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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes and Filtered Episode thirty one. Today we have

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Speaker 1: a very very special guest. But before that, I am

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Speaker 1: joined by my coast and good friend Isaac. Isaac, what's

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Speaker 1: up man, I'm very excited for this episode. Long time

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Speaker 2: Then, yeah, I'm doing swell.

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Speaker 3: I know you got to speak with him, you know,

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Speaker 3: earlier in the season, a couple of maybe six months ago,

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Speaker 3: but you know, a lot of things has changed since then.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to get into it. Today.

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Speaker 1: We are joined not only by Eli Susman, who will

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Speaker 1: be along with us, but we are here with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Marlins senior director of International scouting and Operations, Agent Lorenzo.

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Speaker 1: If you guys looked at the YouTube video earlier in

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Speaker 1: the year on Fish Stripes, we spoke to Adrian about

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Speaker 1: minor league prospects, a little bit about the season going

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Speaker 1: so far. But we're here to talk international prospects minor

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Speaker 1: leagues and take a deeper dive into maybe the world

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Speaker 1: that maybe not the casual fan is aware of. So Agent,

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Speaker 1: we're very excited to have you and welcome the Fish

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Speaker 2: Awesome and thank you guys for having me. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to be here. I feel like I listened to you

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Speaker 2: guys and watch this all the time from a different

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Speaker 2: perspective obviously than the one you guys have. But it's

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Speaker 2: interesting to be sitting in this seat right now and

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Speaker 2: like I know you guys, and I know the format

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Speaker 2: of the show. So cudas a great intro section. By

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Speaker 2: the way, that was I got me fired up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have something quick for you off the bed, Adriane,

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Speaker 4: could you just explain to our audience exactly what you

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Speaker 4: do with the Marlins. You've been with the organization a while,

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Speaker 4: but just within the past year, this new title that

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Speaker 4: you have. We're just curious about what are the types

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Speaker 4: of projects you were most involved with and what do

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Speaker 4: the day to day look like for somebody running international operations.

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Speaker 2: So I got to be clear that the role that

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Speaker 2: don't know war, multiple hats, but primarily helping run the

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Speaker 2: the prior four years before I arrived to the Marlins

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. That's not to say that I didn't

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Speaker 2: when you ask me what my role is, you know,

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Speaker 2: Kevin mentioned the title, but I guess any scouting, any

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Speaker 2: and Canada falls within my purview and are our department's purview.

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Speaker 2: So the majority of my efforts are focused in finding

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Speaker 2: Bahamas are not Latin America. You know, there are other

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Speaker 2: in the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Columbia, Cursyle, Panama, the Bahamas, Aruba, Nicaragua, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: So the majority, the vast majority of what happens or

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Speaker 1: You know, twenty twenty two seasons come to an end.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you what were your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: I'd say we're in a really strong position. I'd say

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you actually led me to my next question, Adrian,

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Speaker 3: because you know, all the casual fans, they sort of

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Speaker 2: What are some names to you that set out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I gotta be careful with how I answer that

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Speaker 2: But he's a guy that shouldn't get lost in this

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Speaker 3: Get well, No, I guess my next question would be

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Speaker 2: It depends, right, Like I think every player is different.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, let me pull up the

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Speaker 2: They sleep there, their in and out every day. They

432
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Speaker 2: don't they leave a little bit on the weekends, but

433
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: for the most part, it's just there. So there was

434
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: a real intention to elevate the the comfort level and

435
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: the and just the facilities to reflect that, like you know,

436
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: that time allotment that they got to spend there and

437
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 2: like look, at the end of the day, we're in

438
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Speaker 2: the player development business, Like this is we having a

439
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: top flight Dominican and Latin American facility. I think I

440
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: don't have to explain to you guys the importance of

441
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 2: in order for you to have a healthy system for

442
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: your system, to have a healthy Latin American pipeline of players,

443
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: and in order like to do that, two things have

444
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: to come together, which is scouting and player development and

445
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: are For example, the academy just for the scouting component

446
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: plays a huge dividend in terms of like now so

447
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: we host weekly tryouts at our academy that are now

448
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 2: operating on a better field, with a better track man unit,

449
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 2: with a better conference room to do post tryout analy season,

450
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: with better like stations and ways to set up the cameras.

451
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: Like the ways in which this improves our operation on

452
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: both the scouting and player development side. Like I can

453
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: sit here and talk to you guys about for a while,

454
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: but it makes a huge difference. And then it's just

455
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: also the right thing to do at the end of

456
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Speaker 2: the day, Like at the end of the day, it's

457
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: just the right thing to try to have the highest

458
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: quality as a baseball organization to try to have the

459
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Speaker 2: highest quality facilities for your players to develop in period.

460
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Speaker 2: So I think that that this Academy was built with

461
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Speaker 2: that like right at the forefront here, and it's a

462
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's kind of like a statement as

463
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Speaker 2: to where we feel Latin American baseball, like the role

464
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: it plays within our organization, and it's our desire to

465
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: have it play a very prominent one and ideally be

466
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Speaker 2: at the top of Latin American scouting and player development.

467
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 2: That's the goal. And in order to do that, like

468
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: the facility that you operate and plays a huge role.

469
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: So I think you know the group does here previously

470
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: in the group now has a deep appreciation of that,

471
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: and so that's why I feel you see the investment

472
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Speaker 2: in the Academy to the degree that that you see

473
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Speaker 2: it in So, I don't know, I think we put

474
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Speaker 2: our money where our mouths are in terms of believing

475
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Speaker 2: in Latin America here.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. From the pictures, it looks beautiful,

477
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: looks amazing, and definitely yeah, even.

478
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: More impressive in person. You guys got to take a.

479
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Trip, definitely, definitely at some point I would we have

480
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Speaker 1: to go down there, Adrian, I want to ask you.

481
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Speaker 1: You kind of mentioned a couple of these, the international

482
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Speaker 1: signings you had in twenty twenty two, What were your

483
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: thoughts on the class as a whole. You know, there's

484
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: names that definitely showed up and uh made it made

485
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: a name for themselves, at least in our eyes. You know,

486
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on the class in general?

487
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I thought it was a very

488
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: strong class generally speaking, with some individual standout performers that

489
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: put themselves that kind of thrust in themselves into prospect

490
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: status and a very short amount of time that said,

491
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: my goals are too. For example, I wanted to win.

492
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: I wanted both clubs to be playing meaningful games in

493
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: the DSL postseason, you know, to kind of indicate the

494
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: caliber of total players that I think that that we have,

495
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: and for various reasons, we you know, we didn't we

496
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: didn't do that. Now, player development is not all about

497
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: wins and losses in the in you know, in the season.

498
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: But you're still competitive and you still want to be better,

499
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: Like if you have good players, you should win games,

500
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So it's it's there's not a

501
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: direct correlation between wins and development here necessarily, but I

502
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: don't know. I like to judge our product and our

503
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: like the processes that we do against, like real time

504
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: stats and standings and things like that. So I guess

505
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: if I'm nippicking, I would have wanted to finish in

506
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: a better position. And I think some of those in

507
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: player development, if they were listening to this, they would

508
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: costion more patients on that front. But at the same time,

509
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: like I think, if you're winning those games, it means

510
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: you're lot you're doing a lot of things right that

511
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: you know translates to development at the later levels. You're

512
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: throwing strikes, you're not kicking the ball around, you're putting

513
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: the ball in play, things like that. So you know,

514
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: from that standpoint, I'd be a little harsher on the assessment.

515
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: But if if the goal of an international scouting department

516
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: is to provide impact players and trade assets to an organization,

517
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: I feel pretty strong about about what that year looked

518
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: like for us and what it will look like this

519
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 2: year coming up. Right, So, like where where Marco Vargus

520
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: and Parados and uh Julio Mendez and Pagero where their

521
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: value goes from here, you know, which I think is

522
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: a positive trend line. Uh So, feeling feeling really good

523
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: about the class, but also feeling like and maybe this

524
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: is every scouting director, but feeling like the next one

525
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: is like even stronger because I feel like it's representative

526
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: of our processes, just a full year developed, a full

527
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: year underway, the machine working at a higher clip with

528
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: more efficiency. So feel really strongly about this upcoming class

529
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: here in a way that's that's maybe a little more

530
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: position player heavy then I'd say the twenty one class

531
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: was was pitcher heavy.

532
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: You know.

533
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: Now we're not in a position where you need to

534
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: fill a whole other club and whole the rosters. Some

535
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: of those players that were signed from last year's group

536
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: will be DSL repeaters, so they'll play a DSL for

537
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 2: a second time or as many times as it takes.

538
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're our team. Prato was a three

539
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: time DSL and VSL you know play so like these

540
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: these timelines aren't aren't always linear, so some of those

541
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: guys will populate those rosters. So the class will probably

542
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: be maybe a little larger than half the previous class,

543
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: and there's some minor league like player reduction overall numbers

544
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: that are keeping classes a little more modest, but feel

545
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: really strongly about the class coming up here as well.

546
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last thing I wanted to ask Elisa

547
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: i end was the international draft. I know this has

548
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: been something that's been advocated for. What are your thoughts

549
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: on the international draft? Why should it happen, and how

550
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: will it benefit you know, major League Baseball.

551
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: This is a tricky one to answer because I feel

552
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: the answer to the larger philosophical question outside of the

553
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: Miami Marlins perspective, is that a draft is an essential

554
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: next step in terms of just solidifying and unifying the

555
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: process in a way that's sustainable moving forward, because you know,

556
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: right now it's a status quo agreement, which fine, but

557
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: I think that there are some well established complications and

558
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: inconsistencies in the current system that I think, you know,

559
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: people have legitimate gripes with. So that's one end, like philosophically,

560
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: like right like for the game, I think that's a

561
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: natural next step, and I think it will happen, despite

562
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: the fact that it didn't happen in this CBA. But

563
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: I also see the flip side of it, which is

564
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: a more Marlin's biased opinion, and that, like we, I

565
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: I enjoy the way that we operate in the current

566
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: system as it is, and that every team is given

567
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: their kind of the discretion to operate at thet you know,

568
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: with whichever philosophical approach that they want to play or acquisition. So,

569
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: for example, I think, you know, in international scouting, you

570
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: hear a lot of a lot about early commitments and

571
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: players like you know, coming off the board early at

572
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: ages that kind of make you cringe a little bit.

573
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like you as an individual

574
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: team do not have to take that approach, Like we've

575
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: signed a bevy of at nineteen twenty year olds for

576
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: bonuses that are not you know, significant, and have tried

577
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: to take an approach to evaluate players a little closer

578
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: to their signing date, you know, closer to maturity, which

579
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: saying that a sixteen or seventeen year old is mature

580
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: is problematic in and of itself, but I think we

581
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: try to kind of close that gap as much as possible.

582
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I guess personally, just speaking for myself, I don't think them,

583
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't think me putting a like a grade or

584
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: a special like a specific evaluation on a thirteen year

585
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: old is going to yield, Like, I'm not gonna have

586
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: the same kind of conviction that in that assessment, you know,

587
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: projecting him as a nineteen twenty year old as I

588
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: would a sixteen seventeen year old. So I like to

589
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: stay closer to that signing age. As a group, I

590
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: don't know. I think we take a little bit of

591
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: a of a different approach in that space, and I

592
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: think that sometimes we've been we've been rewarded for it,

593
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: and other times, like you find yourself on the outside

594
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: looking in in terms of like just follow the logic

595
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: of it, right, Like if you have a pool of players,

596
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: the guy where your eyes go first are the short

597
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: stops and the ca in the center fielders you kind

598
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: of look up the middle of the field, So those

599
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: are the guys who kind of come off the board first.

600
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: So if you decide to scout and develop at a

601
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: later age, you're kind of it's looking more like a

602
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: corner infield outfields like heavier group, which is fine, it's fine.

603
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: We just have to we have to go in like

604
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: eyes open. And that's not to say that the right

605
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: kinds of shortstops or the right kinds of catchers in

606
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: center fielders aren't going to also be available, you know,

607
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: so I think you'll see that we we just evaluate

608
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: players a little like later in the timeline as a

609
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: just like a philosophical scouting philosophy kind of approach. But

610
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: there's pros and cons to that as well.

611
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: No, for my kind of question, just to sort of

612
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: transition to the upper levels of the miners unfortunate in

613
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: recent years, you know, sort of these higher rated guys,

614
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: you know, Blade, Verdict, Leywin and Gavard, they've just struggled

615
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: to adjust right away to major league pitching. And granted

616
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: MB stars sometimes do it, it's not easy, but what

617
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: are you guys doing is sort of maybe help the

618
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: transition to the big leagues with you know, your higher

619
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: rated guys is not being able to hit right away.

620
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: I think hitting in the big league is the most

621
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: difficult thing, and like in professional sports, you know, And

622
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there are golfers that would disagree and

623
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: other people from other sports that would, you know, and

624
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: that those would be valid disagreements, But I just think

625
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: that there's a first of all, there's a particularly larger gap,

626
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: in my opinion, from Triple A baseball it's a major

627
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: league baseball Like it's the largest one that I've seen

628
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: in my ten year career working in baseball. Like just

629
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: in terms of the gap from like it just means

630
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: that major league baseball is really good right now, That's

631
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to get at, you know, and that

632
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: like triple A success isn't like a direct indicator of

633
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: major league success, and so like hitting is hard, right,

634
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's what I was talking about, Like

635
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: with with evaluating pitching earlier, like what's coming across the plate,

636
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: you have a pretty good feel for. We have all

637
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: sorts of of ways to evaluate and assess that hitting

638
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: is so much more nuanced and complex. There's plate discipline,

639
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: there's timing, there's bat speed, there's power there you know, mechanics,

640
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: like mechanical adjustments, like all these things are coming together

641
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: at the same time. And there's the like the big

642
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: leagues isn't a great place to develop as a young hitter.

643
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: Like you're just in kind of survival mode every night.

644
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: So if you're if you're a young hitter that's being

645
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by fastballs at any particular time, you're gonna be

646
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna be like fed a steady diet

647
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: of fastballs in that part of the zone where you

648
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: do the worst with them, and so like that's where

649
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: I think, like there's a huge gap in the preparation

650
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: on the pitching side and on the other side of like, okay,

651
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: this is exactly where like zones that you need to

652
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: go with this guy, like this is I mean, if

653
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: you guys would be in those advanced meetings, you'd see

654
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: the detail to which these things go in terms of

655
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: how to prepare. And you know, if on the other

656
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: side you have a good catcher like pitcher catcher combo

657
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: with good preparation, you know you're going to like you're

658
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: gonna be able to exploit young hitters weaknesses at a

659
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: higher clip in the major leagues in my opinion. Now,

660
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: pitchers still have to execute their pitchers and hitters on

661
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: their end can't mess you know, two oh fastballs and

662
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: advantage counts in their heat in their heat zone and

663
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: follo it straight back and you know, now you know

664
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: you got yourself into a good hitters count. You didn't

665
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: do anything with it. Like there's there's a like at

666
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the hitters got to step

667
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: up and and and perform. But I'd say that, like,

668
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, I wouldn't quite characterize it as these

669
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: guys didn't come up and perform. I think there's there's

670
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: things that you could kind of select and kind of

671
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: look at from their first year performances that give you

672
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: glimpses of things that could project positively in the future.

673
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: But I think it's a lot of pressure to put

674
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: on young guys to be the ones carrying your your offense.

675
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 2: Granted that's when you're losing games at a rate at

676
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: which we lost games last year. Like, all sorts of

677
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: pressures kind of get put on, and when certain guys aren't,

678
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, aren't the ones to perform and carry you,

679
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: you kind of look to these younger guys to be

680
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: the ones to kind of fill those gaps. And in

681
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: that moment, it's not always they're not always in the

682
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: like in the right timeline in their development to be

683
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: the guy to be leaned on in impact spots. They're

684
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: still good players, so they're gonna flash, you know, like

685
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: Jesu Sanchez has throughout his time in the big leagues.

686
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna flash moments where like you're like, okay, this

687
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: is real. This is the guy that just took over

688
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: this game in a Major League game versus elite level

689
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: pitching in this division, which another thing I can get

690
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: into the strength of the division, which I think is obvious.

691
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I need to quite like cover that.

692
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: But it's not like a it's not a throwaway item.

693
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: It's a real thing. We compete in the in like

694
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: the toughest division of baseball in my opinion, and we

695
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: see elite pitching on a nightly basis. So it's like,

696
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: that's not like a throwaway item when you're talking about

697
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 2: evaluating our hitters now. At the same time, like from

698
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: a Spans standpoint or even just from a competitive standpoint,

699
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: you want any guy one through nine year lineup to

700
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: go out and put a competitive at bat together. So like,

701
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: and those guys know that. I think if you asked

702
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: each and every single one of those guys how they

703
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: felt about their initial foray into into major League baseball,

704
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: they'd all kind of be a little bit pissed off

705
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: and just kind of like with a up on their shoulder,

706
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: wanting to prove that they're better than the numbers that

707
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: they put out. To a man, I can probably guarantee that,

708
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: but I'd also I'd also highlight quite a few positive developments,

709
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: whether they happen in Triple A or whether they happened

710
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: at the big leagues that I think, I don't want

711
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: it to get washed as like all our guys, like

712
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: our guys get up there and do not perform at

713
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: the big league level, you know, Like I think Brian

714
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: de la Cruz is a good example this year, especially

715
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: in the second half of the year, of a guy

716
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: who can kind of go through a little bit of

717
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: that rookie year struggle, take some time in Triple A

718
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: and bounce back, prove that he didn't belong in Triple A,

719
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: and bounce right back and be at a positive trend line.

720
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: So and day la Cruz into one the right center

721
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: games in a round the ball park to run over. Wow,

722
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: these timelines aren't always linear, and the list is long

723
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: of guys that haven't had a good first year and

724
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: come back and dominate the dominate the league. Absolute here's

725
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: to hoping that that all of those guys are in

726
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 2: that bucket, But I will that each of those guys

727
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: has like really positive indicators of either a track record

728
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: of really strong minor league performance or strong amateur performance,

729
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: or really strong swing decisions or ability to get on base.

730
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: Like I guess I'm just trying to highlight like the

731
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: difficulties that young players face in their first year in

732
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: the big leagues. And that's not to let them off

733
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: the hook, but also, like, these things don't always work

734
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: in like an I remember sitting in those meetings in

735
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, you know where Sandy wasn't

736
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: the first guy you talk about when you talk about

737
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: your rotation and rolling it out these things, and before

738
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: you know it, he's went in. They young, you know.

739
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: So I've also seen it go the other way where

740
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: you have, you know, higher expectations than you expect, and

741
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: it kind of goes in the other direction. So I

742
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: don't know, I see a positive I see positive improvements

743
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: as we move into twenty twenty three, and I think

744
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: that there have been concerted efforts and proactive efforts made

745
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: to like improve that space generally speaking. So yeah, I

746
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: hope that answer your question.

747
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: Yes, cool, Adrian. We talk to other people like you

748
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: who ascend in a major league organization the way you have.

749
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: Most of them they reach that spot because they are

750
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: all baseball, all the time, all year round, every moment

751
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: that they're alive to reach that. And although I'm sure

752
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: you put in a tremendous amount of work, you're you

753
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: seem to be a more well rounded individual. Just to

754
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: use the own words on your website, designs by Adrian

755
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: Lorenzo dot com, you are an entrepreneurial, abstract artist and designer.

756
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: And I've found for the people watching this just to

757
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: see an example of the kind of work that you do,

758
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: there are many examples that you post on your site

759
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 4: and on Instagram of the designs that you make. In

760
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: for the people watching this, you're sitting in a room

761
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: with a wallpaper that I believe you designed yourself as well.

762
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: It's an actual mural.

763
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: It's an actual mural. How do you do it? How

764
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 4: do you do how do you balance having this very

765
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: what would be time intensive hobby on side in addition

766
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: to focusing on baseball the way you have. Because it

767
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like this is common in baseball for people

768
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: to balance both the sport itself and their other passions.

769
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Speaker 2: I feel a very natural urge, it's like involuntary to

770
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: want to create something on certain days that's in the

771
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: form of a painting on a canvas. Other days that's

772
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: in the form of, you know, I want to build

773
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: something with wood, and other days it's I want to

774
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: like sketch something out in a journal, or I want to,

775
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, design a sneaker that I feel inspired to

776
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: wear or want somebody else to wear. And I think,

777
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: I think that next frontier, I'd really like to design,

778
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: not design clothing necessarily, but have my designs mesh with

779
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: you know, fashion in clothing, it's already I guess sneakers is,

780
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, already one foot in that space. But I

781
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: think I'd like to develop that a little further too.

782
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: Where did you even start with that question? So I guess, like,

783
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a shame that that baseball has a

784
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: mat or like baseball executives have this reputation of having

785
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: to be working all the time, and I've gone through

786
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: those periods, you know, I've gone through those times. I

787
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: guess this. I don't arrive at this without like going

788
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: through a lot of life experience that kind of forces

789
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: you to, I don't know, explore things outside of baseball

790
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: to make sure that your entire identity isn't wrapped up

791
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: into this because if you allow it, it does take

792
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 2: that on, you know, it does like it can It'll

793
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: take all that you can give it and then some

794
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: especially like in an organization like the Marlins where you know,

795
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: we're we're just a smaller overall operation, so everything is

796
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: a lot more hands on deck, and it can just

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: like it can swallow up time and effort. And I

798
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: mean that in the best way, you know, Like especially

799
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: at first when I first got here with the Marlins,

800
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: it was it was very much that it was a

801
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven gig. That was it was all

802
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: hands on deck and I and I love that it

803
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: allowed me to like be in room that I might

804
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, in another organization, might have taken me three

805
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: to four years, four or five years to be in

806
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: those rooms and be in those discussions, But the Marlins

807
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: were kind of a good opportunity to you know, go

808
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: and learn and develop. And so I went through those

809
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: years of kind of doing it that way, and that's

810
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: that has its benefits as well. But I think as

811
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: I as I focus on the Latin American space more

812
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: and decided to I don't know specializes the wrong word,

813
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: but the international space is where I feel I have

814
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: the strongest putting that's just where the majority of my experiences,

815
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: and as a result of focusing on that more specifically,

816
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: it kind of allowed the art, which is a post

817
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: COVID kind of development. I've always sketched and doodled, but

818
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: it was only like during COVID and after COVID that

819
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: it it really kind of took on a life of

820
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: its own and expanded from there. So I don't know,

821
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: it was more like this was gonna the art thing

822
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: was gonna happen anyway. It just kind of it eats

823
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: into it doesn't eat into baseball because the time I

824
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: spent in baseball specifically like talking about in international scouting

825
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: and players, and I think if you ask anybody in

826
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: my staff and the frequency with which we have phone

827
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: calls and Texas change and group calls, like you know,

828
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: the amount of time spent on the baseball stuff has

829
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: not decreased it anyway. It's just kind of prioritizing things

830
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: outside of baseball in such a way that allows for

831
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: something like this to have a chance to continue to flourish,

832
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: which is which is the intention. And the signs so

833
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: far have been positive, so that's good. But it is tricky, right,

834
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Like a lot of times you're just having to decide, like,

835
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, well, can I do this art show next week?

836
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: Or am I going to be in the Dominican Republic?

837
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: You know? And like you obviously I'm going to be

838
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: in the Dominican Republic if it comes to that, and

839
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: so like trying to like those are the trickier decisions

840
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: then you know, the pretty average me stand up till

841
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: two three in the morning make an art like that,

842
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: So sleep, I guess is the trade off. But but

843
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: it's one that I'm willing to make in the in

844
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: the current moment. So yeah, I appreciate you pointing it out.

845
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: Though, I think this is the right spot to end it. Adrian,

846
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Any last words, you know, to

847
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: the fans that may be watching this, or any of

848
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: last things you may want to mention.

849
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: Hm, I guess the first thing that stands out is like,

850
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: thank you to you guys, right like this is this

851
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: is really cool to have people this engaged and this

852
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: involved and this interested in the goings on and the

853
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: happenings of a major league organization. I can comfortably say

854
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: that I grew up in a different era, you know,

855
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: in terms of like this kind of content and this

856
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: kind of stuff wasn't It was available but in different

857
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: ways and much more rudimentary ways. And so now to

858
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: have it available in this way, and like a five

859
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: person podcast that has video that's going to like be

860
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: on YouTube, that kind of thing, it's it's cool to

861
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: see and I'm glad that there are people to create

862
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: that content. And so I just want you to know that,

863
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: at least from somebody in my position, it's not lost

864
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: on us. And we watch it like why read like

865
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: a large quantity of what you guys put out there,

866
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: whether you know it or not. And I'm sure you've

867
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: been given that indication, but it don't always agree. I

868
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 2: will be, but I guess that's the nature of where

869
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: we stand on the dynamic, right, Like, but I do

870
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: want you to know, like, as frustrated as I get,

871
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: sometimes you do make me reassess and think positions differently.

872
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm not getting influenced by anything I read on Twitter necessarily,

873
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: but they do. You know. It's like a little like

874
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: guy on your shoulder talking to you, you know, when

875
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: one you guys put something that like yeah, you know,

876
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: but then I go into like, well you guys don't

877
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: understand X, Y or Z that led up to you know,

878
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: this happening, or the reasons A, B or C reasons

879
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: why this couldn't be. And but anyway, it takes a

880
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: lot of discipline to not engage back on Twitter. YEA

881
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: a silent a silent observer. But what I can say

882
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: with genuine honesty is, like, from your guy's point of view,

883
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good people that I work

884
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: with and that are like in positions in baseball operation, scouting,

885
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 2: player development, pr you name it, that have like such

886
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: good intentions and work their butts off to like make

887
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: this place better. And so I guess what I would

888
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: say is, when when making or when thinking sweeping things

889
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: about how things are going, like, there's a lot of

890
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: really good people that are like working their tails off

891
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: to make sure that those things all improve. I like

892
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: to think I'm in that group. I know a lot

893
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: of people in our organization are in that group as well.

894
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: And you know, at least for me personally, like there's

895
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: a there's a real hometown pride component. You know, it's

896
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: not a fanboy thing necessarily at least on my end,

897
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: but like I grew out, I was born in highly

898
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: a hospital, you know, Like I grew up here watching

899
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: this team from like the the inception. You know, my

900
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: parents were at the first game, like, and there are

901
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: other people like that in our organization. So I guess

902
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: what I would want to get conveyed is that like

903
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: there's a high degree of care place into the improvement

904
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: of this organization. I can, you know, speaking from my

905
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: point of view, and what I'm kind of in control

906
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: of is is improving the Latin Americans space to a

907
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: degree that allows Kim and our group to make decisions

908
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: that impact or major league roster. So that's my like

909
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: everyday north Star and that's what I spend my time on.

910
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: But I think that there are a lot of like

911
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: well intentioned and hard working people here that really want,

912
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, to see ninety seven and two thousand and

913
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: three happen again in recent contemporary time. So not to

914
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: get you know, like preachy or anything like that, but

915
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: I just I guess that's the one thing I hope

916
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: that as you guys do what you do, you kind

917
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: of take that into account as you're putting out the

918
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: content that I that I put out, just like as

919
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm reading your guys, content, like whether or not you

920
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: know it's bleeding into the logic or assessment, it does

921
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: at like a sneaky amount, like a sneaky clip. So

922
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: like to think that you guys aren't making a difference

923
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: or like factoring into the thoughts of of at least

924
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: one major league executive in myself like it. So, so

925
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: what I would say is, like, guys, keep putting stuff

926
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: out there and keep encouraging people to do more of it,

927
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: because I think engagement overall, even if it's a tell

928
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: us that we suck, you know, at any given moment,

929
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: I think that's it's helpful. You know, it's like it's

930
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: and I'd rather the engagement than not right, I'd rather

931
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: the engagement than apathy, you know. So like and in

932
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: terms of like, there are a lot of really smart,

933
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: good people in our organization that would be happy to

934
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: do this format right here as well, and that I

935
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: think you should hear from other views, other perspectives. So

936
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: what I would say is, don't be afraid to reach

937
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: out because a lot of those guys can really like

938
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: they're open books. Like there's a lot of really experienced scouts,

939
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: So like Roman Okamara is just to give one example.

940
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys are familiar with who

941
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: roman O Kumaras is, but roman O Kamares can be

942
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: legitimately listed as the signing scout or signing supervisor for

943
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: from Bervaldez and Oli Parades, Christian Javier, Brian Delacruz, and

944
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: then that list is longer than the one I just mentioned.

945
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: I think he's like fifteen sixteen big leaguers deep, and

946
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: that guy's a wealth of Latin American scouting knowledge that

947
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: I couldn't even begin to cover, you know. So like

948
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: there are other people that I would encourage you guys

949
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: to kind of poke and that would be be happy

950
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: to engage him this way, just like I am. This

951
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: is this is fun. I could talk baseball with you

952
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: guys all night. So yeah, just stay engaged, man, Stay engaged.

953
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'd say.

954
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: Love it, Isaac Eli. Any last words before wrapped us up? No,

955
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, this was amazing. This was a great time.

956
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: Agent.

957
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Once again, thank you. We hope to have you back

958
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: on soon. From Isaac Eli Adrian myself. We'll see you

959
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: guys on the next one. Beat out and go fish.

960
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 5: We gotta end it off right

961
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Speaker 2: The most the most com