WEBVTT - Draft Show: Second Wave Side Effects 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:10.320 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.120 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.959 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:23.800 Dallas Cowboys liked d Lamb Sparklers again No, your host, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:31.000 Kyle Yeomans. Two weeks away, we are closing in on 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.400 the NFL Draft as we are at the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.440 dot Com Draft Show, presented by Miller lite As always 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.919 streaming live coast to coast in around the world from 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.319 the SWBC Mortgage Studios. So glad you're with us here 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.279 over the next hour as we are going to hit 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.479 a slew of topics surrounding the NFL Draft, which is 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.800 just fourteen days away. I'm Kyle Yeomans alongside David Hellman. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.360 Brian brought us in the great Dane Brugler and Brian. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.680 I know we've kind of talked about this off the air, 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.920 but I mean, one of the craziest draft processes or 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.520 processes or whatever it even I don't even know what 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.840 the plural of that word is right now, one of 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.360 the craziest you've ever experienced, and well it continues to 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.760 get crazier as we have multiple Pro Days. We have 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.240 so many different things with the opt outs, We've got 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.640 injuries and players going to Indianapolis to check out the medicals. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.440 Has there been a crazier year than this? And what 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.720 has been the craziest part for you so far in 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:32.160 this draft process? Yeah? You boys nervous yet were getting scared. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.319 We've been ready to be a little bit a little 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:40.080 bit everybody. Everybody's operating under the same challenges. So we 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.840 feel good about that. Yeah, that's that is the good thing. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.960 How and you're right about that, Dane, and I think 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.720 Kyle win and I know Dane and Dave. We all 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.200 have our sources. Kyle, you have your own sources. You know, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.840 as you talk to guys and gals around the league, 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.360 there's so many that you know that there's things that 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.160 they learned last year with all the meetings and things 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.440 like that, and how to conduct the zoom stuff and 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.800 how to visit with players and how to get information. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:05.760 The fact that they were able to get the Pro 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.440 days done, the fact that they were able to get 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.320 at least one hundred and fifty players in for physicals 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.920 last weekend, I think helps a lot of teams. I 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.680 know there's a bunch of anxiety among the teams about 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.880 these medicals and the lack of no combine. But at 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.800 least we've had the Pro days. Some guys are doubling 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.600 up on Pro Days to try and help some of 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.120 these teams. But the fact that they've got one hundred 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.400 and fifty medical s done last weekend, I think at 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.960 least gives these guys and gals a little bit of 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.400 a piece of mind. So, yeah, it is unusual what 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.880 we're dealing with right now, but as we all know, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.560 the National Football League finds ways to adapt, and I 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.160 think everybody's doing the best they can right now with that. Dan, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.600 and you mentioned the Pro days, the doubling up, and 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.240 really the main reason for that is we don't have 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.160 private workouts this year, right you know, we don't have 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.880 teams are at the forty nine ers want to bring 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.440 in justin fields, they can't. They can't bring into the facility, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.360 they can't have a private workout, they can't go to 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.959 Columbus and have, you know, just a one on one 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.080 type of workouts. So they have to have these second 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.280 Pro days so you're able to get all your eyes 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.560 on them again. But anybody's allowed to attend so you know, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.840 it's not just the forty nine ers that we're at. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.280 Justin Fields Pro Day yesterday, Trey Lance is going to 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.440 have his second Pro Day coming up. There will be 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.560 other teams at attendance for that, and it really makes 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:31.280 it interesting just because even though you know you're allowed 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.880 to be there, you can't really talk to the player. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.640 You can just you know, have these little interactions. But 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.560 in the past, you're taking these guys out for dinner, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.880 you know, you're you're spending quality time with them. Can't 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.520 do that. This year, you can't have that. You know 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.000 that the normal process that you have in terms of 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.920 finding out what type of guy are you? What type 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.520 of person are you? Those facility visits. You know, I 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.640 worked on my seven round mock draft the last week 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.640 and we'll talk about that later in the show. But 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.760 part of that is always trying to connect the dots. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.840 You know, who teams bringing in which players for their 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.520 thirty visits, and who's talking to who at Pro days? 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.760 Who took you know, this player out for dinner, all 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.360 these things, and this year we don't have that. It's 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.360 harder to connect dots. For those of us on the 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.880 outside looking in about maybe who the teams are zeroing 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.320 in on, what type of players, what specific positions at 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.279 certain points in the draft. So this process is very different, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.560 has been very different for both the teams and then 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.960 those of us on the outside who are trying to 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.279 figure it out as it was we go along. Yeah, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.080 that's a great point, Dan, And that's that's what I 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.640 keep thinking about, is you know, you're exactly right, like 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.600 you can't bring these guys in, so you know, it 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.960 feels like maybe it's only two, but like to me, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.240 it feels like Justin Fields has had like four pro 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.159 days at this point, or like we've talked, We've talked 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.320 about him do like working out. It feels like half 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.480 a dozen times. And I wonder if part of it 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.080 is like, yeah, you want to get your eyes on 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.320 him and see him. But the other thing too, is 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.560 like it's it's harder for teams to hide their interest 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.600 and kind of put up those smoke screens that they 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.480 love to do. And so you know, in a normal 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.479 year where you can send a few guys up to 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.880 Columbus to talk to him and work with him, you 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.599 can't do that. And I'm sitting here wondering, like you know, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.320 I wonder if teams are sending guys to justin Fields 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.160 pro days just to make it look like they're interested, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.000 you know, like maybe maybe Mac Jones is San Francisco's guy. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.040 But they know that if they don't send a contingent 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.760 to Columbus, they're sending a pretty clear signal of what 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.480 their intentions are, at least from the outsider's perspective. So 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.000 it's almost like like you have to go out of 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.920 your way with the gamesmanship, maybe even more than normal 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.920 this year because you're so limited and it's so much 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.799 harder to be discreet. And you know, everybody I've talked 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.040 to on the scouting side of this just says it's 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.880 a nightmare because of all these limitations, And I don't 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.040 blame them. Yeah, Kyle, there was a time when working 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.320 there at the Star was a huge advantage because those 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.640 they bring those thirty days, the thirty days visit guys 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.960 in and Dave and I'd be sitting there having breakfast 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:09.000 and like, Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him, that's him. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.080 So then you had that idea, you know that it 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.680 was very hard for them to hide who they were 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.040 bringing in on visits and you know it helped you 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.279 that way, Dallas days, things like that, everything kind of 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.159 gave you an idea to Dane's point. You know, the 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.120 thirty visits were always a great indication of what direction 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.200 that this team might go in. And without that, I 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.040 know they're missing that, and I know we're all missing that. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.599 Not being able to have breakfast to lunch with those kids, 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.200 it's so funny, like and you know, like you said, Brian, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.839 like we've got sources, we have ways of getting information, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.480 Like I have a I have a pretty good idea 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.240 of who the cowboys are talking to anyway. But it's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.160 a hell of a lot easier sitting at work and saying, like, Okay, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.800 that guy, that guy's got a Florida Gator's logo on 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.760 his backpacks. Let's go let's check that. Oh oh, that's 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.280 Melvin Gordon. I know, because he's got long hair. Like 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.120 it's really easy when you just get to see these 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.720 guys walking around the facility. So I do miss that. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.600 I promise you. It's really unfortunate that we don't get 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.760 that opportunity to see Dave's eyes light up whenever he 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.400 sees Kyle Pitts walk down the hot Hallway, I think 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.440 that would have been probably my favorite part of the 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.080 draft process so far. But Dame, whenever it comes to 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:31.080 these extra pro days and you're talking about these specific 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.800 players that are getting extra chances in front of these 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.920 different organizations, what's the biggest benefit for the players specifically? 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.040 Because from the teams, I can definitely see the benefit 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.840 you get an extra look at a guy, But from 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.560 a players standpoint, what is their benefit and what are 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.720 they looking to accomplish whenever they do these second pro days, Well, 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.800 the more you can do. And so for a team 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.320 like the forty nine ers, the thing is, we don't know. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.320 Does Kyle Shanahan know who they're taking. We just don't know, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.440 you know. And for all we know, he might have 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.520 his mind made up and he's going to these pro 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.600 days to say, okay, let's just just do diligence. Let's 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.400 let's see if one of these guys can change my mind. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.600 But we just don't know. And so if you're justin fields, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.080 if you're Tray Lance, you know the the tea leaves 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.160 say it's Mac Jones, but you know who knows. If 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.680 you go out there and put together a strong workout, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.040 well maybe I could be the number three pick. You 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.520 just don't know. So you know, some of these guys, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.440 it's about injuries, you know, like uh like at Jabril Cox, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.120 he's having his pro day here coming up here next week. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.800 But really it's about these quarterbacks and if you're able 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.240 to put some quality throws out there. And we have 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.559 to remember too, is a lot of times that these 0:08:40.600 --> 0:09:04.679 pro So I think we lost Dane on the live. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.000 You will get him back here in a couple of seconds. Dane, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.040 are you still there? Can you're back? Okay? Say exactly. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.679 We're just saying turn your mic down again just so 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.679 you know, but turn your mic down and then say 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:19.400 exactly what you were doing a second ago. So, you know, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.080 having that second pro day, having opportunity to show what 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.560 you can do, I mean, it's it's something that with 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.480 John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan being at Mac Jones first 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.720 pro day, missing that pro day for justin Fields, you know, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:33.960 it's a chance to see him in person, and you know, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.640 the chance to ask and request certain throws from these 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.000 quarterbacks is something that you would do at a private 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.680 setting that you don't always get to do it a 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.200 pro day setting. So having a second Pro Day gives 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.679 teams a chance to do that, and so it's something 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.000 that is we just don't know how teams are going 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.880 to digest it because it's different than you know, normal years. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.200 And so again, could Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.120 ers have like an idea of what we I have 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.400 an idea? But is their mind made up? Or are 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.120 they really you know, going back to what uh, you 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.400 know Dave was talking about the gamesmanship, they're really going 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.160 through these pro days with an open mind? Or they 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:16.320 do they know who they're taking at number three? Bryan, Yeah, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.400 I think they know damn good and Will who they're 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.000 going to take. I just think that the problem that 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.880 we I think I think the thing that's interesting is 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.880 that they have an advantage of knowing who the Jets 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.120 are going to take two because of Robert salom being 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.560 on that staff at San Francisco. They know what's going 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.560 to happen ahead of them. They know they know the 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.280 two picks, so they're able to kind of get a 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.600 little bit of a gauge and what's going on. What 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.360 I'm finding very interesting, guys, is there's Krusty's like me 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.800 that don't believe that they're going to take mac Jones. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.640 But then you've got former Shanahan players coming out. Richard 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.360 Sherman yesterday came out yesterday and said, I don't they're 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.839 taking fields, They're not taking mac Jones. So it's funny 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.559 out to see how people are lining up. And I 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.240 Kyle Shanahan is not going to get influenced by what 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.600 Krusty Bryan broad As says or what Richard Sherman says. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.080 But I have an idea that they know the guy 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.240 that they're going to take. I don't think there's any 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.880 smoke screening going on here. I think they have an idea. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.440 You traded up for that pick for a purpose. I 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.920 think they had a player in mind. I think they're 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.720 doing their due diligence just to look at all the workouts. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.040 But yeah, I mean, if you're going to see it, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.760 If if a player is going to have a workout 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.160 one of these quarterbacks, especially unless you're the Saint that's 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.200 what said Los Angeles Rams, then you you're you're you know, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.120 you're probably going to be at all these workouts and stuff, because, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.200 like I say, the Rams have shown that they're not 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.480 going to into these workouts. I refuse to believe mac 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.280 Jones will be a top five pick until Roger Goodell 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.640 reads his name. I just can and hey, yeah I did. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.600 I said the same I said the same thing about 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.079 Daniel Jones and I was blown away. So it's definitely possible. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.360 But I gotta I gotta see it. I gotta see 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.040 it to believe it. It's just whoever has I mean, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.760 where we are right now? Mac Jones is still the favorite, right, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.520 I mean, I think he is. I mean, and I 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.440 don't know. I'm just going I have no idea who 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.080 that number three pick is going to be. I'm just 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.240 going based off of what I hear around the league 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.320 and what other teams expect to happen. And they think 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.760 that mac Jones is the favorite, but they don't know either. Yeah, this, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.280 like I said, Kyle Shanahan's probably the only person that 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.680 and maybe John Lynch that really actually knows who this pick. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.600 There are people in that forty nine ers organization that 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.800 don't know then are still kind of waiting at the 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.720 edge of their seat saying, Okay, you know who's our 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.000 quarterback going to be? So I don't know, I can 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.640 understand the mac Jones pick. I I really can. But 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.160 don't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised that any of 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.120 those three quarterbacks is what I'm getting at. See. One 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.520 of the advantages to being krusty old guy is you 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.760 have old, krusty friends that run these teams. And so 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.000 I was talking to these guys and I point blank 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.480 asked these guys. I said, listen, you really think they're 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.360 taking Mac Jones. And I got the five guys I used, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.640 these seven guys I talked to that you know that 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.440 do these stuff, that wrote these teams. Five or four 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.679 of the five guys said there's no way Mac Jones 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.959 is going to be that pick, No way, and and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.439 and they were saying it with confidence, like and so, yeah, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.320 we're hearing things and now and we're right, Dan, we've 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.719 all got a shot of being wrong here. It very 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.440 well could have been, yeah, we're gonna take Mac Jones. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.760 He was our guy throughout. But man, there's so many 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.679 people that we all know and trust and have been 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.160 a part of this for such a long time that 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.880 are going, no way in hell they're taking Mac Jones. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.200 You do not trade two first round picks to go 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.040 get Mac Jones. You just don't do that. And but 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.679 Kyle Shanahan's different, and I do think he knows who 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.760 he wants to take. There's people, You're right, Dane in 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.360 his organization that you know, I did learn one thing 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.040 about how port know on this this process is for 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:03.400 the forty nine ers, whatever player interviewed the best was 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.880 going to get high consideration. And mean I mean interview 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:13.560 come off as understanding scheme, understanding the job, the responsibilities, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.839 coming off as the best and the brightest. Maybe that 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.240 it wasn't going to be the most talented guy, but 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.040 it was going to be the one that convinced Kyle 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.840 Shanahan and John Lynch that they can handle being a 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.360 professional quarterback NFL quarterback. And the interview was going to 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.040 be a very very important part. And let's be honest, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.160 I think Mac Jones could do that very well. You know, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.480 I think Mac Jones it fields you know, a guy 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.640 that made say the most physically talented no, no, no, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.320 in an interview setting. And you're right, I just made 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.880 you I just made the case for Mac Jones. I 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.040 just made the case for Mac Jones. I just but 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.000 I do know, and I think that there's guys like 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.840 what came out of about fields, about people talking about 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.440 reads and things like that. I'm not buying that stuff 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.960 because I'm talking to people on the other side too 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.000 that have had interaction with Feels and they're like, listen, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.280 this kid is bright, he is smart, he understands reads, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.000 it's it's scheme. There's things that he has to do, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.160 so all this stuff, you know. I mean, I'm one 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.920 of these guys that believe that every one of these 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.880 quarterbacks that gets picked, and I know history will prove 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.120 me wrong, but I believe this is a class where 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.040 every one of these kids will succeed. I really do believe, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.840 and some will be better than others. But I don't 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.600 see there's going to be a huge bus factor in 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.400 this class room. Past we've seen five kids drafted. Two 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.840 of them were busts. I don't see that with this crew. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.880 I think this crew has a chance to be three 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.960 four years and now we'll look back and he'll say 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.920 this was a special crew of quarterbacks that went through this. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.560 And it's been said before that if you're good in 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.640 the interview room, if your decision making on the field 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.720 is top notch, and if your accuracy is there, you're 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.280 going to have a pretty good chance of going high 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:02.720 and all three of those things you can check the 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.720 boxes for mac Jones, so he very well still could 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.520 be the pick. But Brian, whenever it comes to the 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.480 second Pro days and these teams, like Dane said earlier, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.320 are going to have to digest this information and have 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.360 to really kind of figure out how they're going to 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.720 weigh it on their draft boards. Do you think a 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.520 guy like Kyle Shanahan can have his mind change. Maybe 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.600 it was mac Jones all the way up up until 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.800 this point, and then maybe justin fields, seeing him in person, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.800 maybe getting to talk to him a little bit changes 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.920 his mind. Yeah. I think what would change his mind 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.880 is if he could go and watch him throw. And 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.880 there's nothing better than sitting there and physically standing next 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.000 to a player. That's one of the great things I 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.000 looked about the combine is you physically got to stand 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.120 next to guys and you got to see the body types, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.600 and then you got to see him work out. You 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.880 know that that is such a great mental image to 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.440 how especially when you're watching take you know. And Dan 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.320 brought up the point about could the forty nine ers 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.440 request in the fields workout? I think was John Beck 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.800 is Beck is quarterback, go or somebody who's running the 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.240 workout there. So former by you got you can request stuff. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.520 Beck has come out and said, hey, yeah, sure I'll incorporate, 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.639 but we're going to kind of stick to the script 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.200 and do some stuff. You know, if I was Beck 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.560 in the end fields, I would do anything that the 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.480 pro team wanted me to do. I would I would say, okay, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.320 what do you want me to you know, show that 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.280 you show your willingness to make those things happen so 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.320 those teams can get the best evaluation. But where shot, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:37.480 where Kyle Shanahan could change his mind is physically seeing 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.080 that kid up close through the football. Watch the ball 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.800 come out of his hands. Watch how accurate he could be. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.240 You can even hear sometimes if you're standing down the field, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.000 that ball's got some whistle to it. Those are images 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.240 and sounds that like, man, I was standing there when 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.160 that kid, when that ball hit those receivers hands, it 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.600 was a thud. Yeah, it's a you know, those are 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.199 the kind of images and stuff that will help you 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.480 make a decision. But Brian, you've been to a lot 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.800 of Pro days. Have you ever been to one that 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.320 changed your opinion on a player where you know, you 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.000 watched all the tape, you know, you had a foundation 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.840 for your evaluation, but then you went to a pro day, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.440 saw him in person, saw maybe whether it was a 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.840 quarterback or another position. Do you think that is something 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.200 that's because you know, I get it, but I find 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.040 it hard to believe that you're gonna pick a different player, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.080 especially at quarterback, based off of a pro day. And 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.520 I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just I'm 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.679 genuinely interested in you know, if in your experience you 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.280 have ever changed your opinion based on a pro day performance. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.120 Just are you asking of a quarterback or just in general, anybody? Yeah, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.400 just in Jeneral could be a wide receiver that maybe 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:56.280 you saw ze Ozakim I was you remember the player 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.960 for the from the Ramps back in the Arizona. Yeah, 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.200 he dropping for San Diego State. Yeah, San Diego State, 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:08.000 Ozza Keene. Now he went with the Rams. Okay, Jason 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.520 Garrett's brother John does the workout there in San Diego State. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.720 Ozza Kee. I'm seeing him on tape make all kinds 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.640 of plays, and I'm thinking, and I'm standing there watching him. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.479 I watch him run, I watch him run routes, and 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.040 I'm sitting there thinking I had this guy way way 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.720 too low, way too low. And you know, I mean 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.159 he was a smaller guy and stuff like that, but 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.359 he was one of those guys. And I know people 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.199 out there are searching right now for Oz and Kee. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.680 I'm just telling you, I watched that workout and I'm 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.520 sitting there and I'm going, holy jeez, I got this 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.240 kid wrong because because I watched, I watched John Garrett 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.720 put him through that workout, and I'm like, he could 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:50.520 do everything everything as far as a slot receiver, outside receiver, 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.360 the routes, anything, catch the football. When you when I 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.520 saw the movement and the finish and all that, it 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.720 just it completely blew me away. Of like, man, I 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.960 saw stuff on tape, but then you see it live 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.560 right there, You're going, oh, okay, I get it. Now, 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.640 there's more you can do with this guy. So he 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.880 was one of those guys. And again that's way back 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:20.400 in the day, but that was a Pro Day. William McGinnis. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.360 William McGinnis was another one. I remember that like when 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.520 you watched how big he was and watched him move 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.800 around at the Pro Day and then the combine and 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.880 things like that. You're going, oh, I get it now, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.320 I get this. I had him, I had him in 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.639 this level. He needs to be at this level up here. Yeah, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.960 I think pro days can't affect especially you get those 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.720 coaches when they when you get coaches that work these 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.160 kids out and they say, they say, this kid, when 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.320 I worked this kid out, he was at this level. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:51.960 When I worked this other kid out, he was a 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.680