Speaker 1: To us byers touch style by Waddle snucked into the
Speaker 1: end zone of Miami Boy tight froll tip window. They
Speaker 1: had to get that touchdown on that play, they get it.
Speaker 1: What ends up? Dolphins? And Welcome to the Drivetime Podcast,
Speaker 1: part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering your team,
Speaker 1: your Miami Dolphins. How's it going everybody? I am your host,
Speaker 1: Travis Flingfield And on today's show, feeling like I got
Speaker 1: hit by a bus. We're gonna soldier on because the
Speaker 1: draft preview series begins today. Joe Marino of the Draft
Speaker 1: Network is going to join us talk about the offensive
Speaker 1: line class this year where the Dolphins might be able
Speaker 1: to find some gems with those late Day two and
Speaker 1: also Day three picks. Will also assess the Torn Armstead
Speaker 1: and Connor Williams additions here on this offensive line draft
Speaker 1: preview edition of the Drivetime Podcast from somewhere in South Florida.
Speaker 1: This is you guessed it, the Drivetime Podcast Before we
Speaker 1: get cranking here with Joe Marino of the Draft Network
Speaker 1: talking all things NFL Draft across the offensive line. A
Speaker 1: couple of news items since we last spoke. Nick Needham,
Speaker 1: Dolphins cornerback, signed his second round tender. We discuss what
Speaker 1: that means on a couple of previous podcast. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: also have a contract extension with xaviing Howard and he'll
Speaker 1: be here for the foreseeable future. As this Dolphins defense
Speaker 1: continues to stay intact and that defensive backfield continues to
Speaker 1: look as good on paper as there is in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. We're gonna go ahead and save the
Speaker 1: breakdowns for those two guys in the secondary for Brett
Speaker 1: Coleman of the Film Room on YouTube. He'll do our
Speaker 1: defensive backs draft preview. Will save that for him. Will
Speaker 1: also save the DeVante Parker trade and the Dolphins receiver
Speaker 1: kind of recap of the receiver room this offseason. For
Speaker 1: Friday's episode, which is E. J. Snyder of the Bootleg Podcast,
Speaker 1: plenty of really knowledgeable draft guests come your way here
Speaker 1: on Drivetime And with that, let's go ahead and kick
Speaker 1: off today's episode with offensive line Guru draft guru Joe
Speaker 1: Marino and joining me now on the Drivetime podcast. He's
Speaker 1: the host of the Lockdown Bills podcast. We're walking to
Speaker 1: hold that against him. He works at the Draft Network
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear him talk draft with
Speaker 1: his second favorite Dolphins fan, Kyle Crabs. That's a bit
Speaker 1: of a job there. Check out the Draft Dudes podcast.
Speaker 1: Joe Marino, Joe, what's happening, Buddy, how's life Travis? Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me on. Everything is good here and UM
Speaker 1: excited to talk with you about an exciting up and
Speaker 1: coming football team here in the Miami Dolphins. I know
Speaker 1: I might be hard for you to say, you know,
Speaker 1: being a Bills guy, but we we feel pretty excited
Speaker 1: about where things have gone this offseason. And I do
Speaker 1: want to get into the draft here with you and
Speaker 1: particularly the offensive line as we kick off our draft
Speaker 1: series here on the Drivetime podcast. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you a little bit of kind of some preambles
Speaker 1: about this offseason, particularly on the Dolphins offensive line. But first,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe, you do this every day for a living.
Speaker 1: I was around Kyle and Indie and I got a
Speaker 1: chance to see you for a little bit of the combine,
Speaker 1: but spent more time with Kyle and just kind of
Speaker 1: I love picking your guys brain about the whole job
Speaker 1: that you do in the process. And so what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get at is you guys have so much
Speaker 1: knowledge across not just you know, one fan base or
Speaker 1: one organization the entire league, and so I was curious
Speaker 1: about how the Dolphins have kind of approached this this offseason,
Speaker 1: and then earlier this week we saw the Saints and
Speaker 1: Eagles construct a big trade that basically put the Eagles
Speaker 1: resources down the line. What do you think about that
Speaker 1: with how this draft stacks up, I guess compared to
Speaker 1: next year's draft, and teams kind of taken an approach
Speaker 1: of let's get our resources to next year a post
Speaker 1: of this year in the draft. It's a great question,
Speaker 1: and I honestly think it goes back to more about
Speaker 1: where the teams are in their life cycles and where
Speaker 1: they are as an organization in terms of their regime,
Speaker 1: and less to do with the draft class. Because Mike
Speaker 1: critiques for this draft class are more so that we
Speaker 1: don't have quarterback talent at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: then me thinking that this isn't a good overall draft class.
Speaker 1: I think there's really good talent to be had throughout
Speaker 1: the first four rounds of the entire draft, and so
Speaker 1: I think the trades that we've seen are more rooted
Speaker 1: in the context of those individual teams. Then it is
Speaker 1: an indictment on what this entire draft class does and
Speaker 1: does not offer. And so you think about the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins in particular. This team has made a lot of
Speaker 1: draft picks over the last two three years, and so
Speaker 1: for them, it was probably a really good opportunity to
Speaker 1: maybe push a little bit of that into next season,
Speaker 1: but also go out and add some proven veteran talent
Speaker 1: like a Tyreek Hill to this offense to maximize your
Speaker 1: opportunity to get something out of those draft picks. And
Speaker 1: so I just think it goes back to a team
Speaker 1: by team basis more than it does. Okay, what is
Speaker 1: this draft class offer compared to future years? Because you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: the NFL looks at future draft classes and considers any
Speaker 1: other position but quarterbacks. I don't think you're gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and say, well, we really like this running back,
Speaker 1: but we like the running backs more that are coming
Speaker 1: out next year. I think that is only a quarterback
Speaker 1: driven factor, and so I just think it comes back
Speaker 1: to the teams and where they are in their life cycle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's really interesting because so much can change in
Speaker 1: a year, right, and it's gotten tenfold to that point
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: I had a mail bad question earlier this week in
Speaker 1: the podcast about, you know, thinking about kicking down the
Speaker 1: road for for certain positions or needs. I said, don't
Speaker 1: draft for need, because your needs are gonna change every
Speaker 1: single year, and that maybe seems to be a more
Speaker 1: focused approach. As far as what you just said now,
Speaker 1: you talked about the veteran additions to the offense. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about both toront Orestead and Connor Williams
Speaker 1: here in just a second. But first I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the incumbents you mentioned. You know, the
Speaker 1: Dolphins had eleven top one picks the last two years,
Speaker 1: zero this year, and they'll have I think five more.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty crazy how they've how they've gotten these
Speaker 1: resources in house and spent them and use them. But
Speaker 1: with Austin Jackson, Leah Meikenberg, Michael Dieter and Robert Hunt
Speaker 1: four highly drafted players over the last three years, how
Speaker 1: do you think this new potential system, new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniels, you know, run heavy oriented system. How can
Speaker 1: it benefit those guys that have been drafted recently? Here
Speaker 1: at Miami Dolphins, Well, I think it gives them a
Speaker 1: great opportunity for them to unlock their potential. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned three players there in particular in Michael Dieter, Robert Hunt,
Speaker 1: and Leam Eikenberg that I liked a ton coming out
Speaker 1: of college and had pretty high grades on all three
Speaker 1: of them, and I I viewed them as at least
Speaker 1: average NFL starting caliber players. And you think about the
Speaker 1: factors that have existed in Miami, whether it's been a
Speaker 1: lot of shifts in coaching and scheme and those types
Speaker 1: of things that that doesn't allow these offensive lineman their
Speaker 1: best opportunity to develop. And I think given the pedigree
Speaker 1: that exists with Mike McDaniel running the football, how many
Speaker 1: offensive lineman you've seen kind of come up in that
Speaker 1: Shanahan scheme that is heavily you're gonna be influenced in
Speaker 1: what we see like McDaniel do with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna give those players a real
Speaker 1: opportunity to take a step and deliver on some of
Speaker 1: the promise that existed when these guys were drafted. And
Speaker 1: so I get excited for those players under this new
Speaker 1: circumstance totally different when it comes to coaching the players
Speaker 1: around them the scheme, and I think it's gonna give
Speaker 1: them a real chance to take a step. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think we talk about that enough. Whenever we
Speaker 1: consider why teams may improve, we talk about what's new,
Speaker 1: what do they bring in? Right, A lot of that
Speaker 1: conversation should go back to the development of the players
Speaker 1: that you already have. And you know, just as much
Speaker 1: as adding a player like a Tyreek Hill and adding
Speaker 1: in a Tehran Armstead and the Connor Williams is going
Speaker 1: to help the Miami Dolphins get better, so is those
Speaker 1: young players taking a step. And I think we can
Speaker 1: reasonably look at where they've been and where they are
Speaker 1: now and think that there's a really good environment in
Speaker 1: place for them to take a step and really elevate
Speaker 1: their play and in turn elevate the team. Joe, my
Speaker 1: audience is gonna think that was a coached up answer,
Speaker 1: because I probably do two or three podcasts a year
Speaker 1: where I talk about the best way to improve your
Speaker 1: football team is with the incumbent growth that you have.
Speaker 1: So I love hearing you mentioned that, And you know
Speaker 1: I gave you four guys right there. The Dolphins added
Speaker 1: two more this offseason via free agency, and two really
Speaker 1: good veteran players. And I know you know about to
Speaker 1: Ron Armstead. I know you know about Connor Williams, but
Speaker 1: you know the other guys you mentioned could possibly compete
Speaker 1: for the rest of the jobs there, and that gives
Speaker 1: you more depth and more flexibility, obviously, but you talk
Speaker 1: about the coaching helping young players, and obviously that goes
Speaker 1: a long way. But what about to Ron Armstead? What
Speaker 1: what exactly did the Dolphins getting him not just as
Speaker 1: a player, but as a person that can come in
Speaker 1: and make everybody in the offensive line room better. I
Speaker 1: think that's been my favorite part of this free agency period,
Speaker 1: and really every free agent period is where suddenly you're
Speaker 1: learning about players a little bit more than you would
Speaker 1: have in the past because they're gonna be changing teams
Speaker 1: and because of that, you have to kind of do
Speaker 1: some research and learn more about players. And I've always
Speaker 1: known that Toronto Armstead is a terrific left tackle and
Speaker 1: you know, one of the better left tackles in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. What I didn't know and what I've learned
Speaker 1: over the last few months and learning about the free
Speaker 1: agent classes, just how much of a of a team
Speaker 1: centric player he is, and you know, the leadership and
Speaker 1: just how he connects with teammates and how important football
Speaker 1: is to him. I've I've really gained a big time
Speaker 1: appreciation for those intangibles that come with Terron Armstead. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows he's gonna come in and be a top tier
Speaker 1: left tackle for the Miami Dolphins. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: giving enough consideration and talking enough about the person that
Speaker 1: they brought in. And when you're talking about a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff, you know a big part of that is
Speaker 1: being able to have veterans on your team that can
Speaker 1: connect the message of the coaching staff to the locker room.
Speaker 1: And when you introduce a guy like tarn Emstead, you
Speaker 1: know that that's going to be a great ambassador for
Speaker 1: this coaching staff to really help set the standard and
Speaker 1: connect that messaging from the coaching staff in the locker room.
Speaker 1: And so again, a phenomenal player but also a phenomenal
Speaker 1: person to come in and help get this Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: team going based on what he's proven in the past
Speaker 1: and just how he's wired in terms of that football
Speaker 1: character and how much he loves it, and how much
Speaker 1: of a leader he is. I get the sense that
Speaker 1: he might have a coaching career after his playing career
Speaker 1: if he wants it. I mean, you watch those O
Speaker 1: line Mastermind videos. Man, he's he's one hell of a
Speaker 1: teacher and he really can explain the way he does
Speaker 1: things in a really positive way. It's fun to watch those.
Speaker 1: And I got a chance to meet him obviously, and
Speaker 1: kind of felt that to being up close and personal
Speaker 1: with him, and you know, you mentioned your favorite, you know,
Speaker 1: move of the offseason or favorite part of the off season.
Speaker 1: It kind of felt like Armstead got maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit buried because the Tyreek Hill trade happened the
Speaker 1: next day. But to me, that's that's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest moves Dolphins have made in quite a while to
Speaker 1: get some some surety at that left tackle position. But
Speaker 1: before or that, they also brought someone into played left
Speaker 1: guard for Dallas. We'll see where he winds up on
Speaker 1: this Dolphins offensive line. But Connor Williams, I know that
Speaker 1: he was, you know, in the draft cycle four years ago,
Speaker 1: so right in your wheelhouse. How does his college profile
Speaker 1: and then where he's kind of growing through four years
Speaker 1: matchup or stack up, I should say for you, Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big fan of Connor Williams coming out, and
Speaker 1: I always kind of thought, you know, he's college left tackle.
Speaker 1: I thought he'd probably be a better guard in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what has come together. And I think
Speaker 1: Miami's kind of the beneficiaries of Dallas wanting to reset
Speaker 1: their salary cap situation a little bit, and so Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is exposed to the open market. The Dolphins pounds
Speaker 1: and they get themselves a really good scheme fit. Right,
Speaker 1: They like they're gonna like it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big shift here with the style of offense that they
Speaker 1: run and in a wide zone rushing attack, and you
Speaker 1: know that lateral mobility and range that a guy like
Speaker 1: Connor Williams can give you is obviously going to be
Speaker 1: important for widening rushing lanes and working laterally and creating
Speaker 1: space in the run game. But when you want to
Speaker 1: get this guy pulling and getting out in space, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something that he's gonna be able to do at
Speaker 1: a higher level because he's so athletic and has that range,
Speaker 1: which all by the way, shows up as a pass blocker.
Speaker 1: And so you kind of go into this offseason and
Speaker 1: everyone's talking, all right, what's Miami gonna do to improve
Speaker 1: this offensive line? And I thought they got two rock
Speaker 1: solid veterans on great contracts and to Ron Armstead and
Speaker 1: Connor Williams to jump start this this offense and um
Speaker 1: allow them to consider different combinations with some of the
Speaker 1: other young talent and set everyone up. Set everyone up
Speaker 1: here to succeed and play their best football. No. I
Speaker 1: love that point about having some balance there with a
Speaker 1: vectoran leadership and younger guys and kind of mixing it
Speaker 1: all together then hopefully get the rights to there at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our first break here. Joe will come back on
Speaker 1: the other side, and we'll get into this draft class
Speaker 1: here on the offensive line. Joe Marino my guest today
Speaker 1: on the Drivetime Podcast, brought to you by Auto Nation,
Speaker 1: Segment number two, the B block as we call it
Speaker 1: here on the Drivetime Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield. I
Speaker 1: am joined today by Joe Marino of the Draft Network
Speaker 1: Draft Dudes podcast. Locked on Bill. He's everywhere and Joe,
Speaker 1: real quick, the book you just authored is it out yet,
Speaker 1: and what is that exactly? It's coming out. It's gonna
Speaker 1: start shipping in August, but it is. It's called Go Bills,
Speaker 1: and it's basically cover to cover the history of the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, where I tell the story of every single
Speaker 1: season and um, you know, go nineteen sixty all the
Speaker 1: way through one and tell the story of each season.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's it's been a really fun project
Speaker 1: and it and it comes out later this year. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to. Man, even though not a Bills fan,
Speaker 1: I love reading my buddies work and it's I just
Speaker 1: saw that and was so happy You've got the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do it. And we talked about it at the
Speaker 1: combine a little bit. It's just a really cool project.
Speaker 1: You got your hands on there. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: the Bills Bills mafia as it was going to be
Speaker 1: thrilled that you were behind that project. So we got
Speaker 1: you on here, Joe talk some offensive line prospects and
Speaker 1: again it's it's a different year for us as last
Speaker 1: as long as I've been in this job, we've always
Speaker 1: had a billion draft picks. Not the case this year.
Speaker 1: But I think Dolphins fans are pretty happy with the
Speaker 1: reason why we don't have those draft picks. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask this as kind of a theme to
Speaker 1: all these interviews I do in the draft run up here.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's your film watching processes, like, Joe, because
Speaker 1: the more I ask people about it, the more fascinating
Speaker 1: I am by it. Because you know, like I know
Speaker 1: you guys, old buddy Ben sol I would like hammered
Speaker 1: like free packages of pepperoni every week or every time
Speaker 1: we sat down and watched film. But what does your
Speaker 1: film watching process look like? Well, it's the first thing
Speaker 1: I do every day, and and I I attack every
Speaker 1: single day, and I start with the most important thing
Speaker 1: that I do, and I think the most important thing
Speaker 1: that I do when it's it's that period of time
Speaker 1: where I'm evaluating players to start with film. And so
Speaker 1: I wake up with a fresh mind, and I give
Speaker 1: myself a cup of hot green tea and we are
Speaker 1: we are at the at the desk here by five am,
Speaker 1: grind and tape to start every single day. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing that I would say
Speaker 1: is I think it's an essential part of my process,
Speaker 1: and I prioritize the most important thing that I do
Speaker 1: every day. First, and so when it is evaluation season
Speaker 1: number one, I start with it, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: attacked with a fresh mind, and I just try to,
Speaker 1: you know, clear my mind, get rid of any preconceived notions.
Speaker 1: I don't try to create prospects based on what I've
Speaker 1: heard or what I've read, or what other people are
Speaker 1: saying about these players. I empty. I start with an
Speaker 1: empty slate and get to know the players and let
Speaker 1: them speak to me. I think that's what's most important,
Speaker 1: is don't create a prospect. What does the tape tell you?
Speaker 1: Take notes turning into a report. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: a general overview of my process. And then obviously I
Speaker 1: try to go through and you know, there's certain matchups
Speaker 1: that I want to see, right if I look at
Speaker 1: the the games that they played and say, oh, they
Speaker 1: went up against this player, this style of of offense
Speaker 1: or defense, and from there I set the watch list.
Speaker 1: But um, it's it's about matchups, a clear mind and
Speaker 1: starting my day with it. That's really that's really informative
Speaker 1: and really interesting. And I always blown away by the
Speaker 1: early morning folks because I'm not one of those I'm
Speaker 1: more likely to watch at two AM than I am
Speaker 1: at you know, five am, and it's it's not waking
Speaker 1: up at two am. It's still being awake at two am,
Speaker 1: so especially you know, you know, you and I think
Speaker 1: we both have daughters in a similar age range too,
Speaker 1: so being newer fathers as well, kind of he's into that.
Speaker 1: So very fascinating, Joe, But um, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I saw this question on a The Bootleg podcast with
Speaker 1: Brett Coleman and E. J. Snyder, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: put it to you because I thought it was a
Speaker 1: great way to get into this kind of where the
Speaker 1: Dolphins kick off their draft at pick one oh two
Speaker 1: for the fans that wanted a you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: a Trevor Penning or a Tyler lender Bomb or Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: one of those first round type of prospects, who's a
Speaker 1: guy at either the inside or the outside, you know,
Speaker 1: interior or tackle positions. Do you think could kind of
Speaker 1: fit some of the molds of those types of top
Speaker 1: level players, Like if you can't get turor Pinning, you
Speaker 1: can possibly get this guy in round number three. Do
Speaker 1: you have those kind of satellite later round picks that
Speaker 1: you'd like in that range of the Miami Dolphins. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of football players that I like
Speaker 1: in that range. Um, I'd like to start with Cold
Speaker 1: Strange A he played left guard at Chattanooga, played some
Speaker 1: center at the Senior Bowl. He is so fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And when you think you know Miami Dolphins wide zone
Speaker 1: lateral mobility, guys that and win in space, I really
Speaker 1: like how Cold Strange fits that. And you know, you
Speaker 1: wonder about the level of competition with a guy like
Speaker 1: Cole Strange. Watching play against Kentucky, he was absolutely a
Speaker 1: dominant football player against SEC competition. And I love his temperament,
Speaker 1: the way he gets after people, the way he takes
Speaker 1: advantage of angles, uh, the way he gets into space
Speaker 1: and polls. I think he's a really rock solid run blocker.
Speaker 1: And um, you know he's got good overall hand usage
Speaker 1: as a a pass blocker. And so when you're talking
Speaker 1: like mid round developmental type player, maybe an eventual starter,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a name that definitely pops for me,
Speaker 1: that profiles is more of an interior offensive lineman on
Speaker 1: the on the tackle side of things. Let me introduce
Speaker 1: the name here to you. Matt while let's go out
Speaker 1: of North Dakota. He was a Senior Bowl guy, and
Speaker 1: I was excited to see him at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: because I watched this tape at North Dakota at North
Speaker 1: Dakota State North Dakota, and you know, he's obviously dominating
Speaker 1: and you're wondering, Okay, well what does this guy look
Speaker 1: like against the best competition? And I thought he answered
Speaker 1: that question at the Senior Bowl. And he's got some
Speaker 1: nasty to him, He's got some good length, and he's
Speaker 1: got that lateral mobility and overall range that I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the Miami Dolphins are gonna cove it. And
Speaker 1: so as a guy that you know a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that come from the small schools with length, lateral mobility,
Speaker 1: good block temperament, those are a couple of my favorite
Speaker 1: you know you're talking right about that pick one range,
Speaker 1: give or take a few on either side, and and
Speaker 1: those are my favorite. That's probably my favorite into your
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and my favorite offensive tackle that I think
Speaker 1: that Dolphins could target in that range. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: cleared up the Matt will Let's ki what well, let's
Speaker 1: go college, because in my senior Bowl Prep podcast. I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard of him yet, and I hadn't started working
Speaker 1: him up yet, and I think I said that, oh Man,
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, the offense or offensive tackled you produces
Speaker 1: another one here, But you know that's not correct obviously,
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you cleared that up. And then also
Speaker 1: on the interior, Cole Strange I've had now Jordan Reed,
Speaker 1: you know him. You guys are good buddies. Daniel, Jeremiah
Speaker 1: and someone else I forgot who it was, all mentioned
Speaker 1: Cole Strange as well in that range, So that might
Speaker 1: be the Strange range right there at round pick one
Speaker 1: or so. So now moving further past that, and again,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins don't have any of their original draft picks.
Speaker 1: They have four picks this year, and none of them
Speaker 1: were inherently there's they were traded picks that came over
Speaker 1: in deals. And you know, every year, Joe, it seems
Speaker 1: like one guy in that fifth or sixth round range,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, one of those guys pops. It
Speaker 1: seems like last year Trey Smith was a guy that fell,
Speaker 1: and that was because of a checkered medical history, and
Speaker 1: he came into the league and instantly became one of
Speaker 1: the top guards. Who is that guy for you this year?
Speaker 1: And it could be a guard or tackle. I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna give you a player that I think is
Speaker 1: gonna that we're thinking about as UH top first second
Speaker 1: round pick that I think falls. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a player I think that is appropriately in that next
Speaker 1: range that I think could come in and at a
Speaker 1: minimum be a very very versatile backup. But a guy
Speaker 1: that you just the more you watch, you say, well,
Speaker 1: why can't he start? And that's Zack tom out of
Speaker 1: Wake Forest UH thirty four game starter for the Demon Deacons.
Speaker 1: He play aid, left, tackle, and center, but I think
Speaker 1: he can play any spot, any spot, any of the
Speaker 1: five spots. I think he can give it to you
Speaker 1: because he's such a controlled operator, plays with consistent leverage,
Speaker 1: very balanced, and he's I wouldn't even I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: him robotic, but every rep looks the same because he's
Speaker 1: so consistent with his technique. He frames blocks, he gets
Speaker 1: his hands fit, he leverages his hips, and he keeps
Speaker 1: his feet engage, whether it's pass block or run block.
Speaker 1: And to me, you know, you think about some of
Speaker 1: these guys that you feel I can play any spot,
Speaker 1: and that almost keeps him off the field because they're
Speaker 1: so valuable as a reserve. But like I said, you
Speaker 1: just keep watching him play and you're like, wow, this
Speaker 1: guy is so consistent that maybe he can force the
Speaker 1: issue and get himself on the field as a starter.
Speaker 1: And so like, I think he can certainly add a
Speaker 1: little bit more functional strength, um, you know, spend a
Speaker 1: little bit more time in the weight room, those types
Speaker 1: of things. But the technical refinement, the consistency in his
Speaker 1: aim is something that I really appreciate, and obviously the versatility.
Speaker 1: So he's one of my favorite kind of next year
Speaker 1: players that deserve some more hype that I think as
Speaker 1: a really bright future ahead of them. Two first names,
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of guy that will go down
Speaker 1: And you're like, Zack Tom that's just such a generic name.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you put him in a Madden game
Speaker 1: or something and just threw up a creative name on there.
Speaker 1: But I love the inside there. Now would you consider
Speaker 1: I know you said all five spots, but is he
Speaker 1: inside first, outside first? And if whatever he is, what
Speaker 1: would be your opposite? Like, so that's a horrible question.
Speaker 1: If you call him a guard, what would be your
Speaker 1: tackle in that same range or vice versa. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think with with zach Um, he probably from a
Speaker 1: body type in length perspective, profiles better on the interior.
Speaker 1: And so while he you know, certainly he's on my
Speaker 1: radar because of his work as a left tackle at
Speaker 1: Lake Forest, I think from a body type perspective, we
Speaker 1: should think of him as an interior player, which opens
Speaker 1: up the opportunity for us to talk about a true
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And the player want to introduce here is
Speaker 1: dar A. Rosenthal from Kentucky and Travis I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: Dariy Rosenthal might be might be the best athlete among
Speaker 1: any of the offensive lineman in this class. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a special mover. He can, he's explosive into contact,
Speaker 1: and he's got tremendous range, And he was at l
Speaker 1: s U and then he transferred to Kentucky for his
Speaker 1: his final season, and he's got some really high level tape.
Speaker 1: He's got some nasty to him the way that he
Speaker 1: likes to create displacement in the run game, and he's
Speaker 1: very very active in past protection in terms of how
Speaker 1: aggressive he is to get his hands on people. Now
Speaker 1: he's got to clean up some technique stuff. Can be
Speaker 1: a little bit frenetic at times, but I think the
Speaker 1: overall physical gifts that exist with a Dari Rosenthal gives
Speaker 1: him a chance to be one of those Day three
Speaker 1: steals that goes to a team and everybody wonders why
Speaker 1: he fell because he's an impact starter in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So he's gotta work out the technique, get a little
Speaker 1: bit more control of his frame. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of developmental appeal when it comes to Dari Rosenthal from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Kentucky there. That's that's a team that I've
Speaker 1: been kind of keeping my eye on because of their
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator last year. Liam coming back with the Rams now,
Speaker 1: so that's a good a good idea as far as
Speaker 1: playing in kind of more of a wide zone stretch
Speaker 1: type of scheme that they had their Kentucky And you
Speaker 1: mentioned playing at LSU obviously tells you about what his
Speaker 1: his pre college prospects were as well. So Joe, I
Speaker 1: got a couple more questions for you. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: our last break come back on the other side. Here
Speaker 1: on Drivetime with Travis Wingfield, Brought to you by Auto Nation,
Speaker 1: Joe Marino, my guest put a boat on this offensive
Speaker 1: line preview of the NFL Draft. All right back here
Speaker 1: on the Drivetime podcast, your host Travis Wingfield. We are
Speaker 1: presented by Auto Nation. I'm joined today by Joe Marino
Speaker 1: of the Draft Network Draft Dudes podcast and Locked on
Speaker 1: Bills and Joe, you know you've kind of checked these
Speaker 1: boxes a little bit. I'm gonna keep kind of pressing
Speaker 1: the the issue here because you know, I keep going
Speaker 1: back to this. I I asked Daniel Jeremiah his uh
Speaker 1: pre Combine annual conference call. That's a mouthful to get out.
Speaker 1: I asked him about what type of offensive lineman to
Speaker 1: look for for the Miami Dolphins, and he he told
Speaker 1: me two things that I just keep going back to.
Speaker 1: You Guys that are smart and guys that can move.
Speaker 1: And you've really kind of checked those boxes in your
Speaker 1: evaluations here as far as the names you've given us.
Speaker 1: But I just want to see if you can unload
Speaker 1: the notebook and give us a couple more guys beyond
Speaker 1: that top one or so that you'd like to fit
Speaker 1: that criteria. Yeah, the next thing that I would bring
Speaker 1: up is oh bit easy out of TCU. He was
Speaker 1: at Memphis to start his career and then transferred over
Speaker 1: to TCU, and I he's a player that excites me
Speaker 1: because he's got physical traits and when we're talking about
Speaker 1: you know, kind of later round guys, I always want
Speaker 1: to bet on guys that, hey, look, maybe their tapes
Speaker 1: a little uneven, but they give me physical tools, unteachable
Speaker 1: things that I can work with and maybe iron out
Speaker 1: some of those things that are more teachable. And so
Speaker 1: with O Benna Easy, you know, he started a bunch
Speaker 1: of games, over thirty games for his career um and
Speaker 1: you see the length, you see the lateral mobility, you
Speaker 1: see the desire to get his hand fits and and
Speaker 1: play with some physicality. But I just think it comes
Speaker 1: back to, you know, he's not really been developed, and
Speaker 1: you know at Memphis and even at TCU, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of technique coaching. You can kind of tell
Speaker 1: where you know, rolling your hips into contact and taking
Speaker 1: vertical sets in the passing game, like those things are
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of new to him. But the physical
Speaker 1: package there is very very intriguing to me. And I
Speaker 1: think you'd be a very clean projection to a scheme
Speaker 1: like we anticipate the Miami Dolphins running. So I like
Speaker 1: the the pedigree here in a number of ways. You know,
Speaker 1: he's uh originally a Nigerian native, and so you know,
Speaker 1: football is a little bit new to him. He didn't
Speaker 1: play varsity football until the senior season of high school,
Speaker 1: and so you know, there's a lot of untapped potential
Speaker 1: there and that gets me excited when we're talking late
Speaker 1: round prospects. I love the international expansion of the NFL
Speaker 1: is is kind of seen the last couple of years
Speaker 1: and getting more guys that are are starting football at
Speaker 1: that point of their lives and coming over to the
Speaker 1: States and playing at a high level quickly. It's it's
Speaker 1: really cool to see. And Joe, we talked a lot about,
Speaker 1: you know, day three, day two, Day three prospects, and
Speaker 1: that's why we love you man, having you on here
Speaker 1: do this. It's it's rare to be able to get
Speaker 1: this type of in depth coverage on guys, you know,
Speaker 1: picks one hundred and beyond. But I wouldn't send you
Speaker 1: out of here without talking about possibly some top of
Speaker 1: the line prospects. We'll go ahead and finish up here.
Speaker 1: If there was one player for a fit for the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins on the offensive line. That would be worth
Speaker 1: using capital to go back up into the top one
Speaker 1: hundred and going after attacking Who would that guy be? Alright,
Speaker 1: So we're talking about going back up in the top
Speaker 1: one hundred, not talking about getting towards like the top
Speaker 1: well in the draft, we're not gonna spend future ones
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But if in mid second round
Speaker 1: or something like that, like that Rain, how Galaxy brain
Speaker 1: can we get a player that I love? I just
Speaker 1: feel like there's a level of consistency that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get from this guy. It's Dylan Parham from Memphis. He's
Speaker 1: a rock solid football player. Played right guard for Memphis,
Speaker 1: and he's funny. He played linebacker and tight end in
Speaker 1: high school. He put. He was also a basketball player
Speaker 1: and a track He was in the track and field,
Speaker 1: but he didn't you know, when you think football player,
Speaker 1: track and field lineman, you're thinking, you know, shot put discuss. Nope,
Speaker 1: this guy was a sprinter and a jumper, all right.
Speaker 1: So he's got some athleticism behind him and so he
Speaker 1: goes to Memphis to play tight end and then he
Speaker 1: moved to the offensive line in the spring of teen
Speaker 1: and winds up being a four year starter at Memphis
Speaker 1: and and two first two seasons at left guard, third
Speaker 1: season at right tackle, and then one was at right guard.
Speaker 1: And um he played some center at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: And so you know, this is the guy that you
Speaker 1: really feel I can play a number of spots for you.
Speaker 1: I like him as a guard. Uh, he gets after
Speaker 1: people in the run game, nimble feet, it's got pretty
Speaker 1: good length for his you know, for for an interior player. UM,
Speaker 1: always square, good temperament. He really you know, he's a
Speaker 1: physical nature on him. He'll create displacement of the run game.
Speaker 1: But he's not stiff. You know, this isn't like a
Speaker 1: drive blocker that can't move. He can get lateral as well.
Speaker 1: And he's got good range. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: he's a rock solid starter that someone's gonna take probably
Speaker 1: you know, in that fifty seventy five range and winds
Speaker 1: up being a really outstanding pro. And so I think
Speaker 1: my favorite if if I was on any podcast talking
Speaker 1: about any team and they said, you know, who's that
Speaker 1: mid day two player that you would you know, target
Speaker 1: as a starter that just has rock solid traits and
Speaker 1: some some upward mobility to get better. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give the answer of Dylan Parham every single time
Speaker 1: he's a study. Is that your guy? He's my guy.
Speaker 1: I love it, Joe, you said it all, my friend.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that you guys gonna be in Vegas
Speaker 1: for the Draft this year. We'll be in Vegas the
Speaker 1: entire week, Sunday to Sunday. It's gonna be fun. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've got lots going on before the Draft starts, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, never stops. Man. We're looking forward
Speaker 1: to May. But obviously I love this time of year. Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully you can enjoy a nice vacation beginning of my
Speaker 1: tie somewhere. Come down here, come to sun Florida, and
Speaker 1: spend some time in the hot, hot heat. Done. Here
Speaker 1: he is Joe Marino, Draft Dudes, Locked on bills the
Speaker 1: Draft Network. Joe, keep killing it, man. I love seeing
Speaker 1: you do big things, and you guys at the Draft
Speaker 1: Network doing big things. We'll talk you down the line here,
Speaker 1: sound good, man, All right, thanks so much for having me, Travis,
Speaker 1: And there he goes Joe Marino from the Draft Network.
Speaker 1: Great stuff. They're giving you guys some information on this
Speaker 1: offensive line class, and so much in depth detail about
Speaker 1: potential Day two, Day three prospects that could be on
Speaker 1: the board and have an impact on whoever whatever team
Speaker 1: I should say they go to in NFL Draft. All right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my time today. Up next, we'll have E. J.
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