1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Denton freaking McLean talk. Welcome to Post run High. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be back with you. This is 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: crazy too. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 3: Was it two years ago now almost? 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: We were on the street and now look at us. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I know. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: You've grown like so much since we first met. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like just had one hundred K when we met. Yeah, 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: and now now we're both like quadrupled that. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: The first time we met, we were talking about like, Okay, 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: how are we going to make businesses out of this? 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Like are we going to be able to quit our 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: full time jobs? Because at the time you were working 14 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: as waiting tables? 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, what do you think it taught you? 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Though? 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: How to deal with like the most insufferable of people 18 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: and how to take on many personas and personalities. And 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons I'm so good 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: at playing characters. 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: You probably met so many people and have so many 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: just like personalities in your repertoire to kind of yeah, 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: we create Sometimes. 24 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: I'll just like go out and sit at a restaurant 25 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: alone and have headphones in but like not be listening 26 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: to anything and just like listen to the people on 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: either side of me. Since in New York you sat 28 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: like thirty centimeters from the person next to you mm hmmm, 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: and just scripts based off of these strangers lives. It's 30 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: so much fun. 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, maybe Venton's the voice behind Overheard 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: New York. 33 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: I should be. They're just writing, like they're not actually 34 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: going out and listening to people. 35 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: They can't be no sometimes maybe maybe sometimes I was 36 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: like wondering that. The other day I was like, do 37 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: they get submissions? Like, I don't know. 38 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: I think so yeah. I think people just like submit 39 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: crazy things and like hope that they make it. 40 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Let's back up, though, I want you to take us 41 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: back to your childhood. Tell me what you were like 42 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: growing up, where you grew up, what your family dynamic. 43 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: Was like, family dynamic messy. My divorced young, my real parents, 44 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: my mom got married again, new step siblings, new family. 45 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: When I was like eight, moved to North. 46 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Carolina because where were you born? 47 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Illinois? And then I lived in the suburbs of DC 48 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: when my mom was working at the Pentagon, and then 49 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: she met her next husband and then we moved to 50 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: North Carolina. For him. North Carolina was not for me. 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: I came out because a girl was calling me like 52 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: a homophobic slur, and rather than like engaging with her, 53 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, you're right, do you have 54 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: anything else to say? 55 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: So, my brother in law or soon to be brother 56 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: in law, is gay and he grew up in North 57 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: Carolina and he had a really similar, like negative experience 58 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: being gay in North Carolina. Yeah. 59 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: I had my first restraining order at thirteen because of. 60 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: A we unpacked that what do you mean what happened? 61 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: It was just this family was just harassing me, like 62 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: they just did not approve of my lifestyle or my 63 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: mom's choice to support her young teenage queer son, and 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: they would like call my house threatening us, and it 65 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: was just it was really messy. People just have a 66 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: lot of time and hate on their hands. I had 67 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: a great family. My mother was very supportive. She obviously 68 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: had no problem with it when I told her, like 69 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: when I was like, Mom, I wand to tell you 70 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: something and she was like what. I was like, I'm gay, 71 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: and she's like what do you have to tell me? 72 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: Like it was like that it was not a thing 73 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: for her, So that was nice. And then I had 74 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: an older brother and he was he's straight and he 75 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: had a lot of like straight friends and they all 76 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: loved and adored me and like would protect me against 77 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: all of the negativity that would come my way. So 78 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: people ended up being it became known not to really 79 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: speak about me or to me because of my family 80 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: and like my brother and his friends, and that I 81 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: did have a strong group of people that did love 82 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: me and wanted to make sure I was like safe 83 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: and protected and would go out of their way to 84 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: confront anyone who was not being kind to me. It 85 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: took a few years to get to the point where 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: that felt like secure, but I did have that, so 87 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for that. And then I went to college 88 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: in Nashville. Okay, Belmunt University. 89 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: That's fun. 90 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was okay. Nashville was cute to me. It 91 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: was a city at the time. I've gone back like once, 92 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: I think, and I was like, what is there. This 93 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: is not a city, this is a town. But it 94 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: was better than North Carolina. Obviously, I didn't really have 95 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: to deal with any of like the hate in Tennis 96 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: in Nashville. It's a very liberal little city. And yeah, 97 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: I studied psychology in pr in Spanish and then I 98 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: moved here to work in fashion. 99 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: Wait, I love that you studied Spanish. 100 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you speak Spanish ventin? 101 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: I didn't know this, Okay, that's really really cool. 102 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: No, And it's so sad because I took it for 103 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: so many years in school and I feel like it's 104 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: either you have a knack for a language or you don't, 105 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: and I like really really don't. But my fiance can 106 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: pick up languages like that. 107 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: It took me like moving there. I went to Spain 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: my senior year of high school because my mom's divorce 109 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: got really messy and I just like needed to get out. 110 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: So your family that you moved to North Carolina before 111 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: your mom ended up divorce divorced. 112 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean wait, that. 113 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Family just like backing up a little bit, that was 114 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: a military family that she married into. 115 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: My dad, her first husband, he was also in the Army. 116 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: She was worked at the Pentagon, so that was like 117 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: military affiliated. And then her next husband she met through 118 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: the Pentagon and he was army as well. 119 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: It's cool that your mom always worked government jobs. 120 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 121 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also like working at the Pentagon. That's so cool. 122 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: It was interesting, especially like during nine to eleven because 123 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: they moved her office like a week before the plane 124 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: hit and her original office was like where the plane hit, 125 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: which was wild. 126 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but God is good. 127 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah seriously. So her divorce got really messy with her 128 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: second husband. I fled my senior year of high school. 129 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: I lived in Spain and that's how I learned Spanish. 130 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean that is so cool. And you lived in 131 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: freaking Madrid. Yeah, Like that's like I feel like one 132 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: of like the sexiest places. 133 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: To live in Spain. Asked for that, I was like, 134 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: I must live in Madrid. That's the only place I 135 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: want to live. 136 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: You have such like a European vibe to you. 137 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: I feel like I want to live in I would 138 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: live in Madrid so fast. I love it there. It's 139 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: so gorgeous and I love Spain. I love the people. 140 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: I'm like decent out the language. It takes me like 141 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: going back to get it again. Like I can speak 142 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: at I can understand it, but when I'm there it 143 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: comes back to me. But when I moved there, I 144 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: didn't know a word. 145 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: So you end up graduating and where did you move? 146 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: I moved in with a family on the Upper East. 147 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: Side, Okay, and you were nannying. 148 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had two kids and I interned for 149 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: a fashion designer in Chelsea and they were great. I 150 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: loved that family. 151 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: How many kids were you nant too? 152 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: You said they were twins? 153 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my, oh that's cute. 154 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, how old there were six at the time. 155 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: Wow. 156 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: I knew the family because the mom actually grew up 157 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: with my mom in northern California as kids, and she 158 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: like moved to the city when she was a teenager 159 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: started modeling and like, yeah, just really did a lot 160 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: and now lives on the Upper East Side in the penthouse. 161 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: It's not where she started though at all. 162 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: And during the day you were working doing a fashion internship, 163 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: what were you doing kind of anything? 164 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: Like some days I was like doing book keeping. Some 165 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: days I was like designing like look books for the collection. 166 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: Some days I was working with the designers. Some days 167 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: I was going to Burgdorf Goodman's to make sure like 168 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: the collection was staged properly and they had all the inventory. 169 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: But every day I was definitely crying. 170 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: Fashion internships, Like there are nightmare stories. 171 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: It was awful. I'm not good at the performative aspects 172 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: of like being an entry level whatever little bitch. 173 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who is It's so hard? 174 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: So like I would come in late with an iced 175 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: coffee sometimes and like she would scream. 176 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: At me now, it's like look at me now, and 177 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: you're doing all this insane fashion stuff. 178 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean I do do fashion stuff. 179 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: You do? 180 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget about it, and I love you. 181 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean that is I guys, Like it's such a 182 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: cool brand to be able. 183 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: To worry for Laurren. Santa Domingo is iconic. I love 184 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: her so much. She's so sweet and she's like the 185 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: how I get into the shows and like how I 186 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: get backstage because like I'm affiliated with her brand. 187 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: What is it life being back there? 188 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: Like? 189 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: Is it chaotic? 190 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? It's a mess. Yeah, it's a mess. And I 191 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: usually just end up hanging out with the boys because 192 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: it takes them a lot less time, yeah, to get ready, 193 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: Like they're done like pretty much instantly, and the girls 194 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: are like running around like getting strapped in all of 195 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: these insane outfits, and so it's much harder to speak 196 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: to the girls the girls are working. There is reason 197 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: female models make more than male models. 198 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, boys, I didn't even know that was 199 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: a thing. 200 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: Oh, girls make so much more than models. 201 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: I guess that makes sense. 202 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: Deservingly right. They are killing themselves and then anytime I 203 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: get to talk to the designers, they give me like 204 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: they act like they're giving me they're putting me in 205 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: God's presence. It's always so psychotic because like I gay, 206 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: you have five minutes of the designer, and I'm like, okay, 207 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: So sometimes I think I'm being rude when I first 208 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: meet them, but like because like they hand me the 209 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: design like they pass me the designer. I'm like having 210 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: someone film me and I'm I don't introduce myself until 211 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: like I start shooting right, and the designers just like 212 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: like your team gave me five minutes. I'm using every. 213 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: Minute of it, or like this is my show. 214 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: And it's fun because I feel like they don't really 215 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: get people who interact with them like that, because so 216 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: many people who like go like get these opportunities, which 217 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like I'm not grateful for it. 218 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: I am, but I'm not, as I guess, enamored by it. 219 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not either. I like that you say that I'm. 220 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: Not like googly, I like drooling, like I cannot believe 221 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm speaking to these people. You show up in your 222 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: pro Yeah, that's how that has started to happen and 223 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: like I feel like within the past year I've felt that, 224 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: and it's such a nice feeling because like, for so 225 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: long I would go into these situations and have so 226 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: much anxiety and be like, I, how am I in 227 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: this room? Like do I deserve to be here? And 228 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: now I'm just. 229 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: Like hey, I do have to say though, I feel 230 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: like fashion is another level of like do I deserve 231 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: to be here? Just because of the vibe that they 232 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: set in those environments. 233 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: Last season, I had like two chaperones with me, Like 234 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: the mode of team was very much like guiding me 235 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: through this and like getting me into these spaces and everything, 236 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: but like most of it was like street interview style 237 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: or like out right outside the show. This year it 238 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: was like all backstage stuff. And I did have a 239 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: girl who was with me that from their team, and 240 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: she was helping me film and everything. But getting in 241 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: these rooms, the amount of times you're told no when 242 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: you're on a list is crazy. I was like, no, 243 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: I'm here to interview the designer and it's in twenty 244 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: minutes and I need to get. 245 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: Back there now, and what do you have to do. 246 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: I have just gotten to a point where like I'm 247 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: going back and I'm like, get someone else. I was 248 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: like I need to speak to someone else then, because 249 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: it's literally it's such a meme like checking into like 250 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: any of these fashion shows, even as an attendant or 251 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: like backstage, no matter what it is, it's such a meme. 252 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: And you really just have to like assert so much 253 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: like confidence and like assurance that you know you're supposed 254 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: to be there, like the second you express any form 255 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 2: of like I guess like slightly apologetic or like unsure 256 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: of yourself, like you're not getting through the door if 257 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: you're on the list or not, so like I was 258 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: pushing myself through with these doors, like literally I'm dead 259 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: because like you're literally there. 260 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: You'd think there'd be like a rep with you, like okay, 261 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: come this way. 262 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: You know that's now the designers it's it's all lost. 263 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: It's such a mess that like they it's just all lost, 264 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: and like getting back, you just have to be like 265 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: I am here, I'm working, I'm doing this this like 266 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: you need to find someone else who knows what I'm 267 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: doing then, because I am right, And it just gets 268 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: to a point where that's like. 269 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: Okay, let's circle back. 270 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: You went from fashion internship, so then covid Hits right, 271 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: you moved LA. 272 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: I was covid Hit and I started delivering groceries for Instacart. Actually, 273 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: so that's like what I did at first, and then 274 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: once I started making enough money doing that, I started. 275 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: I launched a closet organizing business, and I helped a 276 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: bunch of influencers move from New York to LA, and 277 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: I was like living with one of them. His name 278 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: is Joey Zazig, and he was like my main influencer 279 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: client that like he flew me out. I did his house, 280 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: and he promoted me and got me a bunch of 281 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: clients in LA. He was he was great. And then 282 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: but like through living with him, I was kind of like, 283 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: this is an appealing life, Like this what like the 284 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: direction I desire to go? And I thought I could 285 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: do it like through the organizing thing and like make 286 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: that my content Niche quickly realized that was not inspiring 287 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: for me. I love organizing. I'm super like that is 288 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: something I love to do. 289 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: But are you very organized? 290 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I love that and my home is psycho like 291 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm I'm probably awful to live with. 292 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: At what point did you move from LA back to 293 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: New York City and start serving. 294 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: I still had my apartment in New York. When I 295 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: was living in LA, I was living with my one 296 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: of like my ex at that time, and like a 297 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: two hundred square at studio in Brooklyn. It was awful, 298 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: So LA I was like, I, yes, I will stay 299 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: there as long as possible to have space. And then 300 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: I came back and then I started waiting tables after 301 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: like six ish months of doing the closets, and then 302 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: I came back to New York full time and just 303 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,119 Speaker 2: was trying to figure out a way to like pursue 304 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: content and also have income to pay my rent. And 305 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't know who told me how much they were 306 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: making waiting tables in the city, but I was talking 307 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: to someone out and they were like, yeah, it's like 308 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: pretty good money. And I was like, oh my god, 309 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: that's way more than I made at my corporate job. 310 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: And it's like it's less hours. 311 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: You make great money in the service industry. 312 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would like, like on a bad month, like 313 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: three grand that was like twenty five hours a week, 314 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: So like if I wanted to make like four or 315 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: five grand, I would work like full time. And I 316 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: was like, oh, so now I can like, if I 317 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: like just live very minimally for for a while, I 318 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: can like wait tables and try and make content and 319 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: like do both. So I did that for over two 320 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: years and then was able to quit around the time 321 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: you met me, and. 322 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Your content was so funny, like you were making really 323 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: really funny service industry videos. 324 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: You ran into Carridale Levine. 325 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she launched me. 326 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: That was crazy. 327 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: She's my launch. She launched my whole career at Kara 328 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: Day Levine. She really did. 329 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: What did your early videos look like? 330 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Like? 331 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: Early early on, I was doing like what to do 332 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: in New York this Sunday? 333 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: That is so funny because that's so not your I mean, 334 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: you know what to do on Sunday, New York, but 335 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: that's so funny, so bad. 336 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: I was like going. I was like vlogging the Brooklyn 337 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Free flea market under the Bridge, going to like comedy 338 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: shows on rooftops and oh my god, finding things to 339 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: do during COVID. And I was very much doing like 340 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: New York City like things to do and see as 341 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: like a person who lives here because I had been 342 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: here for like almost two years at that point, so 343 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: I thought i'd. 344 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: You didn't know you knew I knew enough. 345 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's so funny, though I know he never 346 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: you don't strike me as one of those people. 347 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: Girl, I wasn't. 348 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I love those people because literally TikTok 349 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: and social media like Instagram, I use the search engine 350 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: like if I need recommendations, I'm looking at TikTok. 351 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: So you're helping the people. 352 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: I am glad I did that because it like evolved 353 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: into I do travel vlogs now and I love doing those. 354 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: I think they're so fun. So like Puglia is getting 355 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: really trendy now, and I went to Puglia like two 356 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: years ago, so those are still getting. 357 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: Traction right, right? What was it that finally stuck for you? 358 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: So I started doing obviously the serving skits. Loved those. 359 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: I loved that. I still love those. I still do 360 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: them sometimes. I think they're great and they're so relatable 361 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: and like that I feel like is like the core, 362 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: like the root of the character I do now with 363 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: frequency that everyone knows and loves, like the oh my god, 364 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: what's wrong? Or like the person you're with that friend 365 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: on the street. 366 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: How did that character come to be? 367 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: I think it started with the serving skits, and then 368 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: when I stopped serving and I was not in the 369 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: restaurant anymore, I was like, Okay, I what do I 370 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: do with this? And I started to bring it into 371 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: different settings and then it just started to be like 372 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: on the street and I was able to like I 373 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: just got better at my writing, I think, And it 374 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: took me a while to even write in the first place. 375 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: And I had so much anxiety before I wrote, like 376 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: so much because I would wake up and I had 377 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: no idea what I was. 378 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Doing, and content could be very overwhelming when you feel 379 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: that way, terrifying, And I was like, am I going 380 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: to be able to like to figure out lines in 381 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: the moment, because that's what I did. 382 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: Like at first, I was just like handing my camera 383 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: to someone, say this respond and we'll see how it goes. 384 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: And if I was feeling it when we press record. 385 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, this is the scenario. This is 386 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: I would like I would build the universe and I 387 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: would tell them a few marks that I was going 388 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: to say and like what to respond to, very loosely, 389 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: and then it would we would see what would happen. 390 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: And then after doing that for a while, I was 391 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: like Okay, this is getting really really tiring, and like 392 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: I have so much clinical anxiety that never leaves my 393 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: body because I never know what's going to work. So 394 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: I started to like dissect my content and like I 395 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: started writing formulas for them, and I would be like 396 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: this question to this response, to this response to this quest, 397 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: and it's like a math equation, like the oh my god, 398 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: what's wrong videos, and then the person responds with something 399 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: terrible going on in their life, and then ICE respond 400 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 2: to something completely obliviate. Like that's a formula and that's 401 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: a literal equation. 402 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: It is, I mean, that is so much of social media. 403 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: So it's like so good that you say that, because 404 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: it is so important to take like an analytical approach 405 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: to what you're doing and like see what works, and 406 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, so long though as it does, it takes 407 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: forever to like figure out what that is and then 408 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 1: like making sure it doesn't get too stale, because if 409 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: you use the formula too exact, every time it like dies. 410 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: It does. It does. Absolutely. 411 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: I feel like I noticed when you went from not 412 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: like writing your content. 413 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: You're not the first person to tell me that, and 414 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: that is so reassuring for me because I'm like, thank. 415 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: God, But I think it's like a learning thing. 416 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: You got to a point where you're like, Okay, not 417 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: only do I want to wake up and feel good, 418 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: but okay, now all of a sudden, brands love these videos. 419 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: They want me to prep it. You know, it's going 420 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: to make me more comfortable, it's going to make the 421 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: filming quicker. 422 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: It's crazy because my manager, she has like fifteen clients, 423 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: and she when I started doing that, she was like, 424 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is amazing. I was like really, 425 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, none of my other clients do this, 426 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's crazy. They're all this out 427 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: here winging it. 428 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: We're definitely creating content different than like a lifestyle content creator. 429 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: I would love to have a big lifestyle content creator 430 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: on because I really am interested in their process of 431 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: like fascinating. So the way I go about content is 432 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: I am scheduling interviews with people I normally film maybe 433 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: like twice a day or once a day, but I'm 434 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: pretty much filming five videos a week. And if it's 435 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: like a brand deal video, I'll have to write down 436 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: for the brand how I'm going to incord break my 437 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: key messaging. A lot of what I do is more 438 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: improv I never know how somebody's going to answer my question, 439 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: so I just have to be quick with my response. 440 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: So I plan out key messaging that I'm going to 441 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: hit for brands. 442 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm like various different options of. 443 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: Like yeah, Like I just have to say to them, 444 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: like there's no option to reshoot, so I promise, yeah, 445 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: we don't do reshoots, which is kind of awesome about 446 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: my consent. 447 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like me going into an event. I'm like, Okay, yep, 448 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: we gotta get this. 449 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you will. 450 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I love that you're getting into writing because I know 451 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: writing is a passion of yours. 452 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: So let's talk about like what is the. 453 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Future of Benminklin. Talk what is he doing, what is 454 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: he working on? What can we be excited to watch? 455 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: Right now? I'm working on a video called The Apology, 456 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: which is about an influencer and a future kind of 457 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: dystopian world and are culture is still thriving in this universe, 458 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: but it's kind of gotten to a point where like 459 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: governments have deemed global warming is kind of like hearsay, 460 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: like you can't talk about it because it's like goes 461 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: against society, and like they don't want it. It's just 462 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: they've deemed it as like false in this world and 463 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: like you can't talk about like you will get canceled 464 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: if you talk about it, and like say it's real, 465 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: and everyone is just like living in oblivion that this 466 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: isn't happening, and like we've just decided to not talk 467 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: about it anymore. So something gets dug up from my 468 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: past about me talking about global warming, and I get canceled, 469 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: like in the middle of like like an interview with someone, 470 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: so like it starts off me like in an in 471 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: an interviewing really pretentious, and then like I get a 472 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: call from my manager and I'm getting canceled, and then 473 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: the interviewer that's what they end up writing about. And 474 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: I go home to like my entire team like freaking 475 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: out and like writing a script for me to like 476 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: for my apology, and like taking all of my phones 477 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: away and like all of my tech and like leaving 478 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: me alone to rotten my room for days, and like 479 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: in my head, as I'm rotting in my room, you 480 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: just hear all of the hate comments pouring over me, 481 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: calling me like an eco freak and ship like that, 482 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: and then like my team comes back three days later, 483 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: I look horrendous and they are like perfect, like amazing, 484 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: and they like set me up like on the floor, 485 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: Like it's like stage, Like the apology video is staged, 486 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: and like this is like my first video involving like 487 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: other people. 488 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, how is it coordinating? Getting like other people's Wait, 489 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 3: you have to find like actresses. 490 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: I'm using like creator friends. Yeah, and like you need 491 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: a person, Okay. If I never ever need another act 492 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: I'll let you know. Okay. Then like it's then I 493 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: sit down and like my team is like holding cue 494 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: cards for me for the apology video, and then like 495 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: the edit flips into like someone scrolling through their phone 496 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: and it's like the apology video posted with like five million. 497 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: Million likes and that's how it wraps. 498 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: And then they scroll past it and it goes, hey, 499 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: you guys, I am working with the Exxon right now, 500 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: we're wearing an oil rig. 501 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god. Wait wait this is 502 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: going to be big. 503 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: I think it has a good social critique. So yeah, 504 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 2: when I'm going what I'm trying to move towards is 505 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: like more high level scripted short film style contents, but 506 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: still like short form media because I just I don't 507 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: have the capacity to like make a twenty minute long 508 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: short film like three minutes tops. That actually is like 509 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: saying something kind of deep and involving other people that 510 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: I'm writing for, so like actual screenwriting, screenwriting, producing, editing. 511 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: And wait, I like that you said that it's telling 512 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: a story that's like comical because you're funny, Yeah, but 513 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: also like has a deeper message. 514 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: Just saying something. I'm trying to do a bit more 515 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: quality over quantity. And that's how that happens in I 516 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: think anyone's career. It goes from tous like you know this, 517 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: Like you used to wake up every single day film edit, 518 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: post immediately, and then you get to a point where 519 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: you can breathe a little bit more and you have 520 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: more time and you can like flesh it out. And 521 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: I'm getting to that point, so I think that's what 522 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: the next step is. 523 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so important to get to that place where 524 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: it's like okay, like I can sit on an edit 525 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: for a couple of days, like and. 526 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: Like really think about it. You don't really have another 527 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: option at the beginning when you're just like fighting for attention, 528 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: because that's what it is, like you're fighting, Yeah, for. 529 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: I still feel like I'm fighting for attention. 530 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: We always we're always fighting. Yeah, but like you can 531 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: get smarter about it once you have an audience, absolutely, 532 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: because like when you're building, you're like, I just I 533 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: need to do this like now, like immediately, But like 534 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: once you have an audience, and like you have relationships 535 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: with your teams and brands and people know you're good 536 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: at your job, and like you have work, you're like, okay, 537 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm working, I'm good at this, I know what I'm doing. 538 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: I can like take a moment to actually create something 539 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: a bit more meaningful to me, which is takes a 540 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: while to get to it. It feels so good. 541 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm literally so excited to see that. 542 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I love seeing like every expression of so I'm freaking 543 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: so excited for you. All right, let's talk about your boyfriend. 544 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: How'd you guys meet? 545 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: Tom works for a brand called axel OUDI got though 546 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: and I they were open. Yeah, they were opening a 547 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 2: store in New York and their PR team reached out 548 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: to me to do a video for the store opening, 549 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I like the brand, it 550 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: was cool, And before I filmed the video, they were 551 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: having like a launch party for it in Bushwick. And 552 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: I always go to like events for brands that I'm 553 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: working with, Like it's just like respectful as. 554 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: You know, getting to do yeah. 555 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: To meet the teams. I like to talk to them. 556 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: I like to hang out and like really get to 557 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: know them, especially when I'm working with them. So I 558 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: went to that and they flew their London team out 559 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: for the event and they were all like working on 560 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: the store opening here for the week. So he was 561 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: there and he introduced himself. He came over that night. 562 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: We spent the rest of the weekend together and I 563 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: kind of knew the day after I met him that 564 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: I it's going to marry him. 565 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my whole body just got chills. 566 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: But that's such a thing. 567 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like wait, and how long have you guys been 568 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: dating for now? 569 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: We've been dating for about five weeks? 570 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: Is it five weeks? 571 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: Okay? 572 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: Fair? Fair? And he lives in London, and I are like, 573 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: maybe all of in London, maybe to. 574 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: London twice already, right crazy. I left, and then like 575 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: a day went by and he's coming on Friday, Okay, 576 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: And we knew that, but I was like, I can't 577 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: wait another three weeks. So I went back, good for you. 578 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: How long has it been since your last relationship? 579 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: A few, like almost three years? Good for you, it's 580 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: been a minute. 581 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 3: What would be our advice to people that are dating? 582 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: My advice is like if you don't, because that's what 583 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 2: I told myself. I was like, I'm not giving any 584 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: man my time. I'm really just not unless it just 585 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: feels something that I've never experienced before, because like I've 586 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: dated a lot with intention, and like I was like, 587 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: this person like has these qualities. It'll work because they're 588 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: A B and C and like it looks it looks 589 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: like it would be right, Like it's like theorematically it 590 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: should yeah, because of my brain. 591 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and. 592 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: You should just know, like it shouldn't be like a thing. 593 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: And like every time I've ever dated someone, I've always 594 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: had doubts and thoughts, and like when I would speak 595 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: about them, I wouldn't say with confidence, I'm going to 596 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: marry this person. 597 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: The first time I hung out with him, just like 598 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: in a social setting at a bar. We were in 599 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: Nantucket for July fourth, random and I said to my 600 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: best friend, I was like, I'm. 601 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: Going to marry that guy. 602 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: And it took years. 603 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 3: It did take years. We were also very young and dumb. 604 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: I do think we're older now so things happen quicker, 605 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: and like people are more mature with dating. We were 606 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: definitely immature, but I did have that knowing feeling but 607 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: you do not know, you know. 608 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 2: I always hated that too. I would always get so annoying. 609 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: People would get like say that when you would ask 610 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: for advice, like oh, and you know, you know, but 611 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: like it's so true, like if you know, you're not 612 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: going to have any doubts about it, Like that's just it, 613 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 2: That's what it is. And like every the relationship I've 614 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 2: been and I had so many doubts and like they 615 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: obviously ended for a reason. And I had never in 616 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: my life met someone and had that thought that this 617 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: I want to spend the rest of my life with 618 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: this person. 619 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: I also am a big proponent of long distance relationships, 620 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: especially in the beginning of a relationship. 621 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: Nice. It's so nice. It's so nice because it's like 622 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: fun and like you really get like when you spend 623 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: time together, like it's such quality time. 624 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: You're really together. 625 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Jeremy and I were long distance for the 626 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: first like two years of our relationship. 627 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, Like you really need to know each other 628 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: at such a deeper level you do. And also I 629 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: guess like a more attainable and like tangible form of 630 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: advice is like, really get to know yourself before you 631 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: allow someone into your life in that capacity. If I 632 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 2: met Tom like a few years ago, I wasn't like 633 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: at a place mentally where I would have been like 634 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: able to go into it like this. But you really 635 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: have to love yourself if you're going to find the 636 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: right person. So like work, I've been working on myself 637 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: good the past few years. So when I met him, like, 638 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: I you're ready, Yeah, Like I know I'm a great person. Like, yeah, 639 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: I know, I'm a catch and yeah, so was he. 640 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 2: And it worked. And you have to have that confidence 641 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: and that love for yourself before you can really dive 642 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: into that. Yeah. 643 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: I love that you say, Like marriage is like in 644 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: the cars for you guys, because that's you know, I 645 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: never know with people, I'm like, do you want to 646 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: get married? Like that's like one of the questions I 647 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: always ask my friends. I'm like, do you see marriage 648 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: in your future? And I love meeting people that do 649 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: want to get married because that's how I am you know, Yeah, 650 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: do you want. 651 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: To have kids? 652 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: I would have to be so rich. 653 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: I would have to be so you're like nanny for 654 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: each like. 655 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: Not even just that, Like I just want to know, like, 656 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: if I have children, no shade to my to my mother. 657 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: She did, She's the best. But my children are never 658 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: ever going to have to pay rent. Like, I'm not 659 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: having kids if they're going to struggle. 660 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: So I want my kids to struggle. 661 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: I don't want my kids to struggle at all at all. 662 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, I gotta get a little jersey grit in 663 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: these kids. 664 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: They're going to have a credit card. 665 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: We vent it. 666 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: I love it. 667 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm so freaking excited for you. You have 668 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: so much going on. We just have so much to 669 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: look forward to with you, and I'm so excited to 670 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: see you. 671 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: Pop off even more. I'm like, what can't Benton do? 672 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: What can't you do? Look at this? Are you kidding me? 673 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: Look at this cute studio? 674 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: It's insane. Who would have thought? Well, I did know. 675 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: I knew. I knew the day I met you. 676 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: Really, what was your first impression of me? 677 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: I was like, she is going she's gonna do this, 678 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: She's going to do this. 679 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: Thank you well, I'm so proud of you and this 680 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: was so fun. 681 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: I love you. Thank you for having me. 682 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: I love you till next time. Bye bye