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Speaker 1: over the next hour as we are going to hit
Speaker 1: a slew of topics surrounding the NFL Draft, which is
Speaker 1: just fourteen days away. I'm Kyle Yeomans alongside David Hellman.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us in the great Dane Brugler and Brian.
Speaker 1: I know we've kind of talked about this off the air,
Speaker 1: but I mean, one of the craziest draft processes or
Speaker 1: processes or whatever it even I don't even know what
Speaker 1: the plural of that word is right now, one of
Speaker 1: the craziest you've ever experienced, and well it continues to
Speaker 1: get crazier as we have multiple Pro Days. We have
Speaker 1: so many different things with the opt outs, We've got
Speaker 1: injuries and players going to Indianapolis to check out the medicals.
Speaker 1: Has there been a crazier year than this? And what
Speaker 1: has been the craziest part for you so far in
Speaker 1: this draft process? Yeah? You boys nervous yet were getting scared.
Speaker 1: We've been ready to be a little bit a little
Speaker 1: bit everybody. Everybody's operating under the same challenges. So we
Speaker 1: feel good about that. Yeah, that's that is the good thing.
Speaker 1: How and you're right about that, Dane, and I think
Speaker 1: Kyle win and I know Dane and Dave. We all
Speaker 1: have our sources. Kyle, you have your own sources. You know,
Speaker 1: as you talk to guys and gals around the league,
Speaker 1: there's so many that you know that there's things that
Speaker 1: they learned last year with all the meetings and things
Speaker 1: like that, and how to conduct the zoom stuff and
Speaker 1: how to visit with players and how to get information.
Speaker 1: The fact that they were able to get the Pro
Speaker 1: days done, the fact that they were able to get
Speaker 1: at least one hundred and fifty players in for physicals
Speaker 1: last weekend, I think helps a lot of teams. I
Speaker 1: know there's a bunch of anxiety among the teams about
Speaker 1: these medicals and the lack of no combine. But at
Speaker 1: least we've had the Pro days. Some guys are doubling
Speaker 1: up on Pro Days to try and help some of
Speaker 1: these teams. But the fact that they've got one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty medical s done last weekend, I think at
Speaker 1: least gives these guys and gals a little bit of
Speaker 1: a piece of mind. So, yeah, it is unusual what
Speaker 1: we're dealing with right now, but as we all know,
Speaker 1: the National Football League finds ways to adapt, and I
Speaker 1: think everybody's doing the best they can right now with that. Dan,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the Pro days, the doubling up, and
Speaker 1: really the main reason for that is we don't have
Speaker 1: private workouts this year, right you know, we don't have
Speaker 1: teams are at the forty nine ers want to bring
Speaker 1: in justin fields, they can't. They can't bring into the facility,
Speaker 1: they can't have a private workout, they can't go to
Speaker 1: Columbus and have, you know, just a one on one
Speaker 1: type of workouts. So they have to have these second
Speaker 1: Pro days so you're able to get all your eyes
Speaker 1: on them again. But anybody's allowed to attend so you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just the forty nine ers that we're at.
Speaker 1: Justin Fields Pro Day yesterday, Trey Lance is going to
Speaker 1: have his second Pro Day coming up. There will be
Speaker 1: other teams at attendance for that, and it really makes
Speaker 1: it interesting just because even though you know you're allowed
Speaker 1: to be there, you can't really talk to the player.
Speaker 1: You can just you know, have these little interactions. But
Speaker 1: in the past, you're taking these guys out for dinner,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're spending quality time with them. Can't
Speaker 1: do that. This year, you can't have that. You know
Speaker 1: that the normal process that you have in terms of
Speaker 1: finding out what type of guy are you? What type
Speaker 1: of person are you? Those facility visits. You know, I
Speaker 1: worked on my seven round mock draft the last week
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that later in the show. But
Speaker 1: part of that is always trying to connect the dots.
Speaker 1: You know, who teams bringing in which players for their
Speaker 1: thirty visits, and who's talking to who at Pro days?
Speaker 1: Who took you know, this player out for dinner, all
Speaker 1: these things, and this year we don't have that. It's
Speaker 1: harder to connect dots. For those of us on the
Speaker 1: outside looking in about maybe who the teams are zeroing
Speaker 1: in on, what type of players, what specific positions at
Speaker 1: certain points in the draft. So this process is very different,
Speaker 1: has been very different for both the teams and then
Speaker 1: those of us on the outside who are trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out as it was we go along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point, Dan, And that's that's what I
Speaker 1: keep thinking about, is you know, you're exactly right, like
Speaker 1: you can't bring these guys in, so you know, it
Speaker 1: feels like maybe it's only two, but like to me,
Speaker 1: it feels like Justin Fields has had like four pro
Speaker 1: days at this point, or like we've talked, We've talked
Speaker 1: about him do like working out. It feels like half
Speaker 1: a dozen times. And I wonder if part of it
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, you want to get your eyes on
Speaker 1: him and see him. But the other thing too, is
Speaker 1: like it's it's harder for teams to hide their interest
Speaker 1: and kind of put up those smoke screens that they
Speaker 1: love to do. And so you know, in a normal
Speaker 1: year where you can send a few guys up to
Speaker 1: Columbus to talk to him and work with him, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. And I'm sitting here wondering, like you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder if teams are sending guys to justin Fields
Speaker 1: pro days just to make it look like they're interested,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe maybe Mac Jones is San Francisco's guy.
Speaker 1: But they know that if they don't send a contingent
Speaker 1: to Columbus, they're sending a pretty clear signal of what
Speaker 1: their intentions are, at least from the outsider's perspective. So
Speaker 1: it's almost like like you have to go out of
Speaker 1: your way with the gamesmanship, maybe even more than normal
Speaker 1: this year because you're so limited and it's so much
Speaker 1: harder to be discreet. And you know, everybody I've talked
Speaker 1: to on the scouting side of this just says it's
Speaker 1: a nightmare because of all these limitations, And I don't
Speaker 1: blame them. Yeah, Kyle, there was a time when working
Speaker 1: there at the Star was a huge advantage because those
Speaker 1: they bring those thirty days, the thirty days visit guys
Speaker 1: in and Dave and I'd be sitting there having breakfast
Speaker 1: and like, Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him, that's him.
Speaker 1: So then you had that idea, you know that it
Speaker 1: was very hard for them to hide who they were
Speaker 1: bringing in on visits and you know it helped you
Speaker 1: that way, Dallas days, things like that, everything kind of
Speaker 1: gave you an idea to Dane's point. You know, the
Speaker 1: thirty visits were always a great indication of what direction
Speaker 1: that this team might go in. And without that, I
Speaker 1: know they're missing that, and I know we're all missing that.
Speaker 1: Not being able to have breakfast to lunch with those kids,
Speaker 1: it's so funny, like and you know, like you said, Brian,
Speaker 1: like we've got sources, we have ways of getting information,
Speaker 1: Like I have a I have a pretty good idea
Speaker 1: of who the cowboys are talking to anyway. But it's
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot easier sitting at work and saying, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy's got a Florida Gator's logo on
Speaker 1: his backpacks. Let's go let's check that. Oh oh, that's
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon. I know, because he's got long hair. Like
Speaker 1: it's really easy when you just get to see these
Speaker 1: guys walking around the facility. So I do miss that.
Speaker 1: I promise you. It's really unfortunate that we don't get
Speaker 1: that opportunity to see Dave's eyes light up whenever he
Speaker 1: sees Kyle Pitts walk down the hot Hallway, I think
Speaker 1: that would have been probably my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: draft process so far. But Dame, whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: these extra pro days and you're talking about these specific
Speaker 1: players that are getting extra chances in front of these
Speaker 1: different organizations, what's the biggest benefit for the players specifically?
Speaker 1: Because from the teams, I can definitely see the benefit
Speaker 1: you get an extra look at a guy, But from
Speaker 1: a players standpoint, what is their benefit and what are
Speaker 1: they looking to accomplish whenever they do these second pro days, Well,
Speaker 1: the more you can do. And so for a team
Speaker 1: like the forty nine ers, the thing is, we don't know.
Speaker 1: Does Kyle Shanahan know who they're taking. We just don't know,
Speaker 1: you know. And for all we know, he might have
Speaker 1: his mind made up and he's going to these pro
Speaker 1: days to say, okay, let's just just do diligence. Let's
Speaker 1: let's see if one of these guys can change my mind.
Speaker 1: But we just don't know. And so if you're justin fields,
Speaker 1: if you're Tray Lance, you know the the tea leaves
Speaker 1: say it's Mac Jones, but you know who knows. If
Speaker 1: you go out there and put together a strong workout,
Speaker 1: well maybe I could be the number three pick. You
Speaker 1: just don't know. So you know, some of these guys,
Speaker 1: it's about injuries, you know, like uh like at Jabril Cox,
Speaker 1: he's having his pro day here coming up here next week.
Speaker 1: But really it's about these quarterbacks and if you're able
Speaker 1: to put some quality throws out there. And we have
Speaker 1: to remember too, is a lot of times that these
Speaker 1: pro So I think we lost Dane on the live.
Speaker 1: You will get him back here in a couple of seconds. Dane,
Speaker 1: are you still there? Can you're back? Okay? Say exactly.
Speaker 1: We're just saying turn your mic down again just so
Speaker 1: you know, but turn your mic down and then say
Speaker 1: exactly what you were doing a second ago. So, you know,
Speaker 1: having that second pro day, having opportunity to show what
Speaker 1: you can do, I mean, it's it's something that with
Speaker 1: John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan being at Mac Jones first
Speaker 1: pro day, missing that pro day for justin Fields, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a chance to see him in person, and you know,
Speaker 1: the chance to ask and request certain throws from these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is something that you would do at a private
Speaker 1: setting that you don't always get to do it a
Speaker 1: pro day setting. So having a second Pro Day gives
Speaker 1: teams a chance to do that, and so it's something
Speaker 1: that is we just don't know how teams are going
Speaker 1: to digest it because it's different than you know, normal years.
Speaker 1: And so again, could Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers have like an idea of what we I have
Speaker 1: an idea? But is their mind made up? Or are
Speaker 1: they really you know, going back to what uh, you
Speaker 1: know Dave was talking about the gamesmanship, they're really going
Speaker 1: through these pro days with an open mind? Or they
Speaker 1: do they know who they're taking at number three? Bryan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they know damn good and Will who they're
Speaker 1: going to take. I just think that the problem that
Speaker 1: we I think I think the thing that's interesting is
Speaker 1: that they have an advantage of knowing who the Jets
Speaker 1: are going to take two because of Robert salom being
Speaker 1: on that staff at San Francisco. They know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen ahead of them. They know they know the
Speaker 1: two picks, so they're able to kind of get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a gauge and what's going on. What
Speaker 1: I'm finding very interesting, guys, is there's Krusty's like me
Speaker 1: that don't believe that they're going to take mac Jones.
Speaker 1: But then you've got former Shanahan players coming out. Richard
Speaker 1: Sherman yesterday came out yesterday and said, I don't they're
Speaker 1: taking fields, They're not taking mac Jones. So it's funny
Speaker 1: out to see how people are lining up. And I
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is not going to get influenced by what
Speaker 1: Krusty Bryan broad As says or what Richard Sherman says.
Speaker 1: But I have an idea that they know the guy
Speaker 1: that they're going to take. I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: smoke screening going on here. I think they have an idea.
Speaker 1: You traded up for that pick for a purpose. I
Speaker 1: think they had a player in mind. I think they're
Speaker 1: doing their due diligence just to look at all the workouts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, if you're going to see it,
Speaker 1: If if a player is going to have a workout
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks, especially unless you're the Saint that's
Speaker 1: what said Los Angeles Rams, then you you're you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're probably going to be at all these workouts and stuff, because,
Speaker 1: like I say, the Rams have shown that they're not
Speaker 1: going to into these workouts. I refuse to believe mac
Speaker 1: Jones will be a top five pick until Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: reads his name. I just can and hey, yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I said the same I said the same thing about
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and I was blown away. So it's definitely possible.
Speaker 1: But I gotta I gotta see it. I gotta see
Speaker 1: it to believe it. It's just whoever has I mean,
Speaker 1: where we are right now? Mac Jones is still the favorite, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he is. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just going I have no idea who
Speaker 1: that number three pick is going to be. I'm just
Speaker 1: going based off of what I hear around the league
Speaker 1: and what other teams expect to happen. And they think
Speaker 1: that mac Jones is the favorite, but they don't know either. Yeah, this,
Speaker 1: like I said, Kyle Shanahan's probably the only person that
Speaker 1: and maybe John Lynch that really actually knows who this pick.
Speaker 1: There are people in that forty nine ers organization that
Speaker 1: don't know then are still kind of waiting at the
Speaker 1: edge of their seat saying, Okay, you know who's our
Speaker 1: quarterback going to be? So I don't know, I can
Speaker 1: understand the mac Jones pick. I I really can. But
Speaker 1: don't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised that any of
Speaker 1: those three quarterbacks is what I'm getting at. See. One
Speaker 1: of the advantages to being krusty old guy is you
Speaker 1: have old, krusty friends that run these teams. And so
Speaker 1: I was talking to these guys and I point blank
Speaker 1: asked these guys. I said, listen, you really think they're
Speaker 1: taking Mac Jones. And I got the five guys I used,
Speaker 1: these seven guys I talked to that you know that
Speaker 1: do these stuff, that wrote these teams. Five or four
Speaker 1: of the five guys said there's no way Mac Jones
Speaker 1: is going to be that pick, No way, and and
Speaker 1: and they were saying it with confidence, like and so, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're hearing things and now and we're right, Dan, we've
Speaker 1: all got a shot of being wrong here. It very
Speaker 1: well could have been, yeah, we're gonna take Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: He was our guy throughout. But man, there's so many
Speaker 1: people that we all know and trust and have been
Speaker 1: a part of this for such a long time that
Speaker 1: are going, no way in hell they're taking Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: You do not trade two first round picks to go
Speaker 1: get Mac Jones. You just don't do that. And but
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's different, and I do think he knows who
Speaker 1: he wants to take. There's people, You're right, Dane in
Speaker 1: his organization that you know, I did learn one thing
Speaker 1: about how port know on this this process is for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, whatever player interviewed the best was
Speaker 1: going to get high consideration. And mean I mean interview
Speaker 1: come off as understanding scheme, understanding the job, the responsibilities,
Speaker 1: coming off as the best and the brightest. Maybe that
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be the most talented guy, but
Speaker 1: it was going to be the one that convinced Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan and John Lynch that they can handle being a
Speaker 1: professional quarterback NFL quarterback. And the interview was going to
Speaker 1: be a very very important part. And let's be honest,
Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones could do that very well. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones it fields you know, a guy
Speaker 1: that made say the most physically talented no, no, no,
Speaker 1: in an interview setting. And you're right, I just made
Speaker 1: you I just made the case for Mac Jones. I
Speaker 1: just made the case for Mac Jones. I just but
Speaker 1: I do know, and I think that there's guys like
Speaker 1: what came out of about fields, about people talking about
Speaker 1: reads and things like that. I'm not buying that stuff
Speaker 1: because I'm talking to people on the other side too
Speaker 1: that have had interaction with Feels and they're like, listen,
Speaker 1: this kid is bright, he is smart, he understands reads,
Speaker 1: it's it's scheme. There's things that he has to do,
Speaker 1: so all this stuff, you know. I mean, I'm one
Speaker 1: of these guys that believe that every one of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that gets picked, and I know history will prove
Speaker 1: me wrong, but I believe this is a class where
Speaker 1: every one of these kids will succeed. I really do believe,
Speaker 1: and some will be better than others. But I don't
Speaker 1: see there's going to be a huge bus factor in
Speaker 1: this class room. Past we've seen five kids drafted. Two
Speaker 1: of them were busts. I don't see that with this crew.
Speaker 1: I think this crew has a chance to be three
Speaker 1: four years and now we'll look back and he'll say
Speaker 1: this was a special crew of quarterbacks that went through this.
Speaker 1: And it's been said before that if you're good in
Speaker 1: the interview room, if your decision making on the field
Speaker 1: is top notch, and if your accuracy is there, you're
Speaker 1: going to have a pretty good chance of going high
Speaker 1: and all three of those things you can check the
Speaker 1: boxes for mac Jones, so he very well still could
Speaker 1: be the pick. But Brian, whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: second Pro days and these teams, like Dane said earlier,
Speaker 1: are going to have to digest this information and have
Speaker 1: to really kind of figure out how they're going to
Speaker 1: weigh it on their draft boards. Do you think a
Speaker 1: guy like Kyle Shanahan can have his mind change. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was mac Jones all the way up up until
Speaker 1: this point, and then maybe justin fields, seeing him in person,
Speaker 1: maybe getting to talk to him a little bit changes
Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah. I think what would change his mind
Speaker 1: is if he could go and watch him throw. And
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than sitting there and physically standing next
Speaker 1: to a player. That's one of the great things I
Speaker 1: looked about the combine is you physically got to stand
Speaker 1: next to guys and you got to see the body types,
Speaker 1: and then you got to see him work out. You
Speaker 1: know that that is such a great mental image to
Speaker 1: how especially when you're watching take you know. And Dan
Speaker 1: brought up the point about could the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: request in the fields workout? I think was John Beck
Speaker 1: is Beck is quarterback, go or somebody who's running the
Speaker 1: workout there. So former by you got you can request stuff.
Speaker 1: Beck has come out and said, hey, yeah, sure I'll incorporate,
Speaker 1: but we're going to kind of stick to the script
Speaker 1: and do some stuff. You know, if I was Beck
Speaker 1: in the end fields, I would do anything that the
Speaker 1: pro team wanted me to do. I would I would say, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to you know, show that
Speaker 1: you show your willingness to make those things happen so
Speaker 1: those teams can get the best evaluation. But where shot,
Speaker 1: where Kyle Shanahan could change his mind is physically seeing
Speaker 1: that kid up close through the football. Watch the ball
Speaker 1: come out of his hands. Watch how accurate he could be.
Speaker 1: You can even hear sometimes if you're standing down the field,
Speaker 1: that ball's got some whistle to it. Those are images
Speaker 1: and sounds that like, man, I was standing there when
Speaker 1: that kid, when that ball hit those receivers hands, it
Speaker 1: was a thud. Yeah, it's a you know, those are
Speaker 1: the kind of images and stuff that will help you
Speaker 1: make a decision. But Brian, you've been to a lot
Speaker 1: of Pro days. Have you ever been to one that
Speaker 1: changed your opinion on a player where you know, you
Speaker 1: watched all the tape, you know, you had a foundation
Speaker 1: for your evaluation, but then you went to a pro day,
Speaker 1: saw him in person, saw maybe whether it was a
Speaker 1: quarterback or another position. Do you think that is something
Speaker 1: that's because you know, I get it, but I find
Speaker 1: it hard to believe that you're gonna pick a different player,
Speaker 1: especially at quarterback, based off of a pro day. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: genuinely interested in you know, if in your experience you
Speaker 1: have ever changed your opinion based on a pro day performance.
Speaker 1: Just are you asking of a quarterback or just in general, anybody? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just in Jeneral could be a wide receiver that maybe
Speaker 1: you saw ze Ozakim I was you remember the player
Speaker 1: for the from the Ramps back in the Arizona. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he dropping for San Diego State. Yeah, San Diego State,
Speaker 1: Ozza Keene. Now he went with the Rams. Okay, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's brother John does the workout there in San Diego State.
Speaker 1: Ozza Kee. I'm seeing him on tape make all kinds
Speaker 1: of plays, and I'm thinking, and I'm standing there watching him.
Speaker 1: I watch him run, I watch him run routes, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking I had this guy way way
Speaker 1: too low, way too low. And you know, I mean
Speaker 1: he was a smaller guy and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: he was one of those guys. And I know people
Speaker 1: out there are searching right now for Oz and Kee.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I watched that workout and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm going, holy jeez, I got this
Speaker 1: kid wrong because because I watched, I watched John Garrett
Speaker 1: put him through that workout, and I'm like, he could
Speaker 1: do everything everything as far as a slot receiver, outside receiver,
Speaker 1: the routes, anything, catch the football. When you when I
Speaker 1: saw the movement and the finish and all that, it
Speaker 1: just it completely blew me away. Of like, man, I
Speaker 1: saw stuff on tape, but then you see it live
Speaker 1: right there, You're going, oh, okay, I get it. Now,
Speaker 1: there's more you can do with this guy. So he
Speaker 1: was one of those guys. And again that's way back
Speaker 1: in the day, but that was a Pro Day. William McGinnis.
Speaker 1: William McGinnis was another one. I remember that like when
Speaker 1: you watched how big he was and watched him move
Speaker 1: around at the Pro Day and then the combine and
Speaker 1: things like that. You're going, oh, I get it now,
Speaker 1: I get this. I had him, I had him in
Speaker 1: this level. He needs to be at this level up here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think pro days can't affect especially you get those
Speaker 1: coaches when they when you get coaches that work these
Speaker 1: kids out and they say, they say, this kid, when
Speaker 1: I worked this kid out, he was at this level.
Speaker 1: When I worked this other kid out, he was a
Speaker 1: little bit down here. So I think I think those
Speaker 1: pro days can't affect how these coaches see these players.
Speaker 1: Absolutely hear what you're saying, and I don't think you're
Speaker 1: completely crazy. But in the case of quarterbacks, quarterbacks get
Speaker 1: overdrafted anyway, and at this point in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: all of these guys have a former quarterback coaching them
Speaker 1: on how to do these workouts. Like all of these
Speaker 1: guys can make the throws that they need to make
Speaker 1: and impress teams in a scripted workout. I think if
Speaker 1: there's something that's going to change a team's mind about
Speaker 1: a quarterback, it's gonna be talking to him, interviewing them.
Speaker 1: You know, how they command the room, how they kind
Speaker 1: of take over you know, I think you know it
Speaker 1: automatically makes me think of Dak. Like what made Dak
Speaker 1: such an intriguing prospect during his year in the draft
Speaker 1: cycle was the intangibles in the way that he kind
Speaker 1: of won people over. And I am curious, you know,
Speaker 1: you just don't You're not gonna have the same opportunity
Speaker 1: to do that stuff, you know, Like you know, you
Speaker 1: think back to my guy Joe Burrow, Like the Bengals,
Speaker 1: you know, took him out and wind him and dined him.
Speaker 1: I think some steakhouse in Cincinnati like named a steak
Speaker 1: after him and stuff like that. Like that's not happening
Speaker 1: this year. And I wonder if that incomplete information affects
Speaker 1: things because maybe justin fields won't have as big of
Speaker 1: an opportunity to just completely knock somebody's socks off. And
Speaker 1: then that's a great point because you think about all
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, you know, Carson Wentz before the Eagles drafted
Speaker 1: a number two overall. At the combine, they bring them
Speaker 1: into a hotel room with everybody there. They got a
Speaker 1: screen ready and they're going through plays and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are you seeing here, what's the protection, what's the coverage?
Speaker 1: Why'd you make this decision? Why'd you do this? Go
Speaker 1: through his interceptions? Why you know what happened here? What
Speaker 1: would you do differently? Those are the things that you
Speaker 1: know we could do through a virtual meeting, through a
Speaker 1: zoom call, but just a little different this year. And
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's tougher, and it's we've gotten a
Speaker 1: historic quarterback class. We're gonna have five quarterbacks going to
Speaker 1: top ten, most likely for the first time ever. And
Speaker 1: it just happens that it might be the toughest year
Speaker 1: to fully evaluate these guys as well. Puts a lot
Speaker 1: of extra pressure on these pro days. Is in a
Speaker 1: little added weight too, Just maybe that's where you do
Speaker 1: change your mind, And even though that's not how it
Speaker 1: has been in the past, could potentially be that way
Speaker 1: this year. It's still yet to be seen, and there
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Speaker 1: what players are you okay with trading away from at
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Speaker 1: Magazine Draft guy. Fanatic Cowboys says, could John Fossel look
Speaker 1: for a guy in the later rounds with specific intent
Speaker 1: to only use as a special teamer kind of like
Speaker 1: what CJ. Goodwin does with the Cowboys right now? If so,
Speaker 1: who would that player be? Like Dane Brugler. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is right up your alley. Sure that thing
Speaker 1: that's certainly possible. And when you're looking in those late rounds,
Speaker 1: if you're look you're looking for guys that might have
Speaker 1: a future role on offensor defense. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: you know what they're going to bring on special teams.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking about, you know, a guy like Jalen
Speaker 1: Camp at Georgia Tech who you know, does not have
Speaker 1: a ton of production at receiver, needs to developing areas.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a guy that was a special
Speaker 1: team stud at Georgia Tech. And he looks like he's
Speaker 1: six two two twenty six, ran a four four five
Speaker 1: in the forty yard dash, and you talked to his
Speaker 1: head coach about camp as a as a special teamer
Speaker 1: and he says he brings it every day physically, mentally,
Speaker 1: and so at that point in the draft, that's the
Speaker 1: type of guy you're looking for. Avery Williams from Boise
Speaker 1: State one of the more fascinating players in this draft.
Speaker 1: When you talk about his special team's impact, he had
Speaker 1: was like nine touchdowns over his career as a returner.
Speaker 1: He had six blocks, forced fumble on kickoff coverage. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's a guy that teams aren't sure what
Speaker 1: to do with him. Could he you know, is he
Speaker 1: a corner, is he a running back? There's split opinion there,
Speaker 1: but they know what he brings on special teams. And
Speaker 1: I actually that I had in my seventh round mock.
Speaker 1: I had the Cowboys go in that direction in the
Speaker 1: seventh round. But we'll hold that to the next second. Hey,
Speaker 1: Dane where do you have the USC the safety Hafanga.
Speaker 1: Where do you have him on your board? Fourth round? Okay?
Speaker 1: Probably somewhere in that late fourth, early fifth. Okay, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's why I got him. I
Speaker 1: got him in the fifth round. And this is to me,
Speaker 1: the USC safety this is worse. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to make his mark on special teams really
Speaker 1: early in his career, and then he's going to figure
Speaker 1: out They're like, they're going to figure out spots to
Speaker 1: play him though. So I just feel like, because then
Speaker 1: there's a guy he's always in the right place at
Speaker 1: the right time type of a player. But there's some
Speaker 1: there are some things about his game though that you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to need some refinement. But when you when
Speaker 1: when you when you think about those guys, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of those safety linebacker guys. He was the one
Speaker 1: guy as you named, you name two quality players that
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on. But this Hafanga from USC,
Speaker 1: if he's drafted later, he might not get picked by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but if you see him going somewhere that
Speaker 1: will probably be his role. Initially, I think he'll be
Speaker 1: a really good special teams player for somebody, and then
Speaker 1: they'll figure out how to incorporate him as either safety
Speaker 1: or a linebacker in that scheme. I'm just gonna step
Speaker 1: out on a limb and say, with what with the
Speaker 1: influence that we've seen John Fossil have this offseason, you know,
Speaker 1: probably had a call in the Chris Jones decision, although
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's about money as well, but brought
Speaker 1: in his long snapper over the longest tenured player on
Speaker 1: the team, resigned C. J. Goodwin who was their best
Speaker 1: special team or brought back Cedric Wilson. I bet, starting
Speaker 1: on day three, I bet John Fossil is going to
Speaker 1: be in the war room quite a bit looking for
Speaker 1: guys like that. Yeah, once you get into the fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round, you better be able to have a role
Speaker 1: on special teams or else. What's the point, honestly, because
Speaker 1: those guys are usually not competing for legitimate playing time
Speaker 1: on offense or defenses. Rookies. Um, I'm not saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's like my favorite player, but when you
Speaker 1: like a question like that just makes me think about
Speaker 1: tough Borland. Um, just you know, like you're you're not
Speaker 1: you're not drafting him to probably ever be a meaningful defender,
Speaker 1: but like, he's a high and tangible guy, high effort guy,
Speaker 1: not a super great athlete, but he can he can
Speaker 1: do stuff like that. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he would even be a draft pick or a
Speaker 1: free agent or whatever, but you know, the Cowboys found
Speaker 1: a guy a lot like that in Luke Gifford a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and uh, you know, those are
Speaker 1: the types of players that make their living on special teams.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, Mike comp My camp for tough Borland is
Speaker 1: Tyler Matakavi at a Temple who has been that guy
Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh and now with the believe with the Bills
Speaker 1: not going to see a lot of defensive snaps, but
Speaker 1: on special teams. That's going to keep him in the
Speaker 1: NFL or in a paycheck Borland of course out of
Speaker 1: Ohio state. And then I just want to add a
Speaker 1: note on Jalen Camp. You mentioned Tim Dane twenty zeven
Speaker 1: was the record in terms of the bench press for
Speaker 1: wide receivers. He put up thirty bench reps in his
Speaker 1: pro day, which I know won't be a combine record,
Speaker 1: but goodness gracious, he put up thirty reps on bench.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty impressive from a guy who at
Speaker 1: least as a wide receiver could come in and be
Speaker 1: a special team stud. Okay, this one comes from Christopher.
Speaker 1: What players are you okay with trading away from at
Speaker 1: the tenth overall pick? When is it considered running from
Speaker 1: your board? Brian, We'll start with you on this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally against running from the board myself. I don't.
Speaker 1: I always, I always have questions about that. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though, that you get into a situation
Speaker 1: too where people are always interested in getting out of
Speaker 1: that pick. I you know, I just feel like it
Speaker 1: the tin hole just to me sit there and pick
Speaker 1: this player. You know, you know they're gonna have the opportunity,
Speaker 1: whether it's an offensive tackle. You know, I don't think
Speaker 1: that tight end's gonna get to you. I really really don't.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a quality cornerback there, you know,
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm gonna I can't answer your question
Speaker 1: away because I don't want to run away from that spot,
Speaker 1: I really do. I just the players have evaluated. I
Speaker 1: feel like those guys deserve to be picked at dead
Speaker 1: ten spot. You know, we'll see what happens with Parsons
Speaker 1: and people like that. I'm kind of getting some getting
Speaker 1: some vibe that maybe that Parsons wouldn't be the pick
Speaker 1: at ten, that maybe they might be in the situation
Speaker 1: where they would go another direction. But me personally, I
Speaker 1: don't want to trade from anybody in this uh, in
Speaker 1: this spot at ten. Now you get to some other spots,
Speaker 1: I'll work with you, but I'm not really interested in
Speaker 1: moving away from from anybody right now. Dave, there's a
Speaker 1: high high chance that the pick is going to be
Speaker 1: soul Slater, certain Horn. That anybody disagree with that, I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all. And and you
Speaker 1: feel that's why I'm not interested in moving right right really,
Speaker 1: and I think we can all feel really good that
Speaker 1: one of those four is going to be there at
Speaker 1: pick number ten. Yep. You know, good chance four or
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks go ahead of you. Good chance Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: has gone at least one of those receivers. So one
Speaker 1: of those four is going to be there for you
Speaker 1: at ten. It would be tough to trade away from
Speaker 1: one of those four players. I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: I think there's a very high chance that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to be coming away with one of those
Speaker 1: four guys, and it just kind of depends how the
Speaker 1: first nine picks play out. Yeah, okay, but you gotta sorry, Kyle,
Speaker 1: like you gotta throw in the caveat that. You never
Speaker 1: know for sure how this thing's gonna fall. And I
Speaker 1: agree with everything y'all just said. But if a quarterback
Speaker 1: is there, if for some dumb reason, Justin Fields falls
Speaker 1: to ten, and I can set the price like apt
Speaker 1: like if I can just absolutely hold somebody hostage for
Speaker 1: what I want, Like if if New England or Chicago
Speaker 1: wants Justin Fields and I can just make them hurt,
Speaker 1: like next year's first and maybe and day two picks
Speaker 1: this year on top of that, like if New England
Speaker 1: wants to give me next year's one and one of
Speaker 1: their threes this year to drop back five spots, I
Speaker 1: would I would trade away from a really good player
Speaker 1: to do that. Is what is your level of where
Speaker 1: do you have Newsome in relation to Certannon Horn not
Speaker 1: on the same level. But if I came away with
Speaker 1: him at fifteen and got all of that stuff in return,
Speaker 1: I would feel okay, with that or even you know,
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I agree with what y'all
Speaker 1: just said, like Sewell, Slater Horn certain, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll be there, but I'll throw in pits like
Speaker 1: those five guys. I feel really, really, really really good
Speaker 1: about drafting. But if the Cowboys, you know, obviously we
Speaker 1: know they don't always agree with us, if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: wanted to draft Parsons or quitty Pay at ten, I
Speaker 1: would bail the hell out of there so fast. But
Speaker 1: I would be perfectly happy drafting quitty Pay at fifteen
Speaker 1: on top of getting all those draft picks. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: would feel just fine. The only way you would feel
Speaker 1: about me personally that I would feel good about leaving
Speaker 1: ten is if you got completely wiped out and I
Speaker 1: but in the more I look at this draft, the
Speaker 1: more I talk to people around the league that are
Speaker 1: working on these boards and trying to get the tiers
Speaker 1: of the players. Dans right, You're going to have a
Speaker 1: very good player at ten to draft, and you're it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of you handing in that cart. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get cute at ten. And I understand
Speaker 1: Dave what you're talking about with the quarterbacks, and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But if you're telling me, say just why
Speaker 1: I was gauging on Newsome, if you think that Newsome
Speaker 1: and he would be the one guy that I think
Speaker 1: I would if I was trading down that I would
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. But I've also done a study
Speaker 1: too about all these quarterbacks and all these cornerback meeting
Speaker 1: needy teams behind you. You know that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Okay, if I drop back five spots, is
Speaker 1: that cornerback I'm gonna want? Because if you don't feel
Speaker 1: like there's a big drop off between Newsome and Horn
Speaker 1: and Certan, then go ahead, yeah, back up, see what
Speaker 1: you could do. But I feel like that they're probably
Speaker 1: going to feel like that either the offensive tackle Certan
Speaker 1: or Horne is going to be too valuable for them
Speaker 1: to move away from. And I just want to be clear,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you just said, and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably what will happen, and I would be
Speaker 1: just fine with that. But let's just use the Patriots
Speaker 1: as an example, because we know that they don't have
Speaker 1: a long term quarterback situation. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: draft picks. Like if the Patriot, if you if you
Speaker 1: drop back to fifteen and wound up with their one
Speaker 1: next year and pick ninety six. Say you take five
Speaker 1: times five times in the top one hundred and add
Speaker 1: next year's first round pick. Like you, that doesn't tempt
Speaker 1: you at all? Cowboys might do that. Yeah, but I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this though. I'll tell you this though, well, okay,
Speaker 1: depending on who you got it fifteen though, if you're
Speaker 1: if they're comfortable taking Newsome or yeah, one of those guys,
Speaker 1: if they're if they're comfortable, if they're comfortable taking bar
Speaker 1: More Me personally, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. But that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. This is where you don't think about trade
Speaker 1: in a way next year's one could get you to
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you a trade I would
Speaker 1: make if you if you want, I'd give I'd give
Speaker 1: Washington their quarterback at ten. But I'm asking you for
Speaker 1: chase you and coming back I'll take nine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you how bad? How bad do you want
Speaker 1: my pick? You know what I'm seeing how the Lincoln
Speaker 1: Monument as well? Yeah, I mean, well, you're saying, you're
Speaker 1: saying that New Englid's gonna get you one. You for
Speaker 1: sure on that. No, but that's what I'm that's what
Speaker 1: I want, and then it would be reasonable. It's it's
Speaker 1: to me. Then if you get if you get forty
Speaker 1: six from them, I think you're doing good bye that.
Speaker 1: I think if you get their second round pick for
Speaker 1: a five spot move, that's a way over pay on
Speaker 1: their part. We all understand the value of quarterbacks. Okay,
Speaker 1: football team, I'll see how bad you want your quarterback,
Speaker 1: how bad you want you enough to give up one
Speaker 1: of your guys. See, that's kind of that's that's how you,
Speaker 1: that's how you. Okay. So that's the same thing I
Speaker 1: say about the Patriots, same thing would be way. I
Speaker 1: think they'd be way more willing to give up a
Speaker 1: future pick than Washington would be willing to give up
Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers in the league who's
Speaker 1: on a rookie deal for four more years, like one
Speaker 1: of them. I'm about to give you, I'm about to
Speaker 1: give your quarterback, about to give your quarterback. I ain't try.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a quarterback deal with a division rival.
Speaker 1: That's just asking for that's just a freaking nightmare, asking
Speaker 1: for tru That's why, that's why you asked, that's why
Speaker 1: you asked for a big time player in return. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is not going to make you feel a lot better
Speaker 1: if Justin Fields turns out to be paid and manning
Speaker 1: like that is just a say you take, you take
Speaker 1: their best player and you take the nineteenth pick. But
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I think New England value. New England understands
Speaker 1: the value of a quarterback. I would see them over
Speaker 1: paying for giving you forty six and calling it a today.
Speaker 1: I could see that. I would be shocked. I would
Speaker 1: be shocked if they said we'll throw in next year's one.
Speaker 1: I would be shocked. On that's then you don't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they won't do it, then I'd say, great, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna draft sir tin Horns later or stool and feel
Speaker 1: awesome about it, like this isn't hard even with all
Speaker 1: but go for it, Brian, go ahead. No, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was just gonna say, even with all
Speaker 1: four of those names put out there, and I would
Speaker 1: agree with you guys in terms of those names. But
Speaker 1: whenever I'm building my board. But as far as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are leaning, things that I've heard, I've heard offensive
Speaker 1: tackles kind of off the board at ten. I've heard
Speaker 1: that they are not necessarily interested in that. Now I
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong, but that's something that I would
Speaker 1: definitely want. But I'm a little disappointed because I don't
Speaker 1: think they're as interested. I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a defensive player and or Kyle Pitts that falls there
Speaker 1: at ten, and that's who they're going to ultimately end
Speaker 1: up take. If they if they take, if they take
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay, like Daniel Jeremiah says they are at ten, man,
Speaker 1: I'd be I would be. I would I would be
Speaker 1: highly disappointed, especially if one of those corners was on
Speaker 1: that board, because quite pay. Yeah, that would be the patented.
Speaker 1: That would be about eight seconds of silence in the
Speaker 1: studio before somebody tries to figure out something nice to say,
Speaker 1: just like another Michigan pass rusher in the first round. Though, Guys,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremia, ain't that guy that throw it up against
Speaker 1: the wall and see what happened. Now, when you got
Speaker 1: a guy that's a scout, that's been a scout for
Speaker 1: a long time and he's got friends and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: he is the only mock draft and I've ever seen
Speaker 1: has Quitty Pay going at ten, am I wrong as
Speaker 1: anybody seen anything that scares me? Maybe maybe maybe he
Speaker 1: don't know something. Yeah, maybe he knows something that the
Speaker 1: rest of us don't know. If you're gonna take a
Speaker 1: defensive end at ten, take OJILARI, take Ojilari from Georgia
Speaker 1: instead of Pay. But the fact that he said that
Speaker 1: it gave me pause. It was like it hit me
Speaker 1: in the stomach and I went, oh, he knows something,
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing, So that this goes
Speaker 1: to show you. But if you're trading back, that's who
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about Quitty Pay and guys
Speaker 1: like that, you know, and we're like, oh, but we
Speaker 1: gotta pick Yeah, we gotta pick Man. But we got
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay though, too. And you know, I'm not so
Speaker 1: you're so desperate to get rid of Picks you never
Speaker 1: want to add him like that just that avides you. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: like let's try out, Hey, yeah, to get up to
Speaker 1: the top five, but hey, I want to add picks.
Speaker 1: I am all for taking forty four and seventy five
Speaker 1: and one up in the bottom of the first round.
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome. I'm a that I'm saying, what if
Speaker 1: you take if you if you take an offensive player,
Speaker 1: and what if you what if you get one of
Speaker 1: those corners? What if you and it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be newsome, but what if you, like, I mean, give me,
Speaker 1: give me day, give me all your second round corners,
Speaker 1: Give me every one of your second round corners. The
Speaker 1: two Georgia kids, Stokes and Campbell, Kelvin Joseph at of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: uh Sante Samuel Florida State. Is that who you're going
Speaker 1: up for is one of those one of those That's
Speaker 1: I'm saying though, if you got if you they might
Speaker 1: have those guys, is you know, they might have those
Speaker 1: guys like you know, like the like a grade of
Speaker 1: of a one two one or one two right on
Speaker 1: the top of that second right at the end of
Speaker 1: that maybe it's the nineteenth player on their board. You know,
Speaker 1: I have nineteen first round grades, so number twenty far more.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of where I'm starting right now.
Speaker 1: So but maybe one of those quarters. Brian, really quickly
Speaker 1: just kind of adding on to your point, since we're
Speaker 1: talking about this already, I'm gonna throw in our third
Speaker 1: twitter on the twenty question, Ashley Hutchins says, how soon
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys will start taking a hard
Speaker 1: look at picking and edge rushers. So maybe edge rushers
Speaker 1: up there in that twenty realm is that of potential
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go back up and get one.
Speaker 1: If not, when did they start thinking about it? I would,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I said, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that if they took an offensive player, and again we
Speaker 1: talked about this was all the stuff with Pitts. We
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be there, Kylee. You just reported
Speaker 1: that you don't think they're gonna take offensive tackle. Don't
Speaker 1: think so. Well, if that's the case, that yeah, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then then there's no reason. The only
Speaker 1: way I would consider going back up into the round
Speaker 1: is if one of those offensive tackles was there. You
Speaker 1: took that guy, and then you wanted to get back
Speaker 1: in and get one of those corners, those second round corners,
Speaker 1: you know, or the guys it's a second round grade
Speaker 1: on your board. Remember guys, they drafted Travis Frederick in
Speaker 1: the first round, but he was a second round grade
Speaker 1: on their board. You don't have thirty two first round grades.
Speaker 1: You just don't have it. So whoever they're coming back
Speaker 1: in for they're getting a guy that's real close to
Speaker 1: being Like Dane likes to say, oh, one, two, whether
Speaker 1: right on that edge. You know, I'm okay. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me I could go back in and get that guy,
Speaker 1: I could. I could pick a guy at ten, I
Speaker 1: could pick a guy at twenty six, and I could
Speaker 1: pick a guy at ninety nine. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: had a pretty damn good day to start out those
Speaker 1: first three picks. Kyle to you know, specifically, the question
Speaker 1: about when you consider pass rusher. You consider pass rusher
Speaker 1: at every single pick. You know, if a pass rusher
Speaker 1: is there that you think is going to impact your
Speaker 1: team in a big way, you take them, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they do have a high grade on quitty pay.
Speaker 1: You know, time will tell. In the second round, it
Speaker 1: could be a Joe try On from Washington or turn
Speaker 1: or from Houston. There you go. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's necessarily well, okay, we'll wait till third round
Speaker 1: before we consider you know, every single pick. I think
Speaker 1: there might be a player at the pass rush position,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be in the conversation that they would consider.
Speaker 1: There's a sweet spot. This second round could be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun for some teams drafted in my affair,
Speaker 1: because to me, there's pockets of guys, whether you need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, whether you need an offensive tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: those defensive ends, corner, We're starting to see some of
Speaker 1: those safeties this second round. Now, again, my whole thing
Speaker 1: about trading back in is if you wanted to be
Speaker 1: the corner, if you drafted the first offensive player, or
Speaker 1: or you wanted to you know, to make that but
Speaker 1: you know, you could pick at forty four and seventy
Speaker 1: five and be and and and really I think do
Speaker 1: some really some good things because there's certain positions that
Speaker 1: have great depth within the position, and I think that
Speaker 1: some teams are gonna some kind of hit some home
Speaker 1: runs on So I'm want to move on to this
Speaker 1: next question. This comes from Cammy Hawk. She says, could
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons play more of a Vic Beasley role and
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's defense Beasley was the same size as Parsons
Speaker 1: coming out of school and that also has the pass
Speaker 1: rush background. Do you think there's a chance that Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons could kind of fit into that whole? Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to the point of the question, I yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: The one thing I think that Parsons can do is
Speaker 1: can rush. I mean he's got the size, he's got
Speaker 1: that kind of ability. Again, just getting that vibe that
Speaker 1: Parsons really not in the mix for a spot I
Speaker 1: think at tend but might might be getting lied to guys,
Speaker 1: I'll admit that, but I say Pitt was. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things. There's a lot of things you
Speaker 1: need to dig in on this player. And if you're
Speaker 1: comfortable taking the player, great, If not, let somebody else
Speaker 1: have that honor of doing that. But yeah, to the point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that I think you have a potential pass
Speaker 1: rusher on your hands when it comes to the linebacker spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's the pick, he better he'd better contribute to
Speaker 1: the pass rush in a serious way like he needs to.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I bring it up a lot
Speaker 1: because it just happened. But you know, Todd Bowles schemed
Speaker 1: up away for Devin White to have nine sacks last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was, he was a significant part of
Speaker 1: that pass rush which already had good pass rushers, and
Speaker 1: he that wasn't even really part of his you know
Speaker 1: thumb thumbnail coming out of college. That wasn't something that
Speaker 1: he did at a you know, I mean he can't.
Speaker 1: He could do it, but didn't do it all the time,
Speaker 1: and they still managed to find a way to do it.
Speaker 1: So with that type of athleticism and knowing that he
Speaker 1: can do it, like, he'd better be contributing to the
Speaker 1: pass rush for him to be worth that that high
Speaker 1: a pick. In my opinion, there's no question that he
Speaker 1: could because that's what he did in high school. He's
Speaker 1: a pass rusher the defensive end. He didn't move to
Speaker 1: off ball until he got to college, so you know,
Speaker 1: you look at his Ziz Augillarry Aziz Audilary is three
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than Michael Parsons, So we're not talking about
Speaker 1: a linebacker here, right. Michael Parsons is an eleven inch hands,
Speaker 1: humongous hands. You know, there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you point to and say, yeah, he could be a
Speaker 1: pretty dynamic blitzer for us. So I think if you
Speaker 1: draft Michael Parsons, you do it with the understanding that
Speaker 1: he's gonna do a little bit of everything for you
Speaker 1: and you need to be a little creative with how
Speaker 1: you use them. But with a talent like that, I
Speaker 1: think you can do it. It should be fun to
Speaker 1: watch because I mean, Parson's is one of those names
Speaker 1: that could sneak into that conversation. But is he really
Speaker 1: in that conversation. That's kind of what we're waiting until
Speaker 1: draft night to really see. Okay, final question, real quickly.
Speaker 1: Cowboys Lucadour says Certan is the obvious front runner at ten,
Speaker 1: but is there a front runner available at forty four? Dane,
Speaker 1: I feel like you got this. Is there a front
Speaker 1: runner for the Cowboys at forty four? We'll talk about
Speaker 1: your mock draft in a second. It's so hard because
Speaker 1: you just don't know how the first forty three picks
Speaker 1: are gonna play out, Like could it be a safety?
Speaker 1: You know, it could Richie Grant or Trevon Merrick if
Speaker 1: they were to fall there to forty four be the favorite.
Speaker 1: Maybe one of those pass rushers assuming they go corner
Speaker 1: in the first So I don't know, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, it's just it's hard to have a favorite
Speaker 1: in the second round for this team. Maybe a Levi
Speaker 1: Ionzerique defensive tackle. Don't rule that out. I mean I
Speaker 1: think there's plenty of possibilities, and this is one of
Speaker 1: those drafts like like like several other drafts we've seen
Speaker 1: in recent memory, where pick twenty three isn't necessarily that
Speaker 1: different than forty three, and you know, there's just a
Speaker 1: wide grouping of players that are on a similar talent level.
Speaker 1: So you know, you're feeling pretty good sitting there at
Speaker 1: what is it pick forty four that you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a solid player. You know you're gonna have a list
Speaker 1: of guys, though I don't think there's one necessary a
Speaker 1: favorite in the second round. I'm praying to the draft
Speaker 1: gods right now that that jam and Davis from from
Speaker 1: from somehow some way from Kentucky, like does something crazy
Speaker 1: that gets him to get to forty four. That would
Speaker 1: be my if you want to sacrifice something to the
Speaker 1: draft gods beforehand, think about him. But I do like
Speaker 1: what Dane's saying. I think that TCUs safety is definitely
Speaker 1: on their radar, though that would be one that and
Speaker 1: this team might not, you know, I mean, this team
Speaker 1: has this team is allergic to safeties. They really are,
Speaker 1: I mean especially you know it's like they get you know,
Speaker 1: they start getting the sheiks when they see his safety.
Speaker 1: But this is a different group at forty four. I
Speaker 1: think you know. And I'll even throw the Holland kid
Speaker 1: in there from Oregon. I mean, I've talked about him
Speaker 1: about I like him as a player. I throw him
Speaker 1: up there with the Grants and the TCU kid and
Speaker 1: all that. I think that he's a guy that we
Speaker 1: don't talk nearly enough about. There's no way, there's no
Speaker 1: way to know the name. Like I know, you know
Speaker 1: we're experts or whatever, but there's just appolutely no way.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy that was the pick at fifty
Speaker 1: one last year was somebody that we spent most of
Speaker 1: the spring talking about as a possibility in the first round. Yea.
Speaker 1: And but that I think that gives you a hint
Speaker 1: as to what will happen. And maybe this sounds obvious,
Speaker 1: but think about the trouble spots. All right, let's just
Speaker 1: assume Patrick Sir Tanner J C. Horne is going to
Speaker 1: be the pick. I think that is a fantastic bet
Speaker 1: I would put if I was a betting man, I
Speaker 1: would put good money on it. So if you know
Speaker 1: that they're going to do that now at forty four,
Speaker 1: think about the trouble spots offensive tackle, linebacker, safety, maybe
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, there's gonna be a guy sitting there
Speaker 1: that makes your eyebrows go like, whoa, he's still there,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe it's your linebacker. Maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's Richie Graham, maybe it's Trevon marrig maybe you know,
Speaker 1: I say his name all the time. But maybe like
Speaker 1: an Alex Leatherwood for some reason is still sitting there
Speaker 1: for you. I tend to doubt it, but who knows.
Speaker 1: They're will be a guy there that you just like,
Speaker 1: it just jumps out, and I like, that'll be the
Speaker 1: pick that would be my guests. They might double dip
Speaker 1: on those corners. If you take one at ten, there
Speaker 1: might be it might be too good to pass up
Speaker 1: at forty four, you know, and at Basham is another
Speaker 1: kid I forgot to mention from from wake forth as
Speaker 1: a defensive end, you know, two or yeah, keep an
Speaker 1: eye on a guy like that as well. Man. There's
Speaker 1: I could say, guys at forty four, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a pocket of players that Dave talks about the
Speaker 1: eyebrows going up and it's son to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: on the stack, we've got this guy and it's like unbelievable,
Speaker 1: We've got an option, you know, of say four or
Speaker 1: five guys at different positions. I mean, you could go
Speaker 1: a lot of different directions with that pick at forty
Speaker 1: four and help your football team. Carlos Boogie Basham. I
Speaker 1: loved saying that name every time it comes up. All right,
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft, So we've got less
Speaker 1: than seven minutes to hit Dane's seven round Dallas mock
Speaker 1: Draft whenever you can go read it on the Athletic
Speaker 1: He's got all seven rounds, all two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: nine picks, and Dane, I know that's a lot of
Speaker 1: process to go through to get all two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty nine picks, but kind of explain in a summary
Speaker 1: what your thought process was whenever the Cowboys came up
Speaker 1: at ten and beyond. Yeah, it's an interesting exercise because
Speaker 1: it really makes you focus on, Okay, what are the
Speaker 1: draft habits of each team organization GM trying to focus
Speaker 1: on not just the needs, but what you know. Certain
Speaker 1: teams will draft certain positions at a certain point. Some
Speaker 1: teams will avoid certain positions at a certain point in
Speaker 1: the draft. So trying to keep track of all that
Speaker 1: is really interesting and it helps kind of prepare you
Speaker 1: for the actual draft. But in this scenario, five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: came off the board in the first nine picks, both
Speaker 1: tackles later and Sewell came off the board, and then
Speaker 1: so did Pitts. So you're looking at the first defensive
Speaker 1: player off the board at number ten, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: I went back to the in the Super Bowl era,
Speaker 1: so in nineteen sixty seven, before the merger, we've only
Speaker 1: had there's only been one time where a defensive player
Speaker 1: lasted until a seventh pick before they were drafted. That
Speaker 1: was Champ Bailey in ninety nine. So for a defensive
Speaker 1: player to last all the way to ten, it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy. But here we are there's a good chance
Speaker 1: that that's how it plays out. And in this scenario,
Speaker 1: Patrick's ter Tan sitting there for the Cowboys there at
Speaker 1: the tenth pick, and it kind of just makes too
Speaker 1: much sense not to happen. So they go get their
Speaker 1: their top pick overall. Then after that they go safety
Speaker 1: in the second round with a guy that Brian you
Speaker 1: mentioned in the last segment, Javon Holland out of Oregon.
Speaker 1: What was your thought process with Holland instead of maybe
Speaker 1: one of those other safeties and or defensive tackles that
Speaker 1: could have been there. Well, Richie Grant was off the board,
Speaker 1: I believe Trevon Marik, Yeah, Marek was off the board
Speaker 1: as well. So this really came down to, Okay, we
Speaker 1: could go defensive tackle with Ozerique, we could go safety
Speaker 1: with Holland. Uh, the worth few tackles still left with
Speaker 1: a Sam Cosmi or uh, you know, Carlos Basham was
Speaker 1: still there, who I think would be a nice fit
Speaker 1: in this defense, back end of this this defense, And
Speaker 1: I know it's a position that they will avoid in
Speaker 1: the early rounds, but at some point that's just you
Speaker 1: got to get past that, right, I mean, at some
Speaker 1: point you have to invest some really quality players in
Speaker 1: your safety position. And Javon Holland, I think at pick
Speaker 1: number forty four, like the fit, like what he brings,
Speaker 1: he's going to compete at both a nickel and as
Speaker 1: a free safety. I don't know, Brian, what do you
Speaker 1: think about Holland? I love to pick that's a true
Speaker 1: free safety right there. That's around the foot, he tackles well,
Speaker 1: that he plays the ball, he gets his hands on balls,
Speaker 1: he's got This is a true free safety. And you
Speaker 1: just watched the tape watch him play down after down.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is, he's got a chance, I think
Speaker 1: to be a special player. I love the fact that
Speaker 1: Dane mocked him. When I saw that, I was saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're off to a great start here. You got a
Speaker 1: corner and now a true free safety. So I applaud
Speaker 1: the pick. I think that. I think Dane did a
Speaker 1: great job for the Cowboys picking there at forty four.
Speaker 1: I want to throw this in too, and Dan, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're right. And I'm the king of saying I'll
Speaker 1: believe they draft the safety when I see it. But
Speaker 1: the new de coordinator loves him some safety play. He
Speaker 1: drafted Keyan O'Neal in the first round when he was
Speaker 1: the head guy in Atlanta. He brought him here. He
Speaker 1: brought Kazi here. He worked with Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 1: And I need to follow up on this. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure if he went, but Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn was supposed to go to Eugene for Oregon's pro day.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure he is there. Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 1: Now you can tell now, you tell me why the
Speaker 1: Cowboys de coordinator would be there because I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there are some other guys coming out of Oregon,
Speaker 1: but like nobody that like is on the decordinator level
Speaker 1: where your best defensive coach needs to go look at
Speaker 1: him with his own eyes. So Dan Quinn certainly wanted
Speaker 1: to take a look at Javon Holland. So I definitely
Speaker 1: think that's a name worth knowing. There's also maybe a
Speaker 1: new need for edge rusher as we conclude the draft show,
Speaker 1: as Alden Smith has agreed to terms on a one
Speaker 1: year deal with the Seattle Seahawks according to Ian Rapp
Speaker 1: Report as of fifty seconds ago. Actually, and that's not
Speaker 1: fifty seconds ago, says fifty minutes ago, So there's a
Speaker 1: couple minutes in between there. But I mean, edge rusher
Speaker 1: may be there. In the second round. There might be
Speaker 1: a couple guys there, like a Carlos Basham that you
Speaker 1: might want to look at. Tell me about the rest
Speaker 1: of the picks, Dane, really quickly before we wrap things up.
Speaker 1: I really like your third round pick, or this one
Speaker 1: at seventy five rather from Marlin two Polo to the
Speaker 1: USC defensive tackle. I really like that one overall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the fit there I like the depth there.
Speaker 1: I think he's an interchangeable defensive tackle, can play the one,
Speaker 1: can play the three. At seventy five, good value. Deonte
Speaker 1: Smith at left tackle at pick ninety nine. He's a
Speaker 1: guy you you draft and develop, you know. I think
Speaker 1: he's your long term succession plan at left tackle. Fourth round.
Speaker 1: I love pick one fifteen Chauncey Golston. He's your new
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford. You know, he can reduce inside, he can
Speaker 1: give you juice off the edge. Love the instincts, love
Speaker 1: the motor. Dylan Moses also in the fourth round, a
Speaker 1: guy that has an injury history, but take a swing
Speaker 1: at that point. He because he has early round talent.
Speaker 1: With Trevon Grimes wide receiver in the fifth, you know
Speaker 1: a guy that you added to the depth chart, John Bates,
Speaker 1: this is the token Boise State player that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have to draft. Also had him going guard center in
Speaker 1: the sixth round. William Sherman at a Colorado and then
Speaker 1: in the seventh Kenny Nuwongu running back at Iowa. Stay
Speaker 1: who's a big time special teams guy, can help out
Speaker 1: and stick on a roster which just based on special teams.
Speaker 1: So I doubt they're gonna make all those picks. Not
Speaker 1: those specific players, but just make those picks in general.
Speaker 1: I think we'll see a move around a little bit,
Speaker 1: but with where things stand right now, I think that's
Speaker 1: a kind of realistic look at how they could go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like what you did with Sherman at the very
Speaker 1: end of the draft, though I watched the Colorado tape.
Speaker 1: He plays tackle. You could plug him in a guard.
Speaker 1: This guy gets movement in the running game. Gonna need
Speaker 1: some work on the past technique stuff and all that,
Speaker 1: But you talk about a big, powerful guy. That's what
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Traits, guys who can develop, Guys who
Speaker 1: play a couple of different positions. Hey, Dane had a
Speaker 1: hell of a draft with the Cowboys there. I really
Speaker 1: really do. I like what he did with all his picks.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. I love the first three for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but first four you gotta go study that. He'st Carolina tackle.
Speaker 1: That guy's a good player. Now, he is a really
Speaker 1: good player. Well pounds, a little bit of a lighter guy,
Speaker 1: but great on his feet, I mean great on his feet.
Speaker 1: I even like your thought process going later on getting
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the fifth, getting it tied ind
Speaker 1: in the six, interior offensive line in the six as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of different ways you could go,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys that I think it's
Speaker 1: off the board exactly. Yeah, they line up later on
Speaker 1: and they figure things out, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: great way to put a Dane great job. And you
Speaker 1: can also go check out the entire seven round mock draft,
Speaker 1: all two hundred and fifty nine picks on the Athletic
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