WEBVTT - S2 E4: Hunting The Order

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Law and Order Criminal Justice System, a

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<v Speaker 2>In the criminal justice system, landmark trials transcend the courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>to reshape the law. The brave many women who investigate

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecute these cases are part of a select group

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<v Speaker 2>that is defined American history. These are their stories. December eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four, would be Island, Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>The high speed pursuit for Allenburg's killers didn't end on

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<v Speaker 1>a highway. It led to a bluff above Puget Sound,

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<v Speaker 1>where a two story cabin sat silent in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Matthews will not surrender, he refuses.

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<v Speaker 1>He was armed, cornered and waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>Darkness came. We decided to bring helicopters in.

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<v Speaker 1>The choppers dropped low, the thump of their rotor blades

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<v Speaker 1>cracked against the tree tops.

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<v Speaker 3>Set them right down on top of the roof of

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<v Speaker 3>Blowing shingles off the roof.

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<v Speaker 4>The helicopter illuminated the rear of the house with a

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<v Speaker 4>huge ten thousand kindlepower spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>It was meant to flush Matthews out and enable a

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<v Speaker 1>safe arrest, but he had other plans.

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<v Speaker 4>Matthews opened up on the helicopter with a AR fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The battle had just begun.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a call, get out to LaGuardia Airport.

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<v Speaker 6>There's been a bombing.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a thirty two foot crater in front of

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<v Speaker 4>what was left of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to figure out, Am I dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I alive? Where am I?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Aniseega Nicolazzi.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why terrorism works.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't care who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is law and order,

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<v Speaker 1>criminal justice system. The nineteen eighty four killing of Denver

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<v Speaker 1>talk radio host Alan Berg had all the hallmarks of

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<v Speaker 1>a targeted hit. Was it someone he defended on his

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<v Speaker 1>show or was it part of something even bigger and

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous for law enforcement to get from suspicion to

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<v Speaker 1>a courtroom that would take evidence and in the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after the shooting, FBI Special Agent Wayne Mannis started to

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<v Speaker 1>collect what he needed.

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<v Speaker 3>I am preparing to get a wealth of information out

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<v Speaker 3>of the area. In Congress at the Area Nations Compound

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<v Speaker 3>July nineteen eighty four. Larry and the police department over

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<v Speaker 3>and Spokane. They've got some informants they're going to send

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<v Speaker 3>in and I'll get privy for what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the largest annual gatherings of white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacists in the country. Wayne had been tracking them for months,

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<v Speaker 1>but still didn't have the green light to do more.

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<v Speaker 3>I complete this report to get authorization for a full

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<v Speaker 3>scale investigation near the end of June, and I send

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<v Speaker 3>it off. We go through the Aryan Compound in July

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<v Speaker 3>and I still don't have authorization to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>All Wayne could do was watch and listen. But from

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<v Speaker 1>the sidelines, Wayne saw something percolating that caught his attention.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a guy that gave speeches there, a real

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<v Speaker 3>charismatic and his name was Lewis Beam. Lewis Beam was

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<v Speaker 3>a member of the k Clarks Klan out of Texas

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<v Speaker 3>and former Vietnam guy. He was a machine gunner, so

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<v Speaker 3>he has training and a lot of experience.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't Beam's combat record that made him dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his ideas. Here again is terrorism researcher Michael Jensen.

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<v Speaker 7>Beam was able to articulate a set of tactical ideas

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<v Speaker 7>that became a key feature of the organization. One of

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<v Speaker 7>the most important foundational ideas in this movement is the

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<v Speaker 7>idea of leaderless resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Beam was more than another loud voice at the podium.

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<v Speaker 1>He was shaping the white supremacist playbook.

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<v Speaker 7>What Beam did was really to promote this idea that

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<v Speaker 7>anyone in everyone could get involved in the movement. Don't

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<v Speaker 7>wait for someone to come to you, start your own militia.

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<v Speaker 7>As long as everyone agrees on the ideology and the

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<v Speaker 7>tactics that they're willing to use, the movement will survive. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 7>what he wrote about leaderless resistance became a foundational belief

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<v Speaker 7>for the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the time of the Aryan Congress, Beam had

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<v Speaker 1>been brought into the fold by one of the very

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<v Speaker 1>men Wain was watching, Robert Matthews.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbeknownst to me, he's one of the guys that Bob

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<v Speaker 3>has recruited as an Aryan warrior during the time of

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<v Speaker 3>the aria In Congress, this guy's given us speech and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, we've already eliminated one of the most prominent

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<v Speaker 3>obnoxious Jews in our society. And of course I know

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<v Speaker 3>alan Berg has been killed, so what are you going

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<v Speaker 3>to think? That's what I'm thinking. This guy is saying

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<v Speaker 3>we have done this.

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<v Speaker 1>This was more than just rhetoric. It was an admission.

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<v Speaker 3>So I called repde and I said, I'm wondering about

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<v Speaker 3>this guy Lewis Beam. They said, well, we don't know

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<v Speaker 3>about him, but we got a suspect. And the suspect

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<v Speaker 3>is David Lane, who had a long and heated conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with him, and Alan Bert just absolutely slaughtered him in

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation. We think maybe David Lane. So he says,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you guys could take it up, and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you bet we will.

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<v Speaker 1>Now wein had a name and an idea allen Berg's

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<v Speaker 1>murder might not be an isolated act of violence, but

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<v Speaker 1>potentially part of a much larger conspiracy and.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of read into what my thought process was at

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<v Speaker 3>that time. All this criminal stuff is happening, and in

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<v Speaker 3>my mind, I'm pushing it all into one group people. Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I prove it? No, I can't prove it, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's but you're starting to see it. You're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out, like each spoke and how you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to go after them exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne had had a partial view, but now could see

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<v Speaker 1>the entire wheel. Its spokes were made up of white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacists and potential killers. The center was Bob Matthews. For weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne had been circling Matthew's group. He had informants at

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<v Speaker 1>Aryan nations, He had names and locations, but what he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have was permission to chase down either. That changed

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<v Speaker 1>in early August.

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<v Speaker 3>After their annual area in Congress. The report comes back

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<v Speaker 3>in from the Attorney General's office and they said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got the authority to conduct a full scale investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>Are off and Wayne didn't waste time.

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<v Speaker 3>So now they have sent me a first office agent

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<v Speaker 3>out of Denver, five people out of San Francisco, couple

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<v Speaker 3>from Los Angeles. I've got my little group now, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>ten people.

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<v Speaker 1>The team got right to work.

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<v Speaker 3>I start to develop informants and I'm sending them in

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<v Speaker 3>seeing which ones take which ones don't. And I've got

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<v Speaker 3>several good informants inside the compound by the first of August.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the summer of nineteen eighty four, while Weene

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<v Speaker 1>was embedding informants and working to build a case, Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>was plotting his next move.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Matthews and his group have decided they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>move forward for another armored car robbery, and this one's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the granddaddy of all robberies.

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<v Speaker 1>The target was a Brinks truck that take could be millions.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbeknownst to us, Bob has recruited two people that worked

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<v Speaker 3>for brinch headquarters. They're giving him all the inside information

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<v Speaker 3>he needs. Now. They tell Bob there's a truck heading

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<v Speaker 3>up a state pass over near Santa Rosa, California, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's right for robbery.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the type of mountain pass where you had

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<v Speaker 1>to slow down, so that's exactly where they decided to strike.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob pulled together ten people that are real hitters. They

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<v Speaker 3>have people stationed along the highway that can announce on

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<v Speaker 3>their radio. We passed my point. He is really slowing down,

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<v Speaker 3>and they got these various vehicles. Some of them are

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<v Speaker 3>up in front of the unit and some of them

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<v Speaker 3>behind it, and Bob dispatches them at the right time,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they move up. They force the armored truck

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<v Speaker 3>on the steep part of the highway off the road,

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<v Speaker 3>jump out, fully armed and They blocked the highway from

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<v Speaker 3>both directions.

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<v Speaker 1>With rifles aimed and keeping traffic at a standstill. They

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<v Speaker 1>lifted a sign into the air and.

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<v Speaker 3>The sign says, get out, up or die. One of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys jumps up on the hood of the armored

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<v Speaker 3>car and opens fire into the windows, and he's blasting

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<v Speaker 3>out the windows. The guys inside the truck are terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>They open the doors and they get out and they

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<v Speaker 3>lay them on the ground. Now cars are starting to

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<v Speaker 3>stack up on the highway, so there's somebody in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of the truck that's got to open the door.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens it's a woman. She doesn't open the truck door,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they open fire on the back windows of

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<v Speaker 3>that truck. She opens the door, Bob Matthews jumps inside

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<v Speaker 3>and they line up in a caravan. Bob's throwing out

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<v Speaker 3>money and they're passing throwing it, and he goes to

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<v Speaker 3>the trunk of a car and one guy has got

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<v Speaker 3>a stopwatch and he's counting the seconds. Twenty seconds, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five seconds, thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>They plotted every detail down to how many seconds they'd

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<v Speaker 1>have before police would arrive. But even precision doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>proven mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob's got a pistol shoved into the back of his pants,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the process of bending over getting these bags

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<v Speaker 3>of money and throwing them out, they're pretty heavy, the

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<v Speaker 3>pistol falls out. He doesn't know it. Finally they figure, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's time, let's go and if billions of dollars left

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<v Speaker 3>in the truck. But they got what they could get.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they're going to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>They vanished up the mountain road.

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<v Speaker 3>They got three point six million dollars out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbery left in their wake or shell casings, a terrified

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<v Speaker 1>Brink's crew, and the gun. It didn't take long before

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI had it.

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<v Speaker 3>We traced the gun, we find out it was sold

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<v Speaker 3>to a guy named Andrew Barnhill, find out everything we

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<v Speaker 3>can about him, and we find where he was arrested

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<v Speaker 3>in Madrid, Oregon. He had checked into a hotel and

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<v Speaker 3>picked up a prostitute and that's how he ended up

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<v Speaker 3>getting questioned and arrested. But on his motel receipt he

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<v Speaker 3>listed an address in Laclead, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>Just an hour north of the compound. Wayne had watched

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<v Speaker 1>in Courdeline. His team headed up, but they weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones to get there.

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<v Speaker 3>The neighbors tell me, well, there was about a dozen

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<v Speaker 3>people here just two days ago. They left. They were

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<v Speaker 3>there two days before we got there, in that house

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<v Speaker 3>fully armed. Had we showed up and they were there,

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<v Speaker 3>you could imagine that would have been a terrible gun battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Having just missed their suspects. They searched the house where

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne found something odd that peaud his interest.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm searching this place and I find a little

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<v Speaker 3>box and it's got Andrew Barnes's most personal stuff in it,

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<v Speaker 3>even his baby teeth in an envelope. But on the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of this ste of all this stuff is a

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<v Speaker 3>newspaper clipping cut out with scissors, and it's on the

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<v Speaker 3>armored car robbery in Seattle Bingo. Now, who's gonna do

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<v Speaker 3>that unless it's got real meaning to him? Yep, So

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<v Speaker 3>we know we're onto the right path.

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<v Speaker 1>The pieces to this puzzle were all about to come together.

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<v Speaker 3>Call everybody together at our headquarters office in Butte, Montana.

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<v Speaker 3>We got everybody together. We got a blackboard up there.

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<v Speaker 3>The secretary says, when you've got an important call from

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<v Speaker 3>the office in Philadelphia and it's FBI agent lou vs

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<v Speaker 3>good agent. He had gotten a call from Secret Service.

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<v Speaker 3>They just captured a guy passing Bob's counterfeit money. Guy's

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<v Speaker 3>name is Tom Martinez.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tom Martinez had a lot to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy says there's an art organization involved. He's more worried

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<v Speaker 3>about what the organization will do to him than what

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<v Speaker 3>we could do to him.

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<v Speaker 1>During the interview, Martinez said something that would label this

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<v Speaker 1>case forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Martinez is a member of a group called The Order.

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<v Speaker 3>The Order is a group that was formed by Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Matthews based on a book that was written by a

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<v Speaker 3>guy named William Pearce. Now, this guy wrote a book

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<v Speaker 3>called The Turner Diaries, and Turner Diaries is a fictional

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<v Speaker 3>book about a group of guys. They get together and

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<v Speaker 3>they form a little army. They want to kill all

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<v Speaker 3>the Jews and take over the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>This book became a sacred text for white supremacists to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the country. Here's Michael Jensen again.

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<v Speaker 7>The Turner Diaries tells this fictional story of an anti

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<v Speaker 7>government group overcoming the tyranny of the US government through

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<v Speaker 7>large scale violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Fictionally, they manage to do that, and they take over

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<v Speaker 3>an air Force space and they're in controllable missile and

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<v Speaker 3>eventually they take over the JEdgar Hoover Building in Worston,

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<v Speaker 3>d C. And they take over the country, and they

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<v Speaker 3>call themselves the Order.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it would be hard to find another contemporary

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<v Speaker 7>text that has been more influential among not only the

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<v Speaker 7>groups that were active in the late seventies through the

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<v Speaker 7>mid nineteen nineties, but that are active today. The Turner

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<v Speaker 7>Diaries is still widely read by.

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<v Speaker 1>Extremists, and it would become clear that Robert matthews belief

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<v Speaker 1>system was modeled after those writings.

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<v Speaker 3>This is his bible. He's doing everything like they do

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<v Speaker 3>it in this book, and so far he's dead on

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<v Speaker 3>everything he's done. This book is my guide map.

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<v Speaker 1>After that phone call, investigators moved and Tom Martinez became

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<v Speaker 1>a cooperator.

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<v Speaker 3>Martinez knows everything. He knows locations, places, he knows Bob Matthews,

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<v Speaker 3>he knows every member of the Order. He's a gold by.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI finally knew exactly what it was chasing a

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist organization, and now they had an informant inside. But

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Matthews was still out there and he had no

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<v Speaker 1>intention of stopping. The Order was a group that had

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<v Speaker 1>devised a plan for everything including how to evate detection.

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<v Speaker 3>The order is so organized. They have a guy in

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<v Speaker 3>their group and he set up a relay for them

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<v Speaker 3>where they can make phone calls from their headquarters office

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<v Speaker 3>that are not traceable. They would rent a house, put

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<v Speaker 3>the phone in the house, and that phone number. They

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<v Speaker 3>called it the bear trap. Each of their members, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter where they are, have to call this one particular

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<v Speaker 3>phone number every day and check in. Then thirty days

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<v Speaker 3>later they pull out of that in another house, put

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<v Speaker 3>a different phone number in that house, and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>bear trap number that's given to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the fall of nineteen eighty four they had

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<v Speaker 1>started to get sloppy. As Wayne tracked their movements, they

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<v Speaker 1>would sometimes slip and call house phones instead.

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<v Speaker 3>We found that a number of phone calls were made

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<v Speaker 3>to a number in Sandpoint, Idaho. We tracked that number down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's registered guy named Jerry Oldboo, and we set up

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<v Speaker 3>a ser on this house. After a couple of hours,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy walks out of the house and gets on

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<v Speaker 3>a motorcycle and I said, you know who that guy is.

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<v Speaker 3>I get a photo of him right here. It's Gary Yarborough.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not a Jerry Old boob. That's Gary Yarborough.

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<v Speaker 1>The same guy Wayne had spotted in the Spokane armored

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<v Speaker 1>truck robbery. And now they watched him drive across the

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<v Speaker 1>street to use a payphone, even though there was a

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<v Speaker 1>working landline inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does the guy who's got a perfectly good phone

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<v Speaker 3>in his house get on a motorcycle drive two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>yards to a payphone and make a phone call. We

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<v Speaker 3>got to get a dump off that payphone, so we do,

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<v Speaker 3>and I find the number that was called was to

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<v Speaker 3>a place in Boise. That's where the counterfeitters are staying.

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<v Speaker 3>Right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was starting to align, and as he tracked Gary Yarborough,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne's wall of evidence canntinued to grow.

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<v Speaker 3>We found out he had a storage facility in court

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<v Speaker 3>a lane. So I got a surreptitious search warrant. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a search warrant that allows you to make a surreptitious entry,

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<v Speaker 3>search the place and lead so nobody ever knows you searched.

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<v Speaker 1>It surreptitious or a secret. And I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that getting one of those is definitely not the norm

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<v Speaker 1>and harder to obtain.

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<v Speaker 3>I searched it and back in the corner I found

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<v Speaker 3>a silencer that would fit them back ten.

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<v Speaker 1>The same weapon used to kill Denver talk radio host

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Berg.

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<v Speaker 3>I went up inside it. I initial it and dated

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<v Speaker 3>it where you'd never see it. I put it back

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<v Speaker 3>and backed out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also becoming clear that Yarborough was getting nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>As surveillances often work, At some point in time, he

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<v Speaker 3>must have got suspicious that were following him. He suddenly,

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<v Speaker 3>overnight moves out of this house that we've been watching,

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<v Speaker 3>and he shows up in a house next to the

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<v Speaker 3>National Forest boundary northwest of Standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>The Forest Service confirmed the location. Suddenly things escalated.

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<v Speaker 3>An agent named Mike Johnston drives in there and he's

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<v Speaker 3>got two agents with him. What he's trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>is just get a look at the place. He drives

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<v Speaker 3>very close to the house and Gary Yarborough comes out

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<v Speaker 3>with a forty five and opens fire on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily, no one was hit. Agents temporarily pulled back. They

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<v Speaker 1>returned later that night, but he had slipped away.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbeknownst to us, Gary Yarborough was standing outside the house

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<v Speaker 3>when they came in on the raid, so he dived

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<v Speaker 3>into a ditch and made his way to a place

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<v Speaker 3>where he could call anywhere. Bob Matthews had him picked up.

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<v Speaker 3>And while we're doing the search in the house, Gary

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<v Speaker 3>has escaped.

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<v Speaker 1>But what he left behind was startling.

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<v Speaker 3>Inside his house, we find a shrine to Hitler's room

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<v Speaker 3>and it's got a huge Nazi flag on the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's got Nazi shoulder and signis and pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of Hitler on the walls, and then it's got the

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<v Speaker 3>mac tin on a table.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, Matthews had ordered him to get rid of the gun,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead Yarborough held onto it as a trophy part

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<v Speaker 1>of his twisted shrine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well break, So we've got the weapon. We send it

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<v Speaker 3>off to the lab and they'll be able to compare

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<v Speaker 3>it against the bullets that were recovered from Alan Birch's body.

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<v Speaker 1>While Ween and his team were on the Order's trail,

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<v Speaker 1>it's leader, Bob Matthews was staying one step ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Yard Brool gets away, but we've got this valuable

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<v Speaker 3>piece of evidence and Matthews has been notified. Sol Matthews

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<v Speaker 3>says where it wore.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's called the counterfeiting house, which unbeknownst to him, had

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<v Speaker 1>already been compromised.

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<v Speaker 3>He calls and says abandon the residents immediately take the

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<v Speaker 3>printing press, take all the papers, everything, and get out

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<v Speaker 3>of there. So they run a U haul trailer and

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<v Speaker 3>they put the printing press in the trailer. They take

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<v Speaker 3>all the documents and everything, and they abandon the house.

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<v Speaker 3>But I got a team of agents watching the house,

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<v Speaker 3>and frankly, I want to start taking people down.

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne's superior didn't agree.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to keep the surveillance and the covert activity going.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking it's a big mistake. We've got enough stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's time to start taking people down and interview it

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<v Speaker 3>and examine any evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>The higher ups stood firm, no takedown, not yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So our agents follow the U haul trailer with all

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff and they stop and they go into a

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<v Speaker 3>hotel to make some phone calls. While they're making a

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<v Speaker 3>phone call in a lounge, two guys come in and

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<v Speaker 3>sit down at a table relatively close to where they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Before agents could move in, the men got nervous and left.

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<v Speaker 1>They walked out of the hotel, unhitched the U haul

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<v Speaker 1>and drove away. Wayne's men followed but eventually lost them.

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<v Speaker 1>The trailer they left behind was seized, and when agents

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<v Speaker 1>searched it, they found a gold mine.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a U haul with the printing press and

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<v Speaker 3>tons of information. That's very incriminating because this is their

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<v Speaker 3>headquarters office.

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<v Speaker 1>It was evidence of the orders inner workings, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of their members had disappeared, slipping from one safe house

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<v Speaker 1>to another. But soon Wayne got his next unexpected break.

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<v Speaker 3>We find another phone call from a payphone. This phone

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<v Speaker 3>number is in Troy, Montana. By the time we get there,

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<v Speaker 3>the house is abandoned.

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<v Speaker 1>But an unsettling sign was left behind.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a fire pit, and there's a cardboard fixture of

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<v Speaker 3>a state trooper on a tree, and it's been all

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<v Speaker 3>shot up. So I pick up all the brass on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground. Then I go over and I dig some

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<v Speaker 3>bullets out of the tree, and I send the bullets

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<v Speaker 3>and the casings off the FBI headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>As they sifted through the fire pit, Wayne and his

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<v Speaker 1>team turned up more than just shellcasings. They uncovered another.

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<v Speaker 3>Clue, partially burnt piece of paper. It's got an address

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<v Speaker 3>on it, So we go to that address. Find out

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<v Speaker 3>this is a guy that trains dogs and he identifies

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<v Speaker 3>from a photograph. He picks out one of Bruce Carroll

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<v Speaker 3>Peers and he says, they've got this big Rottwiler dog

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<v Speaker 3>and he left it here for me to train it,

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<v Speaker 3>and he gave me six thousand dollars and said he'd

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<v Speaker 3>pick it up later. He said, well, do you have

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<v Speaker 3>the six thousand? Yeah, I do, and so let me

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<v Speaker 3>see it. He brings it to me. It's got wrappers

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<v Speaker 3>on it that matched the money stolen out of the

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<v Speaker 3>brake truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a break. We got the evidence, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>there was even more. The casings recovered from the cardboard

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<v Speaker 1>State Trooper target had been analyzed at the lab.

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<v Speaker 3>They come back and say, up, these casings and bullets

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<v Speaker 3>were fired from this gun they killed Allenburg. Jeez. So

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<v Speaker 3>now we got the gun matching the bullets out of

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<v Speaker 3>Allenberg's body, and we got these casings and everything that

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<v Speaker 3>we took from Bruce Carrol Pears's house. Everything started to

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<v Speaker 3>go together pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, from money spent at dog Kennel's to ballistics.

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<v Speaker 1>The case against the order was getting stronger by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>All that was left to do now was catch Matthew's crew,

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<v Speaker 1>and the FBI finally caught a break with Tom Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne's informant.

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<v Speaker 3>In November. Martinez gets a phone call. Bob Matthews says,

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to come and join me. Meet me

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<v Speaker 3>in Portland. I'll meet you at the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI made sure Martinez wasn't going on his own.

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<v Speaker 1>They booked him a flight, wired the motel, and then

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<v Speaker 1>stayed close. But once Matthews showed up, plans changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Matthews made him at the airport and he takes

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<v Speaker 3>him to his car. Gary Yarborough is in the car

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<v Speaker 3>with a rifle, military style rifle. Martinez is scared to

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<v Speaker 3>death because he's always been worried about Yarborough, had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fear of him. They start to driving away

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<v Speaker 3>from the airport and he says, here's where I'm staying.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got the address that we had set up and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob says to him, no, you're not. You're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>staying where we're staying, the Capri Hotel. We're right above

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<v Speaker 3>you in room fourteen. That's where you're going. So now

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<v Speaker 3>he's panicked because he thinks we don't know where he is.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as they arrived at the Caprime Hotel, Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>took Tom Martinez upstairs to one of the rooms.

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<v Speaker 3>And The room is filled with guns, ammunition, explosives, paperwork

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<v Speaker 3>stacked up along the walls, and they begin to make

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<v Speaker 3>the pitch to him. You know, you give you one

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<v Speaker 3>of us now, and you will never regret this, because

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to be a person with a position of importance.

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez was panicked, unsure what to do next. He stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in his room until that evening, then slipped out to

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<v Speaker 1>grab a bite.

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<v Speaker 3>He walks in the cross shop to get something to eat,

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<v Speaker 3>and he looks across the counter and he sees one

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 3>of the agents that had interviewed him. She passes a

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<v Speaker 3>word to him. Everything's Fine's go back to your room,

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<v Speaker 3>don't leave again. Just sit tight because everything's gonna come down.

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez went back to the motel and waited. The takedown

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<v Speaker 1>began before dawn in a corner of northeast Portland. Law

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>enforcement arrived at the Capri Hotel. Two of the most

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted domestic terrorists in the country. We're asleep inside.

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<v Speaker 4>The night that they flew in. Our surveillance group picked

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 4>them up when they landed at Portland and they rented

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<v Speaker 4>a vehicle and then drove to the Capri Hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as agents touched down. They were preparing

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<v Speaker 1>to move in. Here's one of those agents.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Kenneth Loven Lvin and at the time

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<v Speaker 4>I was assigned as a supervisory special Agent with the

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<v Speaker 4>FBI to the Portland Division.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken was newly assigned to the case.

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<v Speaker 4>I received a call from the supervisor and he briefed

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<v Speaker 4>me that there would be a couple of individuals flying

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 4>into Portland, Oregon that night. They were a part of

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 4>a very dangerous group known as the Order, the White

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 4>Supremacist organization.

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And now they were in Ken's jurisdiction.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 4>We observed them check in to the Caprix Hotel. We

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 4>made contact with the manager of the Caprix Hotel and

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 4>determined that they had a seven am wake up call

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 4>the next morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan was to wait until morning and then either

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>intercept them or followed them as they left the motel,

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>but Matthews had his own plan. At five point thirty am,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>he opened his door.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 4>Robert Matthews stepped out and I had agents dispersed in

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 4>various rooms on the second floor of the Capri Hotel.

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 4>It was basically dark, and he looked around, went to

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.959
<v Speaker 4>the railing overlooking the parking lot, looked for anything that

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 4>might be suspicious in his mind, and then he re

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 4>entered his room.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Moments later Matthews re emerged.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 4>He came out again alone, closed the door, started walking

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 4>down the gangway. He walked right by a room that

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 4>I was in with other agents, and we decided that

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 4>when he got a few steps further, we were going

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 4>to grab him, take him, and then go over and

0:30:55.880 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 4>approach Yarborough in his room. Well in that noise was

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 4>of course created and I was shouting FBI wheese, do

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 4>not move, and Robert Matthews immediately gave flight.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Bob jumps over the rails and takes off running down

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>the street and two agents are following him at a

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 3>fast pace.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 4>He was running as fast as he could run.

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>The chase was on. Matthews tore through the neighborhood with

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>FBI agents close behind.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 3>The front guy is armed with a handgun. Kenneth Lovin

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 3>is carrying a shotgun. They're moving in on Bob.

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 4>I chased him for about four or five blocks. Well,

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 4>this time it is becoming just very first light of

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 4>the morning.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Bob suddenly makes a turner's about an eight foot wall

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 3>that encompasses the yard. He makes a sharp right turn

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 3>behind that wall and then button hooks and comes back.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>He comes around the corner with a pistol.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 4>I heard gunfire. The agent yelled out, I have been hit.

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 3>The agent is down.

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Fortunately the wound wasn't critical. As Ken got close to

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>his injured colleague, he suddenly detected movement.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 4>Robert Matthews had been hiding behind a large cement wall

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 4>covered with ivy. All I could see is one hand

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 4>with a handgun in it. He was about to shoot

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 4>again at my fellow agent, and I yelled, and at

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 4>that he cranked off either two or three rounds at me.

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 4>I then returned fire with my shotgun, basically blowing off

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 4>his right hand.

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>But even that didn't stop him.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Matthews turns and runs. Kenneth gives aid and support to

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:56.959
<v Speaker 3>the wounded agent.

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't bleeding profusely. He wasn't in a life threatening situation.

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Bob flags down a car. His hand is bleeding and

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 3>he tells the guy, I caught my hand and the

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 3>fan belt in my car. Can you get me to

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 3>a hospital? And the guy says, yeah, jump in.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 4>And that's where he was last seen by anybody that

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 4>we could identify.

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>And just like that, A bleeding but very much alive

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Bob Matthews disappeared into the cloudy Portland terrain. For the FBI,

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this manhunt was only just beginning. Agents fanned out in

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>canvass the surrounding area, and when they questioned a local

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>gas station clerk.

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 4>The gas station attendant said he had severely injured himself.

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 4>There was blood all over the paper towels, and he

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 4>seemed to be an excruciating pain. He approached a couple

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 4>and they were en route to Mount Hood's ski facility.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Matthews asked him if they would be kind enough to

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 4>give him a ride up the road, and he said,

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 4>if you'll let me out, I'll go to my house

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 4>and I'll get some assistance. And they gave him a

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 4>ride for about four or five miles. He finally said,

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 4>my home is just off the highway here a short

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 4>distance back in the trees. So the Good Samaritans lay

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:13.720
<v Speaker 4>out and that was the last they saw.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Of Matthews had once again slipped through the FBI's fingers,

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 1>but they kept moving in getting closer each time. They

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 1>found the couple by tracing their credit card and began

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to scour the mountain and we.

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 4>Spent hours and hours and hours. We stayed in that

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 4>neighborhood for the rest of the night, and the next

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 4>day we found a cabin type home that we saw

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 4>a couple vehicles go in and out during the day

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 4>and always was males, not couples, and so we began

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 4>to focus our attention on one home in that area

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 4>that we thought could be what we were looking for.

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>And as they watched the cabin, a white pickup truck

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>pulled out of the driveway.

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 4>We had an air surveillance as well his ground surveillance

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 4>on that vehicle. We followed it for probably forty miles.

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 4>We decided that we would try to make a car stop,

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 4>but before we could get our vehicles in a position,

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 4>he exited the interstate and started going down dirt roads.

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 4>He had obviously made the surveillance and was trying to

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 4>shake us, so I lit him up with the lights

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 4>and he stopped. We determined very quickly he was a

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 4>member of the klu Klux Klan. There was a warrant

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 4>for him, and we had a sought off shotgun in

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:35.720
<v Speaker 4>the back of his pickup.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Ken and his team brought in the driver and by

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.439
<v Speaker 1>later that night they'd struck a deal.

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 4>He would provide us how many people and who all

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 4>they were by name, and that they had gone up

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 4>to the Seattle area. He was to make contact the

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 4>next morning, to be taken later that afternoon to a

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 4>place out on Woodbey Island.

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>We'd be Island is a remote area of coastline north

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>of Seattle, Washington, and now the likely refuge of an

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>armed separatist preparing for battle. Bob Matthews had been ready

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>in his troops.

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 3>He pulls them all together and he tells them we

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 3>are now in a full state of war. Our demand

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 3>of Congress is going to be that they give us

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>five Northwestern states which will be under our care, control

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 3>and custody. These will no longer be states of the

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>United States of America, and that we demand this or

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 3>there's going to be massy chaos, massive loss of life.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Because we have a plan.

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.399
<v Speaker 1>For days, the house on would Be Islands sat under

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Federal watch agents observed from tree lines, Coastguard patrols sealed

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>off the water.

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 4>The FBI's hostage rescue team from Washington, DC took charge

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 4>of the whole scene. Or two and a half three

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 4>more days just surveilling that house and making sure that

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 4>no one came out that wasn't apprehended.

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>And one by one, members of the order were arrested.

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Slowly but surely. We picked off the group one or

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 4>two at a time as they would go to maybe

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 4>get groceries or supplies, and we would stop them and

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.720
<v Speaker 4>arrest them. So I'm sure that that became a clue

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 4>to Robert Matthews that once you leave here, they were

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 4>being picked off by law enforcement.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Until only one man remained.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Bob Matthews will not surrender, he refuses.

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Hostage negotiators tried to get him to leave the house,

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>but were unsuccessful. As night fell, the lead negotiator decided

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>it was time to switch tactics.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Turns to me. He says, Wayne, there's no hostage anymore,

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 3>so I can't stay here and Bob will not surrender.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 3>So it's decided that we will employ swap teams try

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 3>to get about.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>They converged from all over.

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 3>We had swapped teams from Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles,

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.720
<v Speaker 3>Salt Lake City, Denver, and Butte, which was the swap

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 3>team I.

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 4>Was on, and we had the house completely surrounded with

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 4>the exception of the back of the house because you

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 4>had to walk no further than maybe ten or twelve steps,

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 4>and it was about a two hundred foot drop off

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 4>right down to the shoreline of Puget Sound, So we

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 4>were not concerned that anyone could come out of that

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 4>and escape.

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>The FBI began to move in.

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 4>We deployed tear gas for over an hour, and we

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 4>saw our detective no movement, no sounds of him moving

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 4>around or anything. Then we decided we would elevate to

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 4>a higher concentration and more volume of tear gas was

0:38:56.200 --> 0:39:00.320
<v Speaker 4>then administered within the residence. That went on for period

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 4>of two two and a half.

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Hours, but Matthews didn't come out. So they next sent

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>canine officers and their dogs into the house.

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 4>And the dog supposedly could handle tear gas and was

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 4>not affected by it. The owner stayed on the main

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 4>floor and the dog went through every room up in

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 4>the house and did not react to any type of

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 4>human presence or someone that was alive. That made us

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 4>believe that Matthews might have succumbed to excessive tear gas.

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And SWAT took it from there.

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 3>One agent throws a flash bang and grenade through a

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 3>window into the ground floor. It's a type of thing

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 3>that's got such a shock value that people actually just freeze.

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 3>And the team goes in through the front door, and

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I ducked the windows out on the side guindow, so

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 3>I've got them covered as they're going in.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Then just as they entered the ground floor.

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 4>Robert Matthews opened up with an AR fifteen and shot

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 4>through the floor down into the main floor of the home.

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 3>At that point, I had made some racket and Bob

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Matthews knew where I was because he could hear the noise,

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:22.240
<v Speaker 3>so he opened fire on me, and I took about

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 3>five or ten rounds just inches above my head. Debris

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 3>fell on top of the wool hat I was wearing

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 3>where the bullets passed through.

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>All we could do was try and take cover.

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 3>We can't shoot because we don't have a target. That's

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 3>an FBI premise. You might be able to see what

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 3>you're shooting at. He can't shoot it a sound, but

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>he was shooting that sounds. Then another agent off to

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 3>the left of me, about fifteen feet inside the house

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 3>in the corner. He ran across the house to the

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 3>other side. When he did that made a noise, and

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Bob opened up and took out that corner where he'd

0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 3>been standing.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Agents scrambled to shield themselves from the barrage of gunfire

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 1>as they strategized their next move.

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 4>Fortunately, no agents were hit and they immediately vacated the house, so.

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.919
<v Speaker 3>We pulled out went back into the woods to make

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 3>another ploy as it got dark that night.

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Matthews had military training, heavy weapons and showed every sign

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>he'd fight to the death, but that wouldn't stop the agents.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Darkness came and we decided to bring helicopters in.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 4>The helicopter flew out over Puget Sound and illuminated the

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 4>rear of the house with a huge ten thousand kindlepower spotlight.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Helicopters are very frightening when they sit right down on

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 3>top of you. That's what we did, set them right

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 3>down on top of the roof, blowing shingles off the roof.

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.439
<v Speaker 1>But even the helicopters did work.

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 4>Matthews opened up on the helicopter with his AR fifteen.

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Helicopter immediately left the area.

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Then he turned his rifle back towards the ground.

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Bob went over and he opened fire on the team

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.560
<v Speaker 3>on the west side of the building. They fired back

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm standing in a little patch of trees. He must

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>have had night vision equipment. He opens up on me

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 3>from the upstairs went down, bulletsters slapping into the trees

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 3>around me, and I've got an MPK five, fully automatic,

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 3>so I open up into his muzzle fire, firing bursts

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 3>of five rounds, and he's doing about the same. And

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 3>I can't figure out why he's not down because I

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 3>was a very good shot and I was shooting directly

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 3>into his muzzle blasts. But I found out he did

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 3>have body armor. He was probably hurt, but we were

0:42:55.960 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 3>killing him. They fired the flare into the house to

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 3>light up the bottom of the house so we could

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.280
<v Speaker 3>see if he went downstairs.

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 1>That caused a fire, and it was spreading quickly, and.

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 3>We're standing there twenty yards apart, just firing back and forth,

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 3>fire burning in a house down below. Then the fire

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 3>reaches the upstairs area, and I can hear rounds being

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.919
<v Speaker 3>popped off, because that's what they do when fire gets

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 3>to them. The realms explode, the bullets go somewhere, and

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 3>it sounded like there were a thousand or more bullets

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 3>going every witch direction until eventually it was just quiet,

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:38.959
<v Speaker 3>and I stood there.

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Bob Matthews never came out of that house.

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 3>And the cabin burned, burned, burned to the ground. And

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I stood there all night with my rifle shouldered, and

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 3>then at first daylight I walked forward and when I

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 3>got to the cabin, there at the edge of the

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 3>foundation was re forced iron tobb ceramic inside that had

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.280
<v Speaker 3>fallen from the upstairs floor to the ground stairs floor,

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 3>and Bob's body was inside it.

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<v Speaker 4>He had submerged himself in a bathtub using a straw

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 4>like device to breathe air, but it cooked him live.

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<v Speaker 1>The manhunt was officially over here again, his former special

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>agent Ken Lovin.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I've ever done anything. I don't believe

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 4>anyone else had. For that duration of time twenty four

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 4>to seven that we were literally on edge and we

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 4>knew that any mishap somebody would be killed at any

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 4>given time was extremely high tension.

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.399
<v Speaker 1>For Wayne too. It was complicated.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 3>It was a really mixed emotion thing. I was glad

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:54.439
<v Speaker 3>there was no probability that he was going to kill

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 3>one of us. I was sad that he didn't just surrender,

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 3>and I could have sat down and had an opportunity

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 3>to question him to have all my questions answered that

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 3>only he could answer.

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Once the fire went cold, they just packed up and

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>moved on.

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 4>That's the way it is. There was no downtime, no

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.439
<v Speaker 4>vacation time, There was nothing. When this one was over,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.279
<v Speaker 4>we went right back into the next biggest fish that

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 4>we could catch.

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But Bob Matthews and all the hate and danger he

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>represented stayed with them. Without their leader, would the order survive.

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>They were dedicated to him, but they weren't committed to

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 3>the cause. Bob was committed to the cause. They used

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>to tell an old joke. They'd say that when you

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 3>sit down to breakfast of ham and eggs, the chicken

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 3>they gave you those eggs was dedicated. The hog they

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>gave you that ham was committed. Bob was committed.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Bob Matthews was dead, but his cause and his followers

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't die with him, and neither did the threat.

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 3>They had an organization of people that were counterfeiting Robin banks,

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 3>cash couriers, armored car trucks. They did assassinations, they did bombings,

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 3>and when you think about it, that's a rarity you

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 3>seldom come across an organization that crosses so many criminal lines.

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And no one had yet been held accountable for Allenberg's murder.

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 1>The man who was believed to have pulled the trigger,

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Carrol Pearce, was still out there and he was

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Wayne's next target. That opportunity came when Pierce was arrested

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. Wayne went down to interview.

0:46:56.160 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Him, and he admitted to every crime that he and

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 3>the others had committed.

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Pierce confessed to armored car robberies, the counterfeiting operation, and

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>his key role in the Order's violent campaign, but he

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>stopped short when it came to Allenberg's murder.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 3>I knew that he was the trigger man. He said, Well,

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 3>let me ask you. If a man was the trigger man,

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<v Speaker 3>and that man confessed and cooperated in the trial, could

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 3>that man be guaranteed that he wouldn't get the death penalty?

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 3>And the only thing I could tell him was I said,

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 3>in that scenario, I would take the cooperation to the

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 3>United States attorney, who can take it to the federal

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 3>judge and a decision can be made. But I can't

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 3>make that promise, And he said, I want a lawyer

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 3>before we discussed the Allenburg matter.

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:02.320
<v Speaker 1>That's where the converse station ended. But the case against

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the Order now began that September in Seattle. In nineteen

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty five, ten Order members stood trial together in what

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>became the government's sweeping RICO case against the group. Alan

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Berg's murder became a part of that case.

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:25.800
<v Speaker 8>The Denver murderers was included in the indictment as murder

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 8>under the Denver statutes. And you're allowed to do that

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:34.799
<v Speaker 8>under RICO because it incorporates that crime as part of

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 8>a pattern of racketeering activities. So they weren't charged separately

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.360
<v Speaker 8>with the murder, I mean in a separate murder trial.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>That's Gene Wilson, the federal prosecutor who tried the Order.

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 1>All the various crimes were presented together as pieces of

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:52.839
<v Speaker 1>the overall conspiracy.

0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 8>The evidence was pretty blatant. There's, of course the Burg murder.

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 8>There were various are on robberies. There was transporting property

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 8>across state lines, which is a federal crime covered in RICO.

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 8>There was counterfeiting. We were fairly confident going into it

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 8>that some of the crimes that they had committed were

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 8>so horrible that the jury would be very likely to

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 8>find them guilty.

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And they did. Bruce Carroll Pierce was convicted on racketeering

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy charges. He was sentenced to two hundred and

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty two years. David Lane received one hundred and ninety.

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Gary Yarborough got eighty five. Seven other members of the

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 1>order were also convicted and received decades long terms. The

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>actual case of Allenberg's murder stayed in state hands, and

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 1>after the federal convictions, that case was never tried.

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 8>They got so much of a sentence in this case

0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 8>a Denver local attorneys and US attorneys, that was probably

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:03.480
<v Speaker 8>not necessary to do that.

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 1>In the eyes of many, overall justice had been served.

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>But to those who knew Alan, like his close friend

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Peter Boyles, something had been left unresolved.

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 5>No one ever stood trial for the murder of allen Burg,

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 5>No one ever did. I was so angry. That's stupid,

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:27.720
<v Speaker 5>racist bastards could kill that gun. I was stunned by that.

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.879
<v Speaker 5>That was when I was sitting in this federal courtroom

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 5>looking thinking, look at you, like these were just losers

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:37.399
<v Speaker 5>everyone else.

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>The verdict affected people differently. For some, it stirred frustration.

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>For others, like Wayne Mannis, it marked the end of

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 1>a relentless pursuit. But he knows the fight is still

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 1>far from over.

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 3>It was the most significant verdict of my career. But

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 3>I knew in my heart, I knew it's not over.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 3>There's thousands of people that feel the same way that

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.840
<v Speaker 3>these people do, and all it would take is just

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 3>a spark and the fuel from a charismatic leader to

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 3>reignite it and be part back again. And I feel

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 3>that way today.

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>The true threat is the ideology, and Wayne knows if

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 1>history is any indication that ideology didn't die in the

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:35.240
<v Speaker 1>courtroom in the eyes of the order. They were waging

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a rightful war against the government, but at its root

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 1>was hate and bigotry, and it was a war that

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>left very real victims like alan Berg.

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 5>When I say it changed everything in my life, it

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 5>changed everything. I mean, it was still radio. It was fun,

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 5>it was a kick and he asked. We had a

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 5>great time, but it was there was a hole in

0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 5>my soul that he wasn't there years ago.

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm eighty one.

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 5>Now you know he's part of the mist. Now he's

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 5>part of the legacy of what happened.

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 9>I don't think I'm anything but alan Berg. I refuse

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 9>to accept the label. There's nothing connected with my whole

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 9>life that represents labels none. In fact, the fact that

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 9>I've been in this ten years, with my style, my

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 9>outspoken behavior, and some very difficult times that I've gone through,

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 9>I feel blessed that I had ten years of this.

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.280
<v Speaker 9>If I never worked another day, I'm a very lucky

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 9>man to have been able to do what I do

0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:31.800
<v Speaker 9>is my truth.

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Alan Berg was a voice that cut through the noise,

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and for some that made him dangerous, for others unforgettable.

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:47.760
<v Speaker 6>Alan Berg was a purveyor of words, was a purveyor

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 6>of ideas. You can't kill words, and you can't kill ideas.

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>The order may have been dismantled, Bob Matthews may have

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>gone downs, but the bigotry didn't die with them. In

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the years to come, that ideology would inspire new enemies,

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>driven by a different cause, but fueled by the same beliefs.

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 1>But in the shadows, another group driven by hate was

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>about to strike Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time on Law and Order, criminal justice system.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt the whole building heave, It actually lifted.

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:41.280
<v Speaker 6>One of the first things I saw was a crater

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 6>at one hundred and twenty some feet in diameter. There

0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 6>was a litany of more serious injuries, cardiac arrests, concussion injuries,

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 6>trauma from the explosion itself, plus fractured and broken bones.

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Actually saw a ripple go across the Hudson River.

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 5>They located the VIN number off the writer's rock that

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 5>was used in the bombing and the rest of the case.

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