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Speaker 1: discussions of sensitive topics including violence, hate, crimes, and the
Speaker 1: use of discriminatory language and slurs. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2: In the criminal justice system, landmark trials transcend the courtroom
Speaker 2: to reshape the law. The brave many women who investigate
Speaker 2: and prosecute these cases are part of a select group
Speaker 2: that is defined American history. These are their stories. December eighth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, would be Island, Washington.
Speaker 1: The high speed pursuit for Allenburg's killers didn't end on
Speaker 1: a highway. It led to a bluff above Puget Sound,
Speaker 1: where a two story cabin sat silent in the dark,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't empty.
Speaker 3: Bob Matthews will not surrender, he refuses.
Speaker 1: He was armed, cornered and waiting.
Speaker 3: Darkness came. We decided to bring helicopters in.
Speaker 1: The choppers dropped low, the thump of their rotor blades
Speaker 1: cracked against the tree tops.
Speaker 3: Set them right down on top of the roof of
Speaker 3: Blowing shingles off the roof.
Speaker 4: The helicopter illuminated the rear of the house with a
Speaker 4: huge ten thousand kindlepower spotlight.
Speaker 1: It was meant to flush Matthews out and enable a
Speaker 1: safe arrest, but he had other plans.
Speaker 4: Matthews opened up on the helicopter with a AR fifteen.
Speaker 1: The battle had just begun.
Speaker 5: I got a call, get out to LaGuardia Airport.
Speaker 6: There's been a bombing.
Speaker 4: There was a thirty two foot crater in front of
Speaker 4: what was left of the building.
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out, Am I dead?
Speaker 3: Am I alive? Where am I?
Speaker 1: I'm Aniseega Nicolazzi.
Speaker 4: That's why terrorism works.
Speaker 5: It doesn't care who you are.
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Speaker 1: criminal justice system. The nineteen eighty four killing of Denver
Speaker 1: talk radio host Alan Berg had all the hallmarks of
Speaker 1: a targeted hit. Was it someone he defended on his
Speaker 1: show or was it part of something even bigger and
Speaker 1: more dangerous for law enforcement to get from suspicion to
Speaker 1: a courtroom that would take evidence and in the weeks
Speaker 1: after the shooting, FBI Special Agent Wayne Mannis started to
Speaker 1: collect what he needed.
Speaker 3: I am preparing to get a wealth of information out
Speaker 3: of the area. In Congress at the Area Nations Compound
Speaker 3: July nineteen eighty four. Larry and the police department over
Speaker 3: and Spokane. They've got some informants they're going to send
Speaker 3: in and I'll get privy for what's happening.
Speaker 1: It was one of the largest annual gatherings of white
Speaker 1: supremacists in the country. Wayne had been tracking them for months,
Speaker 1: but still didn't have the green light to do more.
Speaker 3: I complete this report to get authorization for a full
Speaker 3: scale investigation near the end of June, and I send
Speaker 3: it off. We go through the Aryan Compound in July
Speaker 3: and I still don't have authorization to do anything.
Speaker 1: All Wayne could do was watch and listen. But from
Speaker 1: the sidelines, Wayne saw something percolating that caught his attention.
Speaker 3: There was a guy that gave speeches there, a real
Speaker 3: charismatic and his name was Lewis Beam. Lewis Beam was
Speaker 3: a member of the k Clarks Klan out of Texas
Speaker 3: and former Vietnam guy. He was a machine gunner, so
Speaker 3: he has training and a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't Beam's combat record that made him dangerous.
Speaker 1: It was his ideas. Here again is terrorism researcher Michael Jensen.
Speaker 7: Beam was able to articulate a set of tactical ideas
Speaker 7: that became a key feature of the organization. One of
Speaker 7: the most important foundational ideas in this movement is the
Speaker 7: idea of leaderless resistance.
Speaker 1: Beam was more than another loud voice at the podium.
Speaker 1: He was shaping the white supremacist playbook.
Speaker 7: What Beam did was really to promote this idea that
Speaker 7: anyone in everyone could get involved in the movement. Don't
Speaker 7: wait for someone to come to you, start your own militia.
Speaker 7: As long as everyone agrees on the ideology and the
Speaker 7: tactics that they're willing to use, the movement will survive. Ultimately,
Speaker 7: what he wrote about leaderless resistance became a foundational belief
Speaker 7: for the movement.
Speaker 1: And by the time of the Aryan Congress, Beam had
Speaker 1: been brought into the fold by one of the very
Speaker 1: men Wain was watching, Robert Matthews.
Speaker 3: Unbeknownst to me, he's one of the guys that Bob
Speaker 3: has recruited as an Aryan warrior during the time of
Speaker 3: the aria In Congress, this guy's given us speech and
Speaker 3: he says, we've already eliminated one of the most prominent
Speaker 3: obnoxious Jews in our society. And of course I know
Speaker 3: alan Berg has been killed, so what are you going
Speaker 3: to think? That's what I'm thinking. This guy is saying
Speaker 3: we have done this.
Speaker 1: This was more than just rhetoric. It was an admission.
Speaker 3: So I called repde and I said, I'm wondering about
Speaker 3: this guy Lewis Beam. They said, well, we don't know
Speaker 3: about him, but we got a suspect. And the suspect
Speaker 3: is David Lane, who had a long and heated conversation
Speaker 3: with him, and Alan Bert just absolutely slaughtered him in
Speaker 3: the conversation. We think maybe David Lane. So he says,
Speaker 3: maybe you guys could take it up, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: you bet we will.
Speaker 1: Now wein had a name and an idea allen Berg's
Speaker 1: murder might not be an isolated act of violence, but
Speaker 1: potentially part of a much larger conspiracy and.
Speaker 3: Kind of read into what my thought process was at
Speaker 3: that time. All this criminal stuff is happening, and in
Speaker 3: my mind, I'm pushing it all into one group people. Yep.
Speaker 3: Can I prove it? No, I can't prove it, but.
Speaker 1: It's but you're starting to see it. You're starting to
Speaker 1: figure it out, like each spoke and how you're.
Speaker 3: Going to go after them exactly.
Speaker 1: Wayne had had a partial view, but now could see
Speaker 1: the entire wheel. Its spokes were made up of white
Speaker 1: supremacists and potential killers. The center was Bob Matthews. For weeks,
Speaker 1: Wayne had been circling Matthew's group. He had informants at
Speaker 1: Aryan nations, He had names and locations, but what he
Speaker 1: didn't have was permission to chase down either. That changed
Speaker 1: in early August.
Speaker 3: After their annual area in Congress. The report comes back
Speaker 3: in from the Attorney General's office and they said, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've got the authority to conduct a full scale investigation.
Speaker 3: Now the ropes.
Speaker 1: Are off and Wayne didn't waste time.
Speaker 3: So now they have sent me a first office agent
Speaker 3: out of Denver, five people out of San Francisco, couple
Speaker 3: from Los Angeles. I've got my little group now, maybe
Speaker 3: ten people.
Speaker 1: The team got right to work.
Speaker 3: I start to develop informants and I'm sending them in
Speaker 3: seeing which ones take which ones don't. And I've got
Speaker 3: several good informants inside the compound by the first of August.
Speaker 1: And in the summer of nineteen eighty four, while Weene
Speaker 1: was embedding informants and working to build a case, Matthews
Speaker 1: was plotting his next move.
Speaker 3: Bob Matthews and his group have decided they're going to
Speaker 3: move forward for another armored car robbery, and this one's
Speaker 3: going to be the granddaddy of all robberies.
Speaker 1: The target was a Brinks truck that take could be millions.
Speaker 3: Unbeknownst to us, Bob has recruited two people that worked
Speaker 3: for brinch headquarters. They're giving him all the inside information
Speaker 3: he needs. Now. They tell Bob there's a truck heading
Speaker 3: up a state pass over near Santa Rosa, California, and
Speaker 3: it's right for robbery.
Speaker 1: It was the type of mountain pass where you had
Speaker 1: to slow down, so that's exactly where they decided to strike.
Speaker 3: Bob pulled together ten people that are real hitters. They
Speaker 3: have people stationed along the highway that can announce on
Speaker 3: their radio. We passed my point. He is really slowing down,
Speaker 3: and they got these various vehicles. Some of them are
Speaker 3: up in front of the unit and some of them
Speaker 3: behind it, and Bob dispatches them at the right time,
Speaker 3: and so they move up. They force the armored truck
Speaker 3: on the steep part of the highway off the road,
Speaker 3: jump out, fully armed and They blocked the highway from
Speaker 3: both directions.
Speaker 1: With rifles aimed and keeping traffic at a standstill. They
Speaker 1: lifted a sign into the air and.
Speaker 3: The sign says, get out, up or die. One of
Speaker 3: the guys jumps up on the hood of the armored
Speaker 3: car and opens fire into the windows, and he's blasting
Speaker 3: out the windows. The guys inside the truck are terrified.
Speaker 3: They open the doors and they get out and they
Speaker 3: lay them on the ground. Now cars are starting to
Speaker 3: stack up on the highway, so there's somebody in the
Speaker 3: back of the truck that's got to open the door.
Speaker 3: It happens it's a woman. She doesn't open the truck door,
Speaker 3: and so they open fire on the back windows of
Speaker 3: that truck. She opens the door, Bob Matthews jumps inside
Speaker 3: and they line up in a caravan. Bob's throwing out
Speaker 3: money and they're passing throwing it, and he goes to
Speaker 3: the trunk of a car and one guy has got
Speaker 3: a stopwatch and he's counting the seconds. Twenty seconds, twenty
Speaker 3: five seconds, thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: They plotted every detail down to how many seconds they'd
Speaker 1: have before police would arrive. But even precision doesn't always
Speaker 1: proven mistakes.
Speaker 3: Bob's got a pistol shoved into the back of his pants,
Speaker 3: and in the process of bending over getting these bags
Speaker 3: of money and throwing them out, they're pretty heavy, the
Speaker 3: pistol falls out. He doesn't know it. Finally they figure, okay,
Speaker 3: that's time, let's go and if billions of dollars left
Speaker 3: in the truck. But they got what they could get.
Speaker 3: Now they're going to leave.
Speaker 1: They vanished up the mountain road.
Speaker 3: They got three point six million dollars out of that.
Speaker 1: Robbery left in their wake or shell casings, a terrified
Speaker 1: Brink's crew, and the gun. It didn't take long before
Speaker 1: the FBI had it.
Speaker 3: We traced the gun, we find out it was sold
Speaker 3: to a guy named Andrew Barnhill, find out everything we
Speaker 3: can about him, and we find where he was arrested
Speaker 3: in Madrid, Oregon. He had checked into a hotel and
Speaker 3: picked up a prostitute and that's how he ended up
Speaker 3: getting questioned and arrested. But on his motel receipt he
Speaker 3: listed an address in Laclead, Idaho.
Speaker 1: Just an hour north of the compound. Wayne had watched
Speaker 1: in Courdeline. His team headed up, but they weren't the
Speaker 1: first ones to get there.
Speaker 3: The neighbors tell me, well, there was about a dozen
Speaker 3: people here just two days ago. They left. They were
Speaker 3: there two days before we got there, in that house
Speaker 3: fully armed. Had we showed up and they were there,
Speaker 3: you could imagine that would have been a terrible gun battle.
Speaker 1: Having just missed their suspects. They searched the house where
Speaker 1: Wayne found something odd that peaud his interest.
Speaker 3: So I'm searching this place and I find a little
Speaker 3: box and it's got Andrew Barnes's most personal stuff in it,
Speaker 3: even his baby teeth in an envelope. But on the
Speaker 3: bottom of this ste of all this stuff is a
Speaker 3: newspaper clipping cut out with scissors, and it's on the
Speaker 3: armored car robbery in Seattle Bingo. Now, who's gonna do
Speaker 3: that unless it's got real meaning to him? Yep, So
Speaker 3: we know we're onto the right path.
Speaker 1: The pieces to this puzzle were all about to come together.
Speaker 3: Call everybody together at our headquarters office in Butte, Montana.
Speaker 3: We got everybody together. We got a blackboard up there.
Speaker 3: The secretary says, when you've got an important call from
Speaker 3: the office in Philadelphia and it's FBI agent lou vs
Speaker 3: good agent. He had gotten a call from Secret Service.
Speaker 3: They just captured a guy passing Bob's counterfeit money. Guy's
Speaker 3: name is Tom Martinez.
Speaker 1: And Tom Martinez had a lot to say.
Speaker 3: Guy says there's an art organization involved. He's more worried
Speaker 3: about what the organization will do to him than what
Speaker 3: we could do to him.
Speaker 1: During the interview, Martinez said something that would label this
Speaker 1: case forever.
Speaker 3: Martinez is a member of a group called The Order.
Speaker 3: The Order is a group that was formed by Bob
Speaker 3: Matthews based on a book that was written by a
Speaker 3: guy named William Pearce. Now, this guy wrote a book
Speaker 3: called The Turner Diaries, and Turner Diaries is a fictional
Speaker 3: book about a group of guys. They get together and
Speaker 3: they form a little army. They want to kill all
Speaker 3: the Jews and take over the United States.
Speaker 1: This book became a sacred text for white supremacists to
Speaker 1: cross the country. Here's Michael Jensen again.
Speaker 7: The Turner Diaries tells this fictional story of an anti
Speaker 7: government group overcoming the tyranny of the US government through
Speaker 7: large scale violence.
Speaker 3: Fictionally, they manage to do that, and they take over
Speaker 3: an air Force space and they're in controllable missile and
Speaker 3: eventually they take over the JEdgar Hoover Building in Worston,
Speaker 3: d C. And they take over the country, and they
Speaker 3: call themselves the Order.
Speaker 7: I think it would be hard to find another contemporary
Speaker 7: text that has been more influential among not only the
Speaker 7: groups that were active in the late seventies through the
Speaker 7: mid nineteen nineties, but that are active today. The Turner
Speaker 7: Diaries is still widely read by.
Speaker 1: Extremists, and it would become clear that Robert matthews belief
Speaker 1: system was modeled after those writings.
Speaker 3: This is his bible. He's doing everything like they do
Speaker 3: it in this book, and so far he's dead on
Speaker 3: everything he's done. This book is my guide map.
Speaker 1: After that phone call, investigators moved and Tom Martinez became
Speaker 1: a cooperator.
Speaker 3: Martinez knows everything. He knows locations, places, he knows Bob Matthews,
Speaker 3: he knows every member of the Order. He's a gold by.
Speaker 1: The FBI finally knew exactly what it was chasing a
Speaker 1: terrorist organization, and now they had an informant inside. But
Speaker 1: Bob Matthews was still out there and he had no
Speaker 1: intention of stopping. The Order was a group that had
Speaker 1: devised a plan for everything including how to evate detection.
Speaker 3: The order is so organized. They have a guy in
Speaker 3: their group and he set up a relay for them
Speaker 3: where they can make phone calls from their headquarters office
Speaker 3: that are not traceable. They would rent a house, put
Speaker 3: the phone in the house, and that phone number. They
Speaker 3: called it the bear trap. Each of their members, no
Speaker 3: matter where they are, have to call this one particular
Speaker 3: phone number every day and check in. Then thirty days
Speaker 3: later they pull out of that in another house, put
Speaker 3: a different phone number in that house, and that's the
Speaker 3: bear trap number that's given to everybody.
Speaker 1: But by the fall of nineteen eighty four they had
Speaker 1: started to get sloppy. As Wayne tracked their movements, they
Speaker 1: would sometimes slip and call house phones instead.
Speaker 3: We found that a number of phone calls were made
Speaker 3: to a number in Sandpoint, Idaho. We tracked that number down.
Speaker 3: It's registered guy named Jerry Oldboo, and we set up
Speaker 3: a ser on this house. After a couple of hours,
Speaker 3: a guy walks out of the house and gets on
Speaker 3: a motorcycle and I said, you know who that guy is.
Speaker 3: I get a photo of him right here. It's Gary Yarborough.
Speaker 3: That's not a Jerry Old boob. That's Gary Yarborough.
Speaker 1: The same guy Wayne had spotted in the Spokane armored
Speaker 1: truck robbery. And now they watched him drive across the
Speaker 1: street to use a payphone, even though there was a
Speaker 1: working landline inside.
Speaker 3: Why does the guy who's got a perfectly good phone
Speaker 3: in his house get on a motorcycle drive two hundred
Speaker 3: yards to a payphone and make a phone call. We
Speaker 3: got to get a dump off that payphone, so we do,
Speaker 3: and I find the number that was called was to
Speaker 3: a place in Boise. That's where the counterfeitters are staying.
Speaker 3: Right there.
Speaker 1: Everything was starting to align, and as he tracked Gary Yarborough,
Speaker 1: Wayne's wall of evidence canntinued to grow.
Speaker 3: We found out he had a storage facility in court
Speaker 3: a lane. So I got a surreptitious search warrant. It's
Speaker 3: a search warrant that allows you to make a surreptitious entry,
Speaker 3: search the place and lead so nobody ever knows you searched.
Speaker 1: It surreptitious or a secret. And I can tell you
Speaker 1: that getting one of those is definitely not the norm
Speaker 1: and harder to obtain.
Speaker 3: I searched it and back in the corner I found
Speaker 3: a silencer that would fit them back ten.
Speaker 1: The same weapon used to kill Denver talk radio host
Speaker 1: Alan Berg.
Speaker 3: I went up inside it. I initial it and dated
Speaker 3: it where you'd never see it. I put it back
Speaker 3: and backed out.
Speaker 1: It was also becoming clear that Yarborough was getting nervous.
Speaker 3: As surveillances often work, At some point in time, he
Speaker 3: must have got suspicious that were following him. He suddenly,
Speaker 3: overnight moves out of this house that we've been watching,
Speaker 3: and he shows up in a house next to the
Speaker 3: National Forest boundary northwest of Standpoint.
Speaker 1: The Forest Service confirmed the location. Suddenly things escalated.
Speaker 3: An agent named Mike Johnston drives in there and he's
Speaker 3: got two agents with him. What he's trying to do
Speaker 3: is just get a look at the place. He drives
Speaker 3: very close to the house and Gary Yarborough comes out
Speaker 3: with a forty five and opens fire on him.
Speaker 1: Luckily, no one was hit. Agents temporarily pulled back. They
Speaker 1: returned later that night, but he had slipped away.
Speaker 3: Unbeknownst to us, Gary Yarborough was standing outside the house
Speaker 3: when they came in on the raid, so he dived
Speaker 3: into a ditch and made his way to a place
Speaker 3: where he could call anywhere. Bob Matthews had him picked up.
Speaker 3: And while we're doing the search in the house, Gary
Speaker 3: has escaped.
Speaker 1: But what he left behind was startling.
Speaker 3: Inside his house, we find a shrine to Hitler's room
Speaker 3: and it's got a huge Nazi flag on the wall,
Speaker 3: and then it's got Nazi shoulder and signis and pictures
Speaker 3: of Hitler on the walls, and then it's got the
Speaker 3: mac tin on a table.
Speaker 1: Remember, Matthews had ordered him to get rid of the gun,
Speaker 1: but instead Yarborough held onto it as a trophy part
Speaker 1: of his twisted shrine.
Speaker 3: Well break, So we've got the weapon. We send it
Speaker 3: off to the lab and they'll be able to compare
Speaker 3: it against the bullets that were recovered from Alan Birch's body.
Speaker 1: While Ween and his team were on the Order's trail,
Speaker 1: it's leader, Bob Matthews was staying one step ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, Yard Brool gets away, but we've got this valuable
Speaker 3: piece of evidence and Matthews has been notified. Sol Matthews
Speaker 3: says where it wore.
Speaker 1: Matthew's called the counterfeiting house, which unbeknownst to him, had
Speaker 1: already been compromised.
Speaker 3: He calls and says abandon the residents immediately take the
Speaker 3: printing press, take all the papers, everything, and get out
Speaker 3: of there. So they run a U haul trailer and
Speaker 3: they put the printing press in the trailer. They take
Speaker 3: all the documents and everything, and they abandon the house.
Speaker 3: But I got a team of agents watching the house,
Speaker 3: and frankly, I want to start taking people down.
Speaker 1: Wayne's superior didn't agree.
Speaker 3: He wants to keep the surveillance and the covert activity going.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking it's a big mistake. We've got enough stuff.
Speaker 3: It's time to start taking people down and interview it
Speaker 3: and examine any evidence.
Speaker 1: The higher ups stood firm, no takedown, not yet.
Speaker 3: So our agents follow the U haul trailer with all
Speaker 3: that stuff and they stop and they go into a
Speaker 3: hotel to make some phone calls. While they're making a
Speaker 3: phone call in a lounge, two guys come in and
Speaker 3: sit down at a table relatively close to where they are.
Speaker 1: Before agents could move in, the men got nervous and left.
Speaker 1: They walked out of the hotel, unhitched the U haul
Speaker 1: and drove away. Wayne's men followed but eventually lost them.
Speaker 1: The trailer they left behind was seized, and when agents
Speaker 1: searched it, they found a gold mine.
Speaker 3: We got a U haul with the printing press and
Speaker 3: tons of information. That's very incriminating because this is their
Speaker 3: headquarters office.
Speaker 1: It was evidence of the orders inner workings, but most
Speaker 1: of their members had disappeared, slipping from one safe house
Speaker 1: to another. But soon Wayne got his next unexpected break.
Speaker 3: We find another phone call from a payphone. This phone
Speaker 3: number is in Troy, Montana. By the time we get there,
Speaker 3: the house is abandoned.
Speaker 1: But an unsettling sign was left behind.
Speaker 3: There's a fire pit, and there's a cardboard fixture of
Speaker 3: a state trooper on a tree, and it's been all
Speaker 3: shot up. So I pick up all the brass on
Speaker 3: the ground. Then I go over and I dig some
Speaker 3: bullets out of the tree, and I send the bullets
Speaker 3: and the casings off the FBI headquarters.
Speaker 1: As they sifted through the fire pit, Wayne and his
Speaker 1: team turned up more than just shellcasings. They uncovered another.
Speaker 3: Clue, partially burnt piece of paper. It's got an address
Speaker 3: on it, So we go to that address. Find out
Speaker 3: this is a guy that trains dogs and he identifies
Speaker 3: from a photograph. He picks out one of Bruce Carroll
Speaker 3: Peers and he says, they've got this big Rottwiler dog
Speaker 3: and he left it here for me to train it,
Speaker 3: and he gave me six thousand dollars and said he'd
Speaker 3: pick it up later. He said, well, do you have
Speaker 3: the six thousand? Yeah, I do, and so let me
Speaker 3: see it. He brings it to me. It's got wrappers
Speaker 3: on it that matched the money stolen out of the
Speaker 3: brake truck.
Speaker 1: Now there's a break. We got the evidence, and soon
Speaker 1: there was even more. The casings recovered from the cardboard
Speaker 1: State Trooper target had been analyzed at the lab.
Speaker 3: They come back and say, up, these casings and bullets
Speaker 3: were fired from this gun they killed Allenburg. Jeez. So
Speaker 3: now we got the gun matching the bullets out of
Speaker 3: Allenberg's body, and we got these casings and everything that
Speaker 3: we took from Bruce Carrol Pears's house. Everything started to
Speaker 3: go together pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, from money spent at dog Kennel's to ballistics.
Speaker 1: The case against the order was getting stronger by the day.
Speaker 1: All that was left to do now was catch Matthew's crew,
Speaker 1: and the FBI finally caught a break with Tom Martinez,
Speaker 1: Wayne's informant.
Speaker 3: In November. Martinez gets a phone call. Bob Matthews says,
Speaker 3: I want you to come and join me. Meet me
Speaker 3: in Portland. I'll meet you at the airport.
Speaker 1: The FBI made sure Martinez wasn't going on his own.
Speaker 1: They booked him a flight, wired the motel, and then
Speaker 1: stayed close. But once Matthews showed up, plans changed.
Speaker 3: Bob Matthews made him at the airport and he takes
Speaker 3: him to his car. Gary Yarborough is in the car
Speaker 3: with a rifle, military style rifle. Martinez is scared to
Speaker 3: death because he's always been worried about Yarborough, had a
Speaker 3: lot of fear of him. They start to driving away
Speaker 3: from the airport and he says, here's where I'm staying.
Speaker 3: He's got the address that we had set up and everything.
Speaker 3: Bob says to him, no, you're not. You're gonna be
Speaker 3: staying where we're staying, the Capri Hotel. We're right above
Speaker 3: you in room fourteen. That's where you're going. So now
Speaker 3: he's panicked because he thinks we don't know where he is.
Speaker 1: As soon as they arrived at the Caprime Hotel, Matthews
Speaker 1: took Tom Martinez upstairs to one of the rooms.
Speaker 3: And The room is filled with guns, ammunition, explosives, paperwork
Speaker 3: stacked up along the walls, and they begin to make
Speaker 3: the pitch to him. You know, you give you one
Speaker 3: of us now, and you will never regret this, because
Speaker 3: you're going to be a person with a position of importance.
Speaker 1: Martinez was panicked, unsure what to do next. He stayed
Speaker 1: in his room until that evening, then slipped out to
Speaker 1: grab a bite.
Speaker 3: He walks in the cross shop to get something to eat,
Speaker 3: and he looks across the counter and he sees one
Speaker 3: of the agents that had interviewed him. She passes a
Speaker 3: word to him. Everything's Fine's go back to your room,
Speaker 3: don't leave again. Just sit tight because everything's gonna come down.
Speaker 1: Martinez went back to the motel and waited. The takedown
Speaker 1: began before dawn in a corner of northeast Portland. Law
Speaker 1: enforcement arrived at the Capri Hotel. Two of the most
Speaker 1: wanted domestic terrorists in the country. We're asleep inside.
Speaker 4: The night that they flew in. Our surveillance group picked
Speaker 4: them up when they landed at Portland and they rented
Speaker 4: a vehicle and then drove to the Capri Hotel.
Speaker 1: And as soon as agents touched down. They were preparing
Speaker 1: to move in. Here's one of those agents.
Speaker 4: My name is Kenneth Loven Lvin and at the time
Speaker 4: I was assigned as a supervisory special Agent with the
Speaker 4: FBI to the Portland Division.
Speaker 1: Ken was newly assigned to the case.
Speaker 4: I received a call from the supervisor and he briefed
Speaker 4: me that there would be a couple of individuals flying
Speaker 4: into Portland, Oregon that night. They were a part of
Speaker 4: a very dangerous group known as the Order, the White
Speaker 4: Supremacist organization.
Speaker 1: And now they were in Ken's jurisdiction.
Speaker 4: We observed them check in to the Caprix Hotel. We
Speaker 4: made contact with the manager of the Caprix Hotel and
Speaker 4: determined that they had a seven am wake up call
Speaker 4: the next morning.
Speaker 1: The plan was to wait until morning and then either
Speaker 1: intercept them or followed them as they left the motel,
Speaker 1: but Matthews had his own plan. At five point thirty am,
Speaker 1: he opened his door.
Speaker 4: Robert Matthews stepped out and I had agents dispersed in
Speaker 4: various rooms on the second floor of the Capri Hotel.
Speaker 4: It was basically dark, and he looked around, went to
Speaker 4: the railing overlooking the parking lot, looked for anything that
Speaker 4: might be suspicious in his mind, and then he re
Speaker 4: entered his room.
Speaker 1: Moments later Matthews re emerged.
Speaker 4: He came out again alone, closed the door, started walking
Speaker 4: down the gangway. He walked right by a room that
Speaker 4: I was in with other agents, and we decided that
Speaker 4: when he got a few steps further, we were going
Speaker 4: to grab him, take him, and then go over and
Speaker 4: approach Yarborough in his room. Well in that noise was
Speaker 4: of course created and I was shouting FBI wheese, do
Speaker 4: not move, and Robert Matthews immediately gave flight.
Speaker 3: Bob jumps over the rails and takes off running down
Speaker 3: the street and two agents are following him at a
Speaker 3: fast pace.
Speaker 4: He was running as fast as he could run.
Speaker 1: The chase was on. Matthews tore through the neighborhood with
Speaker 1: FBI agents close behind.
Speaker 3: The front guy is armed with a handgun. Kenneth Lovin
Speaker 3: is carrying a shotgun. They're moving in on Bob.
Speaker 4: I chased him for about four or five blocks. Well,
Speaker 4: this time it is becoming just very first light of
Speaker 4: the morning.
Speaker 3: Bob suddenly makes a turner's about an eight foot wall
Speaker 3: that encompasses the yard. He makes a sharp right turn
Speaker 3: behind that wall and then button hooks and comes back.
Speaker 3: He comes around the corner with a pistol.
Speaker 4: I heard gunfire. The agent yelled out, I have been hit.
Speaker 3: The agent is down.
Speaker 1: Fortunately the wound wasn't critical. As Ken got close to
Speaker 1: his injured colleague, he suddenly detected movement.
Speaker 4: Robert Matthews had been hiding behind a large cement wall
Speaker 4: covered with ivy. All I could see is one hand
Speaker 4: with a handgun in it. He was about to shoot
Speaker 4: again at my fellow agent, and I yelled, and at
Speaker 4: that he cranked off either two or three rounds at me.
Speaker 4: I then returned fire with my shotgun, basically blowing off
Speaker 4: his right hand.
Speaker 1: But even that didn't stop him.
Speaker 3: Matthews turns and runs. Kenneth gives aid and support to
Speaker 3: the wounded agent.
Speaker 4: He wasn't bleeding profusely. He wasn't in a life threatening situation.
Speaker 3: Bob flags down a car. His hand is bleeding and
Speaker 3: he tells the guy, I caught my hand and the
Speaker 3: fan belt in my car. Can you get me to
Speaker 3: a hospital? And the guy says, yeah, jump in.
Speaker 4: And that's where he was last seen by anybody that
Speaker 4: we could identify.
Speaker 1: And just like that, A bleeding but very much alive
Speaker 1: Bob Matthews disappeared into the cloudy Portland terrain. For the FBI,
Speaker 1: this manhunt was only just beginning. Agents fanned out in
Speaker 1: canvass the surrounding area, and when they questioned a local
Speaker 1: gas station clerk.
Speaker 4: The gas station attendant said he had severely injured himself.
Speaker 4: There was blood all over the paper towels, and he
Speaker 4: seemed to be an excruciating pain. He approached a couple
Speaker 4: and they were en route to Mount Hood's ski facility.
Speaker 4: Matthews asked him if they would be kind enough to
Speaker 4: give him a ride up the road, and he said,
Speaker 4: if you'll let me out, I'll go to my house
Speaker 4: and I'll get some assistance. And they gave him a
Speaker 4: ride for about four or five miles. He finally said,
Speaker 4: my home is just off the highway here a short
Speaker 4: distance back in the trees. So the Good Samaritans lay
Speaker 4: out and that was the last they saw.
Speaker 1: Of Matthews had once again slipped through the FBI's fingers,
Speaker 1: but they kept moving in getting closer each time. They
Speaker 1: found the couple by tracing their credit card and began
Speaker 1: to scour the mountain and we.
Speaker 4: Spent hours and hours and hours. We stayed in that
Speaker 4: neighborhood for the rest of the night, and the next
Speaker 4: day we found a cabin type home that we saw
Speaker 4: a couple vehicles go in and out during the day
Speaker 4: and always was males, not couples, and so we began
Speaker 4: to focus our attention on one home in that area
Speaker 4: that we thought could be what we were looking for.
Speaker 1: And as they watched the cabin, a white pickup truck
Speaker 1: pulled out of the driveway.
Speaker 4: We had an air surveillance as well his ground surveillance
Speaker 4: on that vehicle. We followed it for probably forty miles.
Speaker 4: We decided that we would try to make a car stop,
Speaker 4: but before we could get our vehicles in a position,
Speaker 4: he exited the interstate and started going down dirt roads.
Speaker 4: He had obviously made the surveillance and was trying to
Speaker 4: shake us, so I lit him up with the lights
Speaker 4: and he stopped. We determined very quickly he was a
Speaker 4: member of the klu Klux Klan. There was a warrant
Speaker 4: for him, and we had a sought off shotgun in
Speaker 4: the back of his pickup.
Speaker 1: Ken and his team brought in the driver and by
Speaker 1: later that night they'd struck a deal.
Speaker 4: He would provide us how many people and who all
Speaker 4: they were by name, and that they had gone up
Speaker 4: to the Seattle area. He was to make contact the
Speaker 4: next morning, to be taken later that afternoon to a
Speaker 4: place out on Woodbey Island.
Speaker 1: We'd be Island is a remote area of coastline north
Speaker 1: of Seattle, Washington, and now the likely refuge of an
Speaker 1: armed separatist preparing for battle. Bob Matthews had been ready
Speaker 1: in his troops.
Speaker 3: He pulls them all together and he tells them we
Speaker 3: are now in a full state of war. Our demand
Speaker 3: of Congress is going to be that they give us
Speaker 3: five Northwestern states which will be under our care, control
Speaker 3: and custody. These will no longer be states of the
Speaker 3: United States of America, and that we demand this or
Speaker 3: there's going to be massy chaos, massive loss of life.
Speaker 3: Because we have a plan.
Speaker 1: For days, the house on would Be Islands sat under
Speaker 1: Federal watch agents observed from tree lines, Coastguard patrols sealed
Speaker 1: off the water.
Speaker 4: The FBI's hostage rescue team from Washington, DC took charge
Speaker 4: of the whole scene. Or two and a half three
Speaker 4: more days just surveilling that house and making sure that
Speaker 4: no one came out that wasn't apprehended.
Speaker 1: And one by one, members of the order were arrested.
Speaker 4: Slowly but surely. We picked off the group one or
Speaker 4: two at a time as they would go to maybe
Speaker 4: get groceries or supplies, and we would stop them and
Speaker 4: arrest them. So I'm sure that that became a clue
Speaker 4: to Robert Matthews that once you leave here, they were
Speaker 4: being picked off by law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Until only one man remained.
Speaker 3: Bob Matthews will not surrender, he refuses.
Speaker 1: Hostage negotiators tried to get him to leave the house,
Speaker 1: but were unsuccessful. As night fell, the lead negotiator decided
Speaker 1: it was time to switch tactics.
Speaker 3: Turns to me. He says, Wayne, there's no hostage anymore,
Speaker 3: so I can't stay here and Bob will not surrender.
Speaker 3: So it's decided that we will employ swap teams try
Speaker 3: to get about.
Speaker 1: They converged from all over.
Speaker 3: We had swapped teams from Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, Denver, and Butte, which was the swap
Speaker 3: team I.
Speaker 4: Was on, and we had the house completely surrounded with
Speaker 4: the exception of the back of the house because you
Speaker 4: had to walk no further than maybe ten or twelve steps,
Speaker 4: and it was about a two hundred foot drop off
Speaker 4: right down to the shoreline of Puget Sound, So we
Speaker 4: were not concerned that anyone could come out of that
Speaker 4: and escape.
Speaker 1: The FBI began to move in.
Speaker 4: We deployed tear gas for over an hour, and we
Speaker 4: saw our detective no movement, no sounds of him moving
Speaker 4: around or anything. Then we decided we would elevate to
Speaker 4: a higher concentration and more volume of tear gas was
Speaker 4: then administered within the residence. That went on for period
Speaker 4: of two two and a half.
Speaker 1: Hours, but Matthews didn't come out. So they next sent
Speaker 1: canine officers and their dogs into the house.
Speaker 4: And the dog supposedly could handle tear gas and was
Speaker 4: not affected by it. The owner stayed on the main
Speaker 4: floor and the dog went through every room up in
Speaker 4: the house and did not react to any type of
Speaker 4: human presence or someone that was alive. That made us
Speaker 4: believe that Matthews might have succumbed to excessive tear gas.
Speaker 1: And SWAT took it from there.
Speaker 3: One agent throws a flash bang and grenade through a
Speaker 3: window into the ground floor. It's a type of thing
Speaker 3: that's got such a shock value that people actually just freeze.
Speaker 3: And the team goes in through the front door, and
Speaker 3: I ducked the windows out on the side guindow, so
Speaker 3: I've got them covered as they're going in.
Speaker 1: Then just as they entered the ground floor.
Speaker 4: Robert Matthews opened up with an AR fifteen and shot
Speaker 4: through the floor down into the main floor of the home.
Speaker 3: At that point, I had made some racket and Bob
Speaker 3: Matthews knew where I was because he could hear the noise,
Speaker 3: so he opened fire on me, and I took about
Speaker 3: five or ten rounds just inches above my head. Debris
Speaker 3: fell on top of the wool hat I was wearing
Speaker 3: where the bullets passed through.
Speaker 1: All we could do was try and take cover.
Speaker 3: We can't shoot because we don't have a target. That's
Speaker 3: an FBI premise. You might be able to see what
Speaker 3: you're shooting at. He can't shoot it a sound, but
Speaker 3: he was shooting that sounds. Then another agent off to
Speaker 3: the left of me, about fifteen feet inside the house
Speaker 3: in the corner. He ran across the house to the
Speaker 3: other side. When he did that made a noise, and
Speaker 3: Bob opened up and took out that corner where he'd
Speaker 3: been standing.
Speaker 1: Agents scrambled to shield themselves from the barrage of gunfire
Speaker 1: as they strategized their next move.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, no agents were hit and they immediately vacated the house, so.
Speaker 3: We pulled out went back into the woods to make
Speaker 3: another ploy as it got dark that night.
Speaker 1: Matthews had military training, heavy weapons and showed every sign
Speaker 1: he'd fight to the death, but that wouldn't stop the agents.
Speaker 3: Darkness came and we decided to bring helicopters in.
Speaker 4: The helicopter flew out over Puget Sound and illuminated the
Speaker 4: rear of the house with a huge ten thousand kindlepower spotlight.
Speaker 3: Helicopters are very frightening when they sit right down on
Speaker 3: top of you. That's what we did, set them right
Speaker 3: down on top of the roof, blowing shingles off the roof.
Speaker 1: But even the helicopters did work.
Speaker 4: Matthews opened up on the helicopter with his AR fifteen.
Speaker 4: Helicopter immediately left the area.
Speaker 1: Then he turned his rifle back towards the ground.
Speaker 3: Bob went over and he opened fire on the team
Speaker 3: on the west side of the building. They fired back
Speaker 3: I'm standing in a little patch of trees. He must
Speaker 3: have had night vision equipment. He opens up on me
Speaker 3: from the upstairs went down, bulletsters slapping into the trees
Speaker 3: around me, and I've got an MPK five, fully automatic,
Speaker 3: so I open up into his muzzle fire, firing bursts
Speaker 3: of five rounds, and he's doing about the same. And
Speaker 3: I can't figure out why he's not down because I
Speaker 3: was a very good shot and I was shooting directly
Speaker 3: into his muzzle blasts. But I found out he did
Speaker 3: have body armor. He was probably hurt, but we were
Speaker 3: killing him. They fired the flare into the house to
Speaker 3: light up the bottom of the house so we could
Speaker 3: see if he went downstairs.
Speaker 1: That caused a fire, and it was spreading quickly, and.
Speaker 3: We're standing there twenty yards apart, just firing back and forth,
Speaker 3: fire burning in a house down below. Then the fire
Speaker 3: reaches the upstairs area, and I can hear rounds being
Speaker 3: popped off, because that's what they do when fire gets
Speaker 3: to them. The realms explode, the bullets go somewhere, and
Speaker 3: it sounded like there were a thousand or more bullets
Speaker 3: going every witch direction until eventually it was just quiet,
Speaker 3: and I stood there.
Speaker 1: Bob Matthews never came out of that house.
Speaker 3: And the cabin burned, burned, burned to the ground. And
Speaker 3: I stood there all night with my rifle shouldered, and
Speaker 3: then at first daylight I walked forward and when I
Speaker 3: got to the cabin, there at the edge of the
Speaker 3: foundation was re forced iron tobb ceramic inside that had
Speaker 3: fallen from the upstairs floor to the ground stairs floor,
Speaker 3: and Bob's body was inside it.
Speaker 4: He had submerged himself in a bathtub using a straw
Speaker 4: like device to breathe air, but it cooked him live.
Speaker 1: The manhunt was officially over here again, his former special
Speaker 1: agent Ken Lovin.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever done anything. I don't believe
Speaker 4: anyone else had. For that duration of time twenty four
Speaker 4: to seven that we were literally on edge and we
Speaker 4: knew that any mishap somebody would be killed at any
Speaker 4: given time was extremely high tension.
Speaker 1: For Wayne too. It was complicated.
Speaker 3: It was a really mixed emotion thing. I was glad
Speaker 3: there was no probability that he was going to kill
Speaker 3: one of us. I was sad that he didn't just surrender,
Speaker 3: and I could have sat down and had an opportunity
Speaker 3: to question him to have all my questions answered that
Speaker 3: only he could answer.
Speaker 1: Once the fire went cold, they just packed up and
Speaker 1: moved on.
Speaker 4: That's the way it is. There was no downtime, no
Speaker 4: vacation time, There was nothing. When this one was over,
Speaker 4: we went right back into the next biggest fish that
Speaker 4: we could catch.
Speaker 1: But Bob Matthews and all the hate and danger he
Speaker 1: represented stayed with them. Without their leader, would the order survive.
Speaker 3: They were dedicated to him, but they weren't committed to
Speaker 3: the cause. Bob was committed to the cause. They used
Speaker 3: to tell an old joke. They'd say that when you
Speaker 3: sit down to breakfast of ham and eggs, the chicken
Speaker 3: they gave you those eggs was dedicated. The hog they
Speaker 3: gave you that ham was committed. Bob was committed.
Speaker 1: Bob Matthews was dead, but his cause and his followers
Speaker 1: didn't die with him, and neither did the threat.
Speaker 3: They had an organization of people that were counterfeiting Robin banks,
Speaker 3: cash couriers, armored car trucks. They did assassinations, they did bombings,
Speaker 3: and when you think about it, that's a rarity you
Speaker 3: seldom come across an organization that crosses so many criminal lines.
Speaker 1: And no one had yet been held accountable for Allenberg's murder.
Speaker 1: The man who was believed to have pulled the trigger,
Speaker 1: Bruce Carrol Pearce, was still out there and he was
Speaker 1: Wayne's next target. That opportunity came when Pierce was arrested
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Wayne went down to interview.
Speaker 3: Him, and he admitted to every crime that he and
Speaker 3: the others had committed.
Speaker 1: Pierce confessed to armored car robberies, the counterfeiting operation, and
Speaker 1: his key role in the Order's violent campaign, but he
Speaker 1: stopped short when it came to Allenberg's murder.
Speaker 3: I knew that he was the trigger man. He said, Well,
Speaker 3: let me ask you. If a man was the trigger man,
Speaker 3: and that man confessed and cooperated in the trial, could
Speaker 3: that man be guaranteed that he wouldn't get the death penalty?
Speaker 3: And the only thing I could tell him was I said,
Speaker 3: in that scenario, I would take the cooperation to the
Speaker 3: United States attorney, who can take it to the federal
Speaker 3: judge and a decision can be made. But I can't
Speaker 3: make that promise, And he said, I want a lawyer
Speaker 3: before we discussed the Allenburg matter.
Speaker 1: That's where the converse station ended. But the case against
Speaker 1: the Order now began that September in Seattle. In nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five, ten Order members stood trial together in what
Speaker 1: became the government's sweeping RICO case against the group. Alan
Speaker 1: Berg's murder became a part of that case.
Speaker 8: The Denver murderers was included in the indictment as murder
Speaker 8: under the Denver statutes. And you're allowed to do that
Speaker 8: under RICO because it incorporates that crime as part of
Speaker 8: a pattern of racketeering activities. So they weren't charged separately
Speaker 8: with the murder, I mean in a separate murder trial.
Speaker 1: That's Gene Wilson, the federal prosecutor who tried the Order.
Speaker 1: All the various crimes were presented together as pieces of
Speaker 1: the overall conspiracy.
Speaker 8: The evidence was pretty blatant. There's, of course the Burg murder.
Speaker 8: There were various are on robberies. There was transporting property
Speaker 8: across state lines, which is a federal crime covered in RICO.
Speaker 8: There was counterfeiting. We were fairly confident going into it
Speaker 8: that some of the crimes that they had committed were
Speaker 8: so horrible that the jury would be very likely to
Speaker 8: find them guilty.
Speaker 1: And they did. Bruce Carroll Pierce was convicted on racketeering
Speaker 1: and conspiracy charges. He was sentenced to two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty two years. David Lane received one hundred and ninety.
Speaker 1: Gary Yarborough got eighty five. Seven other members of the
Speaker 1: order were also convicted and received decades long terms. The
Speaker 1: actual case of Allenberg's murder stayed in state hands, and
Speaker 1: after the federal convictions, that case was never tried.
Speaker 8: They got so much of a sentence in this case
Speaker 8: a Denver local attorneys and US attorneys, that was probably
Speaker 8: not necessary to do that.
Speaker 1: In the eyes of many, overall justice had been served.
Speaker 1: But to those who knew Alan, like his close friend
Speaker 1: Peter Boyles, something had been left unresolved.
Speaker 5: No one ever stood trial for the murder of allen Burg,
Speaker 5: No one ever did. I was so angry. That's stupid,
Speaker 5: racist bastards could kill that gun. I was stunned by that.
Speaker 5: That was when I was sitting in this federal courtroom
Speaker 5: looking thinking, look at you, like these were just losers
Speaker 5: everyone else.
Speaker 1: The verdict affected people differently. For some, it stirred frustration.
Speaker 1: For others, like Wayne Mannis, it marked the end of
Speaker 1: a relentless pursuit. But he knows the fight is still
Speaker 1: far from over.
Speaker 3: It was the most significant verdict of my career. But
Speaker 3: I knew in my heart, I knew it's not over.
Speaker 3: There's thousands of people that feel the same way that
Speaker 3: these people do, and all it would take is just
Speaker 3: a spark and the fuel from a charismatic leader to
Speaker 3: reignite it and be part back again. And I feel
Speaker 3: that way today.
Speaker 1: The true threat is the ideology, and Wayne knows if
Speaker 1: history is any indication that ideology didn't die in the
Speaker 1: courtroom in the eyes of the order. They were waging
Speaker 1: a rightful war against the government, but at its root
Speaker 1: was hate and bigotry, and it was a war that
Speaker 1: left very real victims like alan Berg.
Speaker 5: When I say it changed everything in my life, it
Speaker 5: changed everything. I mean, it was still radio. It was fun,
Speaker 5: it was a kick and he asked. We had a
Speaker 5: great time, but it was there was a hole in
Speaker 5: my soul that he wasn't there years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm eighty one.
Speaker 5: Now you know he's part of the mist. Now he's
Speaker 5: part of the legacy of what happened.
Speaker 9: I don't think I'm anything but alan Berg. I refuse
Speaker 9: to accept the label. There's nothing connected with my whole
Speaker 9: life that represents labels none. In fact, the fact that
Speaker 9: I've been in this ten years, with my style, my
Speaker 9: outspoken behavior, and some very difficult times that I've gone through,
Speaker 9: I feel blessed that I had ten years of this.
Speaker 9: If I never worked another day, I'm a very lucky
Speaker 9: man to have been able to do what I do
Speaker 9: is my truth.
Speaker 1: Alan Berg was a voice that cut through the noise,
Speaker 1: and for some that made him dangerous, for others unforgettable.
Speaker 6: Alan Berg was a purveyor of words, was a purveyor
Speaker 6: of ideas. You can't kill words, and you can't kill ideas.
Speaker 1: The order may have been dismantled, Bob Matthews may have
Speaker 1: gone downs, but the bigotry didn't die with them. In
Speaker 1: the years to come, that ideology would inspire new enemies,
Speaker 1: driven by a different cause, but fueled by the same beliefs.
Speaker 1: But in the shadows, another group driven by hate was
Speaker 1: about to strike Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Next time on Law and Order, criminal justice system.
Speaker 3: I felt the whole building heave, It actually lifted.
Speaker 6: One of the first things I saw was a crater
Speaker 6: at one hundred and twenty some feet in diameter. There
Speaker 6: was a litany of more serious injuries, cardiac arrests, concussion injuries,
Speaker 6: trauma from the explosion itself, plus fractured and broken bones.
Speaker 3: Actually saw a ripple go across the Hudson River.
Speaker 5: They located the VIN number off the writer's rock that
Speaker 5: was used in the bombing and the rest of the case.
Speaker 2: Blossomed Law and Order Criminal Justice System is a production
Speaker 2: of Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts. Our host is Anna
Speaker 2: Sega Nicolaze. The show was written by Cooper Mall, Executive
Speaker 2: produced by Dick Wolf Elliot Wolf and Stephen Michael at
Speaker 2: Wolf Entertainment on behalf of iHeart Podcasts. Executive producers Trevor
Speaker 2: Young and Matt Frederick, with supervising producer Chandler Mays and
Speaker 2: producer Jesse Funk. This season is executive produced by Anna
Speaker 2: Sega Nicolazi. Our researchers are Luke Stantz and Carolyn Tolmage.
Speaker 2: Editing and sound designed by Trevor Young and Jesse Funk.
Speaker 2: Original music by John O'Hara, Original theme by Mike Post
Speaker 2: with additional music by Steve Moore and additional voice over
Speaker 2: me Steve Zernkelton. Special thanks to Fox five in New
Speaker 2: York for providing archival material for the show. For more
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