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Speaker 4: Dan Hands is here with heroes Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: Walking on my way into the studio.
Speaker 4: TV screens everywhere less now after the storms took out
Speaker 4: half of the electronics in our building a couple months ago,
Speaker 4: but walked by a screen and then they had the
Speaker 4: drafts scroll, you know, with the various mock drafts from
Speaker 4: our experts. In fact, we have an expert coming in
Speaker 4: later today in studio.
Speaker 3: Tease.
Speaker 4: So the Jets logo and now the Jets on Monday
Speaker 4: announced they have they have gone back.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too when you start to get old.
Speaker 4: And hasn't happened for me yet, but yeah, and you
Speaker 4: you realize that everything just repeats, so they now, So
Speaker 4: anyway it started their.
Speaker 3: Logo is the name of logo that everybody remembers.
Speaker 4: Then in the seventies and eighties they had the blocky
Speaker 4: jet spont that we remember so well marked with the.
Speaker 3: Jet on top.
Speaker 4: Sure, then in ninety when Parcels got there in ninety
Speaker 4: seven to ninety eight, they went back to name it
Speaker 4: then they went to some type of bizarre hybrid during
Speaker 4: the gase I call it the gase that are And
Speaker 4: now they're back to the seventies and eighties jet with
Speaker 4: the So that's what I saw in the scroll and
Speaker 4: I was like, that was cool. And then yesterday I
Speaker 4: also saw the Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth anniversary. Wow,
Speaker 4: which is that well age of man, and they will
Speaker 4: be wearing throwbacks from thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: And I saw it just before we started.
Speaker 5: Mark you're mentioning, Yeah, well, the Cleveland Browns, you know,
Speaker 5: I guess remember the Browns had the horrible uniforms.
Speaker 3: You they had to wait five years to get out
Speaker 3: of them. Like during our Cleveland was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: all over. I forget it. Where you're from the land.
Speaker 5: All these other teams seem to be able to change
Speaker 5: whatever they want, like every couple of years. But Cleveland
Speaker 5: made a couple of little tweaks and they went back
Speaker 5: to their white face masks, which they had from seventy
Speaker 5: five through ninety five right before they moved. So one
Speaker 5: of their best eras in the eighties there, especially early
Speaker 5: nineties with Belichick. Then again though in ninety nine through
Speaker 5: two thousand and five, which was a disaster, but I
Speaker 5: think we don't talk about those year. No, the white
Speaker 5: face masks literally look better. I think they're going to
Speaker 5: maybe adopt like the thinner stripes, and there's little tweaks
Speaker 5: that they're bringing up, making even more old ideas.
Speaker 4: Greggie, Yeah, when's the last so the brown that's a
Speaker 4: throwback to the Jets had just talked about when's the
Speaker 4: last time a team redid their uniforms? And it was
Speaker 4: a completely fresh uniform and it was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 4: that's cool?
Speaker 3: Or are we just now we're just probably answer eighties?
Speaker 3: Like you're right, none are.
Speaker 4: Like I remember when the Bucks rebranded in the late nineties,
Speaker 4: it was like, oh my god, they just totally everything
Speaker 4: feels different now sure enough it was under Dungee.
Speaker 3: Well let's think about that. Maybe we're missing one at
Speaker 3: pay behind the glass big funk. Maybe you guys, that's.
Speaker 6: That's fast, that's that's life, that's even even art has
Speaker 6: these like different cycles. But yes, I always remember when
Speaker 6: we were growing up watching like the old NBA clips
Speaker 6: of how short Robert Parrish's shorts were in the NBA
Speaker 6: and Larry Bird at that time, and thinking like, well,
Speaker 6: that's a ridiculous thing that will never happen again, and
Speaker 6: it's best completely differ us tennis right now, Like the
Speaker 6: shorts are actually shorter than the basketball shorts from the eighties,
Speaker 6: and it's coming for all of us. It's it's summer
Speaker 6: of thigh and I see, we.
Speaker 5: Love that trend. Thy many of us, all three of
Speaker 5: us equally loved that trend.
Speaker 4: I recently rewatched the thirty for thirty Fab five and
Speaker 4: that was a big part of their statement that they
Speaker 4: were different. It's like, I'm gonna wear clown shorts and
Speaker 4: everyone else is wearing the spankys.
Speaker 6: Shout out to the Jaguars fans you mentioning that it's
Speaker 6: the thirtieth anniversary. I know you guys don't want to
Speaker 6: hear it's. Oh the Browns and Jets.
Speaker 3: We've had.
Speaker 6: It's so hard, like sneaky, a lot of heartbreak. Now
Speaker 6: they've act they've never made They were still one of
Speaker 6: the only teams that have never made the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: They're thirty years old. That that takes up the vast
Speaker 6: majority of our lives here in a weird run that
Speaker 6: they've had because they were one of the best teams
Speaker 6: in the NFL for their first five seasons and been
Speaker 6: mostly stuck in mediacore.
Speaker 5: On your below, just as an asterix, I would note
Speaker 5: that the Browns are one of the other few teams
Speaker 5: that have.
Speaker 6: No I get it, been around for two I get it.
Speaker 6: I just mean in terms of living humans. At this point,
Speaker 6: you're a thirty five year old. With the Jags, you're
Speaker 6: forty year old. It's been a lot of a lot
Speaker 6: of losing.
Speaker 4: And don't forget Greg you especially although you conveniently have
Speaker 4: moved this out of your brain. Miles Jack wasn't down.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, was there like a heartbreak moment
Speaker 4: for the Jaguars.
Speaker 6: Sure they made three conference championships, you didn't win one.
Speaker 4: Of them, right, But when you basically have clinched a
Speaker 4: conference championship win and the officials and perhaps the league
Speaker 4: conspire to ensure the Jaguars don't get to go to
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, so the Patriots can go to their
Speaker 4: fourteenth Super Bowl, as happened without any.
Speaker 3: That's exactly That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: And so Jags fans out there is the greatest what
Speaker 4: if in JAG's history. Miles Jack wasn't down twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: AFC Championship.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that play?
Speaker 6: Of course I remember that play, And because he wasn't,
Speaker 6: they had the Patriots on the ropes. That defense was special.
Speaker 6: I don't think they would have won the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: that year anyways, but that defense was special. And the
Speaker 6: second time they lost to the Patriots in the conference
Speaker 6: championship because Drew Bledsoe took care of them way back
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety six. Probably their biggest heartbreak moment was
Speaker 6: the year they were the one seed and they were
Speaker 6: I think were sixteen and two or something and their
Speaker 6: division rivals, the Titans, came in there and they stomped them.
Speaker 6: And I think the Jags were decent sized favorites in
Speaker 6: that game. End absolutely, I knew, don't do this.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about the Jaguars greatest heartbreak? Yeah, great,
Speaker 4: twenty to ten.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that was their best team twenty they
Speaker 6: they were a one.
Speaker 4: Seed Jaguars over Patriots thirteen thirty seven to go in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter in Foxborough.
Speaker 3: Jack picks up a loose ball.
Speaker 4: He's going into the end zone to make it twenty
Speaker 4: seven to ten with thir ten and half minutes to play.
Speaker 4: Instead they wave it off and then the Patriot's gone
Speaker 4: to win.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want the Jaguard to beat that.
Speaker 6: Here's the upsow you shouldn't have done is blow a
Speaker 6: two score lead there in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: One upset together the AFC title game that Jaguars and
Speaker 5: points the play caller for the Jaguars, Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 3: There he is.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's gonna learned since, but uh,
Speaker 5: he had quite a nice run with the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Staniel Hackett.
Speaker 4: I think he actually that really helped his career because
Speaker 4: he was able to say that, well, I made something
Speaker 4: out of Blake Portles.
Speaker 3: Every now and then, I mean bade two seasons later.
Speaker 6: Every now and then, I feel like, oh, we're underserving
Speaker 6: certain fan bases. Some teams get talked about more than others.
Speaker 6: We just gave a great look back on the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 4: Right, we lost most of our listeners, but that's now,
Speaker 4: it's a fascinating Here was a heartbreaking, crescendoing, rough moment
Speaker 4: for you Jaguars fans.
Speaker 3: Let's spend twelve minutes on it.
Speaker 4: Another underserved fan base because of the scard in my left,
Speaker 4: the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: We're gonna dive deep a little.
Speaker 6: Bit of that is the our listeners, Please please tell
Speaker 6: us if you disagree with that.
Speaker 3: Because or tell us if you agree.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think if you if you just did
Speaker 6: a word cloud of all the teams that we've talked
Speaker 6: about in the history of this podcast, and even in
Speaker 6: the last five years, Giants are easily top ten. Okay,
Speaker 6: I would go top top six. Yeah, but you're typically
Speaker 6: because you guys love the Giants, but you're.
Speaker 3: Shading negative on them.
Speaker 4: I think we're fans going Okay, most negat said word
Speaker 4: cloud is Greg trying to assassinate the franchise's character or
Speaker 4: disregard them, or disparage them or discredit them, and then
Speaker 4: us as journalists reading to tell the other side of
Speaker 4: the story.
Speaker 3: Balance. This is a major pivot.
Speaker 4: Point in the current structure of Giants history, so we
Speaker 4: might need a certain segment to help us out unpack
Speaker 4: it all with a special guest, And I did mention
Speaker 4: a special guest coming up. He is a draft expert.
Speaker 4: He has been with this company for many years. He's
Speaker 4: a good guy all around.
Speaker 3: Chat ruder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, joining us breaking down his last mock draft. But
Speaker 4: before that's some news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, first of all, also with thank god.
Speaker 4: Man, listen, I'm very happy for Travis kelcey and and
Speaker 4: he's currently dating the most famous woman in the world,
Speaker 4: beautiful talented woman, and he's a major star as a
Speaker 4: as a result. In fact, he's about to host a
Speaker 4: new show on Amazon Prime, Are You Smarter Than a Celebrity?
Speaker 4: Which is kind of funny because some of his old tweets,
Speaker 4: But that's that's separate, that's what makes them a good Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I do. I do love me some pre Taylor Travis.
Speaker 4: And that was from the AFC title game a previous
Speaker 4: season against the Bengals when yeah, nobody, nobody, uh the
Speaker 4: Chiefs could never beat a Joe Burrow team. Well they
Speaker 4: did in that game. I'm looking forward to Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: being back on the scene this year. If you want
Speaker 4: to talk talk yoh poop, see that that's pre Taylor Travis.
Speaker 4: It's got a little bit more of that the white
Speaker 4: boy flow, and he's you know.
Speaker 5: Well and when they say that we are the people's
Speaker 5: podcast in their hearts, like we literally lost a contest
Speaker 5: for best sports podcast to Kelsey's podcast. So but we're
Speaker 5: able to still see him as at fair and balance.
Speaker 3: And honor to be nominated Mark just an honor, well true,
Speaker 3: just an honor. All right, let's start with a little
Speaker 3: bit of.
Speaker 4: Draft intrigue, because the Washington commanders, picking number two in
Speaker 4: the draft, have obviously interest in a quarterback, and the
Speaker 4: commanders are doing everything they can to be ready for
Speaker 4: next Thursday's big decision. And on Wednesday they welcome in
Speaker 4: LSU quarterback Jade and Daniels, North Carolina quarterback Drake May,
Speaker 4: Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy, Washington quarterback Michael Pennix, all visiting
Speaker 4: the facility tonight and tomorrow. So this was last night
Speaker 4: and today according to Burt Breer. So that's called due diligence.
Speaker 4: That feels us a little bit. What do we that
Speaker 4: feels a little much to pack him in all like that,
Speaker 4: But who knows how these schedules work. The commanders if there,
Speaker 4: if you ever wanted to wager something, because I know
Speaker 4: that's something people do. Now the commander is taking a
Speaker 4: quarterback and number two is off the board, like you
Speaker 4: couldn't I don't think you could even do that if
Speaker 4: you wanted to because it's so obvious it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's just who's it going to be.
Speaker 6: It's going to be Jaden Daniels according to the betting
Speaker 6: markets that you mentioned, and according to Adam Schefter, who
Speaker 6: does this thing every draft season. I've noticed where he
Speaker 6: kind of tells you what the picks are going to be,
Speaker 6: but he doesn't report him. But he'll do something like
Speaker 6: go on a Commander's fan podcast this week or last
Speaker 6: and say like, yeah, I think you can pretty much
Speaker 6: order your Daniel's jerseason.
Speaker 3: It's like, huh, that's interesting, and you look.
Speaker 6: At what he's tweeted out and he's he he couches
Speaker 6: it all as if like you're not allowed to report this,
Speaker 6: but you kind of know it, and then he ends
Speaker 6: up getting it right. I found with these these high
Speaker 6: level ones and he Adam Scheft shift and he's been
Speaker 6: on the Daniels front. So that's part of the reason
Speaker 6: why I wanted to bring this up was to me,
Speaker 6: that is significant that he's become kind of the heavy
Speaker 6: favorite to go to Washington, which you know, as a
Speaker 6: Patriots fan, I'm thrilled about because I'd love to get
Speaker 6: Drake May in the third spot. But I also just
Speaker 6: imagine what is it like in the facility when all
Speaker 6: these four quarterbacks are Are they there at the same time?
Speaker 6: I don't really know. Are they all going out to
Speaker 6: dinner at the same time? That is usually how it goes.
Speaker 6: That is a I would love to have a camera
Speaker 6: on that and just see see the dynamic.
Speaker 5: I would see because outside of the schefter nugget there,
Speaker 5: like Washington's done a nice job of not playing their
Speaker 5: hands here, and I feel like this is kind of
Speaker 5: like the next version of that, Like, hey, we're bringing
Speaker 5: them all in.
Speaker 6: But if even Pennix, who like in theory they would
Speaker 6: have to trade back, you would think if they took
Speaker 6: it right.
Speaker 5: If it is Daniels, then the only thing this does
Speaker 5: for me that's intriguing is like if Daniels is more
Speaker 5: unlikable or less impressive with the other three guys, and
Speaker 5: like someone could somehow supersed him. I don't think that's
Speaker 5: gonna happen, But I find it weird to have all
Speaker 5: four Like would you want to pick a life partner
Speaker 5: or a spouse and have four people in the same
Speaker 5: room competing for it? Maybe reality, but maybe, But I
Speaker 5: think that's sort of like fugazy on some level. Like
Speaker 5: also with quarterbacks, don't you want to take him into
Speaker 5: a room isolated and like show us how you do
Speaker 5: this and that you know, like really learn who they
Speaker 5: are or is it like group think and dinners?
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 4: I like that, we're not even Caleb. Doesn't you have
Speaker 4: to go down there? Well that and that's thankful. I mean,
Speaker 4: he can probably get a free dinner out of it
Speaker 4: if you wanted to. But even the commanders are like, uh,
Speaker 4: we're you know, could minderstand what's happening there? In other news,
Speaker 4: by the way, mentioned Patrick Mahomes. He has had obviously
Speaker 4: an all time start to his career. He's won three
Speaker 4: Super Bowls, He's won through three Super Bowl MVPs. For
Speaker 4: each of those games, he's won two NFL MVPs. He
Speaker 4: is only twenty eight years old, and that has led
Speaker 4: to a lot of talk.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to talk all the.
Speaker 4: Time about who's the goat, And it was Joe Montana,
Speaker 4: and then it was maybe Peyton Manning and then Tom
Speaker 4: Brady and based on success and statistically also, I mean
Speaker 4: I still have to say it's Tom Brady. But Patrick Mahons'
Speaker 4: the start is all time and he has a good
Speaker 4: perspective on it. And here's a quote because he was
Speaker 4: named one of the world's most Influential People of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four by Time magazine, which is still hanging in there.
Speaker 3: Time still think.
Speaker 6: The only time I hear about it is when it's
Speaker 6: the Time Top one hundred. They have a little party.
Speaker 6: Inevitably it's someone in sports or someone I follow on Twitter,
Speaker 6: and they're at the top the Time one hundred party,
Speaker 6: So they got enough juice that they get them to
Speaker 6: show up to the party.
Speaker 4: My senior year of college, as a big U two
Speaker 4: fan who was obsessed, especially at that age, Bono was
Speaker 4: on the cover of like the May two thousand and
Speaker 4: two issue and it's like a big picture of a
Speaker 4: big serious Bono face of the glasses holding up in
Speaker 4: a leather jacket with the American flag inside, and then
Speaker 4: the headline is Ken Bono Save the World.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, I'm putting on the door
Speaker 3: of my dorm for rest.
Speaker 5: What the answer was, No, he did actually saved the
Speaker 5: On's why you're still here, So all right, well that is.
Speaker 3: News to me.
Speaker 5: You're breaking that news I feel like we're in decline
Speaker 5: on some level, but he.
Speaker 3: Did his best anyway. So here's what he had to say.
Speaker 4: I've had at least one of the top three starts
Speaker 4: to a career.
Speaker 3: I'll put it that way.
Speaker 4: I love that perspective it is, but it's also that's
Speaker 4: a little humble because he's had the best start. I
Speaker 4: don't know how can when you factor in not just
Speaker 4: a team success but also individual success. I don't think
Speaker 4: anyone touches him.
Speaker 6: I just appreciate that he is framing it in a
Speaker 6: way that is more intelligent to me than how all
Speaker 6: the sports talk yakers are talking about it, because you
Speaker 6: can only compare, Okay, what's he done his first six years.
Speaker 6: It's stupid to compare him to people who had an
Speaker 6: entire career. It's just unfair and it's stupid. But he's saying,
Speaker 6: I've had one of the top three starts, and he's
Speaker 6: done the homework. He mentioned specifically Brady, who individually just
Speaker 6: wasn't doesn't measure close to that level.
Speaker 3: But I get it.
Speaker 6: He had two Super Bowl MVPs and three titles. So
Speaker 6: I think that's why Mahomes is thinking, just hate titles. Uh, Montana,
Speaker 6: who had a very strong start to his career at
Speaker 6: MVP in there has a title in there, uh and
Speaker 6: some MVP votes and he throws in Marina and Marino
Speaker 6: to me is the only one that you could say
Speaker 6: would be close to the same level individually, because you
Speaker 6: look at him and he was either the MVP or
Speaker 6: AP first team quarterback his first four years, so he
Speaker 6: was in terms of just ranking your quarterbacks, and I
Speaker 6: think Mahomes has always been in the top five, usually
Speaker 6: the top three, off in the top one like, and
Speaker 6: he's been that throughout. The only one that could even
Speaker 6: compare would maybe be Marino in the you know, the
Speaker 6: other one that popped in my mind and I went
Speaker 6: to check the AP.
Speaker 3: Votes Sam Darnold j M.
Speaker 6: Because really his people basically didn't have a good career
Speaker 6: after his first five years. But in the first five
Speaker 6: years of his career, he was one of, if not
Speaker 6: the best quarterback in the league for about five years.
Speaker 5: I'd push back on Montana. He did crossed twenty touchdowns
Speaker 5: until his fifth season. I know it's a different time,
Speaker 5: but sure he didn't. He was only eighteen and fifteen.
Speaker 5: Over his first four seasons, he barely played over his
Speaker 5: first two seasons, and then year three came and he
Speaker 5: won the super Bowl in all that business, top.
Speaker 6: Five MVP twice in his first six seasons. But you're right,
Speaker 6: it's not like Mahomes.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Mahomes is, but he's correct to
Speaker 5: point to point back in history in like Marino was
Speaker 5: an outlier.
Speaker 6: He's looking at it off.
Speaker 4: No, I like that, and Marino is the first one
Speaker 4: I thought of that would be a little off the
Speaker 4: beaten path. He hit the ground running as a super
Speaker 4: duper star and went to the super Bowl in his
Speaker 4: second season when he won MVP, and he never got
Speaker 4: over the hump.
Speaker 3: So sounds like it's harder.
Speaker 5: To do like what the Chiefs and Mahomes have done
Speaker 5: in this era than back when three or four teams
Speaker 5: dominated the NFL for like long stretches a ton of time.
Speaker 3: Right, Marina, It is crazy, man.
Speaker 6: He led the league in yards four out of his
Speaker 6: first six years, when you know, had that great first
Speaker 6: season where he's but he didn't start the whole season
Speaker 6: where he was thirty in MVP. He in a season
Speaker 6: he didn't start the whole season. Then he won MVP.
Speaker 6: Then he was the first team All Pro and then
Speaker 6: he was third in MVP. That is just crazy. And
Speaker 6: he is got out to the Dolphins Stans. You always
Speaker 6: stick up for him because that is about that.
Speaker 4: And you heard me giving him love too, by the way,
Speaker 4: throwing for five thousand yards and nearly fifty touchdowns in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four total outlaws.
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Sane.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see who the difference between first and
Speaker 4: second place that year, Marino of the mid eighties. And
Speaker 4: you're not going to like this and some of your people, Greg,
Speaker 4: He's what you wanted justin Herbert to be in his
Speaker 4: first four years, but he hasn't quite gotten there, like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's that specially he's that guy.
Speaker 3: He's not that guy. That's that guy. He's that guy.
Speaker 6: I would never put him in that category.
Speaker 3: But I think that the way the talk around her,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think that Herbert chatter is as loud right
Speaker 5: now as it was even last off season.
Speaker 6: I mean I would have different, I would have liked that.
Speaker 6: I mean, he hasn't even been close to Mahomes, no
Speaker 6: one has. But yeah, it's not even a not even
Speaker 6: a comp all right.
Speaker 4: In other news, here's a guy who used to be
Speaker 4: talked about as a top quarterback, but not so much
Speaker 4: in recent seasons. Deshaun Watson, who is entering his third
Speaker 4: season with the Rounds.
Speaker 3: He suspended the first one, right, been there two years.
Speaker 3: Two years, Okay, I mean vaguely.
Speaker 4: He's coming off a season ending right shoulder injury that
Speaker 4: was very serious.
Speaker 3: The underwent surgery November to.
Speaker 4: Repair what was a displaced fractured to the glenoyd in
Speaker 4: his throwing shoulder. His throwing program is moving along, he
Speaker 4: said Tuesday that everything is in full motion. Everything is fluid,
Speaker 4: and motion is really good. The velocity and the strength
Speaker 4: are really good. So everything progressing. Although it's not sure
Speaker 4: mark yet whether he'll be cleared for OTAs, so physically
Speaker 4: he's not all there. Still absolutely blows my mind that
Speaker 4: it's not Joe Flacco who's there to fill in. If
Speaker 4: this needs to take a little longer, it would be
Speaker 4: Jameis Winston, but Watson is on tree, it seems for
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: There's just intense pressure on this working out and we're
Speaker 5: two plus years into it and taking a look at
Speaker 5: his QBR from twenty two to twenty three, forty point
Speaker 5: four and forty two point nine, which are a full
Speaker 5: twenty points lower than any other season he played in
Speaker 5: the league. He's not been the same player. Durability has
Speaker 5: been an issue too. It's like, if you're going to
Speaker 5: go make the trade for someone that you did for
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson, you want to know he's going to be there, present, NonStop.
Speaker 5: He wasn't present the first year for off the Field Antics,
Speaker 5: and he wasn't president last year because his body didn't
Speaker 5: hold up. And in year three, if you don't get
Speaker 5: a glowing version of this quarterback like it already is
Speaker 5: the worst quarterback trade that we can think of in
Speaker 5: the past of this century, and it has a chance
Speaker 5: to become a full bloom disaster. And it's crazy for
Speaker 5: me to think that Kevin Stefanski, who has won two
Speaker 5: Coach of the Year awards, which is atypical for a
Speaker 5: coach that's barely won a playoff game, like he.
Speaker 3: Was actually in his basement when they won THEMA that's
Speaker 3: the cret.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean he's done a good job, especially when
Speaker 5: Watson's not been in there. He's done a good job coaching,
Speaker 5: in fact better I think, But the pressure on him
Speaker 5: and Andrew Berry and everyone else is immense because the
Speaker 5: quarterback's not going anywhere because of the money attached to him.
Speaker 4: This maybe this makes you feel better out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: I had a vision yesterday that Watson. I assume within
Speaker 4: this vision, although it didn't go into this realm, Watson
Speaker 4: gets hurt again.
Speaker 3: That the Browns pick up.
Speaker 4: The phone and they call the Colts, who are happy
Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson's progress and he's healthy, and they go
Speaker 4: and they get him back, get flex, Well you got
Speaker 4: you got the joker Winston in there, But now let's
Speaker 4: get an adult in here, Flacco while Watson uh Idols
Speaker 4: waste time back in ir like.
Speaker 5: If that happened in week State Week twelve, could Flaco
Speaker 5: win comeback Player of the Year again?
Speaker 3: I would love it? It would be amazing.
Speaker 4: Can we cut this for when this inevitably happens in
Speaker 4: October late October, right around Hollowey.
Speaker 6: If Winston comes in there and out plays him, that'll
Speaker 6: be like the seventh different Stefanski quarterback that that's done.
Speaker 3: That just see how many can do it at this point?
Speaker 6: Why the most note newsworthy things. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 6: I think he'd be a fun fit with Watson you.
Speaker 3: Have fun, you won't win a lot of games.
Speaker 6: But Stefanski h Watson, you know, he might not be
Speaker 6: fully ready until training camp. Wasn't worried about that. He
Speaker 6: did kind of you know thing that annoyed me a
Speaker 6: little bit. He mentions like, hey, I might have actually
Speaker 6: hurt my shoulder in week three until he's kind of
Speaker 6: throwing out these and he did hurt his shoulder in
Speaker 6: week three, but he might have had the injury that
Speaker 6: ended up requiring surgery, he said in week three, and
Speaker 6: he was playing through it, so kind of throwing that
Speaker 6: out there, which I didn't love. But part the only
Speaker 6: one of the reasons I put this on there is
Speaker 6: I learned last week and I meant to mention it
Speaker 6: here that Deshaun Watson has a podcast and Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 6: was a meant a guest of this post. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: I was like.
Speaker 4: Wait, what what is the Shawn Watson talking about on
Speaker 4: his podcast?
Speaker 6: Okay, Like I would love to I should go listen
Speaker 6: to probably now it's called QB Unplugged. They've got some
Speaker 6: major issues. I went and checked their feed and it's
Speaker 6: it's very inconsistent, but it says there's been quite a
Speaker 6: number of episodes, I think thirteen episodes, except it just
Speaker 6: in the podcast feed. It skips from episode seven to
Speaker 6: thirteen with no mention, but many months in between. And
Speaker 6: the Stefanski one, which is up on YouTube, is not
Speaker 6: in that feed. Because I was curious. I actually was thinking, hey,
Speaker 6: maybe I'll listen to us Stefanski Watson podcasts, but it's
Speaker 6: not in the feed. So they've got some tech issues.
Speaker 3: Are you sure that? Like his whole life skipped about
Speaker 3: like five.
Speaker 6: Years now, I mean this one. Plus they were during
Speaker 6: the season last year, so I guess I'm I'm just
Speaker 6: saying the podcast seems to be going as well as
Speaker 6: as the career in with the Browns we have.
Speaker 4: There are many podcasts featuring current and former NFL players
Speaker 4: that are worth your while. But when you hear things
Speaker 4: like Deshaun Watson has a podcast, we have saturated the market.
Speaker 3: Players. Let's let's start.
Speaker 4: You know, the union maybe should get involved in be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: we're not letting you all do podcasts right because it's
Speaker 4: annoying to everyone. We're gonna knock it down now going forward,
Speaker 4: there are only seventy player podcasts, and we will let
Speaker 4: you know who you if you're on that list.
Speaker 5: I mean it's fair, it's countercultural to produce a podcast
Speaker 5: that's not available, like I think that that's the next level.
Speaker 6: I guess it's on YouTube, so maybe it's more more
Speaker 6: that I don't know.
Speaker 4: All right, let's take a break and we'll now drill
Speaker 4: in when we come back on one of the teams
Speaker 4: that are at the center of.
Speaker 7: Next Thursday's Realm one.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, at on after Dark.
Speaker 4: This is the one of the most important segments in
Speaker 4: the show's history because it is a segment that, first
Speaker 4: of all, is a phenomenon. I mean, people go nuts
Speaker 4: about it, but it's also it's what separates us from
Speaker 4: the Pact because we see things, we see storylines, we
Speaker 4: see the future of the league in the way that
Speaker 4: very few people can. And and Mark and I are
Speaker 4: the founders and co creators. Greg, you've come on and
Speaker 4: really made a lot of advances. And what's it Greg's role.
Speaker 5: With the it was like production assistant to some degree.
Speaker 5: But I will say our most recent one introduced like
Speaker 5: the last you know, two or three guests, well I'd
Speaker 5: say one, but but yes, you had a trench in
Speaker 5: Eagles episode that I think in the eyes of the listener,
Speaker 5: raised Greg's status within this world. Right, Well, it doesn't
Speaker 5: have to work on the other outside of.
Speaker 6: The The key is we have like a patriots, like
Speaker 6: humble nature to us, not trying to take you know, Louis.
Speaker 3: Was a little presumptive there, all right.
Speaker 4: Anyway, hit hit it again, hit it again, because we
Speaker 4: now welcome in our guest. And I'm sorry that he
Speaker 4: had to listen to that internal conversation in bickering and
Speaker 4: he's probably thinking, what the hell are they talking about?
Speaker 4: That doesn't matter. This is the beat man for the record.
Speaker 4: He is a voice that has covered this team, the
Speaker 4: New York Giants we were about to talk about, since
Speaker 4: twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: This is Art Stapleton. Welcome to around the Outcock.
Speaker 2: What's up, fellas, Thanks for having me, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Great to have you Art, And by the way, I
Speaker 4: want to say it's good to have art.
Speaker 3: Where are you from?
Speaker 2: Originally North Jersey, born and raised and live in New
Speaker 2: York now, but you know New York, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Bargen County, Guy, Bergen County Guy.
Speaker 4: So I grew up in Rockland County and I would
Speaker 4: drive from Pearl River over the border to Monfale to
Speaker 4: get cheaper gas. And I just want to say, like
Speaker 4: I was listening to your podcast, Art getting ready for
Speaker 4: this segment today, the All In podcast and All In
Speaker 4: with Art Stapleton got to get the name in there.
Speaker 3: I like that, and it's just like God, it's nice
Speaker 3: to hear someone that it sounds like me, you know.
Speaker 4: I like someone that said as Cawra got married, it's
Speaker 4: it's finally, it's good to have a North Jersey Tri
Speaker 4: state area.
Speaker 3: Guys that were partly.
Speaker 5: Thank you reportedly came from a coaltown. Dan has told
Speaker 5: us for we have not we you know, I grew
Speaker 5: up about twenty miles from Damn, but you grew up
Speaker 5: in a coletown, according to his own reporting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I think everyone knows Pearl River is a coltown,
Speaker 4: Art right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know Pearl River now we know it
Speaker 2: as you know, just another town that's near the Pala
Speaker 2: Stage Mall, very much just like my town. Rochelle Park
Speaker 2: is right near Parmise and we live near the Garden
Speaker 2: State Plaza.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the area.
Speaker 2: Really all you're about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the summer of two thousand, many memories of the
Speaker 4: TGI Fridays where I was a server went by Danny.
Speaker 3: All right, all right enough, let's focus. I apologize.
Speaker 4: This flashpoint focus series is all about getting ahead of
Speaker 4: the story and the Giants are a fascinating study here
Speaker 4: because they.
Speaker 3: Have the sixth pick. And let's start where we got
Speaker 3: to start at the quarterback?
Speaker 4: All right, Like, so you would say that John and
Speaker 4: ownership is not going to stand in the way if
Speaker 4: this team has a quarterback that they love with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 4: how put the odds on a percentage chance they end
Speaker 4: up coming out around one with a quarterback in your mind.
Speaker 2: Well, if they were sitting at three, i'd say ninety
Speaker 2: eight point, you know, nine nine nine nine nine percent.
Speaker 2: But they're not. So a lot of their quarterback quest,
Speaker 2: I think is going to be dependent on what the
Speaker 2: teams ahead of them do in that situation. And if
Speaker 2: New England, Arizona or the Chargers want to move, I
Speaker 2: think they'll look to move. You know, John Marat told
Speaker 2: a story at the owners meetings, and I'll try to
Speaker 2: keep it as concise as possible, But was just the
Speaker 2: idea back in two thousand and four when his father
Speaker 2: Wellington had to be convinced that it was time to
Speaker 2: move on from Kerry Collins and draft a quarterback and
Speaker 2: make a trade up. And Ernie A. Corsi, the general
Speaker 2: manager at the time, and Tom Cofflin, the first year
Speaker 2: head coach at the time, loved Eli Manning and they
Speaker 2: wanted to make a trade up. And John Marra recalled
Speaker 2: having to convince his dad, look, we know you love
Speaker 2: Kerry Collins, but we have to make a move. And
Speaker 2: they ended up making that trade. They let Kerry Collins go,
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner came in, and we all know, you know
Speaker 2: NFL and Giants' history, what happened, you know that season,
Speaker 2: and Kurt ended up getting benched with a winning team.
Speaker 2: But I think John mara is kind of in the
Speaker 2: position of his father from that year, and he needs
Speaker 2: to be convinced that, you know, the guy he loves,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, the guy he said a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago that you know they've done everything to screw him up. Well,
Speaker 2: it gets to a point where as badly as a
Speaker 2: guy may have been screwed up, you just have to
Speaker 2: move on. And that's where the Giants are right now.
Speaker 6: To follow up on that, who do you think like
Speaker 6: in terms of pie of is making these decisions, is
Speaker 6: really calling the shots, because to me, it's in awkward situation.
Speaker 6: Joe Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones. And how desperate do
Speaker 6: you think Joe Shane is that their GM and Brian
Speaker 6: Dabele is obviously involved in offensive coach And how much
Speaker 6: does the Jones negotiation last year? And you know, play
Speaker 6: into it because I look at it and it's not
Speaker 6: like they have extra draft picks or anything. And it's
Speaker 6: not like they have a roster that is, you know,
Speaker 6: has a lot of talent at every position. They have
Speaker 6: a lot of needs. Like how much do you think
Speaker 6: Joe Shane and if he's making the decision is willing
Speaker 6: to give up future resources for a team that has
Speaker 6: a lot of holes.
Speaker 2: It's a great point, Greg, And I just think that
Speaker 2: from Shane's perspective. And one thing you know that I've
Speaker 2: gotten to learn and I'm still getting to learn. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been through general managers and coaches here covering the Giants.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm on my seventeenth head coach and
Speaker 2: fifteenth general manager. But Shane believes in the process. You know,
Speaker 2: he believes that you know, if he gets his process, right,
Speaker 2: He'll deal with the results now. The results have been
Speaker 2: hot and cold since he's gotten here going into year three.
Speaker 2: But that contract, I don't believe that that contract or
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones's extension was forced on Joe Shane. I think
Speaker 2: you know, he made the call as well, you know,
Speaker 2: so he has to own the idea that if it's
Speaker 2: time to move on from Daniel Jones, he just made
Speaker 2: a different decision last year. But the reality is that
Speaker 2: they did structure the contract. Now they're not out clean
Speaker 2: next year with Jones, but they certainly haven't out to
Speaker 2: the point where I think it's twenty two million dollars
Speaker 2: in dead money. You know, we can talk about the
Speaker 2: cap and whether it's valid. I think this is Jones.
Speaker 2: This is a call for Shane to make. And they
Speaker 2: know what it was like to be up in Buffalo,
Speaker 2: and they know they're in the top ten, and if
Speaker 2: they're in the top ten next year, in a year after,
Speaker 2: they might be looking for jobs. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that he's going to make a pick based on keeping
Speaker 2: his job, but he's got to make a call now.
Speaker 2: If what they leave is a great quarterback class, if
Speaker 2: they have an opportunity to get one of their guys.
Speaker 2: They've got to pull the trigger and then see what
Speaker 2: happens after that.
Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, from where we stand now,
Speaker 5: next year's QB class is you know, considered lesser by
Speaker 5: by a bunch. And if you're Brian Dabele and Shane's like,
Speaker 5: will you even be here next draft season?
Speaker 3: If you falter this year? That things go south.
Speaker 5: I looked at your mock and it was an interesting
Speaker 5: one because you got all the wide receivers going up top,
Speaker 5: like the Cardinals stay home, take Neighbors, the Chargers take Odonze,
Speaker 5: then the Giants at six take Drake May and that
Speaker 5: that would be a surprise if all that occurred, I
Speaker 5: think is I kept keep thinking one of these teams
Speaker 5: is going to trade down. But let's say it was
Speaker 5: a chance to take one of the big wideouts or
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy like, do you think the Giants are cool
Speaker 5: with the top four I'd say the top second through
Speaker 5: fourth quarterback whoever it is, or is it like one
Speaker 5: of the they let they want to see one of them,
Speaker 5: particularly fault on And do you have information on like
Speaker 5: who who they think fits their system the most?
Speaker 4: Which guy currently and why Washington right now? Right commanders
Speaker 4: do they like the most?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Mark, it's a great point.
Speaker 2: I mean it's all a guessing game, right. I mean
Speaker 2: we're trying to be educated. You try to make calls,
Speaker 2: you try to know what teams are thinking. I think
Speaker 2: Shane has done a great job of keeping everybody guessing.
Speaker 2: You know, there are thirty visits. They've brought in May
Speaker 2: and McCarthy and they had workouts with those guys, and
Speaker 2: then they brought in Daniels and they were on campus
Speaker 2: with Pennix and you know, they even had Caleb back
Speaker 2: at the combine when you know, just you know, maybe
Speaker 2: there was that one percent that he wasn't going to Chicago. Uh,
Speaker 2: they've had all the wide receivers in. I think the
Speaker 2: McCarthy thing is, you know, it's about traits, right, It's
Speaker 2: about what you can't see. It's about a leap of
Speaker 2: faith that everyone's saying. You know, some coaches will see
Speaker 2: I can turn this guy into something special.
Speaker 3: That sounds mac jonesy.
Speaker 6: By the way, now that sounds Daniel Jonesy. I mean,
Speaker 6: because that was a guy who has got like a
Speaker 6: consensus second quarterback in that class, but they thought they
Speaker 6: could see something others did.
Speaker 2: It's true, you know what, but I would say that
Speaker 2: you trust Pat Shermer. Pat Shermer got one year out
Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones. It turns out to be, you know,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones's high point really set up his rest of
Speaker 2: his career with the Giants until that playoff run. But
Speaker 2: look that the cornerstone of this of this front office.
Speaker 2: The two guys are Shannon Dable come from Buffalo and
Speaker 2: they went through they lived the Josh Allen experience. And
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier now to look at it and say, oh,
Speaker 2: well he was their guy. He was their guy, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't the popular guy. And I really think that
Speaker 2: they trust Dabele and to an extent, Kafka and Shay Tierney,
Speaker 2: who's gotten a bump now as the quarterbacks coach, that
Speaker 2: they can bring in a guy. Look what they did
Speaker 2: with Tommy DeVito last year. If we get a guy
Speaker 2: in that we believe in, we could turn him up
Speaker 2: and turn a JJ McCarthy or Drake May into the
Speaker 2: best quarterback in this in this draft. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they can, but I think that that's kind of
Speaker 2: some of the insight that I've gotten from the Giants
Speaker 2: and that you know, just because we think JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: has the potential of being the number two guy in
Speaker 2: this class, is not going to shy. We're not going
Speaker 2: to shy away from taking him.
Speaker 4: And you know, coincidentally this morning, again it speaks to
Speaker 4: and art apologies the forward thinking nature of this segment.
Speaker 4: Flash point focused naturally that NFL Network was airing Super
Speaker 4: Bowl forty six this morning between the Giants and Patriots.
Speaker 3: A second and eleven.
Speaker 4: Welker, you got to pull an in bro four minutes
Speaker 4: to play Greggy one time out for the Giants and
Speaker 4: pats up too, leaving that clock down. There's going to
Speaker 4: be a minute left on the clock and pats up
Speaker 4: five at the very least.
Speaker 3: And as it makes that.
Speaker 5: Catch, as g Justelle said, you know, my husband, my
Speaker 5: ex husband at this point like can't throw the ball, can't.
Speaker 3: Throw the ball ahead and catch it.
Speaker 6: I think the take that I've said the most on
Speaker 6: this podcast, that you've just said you don't believe me
Speaker 6: for some reason, is that that's easily the most painful
Speaker 6: in Patriots history, easily outweighs the other.
Speaker 4: The other time, A whole conversation, we digress, yes, and
Speaker 4: then the turkey shot to beat all turkey shots from
Speaker 4: Eli to Mannaham.
Speaker 3: Let's pause real quick. We'll be right back with Art
Speaker 3: Stableton on the Giants.
Speaker 4: We're back. Can we fly up arts? Tweet this morning?
Speaker 4: This is the type of production we have here.
Speaker 3: Art.
Speaker 4: You you thought of something, you fly it up, and
Speaker 4: then we have it art stabled in Holy hell, this
Speaker 4: is going to be the craziest New York Giants draft
Speaker 4: on days one and two that I think I will
Speaker 4: have covered on the beat.
Speaker 3: The mood swings will be epic. I got engagement with
Speaker 3: this tweet.
Speaker 4: Yeah at pop Yeah, Art's respected, he goes back a
Speaker 4: long way. The team and the fan base trust him,
Speaker 4: and I want to ask the question mood swings. That's
Speaker 4: a good way to get into it because listen, as
Speaker 4: a jets Van Art like I struggle with the knowledge
Speaker 4: that the The Giants are a Tiffany franchise and they're
Speaker 4: led by ownership that you can trust, that know how
Speaker 4: to handle situations. Overall, However, I think it's fair to
Speaker 4: say that since the turkey shot to Manningham and a
Speaker 4: mod Bradshaw falling into the end zone, and then four
Speaker 4: days later coming out to Culver City and me interviewing
Speaker 4: him and being very clear that a mod Bradshaw had
Speaker 4: not slept or stopped partying since that game.
Speaker 3: I digress once more. But since then, there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of nothing.
Speaker 4: And I know the way Daniel Jones closed two years
Speaker 4: ago and then they beat a bad Vikings team in
Speaker 4: the playoffs and all that, that kind of satiated the
Speaker 4: fan base a little bit.
Speaker 3: But ownership, like, where is the patients level?
Speaker 4: Where where do you get in terms of internally where
Speaker 4: the Giants are? Because it has been now a pretty
Speaker 4: cold period, especially for a team that's really had a
Speaker 4: fair amount of success in the past thirty forty years.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, the impatients really went through
Speaker 2: the last three head coaching regimes. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the fourth head coach since Tom Koughlin left the franchise
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. You know, it wasn't that long ago, right,
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like it. But you know, I
Speaker 2: just think that ownership believes in this front office. I
Speaker 2: really do think that, and I do think that the
Speaker 2: Giants want to get back to the point where they're
Speaker 2: not changing everything every two three years. You know that
Speaker 2: being said, it does come down to the results and
Speaker 2: if they completely flop again this year, and you know,
Speaker 2: we saw all this talk a couple months ago, the
Speaker 2: idea of what if, what if Bill Belichick is on
Speaker 2: the market, would the Giants blow out this regime and
Speaker 2: bring Bill back home? And right now, I think it's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: but I've seen ridiculous covering this team since twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: So you know, look, there's pressure, what level of pressure.
Speaker 2: I don't think the ownership is looking to get guys
Speaker 2: out of here. I think John Marra believes in Joe Shane.
Speaker 2: He likes Joe Shane the general manager, being the front
Speaker 2: man of his organization. I think they like Brian Dable.
Speaker 2: I think they don't believe that last year the team
Speaker 2: quit on him. You know, ultimately it matters when you
Speaker 2: move down the line. I mean, guys don't get into
Speaker 2: Canton because their teams didn't quit on them. They get
Speaker 2: into Canton because they won. And I think that's kind
Speaker 2: of where they're at. So the hot seat, the seats
Speaker 2: are as hot as what they make them. And this year,
Speaker 2: I don't believe ownership is looking to make changes at
Speaker 2: the end of the season. But they weren't looking to
Speaker 2: get rid of Joe Judge three days before the end
Speaker 2: of the Joe Judge season. But because they had to
Speaker 2: look for a general manager the way Judge became toxic
Speaker 2: in a sense, they had to get rid of them.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't believe they went into twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: looking to get rid of Ben mcindo, but the team
Speaker 2: imploded locker He lost the locker room, and they had
Speaker 2: no choice but to blow everybody out. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: But I think ownership is confident that Shane's history and
Speaker 2: what he's shown to this point and how he'll grow
Speaker 2: as a front office executive will turn this team in
Speaker 2: the right direction. How quickly that happens, we'll just have
Speaker 2: to wait and see.
Speaker 5: When do you think the last time that John Mara
Speaker 5: and Bill Belichick spoke on the phone, When did that occur?
Speaker 4: And also, like you said, you right now see it
Speaker 4: as ridiculous. I'm curious, like why you see it that way?
Speaker 2: What Belichick is real?
Speaker 3: Returning returning the idea of it.
Speaker 2: I think I think the idea that everybody watched him
Speaker 2: in New England and saw how that went downhill. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know what would Bill be willing to do? Would
Speaker 2: be would Bill be willing to come in and you know,
Speaker 2: work with Joe Shane in a front office, or would
Speaker 2: he have to pick his handpick guy. Or would Bill
Speaker 2: want to be the GM and be the head coach
Speaker 2: because that failed? Or would Bill just want to coach
Speaker 2: the team. There's there's different levels of a return of
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. As far as the phone calls from John
Speaker 2: Mahra and Bill Belichick, I'm guessing they kind of laid
Speaker 2: low after the whole Brian Flores, Brian Dable, wrong, Brian
Speaker 2: Texics Hi aim from Bill Belichick to Brian Flores. But
Speaker 2: I could tell you, look, Belichick's heart will there will
Speaker 2: always be a piece of his heart with the Giants,
Speaker 2: and there will always be a piece of the Giants
Speaker 2: with Bill Belichick. I don't believe that going into you know,
Speaker 2: the draft, that John mara is sitting there saying, you
Speaker 2: know what, if this fails, I'm bringing Bill back. But
Speaker 2: in a couple of months, if things really don't go
Speaker 2: the way they expected it to go, and Bill places
Speaker 2: a call with his intermediaries, I can't tell you that
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. We're talking about the greatest
Speaker 2: coach in NFL history, and there's a piece of that.
Speaker 2: I think that the Giants would it would appeal to ownership,
Speaker 2: but not many people other than John Marra are in
Speaker 2: that organization left from when Belichick was the defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: with Parcels as well. You know, Belichick is as much
Speaker 2: the guy who lost the two Lombardies that are sitting
Speaker 2: in the lobby of the facility that he is the
Speaker 2: defensive court to help deliver the first two Lombardies. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of the way the Giants are. It really
Speaker 2: does come down to John Marra and Steve Tish to
Speaker 2: an extent, who is the co owner. He has a
Speaker 2: relationship with Bill Belichick as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a reporting on ESPN. We might hit
Speaker 6: this a little more tomorrow about Belichick, but that yeah,
Speaker 6: he kind of had an eye on all these NFC
Speaker 6: East teams, essentially the Giants, Eagles, Washington that next year,
Speaker 6: and that he was willing in Atlanta to not be
Speaker 6: in charge of personnel, which was an interesting nugget if
Speaker 6: that was true. He's willing to work with with their
Speaker 6: GM and he he still didn't get that job here
Speaker 6: last one for me at least art is just like
Speaker 6: if there are a lot of different scenarios, just they
Speaker 6: have so many needs, Like do you think if there's
Speaker 6: two good like number one wide receivers available at six
Speaker 6: in the top three quarterbacks are gone and I'm including
Speaker 6: may to me, you know, is the most Josh Allen
Speaker 6: like and maybe has the highest ceiling other than capable.
Speaker 6: And to say there are gone, you know when when
Speaker 6: you look at this raster and what they think their
Speaker 6: their needs are, like, how do you think they'll they'll evaluate,
Speaker 6: you know, having the like can they feel like they
Speaker 6: leave this draft? I guess is my larger question without
Speaker 6: a quarterback if they just don't think the value is
Speaker 6: there at six versus like forcing it, like like you
Speaker 6: could argue they did with with Jones at the same
Speaker 6: position five years ago.
Speaker 2: I completely get the sentiment, and I agree with you.
Speaker 2: You can't just look at this draft and say we
Speaker 2: have six picks, we have to get a quarterback with
Speaker 2: one of them. And what does that mean? You know,
Speaker 2: you you've got coaches here. You know you made the
Speaker 2: call last year to have Daniel Jones here. You have
Speaker 2: Drew Locke here, You have an undrafted guy in Devedo
Speaker 2: who you know, at this point, you know, it was
Speaker 2: much much more of a fan favorite than he was
Speaker 2: a future you know, solution at quarterback. You know, look,
Speaker 2: I think that's why they've done the homework. You know,
Speaker 2: give credit to Garifolo and rap report with the you know,
Speaker 2: they had visits over the weekend with Bone Nix and
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler. I mean if Dable looks at you know,
Speaker 2: Nicks and says, look, I love this kid. We saw
Speaker 2: him at the Senior Bowl, he came in here. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that a year under under our coaching, that
Speaker 2: we can get him to be a you know, a
Speaker 2: top fifteen quarterback in this league. You know, maybe they
Speaker 2: look to use their early second round pick, maybe we
Speaker 2: have to move up a little bit. Maybe they like
Speaker 2: Rattler right there in the second round, or even you know,
Speaker 2: moving up from their third round pick. I do think
Speaker 2: that there are guys. Shane made a comment a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago Greg that you're gonna get quarterbacks from
Speaker 2: all different places in this draft, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of interpreted like, you know, we know the top guys,
Speaker 2: but we may be looking for guys who might be
Speaker 2: developmental guys. You know, they have a guy and Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones who money wise on the books. You know, they're
Speaker 2: not lying when they say they hope to start the
Speaker 2: season with him in week one because they they have
Speaker 2: an idea that they want to develop a quarterback a
Speaker 2: little bit similar to the way the Giants know for
Speaker 2: with Eli. But the reality is it's just going to
Speaker 2: have to depend on how their board breaks and how
Speaker 2: aggressive they're going to be. They don't have eleven picks,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they can't just all of a sudden
Speaker 2: start throwing picks around and saying, you know what, we
Speaker 2: need to get this quarterback. And if they do, they
Speaker 2: better be right because if they're not right on the quarterback,
Speaker 2: especially if they get rid of assets to get a quarterback,
Speaker 2: they're going to be leave themselves short at other positions
Speaker 2: and that is only going to hurt them on the
Speaker 2: field this year. And do you have ownership buy in, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I believe they do to a point, but
Speaker 2: if they go against what ownership wants and ownership says,
Speaker 2: you know what, we believe in you. But if it
Speaker 2: fails and fails miserably, then you got a problem.
Speaker 4: Art Stableton. Thank you very much, sir, and check out
Speaker 4: all of arch Giants coverage the record. They're in North
Speaker 4: Jersey North Jersey dot Com. Of course his podcast as
Speaker 4: well if you want the late on the Giants all
Speaker 4: in with Art Stable to thank you very much, good sir,
Speaker 4: and shout out to the Rocklandburg and Alliance.
Speaker 2: You've got it, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 4: There he goes Art Stable and uh, it just didn't
Speaker 4: make me think. First of all, they really are. The
Speaker 4: mood swings are set up for the Giants because unless
Speaker 4: they make an aggressive move up the board, which i
Speaker 4: you know, you never know, but they kind of are.
Speaker 3: They have to wait it out and they.
Speaker 4: Have to see what is presented in front of them
Speaker 4: and it could lead to a new quarterback or.
Speaker 6: Greg Like you said, they could see how they move back,
Speaker 6: you know, they could see what the Patriots would take.
Speaker 3: It really feels like that logical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Giants, Then you're it's the nerves are high because
Speaker 4: it's hard to really you know what's happening the first
Speaker 4: two picks obviously, but then like how these teams and
Speaker 4: it's funny, this is how the draft and this is
Speaker 4: how the sau Siege gets made. Your entire organization's future
Speaker 4: is kind of hinging on these other teams in front
Speaker 4: of you and decisions they make, unless you try to
Speaker 4: put it in your hands and move up the board.
Speaker 3: But that's very costly. And on the Belichick thing, Mark.
Speaker 5: That was the first question, Like when I was writing
Speaker 5: down my curiosities for well, I just like, I just like,
Speaker 5: come on, this makes too much sense.
Speaker 4: I remember A Football Life, and then I just looked
Speaker 4: it up real quick. It was actually the series premiere
Speaker 4: of A Football Life, the NFL Films NFL Network show,
Speaker 4: and it started with a two parter on Belichick, and
Speaker 4: it always stuck in my mind when Belichick goes to
Speaker 4: old Giants Stadium before they tore it down, and he's
Speaker 4: staring at the locker room and he gets wistful and nostalgic,
Speaker 4: and he actually gets just emotional, choked up talking about
Speaker 4: how important this building was and all the great memories
Speaker 4: and what it meant to him to be involved with
Speaker 4: those Giants teams, even if his relationship with Bill Parcells
Speaker 4: wasn't always so hot, so it would not I would
Speaker 4: think he would be very interested in the right situation.
Speaker 4: And then then it becomes about the maras and the tishes,
Speaker 4: whether they are and again the good thing for Giants fans,
Speaker 4: you guys overall like they have strong.
Speaker 3: Leadership, like are there reverse gears in their tank?
Speaker 4: Will they get sucked in by this or will they
Speaker 4: look at it the way other people seem to be
Speaker 4: looking at Belichick as a depreciated asset at this age.
Speaker 5: I think Belichick's Q raating is gonna just continue to
Speaker 5: climb towards next offseason. I just do because I think
Speaker 5: suddenly you're like, you're gonna have teams that have you know,
Speaker 5: Joe Fabets at head coach. It's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: we could have had or could have Belichick. And like
Speaker 5: I you've talked about the Belichick biographies and they're great,
Speaker 5: but the Parcels one too, does an incredible job of
Speaker 5: describing how the Parcels Belichick relationship came to be. And
Speaker 5: I think parcel Or Belichick was one of the most
Speaker 5: famous coordinators of that era. Well sometimes coordinators absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 5: Like I mean he when he got to Cleveland job,
Speaker 5: like you know, right after winning that second Super Bowl
Speaker 5: with the Giants, like I was immediately I immediately bought
Speaker 5: in and was just fascinated by the concept of who
Speaker 5: he could be and what he was, and he did
Speaker 5: it in Cleveland, and then it's the team goes. But
Speaker 5: it's like Belichick is not be an unattractive option. And
Speaker 5: I think if you're a Giants fan, and if you're
Speaker 5: the Giants media corps, and Belichick comes back to the
Speaker 5: New York Giants, like what else makes more sense?
Speaker 3: Poetically for the National Football League.
Speaker 6: It's a it's a fun little backdrop to this NFC
Speaker 6: season because, as our points out, it all comes down
Speaker 6: to win losses. Like, I don't care who the quarterback is,
Speaker 6: what the scenario is, what happens. If the Giants win
Speaker 6: nine games with Brian Dable this year, they're not gonna
Speaker 6: fire him like like, but if they win six games,
Speaker 6: they might.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like that's just how it works. And I think
Speaker 6: that's how it's gonna work for the Cowboys, possibly the Eagles,
Speaker 6: and the Giants. So it's these three teams, these big
Speaker 6: franchises and apparently you know, Belgick's kind of I in
Speaker 6: those three teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, like football season, all the things that
Speaker 2: go with it.
Speaker 6: And don't forget the East coast, and I think Giants
Speaker 6: might be might come out of draft day disappointed. We'll see,
Speaker 6: but I or they could be flying because the board
Speaker 6: fell the right way. I think they're gonna I think
Speaker 6: the most likely outcome is what I asked Art about,
Speaker 6: which is like, actually, Daniel Jones probably is got to
Speaker 6: be their quarterback, and they're going to try to do
Speaker 6: as much as they can can. And they've had a
Speaker 6: good offseason. They got Brian Burns. He changed the offensive line,
Speaker 6: like as much as they can to get high level
Speaker 6: talent around Daniel Jones because the quarterback.
Speaker 3: It just well doesn't fall right for them, you see.
Speaker 4: And the assumption, even if they did get a quarterback,
Speaker 4: the assumption Daniel Jones is out of the building.
Speaker 3: No, he's a sunken cost for them.
Speaker 4: And if they choose to go the route of twenty
Speaker 4: four twenty years ago, where you had a veteran start
Speaker 4: and then a rookie come in, you might see Daniel
Speaker 4: Jens and a new guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It's kind of sad though, you know what that means.
Speaker 6: And it sounds like they're going to take you nowhere.
Speaker 3: You're going somewhere. Yeah, Tommy DeVito will be out of
Speaker 3: the building. Oh, I thought you're saying Drew Lock. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because they have Lock in the building.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's guaranteed some money though. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 6: Lock's going anywhere.
Speaker 5: That would be steveto doesn't work on like the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Like there's a miss that we're not aligned there.
Speaker 4: And as many people have told me, the other thing
Speaker 4: to remember about next January when the cycle begins anew
Speaker 4: at coaching. Bill Belichick is spending this year learning how
Speaker 4: to be a head coach, and once he learns, like
Speaker 4: how do you be successful in the NFL, he relearns that,
Speaker 4: like his brain is firing off the synapses, everything's working again,
Speaker 4: He'll be You know.
Speaker 5: What I like about this is like this is wherey
Speaker 5: like hul Cogan macho man, where like after spending a
Speaker 5: decade of you kind of annoyed with Belichick and everything
Speaker 5: that he had produced, the fruit seed produce, now you're
Speaker 5: like backing him unlike anyone else. I know, Well, I
Speaker 5: never not I respected the man. I don't doubt that
Speaker 5: where this bunts you a lot of it's oh a lot.
Speaker 5: He caused you a lot of pain and your showing
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 4: Of salt being rubbed in like he loved rubbing the
Speaker 4: salt into the wounds of Jets fans.
Speaker 3: And why you have that Clemson football over there, I.
Speaker 4: Got it built, that orphanage burned down to the ground.
Speaker 4: You can't disprove that, Greg, That's why you're so mad.
Speaker 4: You can't disprove that I flew down to the Clemson
Speaker 4: area and rebuilt an orphanage.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm starting to believe it.
Speaker 6: Literally on the football it says that the conference that
Speaker 6: you contributed to, that you have no idea what it was,
Speaker 6: was in Los Angeles and is like, you know, the
Speaker 6: future billionaires of area summarized.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. See, it's not that hard. I
Speaker 3: think from another angle.
Speaker 5: Dan reached out to Clemson and this, how can I help, said,
Speaker 5: put something in oculus on the football. Don't don't let
Speaker 5: them know what I actually did, because that don't let
Speaker 5: them know.
Speaker 3: Also, this last year's thank you football, another one potentially
Speaker 3: as if you've stopped working for the Clemson.
Speaker 4: Area, the Orphanage ball is coming. And by the way,
Speaker 4: get your hands off there. It's Dabo Sweeney's autograph on it.
Speaker 6: Uh most valuable partner, Dan hands this thank you does
Speaker 6: not know you show the camera.
Speaker 3: I don't take that away. Sure, I mean we.
Speaker 6: Got a tight shot out here, we go here, and
Speaker 6: uh yeah, I can't read it off the camera, So
Speaker 6: I'm going to turn around. It's thank you for aiding
Speaker 6: in the professional development of our schother athlete and providing
Speaker 6: a life changing career experience during our twenty twenty three
Speaker 6: Los Angeles business Week trip. So I don't see orphanage,
Speaker 6: I don't see Carolina. I mean, it's amazing to me,
Speaker 6: as someone who won this prestigious Most Valuable Partner award
Speaker 6: that you don't even know what's freaking stated to it.
Speaker 6: And I have the ball, and I'm happy that you
Speaker 6: helped the young Clemson students figure out how to take
Speaker 6: advantage of workers.
Speaker 3: You're a big man of battle.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna I didn't actually give my formally my
Speaker 4: thank my acceptance speech of the football thank you to Clemson,
Speaker 4: thank you to dave O. Sweeney, thank you to the
Speaker 4: everyone that you know needed me in a big spot
Speaker 4: and I delivered. It says right here, Greg, a life
Speaker 4: changing experience. And I've been involved with a.
Speaker 5: Few, so I wouldn't normally bring this up, but I
Speaker 5: actually remember the day that the Clemson contingent came to
Speaker 5: the newsroom. It was one of those days when I
Speaker 5: was in the newsroom early and I actually talked to
Speaker 5: three or four of them because they were asking about
Speaker 5: television and television production. And then right next to my cubicle,
Speaker 5: on my on the right side of my cubic glass walls,
Speaker 5: it says Dan HANSI, and I think they meant to
Speaker 5: send it to me because I actually.
Speaker 6: Developing news, making news develop A bunch.
Speaker 5: Of them asking about how tell like they were setting
Speaker 5: up for an NFL network show and like a bunch
Speaker 5: of people.
Speaker 3: Oh you deserve a football.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying you do too, no doubt, because of
Speaker 5: your other task down in the Clemson area. But I
Speaker 5: would like to I'm gonna start my own.
Speaker 6: According to some NFL media sources very close to the situation, uh,
Speaker 6: there is reporting that Mark Sessler is the man they
Speaker 6: actually meant to give the fag.
Speaker 3: Your attempts are my attempts. This is the man who
Speaker 3: helps the kids, I believe remembrance. I'm not claiming that
Speaker 3: to be the case.
Speaker 5: I'm saying something unusual occurrence.
Speaker 4: The one person who definitely doesn't get or deserve a ball.
Speaker 4: Is the guy that's crowing the most about it. So
Speaker 4: read into that.
Speaker 6: I don't want to look look at the look at
Speaker 6: the performance of the Clemson football team since you spoke
Speaker 6: to him.
Speaker 4: Now you're hitting out. This is brand Greg Clemson. You'll
Speaker 4: you'll fight back and you've got great leadership at the top.
Speaker 4: Let's take a break and when we return. Chad Ruter
Speaker 4: on the NFL Draft. All right, welcome back. So we
Speaker 4: just spoke with Art Stabled and breaking down the Giants
Speaker 4: and a very interesting half. They have next week's draft
Speaker 4: where they pick you know, all their different picks or
Speaker 4: do they have six or seven picks whatever. But then
Speaker 4: there are men like Chad Reuter for NFL Media, has
Speaker 4: been with the company since twenty eleven, who when he
Speaker 4: drops his final mock draft, it will have every single pick.
Speaker 3: What is it, two hundred and sixty this year? Where
Speaker 3: are we at?
Speaker 1: We yeah, two fifty seven.
Speaker 4: Two hundred and fifty seven. That drops on Friday, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna get a little sneak preview of it. So Chad,
Speaker 4: welcome back to around the NFL. Thank you gentlemen for
Speaker 4: having me on. It's a pleasure to be here this
Speaker 4: draft class. You've been doing this since two thousand now,
Speaker 4: So where are your thoughts on this draft class?
Speaker 3: Where did you give it a grade? The overall class?
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 1: B ish. There's some great positions, some not very deep positions,
Speaker 1: and it's fun when there's quarterbacks. You know.
Speaker 8: Look, I love offensive lineman. That's my favorite position, and
Speaker 8: not just because I'm a big dude. But when we
Speaker 8: have part of it, well absolutely. One time I was
Speaker 8: at a Packers training camp and Larry Bechtel, their longtime
Speaker 8: offensive line coach, saw me on the sideline watching and
Speaker 8: he looked at his guys and said, hey, you guys
Speaker 8: better do this with because you got guys on the
Speaker 8: sidelines there who can step in for you and play,
Speaker 8: you know, so like the stands, Yeah, absolutely exactly. But no,
Speaker 8: when there's quarterbacks, it's just more fun. And I think
Speaker 8: it's gonna be a lot of fun, a lot of intrigue,
Speaker 8: and so I'm really looking forward to it.
Speaker 6: You're not messed around with the quarterbacks. The one of
Speaker 6: the picks that really stands out. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 6: your answer to the Giants question was they trade up
Speaker 6: to for it and they take McCarthy. So they trade
Speaker 6: up with Arizona and ended up getting McCarthy. But the
Speaker 6: thing I wanted to start with was you had Minnesota
Speaker 6: City at eleven, didn't get the trade up that they
Speaker 6: take bow Nicks, that you would think that there could
Speaker 6: be that much appreciation for bo Nicks And the two
Speaker 6: most logical teams in my mind would be the Vikings
Speaker 6: or the Broncos that that he could go that high.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, if you look at bo Nicks, he is very
Speaker 8: much like Kirk Cousins, and if they want that similar
Speaker 8: type of guy, he's right there. Although but Kirk Rwsins
Speaker 8: was like a fourth round pick. You don't usually take those,
Speaker 8: yeah guys that early. But it would be a wild
Speaker 8: it would be a wild thing to take a guy
Speaker 8: like that. And that's interesting. I remember because we were
Speaker 8: when Cousins got picked. I remember going back into the
Speaker 8: Culver and we had kind of the debrief from the draft.
Speaker 8: Right We're sitting around in a room and people were saying, uh,
Speaker 8: why would the why would Washington take Why would Washington
Speaker 8: take RG three and then take Kirk Cousins, And people
Speaker 8: and I and I said, Hey, Kirk Cousins was second
Speaker 8: round value.
Speaker 1: They got him in the fourth round.
Speaker 8: It was a good move and the room went silent, like, I,
Speaker 8: you know, just said something about somebody's parents or something.
Speaker 3: So I think, I think you're known to do in fairness. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: look you'll bury a parent. You don't give it.
Speaker 8: You do it once, you do it once, and then
Speaker 8: people think you do it all the time.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 8: So, so he was viewed as a more than a
Speaker 8: fourth round pick, and I think, and I think just
Speaker 8: the demand for the position Minnesota. Look, Sam Donald really
Speaker 8: solid player. They cannot just roll out general. So I
Speaker 8: think you have put in Sam Donald and a guy
Speaker 8: like Nicks, and you know they work together and get
Speaker 8: it done.
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers fans would come out of this
Speaker 5: process absolutely thrilled if what you suggest happens happens, because
Speaker 5: they have a Marvin Harrison falling to them and all
Speaker 5: this business like, oh, the Chargers won't draft a wide
Speaker 5: receiver because they are gonna only have like two know
Speaker 5: that that would be amazing. It's a need and it's
Speaker 5: also the best player in the draft argue. But then
Speaker 5: I love this too because I kind of just love
Speaker 5: organic fits where you love no matter what you think
Speaker 5: of the player is gonna be maximized where he goes.
Speaker 5: And Blake Koram, Michigan's running back going to the Chargers
Speaker 5: to Harbaugh in round two, I think that is like
Speaker 5: I love draft things like that, and I even I
Speaker 5: think on the show we talked about like stuff we
Speaker 5: wanted to see happen. I had that too, And so
Speaker 5: is do you think that Harbaugh is like, no matter what,
Speaker 5: willing to go do that with the second round?
Speaker 3: Is he hoping that he just falls to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, I would think so.
Speaker 8: And you know he may not a lot of people
Speaker 8: don't have Blake Koram as a top forty pick and
Speaker 8: five eight. I understand that, but you know the Chiefs
Speaker 8: took Cech at the end of the first round, also
Speaker 8: another five eight guy. I didn't like that pick. But
Speaker 8: I love Quorum as a as a player. He does
Speaker 8: everything pass protection like he doesn't pass protect like a
Speaker 8: guy who's five eight, I mean, and he does everything,
Speaker 8: and coming off the knee injury a year ago, he
Speaker 8: wasn't even his.
Speaker 1: Most explosive self.
Speaker 8: And we've seen guys really turn it on after that year,
Speaker 8: so I think he'll be even more explosive than he
Speaker 8: was this year in the NFL. If everything goes right,
Speaker 8: and I think Harball, you know, it was so effusive
Speaker 8: his praise of JJ McCarthy and and I think he's
Speaker 8: gonna feel the same book Quorum, And honestly like, if
Speaker 8: he doesn't pick Korum, he could end up going all
Speaker 8: the way down to the Ravens to play for John
Speaker 8: Harbaugh at the end of the second round. So those
Speaker 8: are the kind of the two spots for Quorum.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we in this ramp up to the draft, start
Speaker 4: to fall in love with an idea or a thought
Speaker 4: and then it turns it turns very surfacy when you
Speaker 4: look back, Oh, it didn't play out that a way
Speaker 4: at all, And that's what everyone seems to be doing
Speaker 4: with Oh, Harbor will definitely, I'm talking about Jim. We'll
Speaker 4: take an offensive lineman because he loves his dogs and
Speaker 4: he loves to run. But as you point out, going
Speaker 4: to get a playmaker and potentially a truly special one
Speaker 4: like Harrison to stretch the field. I mean that helps
Speaker 4: the running game as well, so that that shicks out
Speaker 4: exact way exactly right.
Speaker 8: And and don't forget that Harbaugh had to sit there
Speaker 8: and watch Marvin Harrison. I don't you know, but yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean he had some pretty good games, and I
Speaker 8: think he knows the kind of special player he'll be getting.
Speaker 6: I saw you put Neighbors at thirteen, falling all the
Speaker 6: way to the Raiders. I'm sensing as we get closer
Speaker 6: to the draft, a lot more of the people in
Speaker 6: your neck of the woods, the draft knicks are projecting
Speaker 6: Neighbors to slip that that Dounza maybe goes ahead of Neighbors,
Speaker 6: and that maybe Neighbors isn't as big of like a
Speaker 6: top five to six lock as as we thought maybe
Speaker 6: a week or two ago. Like where is is that
Speaker 6: coming from info? Just your film tape? Like what's going
Speaker 6: on there?
Speaker 1: So I think.
Speaker 8: All I know is I've been doing this long enough
Speaker 8: where that where people think the top ten guys are
Speaker 8: not going to end up being the top ten pick.
Speaker 8: So just we know that and Neighbors, there's no questions
Speaker 8: about Oduns. He is a solid player. He is Mike
Speaker 8: Williams for the Chargers. For me, he's he's really just
Speaker 8: a solid player that you know what you're gonna get
Speaker 8: with Neighbors, I'm not sure, And he's so much like Obj.
Speaker 8: He's so much like him and Obj went twelfth and
Speaker 8: and those are the kind of things that I just
Speaker 8: look for. Hey, hey, if Neighbors does not go top six,
Speaker 8: where is this? Could this could be what happens? And
Speaker 8: you know, and the other thing is, I'm not going
Speaker 8: to project like eight trades or anything, but if he
Speaker 8: starts falling down, obviously somebody might get in the mix
Speaker 8: there too for him.
Speaker 6: But you projected a lot though it was spicy, and
Speaker 6: you always bought, like what the specific one is. You
Speaker 6: had the Colts trading up for Bowers. Yeah, and then
Speaker 6: you give the exact trade that it would be. It
Speaker 6: would be Bowers at a third in exchange for fifteenth.
Speaker 6: Overall a second and a fourth. That's a lot for
Speaker 6: a tight end. But well, fighting for the Colts. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, he's more than a tight end. I I
Speaker 6: think he's the best player in this draft, regardless of position.
Speaker 6: And I won't be shot. I honestly won't be shocked
Speaker 6: at the Charges take him at five or if they
Speaker 6: can work out a trade with the Giants for that
Speaker 6: once spot to get that. I think he does everything.
Speaker 6: I think if you get a guy in the George
Speaker 6: Kittle to Travis Kelcey Realm. He's much more than just
Speaker 6: a tight end.
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers are meeting with him as we
Speaker 5: as we speak, are very very soon to Now you
Speaker 5: have another trade because I like looking at the two
Speaker 5: teams that don't have picks in the first round, the
Speaker 5: Panthers and the Browns. The Panthers you think would be
Speaker 5: sitting there at we know we need players, but they
Speaker 5: trade the pick to the Raiders who take You have
Speaker 5: Michael Pennox Junior falling all the way to the thirty
Speaker 5: third pick. I think a lot of people feel like
Speaker 5: there's gonna be this run on quarterbacks. You got the
Speaker 5: Broncos the Raiders in your world when they move up,
Speaker 5: but like someone's got a fall So, yeah, I get this,
Speaker 5: So you think this could this could happen.
Speaker 3: Pennix goes all the way to round two.
Speaker 8: Look last year, a lot of people thought Hendon Hooker
Speaker 8: and Will Levis were going to be first round picks
Speaker 8: and they were not, and that happens. I mean, would
Speaker 8: I be surprised if the Raiders move up into the
Speaker 8: thirty second spot in the first round to get him, No,
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised at that at all. But the carline,
Speaker 8: Caroline does not have enough picks and they need a
Speaker 8: lot of players, and they the previous administration kind of
Speaker 8: left them bereft of draft capital. So they're gonna be
Speaker 8: looking for a deal like this and if they can
Speaker 8: they can find it, they're gonna take advantage of it.
Speaker 8: And so I think this makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: And look, Michael Pennox lost parts of four seasons at
Speaker 8: Indiana to injury. You don't see a guy like that
Speaker 8: going in the first round very often. If it was
Speaker 8: a one off, that's fine, But you know, I think
Speaker 8: that's the thing. And with him, and he's really talented.
Speaker 8: I mean, he if you put an offensive line around him,
Speaker 8: you give him the whatp he's gonna hit him and
Speaker 8: he's a very talented thrower. But there's gonna be questions
Speaker 8: about his abult's knee and shoulders.
Speaker 4: So there you have a trade, another trade in the
Speaker 4: first round. Both teams intrigued me. So you have the
Speaker 4: Rams and Chiefs doing business, and yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: You're you think you think it's very possible that there
Speaker 4: that less need goes to his dresser drawer and pulls
Speaker 4: out that FM Picks T shirt again and for another
Speaker 4: year to continue the streak that dates back to two
Speaker 4: thousand and after twenty sixteen will not have a first
Speaker 4: round pick. That's interesting to me. So but let's start
Speaker 4: first with the Chiefs, who to me, this is the
Speaker 4: one that as a layman, I still feel like. The
Speaker 4: thing I'm really commid about is the Chiefs make a
Speaker 4: charge up the board in the first round to get
Speaker 4: a wide receiver, especially now with the Rashid Rice situation.
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey another year older, not a lot of depth
Speaker 4: in general, you have him moving up to the middle
Speaker 4: of the first round.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think Xavier Worthy out of Texas
Speaker 8: is a perfect fit for them. I know that they
Speaker 8: signed Hollywood Brown, but look Worthy is very worthy of.
Speaker 4: The nailed it and he's an explosive player who just
Speaker 4: stand on your analysis right there, like go blank and
Speaker 4: wait for us to change exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 8: No, but look he's He's not just the guy who
Speaker 8: ran a fast forty. I mean, that's obviously one of
Speaker 8: the strengths. But he can catch the ball in short
Speaker 8: areas and make people miss. He can get down the sideline.
Speaker 8: I don't think safeties in college understood how fast he
Speaker 8: was because they would like get try to get towards
Speaker 8: the sideline and then he'd be gone. And I think
Speaker 8: when you add that to the Chiefs offense, the Chiefs
Speaker 8: won two Super Bowls, but like you know, they were
Speaker 8: not happy with how things played out on offense, right,
Speaker 8: and that's the kind of difference maker that they'll go
Speaker 8: up and get the other thing that I if you
Speaker 8: guys remember when the Lions went up to get Jameson Williams.
Speaker 8: They went from thirty two to twelve to go get him.
Speaker 8: And if brock Bauers gets into that area, I'm really
Speaker 8: curious to see if they would go get him or
Speaker 8: if even if they think of Worthy that highly.
Speaker 6: That's where like fit is everything, because I do think
Speaker 6: Worthy is more dynamic than people are giving credit for
Speaker 6: as like a real player, Like he's a much smaller
Speaker 6: player than Kadarius Tony, but I think could do some
Speaker 6: of the things that they were hoping Kadarius Tony could
Speaker 6: have done now that they've totally given up on that.
Speaker 6: Like if he lands with the team like the Chiefs,
Speaker 6: then you can see him being like quite Zay Flowers,
Speaker 6: like maybe with more speed, which is like, but if
Speaker 6: he ends up on the wrong team and then he
Speaker 6: winds up being a bus I think that's an amazing fit.
Speaker 6: But I really do have to say I found one
Speaker 6: of your picks ridiculous and just questionable.
Speaker 1: With pick two thirty.
Speaker 6: With two thirty five, okay, you had the Seahawks taking
Speaker 6: tight end McCallen Castles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chad was drunken reach reach.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: Right for McCallen Castles to go top to thirty five,
Speaker 6: you're gonna get a lot of pushback, I feel, you know.
Speaker 1: Look, you gotta take chances with this.
Speaker 8: I can't be the same as everybody else who put
Speaker 8: Castles at two fifty one.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to take some chances.
Speaker 6: And it must be a process at the end of
Speaker 6: this seven round thing of just.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is happening at the end there you just
Speaker 5: kind of like, well, you've seen that probably deep team
Speaker 5: information that you're leaning on in the seventh you.
Speaker 8: Know, in ted Lasso when he's playing darts against the
Speaker 8: mean guy that I can't think of the name of.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: Look, you know the play, you get your population of
Speaker 8: like three hundred some guys that are in the mix
Speaker 8: and you're got tim team needs, you've got workout, you've
Speaker 8: watched them for the past three four years, and you
Speaker 8: try to make some interesting ads. And at that point
Speaker 8: you're like, Okay, what team needs two edgereshers, what team
Speaker 8: needs two cornerbacks? You know, and so where are these?
Speaker 8: And and you just try to get as many guys
Speaker 8: and then you look for the off the radar guys
Speaker 8: weren't at the combine, Like thirty guys who who weren't
Speaker 8: at the combine will probably get picked.
Speaker 1: So you have to take all.
Speaker 4: That night iteration circling back that the idea of the
Speaker 4: Chiefs getting powers makes so much sense, both because you
Speaker 4: think about the two tight ends set there, but also
Speaker 4: Kelsey at thirty three of the year or two left.
Speaker 4: You got to learn under Kelsey in the building and
Speaker 4: then have a locked and loaded potential superstar to replace him.
Speaker 8: That there's just a lot of logic there that checks out. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I would I would love to see that kind of
Speaker 8: huge move.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think.
Speaker 8: To stay on top, you can't just do the status quo.
Speaker 8: You can't and you have to make big moves. And
Speaker 8: they're so good at scouting later in the draft that
Speaker 8: they can afford to, you know, take some chances and
Speaker 8: and so like again, Xavior Worthy is not out of
Speaker 8: the conversation either at like that eleven twelve area. If
Speaker 8: you remember John Ross went like ninth, I think, and
Speaker 8: he was not he was not nearly the prospect.
Speaker 6: That it's a great point that you make about everyone
Speaker 6: thinks they have the top ten and it becomes very consensusye,
Speaker 6: where like there's so much agreement, and then it never.
Speaker 3: Happens that way.
Speaker 6: Like even guys who are now you look back at
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, yeah, Drake London, of course he was
Speaker 6: the number eight pick.
Speaker 3: It's like no one had that.
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, no one had that, and he was like
Speaker 6: a very well known prospect, like but literally no one
Speaker 6: had that. And that happens all the time with these
Speaker 6: these guys at the top. Fun mock that one comes
Speaker 6: out when on Friday, on Friday.
Speaker 5: One little note, Bills fans are not going to be
Speaker 5: happy at the twenty eighth pick that they don't go
Speaker 5: wide receive where they go defensive player edge Marshawn Neeland.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Brandon Bean's already come out and said, look,
Speaker 8: we're not reaching for a player, and I mean I
Speaker 8: thought of a bunch of different ways of them moving
Speaker 8: up to get a guy, but they're not. They move up,
Speaker 8: but they only give up like a fourth round pick
Speaker 8: or something like that. If somebody falls into the early twenties,
Speaker 8: then then maybe they go get them.
Speaker 6: Someone to if all the sixth that you had quite
Speaker 6: a few receivers falling that far Roman Wilson, right, you
Speaker 6: have them taking Roman Wilson, Ricky Pierce ow you had
Speaker 6: eighty Mitchell falling quite away as Troy Franklin. And if
Speaker 6: you just do the math, yeah, some of these guys
Speaker 6: that feel like they have a chance to be in
Speaker 6: the top thirty five forty at receiver are absolutely going
Speaker 6: to be there at the end of the second round.
Speaker 8: Well, and teams and I would drive the editors and saying,
Speaker 8: if I projected six second round trades, right, I mean,
Speaker 8: so they would go nuts.
Speaker 1: And but that's what happens. There's five or sixth trades.
Speaker 8: So a lot of the guys that I have at
Speaker 8: the end of the second round, teams will move up
Speaker 8: and go get And the Bills are probably one of
Speaker 8: those teams that'll move one of their fourth round picks,
Speaker 8: move up and get one of the receivers they like,
Speaker 8: kind of like Packers did that with Christian a couple
Speaker 8: of years ago, and so I would expect that more
Speaker 8: than a first round move.
Speaker 4: From them, Chad writer, check them out NFL dot com.
Speaker 4: Where can they find you?
Speaker 5: On?
Speaker 3: Mark X on x.
Speaker 1: Twitter, Great Chad Underscore.
Speaker 4: Mark insists that, uh, the owner gets his due. That's
Speaker 4: just the Mark thing.
Speaker 5: And I can't that is completely inaccurate, but well we'll
Speaker 5: just let it go. Where okay find you? Great Phoenix
Speaker 5: Mellon is like, call him? I would, uh, Chad Underscore
Speaker 5: r e U T E R right, yeah, but don't
Speaker 5: call him ruder.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, all right, thank you to Chad, Thank you
Speaker 3: to Art. Good name day too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Chad, we got an art tomorrow, we get
Speaker 4: Daniel Jerrod. Oh, come back for more draft analysis with
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Speaker 3: Heed the fun