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Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. Today's Saturday Classic did not come out in

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Speaker 1: October or otherwise in proximity to Halloween. Lately, when I

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Speaker 1: have had a little bit of downtime that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to fill with something comforting, I've been watching episodes of

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Speaker 1: the TV show Designing Women, which ran in the eighties

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Speaker 1: and nineties, and on one of the ones I saw recently,

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Speaker 1: there was this joke about Elvis Presley still being alive

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Speaker 1: and hanging out with Judge Crater and like the space Dog,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, we did an episode on that, Judge. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we did. This episode is called the Disappearance of Judge

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Speaker 1: Joseph Force Crater and it originally came out on February.

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Speaker 1: It also mentions Elvis, and it is Today's Saturday Classic.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy. Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class,

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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Holly Front and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard someone thinking they were a comedian,

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Speaker 1: get on a p a like at a store and say,

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Speaker 1: I have vague recollections of it, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: But people who have heard that or didn't know that

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Speaker 1: was a thing. It was a thing people would do.

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Speaker 1: Comedians would also use that line, and it's actually a

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Speaker 1: joke that's housed in a historical reference. I think I

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Speaker 1: thought it was from television, like that I had something

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Speaker 1: to do with Mrs Wiggins or something. No, So, the

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Speaker 1: vanishing of Judge Joseph Force Crater is one of our

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Speaker 1: most requested topics. Lots of people want to hear about it,

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Speaker 1: and it's considered one of the largest missing person cases

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Speaker 1: only to the Lindbergh Baby, which happened a couple years later.

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Speaker 1: And it's actually fueled decades of spect elations about what

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Speaker 1: exactly happened to this New York State Supreme Court justice,

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Speaker 1: because there are a million question marks, and as we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about a little bit more later, and as we've

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Speaker 1: talked about in many other episodes, a lot of contradicting

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Speaker 1: accounts of what actually happened. So we'll do a very

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Speaker 1: brief kind of biographical where he started, but really we're

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Speaker 1: going to focus on his career in this vanishing. So

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Speaker 1: he was born in Pennsylvania on the fifth of January

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Speaker 1: eighty nine. His parents were Frank Ellsworth Creater and Layla

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Speaker 1: he worked his way through Lafayette College and Columbia Law School.

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Speaker 1: He took clerk jobs, uh, and you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: represented Stella Wheeler in a divorce and later the they

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Speaker 1: it came to be associated with corrupt voting practices, bribery,

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Speaker 1: and once that was made public, all kinds of less

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