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Speaker 3: Big game coming up in about twenty five minutes or

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Speaker 3: so on the ESPN. It looks like it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics and the Oklahoma City Thunder, a potential

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Speaker 3: finals preview. Everybody's excited about it. Okase, he's mostly healthy,

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Speaker 3: Boston is mostly healthy.

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Speaker 4: This could be a really.

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Speaker 3: Good contest being these two teams. But the big store

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Speaker 3: you mentioned it is Jason Tatum's return to the floor.

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Speaker 3: He came back ten months post achilles tear, looking like

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Speaker 3: he's ready to roll. And there have been some positive right,

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Speaker 3: there has been. You can't say it's all been negative

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Speaker 3: because he's been defending reasonably.

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Speaker 5: Well, rebounding very well. You know, I think he's got.

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Speaker 3: Six double doubles. He's scored in double figures in all

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Speaker 3: eight games he's played. He's scored twenty points in five

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Speaker 3: of the games he's played. He's rebounding very well, but

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Speaker 3: he just hasn't looked like Jason Tatum, and that is

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Speaker 3: primarily the problem. Since he's come back, he can tell

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Speaker 3: he's still favoring that leg. He's kind of afraid to

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Speaker 3: push off and as a result, he's settling for a

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Speaker 3: lot of threes. More than half of his shots have

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Speaker 3: been from three point nine. The problem is he ain't

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Speaker 3: hit them right. He's only shooting thirty nine percent from

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Speaker 3: the field, and he's shooting twenty nine percent from deep.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other problem. The Boston Celtics were one of

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Speaker 3: the field good stores of the NBA, Like, hey, we

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Speaker 3: depleted our roster. We don't know when Tatum's coming back.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Brown like an MVP candidate, and it's because they're

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Speaker 3: playing this helter skelter. Outside of Jalen Brown, everybody's doing

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Speaker 3: a lot of different things, keeping folks on their toes well.

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Speaker 3: As soon as Tatum came back, he's not shooting the

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Speaker 3: ball well, and yet he's playing like Jason Tatum. His

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Speaker 3: usage rate so far thirty point eight percent. For context,

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Speaker 3: that's a higher usage rate than Nickel, Jokic and Jalen Brunson,

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Speaker 3: so he's not easing himself into the situation. As results,

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Speaker 3: you have several anonymous executive and scouts that are worried

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Speaker 3: about the long term outlook this season of the Boston Celtics,

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Speaker 3: with one anonymous scout saying there's a lot of downside

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Speaker 3: to Tatum coming back and not so much upside.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, eph, I think we're looking at a

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Speaker 1: case where teams are looking at what happened to Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: Klay Thompson and the Warriors back a halffull of years

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Speaker 1: ago when Kevin Durant was hurt playing against Toronto twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knew he was hurt, he came back, he played,

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Speaker 1: he tore a his achilles again and we were all concerned.

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Speaker 1: And obviously that kind of put from downhill from then,

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Speaker 1: because then Klay Thompson gets hurt and it's just a

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Speaker 1: rap for the Warriors and ultimately Kawhi Leonard and the

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Speaker 1: Raptors will get that championship. And by the you know,

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Speaker 1: they played very well too, admirably, So I want to

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Speaker 1: make it like they just lucked into one. They played

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Speaker 1: some good basketball. But I think there's some concern with that. Man,

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Speaker 1: do you come back too early risk losing him again

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Speaker 4: So I do get some concern there.

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Speaker 1: But I do think athletes nowadays typically have come back

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Speaker 1: ahead of schedules. Athletes nowadays, this isn't your Oh you

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Speaker 4: It's not exactly where we are now.

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Speaker 1: Guys are able to come back healthy, in some cases, healthier,

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Speaker 4: But I look at it like this. We are now

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Speaker 4: And a lot of those.

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Speaker 1: He's an MVP candidate. We got a shot to go

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Speaker 4: This is what we do.

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Speaker 1: We got what eighteen titles and I think maybe nineteen now.

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Speaker 4: And I view it as they're saying, Daggan, I know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, eighteen eighteen? Is it eighteen eighteen, eighteen seventeen,

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Speaker 1: But I'm just said I think they're looking at it

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Speaker 1: We're at that place where titles is all that matters,

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how much of a risk it

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Speaker 4: This is we're living.

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Speaker 6: We're living in the culture now and Adam Silver has

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Speaker 6: now we're talking about a young man who had acl

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Speaker 6: And now we're scratching our head, like why is he

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Speaker 6: that may not be smart for him to come back

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Speaker 6: even three years ago, two years ago, where guys, we're

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Speaker 6: and every individual athlete is different. Everybody's body respect bonds

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Speaker 6: to injuries and recovery differently. So look, I didn't expect

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Speaker 6: him to come back and beat Jason Tatum the Jason

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Speaker 6: Tatum he was prior to the injury. You gotta remember

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Speaker 6: he's only had what eight to nine games if that,

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Speaker 6: and so his body is going. He's not in shape.

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Speaker 6: He's not in basketball shape. And the reason they're doing

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Speaker 6: because you need more legs than anything to shoot from

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Speaker 4: The fact that he's.

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Speaker 6: Back in the flow of it, on the flow of

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Speaker 6: moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: You'd beat asinine to say having someone who's a first

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Speaker 6: having him back in the lineup at a team that's

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Speaker 6: vying for the number one seed in the East is

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Speaker 6: a detriment that makes zero sense, right, Having the ability

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Speaker 6: Brown is an MVP candidate. What he's been able to

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Speaker 6: do came from nowhere, right, No one expected the Celtics

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Speaker 6: But let's not get this twisted. Jalen Brown is the

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Speaker 6: reason there where they are, and he's played at an

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Speaker 6: MVP level on both ends of the court. So having

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Speaker 6: now he doesn't have to carry the load of a

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Speaker 1: I love the fact too with Jaylen Brown, I was

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Speaker 1: this complete Jalen Brown era. If you will, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean just from the the stuff. He's become more vocal,

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Speaker 1: that about him, but I met more. He's having fun.

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Speaker 1: He was having fun with the whole hair dye on

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Speaker 6: Having called Lebron, you probably got a chance to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. So we know he's about

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Speaker 1: the social commentary. Know he's about science. He's a nerd

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Speaker 4: And we know he's.

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Speaker 1: Also having fun. He's enjoying the season. He loves that. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm a dog out here, I'm an MVP candidate. He's

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Speaker 1: talking smack. I'm not a free throw merchant like SGA

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Speaker 4: And showed great leadership because you know, we all thought.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody if you really been watching the

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Speaker 4: Off the map.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd be definitely mistaken if you thought that,

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Speaker 4: Only look where they are. They're third in the West.

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Speaker 1: He's still moving, rob Ja, Man, we got some serious

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Speaker 1: stuff going on, some serious allegations with one Pooka Nakua

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Speaker 4: And if you're the Rams, you gotta be like, here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really tough scene if you are a Ram.

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Speaker 3: So if you're a football fan in general, it's not

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Speaker 3: now that Pooka Nakua at a night out with friends,

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Speaker 5: We don't know what's gonna come of it.

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Speaker 3: More than likely nothing like it's one of those things

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Speaker 5: His lawyers have not denied the bite part.

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Speaker 3: They're denying the anti semitic part, So that's making that

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Speaker 5: Whatever it is, what it is, They're a competitor. Not

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Speaker 3: Number three goes on a live stream with Aiden Ross

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I have massive reservations from And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 1: When you start to make with decisions and start to

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Speaker 1: and is this person going to be That was a mistake.

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Speaker 4: But once you start getting into violence, specifically violence against women,

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Speaker 1: Now, my concern is about what he really do once

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Speaker 1: We sometimes forget these guys are young, twenty three, four

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna keep an eye on that.

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Speaker 4: I take this very seriously.

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Speaker 6: What you get? If I'm the Rams, I trade him

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Speaker 6: So now I'm looking, Okay, what can we get for him?

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Speaker 6: That's how I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 6: right now, his highest value outside of him having an

436
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Speaker 6: all Pro season again next year, would be right now

437
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Speaker 6: going into the draft. Now, some teams won't be swayed

438
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Speaker 6: by what's going on and the things that he's doing.

439
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Speaker 6: But it's showing a huge problem with immaturity on a

440
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Speaker 6: team that's older, a team that's felt they should have

441
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Speaker 6: been in the super Bowl and should have won the

442
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Speaker 6: super Bowl. And so now there's no room for error.

443
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Speaker 6: This is probably Matthew Stafford's last year. There is no

444
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Speaker 6: room for error. So you don't want to have any

445
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Speaker 6: distractions or things in that locker room that can alter

446
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Speaker 6: those plans.

447
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Speaker 1: I think too from you want to you the forest,

448
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: gut one while use one for you. That fel people say,

449
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, money really exposed to just who you really are.

450
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Speaker 1: And my concern would be, now I throw him all

451
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Speaker 1: this money, is he gonna be even more irreverend, Is

452
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Speaker 1: he gonna be more immature? He's gonna be even more reckless?

453
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Speaker 1: And that would be a massive concern because again, this

454
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Speaker 1: is a big time investment saying not only do we

455
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Speaker 1: expect you to be great on the field, we expect

456
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Speaker 1: you to be a great leader in the community. When

457
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Speaker 1: you give that kind of money, We're not saying, hey,

458
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Speaker 1: you're just good.

459
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Speaker 4: We're saying you are.

460
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Speaker 1: You are a face of the organization, and you know this,

461
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Speaker 1: You're going to speak.

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Speaker 4: In the community.

463
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Speaker 1: You might have then go do a charitable event. You

464
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Speaker 1: might have to go do something with kids. You might

465
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Speaker 1: have to go through firemen, police. You know you're a captain.

466
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Speaker 1: If you will like that kind of money says you

467
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Speaker 1: have a lot of say in this organization. We care

468
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Speaker 1: about you, We want you to be here for the

469
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Speaker 1: long haul, and it can't be a guy. Well here's

470
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Speaker 1: a bunch of money. I think you'll be here. I

471
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Speaker 1: think you might not be suspended. I hope you're not suspended.

472
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Speaker 1: I hope we don't have to suspend you to kind

473
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Speaker 1: of jump in front of it, in front of the league.

474
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: You know how teams do that, all right, we'll suspend

475
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: them three or four, So hopefully the league will cut

476
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Speaker 1: him some slack. So I've just disappointed in him because

477
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Speaker 1: to your point, they had a really good season.

478
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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford is.

479
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Speaker 1: Your MVP, and you're looking at it as man. We

480
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Speaker 1: feel like they could say, man, we should have been

481
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Speaker 1: the interstet of the Seahawks, and you try to bounce

482
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Speaker 1: right back.

483
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Speaker 4: He's a massive part of what you do.

484
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Speaker 1: But again, this is too much happening in less than

485
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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days.

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Speaker 6: Eph you know you want to pay that forty five

487
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Speaker 6: million dollars.

488
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Speaker 1: No, and you brought up a great I want to

489
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Speaker 1: go back to a point you made that I thought

490
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Speaker 1: it was excellent bringing up guys like Antonio Brown when

491
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Speaker 1: guys had to transfer schools. And I don't just mean

492
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Speaker 1: because I didn't get enough playing time. I'm talking to

493
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Speaker 1: other stuff kicked off. This grades bad. And I'm not

494
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Speaker 1: saying you're plenty of guys who will come out to

495
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Speaker 1: be amazing people, not only good football players, amazing people. Again,

496
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Speaker 1: I was eighteen and I did some dumb stuff. I'd

497
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Speaker 1: imagine maybe you did like I'm not. I'm not saying

498
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Speaker 1: you can't. You have to be perfect when you're eighteen

499
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. However, if there is a pattern of having

500
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Speaker 1: to switch schools, getting into a coach, then this coach

501
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: with that coach and got to go to another school

502
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Speaker 1: even though you're talented, there can that happens quite a

503
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Speaker 1: bit where guys will go third round, fourth round, fifth rounds.

504
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Speaker 1: You mentioned six because there's something to him. This doesn't

505
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Speaker 1: really pass the smell test, you know, like something somethings off.

506
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Speaker 1: Why when I go talk to some of his teammates.

507
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Speaker 1: They kind of man, you know, well, I can talk

508
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Speaker 1: to his coach. They're like, boy, that boy was a

509
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Speaker 1: problem child. And so I'm just saying, if you're pooking

510
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Speaker 1: the cool man, it's time to wisen up straight up.

511
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Speaker 6: And hey, man, they gave him that conversation already. They did, right,

512
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Speaker 6: and they stuck by him very very They're not going

513
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Speaker 6: to This won't be the first time he's heard them say, hey,

514
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Speaker 6: chill out, man, like, what's going on with you?

515
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Speaker 4: Whatever, He's gonna do what he's gonna do. Right.

516
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Speaker 6: So, now, as an organization, you have to determine, right,

517
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Speaker 6: is it worth it for for for this year. I'm

518
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Speaker 6: not talking about two years from now and three years

519
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 6: for this year. Is it worth it to disrupt an

520
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 6: all in type of year? Is it worth it? Or

521
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Speaker 6: could you get some value, some trade value for him?

522
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Speaker 4: Now, well, you brought up a good point with the

523
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Speaker 4: scouting too. Man. That's how they got Cooper Cup. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 4: who was this guy? What was it?

525
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Speaker 7: Third round?

526
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Speaker 6: I believe man, they are proficient in finding especially receiver talent.

527
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Speaker 6: That's not a problem. Can you get something worth a

528
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 6: pooking the cool right now that you can now separate

529
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Speaker 6: yourself from what may happen. Are the headache of someone

530
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Speaker 6: who now makes forty two to forty five million dollars

531
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Speaker 6: a year and doesn't feel like there are any consequence

532
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Speaker 6: as for his actions or of the things he says.

533
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Speaker 1: Last point for me, Ephraim, I'm so tired of guys

534
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Speaker 1: getting on these streams.

535
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying, don't stream have a ball, play the

536
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 4: video games, which you can be on streams. Just don't

537
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Speaker 4: be stupid.

538
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Speaker 1: Don't be stupid, don't be on the live lashing the

539
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: gun joh Wick, you know, like you know you don't,

540
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: don't like just behave with up mock me and the boy.

541
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Speaker 4: We shoot a hoove, we played games.

542
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Speaker 6: I'm whatever stupid does man like kids, everybody didn't grow

543
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 6: up with common sense, bro.

544
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Speaker 4: I know.

545
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Speaker 6: The one thing about common sense is it's not very

546
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Speaker 6: common and so and so when you get in these

547
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Speaker 6: situations where you have someone repeatedly saying things and putting

548
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 6: not only himself but his team in harm's way, that's

549
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 6: they don't get it. Giving him more money doesn't make

550
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 6: him understand it. And what will get him may have

551
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Speaker 6: him understand is he finds himself he woke up in

552
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Speaker 6: Cleveland playing for the Browns, are in in in the

553
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Speaker 6: in New York playing for the Jets, then it'll be like,

554
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Speaker 6: oh snap, right, Like so some some things have to

555
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Speaker 6: jar these guys into unders standing there's a there's you're

556
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 6: there's a privilege to being a professional athlete. So you

557
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: have a responsibility for yourself, for your organization to do

558
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 6: things the right way.

559
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Speaker 4: And if you can't handle that, then you can't be here.

560
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to pacify you, placate you, and and

561
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 6: and and give you all this money, invest all of

562
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Speaker 6: this capital, and then find and say, damn well, in

563
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Speaker 6: two years we got to get rid of them.

564
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Speaker 4: No, I'm not doing that.

565
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566
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568
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Speaker 4: The Nuggets have been a weird team this season, and

570
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Speaker 4: that they're right there.

571
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Speaker 1: People still have their hopes on them because a joker,

572
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: how great he is, but they haven't looked great and

573
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: they haven't really taken that leap, meaning you know right there,

574
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: one seed two.

575
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Speaker 4: See, they're kind of just third, fourth, fifth, sixth.

576
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Speaker 6: They're not third. They're not third because the Lakers are third.

577
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Speaker 6: I know, go ahead, I'm sorry, Roger, that's right. The

578
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 6: Lakers are third, so they're not like Lakers are third,

579
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Speaker 6: four or five, six, somewhere in that area.

580
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Speaker 1: And a game and a half behind the Lakers from

581
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Speaker 1: are the different Nuggets. But Roger, people have a lot

582
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Speaker 1: of faith in the Nuggets in the postseason because of

583
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Speaker 1: Joker and how great he's been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason why people have

585
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Speaker 3: faith in the dinner. Because East pointed to your point

586
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: as well, like this has not been a great Nuggets season.

587
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: A lot of it because they injury, but they just

588
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: haven't looked like a team that would really get over

589
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: the hump because the guys are heard all the wrong times.

590
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Speaker 3: Only I think this week is they finally had everybody together.

591
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: And even then, since Jokic goming back from the knee injury,

592
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Speaker 3: he hasn't really the numbers look great. He hasn't played

593
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: the way he normally plays. He's having double digit turnover

594
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: games against the Bulls for no reason, Like it's it's

595
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: been uneven for Denver, but because they have Nikola jokicch

596
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Speaker 3: and because he is widely regarded as even now the

597
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: best player in the world for three four years running.

598
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Speaker 3: The expectation is that if anybody is going to, you know,

599
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: disrupt the idea of a Spurs Thunder Western Conference Finals,

600
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be It's gonna be Nikolai Jokic and the Nuggets.

601
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Speaker 4: Didn't know where you were going with that. Yeah, And.

602
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Speaker 3: Even still our fearless leader here Kelvin Washington, doesn't share

603
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: that sentiment.

604
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: This is my thing, Aphram.

605
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna be projecting a little bit because there's

606
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Speaker 1: two people I kind of hold to these standards of

607
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: how great they've been for their throughout their career. Now

608
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: we all know Joker has been, as Rob g has said,

609
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Speaker 1: best player in the league either one, two or three

610
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Speaker 1: for the last you know, if you want to say,

611
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Speaker 1: six years or so, give or take.

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Speaker 4: And he's been. He's won two MVPs.

613
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Speaker 1: But my one thing, I'm always kind of like, man,

614
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Speaker 1: people are vaulted.

615
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Speaker 4: Tell me if you've heard the same thing, Ephraim.

616
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Speaker 1: They're starting to put them ahead of Dirk, put them

617
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: ahead of Larry Bird. People are starting to put them

618
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Speaker 1: way up the these lofty places. And I get the

619
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Speaker 1: talent and I get the numbers clearly, and he's doing

620
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: things we haven't seen. We haven't seen a passing big man.

621
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Speaker 1: Bill Wanton was the one of the best we've ever seen.

622
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: He's out here looking like the center of magic Johnson

623
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Speaker 1: right now. However, my only thing is, if you're that great,

624
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Speaker 1: if we're starting to knock you pass a bunch of people,

625
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: then my expectations and it's only based off being a

626
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Speaker 1: victim of your own success. As far as for him,

627
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: at MVP's two MVPs, how many times has he finished

628
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Speaker 1: as the runner up or in the top three?

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Speaker 4: I mean every year the last six years or so.

630
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Speaker 1: Then I have to start grading you differently. And his

631
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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference version of this is Giannis. Now he's had

632
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: more success, But my point is him specifically, but I've

633
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: been mentioning is about Giannis to Rob over the last

634
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: couple of months, these guys have been one or two

635
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: best player multiple MVPs, this, that and the other. Well,

636
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Speaker 1: how come they're not living in the Western Conference finals

637
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: respectively for him Eastern Conference for your honest how come.

638
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: They're not always in the mix for a title? They've

639
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: been good, but he has the one title twenty twenty three,

640
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: and then people liked, what do they like to do

641
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: about your Lakers and that they always make fun of

642
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: that twenty twenty uh ring, what do they call it?

643
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: The bubble one? The Disney one? You know, to take

644
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: them take all of that sarcasmot your voice, bro, I'm

645
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: with you, but that's what people say. Am I crazy? No,

646
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: that's probably the hardest ring to win. Well.

647
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Speaker 1: People I have said the same thing, people away from

648
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: their families for weeks to months, But.

649
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Speaker 4: People are bubble. That was devastating.

650
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were in the middle of chaos in the world.

651
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Speaker 1: We don't know if people are dye, are gonna die whatnot.

652
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 6: But we people like to call that and we needed

653
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 6: those games for us out here sanity, for our sanity,

654
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 6: like we needed the NBA to do what it did

655
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 6: for us, not to want to open the window and just.

656
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: Right just lean out head first.

657
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: But I bring that up Ephian because they lost to

658
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the Lakers in the Western Conference final that year. Yeah,

659
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: one to four, basically a gentleman suite. So get gentlemen

660
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: swept in the Western Conference Final to the Lakers, and

661
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: then it got the title in twenty twenty three. That's it.

662
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: That's it. He's not regularly in the finals. He's not

663
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: regularly in the Western Conference finals like routinely. I'm not

664
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: saying you gotta go to win the finals every year,

665
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: but you know how the Celtics had been in the

666
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals a bunch and they were trying to

667
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: crack through, and they finally got there and they lost

668
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: to the Warriors.

669
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: Then they finally won it a couple of seasons back.

670
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: My point is for Joker, I'm watching him like dang

671
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: for how good he is and how great he is

672
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: in all time, and people are vaulting him up past people.

673
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: When you start to.

674
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Look at the list of guys who won multiple MVPs,

675
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: they stayed in the finals. Right, you got Kaream won six.

676
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: We know he's stayed. We already know that Kareem stayed

677
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: in the finals.

678
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: Jordan. Let's move on, Bill Russell, let's for sure move on.

679
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: Who had five MVPs.

680
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: And you got Lebron who's got four titles but lived

681
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: in the finals. Larry Bird lived in the finals. Magic

682
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: And so then you got Nicolo Jokis with three MVPs,

683
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: and I'm.

684
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: Like, man, it should have been four.

685
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: But and that's my point like, if you're that guy

686
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: four MVPs, am I crazy from you love who you watch?

687
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: Who?

688
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Am I crazy for wanting a four time should have been,

689
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: as you said, at four time MVP, but are currently

690
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: at three time MVP to not live in the Western

691
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Conference finals, No, it should have not be in the finals,

692
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: to not have be in the mix right now, it's Thunder,

693
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: it's Spurs, it's you know, out of Celtic's gonna do

694
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: it again.

695
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: And that's all I'm saying for where we vaulked him.

696
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: I'm not the talent is crazy, the accolades are crazy,

697
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: but people are jumping him ahead of so many people.

698
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at history, says like the people

699
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: who are won three, two, four, five, six MVPs routinely

700
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: were real threats to get to the finals and had

701
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: gotten to the finals or at least stayed in their

702
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: conference finals.

703
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

704
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 6: I think it has a lot to do with supporting

705
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 6: cast as well. I think in this day and age,

706
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 6: is hard to keep a championship team together. All right,

707
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: we saw what happened with the Bucks and Giannis, and

708
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 6: you know, Golden State really had their core three together

709
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 6: for a long, extended period of time. I don't think

710
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 6: a team has been able to do that since then.

711
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 6: And it's one of those situations where what happens is

712
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: you win a championship, guys are gonna go get paid.

713
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 6: Golden State decided they were gonna just eat the luxury

714
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 6: tax and keep those three guys and extend them on

715
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 6: their contract. But now it's impossible. With the new CBA

716
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 6: and the apron, the apron of the collective Bargaining Agreement,

717
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 6: you can't do that. You can't keep a team like

718
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 6: that together, so you'll have less and less Like okay

719
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 6: See has an opportunity to do something special because they

720
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 6: have a young core. Of course Williams is paid, Shay

721
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 6: is paid, but they got a bunch of guys who

722
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 6: are still trying to, you know, make their name in

723
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 6: this league. Another team that that is primed for doing

724
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 6: something like this because they keep hitting on draft picks

725
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 6: are the Spurs, right. You have to be able to

726
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: develop these these players, these young players at a rapid

727
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 6: pace and then maintain them and then keep them and

728
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 6: be successful while they're young in learning and Denver wasn't

729
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 6: like that. They had they had older play Remember they

730
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 6: lost Bruce Brown, right, after that, even though the coach

731
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 6: came out, it was like Bruce isn't going anywhere, and

732
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 6: then he went somewhere. Right, So once owners filled that championship,

733
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 6: they don't mind parting ways with pieces. Uh, And so

734
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 6: I think that bows back in the day, teams were

735
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 6: just staying together. The Bulls were going to be the Bulls.

736
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 6: The Lakers were going to be the Lakers. The Celtics

737
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 6: definitely weren't getting rid of anybody. They may add pieces,

738
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 6: but they weren't going to get any get rid of

739
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 6: anybody that really gave them an opportunity to keep continue

740
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 6: to compete.

741
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: In the finals.

742
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 6: So I can't put it all on the Koliokic, right,

743
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: because he's been such a superior athlete and a player

744
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 6: in the NBA. And he also makes his team lazy.

745
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: He makes he leads his team in points, assists, rebounds, blocks, everything, steals.

746
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: He leads his team in every category.

747
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: So yeah, there will be some times where he'll have

748
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: a forty three twenty and fifteen night. It's like, okay,

749
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 6: but can he doesn't do that every night?

750
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 7: No?

751
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: Of course not.

752
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 6: So his team, you know, they get a little lazy,

753
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 6: get a little you know, complacent with his greatness. And

754
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 6: you got to remember he is a sinner. Even though

755
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 6: he has the ball in his hands a lot, he doesn't.

756
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 6: He's not extremely fast. He's not going to attack the

757
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 6: basket like that. So when you look at somebody like Shay,

758
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 6: Shay is fast paced, he's going, he's getting his shot,

759
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 6: Nikola Jokic is setting his teammates up. The game is

760
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 6: a little bit slower in pace and things like that,

761
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 6: so he won't be able to he won't get the

762
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 6: same accolades as a as a Shade does. That the

763
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: MVP Joel and b one over him was ridiculous. You know,

764
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 6: that was just recency.

765
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: We're tired of him fatigued. That was just recency bias,

766
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: that's all.

767
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: But Nicola jokis no matter what anyone says, he's one

768
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 6: of the greatest basketball players.

769
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: And what I ever, no, no, no, that's not even

770
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: a question. That's why I'm sitting here scratching my head

771
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: is you know, like man, people who are typically this dominant,

772
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: it usually comes with more dominant postseason wise.

773
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: That that's my only thing.

774
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Nobody's question is talent, nobody's question is ability. But when

775
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: people are starting man yok is there at knocking guys out.

776
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: He's jumping vaulting people into all time greats, and I'm like, man, well,

777
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: that usually comes with a lot more sustained postseason success,

778
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: because ultimately, from when we start listing the greats of

779
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: the greats of the greats, that's generally what we go to. Right,

780
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: what's the reason why most of the time people say

781
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: Lebron can't be the goat George six and oh, right,

782
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: whether you agree or not, but that's my They six

783
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: and oh, Kobe five and two and sustained success and

784
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: Kobe's only got one MVP.

785
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 6: But which is crazy, I know, to think about it,

786
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 6: they let Steve Nashell, but it's fine, fine, I know

787
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 6: that it's fine.

788
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Twice he has two. So again I'm just looking at these.

789
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: You know, Tim Duncan, who has two MVPs. We know

790
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: how many times he went to the finals with the

791
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: five and one. So that's all I'm saying. It's just

792
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: interesting to me the two guys who've been dominating their

793
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: conferences the last seven eight years, and Joker and Giannis,

794
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: neither of them have really been dominant threats often in

795
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: their own conference at the point where the.

796
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: Bucks are like Bro, We're ready to go. Read it's

797
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: a team. Move on, it's a team game.

798
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: And if you don't have the right supporting cast, like

799
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 6: the Bucks tried with the Dame Lillard experiment, it didn't work.

800
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 6: Chris Middleton never was the same after the injury and

801
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 6: after the championship. So I mean what, you try to

802
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 6: put the pieces together. But like I said, you have

803
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: to defront office, the scouting department. You got to be

804
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 6: real savvy in order to really put a competing team.

805
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: Look at Okce Bro.

806
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: They got fifteen first round draft picks, and they got

807
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 6: a young core. They got guys over there ready to

808
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 6: eat somebody's arm off to get on the court.

809
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: That fits well with their star players. That's how you

810
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: do it.

811
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 6: Sam Presley has done a tremendous job building this team

812
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 6: for a year, for years.

813
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: That's how you go about it.

814
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 6: Like, if you don't continue to build and shape and

815
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 6: develop your young players, you're not going to be able

816
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: to capitalize on a long run in the playoffs. That's

817
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 6: why I brought up San Antonio. They had back to

818
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 6: back rookies of the year right at high draft picks.

819
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 6: Back to back rookies of the year. Now they bring

820
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 6: dearon Fox over Now, everybody like what Harper, It's like, right,

821
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 6: they got somebody who's vying for Rookie of the Year

822
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 6: this year. But that's the development, that's the front office,

823
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: that's the organization.

824
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna put it.

825
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: What other people get all this, I'm not no, I'm

826
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: not putting it all on him. But what all I'm

827
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: looking I to be fair, would other people get this

828
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: slack lebron be getting this slack not getting to the

829
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: East Imagine how many you know how many times he

830
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: obviously went to Eastern College Finals East Little Like.

831
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 6: Let's not let's keep that, let's stop doing let's stop

832
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 6: doing that, let's do.

833
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: Let's go to let's go to the What if if

834
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: if you had Tim Duncan who was with he won

835
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: a couple of m vps, if if Larry Bird back

836
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: then obviously, if Magic who won three. I'm just simply saying,

837
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: I feel like other people would get way more smoke

838
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: if their teams weren't getting there.

839
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: I get it.

840
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying. Nicolay Okich. Number one is

841
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 6: not from here. Number two he's very unassuming you're not

842
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 6: gonna have a lot of sound bites, not gonna you know,

843
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 6: it's not a media personality. Was so he just played

844
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 6: ball man. He don't care what nobody talking about. He

845
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 6: don't care what who say.

846
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: What and what.

847
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 6: He just who played he is at the end of

848
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 6: the season, after winning the championship or MVP, he going

849
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 6: to play on the form with the horses, have his

850
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 6: shirt off, drink beers by next to trash can fires

851
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 6: like he is. He's the opposite of what you would

852
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: think in NBA MVP would be. But all he does

853
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 6: is go about his business. That's all he does. I

854
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 6: would that's what yeah, and and so it's it's unassuming,

855
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 6: it's it's very hard. He's not gonna speak out against

856
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 6: the criticism. He doesn't care. He just gonna ball. And

857
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 6: I respect that as a player. But they got to

858
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 6: do something with that team. They really know. Jamal Murray

859
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 6: is good and flashes. Sometimes he shows up in the playoffs.

860
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: Sometimes shows up us the Lakers, right exactly.

861
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: He loves to go that part the game winners thirty

862
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: points for anybody else.

863
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: Against the Lakers, Jamal Murray is Jamal Wilkes. I mean

864
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: he going crazy. Eight seven seven ninety nine on fights.

865
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy for me again, I just know that

866
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: the talent, the greatness. I'm not denying that, but I

867
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: just I thought, between him especially but also a honest

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Speaker 1: that I would get a little bit more for what

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Speaker 1: they've been able to do over the last nearly a

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Speaker 1: decade of their career.

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Speaker 4: What they've been able to do