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Speaker 1: Ariana Grande No. It's gonna be like Beanie Feldstiner something

425
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: like that. But Arianna's Italian, I know, but ari cannot

426
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: pull well. I'm not saying she can do it. I'm

427
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: saying they will probably try to make her do it,

428
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: and no one could possibly ladder up to what Share gives. However,

429
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: I can give camp I think that she would be fine.

430
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: She would have. We have we given a good enough

431
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: explanation of the plot of moonstruct the setup, which I

432
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: think is all shots needed because we can, you know,

433
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: meander through these other parts. It must be said that, um,

434
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: when Johnny, not Ronnie, not Nicolas Cage, but Nicolas Cage's

435
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: brother is taking off on the airport, there's an old

436
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: woman as played by Rose Damn you. Um it is

437
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: literally literally you and there's a old woman. She's like

438
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: looking at the plane as it's leaving. This is back

439
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: in the day pre ninal event, when you could like

440
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: go and like watch people like take flight, you know,

441
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: watch their flights take off or whatever. Watch them to

442
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: five gravity, watch them to via gravity. Yeah, there's an

443
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: old woman that's like, I put a coach on that

444
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: plane on my sister who cheated on me, and she

445
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: her sister and cheat on her sister married the man

446
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: that she had wanted to marry exactly. It's not important.

447
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: It's like a kind of like throw away no, but

448
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: it's a great like the movie is filled with these

449
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: small moments that just stick with you like that they're

450
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: so specific yes and unexpected, and this movie has one

451
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: of the best glow ups of all time. Share, who

452
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: starts the movie looking kind of dowdy, which like for

453
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: any other woman, would be the most glamorous they ever looked,

454
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: and she still looks amazing. Yeah um she So Share

455
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: hooks up with Ronnie and they go to the opera

456
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: together and before that she gets a makeover. Well there's

457
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: some steaks in that too. Basically, Ronnie says, She says,

458
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: this is a cheating We're cheating right now. This will

459
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: never work. We can never speak to each other again.

460
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: And Ronnie says, okay, fine, We're never going to speak

461
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: to each other again one basically like one more time

462
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: with feeling like let's do one last cheaty thing and

463
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: let me take you to the opera. It's like this

464
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of like there's this emotional steak to it where

465
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: Ronnie's like, I'm never going to be happy without you

466
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: in my life and I can't have you, but can

467
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: I have you just for this one night? And so

468
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Share gives us what is the makeover montage of all

469
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: makeover montages? I mean not of all, but like it's

470
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: a really good makeover. It's not even really like that

471
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: much of a montage. Like you do see her, you know,

472
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: in the chair getting her hair done, her makeup done,

473
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: but it's about the moment when she emerges and is Share.

474
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: She's Share, she is and sheher says in interviews that

475
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: she preferred playing like the dowdier version of Loretta. Like

476
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: she she you know, after the glow up. She you know,

477
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: was having a harder time. She really can inhabit a

478
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: character like That's something that is really beautiful about her

479
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: portrayal of Loretta is even though she has her sherry

480
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of snap out of it like things in it,

481
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Like it still is not her distinctly. Yeah. I do

482
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: love the scene right after she gets made over where

483
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: she goes home and she's like sitting in front of

484
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: the fire and getting ready. Um, that is my favorite

485
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: scene too. I have to say, like it is essentially

486
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: a sex scene with no one else. She comes home,

487
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: she turns on the fireplace, she pours herself a glass

488
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: of wine like some like you know, sexy like shod

489
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Day kind of jazz plays she and she's like, literally,

490
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: it's literally us after Black Friday, like opening up her

491
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: all the things she bought for herself. She's a dragon

492
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: looking at all the wealth that she's hoarded, and you

493
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: know not to go to earnest too quickly. But like

494
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: that scene actually I think encapsulates like my favorite element

495
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: of the film, which is like a story that is

496
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: actually about coming into your own and falling in love

497
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: with yourself again. Like the Portrait of Loretta is like

498
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: this woman who has she's a wolf, as they say

499
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: in the film, like she has like she's been down

500
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: on her luck. She doesn't really believe in magic or

501
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: love anymore. She doesn't really think that she deserves nice things.

502
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: And now a decade after her lover has died, she

503
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: finally has this like hot guy that's really into her,

504
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: that's swept her off her feet in an unexpected way,

505
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I am actually desirable. There's this

506
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: very funny scene as she just is exiting the make

507
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: of her montage where a bunch of construction workers like

508
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of cat call her and she goes like who me,

509
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: Like like, are you sure? Like it's kind of this like, oh,

510
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I forgot what it feels like to be attractive. So

511
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: when she sits down with her like you know, Chanel

512
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: shoes or whatever the her Revlon like it's so beautiful. Yeah,

513
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: I really want to have that kind of share a

514
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: moment like not even like a makeover or like buying

515
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: something that makes me feel better about myself, but like

516
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: that moment where you realize that you are a like

517
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: embodied sexual being. I really want that for myself this

518
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: um like holiday season, that's what that's the energy I'm

519
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: bringing into Yes, that is that is And there's even

520
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: after like when you know, she turns on the fireplace

521
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: and she pours herself a glass of point, she goes

522
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: over to the mirror and she looks at herself like

523
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: like it's like sex. It did kind of remind me

524
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: of the scene in the House of Gucci as Mauriceo

525
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Gucci is getting killed when Gaga's in the bath, and

526
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: it kind of reads as if she's like masturbating to

527
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: the thought of her estranged husband being murdered. There are

528
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: actually a lot of side by sides between like House

529
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: of Gucci and Moonstruck. Did you notice, I mean you

530
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: you're kind of alluding to these, like, yeah, well, I

531
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: do think like Gaga and Share doing similar things in

532
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: these roles, or like I do think the House of

533
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Gucci is kind of like Gaga's Moonstruck. Yeah, okay, we'll

534
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: get into the movie comparisons, but on that actually, I mean,

535
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not saying like Gaga's copying Shure, but Gaga

536
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: is in shares lineage when she goes from the pop

537
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: star to award winning actress, you know, elevation like that

538
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: is like absolutely you see those you know how those

539
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: are blossoming together and they're both doing like Gaga is

540
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: doing it I think beautifully. But like with this movie specifically,

541
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: when the trailer dropped, everyone's making fun of Gaga, you

542
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Everyone's like, you know, dragging the accent.

543
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: They're like, this is gonna be so camp. When Moonstruck,

544
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: like the premier of Moonstruck was like happening, Like SHARE's

545
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: name would come on the credit scene and the audience

546
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: would laugh at her, and then who had the last laugh?

547
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: She did exactly. It's this moment where you've been a caricature,

548
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: because to be a pop star, to be a woman

549
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: and a pop star, is to be a character. You

550
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: have to constantly force this, like you know, archetype of yourself,

551
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: often changing your identity over and over again just to

552
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: like stay in the business. But like people you know

553
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: don't want to take those archetypes seriously, like Madonna or

554
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Share or Gaga, And so when they decigned to do

555
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: something serious, all of a sudden, everyone's like, no, you

556
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah, well okay, so you, of the

557
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: two of us, you are the share her Storian. I

558
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: love Share, but you love Share on a on a

559
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: level that I cannot even like think of as sending to.

560
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: So where where was Share in her life and her

561
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: career when Moonstruck came along? Okay, so basically it had

562
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: been Oh, I guess her and Sunny broke up seventy nine,

563
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I think, and this movie took place in eight seven,

564
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: um between seventy nine and early eighties. She re emerged

565
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: as a solo pop star pretty quickly. Um or actually

566
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: not quickly. She had a few flops and then everyone

567
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, Share is just share. We forgot

568
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: about Sonny. Sonny dies. I think a year or two

569
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: before Moonstruck comes out, and it actually should be said,

570
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: I was reading recently that this movie was very hot

571
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: off the tails of shares appearance on The Letterman Show,

572
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: the very iconic one that has like I think, recirculated

573
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: a lot on share Twitter, which I am on, wherein

574
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: she calls Letterman an asshole because he's being a fucking

575
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: asshole and doing what Letterman always does, which is ask

576
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: women about people they've slept with or plastic surgery or

577
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: like whatever. You know. It was kind of a viral

578
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: moment proceeding viral media, and so this version of share

579
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: where she's kind of like, never gonna let men do

580
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: that to her in a public place. I hesitant, hesitate

581
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: to say like feminist, but like that kind of component

582
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: of like I'm not going to let you say that

583
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: to me. Kind of share, this share that you know,

584
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: we'll never let you live it down is coming out

585
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: right at this time. Everyone's seeing this side of So

586
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: is this does this predate the mom I am a

587
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: rich Man moment? It does predate the mom I am

588
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: a rich So this is really like the genesis of

589
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: share kind of becoming the share we know today. She

590
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: did already have anom for silk Wood, where she played

591
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep's lesbian roommate. I have never seen Silkwood. I

592
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: will have to really need it on it um. Then

593
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: she had been in a few other flop movies silk

594
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: What she got an arm And this was the year

595
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: it was, which is of Eastwick? It was also eight seven?

596
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so which is it? Eastwick and Moonstrauck came

597
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: out in the same year. Yeah, I guess probably the

598
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: two film roles that Share is best known for. And

599
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: so with this movie specifically, they really didn't think it

600
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: was going to transcend, Like they only spent fifteen mill

601
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: on it. Olympia Ducoccus said in interviews later, she was like,

602
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: this movie is going to be a flop. She thought

603
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: this movie was going to be a flop, and she

604
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: talked about it with actors on set. Um And the

605
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: movie was one of the highest grossing films of the year,

606
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: and Share won an Oscar for it, and it didn't

607
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: win Best Picture. It won Best Screenplay. Okay, I don't

608
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: think it was nominated for Best Picture, which, like it

609
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: makes sense because I think the writing is part of

610
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: what mad like. Obviously, the performances are what we remember,

611
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: but the writing and the story, Like when I say

612
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: that it has the same kind of structure as a play,

613
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: I do think like it comes down to like the

614
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: language and the way the story is told, and how

615
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: One thing that really struck me when I saw it

616
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: is how these really dramatic things are happening, but people

617
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: are not reacting to them in melodramatic ways. Like it

618
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: really it feels so lived in and so real. Um

619
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: Like at the end when um Olympiodococcus says to Share,

620
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: like do you love him, Loretta, and she says I do,

621
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: and she says like what did she feel? Like, it's like,

622
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: oh that's too bad. Yeah, you know, like it's so

623
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: it's so grounded in this family feels real. It also

624
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: has to be said that another thing that you and

625
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: I respond to in the in the in the vein

626
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about is the wolf feness of

627
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: all of the characters, Like there's this inside you. There

628
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: are two wolves. One of them is Share and the

629
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: other one is also Share. Yeah. Yeah, Well the film

630
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: used to be called it was called The Bride and

631
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the Wolf or whatever, before it was called Moonstruck, And

632
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: it comes from this conversation in the sex scene that

633
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: Rose was talking about earlier, where they say you're a wolf,

634
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: and um, there's this iconic line where she says, not Loretta,

635
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: but Loretta's I guess. Aunt says I've seen a wolf

636
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and every man I ever met, and I say, a

637
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: wolf in me you, and like the motif of the

638
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: wolf is used as this downtrodden person, like someone who

639
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: has been so kind of like hardened by life that

640
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: they have these underwhelmed like this kind of like monotony

641
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: reaction to anything that happens, even if it is like

642
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: mystical and magical and and love like because I don't know,

643
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: I would warrant to say that you and I are

644
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of jaded by life a little bit, like I

645
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: think that you and I are, you know, always like

646
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: in a very stupid way, being like love doesn't exist

647
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: like man suck blah blah blah, but like it comes

648
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: it comes from a place, a specific place of like

649
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: how you or I grew up. And I guess in

650
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: this moment, like how Shares character came to Fruition. Before

651
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: we met the character herself, I did um as someone

652
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: who had heard about this movie and seen the way

653
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: that it permeated pop culture for so long, but never

654
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: actually sat down and watched it. When I did watch it,

655
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: it felt like it slotted itself into like my identity

656
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: so quickly. So the first time you ever watched the movie,

657
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: what what was the thing that you kind of immediately

658
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: latched onto, Like what component of it where you were like,

659
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: aside from obviously share which takes up a lot of space,

660
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: and like the reasons that someone might watch Moonstruck, Like

661
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: what did you come away with that affected it, that

662
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: made it? I just I don't know I can break

663
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: it down to one thing. I really do think it's

664
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: a perfect movie. Um, and it feels so warm. I

665
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: agree it's a perfect movie. I'm obviously very prone to

666
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: exaggeration and hyperbole, but I do think that it's perfect.

667
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: And when I made me laugh, it made me cry.

668
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: It feels like it's like that that video of Gwyneth Paltrow.

669
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: I laughed, I cried, I had a shot, you know,

670
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: like it is. It is the full range of human

671
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: emotions in one film. Generally speaking, I I do love

672
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: things that strike that balance between like absurdist and camp

673
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: and like kind of even quote unquote bad when someone

674
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: says is like, why is this movie good? Why this

675
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: movie bad? Whatever? Um, And also happens to be like

676
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: very emotionally resonant at the end, like I think that

677
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: the thing that it teaches you is really beautiful. But

678
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: I which we'll get into, But I have to say,

679
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: when I first watched this movie, I was like a

680
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: freshman in college, had no idea what to expect. Was

681
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: blown away by the idea that share In Nicolas Cage

682
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: are in a movie together. I think that's the most

683
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: common reaction, at least now. Well, this is at such

684
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: an early stage of Nicolas Cage's career, and like I guess,

685
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: from what you're saying, a kind of weird midway point

686
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: in shares or like a transitional point. Um. I do

687
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: think this is the one time Nicolas Cage has ever

688
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: been hot, absolutely, and he is very hot. He is

689
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: like if he had to peek and only be hot once,

690
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: this was it. Because he is so fucking sexy in

691
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: a way that is like still kind of gross. Like

692
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: the first scene where she goes into the basement of

693
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: the bakery. You know that Chrissie gave me the big

694
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: bring me the Big night, Ronnie the sexual chemistry they have.

695
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, like how could you not have

696
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: that with share Um? But I really do think that

697
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: this their their love scene is the best romantic, sexy

698
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: love scene I've ever seen. And it's bizarre as well. Yeah,

699
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: it's weird, it's weird her cooking him the steak, and

700
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it's just and and like the melodrama of it, the

701
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: uh I don't care, take me, take me the movie

702
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: likes to the thing about I guess talking about like

703
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: camp in this film or like John Patrick Shanley's kind

704
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: of love for exaggeration is that so many he takes

705
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: all these tropes from rom coms and romances we've already

706
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: seen and you kind of like inflates them a little

707
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: bit and makes them like bizarre and weird. And so

708
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, in that sex scene, like Nick Cage like

709
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: swoops her off her feet in a way that feels

710
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: like almost like the scene was like overblocked, like or

711
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: like they were doing it. And again it is like play.

712
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like it feels like they

713
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: are playing to the back of the house and in

714
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: in a scene that is shot very intimately. And then

715
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: it also like the script also loves like these ham

716
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: fisted metaphors, like in the scene in the Bakery where

717
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: like Nick Cage goes, He's like, and I big bread, bread, bread,

718
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: and I still get in it out of this hot

719
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: hole every day, like he says that, And like John

720
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Petrick Chanley knows what he's doing when he said, like

721
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: when he when they say, like, you're a bride without

722
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: a head, a wolf without a foot, and then he

723
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: sweeps her off her feet for no reason, like he

724
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: knows that that's weird. And I think that part of

725
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: the reason that people say, wait, this is a bad

726
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: movie is because they don't understand how self aware of

727
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: the script actually do people say it's a bad movie, Yes, absolutely.

728
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't understand that this

729
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: film is legitimately good. There's a kind of, you know,

730
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: a whole caravan of people, especially like gay gays, that

731
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, it's so bad it's good,

732
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: which I love things that are so bad it's good.

733
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: But that's not I guess I just like, how have

734
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: been engaged with that part of it. I have only

735
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: interacted with people who genuinely love this movie. I think

736
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: the movie has like a like some beautiful like lessons

737
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: and themes that kind of come from what are there

738
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: the idea of being a wolf without a foot? Like

739
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: the monologue comes through because Share makes some presumptions about

740
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: like Nick Cage's former former romantic life, which in the

741
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: movie it's like his hand got chopped off by a

742
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: bread slicer and then his wife left him because he

743
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention because he was distracted by his brother,

744
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: which is like why there's a rift between them, right

745
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: and she kind of like pull She kind of says

746
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: right away, look like you're jaded by life. You've done

747
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: this to yourself, Like it's not about your hand, This

748
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: isn't about your hand, this is about you. And Nick

749
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Cage spins it around. He's like, you're doing the exact

750
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: same thing since you your husband died a decade ago.

751
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of like see each other's like

752
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: hurt or like they're kind of like tortured romantic past lives,

753
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: and that is like what makes them decide to have sex,

754
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the fact that

755
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: Share couldn't Share didn't have anything in common with Johnny

756
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: because her actual fiance because he's an idiot and he's

757
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: lived a charmed life, but she also seems to be

758
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: like a marriage of not convenience. But she's settling, yeah,

759
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, definitely settling. Yeah yeah, but that's I think.

760
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about this film is like, um, Sharon

761
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage, like they get spoiler, they get together in

762
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: the end and they get they said they're going to

763
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: get married. Um, they're probably not a great match for marriage,

764
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they may not. Actually

765
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: if you think about, like if there were a sequel,

766
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: like I don't think they would last as a couple.

767
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: I do. Well, Okay, we should get into that. But

768
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: my point is it's it actually the London. Whether the

769
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: relationship works or not has nothing to do with to me,

770
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: the key lesson, of the crucial lesson of the film,

771
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: which is that Share is falling in love with herself

772
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: and Ronnie happens to be a vehicle for that because

773
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: she's finally doing something that she just wants to do

774
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: instead of settling for something she has to. I also

775
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: think that if we're gonna like fan fictionify Moonstruck and

776
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: think about what would happen next, Like there is something

777
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: about like the cycle of what happens in families, and

778
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe like after Moonstruck, like she and Ronnie will end

779
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: up in this situation that her parents are in where

780
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: her dad's cheating on her mom, and like eventually she's like,

781
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: knock it off and they come back together because they

782
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: do think there's a tension in Moonstruck between responsibility and

783
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: passion and how those things play out in families, because

784
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, the father is having this affair with this woman,

785
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: and you know his wife like doesn't leave him. Um,

786
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: she just kind of remind him like you you know,

787
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: you're my husband, like, you know, knock it off. Well,

788
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: she says, well, first of all, she um Olympia Ducoccus.

789
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: After we're finding out that her husband is cheating on her,

790
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: goes on like a very innocent kind of dinner date

791
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: with the Fraser guy or whatever. And in this conversation

792
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: the dad from the dad from Fraser um And in

793
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: this conversation she goes, she's thinking about her husband cheating

794
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: on he and she goes, why do men chase women?

795
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: And he has this like kind of long like me

796
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: and you're an answer about like you know whatever, something stupid,

797
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: and she goes, I think it's because they fear death

798
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: and like, which is so true. It is absolutely true,

799
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think about it's so true. The thrill

800
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: of the chase is it's literally a production of testosterone

801
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: because before I transitioned, the way I thought about sex

802
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: was just about hunting it down and finding it, and

803
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: then the actual act itself was always like kind of anticlimactic,

804
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: considering it's a climax every time. Um, it was really

805
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: about the hunt, and like I was so much more

806
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: of a predator not a predator. Um, I mean that

807
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: is why when men the actual answer to why men

808
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: chase women is because they're all predators. Like yeah, but

809
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: it's it's true, like there is this like biological imperative

810
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: in men two hunt for sex like a wolf, and

811
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I like that Share in this movie like finds that

812
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: impulse within her to like be the wolf. Despite being

813
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: so much about like this traditional Italian American family. It

814
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: subverts this idea of fidelity and in the end, like

815
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: cheaters actually do prosper you know what I mean. I

816
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: love about it and it's really like, um, that's like

817
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, like the film ends with the man who

818
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Share has cheated on being welcomed into the family. Because

819
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: she is now in love with his brother. And the

820
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: end the movie is like as one big, happy, dysfunctional family,

821
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: and that feels really realistic. You know, families are complicated

822
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: and fucked up and people make bad decisions and life

823
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: goes on, which brings me to my favorite moment in

824
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: the entire film and the scene that I do have

825
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: tattooed on my leg, which is when Share and Nicolas

826
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: Cage have this. Basically, they've gone to the opera together.

827
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: Share is very moved by the opera. She catches her

828
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: dad cheating with this woman that kind of puts her

829
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: on a mental spin about her own infidelity and what

830
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: she's doing with Nicolas Cage, and so they have this

831
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: argument about love and why and Share is kind of

832
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: being like, we shouldn't be doing this, and Nicholas Cage

833
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: says love isn't perfect like stars are perfect, snowflakes are perfect,

834
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Like love is not supposed to be this like perfect

835
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: picture that you see at the end of a rom com.

836
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be messy and we're supposed to love

837
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: the wrong people. And that's why I love this movie,

838
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: is like there is something to take away from the

839
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: ways and the kind of molds that we fit our

840
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: own stories into because that's what you're supposed to do.

841
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to cheat on your partner. But they

842
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: are actually so many reasons, like for specific people's specific

843
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: lives why actually would be very legitimately rational to like

844
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: cheat on your partner or to fall in love with

845
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: someone new. That is, that could be the actual better

846
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: route for you. You could have a better partner by cheating,

847
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: And that doesn't make it right, but that does make

848
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: it an essential part of your destiny, which I think

849
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: is like the motif of the moon is like the

850
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: moon is about mysticism and serendipity and things just kind

851
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: of happening and being beautiful. Have you ever been cheated

852
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: on or been a cheater? I've never been cheated on. However,

853
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: I have been the other woman seven times. That's a

854
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: lot of times. But I you know, that's it wasn't

855
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say a lot of it was

856
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: when I was in college, and some of it was

857
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: with the same They were at least two of these

858
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: people where they cheated on multiple boyfriends with me, which

859
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: is I mean, I'm not like proud as I but

860
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: at the time I was like very like that's on them,

861
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: like this is about them, this is about you. Absolutely

862
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: are have also been the other woman, yeah, to to

863
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: married men. I've been the other woman to one married

864
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: man in situations where both like I knew what was

865
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: going on or like phone out after the fact, or

866
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: like it was just kind of implied and it's it's

867
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: really complicated, and you know you you I have certainly

868
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: never asked about it. Yeah, I don't either. You kind

869
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: of avoid it to like because you don't. You don't

870
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: you don't know what people's situations are. Although I certainly

871
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: think I don't think in any of the scenarios I've

872
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: been in, like these people were in an open relationship.

873
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: I think as as you know, queer people in one,

874
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: hopefully we're not getting into situations where anyone's cheating because

875
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: we are, you know, in open relationships or have partners

876
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: who are like polyamorous or you know, whatever the situation is.

877
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: But even in open relationships, like there can still be

878
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: in fidelity. And I think really what it comes down

879
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: to is is lying to your partner. It is and

880
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: that is like the crucial it's kind of a loophole

881
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: in the film is that like sure doesn't necessarily lie

882
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: to Johnny to get to where she is. She's just

883
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of like circumnavigated, I guess the truth to get

884
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: to that moment, the full circle of that old woman

885
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: as played by you Rose Doamu casting the curse on

886
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: the plane that Johnny is on. She basically like says,

887
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I put across on that plane, it's going to crash

888
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: and burn or whatever, and shares like I don't believe

889
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: in curses. Um, the fact that she cursed the plane,

890
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: that the curse came true, Johnny's wife basically cheated on

891
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: him and left him. It's like the curse kind of manifested,

892
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: and what is the perfect ending? So full circle is

893
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: so full circle? Well, I've never been in a monogamous

894
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: relationship before, so I've never been a cheater. I've had

895
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: partners who I've been dishonest too, and I think that

896
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: can be as devastating in relationships as infidelity, if not worse. Honestly,

897
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of like especially in like

898
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: sis hetero relationships, like infidelity is like this like a okay,

899
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: it's over, like fuck you, Like that's a final straw,

900
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: Like there's no way you can stay together after the

901
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: cheating happens, and like that's just, like, to me, such

902
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: a limiting way to think about your relationship. It's also

903
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: not realistic. I think, like I would imagine that most

904
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: monogamous couples have there has been some kind of infidelity

905
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: and whether they've talked about it or not, like they've

906
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: moved past it. I think probably the best example is

907
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: the Sex and City movie when Steve cheats on Miranda

908
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: and like it almost ends their marriage, but they you know,

909
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: decide mutually to move past it stay together. Wow, Esther

910
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Perel found dead. Um, I feel like Esther Perel, I

911
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: don't know how that is. Oh my god. The producer

912
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: Phoebe is freaking out as much as I am. Okay,

913
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: So Esther Perel is this relationships expert. She's Jewish and

914
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: she's like literally a genius, and she has a lot

915
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: of like teachings about like romance, especially like monogamous relationship romance.

916
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: But she has you know, whole book a doubt like

917
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: the artifice of infidelity as we've created it in Western culture,

918
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: and like how movies like rom coms have painted this

919
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: picture of cheating being the thing that you will never

920
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: get away with and everything else you can work through,

921
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which is so absurd, and

922
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: so that's again another beautiful thing about this movie is

923
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: like just painting a picture wherein infidelity actually is the

924
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: best fate for these protagonists, you know what I mean.

925
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: Do you ever see yourself wanting to be in a

926
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: monogamous relationship, a Monoga Mish relationship, Yes, for sure. I

927
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: think honestly, if we were painting the fan fick of

928
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: share in Knick Cage, they probably are gonna. If they

929
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: were to work, it would have to be like Monoga

930
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: Mish or like an open relationship or something. For me personally,

931
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I believe in love cycles, you know

932
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think I go through like moments

933
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: with people or in it's like really deep, really passionate,

934
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: really intimate and can be for a long long time,

935
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: but that those cycles have endings. And if that includes

936
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: like me being with a long term partner and then

937
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: maybe falling for a short term partner or something like that,

938
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I think that's much more realistic

939
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: than an idea of monogamy. What about you, I would

940
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: like to say that I don't think I'll ever want

941
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: to be in a monogamous relationship because it hasn't happened.

942
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: But I also know myself well enough to know that

943
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: I am secretly a romantic, and I if I was

944
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: in love with someone deeply enough that I wanted to

945
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: commit myself to them, I don't know if I could,

946
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: like be in an open relationship. Yeah, you don't think,

947
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. But for as

948
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: as jaded and cynical as I am and always have been,

949
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: especially in a way that's been applied to my relationships,

950
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: I really am a romantic and like believe in I

951
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: don't know true love. I don't know if I believe

952
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: in it for myself. We'll see, we'll see if it happens,

953
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: um But you know, like if who who knows? Like

954
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: if I will fall in love with someone in a

955
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: way so deeply where I can't imagine wanting to be

956
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: with someone else, and where I would be devastated if

957
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: they wanted someone else. I know that it's not fair

958
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: or realistic to expect that, you know, one person will

959
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: only want to be intimate with one person for the

960
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: rest of their lives. But I don't know. I do

961
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: feel like there's part of me that like wouldn't be

962
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: okay with it. You know. It's so funny though, is

963
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: that like the premise of that question that we hear

964
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: a lot of, like do you believe in love? Do

965
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: you believe in that kind of romance? Is really predicated

966
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: on this picture of this mainstream depiction of love that

967
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: we see in movies and books and whatever since the

968
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: dawn of time. It's like we have when we are

969
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: asked do you believe in love? They're actually asking do

970
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: you believe in this fairy tale kind of Oh? Absolutely?

971
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I know that my romanticism comes from the media I

972
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: consumed at a formative age, which is why this like

973
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: moon Strike is amazing. But like that's like our answers

974
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: should be like I don't believe in that version of love,

975
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: but like there's a version of perfect romance that maybe

976
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: doesn't check all the boxes that you think it needs

977
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: to check, that is still true love. Yes, absolutely. That's

978
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: one of the beautiful things about Moonstruck is it provides

979
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: a lens to like look at your life and your

980
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: relationships in like there is something for everyone in it.

981
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: It does the best thing art can do, which is

982
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: like tell a really specific story that also is extremely universal,

983
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: and it breaks down this like the dichotomy of the

984
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: bride and the wolf, the person who believes in love,

985
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: believes in the fantasy, and the person who's like jaded

986
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: by life and won't you know, accept it in It's like,

987
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: it's basically saying that there is like a medium between

988
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: these two things that can make you a perfectly well

989
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: rounded person. Honestly, this is like you and me. It's

990
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: like you're the wolf, I guess, and I'm the am

991
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: I the bride. Yeah, you're You're the bride and also believe,

992
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: but also like I'm secretly the bride. Yeah, you are,

993
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: and I'm secretly the wolf. Yeah, inside you there are

994
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: two wolves. One is one is Yes. Well, this is

995
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: our last episode of the year. I know we started

996
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: this kind of towards the end of the year, but

997
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: you us and the listeners are we're new friends. Yes,

998
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: And even though we've only done a few months of episodes.

999
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: Fran and I started working on this podcast almost a

1000
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: year ago at this point, basically in the new year. Yeah,

1001
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and it has been really beautiful to see y'all listen

1002
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: to it and respond to it and engage with it,

1003
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful for everyone who listens to this podcast.

1004
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to our producer Phoebe, everyone at I hear,

1005
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: our team and I heart who are so amazing. And

1006
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to Fran my co host, the Sister

1007
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: a rare on the record moment of genuine affection. It

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00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: won't last. I'm grateful for you too, Rose, And I'm

1009
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: thankful for all the Virgins. We love you, virgin, Grateful

1010
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: for what you're introducing to me next week. Oh yeah,

1011
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: So next up on our first episode of two, we

1012
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: will be talking about Twilight, which, to be totally honest,

1013
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: is maybe the purest like um kind of can see

1014
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: of this podcast in general. It's like something Rose genuinely

1015
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: showed me for the first time. Yes, and we will

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Speaker 1: be discussing it with the like number one Twilight stand

1017
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Speaker 1: I know other than myself. Peyton dix Um leave us

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