 3: the first round draft picking they got ripping him apart
Speaker 3: on sports MARYL.
Speaker 2: Hodges said that about Drake May. And he also said
Speaker 2: that thing about Caleb.
Speaker 1: Yes, what about what he said about he.
Speaker 2: Said, Caleb Williams is not special.
Speaker 3: Yes, like Mary Hodge could be the hated I thought
Speaker 3: it was Mayo Kuiper. But I think if your name,
Speaker 3: Maryll even close, hate is in your blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta fact check that.
Speaker 3: But even half a bad guy on TV and said,
Speaker 3: come on, Mayrill, like, let's.
Speaker 2: Not do this because I so I saw someone because
Speaker 2: like you know, he came out with the thing about
Speaker 2: Caleb and he came out to thinking about Drake and
Speaker 2: it was that Andyone's like, this guy is the worst quarterback.
Speaker 4: We want to click bait man. That's one of that
Speaker 4: is working.
Speaker 1: And he hit it on the junkies? Did he yesterday?
Speaker 2: Yes, said Drake may is not said Drake may is
Speaker 2: not a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Said he's not a first round pick. Not analytic as
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 3: I said, yes, he's two hundred two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: five pounds six for a running like he runs.
Speaker 1: That's an athlete.
Speaker 4: Look like me, I don't see what like this is
Speaker 4: why I hate this time of year.
Speaker 3: Like when you go through the comeback, when you go
Speaker 3: through the draft process, they are not looking for reasons
Speaker 3: to draft.
Speaker 1: You're looking for reasons not to bring your value down.
Speaker 3: It's just such a terrible time for at least to
Speaker 3: see here.
Speaker 4: I listened to none at the least tell the I mean,
Speaker 4: we all go through that. When they get closer they
Speaker 4: have a guy that's going to sit out there and
Speaker 4: basically pick at everything about your game so it could
Speaker 4: lower your value. Just so that's something that team that
Speaker 4: wanted you in the first round can get you for
Speaker 4: a little cheaper.
Speaker 1: It goes on every year. It's terrible.
Speaker 3: I think you know you don't tear you try to
Speaker 3: tear people down with this stuff.
Speaker 4: You got it, especially after I went out there and
Speaker 4: showed the world what I could do.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean to me, the
Speaker 1: is always into putting.
Speaker 4: If I put it on film, do me as that dude,
Speaker 4: whatever I put on tape, view me as him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna say that out that.
Speaker 2: Also, I think this is really relevant because we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about guys who are first just you got it.
Speaker 2: I want to hear what he said.
Speaker 1: You got it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: Hate hate hate, all right.
Speaker 5: There are a bunch of things that bother me. He's
Speaker 5: talking about Drake.
Speaker 2: Okay, every prospect for things, every process.
Speaker 5: Here's the list. He's extremely inconsistent his accuracy and processing
Speaker 5: or inconsistent. He misses hot routes. He's not extremely athletic,
Speaker 5: and I find him stiff. He's got a large throwing
Speaker 5: motion with which allows more hits in our league than
Speaker 5: he would have in college.
Speaker 1: And I'm just bothered, Mercy. They look he just bother
Speaker 1: it because his wife kicked him out. What it sound like.
Speaker 1: It's sound like he.
Speaker 3: Woke up and chose violence, like it woke up and
Speaker 3: just hate hate, hate or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It's funny.
Speaker 2: Those things bother me too, though, But there's also so
Speaker 2: like you're saying, Tanna, there's also like a whole another
Speaker 2: bucket of stuff that offsets that. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing. Fans, if you're listening to this, please heed this.
Speaker 2: There are things you can find wrong with everybody.
Speaker 1: Person. Thing is a perfect prospect because.
Speaker 2: Remember it's not a one to one. The NFL and
Speaker 2: college football are not the same, right, It's a projection.
Speaker 2: So you're projecting how this guy is going to be.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Jane Daniels. Do I think they're both
Speaker 2: good football players? Yes, who's going to be the better
Speaker 2: pro I don't know. Nobody The problem knows is the
Speaker 2: NFL has no idea. They're terrible at it. So in
Speaker 2: the spirit of this of picking things that guys are
Speaker 2: not good at, we've got the quarterbacks we're talking about
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels, Kayla Williams, Marvin Harrison Junior, and possibly Drake
Speaker 2: may are not doing anything outside of the interviews at
Speaker 2: the combine. If you were first reaction to that, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Is it a big deal I have my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been in no shoes when you have
Speaker 4: the kind of leverage that most of those guys have. Yep,
Speaker 4: back when I did it in O one, the pro
Speaker 4: day wasn't the the it thing. Your pro day wasn't
Speaker 4: it thing. It was like, come to the combine. Oh,
Speaker 4: I remember having the guys in my ear, some of
Speaker 4: those scouts, Well, this is the first this is the
Speaker 4: only time you're gonna get to see me.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the only time I'm gonna get to
Speaker 1: compare you against all these other guys.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I'm coming back down to
Speaker 4: Miami and I'm sitting up there like, well, you're gonna
Speaker 4: miss the show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it was leverage. It was all about leverage, you know.
Speaker 4: So we had designated a safe I guess you could
Speaker 4: say a safe haven that we could come here and
Speaker 4: shrut our stuff because we was that kind of a team.
Speaker 1: And everybody's gonna come down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Miami, and all our things that we did testing
Speaker 4: wise was already graded because of other guys from other
Speaker 4: schools that have come and who don't get invited to
Speaker 4: the combines. They was coming doing their pro days at
Speaker 4: our school. So when we knew that we was approved
Speaker 4: by the NFL to use these measurements from forty from
Speaker 4: the vertical jump all that stuff, We're like, okay, so
Speaker 4: why would we go to combine. We go to Combine,
Speaker 4: we'll we'll talk to the interview blah, and then we'll
Speaker 4: come here and do the same stuff that these other
Speaker 4: guys who wasn't allowed to go to pro I mean
Speaker 4: to the combine, who took their tests here.
Speaker 1: And that's why we did it.
Speaker 4: But now as everyone has, everyone has a pro day,
Speaker 4: So why is it a big problem?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Like to Tanni's point, I think that's
Speaker 2: exactly right. Like so at the combine, like you know,
Speaker 2: Jason and I have gone the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: You know, I've never gotten as a player, but I
Speaker 2: have guys that go, like guys that I've trained that go,
Speaker 2: and it is not set up for you to be
Speaker 2: physically successful now, So What I mean by that is
Speaker 2: like they'll keep you up until ten thirty at night
Speaker 2: nine and it is I got to go to the hospital,
Speaker 2: get my mri. It's eleven twelve o'clock.
Speaker 1: Forget the eye.
Speaker 3: I gotta go get like paints of blood, tut my bone,
Speaker 3: marrow chick. And then you're gonna give me some chocolate
Speaker 3: and tell me to run a forty. And that's not
Speaker 3: doing that, So.
Speaker 4: Take a long thick ass book tests and then talking
Speaker 4: all right, not go out here and run, like my
Speaker 4: mind gone, I ain't ready to go.
Speaker 2: So they don't care about your performance there. I mean,
Speaker 2: they want the number, they want the information. But like
Speaker 2: I remember, I've been talking to my guys last year
Speaker 2: there or two years ago, the tight end guys that
Speaker 2: I was working with, and I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: so they got you. I was it was eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: at night and they were just getting out of their
Speaker 2: physical yeah, And I was like, Okay, what do you
Speaker 2: got tomorrow? You'll be able to sleep in a little bit.
Speaker 2: They're like, no, I got to get up at seven
Speaker 2: o'clock because I got.
Speaker 1: To go back to the hospital. And I was like what.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like then you're gonna do then, So
Speaker 2: the way this is two years ago, then you had
Speaker 2: to bench press before you ran forty, which I would
Speaker 2: never do. So why why even risk not putting your
Speaker 2: best foot forward, especially if you've got the leverage right if.
Speaker 3: You're if you're the top three in year old position
Speaker 3: coming out had to come back.
Speaker 1: I did all my interviews.
Speaker 2: You should should do, that's important.
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. My age was like, it ain't
Speaker 3: nothing you need to do speak for itself.
Speaker 2: So like for Marvin Harrison Junior, for example, when you
Speaker 2: watch the film, if I'm his agent, I'm like, the
Speaker 2: only thing that can happen if.
Speaker 1: You go is go down.
Speaker 2: It's bad is you run a four or five and
Speaker 2: then you're not as fast as people think. And Molik
Speaker 2: Neighbors comes out and runs a fourteen.
Speaker 1: Home a doomsday come come out him run a faux fo.
Speaker 2: And so you know, this reminds me of like last
Speaker 2: year or two years ago with Drake London, Like everyone
Speaker 2: wanted Drake London to run and he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna run, and everyone's like he might be slow,
Speaker 2: and it's like he can either you can either think
Speaker 2: he's slow or he can actually run, and then you
Speaker 2: know he's slow, So why do I want that? And
Speaker 2: it's like he and he was still a top top
Speaker 2: twelve take. Yeah, he was a second receiver taken, which
Speaker 2: I'm okay with, right, Yeah, And but if he goes
Speaker 2: out and runs a four to six, he might not
Speaker 2: go in the first run. Yeah, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, that's kind of what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: So why even bother?
Speaker 1: We will it?
Speaker 2: And we're talking about a select group of guys here,
Speaker 2: Like you know, this is mark. I'm telling Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: the cleanest receiver evaluation I've ever had.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a good pro. Don't do anything anything.
Speaker 2: But if you're if you're key On Coleman from Florida State,
Speaker 2: Oh doue, Johnny Wilson, you gotta go, Julie, right, go
Speaker 2: put on a show and like move up the board, right,
Speaker 2: show people that you got value. And so for the quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: let's talk about them real quick. I mean to me,
Speaker 2: it's like, obviously don't do it, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I think so too.
Speaker 4: When it comes to the quarterbacks, they want more of
Speaker 4: those guys to give you got something to do. Who's
Speaker 4: sitting there and watching in the stand study. The more
Speaker 4: quarterbacks we have there, especially premiere guys, we get to
Speaker 4: see see what these guys got going on. And we're
Speaker 4: not just up here talking about where we're goin to
Speaker 4: go have a drink at later on, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? I see those quarterbacks, man, and to me, honestly,
Speaker 4: I've been why I pay close attention to the draft
Speaker 4: more so now than I did back when I was
Speaker 4: playing bro. I would refuse to sit there and be
Speaker 4: waiting in line after all these other guys just so
Speaker 4: I can say you can grade me.
Speaker 1: That ain't how you're going to really get graded, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's not a that's not a true assessment on what
Speaker 4: I'm going to be as a player.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It goes back to that thing like you're looking for
Speaker 2: things to pick at, Like as an evaluator, we go
Speaker 2: like last year, all the quarterbacks through because it wasn't
Speaker 2: a very good year, and so you got to see
Speaker 2: will Levis throw after Stroud after you know Richardson, right,
Speaker 2: and you're like, Richardson's not very accurate, or will Lewis
Speaker 2: doesn't layer three, and you're like oh, and it was
Speaker 2: really not. It was really easy to go like, oh,
Speaker 2: like this is great, but ultimately it's not about me.
Speaker 1: It's about the kid man.
Speaker 3: And I always say grading me, how you grading me?
Speaker 3: Because forty this all fine? Bench press? This all fied.
Speaker 3: I was looking the other day and they showed that
Speaker 3: the highest bench presses all time.
Speaker 1: One guy did fifty to fifty a time. They was
Speaker 1: all bad football player.
Speaker 3: Like I looked down in the list and I said, now,
Speaker 3: one of these guys ain't have a career, get being
Speaker 3: a pro bowler, ain't to have a turn on some film,
Speaker 3: Like I'm so tired of everybody wants you to test
Speaker 3: you about how fast you are?
Speaker 1: Are you a football player? Is the only thing that mattered.
Speaker 4: To the same way with the guys who hasn't performed
Speaker 4: for four years or a few years that runs fast forties,
Speaker 4: Like I've always found it like alarming that you're going
Speaker 4: to say because this guy ran for one, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: going to jump him in front of all these guys
Speaker 4: who have better films. Yes, Like honestly he ran for
Speaker 4: one before he got Yeah, he was on the white
Speaker 4: him running show me on tape, him keeping up with
Speaker 4: a guy all past you know, show me that on film.
Speaker 4: So that's one of the things I talk about. I
Speaker 4: love the fact that when I went to the University
Speaker 4: of Miami, everyone came from the pros. All the coaching
Speaker 4: staff prepared us as we was professionals. They told us
Speaker 4: what to be ready for. They told us, like, we
Speaker 4: got it to run our routes. We round every route
Speaker 4: in college we had. Our tree was all round, round round.
Speaker 4: CJ say, okay, here's the route tree for the league.
Speaker 4: We gonna come out our breaks. I mean he he
Speaker 4: basically made us stop we did for four years and
Speaker 4: said this is how they're going to grade you. So
Speaker 4: now we got to plant and go sharp out of everything.
Speaker 4: But when we got there to the thing, the guy like, oh,
Speaker 4: get me a round. I just went and did all
Speaker 4: this other stuff.
Speaker 1: But we was prepared, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's why I say, I look at certain things
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, these guys were so much, you know,
Speaker 4: more than just good coaches, because they had us prepare
Speaker 4: for everything that the pros was going to want to
Speaker 4: see from us. And when you get a guy out
Speaker 4: there and he goes bunkers in a damn damn workout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, he deserved to be a gold gym.
Speaker 3: That's what goal gym full of these guys like I
Speaker 3: have something that just solidifies everything we were talking about.
Speaker 1: I didn't work out it the comeby. I worked out
Speaker 1: at Missippi State.
Speaker 3: Everybody knowed the old legend of Fred Smooth during the
Speaker 3: bench press.
Speaker 1: One time. I did the bench press one time with
Speaker 1: these long.
Speaker 3: Arms and I racked it and I told him, you
Speaker 3: ain't come here for a body building you came here
Speaker 3: for a football player.
Speaker 1: Follow me.
Speaker 3: I went out there, ran my drills, backpedal, ran my
Speaker 3: forty Oh now you're slobbing at the mouth because now
Speaker 3: you see that on grass.
Speaker 1: That's where I belong, not in your weight room.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, I always asks, guy,
Speaker 3: do you want guys that's pretty getting off the bus?
Speaker 1: Are you want guy that's pretty? For four quarters?
Speaker 2: And just to get everybody calm down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Most scouts you talk to, eighty five ninety of it
Speaker 2: is the film, Like you know, it's the majority of
Speaker 2: that is the film. The thing that Combine does is
Speaker 2: it gets you. It lets you know the athlete a
Speaker 2: little bit better. Like are you like, I think Kwan
Speaker 2: is a good example, right, Like this is you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't run a super fast forty, but his vertical
Speaker 2: was like forty four inches. His broad jump was good.
Speaker 2: So you're like, even though he's not maybe the fastest guy,
Speaker 2: he's explosive. He can jumping still out of trouble, and
Speaker 2: that's supported by the film. The thing is when you
Speaker 2: see someone really fast and you're like, that wasn't support
Speaker 2: of the film. Maybe go back and watch. It's like
Speaker 2: trailing Burks last year or two years ago, Like everyone
Speaker 2: thought he's gonna run a four three, comes out and
Speaker 2: runs like a four to six or something. Right, it
Speaker 2: wasn't very good, and so everyone goes like, oh, and
Speaker 2: that's and that's a good part of the process because
Speaker 2: when you look at him in the league, it is
Speaker 2: a hard time separating because it then't have the juice
Speaker 2: Kaneil Harry ran like a four to six set like five, Right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a hard time separating. And so that's
Speaker 2: where you use that as kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: let me go back and just double check the film.
Speaker 2: Does it support this what I'm seeing here? Or is
Speaker 2: he okay? Like and now teams. This is the other thing.
Speaker 2: Teams have so much GPS data from the pads. Like
Speaker 2: you know, Marvin Harrison Junior, he hit twenty three miles
Speaker 2: an hour last year or twenty two miles an hour
Speaker 2: twenty two point five, so I know he's fast in
Speaker 2: the field. And so again if I'm if I'm Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 2: and there's a pro reason to back and do that,
Speaker 2: So I mean there are benefits. And again what I
Speaker 2: talk about benefits of doing at the prode. For me
Speaker 2: just thinking about it, it's like I could sleep my
Speaker 2: own bed, get my own quarterback to throw to me. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm not in the n Yeah, I'm not at the
Speaker 2: combine where I'm like in line waiting for my one
Speaker 2: rep from a quarterback that I've never caught a ball
Speaker 2: from my life. Who's Yeah, he probably throwing a short
Speaker 2: because he's trying to show off his arm. He's trying
Speaker 2: to show stuff off too. So to me, it's just
Speaker 2: like if you could, if you've got the clout to
Speaker 2: do it at your prode and you're not like that. Again,
Speaker 2: I think top three is a really good number there, right,
Speaker 2: If you're not one of those top three guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like just live your best life. But you guys
Speaker 1: don't know this.
Speaker 2: But we will be at the combine take of the
Speaker 2: Draft podcast which is on this podcast network. We will
Speaker 2: give you all the insight. We'll kind of go over
Speaker 2: all this drill work and we'll give you the context
Speaker 2: that you want say is this relevant to the film?
Speaker 2: Is this not relevant to the film, and kind of
Speaker 2: give that insight because the guys, those guys that aren't
Speaker 2: going to test well, like a lot two, lot too,
Speaker 2: lot too, lot too from UCLA not gonna test well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't really care because his films.
Speaker 3: Are At first I've been say like I don't care,
Speaker 3: like this certain stuff like my homeboy Antonio Peers did
Speaker 3: not get drafted that year when we came out one
Speaker 3: of the best landbackers in our draft. Why he didn't
Speaker 3: run well. He did not run well, but you can't
Speaker 3: test his mental.
Speaker 4: Reggie Wayne ran in for six, he really and he
Speaker 4: and everybody was trying. He was trying as hard as
Speaker 4: to get it to be a four, four or five
Speaker 4: eleven or four or five. And you know, I remember CJ.
Speaker 4: You know, our receiver coach. He just did a podcast
Speaker 4: and now listen to me He was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: just gonna be honest with you. Reggie went in for six,
Speaker 4: But that ain't that I told Reggie Jay Rush ranning
Speaker 4: for six, So don't be mad about that, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you look at Reggie Wayning career, I'm like, Reggie,
Speaker 4: we didn't know you as a fast guy anyway. You
Speaker 4: caught a BB in the dark every game, you can
Speaker 4: catch better than anybody in the game. So you you
Speaker 4: that's what you're grading with certain guys. You wanna come
Speaker 4: into that combine or come into that pro day say,
Speaker 4: I'm not looking for him to be speed runner. Oh,
Speaker 4: looking for him to show me everything that I saw
Speaker 4: on film now in this form.
Speaker 2: The interview, the gauntlet drill. The other thing I want
Speaker 2: to just point this is for young receivers, for guys
Speaker 2: coaching track. When you're running a forty, you're running the
Speaker 2: track right and your feet get really narrow, right, they
Speaker 2: get right under it, right under your hips. That's the
Speaker 2: whole idea, Right, we're trying to gain round vertically into
Speaker 2: that into that drill. If you look at good route runners,
Speaker 2: they run with their feet a little farther apart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and so that's not maximal
Speaker 2: velocity in a beach.
Speaker 3: I don't ever run like a track guy. I'm a chaser. Yes,
Speaker 3: I chase the Santana mouses of the world.
Speaker 1: Show me you have the ability to chase, and I
Speaker 1: show you a good defensive back.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Antonio Pierce. And this leads perfectly into
Speaker 2: our next segment, which is a two thousand and one
Speaker 2: NFL redraft. And Tonio Pierce was in that draft right
Speaker 2: along with two other guys, namely it is I it
Speaker 2: is high and.
Speaker 1: Fred smoot right and I am him.
Speaker 2: And so we're gonna redrafted. And so basically we were like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's pick one quarterback, one pass catcher, one defensive player,
Speaker 2: and then two wild cards. The problem is, there's not
Speaker 2: like that many good.
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks never is in a draft like this is a
Speaker 3: We got three quarterbacks at the top of this draft
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Plus you got Bo Knicks, Michael Penix, you got guys.
Speaker 1: You got Rattler, Yeah, you got guy. He's in this draft.
Speaker 1: Like That's why I tell people drafts are up and down.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: And I could say this about my one draft special
Speaker 3: special lots of talent.
Speaker 2: Well and I think, yeah, it just shows you like
Speaker 2: some of these guys like Antonio appears is on this list.
Speaker 2: We got undrafted player, right, Tim Hasselback, undrafted player was
Speaker 2: a solid pro for a couple of years. And I
Speaker 2: think Seve Smith, where was he drafted? You remember? Second round?
Speaker 2: Like think about that, like the good.
Speaker 1: Football players that Chad didn't go to?
Speaker 4: What the third Okay, so.
Speaker 2: For rules, let's do this, so we snake draft. For
Speaker 2: the stake draft is we go down the list, the
Speaker 2: person that thing gets to go twice right and then
Speaker 2: we go back the other way. So in terms of
Speaker 2: how we're going to start this, we flipped a coin
Speaker 2: or I just did this in my head.
Speaker 1: That we were going left and right. Nah, we're going
Speaker 1: to flip a coin.
Speaker 2: Jason says, pick a number one, one, O, two, three.
Speaker 4: Goddamn Okay, oh yeah, how we going this way?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So why do I feel like that just was the
Speaker 3: most rotten this thing I have seen on live TV?
Speaker 2: So for me, I get to go first. I'm picking
Speaker 2: a quarterback because the aren't that many good ones. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get out of the way. I feel really good
Speaker 2: about this. Drew Brees, my second round player, Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Let's get them in the building.
Speaker 2: Man, he's gonna set our culture. Feeling really good about it.
Speaker 2: I love that well.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I'm going quarterback right behind you.
Speaker 2: Have you ever met Drew Brees?
Speaker 1: Yes, good class, make play ball. I was supposed to
Speaker 1: go to Purdue with Drew Brees in college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drew is a great dude. Now, he did have
Speaker 3: a squirrel growing out his face.
Speaker 2: That is a true thing, but also sneaky small squirrel
Speaker 2: sneaky small guy. You know what I'm saying, He's not
Speaker 2: big at all because I remember when we played, you
Speaker 2: play against Orleans. You see him do his like crazy
Speaker 2: comprehensive warm up where he does like his he does
Speaker 2: like a live two minute before calisthetics. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: like does the He's like you'll see him point through
Speaker 2: his reads and he's very detailed. But like that's true.
Speaker 4: He's the nerves of all nerves, that quarterback. Like I
Speaker 4: thought Kirk was one of those nerves. Yeah, Drew was
Speaker 4: like Drew up be like, oh yeah, he's there. He
Speaker 4: knows the game. Like it's like, you know, he can
Speaker 4: probably close his eyes and know who to hit the
Speaker 4: hot red. You know what I mean like he was
Speaker 4: just one of those guys. I love watching him and
Speaker 4: people don't. People for the realize, man, how good he
Speaker 4: was in San Diego. Yeah, I got a chance to
Speaker 4: go against those guys when they was real good. L
Speaker 4: Dan he was there and Drew was there all draft class.
Speaker 4: It was two thousand and four playoffs, first round. I
Speaker 4: was with the Jets. We go to San Diego. I
Speaker 4: love playing Sane me too. For some reason, I scored
Speaker 4: the first game I had my I had a pub
Speaker 4: return return in San Diego a year two.
Speaker 1: But we go up there.
Speaker 4: It's no way were gonna beat these guys.
Speaker 1: They are on a high.
Speaker 4: I mean San Diego Chargers are playing well, you got breeze,
Speaker 4: you got you got l T and we won. I
Speaker 4: guess it was who was hurt me gam I'm not
Speaker 4: he didn't get hurt that game. I had Jammer covering
Speaker 4: me at corner Quinn jam in Texas.
Speaker 1: I had one hundred and uh some yards. I had
Speaker 1: a touchdown that game.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those games I'll never forget
Speaker 4: because I tore I tweaked my hamstring on the Wednesday
Speaker 4: going into the pre Bro and I tweaked my handstream windsday,
Speaker 4: and I remember the coaching staff disgusted. We play Saturday,
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there like, bro the hell, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go out here and play. And to the greatest of God, boy,
Speaker 4: I went out there and put on the show. I mean,
Speaker 4: I got a device that day, and I made sure
Speaker 4: my didn't did everything I could do. But no, it's
Speaker 4: one of those games I remember so y'all. So I'm
Speaker 4: going second. Since he got Drew.
Speaker 1: Brees, I just always get to man, I got I
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 4: Take Mike Vick, which I don't have no problem with doing.
Speaker 4: You know, if I was a receiver on his team,
Speaker 4: I have probably a problem because Mike was throwing that
Speaker 4: ball entirely too odd early in his career.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take Mike Vick, all right, who you
Speaker 1: going with? You get two picks?
Speaker 2: I do ro so I get to it's a snake.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: I ain't got to go quarterback because y'all right, No,
Speaker 3: I choose with my number one pick, Li Danty.
Speaker 1: And Toomas Dude.
Speaker 2: I love that one. He was awesome, man. People were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he like how dominant he was.
Speaker 1: He was just a running back. Whatever you needed him
Speaker 1: to do. He could get it. It's smooth.
Speaker 2: But also when you're talking about running backs earlier, like
Speaker 2: he's the guy that kind of set the market, but
Speaker 2: also set the market and set the standard for the
Speaker 2: new running backs. Right either way, he caught the football
Speaker 2: the way he could beat the linebacker one on one coverage,
Speaker 2: like you the special in that way.
Speaker 3: All right, And my next pick, I choose Fred Smoot
Speaker 3: from the University of Missisi State.
Speaker 1: These two guys, him and Ladanian.
Speaker 3: Got MVP of the Senior Bowl together, so I make
Speaker 3: I had to merge them back together.
Speaker 1: Right there, I'm looking at talent.
Speaker 2: It was a little hot, a little high for I
Speaker 2: understand what you're just saying.
Speaker 1: It's all about what value you see.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. So Tenna, what you got?
Speaker 1: Where's your goal? Now?
Speaker 2: You know it's you, So we kind of okay, So well.
Speaker 4: We're going past Catcher. So I'm going to pick myself.
Speaker 1: I actually was gonna pick you.
Speaker 4: So see, I'm going I'm going Tanne Man himself.
Speaker 2: Because Tana in today's NFL really works. That would be
Speaker 2: so sick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean, I mean, I got it's crazy
Speaker 4: because I look at this, I look at this, this
Speaker 4: draft group of wide receivers. It's two guys that we
Speaker 4: don't have on there. Who went who went before me?
Speaker 4: Is your boy from sat read David Terrell and my
Speaker 4: man from Seattle Corn Robin Robinson, which was exceptionally you know,
Speaker 4: was the receivers. David Terrell's career then panned out to
Speaker 4: be what it was. He went to Chicago. But the
Speaker 4: reason why I brain is up because if you if
Speaker 4: you want to go back, you know, don't quote me,
Speaker 4: just go back and look it up. I was told
Speaker 4: when I was coming out that if I was called,
Speaker 4: if I was taller, I would have been the first
Speaker 4: receiver taking in that class.
Speaker 1: So I'm tall.
Speaker 4: I'm five nine and a half on a good day,
Speaker 4: five ten. So you know, I say five ten, but
Speaker 4: I might find nothing to have. So I look back
Speaker 4: at him like it's crazy because different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 4: If you look at where I'm going at you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. If I was taller, be going to Chicago,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I'm just saying I
Speaker 4: went to New York and that wasn't.
Speaker 1: All that good. But it's all about where you placed. Man.
Speaker 4: It's all about where you land, and you look at
Speaker 4: some of these careers. Man, for Chad to be letting,
Speaker 4: you know, in Cincy, that was a great spot for him,
Speaker 4: great spoff, you know. For for Steve to go to Carolina,
Speaker 4: that was a great spot.
Speaker 1: You know, that's reasy to go.
Speaker 4: To the coach, that was a perfect spot. So it's
Speaker 4: all about where you Lamb.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought that up, Ton, because like
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about these draft picks, and we talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, for for twenty twenty four, right the draft
Speaker 2: this year, and like you know, who's the better prospect
Speaker 2: in this but the kind of the bigger issues to
Speaker 2: fit in the plan, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: I think this list shows you that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: to a t there, So am I picking up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe pick Okay, So I'm glad you too.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you picked yourself, by the way, because I
Speaker 2: was I was on the fence. It was between you
Speaker 2: and Steve Smith. So you made it pretty easy for me.
Speaker 2: Somebody go Steve Smith. Feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 5: The Fred Smooth Killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Fred Smooth Killer, because if we're in the
Speaker 2: same division, I need a guy that can just crush, right.
Speaker 3: Hey, First of all, I played against Steve around ten
Speaker 3: times out Fred, which is which is Hey, No, I
Speaker 3: play Steve like eight times out of the eight times
Speaker 3: he got me one time like he does on time
Speaker 3: he shredded me one game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the you know the game.
Speaker 4: That we all was paying at because he would talk
Speaker 4: to somewhere that game.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, not mad at to Steve s
Speaker 1: not mad. But now I'm gonna one up. He know,
Speaker 1: I gotta get get to It's a snake draft, dude.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done a state a right?
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna go with my auxiliary pick here, which
Speaker 2: is like kind of your wild card, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go Steve Hutchinson, who's maybe the best offensive line I
Speaker 2: played with in Minnesota, maybe the best offensive lin of
Speaker 2: history of NFL.
Speaker 7: Okay, so now you liked it, dude, he's like, I mean,
Speaker 7: Hutchison with that dude pretty gosh don good, like like
Speaker 7: when you look at like him compared And maybe it's
Speaker 7: because he was playing at a time where he was
Speaker 7: like so far ahead everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta know how he does today. He probably
Speaker 2: maybe he's a little bit more normal, but he was
Speaker 2: like the best guard in football for fifteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. And it wasn't even
Speaker 2: it was like kind of like Trent is now the tackles.
Speaker 1: That's how he was.
Speaker 2: Then he played with Walter Jones right in uh Seattle.
Speaker 1: And Seattle, but in Minnesota he played with big mc McKinney.
Speaker 2: Just pass, just going to from the good tackle to
Speaker 2: good tackle. So I think he's great. So that that's
Speaker 2: to me, he's the best player available remaining. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Steve Hutchins.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice to me.
Speaker 2: Your nerves.
Speaker 4: Too, though, So I'm going with Next would be Richard Seymour.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you need defense in this game.
Speaker 4: I mean, can't just pick all these offensive guys, you know.
Speaker 4: So Seymour was a guy that I thought highly of,
Speaker 4: washing them a lot in college, got into the pros
Speaker 4: and I saw him twice a year.
Speaker 1: I was with the Jets.
Speaker 4: He was, he was, He was in New England, and
Speaker 4: this dude dominated from the start. I mean it was
Speaker 4: no question why, no question, It was no question why
Speaker 4: to me that New England Patriots the earlier Super Bowls.
Speaker 4: You got to credit the defense and the kicking game
Speaker 4: or than so Tom Brady, but Tom got him there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they won those games with kicking field goals and
Speaker 4: that defense was just stout and he was one of
Speaker 4: the reasons.
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget about his running potn in college, Marcus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I draft tool.
Speaker 1: No, he went to Georgia. To Georgia, they was on
Speaker 1: the same details.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man.
Speaker 3: They had Kendre of Bailly lineback Lady Jackson j Henderson, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: j E. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson went to Maryland.
Speaker 2: No, no, the who's the defensive tackle for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about John Henderson?
Speaker 2: But you know those two big yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Alright. With my next pick, I choose a brother
Speaker 1: from my own heart, mister Chad. That's who I want.
Speaker 1: Silkie Johnson himself taking him off the market, got my
Speaker 1: wife out. I know, eventually I might have to pick
Speaker 1: a quarter You don't do it.
Speaker 2: Now, though, because no one's going to pick a quarterback,
Speaker 2: so you can pick it with your last.
Speaker 1: Pick, brotherly Yeah. Probably. Yeah. So now with my next pick,
Speaker 1: considering that most of the Hall of Famers are gone,
Speaker 1: I choose my running mate, my more enemy.
Speaker 3: We was the enemy in high school. We went to
Speaker 3: rival colleges. It was deuce for Heisman, it was.
Speaker 4: Smooth for Highsue, that's a great love.
Speaker 1: That deuce was a deuce could return punts. Where do
Speaker 1: you go to school?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Miss him King Lucas, all them tears Metcalf, DK Metcalf Daddy,
Speaker 3: all of them was on the same team.
Speaker 2: He played on line though. Right, yes, that's crazy, dude,
Speaker 2: that's that's a good. That's a that's a solid little
Speaker 2: group right there. Budd Well actually have two running backs,
Speaker 2: so right.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But I must say this for my
Speaker 1: Mississippi people. That year coming out of Mississippi, twelve of
Speaker 1: us got drafted off Mississippi Old miss and us two
Speaker 1: running backs.
Speaker 3: Wait, I gotta get the players that because I ain't
Speaker 3: got no quarterback, I'm had to run them out.
Speaker 2: But l T I mean, is too good? Good? Depends
Speaker 2: on what you got.
Speaker 5: I got a question, Fred, all right, you have any
Speaker 5: stories of you and Chad going at it with each
Speaker 5: other because you're both big person.
Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, going it's a it's a clip. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: they've been playing for the last couple there, like me
Speaker 4: and Chad.
Speaker 1: I can say this about Chad. Chad is a fun
Speaker 1: trash talk like you got some guys this serious, then
Speaker 1: you got some games.
Speaker 3: He ready to fight coming out of the locker room.
Speaker 3: Chad more jokingly just joking like me. So I remember
Speaker 3: when we was at the Senior Bowl. I keep hearing
Speaker 3: these chirps on the other end because Bill Coway is
Speaker 3: my head coach, and he like, it's a guy over
Speaker 3: there working people. N Ain't Chad just you want to
Speaker 3: go over I was like, Coach, I got my bag
Speaker 3: with me, baby, So they took me from the South practice,
Speaker 3: brought me to the North practice so me and Chad could.
Speaker 1: Do one on ones with each other. We can do
Speaker 1: teens thrill with each other. You're looking at the king
Speaker 1: him anyway. I can say this coming out of cuts.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody quicker than Chad man Like he cut true
Speaker 1: his feet man, but his feet are unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Man Like I'm sorry, Like he has feet of a
Speaker 4: bad I will say, you know, I don't like to
Speaker 4: my horn, but I turned. I would say this about
Speaker 4: Chad though he did he emphasized his I just did it.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like when it came to
Speaker 4: just doing stuff at the line of scrimmage. I wasn't
Speaker 4: doing that. Chad was the best line of scream.
Speaker 2: He was like the first guy that I remember to
Speaker 2: your point and then actually did.
Speaker 3: All the stuff that they tell you to do, like yeah,
Speaker 3: but he don't run routes to get to spots like
Speaker 3: so if you're chasing him, this route could be this, this, this, this,
Speaker 3: but he gonna get to the point where he's gonna
Speaker 3: get the ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how Travis Kelsey does it. Now, Yes,
Speaker 2: relationship with the quarterback is so.
Speaker 4: My next pick, My next pick is none other than
Speaker 4: my road dog back together Reggie Wayne saying, I thought
Speaker 4: you're gonna go Bruce Wayne. Yeah, bad Reggie Wayne Man
Speaker 4: talking about guy catching the BB and the dog. Reggie
Speaker 4: one of those guys. You know, he's up the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame to last what.
Speaker 1: Four five years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll get this call. I know, deep down inside
Speaker 4: Reggie pissed. But look, man, it's gonna he it's I mean, well,
Speaker 4: arguably right now, what top ten?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I think he's top ten when it comes to all
Speaker 4: all those guys up there. Now, I think he's nine. No,
Speaker 4: matter of fact, he's nine, and if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 4: Andre is ten. Andre got called before him.
Speaker 1: So it hurt him so bad. Yeah, but you know what,
Speaker 1: it's a little different.
Speaker 4: And I'm not the guy to tell you who should
Speaker 4: get picked for the Hall of Fame or not, because
Speaker 4: I don't understand how they do it. But when you
Speaker 4: look at all the players, and you look at who
Speaker 4: dre had, but it was just him, so I guess
Speaker 4: that's why they gave him a note. But Reggie gonna
Speaker 4: be in there without a doubt. And it'd be good
Speaker 4: to say if we ever played again together, it probably
Speaker 4: wouldn't be good because I know Reggie. He ain't want
Speaker 4: to share that ball of the time, and he played
Speaker 4: with a guy who he wanted to shit the ball
Speaker 4: with him and Marvin, so he made up himself. It
Speaker 4: was funny to see that he went to a guy
Speaker 4: that treated him like he treated me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, I.
Speaker 2: Love to get a guy like Reggie the you know,
Speaker 2: and this will be the last round, right, your last
Speaker 2: two picks, so I need help guys, best defensive player
Speaker 2: from your class because this is where I wanted to
Speaker 2: pick Fred, But Fred picked himself in the first round,
Speaker 2: aren't you let No one saying but like is the
Speaker 2: gardens lists that were not there? We're not thinking because
Speaker 2: you mentioned.
Speaker 1: In all Chris Jenkins, Damn Morgan, Damn Morgan. Who's then
Speaker 1: he's a GM? Now for Carolin? Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a gym. What's the name bell? Who else I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about? Think about defensive guys.
Speaker 2: So who's better a Wilson Chris, Chris Jenkins or Shawn Rodgers.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one, great one.
Speaker 2: Chris got hurt, Yeah he got hurt, but he was
Speaker 2: his peak was better, better than.
Speaker 1: But Seawn just played at the same level for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 4: We ain't put your boy in there too. Safety from Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Oh Roy Roy Rock came out a year after us.
Speaker 1: It was with us, No Rock came out of here.
Speaker 2: I remember Adrian, he.
Speaker 1: Was good. I think, uh playing in Arizona all them years.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Sean Rogers. I think here,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't love that pick, but I think
Speaker 2: it's gonna fill in these and be healthy for a
Speaker 2: long time. You know, get some that drushers later in
Speaker 2: the draft. You got one more right, that's that's the war. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then I'm going to Adrian Wilson's problem, Solvey.
Speaker 3: Adrian Rinson. Beast didn't get out of love. He's supposed
Speaker 3: to because he was in Arizona when Arizona won.
Speaker 1: Good. So I guess when my last pick out your
Speaker 1: it's not you on me, man, boy, hold you brushes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of snake is this.
Speaker 4: I'm going with with none of the other than the
Speaker 4: best running back in the state of Florida when we
Speaker 4: was coming out of high school, Trif Henry Travis Henry, Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: all Florida. That boy toe Tennessee up and down and
Speaker 4: got in the leader and he was taying.
Speaker 3: Buffalo, Hey, listen, could running the ball powerful pound seen
Speaker 3: in a long time.
Speaker 1: Now he is not.
Speaker 3: Cutein no beauty contents. Now you ain't pulling him out
Speaker 3: for Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: You ran that rock? Yeah all right?
Speaker 5: So yeah, Fred, before you go, Fred, just so everyone knows,
Speaker 5: this is the fifteenth pick. This is where Washington picked.
Speaker 1: Rod Garden won.
Speaker 5: So if we read yeah, that was Rob Gardner.
Speaker 3: I love Rod Gardner. That's my homeboy. We call him family.
Speaker 3: But I had just played against family. In the Peach
Speaker 3: Bowl Clympson versus Mississippi State, and he had as many
Speaker 3: catches as.
Speaker 1: A dead man. And they chose him before me and
Speaker 1: chose him before Tanna.
Speaker 2: That is the crazier one. Hey.
Speaker 3: We had Michael Ristbrook on the team at the time,
Speaker 3: so you didn't need no big body. We had Kevin
Speaker 3: Lockett Lockett sons that play in. We had Kevin Lockett,
Speaker 3: all right, so we didn't need We did not need
Speaker 3: a big receiver. We need a speed receiver. It So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna clean all that up because I still gotta
Speaker 3: take a quarterback right here.
Speaker 1: And y'all didn't leave me.
Speaker 3: Much as I looked down here, pretty much, Jesse Palmer,
Speaker 3: I apologize for ruining your career.
Speaker 2: I ruined you don't want that one on, no, but
Speaker 2: I ruined his career, all right, this is the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah this could, sir. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I played against him in Florida Missippi State and we
Speaker 3: blew him out by forty points him to never play again.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, pretty boy, just ran into the wrong smooth
Speaker 1: at the time, all right. Sage Rosen felt my draft partner.
Speaker 3: We got drafted the same year. I love Sage Rosen
Speaker 3: felt had a long career. All right, it's a back
Speaker 3: up and it spot played on some times.
Speaker 1: Old man winky Chris Winky.
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, and that's where I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with my pick. I could have went Tim hasselback, but
Speaker 3: Tim ain't here. The other hasse back, nobody, nobody goes
Speaker 3: in the store looking.
Speaker 1: For a t.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're playing on the upside though, you know.
Speaker 1: Chris Wink Yeah won the Heisman, snoop me and his
Speaker 1: roll dog.
Speaker 3: He was just an older guy. He ain't had no hair,
Speaker 3: kind of like yours. All right, I'm going old man wink.
Speaker 2: Chris Winky, So just to review Jason right away wrote
Speaker 2: him down. All right. So here we go.
Speaker 5: We're redrafting two thousand and one. This is how it
Speaker 5: pans out.
Speaker 2: Fe pretty good about you have Drew Brees awesome.
Speaker 5: Steve Smith, Sean Rodgers, Steve Hutchinson, Adrian Wilson, pretty good,
Speaker 5: pretty good job, Santana. You have Mike Vick, love it yourself,
Speaker 5: love that, Richard Seymour, Reggie, Wayne, Travis, Henry Battle.
Speaker 1: He ain't come on now with me, all right, Fred.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jahnson Ye, Danny and Tomlinson Todu miscal.
Speaker 1: Mcallison pronounce the right. Yeah, yeah, I got yourself big
Speaker 1: player and with.
Speaker 5: The fifteenth pack Washington Tuck, Chris Wink.
Speaker 1: I had to I would force it to it. I
Speaker 1: was forced to take bow knicks.
Speaker 5: Are there any other players in the UH in the
Speaker 5: draft with you? I came out in two thousand and one.
Speaker 5: You just want to give honorable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say Dan Morgan, Damien Lewis, those
Speaker 4: two of my miamiro on the mats. They went before
Speaker 4: me in the draft. I was sixteenth, they was. I
Speaker 4: believe d Lewis ten and Damn Morgan cracked the top ten.
Speaker 4: I think he was like seven or or six or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit you with one. You ain't think about
Speaker 3: Woodrow Damnslow. You remember Woodrow was quarterback for the UH
Speaker 3: for Clemson, end up being a return man for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I do remember what Qristy Cotta, Christy Carter, Colorda Quarks
Speaker 1: scrot like. I got. It's so many dudes that came in.
Speaker 1: Who the one pull on the belt? UH from Freddy Minchell.
Speaker 3: Listen, Freddy Mitchell like it was so many in our
Speaker 3: class class with one of those classes.
Speaker 2: Is this Andre Carter that I played with? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: good dude, great dude.
Speaker 1: They caught out to Drake Man Drake coming out of college.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, I mean he was the end. Yeah.
Speaker 4: See he played with us when he went in the
Speaker 4: right system, Drake backing up in covering man coming off
Speaker 4: that end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he gets get to hunt the quarterback. That
Speaker 1: boy was a beast. Alex Brown A lot of guys man,
Speaker 1: good class. Good.
Speaker 2: You guys got good memories. I didn't even know. I
Speaker 2: name three people from my class, but I didn't have
Speaker 2: the same kind of relationships you guys had with those guys.
Speaker 2: And now, if you're watching on YouTube, the special guest
Speaker 2: has arrived.
Speaker 3: Exactly drinks like he had a picnic selby time in Tampa,
Speaker 3: and it is time.
Speaker 1: It is time for the Great Bakeoff.
Speaker 2: What round is this guy's I don't even know.
Speaker 1: The fifth round?
Speaker 2: The fifth round, the fifth round of the bakeoff? And
Speaker 2: what are we baking? Boys?
Speaker 1: All right, we're baking butter cake? And I had this
Speaker 1: is what happened.
Speaker 3: I called my sinsey chief and I said, since I
Speaker 3: mean a battle this week, what should I do? And
Speaker 3: he said, son, utilize the things you have, and you
Speaker 3: have the best stove, you have the best pots and pants.
Speaker 1: You utilize those things and let it come to you
Speaker 1: padal one. So that's what I did here. Here's you know.
Speaker 1: The thing is his sense was the cashier wagons and
Speaker 1: what she told you make sure you take it out
Speaker 1: of this and put in your own contrainer. Yea freeze
Speaker 1: about three hours before you cook it.
Speaker 3: I love Wegmans, and they think I go there and
Speaker 3: just buy stuff. No, I go to Wegmans because it's
Speaker 3: God's kitchen. If God had a kitchen, and it look like.
Speaker 2: Exact man it's getting after. Zach has been pretty hostile
Speaker 2: on this one. Like the hostility it feels like Steve
Speaker 2: Smith coming out here.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I beat him up so early
Speaker 3: in these battles that he finally got a victory with
Speaker 3: the cookies, which I got a blind ain't he can
Speaker 3: make cooking.
Speaker 1: So I didn't give him no love, and now he
Speaker 1: wants to try to get it out a lot about you.
Speaker 3: You know when the coach tell you it ain't no
Speaker 3: such thing as a thirty point test down, like you
Speaker 3: got to take it one. What you're saying you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Like he wants to try to win
Speaker 3: everything in one cookoff.
Speaker 1: He can't do it.
Speaker 2: And the smelling here right now is tremendous.
Speaker 1: That's mind by my gas went. That's the cake by the.
Speaker 2: Way, dude. All right, so Caroline, I think we're ready
Speaker 2: for pie with pie cakes, but.
Speaker 1: A cake very different. Actually they're very different. Did you
Speaker 1: heat mine? Caroline? I could feel it. It's hot. Okay,
Speaker 1: we all get them, take one down and pass it around.
Speaker 2: But they know which You guys can't comment on this,
Speaker 2: right because you know who's friends first.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, we're not letting you
Speaker 1: do any of that. You're not coming here running anything.
Speaker 1: The blind taste, I say, you're not running anything.
Speaker 2: That's fine, all right, I don't even know. Let's see
Speaker 2: let's see what we got here, all right.
Speaker 1: So they looked a little different. They are different. They
Speaker 1: are different. Yeah, he does look like the one you
Speaker 1: buy that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: Mmm? Did Jesus Maamy there? M all right, I've never
Speaker 1: had buttercake before. M Triangle's pretty solid, man, that kind
Speaker 1: of southgle's pretty solid. Say the top two? Well? Geometry?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, okay, So there's two, there's sup there'shoes. There's
Speaker 2: two here, right, I don't even know how to describe them.
Speaker 2: So like it's a gooey and it's a rectangle, and
Speaker 2: then there's a triangle. The one with that is the
Speaker 2: rectangle has a a very sugary sauce on top, brown sauce.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Carolin, is that good? That's not appetizing?
Speaker 2: And then it's not the other one. The other one
Speaker 2: looks like a keishe kind of it looks like a
Speaker 2: kish What do you think?
Speaker 1: One is too sweet?
Speaker 2: Meaning they're pretty good? Actually, both of them. Let's see
Speaker 2: one more time. And so I don't even know what
Speaker 2: a buttercake is supposed to taste like.
Speaker 1: So we didn't lost this for it started? Did what's
Speaker 1: your buttercake taste? I'm just going on with what I like?
Speaker 1: It's better.
Speaker 2: A right, Tanna, which one you like better? Don't?
Speaker 1: Which one you like better? I like the brown one,
Speaker 1: the square, the square, the.
Speaker 2: Square, I have to say the square too, not me? No,
Speaker 2: what was one?
Speaker 1: Do you like better? Triangle? So did you make the triangle?
Speaker 1: Don't you don't ask that question right now? I just
Speaker 1: like the triangle Zach.
Speaker 3: Wait, come on, Caroline, come on here, come on, come on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is all about do you like a sugar rush?
Speaker 1: Do you like substance? It is very sweet, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of too sweet. I'm gonna have to put it down.
Speaker 2: But are they are they supposed to have? Is the
Speaker 2: butter cake supposed to be sugary on top?
Speaker 1: It depends on who depends what makes it makes. I
Speaker 1: like to make mine for grown ups. He makes his
Speaker 1: for kids. So it's a difference. See mine is for
Speaker 1: a steakhouse five star. His is for like the outback interesting,
Speaker 1: yeah back, interesting, long hand.
Speaker 2: Square, Caroline says emphatically square, like didn't even like, not
Speaker 2: even a moment's hesitation.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know what, it's pretty good. I see,
Speaker 1: I see what's going on. No, it's not even that.
Speaker 1: It's a mutiny. And and the thing that's crazy. I
Speaker 1: knew who Cake was.
Speaker 2: What did you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew him, But it's not even I you know,
Speaker 4: I'm one of the guys. I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you the truth. Friend Zone is good,
Speaker 4: but he he might have a point.
Speaker 1: I love sugar and it tastes FI mean somebody got
Speaker 1: a broom over.
Speaker 4: Zach's back, the Zach attack, eat back a broom. First
Speaker 4: of all, you like better mine. He's too sweet for me.
Speaker 2: It is very sweet, like I don't want.
Speaker 1: That much sugar. Like I couldn't. I couldn't like finish it.
Speaker 1: Let me taste like, listen, I say this taste at
Speaker 1: the at the door. Yours did taste a tad.
Speaker 2: Better, right, I said objectively, I said it's sustainable eating experiences.
Speaker 1: I just said I couldn't. I couldn't finish it if
Speaker 1: I wanted to. Let me tell you my philosophy and desserts.
Speaker 1: It's very sweet. If I'm gonna eat dessert, I'm not
Speaker 1: eating it to be healthy in my eating. I'm going in.
Speaker 1: I'm going all in. All of the chips are on
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I make mine for grown people
Speaker 3: and grown me. You gotta take a littlely sugar out
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: So where we at when it comes to three to two?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: It's actually two to two? One?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was a tie. Pumpkin was
Speaker 1: the first first one we did. Did I make pumpkin pie,
Speaker 1: made sweet Tata pie. He made the purple the purple
Speaker 1: sweep tat it was very good.
Speaker 2: It better. Yeah, I had one of them.
Speaker 1: Man, you're back square. You came with vengeans on that one.
Speaker 1: That was good. That's right? Did I feel like that
Speaker 1: that buttercake was that good?
Speaker 3: Because if I go to What's this is what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do because these you know, you know, they ain't
Speaker 3: even ate buttercake. So I'm gonna go get them a
Speaker 3: steakhouse butter cake. And I'm gonna bring them a professional
Speaker 3: made butter cake. And y'all gonna see that he is.
Speaker 4: But what it is though, And like I said, I
Speaker 4: don't know buttercake. But like I said, I went off
Speaker 4: just what my taste bugs like. And if I was
Speaker 4: at the steakhouse, yours are straight. You always you're a baker.
Speaker 4: I don't realize you're being there with you being there
Speaker 4: with your little apron on this.
Speaker 2: This is the first he has got me though. This
Speaker 2: is the first time I actually think Zach's texture is better.
Speaker 2: One of the first times. It's like nice and and soft,
Speaker 2: USU little dense, which is you have not done a
Speaker 2: dense cake.
Speaker 1: So you would vote too.
Speaker 3: I was vote with the left hand that was sponsored
Speaker 3: by local alcohol.
Speaker 1: So I think so Selby emphatically.
Speaker 2: Emphatically Selby, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying time that.
Speaker 2: That was the first like clean one.
Speaker 1: Though I'm voted for him, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Look at you being the bigger guy.
Speaker 3: That's that's really that's one thing as a cornerback when
Speaker 3: you get the world see it right, you're used to it.
Speaker 1: Hey, if you want lessons, you can come by my
Speaker 1: place anytime, Zach, we can my joke and bounced in. Man,
Speaker 1: that's what he did. And I want child to to
Speaker 1: know that whispering is rude.
Speaker 2: Your glue.
Speaker 1: Man, Whenever you say down stuff, beings stick to you. Right.
Speaker 2: So I think that's gonna do it for today. And also,
Speaker 2: just I got to point this out. We have another
Speaker 2: avenue of our media department. They do the commander's logs
Speaker 2: and they do a really good job kind of getting
Speaker 2: behind the scenes information on this. Right. So there's a
Speaker 2: great clip that I think Jason's going to put in
Speaker 2: here about Joe Gibbs's involvement in some of the process
Speaker 2: in terms of like his input. And you know, everyone
Speaker 2: loves Joe Gibbs. Everyone loves seeing a little bit of ja.
Speaker 2: They say it a good job. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how they get this access because we have such hard
Speaker 2: time getting access, but they have so much information that
Speaker 2: they've got on camera. So if you like the Commanders,
Speaker 2: you want to see kind of this new coaching higher process,
Speaker 2: please make sure you check out the Commander's Log, which
Speaker 2: is a great show. I watch it whenever it comes out.
Speaker 2: When's it come out, Jason, It's like kind of whenever
Speaker 2: they have content. Yeah, so you got to make sure
Speaker 2: you're subscribed.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's not a regular thing because it's a they're long
Speaker 2: term projects. So whenever they come out, makes you check
Speaker 2: them out. And I think that's going to do it
Speaker 2: for today's show. Thanks so much for joining, Zachary. Congratulations,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Fred, really solid.
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Speaker 1: Most powerful city in the world.
Speaker 6: The only thing that brings that city together is that
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Speaker 1: And I love that part of it because, yes.
Speaker 6: There's pressure there, yeah, man, but you want it to
Speaker 6: be something special out there. It's special, isn't That fan base?
Speaker 6: They're ready, they want to come back, they're ready to
Speaker 6: and so I think you've gotten. Honestly, I think you
Speaker 6: got the best coaching job in the world.
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