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Speaker 2: Is the best sports podcast in our hearts.

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Speaker 3: That's it from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around

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Speaker 3: the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Dan Hands is here with heroes Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 3: Walking on my way into the studio.

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Speaker 4: TV screens everywhere less now after the storms took out

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Speaker 4: half of the electronics in our building a couple months ago,

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Speaker 4: but walked by a screen and then they had the

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Speaker 4: drafts scroll, you know, with the various mock drafts from

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Speaker 4: our experts. In fact, we have an expert coming in

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Speaker 4: later today in studio.

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Speaker 3: Tease.

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Speaker 4: So the Jets logo and now the Jets on Monday

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Speaker 4: announced they have they have gone back.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting too when you start to get old.

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Speaker 4: And hasn't happened for me yet, but yeah, and you

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Speaker 4: you realize that everything just repeats, so they now, So

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Speaker 4: anyway it started their.

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Speaker 3: Logo is the name of logo that everybody remembers.

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Speaker 4: Then in the seventies and eighties they had the blocky

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Speaker 3: Jet on top.

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Speaker 4: Sure, then in ninety when Parcels got there in ninety

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Speaker 4: the gase I call it the gase that are And

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Speaker 4: now they're back to the seventies and eighties jet with

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Speaker 4: the So that's what I saw in the scroll and

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Speaker 4: I was like, that was cool. And then yesterday I

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Speaker 4: also saw the Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth anniversary. Wow,

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Speaker 4: which is that well age of man, and they will

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Speaker 4: be wearing throwbacks from thirty years ago.

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Speaker 3: And I saw it just before we started.

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Speaker 5: Mark you're mentioning, Yeah, well, the Cleveland Browns, you know,

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Speaker 5: I guess remember the Browns had the horrible uniforms.

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Speaker 3: You they had to wait five years to get out

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Speaker 3: of them. Like during our Cleveland was like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: all over. I forget it. Where you're from the land.

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Speaker 5: All these other teams seem to be able to change

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Speaker 5: whatever they want, like every couple of years. But Cleveland

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Speaker 5: made a couple of little tweaks and they went back

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Speaker 5: to their white face masks, which they had from seventy

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Speaker 5: five through ninety five right before they moved. So one

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Speaker 5: of their best eras in the eighties there, especially early

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Speaker 5: nineties with Belichick. Then again though in ninety nine through

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Speaker 5: two thousand and five, which was a disaster, but I

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Speaker 5: think we don't talk about those year. No, the white

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Speaker 5: face masks literally look better. I think they're going to

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Speaker 5: maybe adopt like the thinner stripes, and there's little tweaks

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Speaker 4: Greggie, Yeah, when's the last so the brown that's a

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Speaker 4: throwback to the Jets had just talked about when's the

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Speaker 4: last time a team redid their uniforms? And it was

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Speaker 4: that's cool?

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Speaker 3: Or are we just now we're just probably answer eighties?

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Speaker 3: Like you're right, none are.

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Speaker 4: Like I remember when the Bucks rebranded in the late nineties,

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Speaker 3: Well let's think about that. Maybe we're missing one at

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Speaker 3: pay behind the glass big funk. Maybe you guys, that's.

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Speaker 6: That's fast, that's that's life, that's even even art has

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Speaker 6: these like different cycles. But yes, I always remember when

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Speaker 6: we were growing up watching like the old NBA clips

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Speaker 6: that's a ridiculous thing that will never happen again, and

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Speaker 6: and it's coming for all of us. It's it's summer

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Speaker 5: Love that trend. Thy many of us, all three of

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Speaker 4: I recently rewatched the thirty for thirty Fab five and

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Speaker 4: that was a big part of their statement that they

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Speaker 6: Shout out to the Jaguars fans you mentioning that it's

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Speaker 6: the thirtieth anniversary. I know you guys don't want to

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Speaker 3: We've had.

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Speaker 6: It's so hard, like sneaky, a lot of heartbreak. Now

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Speaker 6: they've act they've never made They were still one of

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Speaker 6: the only teams that have never made the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: They're thirty years old. That that takes up the vast

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Speaker 5: On your below, just as an asterix, I would note

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Speaker 6: No I get it, been around for two I get it.

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Speaker 6: I just mean in terms of living humans. At this point,

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Speaker 6: forty year old. It's been a lot of a lot

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Speaker 4: And don't forget Greg you especially although you conveniently have

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Speaker 4: moved this out of your brain. Miles Jack wasn't down.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, was there like a heartbreak moment

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Speaker 6: Sure they made three conference championships, you didn't win one.

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Speaker 4: Of them, right, But when you basically have clinched a

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Speaker 4: conference championship win and the officials and perhaps the league

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Speaker 4: conspire to ensure the Jaguars don't get to go to

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, so the Patriots can go to their

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Speaker 4: fourteenth Super Bowl, as happened without any.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 4: And so Jags fans out there is the greatest what

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Speaker 4: if in JAG's history. Miles Jack wasn't down twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that play?

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Speaker 6: Of course I remember that play, And because he wasn't,

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Speaker 6: they had the Patriots on the ropes. That defense was special.

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Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety six. Probably their biggest heartbreak moment was

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Speaker 6: the year they were the one seed and they were

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Speaker 6: And I think the Jags were decent sized favorites in

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Speaker 6: that game. End absolutely, I knew, don't do this.

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Speaker 4: What are you talking about the Jaguars greatest heartbreak? Yeah, great,

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying that was their best team twenty they

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Speaker 4: Seed Jaguars over Patriots thirteen thirty seven to go in

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Speaker 3: Jack picks up a loose ball.

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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want the Jaguard to beat that.

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Speaker 6: Here's the upsow you shouldn't have done is blow a

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Speaker 5: One upset together the AFC title game that Jaguars and

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Speaker 5: points the play caller for the Jaguars, Nathaniel Hackett.

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Speaker 3: There he is.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what he's gonna learned since, but uh,

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Speaker 3: Staniel Hackett.

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Speaker 4: I think he actually that really helped his career because

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Speaker 3: Every now and then, I mean bade two seasons later.

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Speaker 6: Every now and then, I feel like, oh, we're underserving

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Speaker 6: certain fan bases. Some teams get talked about more than others.

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Speaker 6: We just gave a great look back on the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 4: Right, we lost most of our listeners, but that's now,

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Speaker 4: it's a fascinating Here was a heartbreaking, crescendoing, rough moment

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Speaker 4: for you Jaguars fans.

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Speaker 3: Let's spend twelve minutes on it.

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Speaker 4: Another underserved fan base because of the scard in my left,

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Speaker 4: the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna dive deep a little.

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Speaker 6: Bit of that is the our listeners, Please please tell

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Speaker 3: Because or tell us if you agree.

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Speaker 6: the last five years, Giants are easily top ten. Okay,

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Speaker 6: because you guys love the Giants, but you're.

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Speaker 4: I think we're fans going Okay, most negat said word

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Speaker 4: a special guest coming up. He is a draft expert.

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Speaker 4: He has been with this company for many years. He's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, joining us breaking down his last mock draft. But

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, first of all, also with thank god.

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Speaker 4: Man, listen, I'm very happy for Travis kelcey and and

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Speaker 4: he's currently dating the most famous woman in the world,

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Speaker 4: as a result. In fact, he's about to host a

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Speaker 4: new show on Amazon Prime, Are You Smarter Than a Celebrity?

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Speaker 4: Which is kind of funny because some of his old tweets,

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Speaker 4: But that's that's separate, that's what makes them a good Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but I do. I do love me some pre Taylor Travis.

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Speaker 5: Well and when they say that we are the people's

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Speaker 5: podcast in their hearts, like we literally lost a contest

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Speaker 3: And honor to be nominated Mark just an honor, well true,

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Speaker 3: just an honor. All right, let's start with a little

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Speaker 4: Draft intrigue, because the Washington commanders, picking number two in

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Speaker 4: commanders are doing everything they can to be ready for

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Speaker 4: next Thursday's big decision. And on Wednesday they welcome in

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Speaker 4: My senior year of college, as a big U two

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Speaker 5: You're breaking that news I feel like we're in decline

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Speaker 3: Did his best anyway. So here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: Because really his people basically didn't have a good career

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Speaker 5: I'd push back on Montana. He did crossed twenty touchdowns

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Speaker 6: Five MVP twice in his first six seasons. But you're right,

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Speaker 6: He's looking at it off.

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Speaker 3: Right, Marina, It is crazy, man.

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Speaker 6: He led the league in yards four out of his

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Speaker 4: And you heard me giving him love too, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Sane.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see who the difference between first and

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Speaker 6: I would never put him in that category.

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Speaker 5: There's just intense pressure on this working out and we're

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Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson, you want to know he's going to be there, present, NonStop.

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Speaker 5: a glowing version of this quarterback like it already is

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Speaker 5: the worst quarterback trade that we can think of in

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Speaker 5: the past of this century, and it has a chance

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Speaker 5: to become a full bloom disaster. And it's crazy for

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Speaker 5: me to think that Kevin Stefanski, who has won two

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Speaker 5: Coach of the Year awards, which is atypical for a

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Speaker 5: coach that's barely won a playoff game, like he.

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Speaker 3: Was actually in his basement when they won THEMA that's

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Speaker 3: the cret.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean he's done a good job, especially when

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Speaker 5: Watson's not been in there. He's done a good job coaching,

451
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Speaker 5: in fact better I think, But the pressure on him

452
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Speaker 5: and Andrew Berry and everyone else is immense because the

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Speaker 5: quarterback's not going anywhere because of the money attached to him.

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Speaker 4: This maybe this makes you feel better out of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: I had a vision yesterday that Watson. I assume within

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Speaker 4: this vision, although it didn't go into this realm, Watson

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Speaker 4: gets hurt again.

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Speaker 3: That the Browns pick up.

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Speaker 4: The phone and they call the Colts, who are happy

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Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson's progress and he's healthy, and they go

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Speaker 4: and they get him back, get flex, Well you got

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Speaker 4: you got the joker Winston in there, But now let's

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Speaker 4: get an adult in here, Flacco while Watson uh Idols

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Speaker 4: waste time back in ir like.

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Speaker 5: If that happened in week State Week twelve, could Flaco

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Speaker 5: win comeback Player of the Year again?

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Speaker 3: I would love it? It would be amazing.

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Speaker 4: Can we cut this for when this inevitably happens in

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Speaker 4: October late October, right around Hollowey.

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Speaker 6: If Winston comes in there and out plays him, that'll

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Speaker 6: be like the seventh different Stefanski quarterback that that's done.

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Speaker 3: That just see how many can do it at this point?

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Speaker 6: Why the most note newsworthy things. I'd love to see it.

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Speaker 6: I think he'd be a fun fit with Watson you.

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Speaker 3: Have fun, you won't win a lot of games.

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Speaker 6: But Stefanski h Watson, you know, he might not be

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Speaker 6: fully ready until training camp. Wasn't worried about that. He

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Speaker 6: did kind of you know thing that annoyed me a

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Speaker 6: little bit. He mentions like, hey, I might have actually

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Speaker 6: hurt my shoulder in week three until he's kind of

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Speaker 6: throwing out these and he did hurt his shoulder in

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Speaker 6: week three, but he might have had the injury that

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Speaker 6: ended up requiring surgery, he said in week three, and

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Speaker 6: he was playing through it, so kind of throwing that

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Speaker 6: out there, which I didn't love. But part the only

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Speaker 6: one of the reasons I put this on there is

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Speaker 6: I learned last week and I meant to mention it

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Speaker 6: here that Deshaun Watson has a podcast and Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 6: was a meant a guest of this post. Yeah, and

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Speaker 6: I was like.

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Speaker 4: Wait, what what is the Shawn Watson talking about on

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Speaker 4: his podcast?

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Speaker 6: Okay, Like I would love to I should go listen

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Speaker 6: to probably now it's called QB Unplugged. They've got some

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Speaker 6: major issues. I went and checked their feed and it's

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Speaker 6: it's very inconsistent, but it says there's been quite a

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Speaker 6: number of episodes, I think thirteen episodes, except it just

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Speaker 6: in the podcast feed. It skips from episode seven to

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Speaker 6: thirteen with no mention, but many months in between. And

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Speaker 6: the Stefanski one, which is up on YouTube, is not

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Speaker 6: in that feed. Because I was curious. I actually was thinking, hey,

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Speaker 6: maybe I'll listen to us Stefanski Watson podcasts, but it's

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Speaker 6: not in the feed. So they've got some tech issues.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure that? Like his whole life skipped about

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Speaker 3: like five.

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Speaker 6: Years now, I mean this one. Plus they were during

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Speaker 6: the season last year, so I guess I'm I'm just

508
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Speaker 6: saying the podcast seems to be going as well as

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Speaker 6: as the career in with the Browns we have.

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Speaker 4: There are many podcasts featuring current and former NFL players

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Speaker 4: that are worth your while. But when you hear things

512
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Speaker 4: like Deshaun Watson has a podcast, we have saturated the market.

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Speaker 3: Players. Let's let's start.

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Speaker 4: You know, the union maybe should get involved in be like, hey, guys,

515
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Speaker 4: we're not letting you all do podcasts right because it's

516
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Speaker 4: annoying to everyone. We're gonna knock it down now going forward,

517
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Speaker 4: there are only seventy player podcasts, and we will let

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Speaker 4: you know who you if you're on that list.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's fair, it's countercultural to produce a podcast

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Speaker 5: that's not available, like I think that that's the next level.

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Speaker 6: I guess it's on YouTube, so maybe it's more more

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Speaker 6: that I don't know.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's take a break and we'll now drill

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Speaker 4: in when we come back on one of the teams

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Speaker 4: that are at the center of.

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Speaker 7: Next Thursday's Realm one.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, at on after Dark.

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Speaker 4: This is the one of the most important segments in

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Speaker 4: the show's history because it is a segment that, first

530
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Speaker 4: of all, is a phenomenon. I mean, people go nuts

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Speaker 4: about it, but it's also it's what separates us from

532
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Speaker 4: the Pact because we see things, we see storylines, we

533
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Speaker 4: see the future of the league in the way that

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Speaker 4: very few people can. And and Mark and I are

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Speaker 4: the founders and co creators. Greg, you've come on and

536
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Speaker 4: really made a lot of advances. And what's it Greg's role.

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Speaker 5: With the it was like production assistant to some degree.

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Speaker 5: But I will say our most recent one introduced like

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Speaker 5: the last you know, two or three guests, well I'd

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Speaker 5: say one, but but yes, you had a trench in

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Speaker 5: Eagles episode that I think in the eyes of the listener,

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Speaker 5: raised Greg's status within this world. Right, Well, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to work on the other outside of.

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Speaker 6: The The key is we have like a patriots, like

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Speaker 6: humble nature to us, not trying to take you know, Louis.

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Speaker 3: Was a little presumptive there, all right.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, hit hit it again, hit it again, because we

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Speaker 4: now welcome in our guest. And I'm sorry that he

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Speaker 4: had to listen to that internal conversation in bickering and

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Speaker 4: he's probably thinking, what the hell are they talking about?

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Speaker 4: That doesn't matter. This is the beat man for the record.

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Speaker 4: He is a voice that has covered this team, the

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Speaker 4: New York Giants we were about to talk about, since

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Speaker 4: twenty eleven.

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Speaker 3: This is Art Stapleton. Welcome to around the Outcock.

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Speaker 2: What's up, fellas, Thanks for having me, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Great to have you Art, And by the way, I

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Speaker 4: want to say it's good to have art.

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Speaker 3: Where are you from?

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Speaker 2: Originally North Jersey, born and raised and live in New

561
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Speaker 2: York now, but you know New York, New Jersey.

562
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Speaker 3: Bargen County, Guy, Bergen County Guy.

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Speaker 4: So I grew up in Rockland County and I would

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Speaker 4: drive from Pearl River over the border to Monfale to

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Speaker 4: get cheaper gas. And I just want to say, like

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Speaker 4: I was listening to your podcast, Art getting ready for

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Speaker 4: this segment today, the All In podcast and All In

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Speaker 4: with Art Stapleton got to get the name in there.

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Speaker 3: I like that, and it's just like God, it's nice

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Speaker 3: to hear someone that it sounds like me, you know.

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Speaker 4: I like someone that said as Cawra got married, it's

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Speaker 4: it's finally, it's good to have a North Jersey Tri

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Speaker 4: state area.

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Speaker 3: Guys that were partly.

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Speaker 5: Thank you reportedly came from a coaltown. Dan has told

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Speaker 5: us for we have not we you know, I grew

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Speaker 5: up about twenty miles from Damn, but you grew up

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Speaker 5: in a coletown, according to his own reporting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I think everyone knows Pearl River is a coltown,

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Speaker 4: Art right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know Pearl River now we know it

582
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Speaker 2: as you know, just another town that's near the Pala

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Speaker 2: Stage Mall, very much just like my town. Rochelle Park

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Speaker 2: is right near Parmise and we live near the Garden

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Speaker 2: State Plaza.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's the area.

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Speaker 2: Really all you're about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the summer of two thousand, many memories of the

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Speaker 4: TGI Fridays where I was a server went by Danny.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right enough, let's focus. I apologize.

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Speaker 4: This flashpoint focus series is all about getting ahead of

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Speaker 4: the story and the Giants are a fascinating study here

593
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Speaker 4: because they.

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Speaker 3: Have the sixth pick. And let's start where we got

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Speaker 3: to start at the quarterback?

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Speaker 4: All right, Like, so you would say that John and

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Speaker 4: ownership is not going to stand in the way if

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Speaker 4: this team has a quarterback that they love with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: how put the odds on a percentage chance they end

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Speaker 4: up coming out around one with a quarterback in your mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, if they were sitting at three, i'd say ninety

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Speaker 2: eight point, you know, nine nine nine nine nine percent.

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Speaker 2: But they're not. So a lot of their quarterback quest,

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Speaker 2: I think is going to be dependent on what the

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Speaker 2: teams ahead of them do in that situation. And if

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Speaker 2: New England, Arizona or the Chargers want to move, I

607
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Speaker 2: think they'll look to move. You know, John Marat told

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Speaker 2: a story at the owners meetings, and I'll try to

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Speaker 2: keep it as concise as possible, But was just the

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Speaker 2: idea back in two thousand and four when his father

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Speaker 2: Wellington had to be convinced that it was time to

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Speaker 2: move on from Kerry Collins and draft a quarterback and

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Speaker 2: make a trade up. And Ernie A. Corsi, the general

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Speaker 2: manager at the time, and Tom Cofflin, the first year

615
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Speaker 2: head coach at the time, loved Eli Manning and they

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Speaker 2: wanted to make a trade up. And John Marra recalled

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Speaker 2: having to convince his dad, look, we know you love

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Speaker 2: Kerry Collins, but we have to make a move. And

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Speaker 2: they ended up making that trade. They let Kerry Collins go,

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Speaker 2: Kurt Warner came in, and we all know, you know

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Speaker 2: NFL and Giants' history, what happened, you know that season,

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Speaker 2: and Kurt ended up getting benched with a winning team.

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Speaker 2: But I think John mara is kind of in the

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Speaker 2: position of his father from that year, and he needs

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Speaker 2: to be convinced that, you know, the guy he loves,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, the guy he said a couple of years

627
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Speaker 2: ago that you know they've done everything to screw him up. Well,

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Speaker 2: it gets to a point where as badly as a

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Speaker 2: guy may have been screwed up, you just have to

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Speaker 2: move on. And that's where the Giants are right now.

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Speaker 6: To follow up on that, who do you think like

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Speaker 6: in terms of pie of is making these decisions, is

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Speaker 6: really calling the shots, because to me, it's in awkward situation.

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Speaker 6: Joe Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones. And how desperate do

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Speaker 6: you think Joe Shane is that their GM and Brian

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Speaker 6: Dabele is obviously involved in offensive coach And how much

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Speaker 6: does the Jones negotiation last year? And you know, play

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Speaker 6: into it because I look at it and it's not

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Speaker 6: like they have extra draft picks or anything. And it's

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Speaker 6: not like they have a roster that is, you know,

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Speaker 6: has a lot of talent at every position. They have

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Speaker 6: a lot of needs. Like how much do you think

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Speaker 6: Joe Shane and if he's making the decision is willing

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Speaker 6: to give up future resources for a team that has

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Speaker 6: a lot of holes.

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Speaker 2: It's a great point, Greg, And I just think that

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Speaker 2: from Shane's perspective. And one thing you know that I've

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Speaker 2: gotten to learn and I'm still getting to learn. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've been through general managers and coaches here covering the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm on my seventeenth head coach and

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Speaker 2: fifteenth general manager. But Shane believes in the process. You know,

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Speaker 2: he believes that you know, if he gets his process, right,

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Speaker 2: He'll deal with the results now. The results have been

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Speaker 2: hot and cold since he's gotten here going into year three.

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Speaker 2: But that contract, I don't believe that that contract or

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones's extension was forced on Joe Shane. I think

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Speaker 2: you know, he made the call as well, you know,

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Speaker 2: so he has to own the idea that if it's

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Speaker 2: time to move on from Daniel Jones, he just made

660
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Speaker 2: a different decision last year. But the reality is that

661
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: they did structure the contract. Now they're not out clean

662
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Speaker 2: next year with Jones, but they certainly haven't out to

663
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Speaker 2: the point where I think it's twenty two million dollars

664
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Speaker 2: in dead money. You know, we can talk about the

665
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Speaker 2: cap and whether it's valid. I think this is Jones.

666
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Speaker 2: This is a call for Shane to make. And they

667
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Speaker 2: know what it was like to be up in Buffalo,

668
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Speaker 2: and they know they're in the top ten, and if

669
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Speaker 2: they're in the top ten next year, in a year after,

670
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Speaker 2: they might be looking for jobs. And I'm not saying

671
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Speaker 2: that he's going to make a pick based on keeping

672
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Speaker 2: his job, but he's got to make a call now.

673
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Speaker 2: If what they leave is a great quarterback class, if

674
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Speaker 2: they have an opportunity to get one of their guys.

675
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Speaker 2: They've got to pull the trigger and then see what

676
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Speaker 2: happens after that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, from where we stand now,

678
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Speaker 5: next year's QB class is you know, considered lesser by

679
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Speaker 5: by a bunch. And if you're Brian Dabele and Shane's like,

680
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Speaker 5: will you even be here next draft season?

681
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Speaker 3: If you falter this year? That things go south.

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Speaker 5: I looked at your mock and it was an interesting

683
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: one because you got all the wide receivers going up top,

684
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Speaker 5: like the Cardinals stay home, take Neighbors, the Chargers take Odonze,

685
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Speaker 5: then the Giants at six take Drake May and that

686
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Speaker 5: that would be a surprise if all that occurred, I

687
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: think is I kept keep thinking one of these teams

688
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 5: is going to trade down. But let's say it was

689
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Speaker 5: a chance to take one of the big wideouts or

690
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Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy like, do you think the Giants are cool

691
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Speaker 5: with the top four I'd say the top second through

692
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Speaker 5: fourth quarterback whoever it is, or is it like one

693
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 5: of the they let they want to see one of them,

694
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Speaker 5: particularly fault on And do you have information on like

695
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: who who they think fits their system the most?

696
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Speaker 4: Which guy currently and why Washington right now? Right commanders

697
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: do they like the most?

698
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Mark, it's a great point.

699
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's all a guessing game, right. I mean

700
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: we're trying to be educated. You try to make calls,

701
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: you try to know what teams are thinking. I think

702
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: Shane has done a great job of keeping everybody guessing.

703
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, there are thirty visits. They've brought in May

704
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: and McCarthy and they had workouts with those guys, and

705
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: then they brought in Daniels and they were on campus

706
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: with Pennix and you know, they even had Caleb back

707
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: at the combine when you know, just you know, maybe

708
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: there was that one percent that he wasn't going to Chicago. Uh,

709
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: they've had all the wide receivers in. I think the

710
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: McCarthy thing is, you know, it's about traits, right, It's

711
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: about what you can't see. It's about a leap of

712
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: faith that everyone's saying. You know, some coaches will see

713
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: I can turn this guy into something special.

714
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Speaker 3: That sounds mac jonesy.

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Speaker 6: By the way, now that sounds Daniel Jonesy. I mean,

716
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 6: because that was a guy who has got like a

717
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 6: consensus second quarterback in that class, but they thought they

718
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Speaker 6: could see something others did.

719
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Speaker 2: It's true, you know what, but I would say that

720
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: you trust Pat Shermer. Pat Shermer got one year out

721
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Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones. It turns out to be, you know,

722
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones's high point really set up his rest of

723
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: his career with the Giants until that playoff run. But

724
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: look that the cornerstone of this of this front office.

725
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: The two guys are Shannon Dable come from Buffalo and

726
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: they went through they lived the Josh Allen experience. And

727
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier now to look at it and say, oh,

728
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: well he was their guy. He was their guy, but

729
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't the popular guy. And I really think that

730
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: they trust Dabele and to an extent, Kafka and Shay Tierney,

731
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: who's gotten a bump now as the quarterbacks coach, that

732
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: they can bring in a guy. Look what they did

733
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Speaker 2: with Tommy DeVito last year. If we get a guy

734
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Speaker 2: in that we believe in, we could turn him up

735
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Speaker 2: and turn a JJ McCarthy or Drake May into the

736
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Speaker 2: best quarterback in this in this draft. I don't know

737
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: if they can, but I think that that's kind of

738
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Speaker 2: some of the insight that I've gotten from the Giants

739
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: and that you know, just because we think JJ McCarthy

740
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: has the potential of being the number two guy in

741
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Speaker 2: this class, is not going to shy. We're not going

742
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: to shy away from taking him.

743
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Speaker 4: And you know, coincidentally this morning, again it speaks to

744
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: and art apologies the forward thinking nature of this segment.

745
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: Flash point focused naturally that NFL Network was airing Super

746
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 4: Bowl forty six this morning between the Giants and Patriots.

747
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: A second and eleven.

748
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 4: Welker, you got to pull an in bro four minutes

749
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: to play Greggy one time out for the Giants and

750
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: pats up too, leaving that clock down. There's going to

751
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: be a minute left on the clock and pats up

752
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 4: five at the very least.

753
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: And as it makes that.

754
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Speaker 5: Catch, as g Justelle said, you know, my husband, my

755
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: ex husband at this point like can't throw the ball, can't.

756
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: Throw the ball ahead and catch it.

757
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 6: I think the take that I've said the most on

758
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 6: this podcast, that you've just said you don't believe me

759
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 6: for some reason, is that that's easily the most painful

760
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 6: in Patriots history, easily outweighs the other.

761
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: The other time, A whole conversation, we digress, yes, and

762
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: then the turkey shot to beat all turkey shots from

763
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Speaker 4: Eli to Mannaham.

764
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Speaker 3: Let's pause real quick. We'll be right back with Art

765
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: Stableton on the Giants.

766
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Speaker 4: We're back. Can we fly up arts? Tweet this morning?

767
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: This is the type of production we have here.

768
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Art.

769
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: You you thought of something, you fly it up, and

770
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: then we have it art stabled in Holy hell, this

771
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: is going to be the craziest New York Giants draft

772
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: on days one and two that I think I will

773
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: have covered on the beat.

774
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: The mood swings will be epic. I got engagement with

775
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: this tweet.

776
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: Yeah at pop Yeah, Art's respected, he goes back a

777
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: long way. The team and the fan base trust him,

778
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: and I want to ask the question mood swings. That's

779
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: a good way to get into it because listen, as

780
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: a jets Van Art like I struggle with the knowledge

781
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: that the The Giants are a Tiffany franchise and they're

782
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: led by ownership that you can trust, that know how

783
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: to handle situations. Overall, However, I think it's fair to

784
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: say that since the turkey shot to Manningham and a

785
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 4: mod Bradshaw falling into the end zone, and then four

786
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: days later coming out to Culver City and me interviewing

787
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: him and being very clear that a mod Bradshaw had

788
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: not slept or stopped partying since that game.

789
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Speaker 3: I digress once more. But since then, there's been a

790
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: lot of nothing.

791
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: And I know the way Daniel Jones closed two years

792
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: ago and then they beat a bad Vikings team in

793
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: the playoffs and all that, that kind of satiated the

794
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: fan base a little bit.

795
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: But ownership, like, where is the patients level?

796
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: Where where do you get in terms of internally where

797
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 4: the Giants are? Because it has been now a pretty

798
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: cold period, especially for a team that's really had a

799
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: fair amount of success in the past thirty forty years.

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00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, the impatients really went through

801
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: the last three head coaching regimes. I mean, this is

802
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: the fourth head coach since Tom Koughlin left the franchise

803
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. You know, it wasn't that long ago, right,

804
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like it. But you know, I

805
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: just think that ownership believes in this front office. I

806
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: really do think that, and I do think that the

807
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 2: Giants want to get back to the point where they're

808
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: not changing everything every two three years. You know that

809
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: being said, it does come down to the results and

810
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: if they completely flop again this year, and you know,

811
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: we saw all this talk a couple months ago, the

812
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: idea of what if, what if Bill Belichick is on

813
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: the market, would the Giants blow out this regime and

814
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: bring Bill back home? And right now, I think it's ridiculous,

815
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: but I've seen ridiculous covering this team since twenty fifteen,

816
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: So you know, look, there's pressure, what level of pressure.

817
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't think the ownership is looking to get guys

818
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: out of here. I think John Marra believes in Joe Shane.

819
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: He likes Joe Shane the general manager, being the front

820
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: man of his organization. I think they like Brian Dable.

821
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: I think they don't believe that last year the team

822
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: quit on him. You know, ultimately it matters when you

823
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: move down the line. I mean, guys don't get into

824
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Canton because their teams didn't quit on them. They get

825
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: into Canton because they won. And I think that's kind

826
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: of where they're at. So the hot seat, the seats

827
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: are as hot as what they make them. And this year,

828
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't believe ownership is looking to make changes at

829
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: the end of the season. But they weren't looking to

830
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: get rid of Joe Judge three days before the end

831
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: of the Joe Judge season. But because they had to

832
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: look for a general manager the way Judge became toxic

833
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: in a sense, they had to get rid of them.

834
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: You know, I don't believe they went into twenty seventeen

835
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: looking to get rid of Ben mcindo, but the team

836
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: imploded locker He lost the locker room, and they had

837
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: no choice but to blow everybody out. So we'll see.

838
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: But I think ownership is confident that Shane's history and

839
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 2: what he's shown to this point and how he'll grow

840
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: as a front office executive will turn this team in

841
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: the right direction. How quickly that happens, we'll just have

842
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: to wait and see.

843
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: When do you think the last time that John Mara

844
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: and Bill Belichick spoke on the phone, When did that occur?

845
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: And also, like you said, you right now see it

846
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: as ridiculous. I'm curious, like why you see it that way?

847
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 2: What Belichick is real?

848
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: Returning returning the idea of it.

849
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Speaker 2: I think I think the idea that everybody watched him

850
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: in New England and saw how that went downhill. I mean,

851
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: you know what would Bill be willing to do? Would

852
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: be would Bill be willing to come in and you know,

853
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: work with Joe Shane in a front office, or would

854
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: he have to pick his handpick guy. Or would Bill

855
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: want to be the GM and be the head coach

856
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: because that failed? Or would Bill just want to coach

857
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: the team. There's there's different levels of a return of

858
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. As far as the phone calls from John

859
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: Mahra and Bill Belichick, I'm guessing they kind of laid

860
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: low after the whole Brian Flores, Brian Dable, wrong, Brian

861
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: Texics Hi aim from Bill Belichick to Brian Flores. But

862
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: I could tell you, look, Belichick's heart will there will

863
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: always be a piece of his heart with the Giants,

864
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: and there will always be a piece of the Giants

865
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Speaker 2: with Bill Belichick. I don't believe that going into you know,

866
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Speaker 2: the draft, that John mara is sitting there saying, you

867
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: know what, if this fails, I'm bringing Bill back. But

868
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: in a couple of months, if things really don't go

869
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Speaker 2: the way they expected it to go, and Bill places

870
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Speaker 2: a call with his intermediaries, I can't tell you that

871
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. We're talking about the greatest

872
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: coach in NFL history, and there's a piece of that.

873
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: I think that the Giants would it would appeal to ownership,

874
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: but not many people other than John Marra are in

875
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: that organization left from when Belichick was the defensive coordinator

876
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: with Parcels as well. You know, Belichick is as much

877
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 2: the guy who lost the two Lombardies that are sitting

878
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: in the lobby of the facility that he is the

879
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: defensive court to help deliver the first two Lombardies. So

880
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: that's kind of the way the Giants are. It really

881
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: does come down to John Marra and Steve Tish to

882
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: an extent, who is the co owner. He has a

883
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: relationship with Bill Belichick as well.

884
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a reporting on ESPN. We might hit

885
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 6: this a little more tomorrow about Belichick, but that yeah,

886
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 6: he kind of had an eye on all these NFC

887
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 6: East teams, essentially the Giants, Eagles, Washington that next year,

888
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 6: and that he was willing in Atlanta to not be

889
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 6: in charge of personnel, which was an interesting nugget if

890
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 6: that was true. He's willing to work with with their

891
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 6: GM and he he still didn't get that job here

892
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 6: last one for me at least art is just like

893
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: if there are a lot of different scenarios, just they

894
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 6: have so many needs, Like do you think if there's

895
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 6: two good like number one wide receivers available at six

896
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 6: in the top three quarterbacks are gone and I'm including

897
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 6: may to me, you know, is the most Josh Allen

898
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 6: like and maybe has the highest ceiling other than capable.

899
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 6: And to say there are gone, you know when when

900
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 6: you look at this raster and what they think their

901
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 6: their needs are, like, how do you think they'll they'll evaluate,

902
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 6: you know, having the like can they feel like they

903
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 6: leave this draft? I guess is my larger question without

904
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 6: a quarterback if they just don't think the value is

905
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 6: there at six versus like forcing it, like like you

906
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 6: could argue they did with with Jones at the same

907
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 6: position five years ago.

908
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: I completely get the sentiment, and I agree with you.

909
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: You can't just look at this draft and say we

910
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: have six picks, we have to get a quarterback with

911
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: one of them. And what does that mean? You know,

912
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: you you've got coaches here. You know you made the

913
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: call last year to have Daniel Jones here. You have

914
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: Drew Locke here, You have an undrafted guy in Devedo

915
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: who you know, at this point, you know, it was

916
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: much much more of a fan favorite than he was

917
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: a future you know, solution at quarterback. You know, look,

918
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: I think that's why they've done the homework. You know,

919
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: give credit to Garifolo and rap report with the you know,

920
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: they had visits over the weekend with Bone Nix and

921
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler. I mean if Dable looks at you know,

922
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: Nicks and says, look, I love this kid. We saw

923
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: him at the Senior Bowl, he came in here. You know,

924
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: I think that a year under under our coaching, that

925
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: we can get him to be a you know, a

926
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: top fifteen quarterback in this league. You know, maybe they

927
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: look to use their early second round pick, maybe we

928
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: have to move up a little bit. Maybe they like

929
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: Rattler right there in the second round, or even you know,

930
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: moving up from their third round pick. I do think

931
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: that there are guys. Shane made a comment a couple

932
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: of weeks ago Greg that you're gonna get quarterbacks from

933
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: all different places in this draft, and it was kind

934
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: of interpreted like, you know, we know the top guys,

935
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: but we may be looking for guys who might be

936
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: developmental guys. You know, they have a guy and Daniel

937
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Jones who money wise on the books. You know, they're

938
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: not lying when they say they hope to start the

939
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: season with him in week one because they they have

940
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: an idea that they want to develop a quarterback a

941
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: little bit similar to the way the Giants know for

942
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: with Eli. But the reality is it's just going to

943
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: have to depend on how their board breaks and how

944
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: aggressive they're going to be. They don't have eleven picks,

945
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they can't just all of a sudden

946
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: start throwing picks around and saying, you know what, we

947
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: need to get this quarterback. And if they do, they

948
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: better be right because if they're not right on the quarterback,

949
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: especially if they get rid of assets to get a quarterback,

950
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: they're going to be leave themselves short at other positions

951
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: and that is only going to hurt them on the

952
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: field this year. And do you have ownership buy in, Well,

953
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, I believe they do to a point, but

954
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: if they go against what ownership wants and ownership says,

955
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: you know what, we believe in you. But if it

956
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: fails and fails miserably, then you got a problem.

957
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: Art Stableton. Thank you very much, sir, and check out

958
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: all of arch Giants coverage the record. They're in North

959
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 4: Jersey North Jersey dot Com. Of course his podcast as

960
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: well if you want the late on the Giants all

961
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: in with Art Stable to thank you very much, good sir,

962
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: and shout out to the Rocklandburg and Alliance.

963
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: You've got it, guys, appreciate it.

964
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you.

965
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 4: There he goes Art Stable and uh, it just didn't

966
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: make me think. First of all, they really are. The

967
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 4: mood swings are set up for the Giants because unless

968
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: they make an aggressive move up the board, which i

969
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: you know, you never know, but they kind of are.

970
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: They have to wait it out and they.

971
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 4: Have to see what is presented in front of them

972
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: and it could lead to a new quarterback or.

973
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 6: Greg Like you said, they could see how they move back,

974
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 6: you know, they could see what the Patriots would take.

975
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: It really feels like that logical.

976
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Giants, Then you're it's the nerves are high because

977
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 4: it's hard to really you know what's happening the first

978
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: two picks obviously, but then like how these teams and

979
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: it's funny, this is how the draft and this is

980
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: how the sau Siege gets made. Your entire organization's future

981
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: is kind of hinging on these other teams in front

982
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: of you and decisions they make, unless you try to

983
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: put it in your hands and move up the board.

984
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: But that's very costly. And on the Belichick thing, Mark.

985
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 5: That was the first question, Like when I was writing

986
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: down my curiosities for well, I just like, I just like,

987
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 5: come on, this makes too much sense.

988
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: I remember A Football Life, and then I just looked

989
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: it up real quick. It was actually the series premiere

990
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: of A Football Life, the NFL Films NFL Network show,

991
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 4: and it started with a two parter on Belichick, and

992
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: it always stuck in my mind when Belichick goes to

993
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: old Giants Stadium before they tore it down, and he's

994
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: staring at the locker room and he gets wistful and nostalgic,

995
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: and he actually gets just emotional, choked up talking about

996
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: how important this building was and all the great memories

997
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 4: and what it meant to him to be involved with

998
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 4: those Giants teams, even if his relationship with Bill Parcells

999
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 4: wasn't always so hot, so it would not I would

1000
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: think he would be very interested in the right situation.

1001
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: And then then it becomes about the maras and the tishes,

1002
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 4: whether they are and again the good thing for Giants fans,

1003
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: you guys overall like they have strong.

1004
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: Leadership, like are there reverse gears in their tank?

1005
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: Will they get sucked in by this or will they

1006
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: look at it the way other people seem to be

1007
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: looking at Belichick as a depreciated asset at this age.

1008
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: I think Belichick's Q raating is gonna just continue to

1009
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 5: climb towards next offseason. I just do because I think

1010
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 5: suddenly you're like, you're gonna have teams that have you know,

1011
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 5: Joe Fabets at head coach. It's like, wait a minute,

1012
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 5: we could have had or could have Belichick. And like

1013
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: I you've talked about the Belichick biographies and they're great,

1014
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: but the Parcels one too, does an incredible job of

1015
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 5: describing how the Parcels Belichick relationship came to be. And

1016
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 5: I think parcel Or Belichick was one of the most

1017
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 5: famous coordinators of that era. Well sometimes coordinators absolutely absolutely,

1018
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 5: Like I mean he when he got to Cleveland job,

1019
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 5: like you know, right after winning that second Super Bowl

1020
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 5: with the Giants, like I was immediately I immediately bought

1021
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: in and was just fascinated by the concept of who

1022
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 5: he could be and what he was, and he did

1023
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: it in Cleveland, and then it's the team goes. But

1024
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 5: it's like Belichick is not be an unattractive option. And

1025
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 5: I think if you're a Giants fan, and if you're

1026
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 5: the Giants media corps, and Belichick comes back to the

1027
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: New York Giants, like what else makes more sense?

1028
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: Poetically for the National Football League.

1029
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 6: It's a it's a fun little backdrop to this NFC

1030
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 6: season because, as our points out, it all comes down

1031
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 6: to win losses. Like, I don't care who the quarterback is,

1032
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 6: what the scenario is, what happens. If the Giants win

1033
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 6: nine games with Brian Dable this year, they're not gonna

1034
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 6: fire him like like, but if they win six games,

1035
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 6: they might.

1036
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1037
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 6: It's like that's just how it works. And I think

1038
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 6: that's how it's gonna work for the Cowboys, possibly the Eagles,

1039
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 6: and the Giants. So it's these three teams, these big

1040
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 6: franchises and apparently you know, Belgick's kind of I in

1041
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 6: those three teams.

1042
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, like football season, all the things that

1043
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: go with it.

1044
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 6: And don't forget the East coast, and I think Giants

1045
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 6: might be might come out of draft day disappointed. We'll see,

1046
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 6: but I or they could be flying because the board

1047
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 6: fell the right way. I think they're gonna I think

1048
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 6: the most likely outcome is what I asked Art about,

1049
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 6: which is like, actually, Daniel Jones probably is got to

1050
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 6: be their quarterback, and they're going to try to do

1051
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 6: as much as they can can. And they've had a

1052
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 6: good offseason. They got Brian Burns. He changed the offensive line,

1053
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 6: like as much as they can to get high level

1054
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 6: talent around Daniel Jones because the quarterback.

1055
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: It just well doesn't fall right for them, you see.

1056
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: And the assumption, even if they did get a quarterback,

1057
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: the assumption Daniel Jones is out of the building.

1058
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: No, he's a sunken cost for them.

1059
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 4: And if they choose to go the route of twenty

1060
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 4: four twenty years ago, where you had a veteran start

1061
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 4: and then a rookie come in, you might see Daniel

1062
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 4: Jens and a new guy.

1063
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1064
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 6: It's kind of sad though, you know what that means.

1065
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 6: And it sounds like they're going to take you nowhere.

1066
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: You're going somewhere. Yeah, Tommy DeVito will be out of

1067
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 3: the building. Oh, I thought you're saying Drew Lock. Yeah,

1068
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: because they have Lock in the building.

1069
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's guaranteed some money though. Yeah, I don't think

1070
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 6: Lock's going anywhere.

1071
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 5: That would be steveto doesn't work on like the Arizona Cardinals.

1072
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 5: Like there's a miss that we're not aligned there.

1073
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 4: And as many people have told me, the other thing

1074
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 4: to remember about next January when the cycle begins anew

1075
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: at coaching. Bill Belichick is spending this year learning how

1076
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: to be a head coach, and once he learns, like

1077
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: how do you be successful in the NFL, he relearns that,

1078
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: like his brain is firing off the synapses, everything's working again,

1079
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: He'll be You know.

1080
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 5: What I like about this is like this is wherey

1081
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: like hul Cogan macho man, where like after spending a

1082
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 5: decade of you kind of annoyed with Belichick and everything

1083
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 5: that he had produced, the fruit seed produce, now you're

1084
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: like backing him unlike anyone else. I know, Well, I

1085
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 5: never not I respected the man. I don't doubt that

1086
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 5: where this bunts you a lot of it's oh a lot.

1087
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 5: He caused you a lot of pain and your showing

1088
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 5: a lot.

1089
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: Of salt being rubbed in like he loved rubbing the

1090
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 4: salt into the wounds of Jets fans.

1091
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: And why you have that Clemson football over there, I.

1092
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: Got it built, that orphanage burned down to the ground.

1093
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 4: You can't disprove that, Greg, That's why you're so mad.

1094
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: You can't disprove that I flew down to the Clemson

1095
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 4: area and rebuilt an orphanage.

1096
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'm starting to believe it.

1097
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 6: Literally on the football it says that the conference that

1098
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 6: you contributed to, that you have no idea what it was,

1099
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 6: was in Los Angeles and is like, you know, the

1100
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 6: future billionaires of area summarized.

1101
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. See, it's not that hard. I

1102
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: think from another angle.

1103
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: Dan reached out to Clemson and this, how can I help, said,

1104
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 5: put something in oculus on the football. Don't don't let

1105
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 5: them know what I actually did, because that don't let

1106
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: them know.

1107
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: Also, this last year's thank you football, another one potentially

1108
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: as if you've stopped working for the Clemson.

1109
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 4: Area, the Orphanage ball is coming. And by the way,

1110
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: get your hands off there. It's Dabo Sweeney's autograph on it.

1111
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 6: Uh most valuable partner, Dan hands this thank you does

1112
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 6: not know you show the camera.

1113
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: I don't take that away. Sure, I mean we.

1114
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 6: Got a tight shot out here, we go here, and

1115
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 6: uh yeah, I can't read it off the camera, So

1116
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to turn around. It's thank you for aiding

1117
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: in the professional development of our schother athlete and providing

1118
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 6: a life changing career experience during our twenty twenty three

1119
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 6: Los Angeles business Week trip. So I don't see orphanage,

1120
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 6: I don't see Carolina. I mean, it's amazing to me,

1121
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 6: as someone who won this prestigious Most Valuable Partner award

1122
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: that you don't even know what's freaking stated to it.

1123
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 6: And I have the ball, and I'm happy that you

1124
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 6: helped the young Clemson students figure out how to take

1125
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 6: advantage of workers.

1126
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: You're a big man of battle.

1127
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna I didn't actually give my formally my

1128
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: thank my acceptance speech of the football thank you to Clemson,

1129
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 4: thank you to dave O. Sweeney, thank you to the

1130
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: everyone that you know needed me in a big spot

1131
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: and I delivered. It says right here, Greg, a life

1132
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 4: changing experience. And I've been involved with a.

1133
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 5: Few, so I wouldn't normally bring this up, but I

1134
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 5: actually remember the day that the Clemson contingent came to

1135
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 5: the newsroom. It was one of those days when I

1136
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: was in the newsroom early and I actually talked to

1137
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 5: three or four of them because they were asking about

1138
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 5: television and television production. And then right next to my cubicle,

1139
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: on my on the right side of my cubic glass walls,

1140
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 5: it says Dan HANSI, and I think they meant to

1141
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 5: send it to me because I actually.

1142
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: Developing news, making news develop A bunch.

1143
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 5: Of them asking about how tell like they were setting

1144
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: up for an NFL network show and like a bunch

1145
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: of people.

1146
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: Oh you deserve a football.

1147
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 5: I'm just saying you do too, no doubt, because of

1148
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 5: your other task down in the Clemson area. But I

1149
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 5: would like to I'm gonna start my own.

1150
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 6: According to some NFL media sources very close to the situation, uh,

1151
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: there is reporting that Mark Sessler is the man they

1152
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 6: actually meant to give the fag.

1153
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 3: Your attempts are my attempts. This is the man who

1154
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: helps the kids, I believe remembrance. I'm not claiming that

1155
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: to be the case.

1156
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 5: I'm saying something unusual occurrence.

1157
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 4: The one person who definitely doesn't get or deserve a ball.

1158
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 4: Is the guy that's crowing the most about it. So

1159
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: read into that.

1160
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 6: I don't want to look look at the look at

1161
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 6: the performance of the Clemson football team since you spoke

1162
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 6: to him.

1163
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: Now you're hitting out. This is brand Greg Clemson. You'll

1164
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: you'll fight back and you've got great leadership at the top.

1165
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 4: Let's take a break and when we return. Chad Ruter

1166
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: on the NFL Draft. All right, welcome back. So we

1167
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: just spoke with Art Stabled and breaking down the Giants

1168
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: and a very interesting half. They have next week's draft

1169
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: where they pick you know, all their different picks or

1170
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: do they have six or seven picks whatever. But then

1171
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: there are men like Chad Reuter for NFL Media, has

1172
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: been with the company since twenty eleven, who when he

1173
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: drops his final mock draft, it will have every single pick.

1174
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: What is it, two hundred and sixty this year? Where

1175
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: are we at?

1176
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: We yeah, two fifty seven.

1177
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: Two hundred and fifty seven. That drops on Friday, and

1178
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: we're gonna get a little sneak preview of it. So Chad,

1179
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: welcome back to around the NFL. Thank you gentlemen for

1180
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: having me on. It's a pleasure to be here this

1181
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: draft class. You've been doing this since two thousand now,

1182
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 4: So where are your thoughts on this draft class?

1183
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: Where did you give it a grade? The overall class?

1184
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 6: It is.

1185
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: B ish. There's some great positions, some not very deep positions,

1186
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: and it's fun when there's quarterbacks. You know.

1187
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 8: Look, I love offensive lineman. That's my favorite position, and

1188
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 8: not just because I'm a big dude. But when we

1189
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 8: have part of it, well absolutely. One time I was

1190
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 8: at a Packers training camp and Larry Bechtel, their longtime

1191
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 8: offensive line coach, saw me on the sideline watching and

1192
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 8: he looked at his guys and said, hey, you guys

1193
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 8: better do this with because you got guys on the

1194
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 8: sidelines there who can step in for you and play,

1195
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 8: you know, so like the stands, Yeah, absolutely exactly. But no,

1196
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 8: when there's quarterbacks, it's just more fun. And I think

1197
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 8: it's gonna be a lot of fun, a lot of intrigue,

1198
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 8: and so I'm really looking forward to it.

1199
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: You're not messed around with the quarterbacks. The one of

1200
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 6: the picks that really stands out. I mean, first of all,

1201
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 6: your answer to the Giants question was they trade up

1202
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 6: to for it and they take McCarthy. So they trade

1203
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 6: up with Arizona and ended up getting McCarthy. But the

1204
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 6: thing I wanted to start with was you had Minnesota

1205
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 6: City at eleven, didn't get the trade up that they

1206
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 6: take bow Nicks, that you would think that there could

1207
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 6: be that much appreciation for bo Nicks And the two

1208
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 6: most logical teams in my mind would be the Vikings

1209
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 6: or the Broncos that that he could go that high.

1210
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 8: Absolutely, if you look at bo Nicks, he is very

1211
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 8: much like Kirk Cousins, and if they want that similar

1212
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 8: type of guy, he's right there. Although but Kirk Rwsins

1213
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 8: was like a fourth round pick. You don't usually take those,

1214
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 8: yeah guys that early. But it would be a wild

1215
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 8: it would be a wild thing to take a guy

1216
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 8: like that. And that's interesting. I remember because we were

1217
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 8: when Cousins got picked. I remember going back into the

1218
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 8: Culver and we had kind of the debrief from the draft.

1219
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 8: Right We're sitting around in a room and people were saying, uh,

1220
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 8: why would the why would Washington take Why would Washington

1221
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 8: take RG three and then take Kirk Cousins, And people

1222
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 8: and I and I said, Hey, Kirk Cousins was second

1223
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 8: round value.

1224
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: They got him in the fourth round.

1225
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 8: It was a good move and the room went silent, like, I,

1226
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 8: you know, just said something about somebody's parents or something.

1227
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 3: So I think, I think you're known to do in fairness. Well, yeah,

1228
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: look you'll bury a parent. You don't give it.

1229
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 8: You do it once, you do it once, and then

1230
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 8: people think you do it all the time.

1231
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.

1232
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 8: So, so he was viewed as a more than a

1233
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 8: fourth round pick, and I think, and I think just

1234
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 8: the demand for the position Minnesota. Look, Sam Donald really

1235
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 8: solid player. They cannot just roll out general. So I

1236
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 8: think you have put in Sam Donald and a guy

1237
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 8: like Nicks, and you know they work together and get

1238
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 8: it done.

1239
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers fans would come out of this

1240
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 5: process absolutely thrilled if what you suggest happens happens, because

1241
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 5: they have a Marvin Harrison falling to them and all

1242
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 5: this business like, oh, the Chargers won't draft a wide

1243
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 5: receiver because they are gonna only have like two know

1244
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 5: that that would be amazing. It's a need and it's

1245
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 5: also the best player in the draft argue. But then

1246
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 5: I love this too because I kind of just love

1247
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: organic fits where you love no matter what you think

1248
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 5: of the player is gonna be maximized where he goes.

1249
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 5: And Blake Koram, Michigan's running back going to the Chargers

1250
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 5: to Harbaugh in round two, I think that is like

1251
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 5: I love draft things like that, and I even I

1252
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: think on the show we talked about like stuff we

1253
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 5: wanted to see happen. I had that too, And so

1254
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 5: is do you think that Harbaugh is like, no matter what,

1255
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 5: willing to go do that with the second round?

1256
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: Is he hoping that he just falls to him?

1257
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, I would think so.

1258
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 8: And you know he may not a lot of people

1259
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 8: don't have Blake Koram as a top forty pick and

1260
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 8: five eight. I understand that, but you know the Chiefs

1261
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 8: took Cech at the end of the first round, also

1262
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 8: another five eight guy. I didn't like that pick. But

1263
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 8: I love Quorum as a as a player. He does

1264
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 8: everything pass protection like he doesn't pass protect like a

1265
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 8: guy who's five eight, I mean, and he does everything,

1266
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 8: and coming off the knee injury a year ago, he

1267
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 8: wasn't even his.

1268
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Most explosive self.

1269
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 8: And we've seen guys really turn it on after that year,

1270
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 8: so I think he'll be even more explosive than he

1271
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 8: was this year in the NFL. If everything goes right,

1272
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 8: and I think Harball, you know, it was so effusive

1273
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 8: his praise of JJ McCarthy and and I think he's

1274
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 8: gonna feel the same book Quorum, And honestly like, if

1275
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 8: he doesn't pick Korum, he could end up going all

1276
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 8: the way down to the Ravens to play for John

1277
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 8: Harbaugh at the end of the second round. So those

1278
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 8: are the kind of the two spots for Quorum.

1279
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes we in this ramp up to the draft, start

1280
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: to fall in love with an idea or a thought

1281
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 4: and then it turns it turns very surfacy when you

1282
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: look back, Oh, it didn't play out that a way

1283
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: at all, And that's what everyone seems to be doing

1284
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: with Oh, Harbor will definitely, I'm talking about Jim. We'll

1285
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 4: take an offensive lineman because he loves his dogs and

1286
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: he loves to run. But as you point out, going

1287
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 4: to get a playmaker and potentially a truly special one

1288
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: like Harrison to stretch the field. I mean that helps

1289
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 4: the running game as well, so that that shicks out

1290
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 4: exact way exactly right.

1291
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 8: And and don't forget that Harbaugh had to sit there

1292
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 8: and watch Marvin Harrison. I don't you know, but yeah,

1293
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 8: I mean he had some pretty good games, and I

1294
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 8: think he knows the kind of special player he'll be getting.

1295
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 6: I saw you put Neighbors at thirteen, falling all the

1296
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 6: way to the Raiders. I'm sensing as we get closer

1297
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 6: to the draft, a lot more of the people in

1298
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 6: your neck of the woods, the draft knicks are projecting

1299
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 6: Neighbors to slip that that Dounza maybe goes ahead of Neighbors,

1300
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 6: and that maybe Neighbors isn't as big of like a

1301
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 6: top five to six lock as as we thought maybe

1302
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 6: a week or two ago. Like where is is that

1303
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 6: coming from info? Just your film tape? Like what's going

1304
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 6: on there?

1305
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: So I think.

1306
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 8: All I know is I've been doing this long enough

1307
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 8: where that where people think the top ten guys are

1308
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 8: not going to end up being the top ten pick.

1309
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 8: So just we know that and Neighbors, there's no questions

1310
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 8: about Oduns. He is a solid player. He is Mike

1311
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 8: Williams for the Chargers. For me, he's he's really just

1312
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 8: a solid player that you know what you're gonna get

1313
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 8: with Neighbors, I'm not sure, And he's so much like Obj.

1314
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 8: He's so much like him and Obj went twelfth and

1315
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 8: and those are the kind of things that I just

1316
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 8: look for. Hey, hey, if Neighbors does not go top six,

1317
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 8: where is this? Could this could be what happens? And

1318
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 8: you know, and the other thing is, I'm not going

1319
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 8: to project like eight trades or anything, but if he

1320
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 8: starts falling down, obviously somebody might get in the mix

1321
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 8: there too for him.

1322
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 6: But you projected a lot though it was spicy, and

1323
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 6: you always bought, like what the specific one is. You

1324
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 6: had the Colts trading up for Bowers. Yeah, and then

1325
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 6: you give the exact trade that it would be. It

1326
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 6: would be Bowers at a third in exchange for fifteenth.

1327
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 6: Overall a second and a fourth. That's a lot for

1328
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 6: a tight end. But well, fighting for the Colts. Yeah,

1329
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 6: you know, he's more than a tight end. I I

1330
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 6: think he's the best player in this draft, regardless of position.

1331
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 6: And I won't be shot. I honestly won't be shocked

1332
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 6: at the Charges take him at five or if they

1333
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 6: can work out a trade with the Giants for that

1334
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 6: once spot to get that. I think he does everything.

1335
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 6: I think if you get a guy in the George

1336
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 6: Kittle to Travis Kelcey Realm. He's much more than just

1337
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 6: a tight end.

1338
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers are meeting with him as we

1339
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 5: as we speak, are very very soon to Now you

1340
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 5: have another trade because I like looking at the two

1341
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 5: teams that don't have picks in the first round, the

1342
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 5: Panthers and the Browns. The Panthers you think would be

1343
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 5: sitting there at we know we need players, but they

1344
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 5: trade the pick to the Raiders who take You have

1345
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 5: Michael Pennox Junior falling all the way to the thirty

1346
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 5: third pick. I think a lot of people feel like

1347
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 5: there's gonna be this run on quarterbacks. You got the

1348
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 5: Broncos the Raiders in your world when they move up,

1349
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 5: but like someone's got a fall So, yeah, I get this,

1350
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 5: So you think this could this could happen.

1351
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: Pennix goes all the way to round two.

1352
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 8: Look last year, a lot of people thought Hendon Hooker

1353
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 8: and Will Levis were going to be first round picks

1354
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 8: and they were not, and that happens. I mean, would

1355
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 8: I be surprised if the Raiders move up into the

1356
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 8: thirty second spot in the first round to get him, No,

1357
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised at that at all. But the carline,

1358
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 8: Caroline does not have enough picks and they need a

1359
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 8: lot of players, and they the previous administration kind of

1360
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 8: left them bereft of draft capital. So they're gonna be

1361
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 8: looking for a deal like this and if they can

1362
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 8: they can find it, they're gonna take advantage of it.

1363
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 8: And so I think this makes a lot of sense.

1364
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 8: And look, Michael Pennox lost parts of four seasons at

1365
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 8: Indiana to injury. You don't see a guy like that

1366
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 8: going in the first round very often. If it was

1367
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 8: a one off, that's fine, But you know, I think

1368
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 8: that's the thing. And with him, and he's really talented.

1369
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 8: I mean, he if you put an offensive line around him,

1370
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 8: you give him the whatp he's gonna hit him and

1371
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 8: he's a very talented thrower. But there's gonna be questions

1372
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 8: about his abult's knee and shoulders.

1373
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: So there you have a trade, another trade in the

1374
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 4: first round. Both teams intrigued me. So you have the

1375
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 4: Rams and Chiefs doing business, and yeah.

1376
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: I love that.

1377
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 4: You're you think you think it's very possible that there

1378
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 4: that less need goes to his dresser drawer and pulls

1379
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 4: out that FM Picks T shirt again and for another

1380
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: year to continue the streak that dates back to two

1381
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 4: thousand and after twenty sixteen will not have a first

1382
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 4: round pick. That's interesting to me. So but let's start

1383
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: first with the Chiefs, who to me, this is the

1384
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 4: one that as a layman, I still feel like. The

1385
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 4: thing I'm really commid about is the Chiefs make a

1386
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 4: charge up the board in the first round to get

1387
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 4: a wide receiver, especially now with the Rashid Rice situation.

1388
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey another year older, not a lot of depth

1389
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 4: in general, you have him moving up to the middle

1390
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 4: of the first round.

1391
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.

1392
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think Xavier Worthy out of Texas

1393
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 8: is a perfect fit for them. I know that they

1394
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 8: signed Hollywood Brown, but look Worthy is very worthy of.

1395
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 4: The nailed it and he's an explosive player who just

1396
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: stand on your analysis right there, like go blank and

1397
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: wait for us to change exactly right, exactly right.

1398
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 8: No, but look he's He's not just the guy who

1399
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 8: ran a fast forty. I mean, that's obviously one of

1400
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 8: the strengths. But he can catch the ball in short

1401
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 8: areas and make people miss. He can get down the sideline.

1402
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 8: I don't think safeties in college understood how fast he

1403
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 8: was because they would like get try to get towards

1404
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 8: the sideline and then he'd be gone. And I think

1405
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 8: when you add that to the Chiefs offense, the Chiefs

1406
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 8: won two Super Bowls, but like you know, they were

1407
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 8: not happy with how things played out on offense, right,

1408
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 8: and that's the kind of difference maker that they'll go

1409
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 8: up and get the other thing that I if you

1410
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 8: guys remember when the Lions went up to get Jameson Williams.

1411
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 8: They went from thirty two to twelve to go get him.

1412
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 8: And if brock Bauers gets into that area, I'm really

1413
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 8: curious to see if they would go get him or

1414
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 8: if even if they think of Worthy that highly.

1415
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 6: That's where like fit is everything, because I do think

1416
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 6: Worthy is more dynamic than people are giving credit for

1417
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 6: as like a real player, Like he's a much smaller

1418
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 6: player than Kadarius Tony, but I think could do some

1419
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 6: of the things that they were hoping Kadarius Tony could

1420
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 6: have done now that they've totally given up on that.

1421
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 6: Like if he lands with the team like the Chiefs,

1422
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 6: then you can see him being like quite Zay Flowers,

1423
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 6: like maybe with more speed, which is like, but if

1424
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 6: he ends up on the wrong team and then he

1425
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 6: winds up being a bus I think that's an amazing fit.

1426
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 6: But I really do have to say I found one

1427
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 6: of your picks ridiculous and just questionable.

1428
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: With pick two thirty.

1429
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 6: With two thirty five, okay, you had the Seahawks taking

1430
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 6: tight end McCallen Castles.

1431
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chad was drunken reach reach.

1432
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: I know.

1433
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 6: Right for McCallen Castles to go top to thirty five,

1434
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 6: you're gonna get a lot of pushback, I feel, you know.

1435
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: Look, you gotta take chances with this.

1436
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 8: I can't be the same as everybody else who put

1437
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 8: Castles at two fifty one.

1438
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: You know, I have to take some chances.

1439
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 6: And it must be a process at the end of

1440
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 6: this seven round thing of just.

1441
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is happening at the end there you just

1442
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 5: kind of like, well, you've seen that probably deep team

1443
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 5: information that you're leaning on in the seventh you.

1444
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 8: Know, in ted Lasso when he's playing darts against the

1445
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 8: mean guy that I can't think of the name of.

1446
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 6: No.

1447
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 8: Look, you know the play, you get your population of

1448
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 8: like three hundred some guys that are in the mix

1449
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 8: and you're got tim team needs, you've got workout, you've

1450
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 8: watched them for the past three four years, and you

1451
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 8: try to make some interesting ads. And at that point

1452
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 8: you're like, Okay, what team needs two edgereshers, what team

1453
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 8: needs two cornerbacks? You know, and so where are these?

1454
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 8: And and you just try to get as many guys

1455
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 8: and then you look for the off the radar guys

1456
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 8: weren't at the combine, Like thirty guys who who weren't

1457
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 8: at the combine will probably get picked.

1458
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: So you have to take all.

1459
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 4: That night iteration circling back that the idea of the

1460
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 4: Chiefs getting powers makes so much sense, both because you

1461
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 4: think about the two tight ends set there, but also

1462
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 4: Kelsey at thirty three of the year or two left.

1463
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 4: You got to learn under Kelsey in the building and

1464
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 4: then have a locked and loaded potential superstar to replace him.

1465
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 8: That there's just a lot of logic there that checks out. Yeah,

1466
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 8: I would I would love to see that kind of

1467
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 8: huge move.

1468
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I think.

1469
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 8: To stay on top, you can't just do the status quo.

1470
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 8: You can't and you have to make big moves. And

1471
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 8: they're so good at scouting later in the draft that

1472
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 8: they can afford to, you know, take some chances and

1473
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 8: and so like again, Xavior Worthy is not out of

1474
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 8: the conversation either at like that eleven twelve area. If

1475
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 8: you remember John Ross went like ninth, I think, and

1476
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 8: he was not he was not nearly the prospect.

1477
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 6: That it's a great point that you make about everyone

1478
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 6: thinks they have the top ten and it becomes very consensusye,

1479
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 6: where like there's so much agreement, and then it never.

1480
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 3: Happens that way.

1481
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 6: Like even guys who are now you look back at

1482
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, yeah, Drake London, of course he was

1483
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 6: the number eight pick.

1484
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 3: It's like no one had that.

1485
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, no one had that, and he was like

1486
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 6: a very well known prospect, like but literally no one

1487
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 6: had that. And that happens all the time with these

1488
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 6: these guys at the top. Fun mock that one comes

1489
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 6: out when on Friday, on Friday.

1490
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 5: One little note, Bills fans are not going to be

1491
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 5: happy at the twenty eighth pick that they don't go

1492
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 5: wide receive where they go defensive player edge Marshawn Neeland.

1493
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Brandon Bean's already come out and said, look,

1494
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 8: we're not reaching for a player, and I mean I

1495
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 8: thought of a bunch of different ways of them moving

1496
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 8: up to get a guy, but they're not. They move up,

1497
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 8: but they only give up like a fourth round pick

1498
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 8: or something like that. If somebody falls into the early twenties,

1499
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 8: then then maybe they go get them.

1500
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 6: Someone to if all the sixth that you had quite

1501
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 6: a few receivers falling that far Roman Wilson, right, you

1502
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 6: have them taking Roman Wilson, Ricky Pierce ow you had

1503
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 6: eighty Mitchell falling quite away as Troy Franklin. And if

1504
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 6: you just do the math, yeah, some of these guys

1505
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 6: that feel like they have a chance to be in

1506
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 6: the top thirty five forty at receiver are absolutely going

1507
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 6: to be there at the end of the second round.

1508
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 8: Well, and teams and I would drive the editors and saying,

1509
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 8: if I projected six second round trades, right, I mean,

1510
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 8: so they would go nuts.

1511
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: And but that's what happens. There's five or sixth trades.

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Speaker 8: So a lot of the guys that I have at

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Speaker 8: the end of the second round, teams will move up

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Speaker 8: and go get And the Bills are probably one of

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Speaker 8: those teams that'll move one of their fourth round picks,

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Speaker 8: move up and get one of the receivers they like,

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Speaker 8: kind of like Packers did that with Christian a couple

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Speaker 8: of years ago, and so I would expect that more

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Speaker 8: than a first round move.

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Speaker 4: From them, Chad writer, check them out NFL dot com.

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Speaker 4: Where can they find you?

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Speaker 5: On?

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Speaker 3: Mark X on x.

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Speaker 1: Twitter, Great Chad Underscore.

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Speaker 4: Mark insists that, uh, the owner gets his due. That's

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Speaker 4: just the Mark thing.

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Speaker 5: And I can't that is completely inaccurate, but well we'll

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Speaker 5: just let it go. Where okay find you? Great Phoenix

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Speaker 5: Mellon is like, call him? I would, uh, Chad Underscore

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Speaker 5: r e U T E R right, yeah, but don't

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Speaker 5: call him ruder.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, all right, thank you to Chad, Thank you

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Speaker 3: to Art. Good name day too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Chad, we got an art tomorrow, we get

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jerrod. Oh, come back for more draft analysis with

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Speaker 4: Move the Sticks on at n Until then, you know

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Speaker 4: what you must do.

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Speaker 3: Heed the fun