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Speaker 1: A five year old little boy's body found in a

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Speaker 1: tote bag in a hotel room. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and series N eleven. How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: A little boy's body found in a tote bag in

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Speaker 1: kf d M Fox four. We're here at the Best

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Speaker 1: Western in Jasper, and at around six o'clock this evening,

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Speaker 1: we're told that a crime stopper's tip was called into

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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office and at that point that Hall was

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Speaker 1: transferred to the police department. Chief Gerald Hall says he

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Speaker 1: according to him, the call said something to the effect

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Speaker 1: that a missing boy was inside and a topebag. What

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Speaker 1: we understand, one of his officers went inside and immediately

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Speaker 1: all his officers would not go inside. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: protect this scene and not contaminate the scene. And basically

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Speaker 1: it has been sealed off from even Jasper officers. An

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Speaker 1: officer is standing guard. But other than that, this is

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Speaker 1: the most activity we've seen in the last hour, and

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Speaker 1: that is someone taking photos outside the motel room. And

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Speaker 1: from what we'd understand, the Texas Rangers just arrived, and

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Speaker 1: authorities to come and actually begin this investigation. I guarantee

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Speaker 1: that was not a photag or a journalist taking his pictures.

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Speaker 1: That was a crime scene technician and trying to get

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Speaker 1: a visual police get a tip, an anonymous tip that

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Speaker 1: up and start backing up. Why what did they see?

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Speaker 1: What was in that room that made them all back up?

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Speaker 1: Holding the journalists and the reporters at bay. I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine again, for those of you just joining us,

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Speaker 1: the body of a little boy found in a tote

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Speaker 1: Don't you For those of you that have children, or

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Speaker 1: hey would do this to a little boy? With me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to try and sift through the

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Speaker 1: clues that have been left behind. Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: Cameron County, Texas. Five years in the DA's Office of

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Speaker 1: Family Violence Union. Doctor Allan Blockkey, PhD. Clinical Psychologists out

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Speaker 1: of Bringing It, Birmingham. Blockkey specializes in criminal cases and

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Speaker 1: child forensic cases. Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology,

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Speaker 1: Former medical examiner in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. Tom Ruskin, private

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Speaker 1: investigator joining us today. President of CMP Protective and an

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Speaker 1: Investigative Group. Former New York City Police detective investigator and

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Speaker 1: you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Andy com

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Speaker 1: director of Victim Services Advocacy Crime Stoppers in Houston. And

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Speaker 1: Serena Fazon first out to her four time Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: winning TV anchor and reporter. You can find a writer

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Record with Serena Fazon. Serena, this is

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Speaker 1: just so bizarre to me, A very narrow question to you.

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Speaker 1: To start it off, let me understand and anonymous tip

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Speaker 1: An anonymous tip but Art, but was it really anonymous? Understanding,

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Speaker 1: Big question? Right? And we see things on TV all

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Speaker 1: in a toadbag. But how did the whole thing get started?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Steve Campion, ABC thirteen, Houston.

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Speaker 1: This little boy's grandmother is pleading for help, pleading for

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know what's happened to baby Samuel, but she's saying,

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Speaker 1: this case. Straight out to doctor Allen Blocky, PhD, Clinical

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Speaker 1: Psychologists joining us out of Birmingham, Doctor Blockkey. When a

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Speaker 1: tell me about Jasper, Texas well, Jasser Texas. In fact,

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Speaker 1: But why don't I even look up details about Jasper.

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Speaker 1: victim Services at Crime Stoffers of Houston, tell me about Jasper. Jasper,

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Speaker 1: Sam got sick. They thought he had COVID. They didn't

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Speaker 1: want him be around the grandfather. So Teresa said, I'll

427
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: go to my ex boyfriend's house. He's a nice guy,

428
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: and so anyhow, I always left him till one twenty

429
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: in the morning at my house with the father. The

430
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: next morning we started the search and I did an

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00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: interview and Teresa was down there and I told Teresa,

432
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I said, Teresa, you need to do it. You need

433
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: to tell the whole world what happened, and people will

434
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: be looked at. Maybe we'll get Sam back safe, which

435
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't the case. She didn't want to

436
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: do it, didn't want to do it. So Teresa Balboa

437
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: did not want to speak publicly. No, that's finally I

438
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: literally I forced her into it. And then when she

439
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: got done doing it, I went over to her and

440
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I said, Teresa, every word you just said to the world,

441
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: there's nothing got to lie climb stories with Nancy Grace

442
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: straight out to Andy Kahn, Andy Kahan, how many days

443
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: passed before this child was reported missing? You're looking at

444
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: twenty nine days where nobody did anything about a five

445
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: year old boy that was last seen April thirtieth, and

446
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: then May twenty seventh, you decide, oh, wait, nobody's seen him.

447
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Where is he? I mean, oh my god. We were

448
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: just dumbfounded that nobody would say, Okay, he hadn't been

449
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: in school, he's not living here, he's not living here.

450
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: How could a father wait that long not to know

451
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: where his son is? How could how could everybody, the mother, everybody?

452
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: It was so convoluted what happened. And then when I

453
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: spoke with Tim, you know, Tim had called me and

454
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: just kind of queued me in on what was going on.

455
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: And like Tim said, Tim, from the beginning that Teresa

456
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Balboa was lying out of her face. Jim, how did

457
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: you know immediately that she was lying? I mean, it

458
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: was obvious. We knew where Sarah was at at that time.

459
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: We knew that she was lying. There would have any

460
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: police officer there was, or anything, or CPS, there was nothing.

461
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: So again I tricked her into doing that interview. And

462
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: when she got done doing it, I said to her,

463
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I said, every word you just told the entire world

464
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: is a damn alive. What did she say? Well, I

465
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't let her say anything. I told her. I said,

466
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: two years ago today I was in Arkansas bringing back

467
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: the body. A little Blia Davis saying, if you think

468
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I want to be here today, you're crazy as hell.

469
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: You know exactly what happened, and you need to talk

470
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: to God right now. You and him have a lot

471
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: to talk about. And I said, we're getting this old day,

472
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: did you understand? And I'm the ellen er And she

473
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: just looked at me with them cold eyes and said, yes, sir.

474
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: When you say looked at you with cold eyes, what

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00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? I mean there was no emotion.

476
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: There's no tears, there was no nothing. Okay, right there,

477
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment because I want to go

478
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: to Jason Campo, chief prosecutor, joining us out of the

479
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office there in Cameron County. Have you ever

480
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: looked across at a defendant and they looked like like

481
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: the eyes of like a frog or a snake or

482
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: something cold blood? There's just nothing there. There's no absolutely

483
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: and there you can tell because there's also a physical emotion,

484
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: like from the body. It's not just in the eyes.

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00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Jason, there's I will never

486
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: forget the first time I looked at a guy like that,

487
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: it gave me the chills. There was no feeling, no emotion, nothing,

488
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: And that's what Tim Miller from Equasarch is saying. Right now,

489
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut sixteen. This is Shelley

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00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: Childers ABC thirteen. Court records being made public today have

491
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: filled in the timeline of five year old Samuel Olson's

492
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: disappearance and death, his father telling investigators the little boy

493
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: had been staying with his girlfriend, Teresa Balboa, at this

494
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Webster area apartment since April thirtieth, the last day he

495
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: was seen in school. On May tenth, Balboa's roommate says

496
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: she called him saying the boy was dead in their apartment.

497
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: The roommate left work and found the boy laying in

498
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: a bed covered in bruises. They put him in a

499
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: bathtub for two days. Today, this apartment in near Webster

500
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: now hasn't notice to vacate. On me thirteenth, duct tape

501
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: and a storage toat were purchased by the roommate. He

502
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: told investigators he helped Balboa wrap the boy's body in

503
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: a plastic sheet, placed the child in the toat, then

504
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: stored it at this storage facility in Webster. On me

505
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, Samuel was finally reported missing, Baboa making up

506
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: a story that he was kidnapped from her mother's home

507
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: in southwest Houston. And there you have it too, doctor

508
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: Alan Blockkey, clinical psychologist joining us out of Birmingham, who

509
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: specializes in criminal forensic cases. Doctor Blockkey, why who would

510
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: put a dead child covered in bruises in the bathtub

511
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: for two days? I have no clue. It makes no sense.

512
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean to buy them time to put them somewhere

513
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: before they put him in a tote bag. Oh, it

514
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. None of this case makes

515
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: any sense to a rational mind. Right back to you,

516
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, we are now learning through police investigation what

517
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: happened to sam Olson, a five year old little boy

518
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: with a wobbledie tooth. What else do you know, Tim Miller? Well,

519
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: you know that father just kept sticking up for Teresa's

520
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: sticking up for Teresa. And then about three thirty that afternoon,

521
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: they were down at the end of the apartment complex

522
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: outside the sense and I've seen that the ex boyfriend

523
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: was outside, so I went down there and again I'm

524
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: talking loud, and said I say to Dalton, I said,

525
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: Dalton again, I have a problem. How in the world

526
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: can you leave your child with somebody in this apartment?

527
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Conflict you've never seen in your life yet, are you there?

528
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: You're cutting out on me. Guys, You're just going to

529
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: have to bear with me, because Tim Miller is already

530
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: out at a scene looking for someone, a missing person

531
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: right now. He's going in and out on But I'll

532
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: follow up with Tom Ruskin, private investigator with CNP Portative,

533
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: an investigative group. I mean, the stories just aren't fitting together.

534
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: And I don't need anybody to give me a cod

535
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: now that I know the little boy was covered in bruises.

536
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, you know what's going to happen. You got

537
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend and the girlfriend Balboa. They're like two

538
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: wit cats in a barrel. They're gonna start blaming blaming

539
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: each other. And that's your role as a detective. That

540
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: happens every single day, as you know, as a formal

541
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: prosecutor of the cops. Will bring them in and start

542
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: to talk to them separately and start unraveling this mariative

543
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: stories that has developed over this period time. It's sort

544
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: of amazing that no one reported this poor little boy

545
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: missing for weeks, But the question is first when did

546
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: he go missing? When do you last see him? And

547
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: then starting to unravel the story, and even as we

548
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: all know, they start blaming each other, and then you

549
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: start narrowing the story down. Serena Fazzon following up on

550
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: what Tom Ruskin is saying. Has the ex boyfriend been charged?

551
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: Where does the case stand right now? And where is

552
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: little Samuel's body? I know right now. I mean, there's

553
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: only one person that's charged, and that's and that's hurt

554
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: And she's not even charged with any She's just charged

555
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: with tampering with eminence. At this point, there's there's so

556
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: many questions. It's still out there. That's going to a

557
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: grand jury. She's going to be charged with murder. And

558
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: that ex boyfriend Do I have Tim? Did he come back?

559
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: Can Tim? Are you there? Ye know? Yeah? Tim? So

560
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: the word is that the boyfriend helped her dispose of

561
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: the body. All right, let me go back to where

562
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: enough when I lost you. But anyhow, we're down there

563
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: close to where the boyfriend lives. And I'm telling Dalton again, Dalton,

564
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: I can't understand you allowing your child to stay in

565
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: this apartment complex. Right over here was somebody you don't

566
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: know and ex boyfriend Ben he's outside, and I says,

567
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and again, this person right here that you're sticking up

568
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: for is one hundred percent responsible. And then Dalton starts

569
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: literally shaking and crying and hits the ground. And then

570
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: he said, well, you don't understand about Sarah. Last year

571
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: she almost ran over me. I said, you're right, she

572
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: almost ran over you. But guess what, your son is

573
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: not almost missing, and you keep sticking up for this

574
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: girl that had everything to do with it. And then

575
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: what happened then is Teresis said that she wanted to

576
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: go in Ben's apartment and change clothes. Well, she did

577
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: go in Ben's apartment. She came out with a change

578
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: of clothes, but I know exactly what the hell happened.

579
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: She went in there and said, Ben Eddie is getting

580
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: hot right now. We gotta make our move. Ben. I

581
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: told them, listen, you got all these fires go past fires.

582
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: So they're on this street. They're pasting out flyers. Teresa says,

583
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: look at the apartments across the street. I see people outside.

584
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them flyers. She went over there, they waited, waited, waited,

585
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: she did not come back. Dalton comes to the command center.

586
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: He's crying his eyes out. Teresa's gone. She's gone. She's gone.

587
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: And I went to Hamaside detectives and I said, listen,

588
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: maybe the best thing happened. Teresa just bailed. And they said, yep,

589
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: she bailed. That's the best thing that happened. Now maybe

590
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: we can make progress. So I think when I pushed

591
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: her so hard at that end, she went in and

592
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: told them we got to get the hell out of here.

593
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, every day you laid on the line, I

594
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us, joining us, or where you

595
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: are right now on the job. I guarantee you they're

596
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: going to be more charges in this case. They're probably

597
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: waiting on an official cause of death, which is hard

598
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: to do with a decomposing body. And that ex boyfriend,

599
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he is not walking away from this.

600
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. For Right now, I'm

601
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: going to find my children and I'm hugging them and

602
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: making sure they're safe from people like Teresa Balboa. Goodbye friend,