1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: wes Hodkowits were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. A little bit of Packers 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: news to touch on. Since we last spoke, Green Bay's 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: top two draft picks, cornerbacks Jaire Alexander from Louisville and 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson from Iowa now under contract. They have signed 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: their rookie deals. That leaves at this point only third 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: round pick or In Burke's unsigned, and by the time 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: some people watch this or listen to this, he might 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: be signed as well. Because these things are happening rather quickly, 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: and it's because of the current Collective Arty Agreement post 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. This issue with rookie contracts and training 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: camp holdouts and all this kind of stuff really things 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: of the past. The thing that's so funny, Mike is 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: I started on the Packers beat full time in two 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, and I think the greatest gift that 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: was given to me was that c B A and 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: the roughie wage scale. I mean, I have heard so 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: many horror stories from Beat writers about what those days 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: were like when not only are you chasing the contract, 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: but then you'd get to training camp and then eve 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: of training camp and you're not sure if guys are 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna be holding out or just sitting out. Because throughout 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the offseason program you can sign a waiver to participate 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: in things. Once you get to training camp, you have 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: to have an actual contract to be out there. Um Now, now, 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: in this current environment, it's not as much of a 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: big deal because of the rookie wage scale really basically 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: slots players where they are in terms of what they're 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: gonna make. But back in the day, man, it was 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: sort of like the Wild West in terms of what 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: these guys were going to get in every all these agents, 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: all these players were kind of just sitting around waiting 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: to see how things unfolded, so to make sure that 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: their guy got as much as they could potentially command. Yeah, 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: there were agents and players, uh, you know, waiting to 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: see what guys drafted near them would get to. You know, 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: they didn't want to short change themselves. They you know, 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: so they didn't want to jump into early. Everything ends 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: up getting delayed and then you end up with players 42 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: these rookies who you know, end up as contract holdouts 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: or training camp holdouts. They get that label when really 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: they want to sign their deal and they want to 45 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: play it, and it's it's just, you know, the economics 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: of things were always difficult. I remember Nick Barnett, I 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: think it was the first round draft pick for the 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Packers in two thousand three, was sitting in his car 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: watching the first training camp practice out his car window 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: because he couldn't be there, He couldn't actually even be 51 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: on the sideline to watch it without a contract. But 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: he was just waiting really to get that phone call 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: from his agent. Okay, it's all set. Go sign it, 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, and put your uniform out there and go 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: play so good that that you know those days are 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: are behind us, because it definitely I think anytime rookies 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: missed time and training camp, it hurts them. You don't 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: want them to miss those first couple three four practice 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: even if they're back before the first preseason game, anytime 60 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: they miss in camp is valuable. Well, you and I 61 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: were talking in our pre production meeting about since they 62 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: did the new CB, if they've had any issues whatsoever 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: with rookie contracts. I can't think of one. I can't 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: think of one either, not not since two thousand eleven, 65 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: the new C B A, and you go back to 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the two thousands, I mean Ted Thompson, Andrew Brandt and 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: Russ Ball. I mean some guys are the best in 68 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: the business and what they do. They still had Aaron 69 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Rodgers sitting out, and I believe also b J Roji 70 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: guys because their high picks and they want to get 71 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: what they believe they're worth. But there wasn't really any 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: guiding force whatsoever. So I think that this is one 73 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: of the most positive things that came out of the 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: most recent collective bart In agreement because it protects veterans. 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: It makes sure that veterans are still not getting short change. 76 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: You're getting cut to make room for guys that have 77 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: never done anything, never played a snap in the NFL before, 78 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: while also being respectful to what these rookies should be 79 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: making for really the attention that they're getting and even 80 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: when you look a guy like Baker Mayfield, the expectations 81 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: that get put on him right away. Yeah, And it 82 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: made sense for the players Union back in eleven to 83 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: agree to this because they were seeing veteran players as 84 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned, getting cut, their careers not extend perhaps as 85 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: long as they should because you had number one overall 86 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: draft picks, for instance, like Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford 87 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: in in two thousand in that range, who were getting 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars of guaranteed money before they even took 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: a snap in the NFL. Things got out of whack 90 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: and then C b A, you know, kind of put 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: things back in line a little bit to where the 92 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: veterans are getting what they should and the rookies are 93 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: going to have the opportunity down the road. One of 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: the things I think Martin Mayhew and I know he 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: did end up getting let go as the GM of 96 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: the Lions, but people got to understand how terrible that 97 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: situation was because they had that O n sixteen seasons, 98 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: so they had all these early draft picks coming up. 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: But you know, Matthew Stafford and Dominican sue that put 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: them not only in a hole where they were signing 101 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: these guys, but then when you're looking at second contract, 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: because nobody's gonna want to play out that first contract 103 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: can take less. They want to get more they want 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: and you push that cat number four. It was causing 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Now you look at the way 106 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: it is now. The fact that these deals get done, 107 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: these rookies get into camps, they could start preparing, they 108 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: can start preparing for their next face of life outside 109 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: of football. Um, I think from all every avenue outside 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: of maybe the running back position, where you can make 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: a case that this has been something that's really benefited 112 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: the whole Yeah, it doesn't put teams in salary cap 113 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: jail to go a couple of years with a top 114 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: ten draft pick, and that's what used to happen. And 115 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: you go to three years picking in the top ten 116 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: or top twelve, all of a sudden your cap is 117 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: blown on all these rookies. Imagine where would be right now, 118 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: you know if that was how it worked out? Right? Yeah, exactly. 119 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: With that, we'll go to a break back with more 120 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 121 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford in this chair, West Hodko, it's in that one. West. 122 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: We don't have a whole lot of other Packers news 123 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: to disc us, so I want to spend the rest 124 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: of this show broadening our horizons a little bit. Let's 125 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more league wide in general. Here. 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: There was an interesting question I got in our Insider 127 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Inbox column recently, and it was someone asking within the 128 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: context of the fact that the Los Angeles Rams went 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: from kind of an afterthought to a division champion in 130 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: a playoff team, and the Jacksonville Jaguars went from three 131 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: and thirteen to the a f C Championship Game in 132 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: one year. Is there one of these turnaround teams on 133 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: the brink, so to speak, of a big turnaround in 134 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: you got one in mind, it's Houston Texans, without a doubt, 135 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: and again I'll add the caveat that if Deshaun Watson 136 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: is back makes the recovery they need from that a 137 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: c L surgery. Here's what's funny, Mike. That could have 138 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: been a disastrous trade for the Texans last year, trading 139 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: their first rounder for this next year so they could 140 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: get up trade up to get to Shaun Watson. I 141 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: didn't hear one single person anywhere in the country mentioning 142 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: that narrative, though, because how well Watson played before that 143 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: a c L. You're willing to give up that number 144 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: four overall pick to the Cleveland Browns if you saw 145 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: what you saw the last year from Deshaun Watson. If 146 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: you've got your franchise guy, you've got no complaints. Yeah, 147 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: you're not complaining about it. And I think they're excited 148 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: about what his future holds, assuming everything turns out okay 149 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: coming back from the knee injury. The fact that j J. 150 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: Watt could potential to be back. I think Jadeveon Clowney 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: has made some strides. There's a lot of talent there, 152 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: and I think they're better than what their record indicated 153 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: last year after they lost Watson. So for me, especially 154 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: looking at that division, considering if you go back, it's 155 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: sort of been anybody's division, and then get any given 156 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: year in the fact that two teams actually made it 157 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: in the playoffs last year because of you know, some 158 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: of the death concerns from the NFC I have. I 159 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: see no reason why the Texans couldn't be back in 160 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: this thing, all right. I I definitely agree with that pick. 161 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw another one at you though, that maybe 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't thinking about, and that's the 163 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: New York Giants. I say that for a few reasons. One, 164 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: this is a team that was just in the playoffs. 165 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: Two years ago. You've got at a quarterback. I know 166 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: he's on the downside of his career, but you've got 167 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback who's been there, done that one a couple 168 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: of Super bowls. You've added Sae Kwon Barkley to that offense. 169 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: And if there is one issue, I guess I would 170 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: say two issues with the Giants offensively over the last 171 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: couple of years. One has been receivers staying healthy. So 172 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: if those if those receivers stay healthy, Eli Manning is 173 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: a different quarterback and number two and put him in 174 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: whatever order you want, maybe this should be number one 175 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: is pass protection? Well, there might be no better help 176 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: for pass protection than a running back like Sae Kwon 177 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: Barkley who's going to make defenses have to stop the run. 178 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: That may be the best protection that Eli Manning is 179 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: going to get. I know they have a new head 180 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: coach and Pat Shermer. You know the Giants are not 181 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: defensively certainly what they were in uh in those Super 182 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: Bowl years. But I'm telling you I'm not blown away 183 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: by anybody else in the NFC East, aside from obviously 184 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, which is going to 185 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: make it difficult for uh, the Giants to jump back 186 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: wherever they were last year into the playoffs or something 187 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: like that. But I don't sleep on the Giants. Yeah, 188 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: and it's a good pick too, Mike, because the Cowboys 189 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: came back down to Earth last year. They're going through 190 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: kind of uh, I don't want to call it rebuilding, 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: but definitely trying to retool what they have their Washington 192 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: now going to see what they can do with Alex Smith. 193 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: My biggest issue with the Giants um se Kwon Barkley 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: might be a once in generation player. They drafted Will 195 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: Hernandez to block for him out of Utah, the former 196 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: guard for for Aaron Jones that we talked so much 197 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: about in the pre draft process. I really really really 198 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: wanted to see them take Sam Donald and instead he 199 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: goes to the across the you know city team with 200 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Only time will tell us which 201 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: one of those moves was correct. Maybe Barkeley becomes the 202 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: next Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders and you know, it 203 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: was a moot point, but I really did think they 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: needed to improve their holdings at quarterback. Now. They also 205 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: got the kid from Richmond. I forget his name, but 206 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: they're really high on him. The fourth round pick. Yeah, 207 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm d a blank for Kyle Lenetta Leonetta. Remember seeing 208 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: him at the combine. He had a table full of 209 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: press there because people thought he was gonna be the 210 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: next Patriots quarterback. So it's not like didn't find another one. 211 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: But they've gone the fourth round pick route before and 212 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: it hasn't pushed Eli Manning at that spot. So yes, 213 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: you're right, they have a veteran quarterback that's one two 214 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: super Bowls. I just would have liked to have seen 215 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: them gotten Donald and start building for the next chapter. 216 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: We'll see which one ends up being right. Yeah, all right, Well, 217 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: we've got some more bigger issues league wide. I want 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: to throw your way, but we'll do that after the 219 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: breakback with Moron Packers Unscripted. Right after this, Welcome back 220 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford Here, West Hodko, it's over there, okay, West. 221 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: We spent some time earlier this offseason talking about the 222 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: coaching changes in the NFC North. The Bears and the 223 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Lions both getting new head coaches, but they're a handful 224 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: of other new head coaches around the league. I mentioned 225 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: the Giants, in the last segment, Cardinals, the Colts, the Titans, 226 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: and the Raiders also have new head coaches. Is there 227 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: one of those new coaching hires that intrigues you the most? 228 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: Screwed in of course? And and the Raiders. I always 229 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: tell this story. Um, it's now three and a half 230 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: years ago. My old colleague at the green Bay Prescausette 231 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and Night, Scott Vincy Uh, we shadowed John Gruden around 232 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: Green Bay before Monday night football game. He was given 233 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: away a donation through his charity, the in the Fired 234 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: Football Coaches Association to green Bay East and green Bay West. 235 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: We followed him to this presentation and the entire time 236 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: we were grilling him about whether or not he was 237 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: going to come back, and in so many words, he said, no, 238 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: I like what I'm doing too much. But you always 239 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: knew it didn't matter what he said or how many 240 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: times he declined it. You always knew that there was 241 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: that outside chance. And seeing how much money, my goodness, 242 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: you know, has was thrown at him by Mark Davis there, 243 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: you had to do it. But the reason it's not 244 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: even just Gruden coming back that intrigues me, it's the 245 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: moves that they've made since then in some of the 246 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: changes that they made in in in how they're constructing 247 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: their roster and the players that they have. I want 248 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: to see how all that eventually settles out right, And 249 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: in some ways I would I would issue a word 250 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: of caution in a sense to the folks in Oakland 251 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: because Reggie mackenzie, and I'm I'll admit I'm biased. I 252 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: really liked Reggie and he was here. I was sad 253 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: to see him go, but happy for him in a 254 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: personal sense that he got a chance to become a GM. 255 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: But he pulled that franchise out of a salary cap 256 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: mess of gargantuan proportions. And then you know, with the 257 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: drafting of the quarterback Derek Carr and some other really 258 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: good moves, he's gotten them back to contending status in 259 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: fairly short order. When you look at it in the 260 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: bigger picture, things that we're hearing out of Oakland, and 261 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: you and I aren't there every day, but it sounds 262 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: like John Grew is starting to have a little bit 263 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: more say over personnel and things and treading into that 264 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: GM territory a little bit nicely. Just watch it, watch 265 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: it a little bit, because Reggie Mackenzie knows what he's doing. 266 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: He does. And it's funny too because I think if 267 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: John Gruden had that power when he was in Tampa Bay, 268 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: the situation is completely different. Aaron Rodgers is probably down 269 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: Brett Farve is probably down there playing football, former Aaron 270 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: Rodgers or somebody. But by the times he's talked about that. 271 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: But that being said, personnel guys are personal guys for 272 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: a reason. And I think, you know, one of the 273 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: reasons the Raiders were so patient with Reggie when he 274 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: went down there is just because how muddled that situation 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: was terrible, with how short the lifespan is um you know, 276 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: for for you know, contracts only five years in terms 277 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: of the pro ration of bonuses. Guys aren't signing twelve 278 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: year contracts like Major League Baseball. But even then, it 279 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: still took so long for the Raiders to pull themselves 280 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: out of that because the year after year they were 281 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: making bad deal after bad deal. Mackenzie cleared the slate, 282 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: they got a twelve and fourth season out of it, 283 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: looked to be going in the right direction. Took a 284 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: step back now are trying to reset. I think it's 285 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: still very important to stay with those principles. Uh that 286 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: that got them there in the first place, and also 287 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: got them Derek Carr, you know in Khalil Mack, the 288 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: prospects that Mackenzie found. Yeah, Mari Cooper, I mean the 289 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: fact that he projected Khalil Mack to go from doing 290 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: what he did at Buffalo and the third or overall 291 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: pick or whatever it was and making him a star 292 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: in this league. It says a lot about his scouting acumen. Yeah, 293 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Another of the coaching changes that 294 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: intrigues me, it's another one in the a f C. 295 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: And that's what the Tennessee Titans. And I say that 296 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: for again a couple of reasons. One, this is a 297 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: team that not only made the playoffs last year, but 298 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: one a road playoff game in Kansas City, not an 299 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: easy place to go and win in the postseason on 300 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: the road. But yet they decided to part ways with 301 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: Mike Mularkey and they've hired Mike rabel Um. I'm always 302 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: curious to see how the guys, I guess you would 303 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: call them from the Bill Belichick the Patriots tree, how 304 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: they're going to fair because you know, Josh McDaniels had 305 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, didn't work out when he got his first 306 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: head coaching job in Denver, and then now he passed 307 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: on another head coaching opportunity obviously this past off season, 308 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: but then also with the Titans, you mentioned the a 309 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: f C South, how that division can kind of be 310 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: up for grabs the way things go. And then their 311 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: quarterback Marcus Mariota, very high draft pick, a guy who 312 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: has definitely improved. You know, is his arrows still pointing up? 313 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Have we still not seen the best of Marcus Mariota 314 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL? Or have we? And then maybe getting 315 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and winning one game is is they're seiling? 316 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: How they're currently constructed, I don't know. I just think 317 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: they're an intriguing team to keep it up. If if 318 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: you're the Titans, you better hope that you haven't seen 319 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: the best out of Marcus Marriott's because last year, honestly, 320 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: to be quite honest, wasn't very good until the playoffs. 321 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: Until the playoffs, you played well, But you look at 322 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: that regular season, uh it is It is impressive that 323 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: they made the playoffs, but they had a lot of 324 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: things working against them. The reason I bring that up 325 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: is because I think they put a lot of this 326 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: at Malarkey's feet. They put a lot of it at 327 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: Dick Lebo's feet. Um. But at the end of the day, 328 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: it's a quarterback driven league and they have put talent 329 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: around him. Now, how does that talent further develop and grow? 330 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: They made some acquisitions this offseason. Me personally, and this 331 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: is just me, I would have dedicated myself to Derrick Henry, 332 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: but you know, they made some other changes there. They 333 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: don't want him to be the soul back, but there 334 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: is a lot of talent there. Um. They're looking for 335 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: consistency now and that starts at Mariotta. Yeah. All right, 336 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: with that, we're gonna go to another break back with 337 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to 338 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside Wes Hodku. It's okay, West. 339 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: One more topic I want to throw at you here 340 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: as we wrap up the show for today. I found 341 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: something interesting the other day. Was just doing a little 342 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: quick research something I was working on for Insider Inbox, 343 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: and I noticed, you look at the last four years 344 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL fell the m v pen Tom Brady, 345 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, turns out those are 346 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: the only four active quarterbacks in the NFL who have 347 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: won an m VP award. Obviously, Brady has won multiple, 348 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: Rogers has one multiple. So it leads me to this question, 349 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: who do you think is the next quarterback currently active 350 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: who is going to win an m v P. You 351 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: can go a couple of different directions with this, because 352 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: you have the old guard, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, those 353 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: guys who have not won an m v P yet, 354 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: and you have a slew of young up and coming 355 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that nobody knows just yet how good they're going 356 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: to be. Who do you think. I'm want to just say, 357 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: it's incredible to me when you pointed this out that 358 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees hasn't won an m v P. When you 359 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: think about it, it makes sense. Yeah, But considering the 360 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: way that that offense is structured, him throwing for five 361 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: thousand yards as many times as he has, it actually 362 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: is surprising. But I get it. There were seven and 363 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: for like three or four straight seasons there was some 364 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: rebuilding that had to be done there. Fine for me, though, 365 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: I still think Ben Roethlisberger has one in him, even 366 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: though there's been sort of this hovering, floating theory that 367 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: you know he might be getting near the end, we 368 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: might want to retire soon. Roethlisberger has the capability. I 369 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: still think. I know that Aaron Rodgers is more athletically 370 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: gifted than Roethlisberger, but Roethlisberger is the closest thing I've 371 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: seen in this league to encompassing what Aaron Rodgers does UM, 372 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: and probably is even more untacklable if you want to 373 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: use that. He might be one of the hardest quarterbacks 374 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: to sack, and just in terms of physically getting him 375 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: on the ground, But it just seems like he has 376 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: that ability to to extend plays one way or another. 377 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Not maybe with his feet as much as Rogers, but 378 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: he just he has that X factor that he always 379 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: keeps you in ahead on things. I've I've been a 380 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: huge fan of his ability on the football field since 381 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: he came out and replaced Tommy Maddox. I believe in 382 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: two thousand five whenever that was UM. But I think 383 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I think Roethlisberger, one way or another, UM, I think 384 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: he still has a Yeah. I've had a hard time 385 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: with this question because I still can't decide which direction 386 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: I want to go there's a part of me that 387 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: says Drew Brees has got an m v P and 388 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: him the way they have retooled some things on that 389 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: Saints defense, we saw how close they were. They were 390 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: a fluke play essentially away from playing for the NFC 391 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: Championship in Philadelphia last year. When with what happened in 392 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Minneapolis on the last play of the game, I think 393 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: Breeze potentially has an m v P in him. But 394 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: then the other guy that I think is definitely headed 395 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: for an m v P sooner rather than later might 396 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: be Carson Wentz in Philadelphia because before he got hurt 397 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: last year, when I did get a chance to watch 398 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: the Eagles, I was really impressed with how difficult he 399 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: was to sack his escapability and not only just to 400 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: keep plays alive, but then also to run and rush 401 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: for yardage. His a c L was not because of 402 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: getting sacked in the pocket. He was diving for the 403 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: goal line for a touchdown on on a scramble. And 404 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: he's still awfully young. I don't know if the a 405 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: c L surgery is going to change the way he plays. 406 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: My guess is that it won't, and I think that's 407 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: the guy who's got an m v P in his future. 408 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I've always looked at this as stages like the Quarterback Club, 409 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: right with Farv and Young and Aikman and and then 410 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: you always have these generations where these guys are the 411 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: top quarterbacks in the league. I thought, for a while, Okay, 412 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: after Roethlisberger and Rodgers, who's the next guy? Um? And 413 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: there's guys that are very good Pro Bowl All Pro 414 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: type players, but who's going to be the guy that 415 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: really drives the league? I think Wentz has that ability. 416 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: I think he's the best quarterback prospect that's been taken 417 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: arguably since Cam Newton in two thousand eleven. Different types 418 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: of players, but in terms of what they offered and 419 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: bring to the table. Uh, he was exceptional. He was 420 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: exceptional as rookie season to step in there, going from 421 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: FCS football, improving everybody wrong that he his skills could 422 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: translate a guy like Josh Allen getting picked out of 423 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: a smaller school like Wyoming. I think that's a product 424 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: of what Carson Wentz did a few years ago. UM. 425 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I also think, to be honest with you, Mike, I 426 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: think Nick Foles is going to be a starting quarterback 427 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: in this league too. I think he's finally at that point. 428 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: I think he's matured enough that after this season, if 429 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: Wentz can come back from the knee, that Fools is 430 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: going to find a home. But that one to punch together. 431 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: What Whence did to set them up last year and 432 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: how Fulls finished it. That's that's a big driving force 433 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: for why the Eagles were able to win that Super 434 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Bowl last season. Yeah, just to go one other quick thing. 435 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Out of those five quarterbacks taken in the first round 436 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: this year, including Lamar Jackson taken at the end of 437 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: the first round, who do you think big picture is 438 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: going to have the best career out of those five. 439 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: I still love Lamar Jackson. I've loved him since the beginning. 440 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: I think the guy can play quarterback. I think he's 441 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: going to be dynamic. I think the safe money in 442 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: my opinions on Sam Donald just because of his makeup 443 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: and and exactly what he offers as in terms of 444 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: the physical prototypical quarterback that you look for in terms 445 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: of size. I'll throw my lot in with John Dorsey, 446 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf, and Alonso high Smith and go with Baker Mayfield. 447 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: But who knows. I guess that's something to watch for 448 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: years to come. With that, we will sign off on 449 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all 450 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com 451 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter. 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