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Speaker 1: Before we jump in, we must warn you this episode

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Speaker 1: contains explicit content, such as sexual abuse that may be

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Speaker 1: disturbing to some people. Listener discretion is advised. Also, if

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Speaker 1: this is the first time you're listening to Sacred Scandal,

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Speaker 1: everything will make a lot more sense if you start

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Speaker 1: with episode one. In the fall of nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: l Uz el Mundo or Ledm for short, was going

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Speaker 1: through a rough time. The servant of God, the Apostle

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Speaker 1: Samuel had just been publicly accused by multiple members of

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Speaker 1: having abused them when they were miners. That was hard

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Speaker 1: to hear for Rehino Leone, a true believer and the

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Speaker 1: head guard of the founder's sacred mausoleum. Shortly after the

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Speaker 1: news came out about the abuse, Hino was standing by

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Speaker 1: the high altar the Grand Temple in her Mosa Provincia

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Speaker 1: his daughter LUs Maria, wearing dresses and lace veils over

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Speaker 1: He was particularly hard on one of them, a young

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Speaker 1: woman who claimed her own sister had delivered her to

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Speaker 1: the Apostle when she was a teenhater, Rahino swore the

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Speaker 1: woman was a liar. Lusmaria joined him in his denunciations,

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Speaker 1: and the whole family cried and moaned as they asked

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Speaker 1: the apostle and the flock to reject the sinner's claims.

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Speaker 1: She must be crazy, they said, and surely possessed by

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Speaker 1: the devil. Raghino Leon ended the speech swearing that his

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Speaker 1: hand would not waver if he had to put a

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Speaker 1: bullet in her head. The congregation exploded, chanting, Glory be

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Speaker 1: to God, Glory to the Apostle. That woman's name was

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Speaker 1: karim Leon, Rahinu's very own daughter. In this episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to dive into the life of karame Leon to

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Speaker 1: better understand what LLDM has in store for those that

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Speaker 1: dare to push against the church's airtight defenses, because for many,

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Speaker 1: the stocking, harassment, public ridicule, and even financial hardships that

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Speaker 1: come with leaving LLDM are only the beginning of a

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Speaker 1: living nightmare. I'm ROBERTA. Garza and you're listening to Sacred

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Speaker 1: Scandal season two. This is episode nine, the Life and

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Speaker 1: Death of karame Leon. Karame Leon was a beautiful, shy

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Speaker 1: girl with olive green eyes. And modest demeanor. Born into

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Speaker 1: a promising and devout ELLDM family. Judy Hernandez, an ex

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Speaker 1: LEDM member who grew up in her Masa Provincia right

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Speaker 1: next to Karam's childhood home, describes her as a beautiful

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Speaker 1: Linda Carter lookalike, you know, the original Wonder.

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Speaker 2: Woman smo Esta actress person Linda.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, there was very little wonder in Karam's life, nor

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Speaker 1: did she have any superpowers.

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Speaker 2: Papa Mui Mui Restrictor.

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Speaker 1: Judita and Karam's brother were schoolmates, which gave her a

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Speaker 1: closer glimpse at the strict and sometimes violent dynamic Rahino

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Speaker 1: Leone imposed on his family. There's little doubt this upbringing

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Speaker 1: had to do with Karam's serious demeanor. Her father's overprotecting

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Speaker 1: nature was a perfect fit for his security job at LLDM.

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Speaker 1: He was tasked with gardening around stone at the garden

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Speaker 1: of Getsemane in the very heart of Hermosa Provincia. His

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Speaker 1: allegiance to the Apostle was absolute and unwavering, as it

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Speaker 1: of a nice in the case of Zealots. He carried

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Speaker 2: No one is Mama Reveca, like.

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Speaker 1: Judith, describes Rahino as a dry man and Rebeka, the

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Speaker 1: matriarch of the Leon family, as the embodiment of that

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Speaker 1: Jaupinist phrase Latin women are well acquainted with one that

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Speaker 1: can be translated as you look prettier when you're quiet.

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Speaker 1: In honor of their last name, the front of their

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Speaker 1: allions that kept watch over the home. Unfortunately for Karim,

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Speaker 1: One day, in the early morning, Judit recalls seeing Rebecca

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Speaker 3: Una madruga fair.

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Speaker 1: To cover Rahino's back and his honorable repetitation, the church

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Speaker 2: Jocoraca death pass this hair on Era Porkel, Diablo, Jian Davaron,

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Speaker 2: Dan Doola cas maris a.

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Speaker 1: Made up story that might seem ridiculous and hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, many years after Judith witnessed this altercation,

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Speaker 3: When I told my mom and dad, they didn't believe me,

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Speaker 1: It all started in September of nineteen eighty five, when

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Speaker 3: At that time, there was a woman named Karimen Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez told Karim to ride her horse right under Samuel's

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Speaker 3: This person was in church of grooming us. At first

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Speaker 1: Shy, soft spoken Karam could not be prouder. Her sister

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Speaker 1: Samuel was God's chosen one and she was one of

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Speaker 3: We were given alcoholic beverages and we were dancing with

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Speaker 3: He was carrying her breast and kissing us on the mouth,

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Speaker 3: offense to be rebuked and treated an equal because he

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Speaker 3: Was misaging some well's feet, he turned to my sister

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Speaker 3: and said, lose Maria. Can I borrow your sister so

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Speaker 3: Yes, brother. It was then when he ordered me to

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Speaker 3: They took us to Casa Heerico and into one of

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Speaker 3: Samuel came in and grabbed in a row. He took

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Speaker 1: The apostle liked group sex, and he also liked to bite, scratch, pinch,

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Speaker 3: He hurt us. He would mark our bodies for me.

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Speaker 3: It was very traumatic. I had to be in therapy

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Speaker 1: Gardam began to plead over and over with her mother

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Speaker 1: Moises notice how somewhere around nineteen eighty six Karam stopped

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Speaker 1: The transformation was particularly worrisome to Moyses. A couple of

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Speaker 5: In La kamas Intomas Klesta kyove Karim.

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Speaker 1: Karen was desperate. Her whole life had been limited to

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Speaker 1: And that reaction from her family is exactly what Kuten feared.

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Speaker 1: But Karim did not get the relief she desperately did

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Speaker 1: A decade went by and Karm tried as hard as

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Speaker 5: Gianolin Portalasu's posso. He said, Eva the Paranda Reaposo Soufria.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was very scared, simply from seeing how my

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Speaker 4: Be part of this chosen group, you give up your autonomy.

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Speaker 7: And certainly they had quite a bit of evidence, and

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Speaker 1: Sonic Union. For more podcasts, go to the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: or whatever you listen to your favorite podcasts