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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Do you they Elizabeth were? I was looking for you.

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Speaker 2: What's all right? I got a question for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Me up here? Yeah, he knows what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: I do you do? Yeah? I does know it. I

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Speaker 1: learned so much today.

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Speaker 2: What did you learn today?

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Speaker 1: The interns?

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Speaker 2: You look tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The interns came to me with tears in their eyes, ma'am, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: and they said, we we got something from Marianna today.

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Speaker 2: Mariana today, huh and are you going to get me wrong?

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Speaker 1: Marianna apparently she apologized to the interns for having to

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Speaker 1: make this them look this up, but like it's not

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Speaker 1: that bad, really good. But so they brought this to

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Speaker 1: me and they're like this was amazing. Marianna is great,

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Speaker 1: oh really okay. But the thing is, it's like, okay, so,

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Speaker 1: do you know what a mook bong is?

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Speaker 2: Bong m u k b A n G sounds familiar? No,

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Speaker 2: I would say no.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those videos like people eat something on

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Speaker 1: the video and talk about the food they're eating. It's

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Speaker 1: like a TikTok. Yeah, exactly. It comes from the Korean.

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Speaker 1: They're like, you know, and so like you're you're eating this,

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Speaker 1: and then sometimes you're like, wait a second, I my

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Speaker 1: lipstick's gonna get all messed up if I eat this

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Speaker 1: on the television. So there's another thing I learned about

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Speaker 1: called micro blading.

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Speaker 2: You're just full of learning today, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh. It's like a temporary tattoo process where they

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Speaker 1: like put on lips color or like eyebrows. It's not

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Speaker 1: like getting them tattooed on you. It fades.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: So there's this company Wonderskin, and they do something that

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Speaker 1: is called wonder blading. So it's even less permanent than

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Speaker 1: the microblading. It's just lasts like ten hours. Look at

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Speaker 1: me blading, Yeah, exactly. And so they're like, you know

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Speaker 1: what if you're going to do these videos where you're

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Speaker 1: just shoving food in your ma, but you also want

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Speaker 1: to look super cute and you don't want your lipstick

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Speaker 1: to either be eaten while you're eating the food or

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Speaker 1: rub off all over you, we should help. And then

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Speaker 1: there is a company that's like, we want people to

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Speaker 1: make videos of them eating our food, but like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think.

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Speaker 2: Anyone's going to on this one.

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Speaker 1: So these two companies Wonderskin. They made this lip thing

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Speaker 1: and you put it on and you have to let

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Speaker 1: it sit for a little bit and then you you like,

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Speaker 1: peel it off. I think, well, yeah, I think you

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Speaker 1: peel it and then yeah, you peel it off, and

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Speaker 1: then there's like a color underneath. So the it goes

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Speaker 1: on in a metallic green color and then you peel

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Speaker 1: it off and it's a lovely rosy color. They teamed

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Speaker 1: up because they wanted it to look like it's an

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Speaker 1: ode to guacamole and tinfoil. So it's not from like

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Speaker 1: the the like God's gift to Burrito's al Farlito. No,

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Speaker 1: this was this is a chain Chipotle. Chipotle joined up

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Speaker 1: with Wonderskin to do a transfer proof guawk proof lip

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Speaker 1: color and it's called Lipotle.

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Speaker 2: It's not called lip bang.

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Speaker 1: It's called Liipotle. And it's for when you're doing a

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Speaker 1: mook bung and you want, like you you know, want

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Speaker 1: to stay fresh lasts all day. It's a formula that

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Speaker 1: is hydrating and then you just take it off with

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Speaker 1: a regular oil based cleanser. Unlike Chipotle, it's a vegan,

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Speaker 1: cruelty free and gluten free, So you got that going

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Speaker 1: for you while you're there.

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Speaker 2: They're bringing that to the Mashupe exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: God seemed like nice up front. This is ridiculous, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: You tell me my eyes are up here, Look up here, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: trying to kill a tree.

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Speaker 1: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: To get back at a person, or maybe a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, or maybe to improve your life or to

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Speaker 2: improve your asset portfolio.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, today I'm going to use up all of our

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Speaker 2: one percent. But we're only talking about tree murder only.

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Speaker 2: This is it is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers. Heis and cons it's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and ridiculous. How did you, Elizabeth sar

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Speaker 2: Remember when I told you about the Great Sheffield Tree War?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do, right, All.

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Speaker 2: Those silver hairs were throwing themselves at the trunks of

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Speaker 2: the trees to protect them, protect their beloved arbors from

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Speaker 2: the choppers. Yeah right now, the wood chopper that is.

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Speaker 2: Remember you were a cat and you witnessed the early

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Speaker 2: morning raid where the tree removers came in like a

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Speaker 1: Okay, it took a couple of years off my life.

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Speaker 2: I read it, Did you looked stressed? Harry One? I

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Speaker 2: would say, in that instance, the trees they were being

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Speaker 2: massacred by local authorities in this senseless fight over who

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Speaker 2: ran the streets of Sheffield, some who controlled the leaf

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Speaker 2: is green edge. But today I have a much different

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Speaker 2: version of them. Okay, today we'll be focusing not on

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Speaker 2: state based anti tree violence, a term I just coined. Instead, rather,

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Speaker 2: we will be focusing on freelance arbor assassins, self appointed

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Speaker 2: tree surgeons, and anti leaf crimes of opportunity are boris

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Speaker 2: side boy, there you go. We're just throwing terms around.

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Speaker 2: I like this coined Elizabeth. You ever seen a grand, tall,

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Speaker 2: old tree removed? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's a sadness to right, it really is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now flipping it. Have you ever seen a tree

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Speaker 1: I have?

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Speaker 2: Okay, how heartbreaking? Was that?

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Speaker 1: Really heartbreaking? Because it's it's usually for like selfish means

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Speaker 1: people want to view and so they poison a tree totally.

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Speaker 2: Or say, say the people own the tree, right, it's

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Speaker 2: their tree, and they still poison it because they want

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Speaker 2: to take it down. Yeah, yeah, even that's sad it is.

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Speaker 1: Did you poisoning of any type of sad saren.

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Speaker 2: Poisoning of life is sad.

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Speaker 1: Any kind of poisoning in life is sad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Dose makes the poison, right,

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Speaker 2: Even water can be a poison. Well, there are a

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Speaker 2: few ways to kill a tree, Okay, I looked into it.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be able to speak with a thorough tare. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so one you can ring it? Did you know about this?

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Speaker 2: You know what this means? Ringing a tree?

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Speaker 1: Refresh meat?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Well, the way we have veins and arteries and

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Speaker 2: trees they have analogs. Right. Trees have skin just like us.

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Speaker 2: Their skin we call bark.

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Speaker 1: I call my skin bark.

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Speaker 2: I know you do. I wish you wouldn't, But it's

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Speaker 2: just like our epidermis. Right, It's a combination of dead

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Speaker 2: So, now, scientists, those amongst us who study trees and plants,

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Speaker 2: tree bark. They break it into layers or rings, if

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Speaker 2: you will. So what's in the side the tree bark?

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Speaker 2: They call that the like vascular cambium. Right, don't worry,

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Speaker 2: I won't be throwing a bunch of Latin terms at you.

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Speaker 2: Nothing you have to remember. But I do know you

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Speaker 2: prefer ancient Greek terms. Sure, so I got some of those,

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Speaker 2: all right. So while we're on the subject, the ancient

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Speaker 2: Greek term is floios, which was a word for tree bark.

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Speaker 2: The Greek words for tree bark, which was the inspiration

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Speaker 2: to tell you the inner cambium layers, Elizabeth. So you

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Speaker 2: have these layers of skin, right, just like we have

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Speaker 2: And inside your skin you have your corpus, that meat

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Speaker 2: your squishy bits. Well, it's this mass of muscles and

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Speaker 2: tendons and ligaments and soft tissue joints, organs. Right, The

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Speaker 2: recently discovered interstitionum are newest part. Look it up. Most importantly,

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Speaker 2: we talked about well, trees, as I said, basically the

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Speaker 2: same thing, but it's in rings. So the rings go,

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Speaker 2: that's where there's squishy bits. Are you with me so far? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So inside the tree skin, inside their bark, you will

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Speaker 2: find this first ring of tissue called flow them. That's

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Speaker 2: from the ancient Preek term flowios p h l oios.

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Speaker 2: Now doesn't it sound like what it is? Flow them right?

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Speaker 2: Flow right? So it's this network of veins that feeds

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Speaker 2: is the product of a tree's photosynthesis. So the veins

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Speaker 2: are distributing sugar from the leaves where the photosynthesis is occurring,

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Speaker 2: So that's that ring of flowam. Now, next inside you

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Speaker 2: find the ring of xylum tissue. Yeah, these are the

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's the last one, flom and xylum. The

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Speaker 2: So xylum comes from an ancient Greek term elizabeth xylon yes, exactly,

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Speaker 2: of these sugar arteries and the water veins. We keep

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Speaker 2: it easy, okay, right, So this all all we learned

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Speaker 2: all this stuff from one guy, This guy Carl Nagali.

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Speaker 2: You never heard of him. I didn't know about him, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I knew some of these plant tree scientists people

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Speaker 2: like you know, like Mendel and stuff, but not this guy.

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Speaker 2: tree parts, these three he's he was big into pollination,

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Speaker 2: goes he talks to his fellow scientist, Gregor Mendel, that

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Speaker 2: monk who was working with the peas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he convinced him to abandon his work on genetics.

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Speaker 2: It's like Mendel, I give up the peas man, it's

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Speaker 2: going nowhere, right, the guy who gives us the seeds

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Speaker 2: of genetic theory. So Negali, he writes to Mendel these

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Speaker 2: give up on his early genetics work, because the dude Nagali.

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Speaker 2: He believes that evolution was not the record of life's sloppy, messy,

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Speaker 2: ongoing quest to better itself. No, no, no, which is

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Speaker 2: what we think of natural selection as Yeah, he believed

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Speaker 2: that nature had quote a inner perfect principle. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: you have to understand he's writing to a monk. They're

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Speaker 2: both really religious. He believed that God's work would be

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Speaker 2: far more organized than what Mendel is putting forward. He's

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Speaker 2: basically saying, you're muddying up God's name, suggesting that God

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Speaker 2: why he got mad at him. Anyway, the result was

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Speaker 2: Mendel's absolutely correct theory for genetics gets shunted, is pushed

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Speaker 2: off to the side. His gardening studies in the eighteen

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Speaker 2: fifties and eighteen sixties, they go nowhere, He's out there

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Speaker 2: in this monastery raising p's. Other monks are like, what

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Speaker 2: monks nuts. Anyway, his whole this stuff about the inheritance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you drill holes and you pour in poison and

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Speaker 1: He people who get rid of tree stumps that way

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Speaker 2: Then one time we poured muriatic acid on it from

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Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, poor Davis. Now this thing would not

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Speaker 2: I was not aware. I don't. I would want to

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Speaker 2: So and this thing is basically using these tree fresh

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Speaker 2: So like I show up, he's all pistol look on

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Speaker 2: that tree and I'm like, O, looks great. He's like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: He's like, I loved the tree, and I loved how

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Speaker 2: to Larry how much he would just go nuts, right,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he moved on to the third thing you

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Speaker 2: a pock marked battlefield, but partially exposed, fully defiant moss

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Speaker 2: to get down to it. He took that tree stump down,

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Speaker 2: then and there right, grabbed his shovel and started covering

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Speaker 1: The guys who cut down trees like that are total artists.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I watch them drop it, the precision of.

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Speaker 2: It, and the good ones use ropes they can really

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Speaker 2: I come from the South. But also, as you know

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Speaker 2: And you know how it happens. The flow them in

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Speaker 2: remover or as he would call it, dynamite, or I'd

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Speaker 2: you blow the hell out of the tree. Now, that's

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Speaker 2: the way he did it back in Texas, at least

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Speaker 2: that's what he'd tell me. In the backyard. In California,

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Speaker 2: that wasn't possible, so he bemoaned lament. He wasn't in

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're talking about today, Elizabeth, folks who'd

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Speaker 2: when we get back.

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Speaker 1: You've given me all these like funny folksy stories to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and that we're too bad, No, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to like, let you see that the humor in it all. Now,

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Speaker 2: by Hi. Sorry apples, Hey those are good? Did you

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Speaker 2: story I found a fifty one year old woman, Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: my name is, but she was living in Madiskin, Madiskin, Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to go to Madiskin, just trust me. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Madison, lovely town, but Madiskin, forget about it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: This woman, she loved her cottonwood tree. You know anything

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Speaker 2: Dang all right, grand old lady of a tree so

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Speaker 2: Keep going. She would also then, like in the summer,

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Speaker 2: It's limbs, barren and empty, only to have then the

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Speaker 2: She loved this tree in all of its many ways

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what could be possibly wrong. Just as

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Speaker 2: These leaves within a short time of popping out, they

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Speaker 2: Then they kind of will wither and drop. She was like,

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Speaker 2: There was no like hanging like moss or like in

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Speaker 2: police in tears, Elizabeth. You see, she suspected her next

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Speaker 2: The police that come out to her house, because it's Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: they got nothing better to do. They're like, yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: they tell her, right, what's going on? Ma'am, like, you

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00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 2: called us, what can we do? G it's on my tree.

432
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, let's get to the bottom of this.

433
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Speaker 1: Was it dropping all that cotton in her in the

434
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Speaker 1: neighbor's yard some kind of guessing. So messy trees, they

435
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 1: are a.

436
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: Bit of a messy dropper, we'll say, right. So she

437
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: believed her next door neighbor wanted her tree dead. The

438
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: cops are like, let's go talk to them. You can

439
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 2: stay here, ma'am. They go next door, they speak to

440
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Speaker 2: the neighbor, the cops. While they're there, they spot in

441
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 2: the backyard a small white funnel and it was quote

442
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: protruding from one of four holes on top of the

443
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: root with a tinted residue inside the funnel. A short

444
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: distance away sat a container with a chemical smelling liquid inside.

445
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: So the roots went into the neighbor's yard.

446
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, exposed roots in the neighbor's yard. But you do

447
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 2: test that, right, It was written in cops speaks. It

448
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: may have been a little bit weird. But the neighbor

449
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: had drilled a hole in the tree root that extended,

450
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: as you noticed, into his backyard. He then used a

451
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: funnel to pour some horrendous chemical concoction into the tree

452
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: to kill it. The funnel was still sitting there in

453
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: the pouring position in the tree root when the cops

454
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: arrive at his door, right on.

455
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Speaker 1: The side of the plastic funnel. Tree poison only totally

456
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Speaker 1: kitchen yea Now.

457
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: When the cops asked about the drilled hole the toxic chemicals,

458
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: the funnel still propped up in the root. Wait for it, Elizabeth.

459
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: According to the Madison Police quote, at first, the neighboring

460
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: property owner said he didn't know what the officer was

461
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: talking about. Sir, turn around, it's right there. So when

462
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: the cops were really to like, we can see the funnel,

463
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: bro It's like, buddy, come on, come on, man, the root.

464
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: If you're treat neighbor's tree, you come on. He's like

465
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: all right now, as the Madison PD reported quote, he

466
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 2: later conceded the liquid in the container could be round up,

467
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: but he felt he didn't break any laws because everything

468
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: that had happened was on his property. He's trying to

469
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: act like a tree's roots. Come like, what are you

470
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: a child? Anyway? This neighbor was a fifty nine year

471
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: old man. The cop cited him for criminal damage. The

472
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: woman who'd planted and raised this cotton went try told

473
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Speaker 2: the police. Quote, if the person had a problem with

474
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: the root or any plant encroaching on his or her property,

475
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: they could have come to her and worked out some

476
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Speaker 2: type of resolution.

477
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

478
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: Now, instead the tree was killed in a cost alone

479
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: a few thousand dollars to have it removed.

480
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Speaker 1: She might have planted it a little close to the

481
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Speaker 1: lot line.

482
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Speaker 2: Oh but yeah, but I'm taking it's something that some

483
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Speaker 2: conversation could be had pay.

484
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Speaker 1: For the half of the problems in this world. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: seventy the problems in this world I'm not talking about

486
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 1: like geopolitical no interperson in people's lives could be solved

487
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: with just speaking plainly, speaking up when it bothers you,

488
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: without you know, coloring it with emotion or any kind

489
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. Yeah.

490
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Speaker 2: And also it's being honest about how you feel to

491
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Speaker 2: the to the extent that you feel and to the

492
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Speaker 2: person who's making you feel the way you feel.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that it's not a personal affront when people

494
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: bring things to your attention exactly. Yeah.

495
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, so that's how we can play out

496
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: on a small scale. Now, however, there are larger coordinated

497
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: efforts to remove trees. Typically those efforts are led by

498
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 2: fat cat developers, greed head house flippers, the people you

499
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: like to call violently wealthy. Yes, right, So, last year

500
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Speaker 2: the Washington Post published a story about how in the

501
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: nation's capital, the stately old trees were under attack by developers.

502
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: Two grand old white oak trees, each one hundred inches

503
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: in circumference. Big daddies had penny sized holes drilled into

504
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: their exposed roots, then poured poison into the trees. The

505
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: once lush, verdant oak trees were soon spindles, moribund, pathetic

506
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: sites a little bit, and soon after that they were dead.

507
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: So who would do such a thing? Turns out was

508
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: a DC developer. He was eyeing the undeveloped lot and

509
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: he poisoned the trees to clear the lot and get

510
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: a hold of the land. They took out two oaks

511
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: and two other elm trees. They killed them because it

512
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: would have been they would have had to pay fines

513
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: for removing the trees, right, so they're like, well'll just

514
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: kill them and they'll take care of itself. City can

515
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: clear them. Well, the city, of course found out they

516
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: discovered the tree murdered. The developer was fined one hundred

517
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: and forty four thousand dollars.

518
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Speaker 1: They shouldn't be allowed to develop on that. That's a

519
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Speaker 1: punishment to.

520
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Speaker 2: That's that totally you know, now interesting you bring that up.

521
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: This dynamic isn't limited to America. So over in the UK, developers,

522
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: real estate firms, they often determined the value of a

523
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: land of a or so it's say a home before

524
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: and after tree removal. They literally will do this. So

525
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: for homes with an unobstructed view of say the coast,

526
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: that can raise the value of a home by a fifth.

527
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Speaker 2: We're talking like a good amount. So Adrian Dunfood, director

528
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: of Taylor Made Estates and Sandbanks, he said of potential

529
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Speaker 2: home sales in his area, quote, a house with no

530
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: view that probably one point five million pounds. A house

531
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Speaker 2: with the the tree in front of it has probably

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: got a partial view. But the gain and value by

533
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: removing that tree might be about twenty percent. So that's

534
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand pound markup removing a tree or a

535
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: few trees, right that suddenly that round up starts to

536
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: look pretty tempting, right. So this is why down in

537
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: Australia some wealthy communities have taken a more proactive stance

538
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: against just blatant tree murder. So at Black's Beach, Great

539
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: Beach in Queensland, there was an incident where forty trees

540
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: got the chop right. This was to clear an ocean view.

541
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Speaker 2: The local town council in Mackay, they learn about this

542
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: and the tree murder, so they vote to erect enormous

543
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: billboards in the exact spot where the trees were removed,

544
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: thus blocking the newly cleared view. So McKay town council

545
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: was like, you take away the trees to get a

546
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: better you, we take away that view.

547
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, I thought like that.

548
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Speaker 2: One thing I noticed I was looking around the world,

549
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: and obviously mostly this was English language newspapers, so there

550
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: was some biases I would have. But in the these

551
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: news outlets lately there's been an increase in tree killings

552
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: around the globe. Really, Oh yeah, why what's motivating all

553
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: this arbor side Elizabeth?

554
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

555
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: One British expert on the subject speculated that COVID and

556
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the lockdown is partially to blame.

557
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: I blame that for absolutely everything everyone's behavior.

558
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, and I quote I think during lockdown,

559
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: a lot of people were sitting at home thinking, we

560
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: keep asking the council to get rid of that tree,

561
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: they won't do it. So I'm going to take matters

562
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: in my own hands. I think in general societies taking

563
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: things into its own hands, we certainly get a lot

564
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: more mister Angries on the phone than we ever did before.

565
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: Right, Right, that's the bad behavior. If everyone would have

566
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: just like joined and focused on sourdough like a large

567
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: contingent of people did. Yeah, you know, they put it

568
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: into something constructive. But yeah, that totally makes sense. People

569
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: sitting around can't go anywhere. You start to get like

570
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: nitpicky on stuff.

571
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: Man. Also, I mean there's an old saying that I

572
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: used to always warned my male friends about a man

573
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: who lives alone too long gets weird. Right, So like

574
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: it's one of those things like you gotta be on

575
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Speaker 2: on the look out for. I think we got a

576
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: lot of men living alone, but it's just across the board. Yeah. Anyway,

577
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: So this supposition, it makes a lot of sense to me,

578
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: but it doesn't capture the full picture because there also

579
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of pre COVID trend of selfishness,

580
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: and it was also motivating this recent rise in tree killings.

581
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: At least, I'll just leave it at that. For instance,

582
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: take the case of the star chef who murdered an

583
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: old lady's tree. Oh god, yeah, Elizabeth, Now we all

584
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: know you watch TV, so I gotta ask we can

585
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: talk about it. I have you ever watched any of

586
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: the fine offerings from Bravo's buffet of reality TV competition shows?

587
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Oh? Like the competition?

588
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you know, America's Next Top Model.

589
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Or Next Tops No, I didn't.

590
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Really correspond whatever the shows are. There's Top Chef.

591
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't like competition.

592
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: I think it was like, can you make a dollhouse?

593
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Speaker 2: I don't know what these shows are. There's these shows,

594
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: the competing, and I guess parents. I don't know a

595
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: bunch of parents. I need to make a dollhouse for

596
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: a child just tapping their tail?

597
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: You know what. I used to watch his Project Runway.

598
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one of them.

599
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: I watched that.

600
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: While Yeah, you know, you do actually watch more TV

601
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: than I do. I don't even know, no idea. I'm

602
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: not kind of doing watching TV right now in my mind.

603
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, there's this contestant for Top Chef. His

604
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: name was Adam Harvey.

605
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: He made it.

606
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't watch that. I used to watch

607
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Iron Chefs. Okay, yeah, Food Network like Ages and the.

608
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: One in Japan with the Japanese chef rely hard on them. Yeah,

609
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: I've seen that really loved food, yes, and seemed to.

610
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: And also seem to appreciate. What I think is the

611
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: most important part of it is like how do you

612
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: share it with others? And how is it an experience?

613
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: Not in terms of like I'm going to take a

614
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: picture of this for Instagram.

615
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: Like the cloud that my food made?

616
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: No ya, how do you nourish another person in an

617
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: experience for them that is like pleasure? Yeah, exactly, very pleasurable.

618
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Speaker 1: And so the stuff like Top Chef, it seems I

619
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Speaker 1: don't I don't like whether they're all yelling at each other,

620
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: and then there doesn't seem to be any kind of

621
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: like appreciation for like ingredients. You know, they're not looking

622
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: at this and being like, oh my god, this is

623
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful tomato, which is I think an important part

624
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: of totally.

625
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Speaker 2: I think if you and Alice Waters had a show,

626
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: that's what it would be yeah, right, it would just

627
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: maybe like listening to her presenting a tomato, presenting a peach,

628
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: that's the show. It's just yeah, exactly perfect. Such. But anyway,

629
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Speaker 2: so twenty fourteen, this guy Adam Harvey, right, he makes

630
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: it pretty far in Top Chef. He was the tenth

631
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: chef eliminated, and I guess there's sixteen chefs. Not that

632
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: far anyway, halfway, he made a little past halfway. So anyway,

633
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: he's on Top Chef and though he didn't come close

634
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: to winning, he did see an increase in his profile

635
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: as a chef because he was on TV and he

636
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: was pretentious or whatever.

637
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

638
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: He had a restaurant in New York City and.

639
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Then one of those chefs that's like has all the

640
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: tattoos and all I love pork belly.

641
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm aggressive. Yeah, he was like, I'm a trendy

642
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: spot where they boast their use of quote farmers market

643
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: ingredients and they also had a farmed party vibe as

644
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: their thing. Oh boy. Oh yeah. So when he first

645
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: launched the restaurant, he attempted this gorilla marketing campaign. He

646
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: tagged the restaurant's logo all over the New restaurant's Park

647
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Speaker 2: Slope neighborhood. I mean everywhere, not just the alleys in

648
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: the walls, but the business fronts, newspaper, vending machines, scaffoldings,

649
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: subway stops at Park Slope, angwanas tech, even the sidewalk

650
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: with they tagged tacky. So yeah, so the when his

651
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: fellow business owners and new neighbors were pissed that he'd

652
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: tagged the whole hood, Adam told him it was all

653
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: it's temporary, faint man, It'll wash off in a few days,

654
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: let it rain. It'll all to be a funny memory, right,

655
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: it might last like a month, thirty days. He said

656
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: that was not the case. Elizabeth lasted longer than that.

657
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: One neighbor took to Instagram to post and I quote

658
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: what genius on the marketing team thought that vandalizing the

659
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: neighborhood was a good advertising idea. Some of us actually

660
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: live here and care about the neighborhood. So that was

661
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: the attitude of his neighbors. Fast forward to twenty eighteen.

662
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: He's now renamed this restaurant and calling it now Bar Saloumi.

663
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's still farmed a party though, as

664
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: its general Ethos. Yeah, I thought you like that. And

665
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: part of his new vibe is to be eco friendly, right,

666
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: because he's changing with the times. You know, I got

667
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: to update the tattoo. So he installed solar panels on

668
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: the roof of the home. He just in Brooklyn, near

669
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: Prospect Park. I'm just sitting in all the names. Yeah.

670
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: The homes listing mentions how the home is on this

671
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: quote tree lined street and includes a photo of an

672
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: enormous tree in the backyard of a neighboring home as

673
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: evidence that the trees are both in front of and

674
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: behind the home a tree lined street. The neighbor was

675
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: a retired New York City public school teacher. She moved

676
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: into the neighborhood in nineteen ninety two. Celebrity chef he

677
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: buys a property next door to this woman. He complains

678
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: to his new neighbor that her enormous tree looks sick

679
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: to me, looks like it may be dead. This is Elizabeth,

680
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: this tree. I want you to picture this tree. It

681
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: was about somewhere between seventy and ninety feet tall, okay,

682
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: she the woman described it as seven stories tall. Dan right,

683
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: It was clearly thriving. This douchebag want to be celebrity chef.

684
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: He wants to play diy agronomist, so he declares the

685
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: tree to be dead or dying. Well, She's like, I

686
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: don't believe that this tree was one of the major

687
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: reasons I bought this home in nineteen ninety two. I've

688
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: taken care of it the entire time. Not only that,

689
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: I've had like you know, arborous recently confirmed it's doing well.

690
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: So she has an The actual arbor is confirmed the

691
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: tree is healthy, not dead or dying. So this elderly neighbor,

692
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: the former schoolteacher, she tells this wanna be celebrity chef

693
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: kick rocks right. So he was like, oh, now, remember

694
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: this echo friendly solar panels the wannabe celebrity chef installed

695
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: on his roof. The seven story tall tree shaded some

696
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: of his solar panels. So what does he do is

697
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: what's cutting down the amount of sunlight that he can

698
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: turn into green energy? That tree turning sunlight into green energy.

699
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like you tell me these stories just

700
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: to get me really really mad. Research the absolute worst

701
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: people that Elizabeth is just gonna like, can we raise

702
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's blood pressure.

703
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Retired school teacher bullied by wannabe celebrity chef, which because

704
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: he's echo friendly. So what is this, Adam Harvey?

705
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Do let me go back to lunching my job and tell.

706
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: Me he secretly hires a tree treaming service to come

707
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: out and chop down the limbs that extend over the

708
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: property line and well past that obviously, because you know

709
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: those lines are hard to draw. So he starts cutting

710
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: into her tree. The retired school teacher now she has

711
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: to go and pay for a lawyer. She sends the

712
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: wannabe celebrity chef a cease and desist order. So what

713
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: does he do now, Elizabeth? Oh god, he gets out

714
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: the drill and he finishes the job himself. But this Jabbroni,

715
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: he gets spotted killing the tree. All the other neighbors

716
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: who have views of the backyard witness him drill holes

717
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: into the tree roots and pour in some kind of

718
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: toxic sludge. This is on the April thirtieth, right, We're

719
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: just say the actually actually is the date April thirtieth.

720
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: The neighbors who witnessed the attempted tree murder, they phoned

721
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: the police that very day. The Brooklyn PD take it

722
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 2: as seriously as it would be in Madison, Wisconsin. They

723
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: roll out the spring into action. They arrest the wannabe

724
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: celebrity chef. Two weeks later, he gets arraigned on charges

725
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: of criminal trespassing and criminal mischief. Now get this, he

726
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: and his wife had not even moved in yet. They

727
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: were still renovating the home, and now all of their

728
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: new neighbors hate them.

729
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

730
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: Has one neighbor told the New York Daily News, and

731
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: I quote, he's outraged everyone in a half mile radius.

732
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: It's really hard for me to follow what he's thinking.

733
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: It's arrogance and a wrong sense of entitlement to come

734
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: here destroy his neighbor's property.

735
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

736
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: Also, according to New York state law, which feels like,

737
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: by the way when I read it, a very old law. Quote,

738
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: if any person, without the consent of the owner thereof cuts, removes, injures,

739
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: or destroys, or causes to be cut, removed, injured, or

740
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: destroyed any underwood tree or timber on the land of another,

741
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: and action may be maintained against such person for treble

742
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: the stumpage value of the tree.

743
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: That you know, there's a there's a subreddit tree law

744
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: that is fastest there is.

745
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh my god.

746
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: And it's like they're all people will take their issues

747
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: there and it's it's it's very intricate, and this the

748
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: treble damages get brought up quite a bit.

749
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is all new to me.

750
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I mean then there are issues of

751
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: like if it's hanging over onto your property what.

752
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. So in this tree on this tree

753
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: tree law, tree law's tree laws subredded? Are these like

754
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: lawyers helping people or just people all containing like this

755
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: is what happened to me? Or are the people get

756
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: away with it?

757
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: You know?

758
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: So I had to learn about things like the stumpage

759
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: value of a tree, right yeah, So anyway that what

760
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: the law means is if you chop down a tree,

761
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: you have to pay obviously triple its value or treble.

762
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: And according to the estimates of New York's Council of

763
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: Tree and Landscape Appraisers, quote, a mature tree can add

764
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: one thousand to ten thousand dollars of value to the home.

765
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: So go ahead and trouble that. And now you're looking

766
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: at a price tag of three thousand to thirty thousand, right,

767
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: but for this wanna be celebrity chef. This sixty year

768
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: old tree was seven stories tall. It's stumpage value is

769
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: almost difficult to estimate. One developer estimated the tree could

770
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: be worth quote hit it's in the four to five

771
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: figure range. Now triple that. So Additionally, the wannabe celebrity

772
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: chef is responsible for the cost of removing the tree

773
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: he killed and also replacing the mature maple tree. So

774
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: teacher gets a new old tree. I don't know how

775
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: that works out anyway. The judge also is shued an

776
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: order of protection for the retired school teacher, so she

777
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: doesn't ever deal with the wannabe celebrity chef anymore, and

778
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: he can't talk to her.

779
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Excellent.

780
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so there you go. That's a good one. I

781
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: kind of thought, right, let's take a little break, and

782
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: after this I got a couple more.

783
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: Nice Elizabeth, Hey, look at us now for this next story,

784
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: I've mentioned it before, but I wanted to go a

785
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 3: little deeper this time.

786
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, do you remember the Alabama super fan who poisoned

787
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: the Auburn trees at Tumor Circle in Passing in the story? Okay,

788
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: well dateline ope, Laika Alabama are purp Harvey Updike Junior.

789
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: Who is Harvey Updike Junior. Yeah, great question, Elizabeth, we

790
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: have your head on the sea.

791
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

792
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: Harvey Almorn Updike Junior was a retired Texas State trooper.

793
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: He moved to Alabama for his sunset years. There he

794
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: became a huge fan of the Alabama college football team.

795
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Alabama's main competition is it's in state rival Auburn, So

796
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: each year they face off in the Iron Bowl. Okay,

797
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: both football programs legendary and are known for their excellence

798
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: on the field. Like, for instance, I know you don't

799
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: really follow to college football. Neither do I, but I

800
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: did know this. In a four year stretch between two

801
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: thousand and nine and twenty twelve, Alabama won three of

802
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: the four college football national championship titles. Wow. The other

803
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: one was won by Auburn. Oh yeah, so that only

804
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: intensified the rivalry.

805
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: Is Alabama roll Tide.

806
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, right, So at Auburn, there's this spot on

807
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: campus called Toomor's Corner. It's where a two are known

808
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: as tumors trees are proudly displayed at the entrance to

809
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: the campus, right, living icons of the school.

810
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Sure.

811
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: So Alabama also had a very famous coach. This is

812
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: Auburn with the trees. Now Alabama, the other school, They

813
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: had a very famous coach named Bear Bryant. You may

814
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: have heard about it.

815
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar.

816
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a very like Taciturn hard not my favorite.

817
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: But anyway, when he died, it was rumored that Auburn

818
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: fans went to Tumor's corner and celebrated the passing of

819
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: their rival's beloved coach like cheered, danced around the tree.

820
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: This was in Discuss nineteen eighty three. So oh, I'm

821
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: not writing it off and just letting you know where

822
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: it was nineteen eighty three, So the story takes place.

823
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: This story takes place in twenty ten. Okay, so the

824
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: converted Alabama fan, mister Updyke Junior, was still carrying that

825
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: anger in his heart even though he wasn't a fan

826
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: from back then. I don't know how he just transported

827
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: the anger forward in time, put it in his heart,

828
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: and pretended like it had been there since eighty three.

829
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: I just want to feel they belong.

830
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: They want to be agreed, I think, especially on these

831
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: emotional terms, like I got my team, their team This

832
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: is a great way to have Yeah, this seems very human. Ye. Anyway,

833
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: the story goes in November twenty ten, after Auburn one

834
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: that year's Iron Bowl, the rivalry game between Auburn and Alabama.

835
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: Quote Al from Dadeville took it upon himself to punish

836
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Auburn with some tree murder. And this genius then called

837
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: a local radio station and confessed what he'd done. He

838
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: called himself Al from Dadeville. Since his middle name is

839
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: al morn right, I'm guessing that's why he called himself

840
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: Al from Daydeville. He also wanted to hide his identity,

841
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: but he also wanted credit for what he had done,

842
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: so he called a local radio station. I don't follow

843
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: it myself, but those are the facts.

844
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: This is a very sad man.

845
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. In anyway, he indeed what did live in Dadeville, Alabama.

846
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: So whatever, Elizabeth, I can tell you about him. Instead,

847
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your eyes and I like

848
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: you to picture it. You are a new producer for

849
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: the Paul Finebaum Show, a call in radio show. It's

850
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: January twenty seventh. It's your first day. You've just moved

851
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: to the area after your previous job as a celebrity.

852
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: Catwalker fizzled out after Selena Gomez fired you for getting

853
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: a raincoat for her hairless cat on a day it

854
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: didn't even rain in La. As the song goes, it

855
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: never rains in La But whatever. You know what, you

856
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: were fired, and now you've moved on. You're in Alabama

857
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: working in local radio. You love it. And since it's

858
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: college football bowl season is just concluding down there in Bama,

859
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: the folks still want to talk SEC football. Studio phone

860
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: rings through. You screened the caller. It's a man who

861
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: says his name is Al from Dayville. He seems a

862
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: bit odd, but then again, many of the callers you've

863
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: spoken to today seem a bit odd to you. Anyway.

864
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: After speaking to him briefly to find out what he

865
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: wants to talk about, you pass on your notes to

866
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: the host, letting him know what to expect. After the

867
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: commercial break, you had a glowing red button and you

868
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: patch through the call. Then you give the signal to

869
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: the host Paul, and you hear, hey, Paul, how you

870
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: doing h well? Well? Thanks? When Bear Bryant died, I

871
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: was living in Texas. I really didn't understand the Alabama

872
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: Auburn rivalry, but a good friend of mine who live

873
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: in Birmingham sent me a copy of the newspaper showing

874
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: the Auburn students rolling Timor's corners celebrating Bryant's death. Uh no, stop, stop, stop,

875
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: stop stop. I even though I know you what you

876
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: just got through saying, and even though I know what

877
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: you're quoting from a newspaper, I just have the most

878
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: difficult time ever believing that Auburn students rolled Tumor's corner

879
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: with the news broke that coach Bryant died. Does anyone

880
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: else remember that? I don't you want me to send

881
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: you a copy? I still have the newspaper clipping. Well,

882
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm kind of awkward here because I'm not doubting your truthfulness.

883
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm just are you guys in the other room as

884
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: in as much shock as I am? I mean, that

885
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: is just one of the most shocking things I've heard.

886
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: I do not want to believe that is true. As

887
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: one of the other guys in the other room. You

888
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: look around at the other guys. All of you are confused,

889
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: all of your faces, some have laughs, beginning to decorate

890
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: their lips with a knowing smile. We got a live one.

891
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: Their faces seem to say, okay, well, let me finish

892
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: my story. Uh, okay, this year I was at the

893
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: iron Ball. No way that could be true. Well, okay,

894
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: this year I was at the iron Ball. Oh okay,

895
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: uh yeah, well I saw where they put a scam

896
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm Newton Jersey on Bear Bryant statue. Okay again, that's

897
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: twenty eight years later. Paul rolls his eyes at you, like,

898
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: what have you done? Well? You hope he's not secretly

899
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: pissed you on your first day. Okay, Well, let me

900
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: tell you what I did. The weekend after ironbol I

901
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: went to Auburn, Alabama, because I live thirty miles away,

902
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: and I poisoned the two tumors trees. Okay, well, well

903
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: that's fair. I put Spike eighty DF in them. Did

904
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: they die? Do?

905
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: What?

906
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: Did they die? They're not dead yet, but they definitely

907
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: will die. Is that is that against the law to

908
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: poison a tree?

909
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: No?

910
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I really don't now I don't know. Okay, well,

911
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: oh okay, roll damn tied. Click So that, Elizabeth, you

912
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: look at your boss, Paul fine Bomb and you mouth

913
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: the words I am so sorry. But he knows this

914
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: is just another day on Alabama Sports Talk radio. Now,

915
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: believe it or not, that was the actual full conversation

916
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: between him. That was the call with Paul finebaumb and

917
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: this was al from Dadeville. A little more than a

918
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: week later, he also called a professor at Auburn University

919
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: and he confessed he had knowledge of who poisoned the trees,

920
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: and then he hung up.

921
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: What is wrong with this?

922
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: This wants to be found out. So, as you know,

923
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: SEC football is second only to Jesus in the South,

924
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: and it's a close second, right, So the authorities they

925
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: get called in. They're like, we're gonna get to the

926
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: bottom of this. So the FBI, the US Marshall Service,

927
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: State of Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, their Pesticides

928
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Management section, the Tallapoosa County Sheriff's office, the Dadeville Police Department,

929
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: and Auburn University's police department, and other administration officials all

930
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: get involved in finding out who this guy is. Solving

931
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: the mystery of who poisoned Auburn's beloved trees. Didn't take

932
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: them along, Elizabeth. Yeah, they got to the heart of it.

933
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: They were able to match the phone number and identify

934
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: the voice of the tree killer, because of course it's recorded.

935
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: I played for you something that was on YouTube. People

936
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: recorded it. They're like, what who is this guy? Evidence

937
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: was easy, like it was match the voice. Anyway, Auburn

938
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: University confirmed their trees had indeed been poisoned. Twenty four

939
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: hours later, Harvey updyke ak Al from Dayville was busted.

940
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: The sixty two year old now sixty two year old

941
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: former Texas State trooper was arrested charged with a felony

942
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: criminal mischief. At first, he denied poisoning the trees, but

943
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: then before his case went to trial, he confessed outside

944
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: the courtroom before a reporter from the Auburn student newspaper. No,

945
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: some student newspaper reporter got him flustered to the point

946
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: that he admitted it to him and basically, I killed

947
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: your trees. You guys are mad, like whatever. I don't

948
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: know exactly what he said, but he couldn't help him

949
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: with So the judge has to help proceedings at that

950
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: point because he's compromised the whole trial by confessing outside

951
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: of court. So now later there were doubts if the

952
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: former Texas State trooper was mentally competent to stand trial.

953
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Updike pleaded not guilty for reasons of mental defect. That

954
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: was his own defense. He was tried, convicted, and sentenced

955
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: to six months in jail, five years probation in order

956
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: to pay eight hundred thousand dollars in restitution. After serving

957
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: seventy six days inside, Updike, he gets released right and

958
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: he gets cleared to leave the state of Alabama because

959
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: they're like, get the hell out, and so even BAMA

960
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: fans were like, do not say roll tide. I swear

961
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: to God, I will smack you. So his probation forbade

962
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: Updike from ever setting foot on Auburn's campus, and he

963
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: had to complete an anger management program. When he got out,

964
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: he'd grown a full jailhouse handlebar and mustache. So he's

965
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: got it looks great. Anyway, he tells the gathered press.

966
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: Did he plan to move to Louisiana LSU watch her anyway?

967
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: Just before his release from jail, he had only one request,

968
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: as his lawyer said, he wanted a banana, and he

969
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: got a banana. That's it. Wait, I don't know, Elizabeth

970
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: that was in the stories. That was like, really, it

971
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: was hilarious. He wanted a banana, and he got a banana.

972
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: That's it.

973
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: That's it.

974
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: So his lawyer, though, also did add one other point.

975
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: He's very sincere. He wants to go back to Louisiana

976
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: and never wants to be heard from me ever again.

977
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: From Louisiana. Go back.

978
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: He may have been born there before he became a

979
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: Texas State trooper. So anyway, a laudable goal for the man.

980
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: But of course he didn't do that. The siren call

981
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: of viral fame couldn't be resisted. Elizabeth our fellow iHeart

982
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: podcast host Morocca from Obituaries covered this story and pointed

983
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: out in his post release Updyke told CBS News quote,

984
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: I wanted Auburn people to hate me as much as

985
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: I hate them. I just don't like Auburn. You know,

986
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: there are several things in this world I really and

987
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: truly don't like. An Auburn is one of them. Okay,

988
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: got hating his heart.

989
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't even go to any of these business.

990
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: You know what that is in the South, it's more

991
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: of a regional thing or like an aspirational thing. Going

992
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: to the school has nothing to do about your diehard legacy.

993
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: At the allegiance to.

994
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: The school concept to escape.

995
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, these are not you know, it's not

996
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: their alma mater. So anyway, it's rising to learn this

997
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: guy's a former Texas State trooper. I wait, no, it's

998
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: not at all. Ohay, sorry Texas, you pulled me over

999
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: too many times. Anyway, Elizabeth, Now I'd like to tell

1000
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: you the story of another famous legendary tree down south.

1001
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: It's known as the Austin Treaty Tree. It's wild to

1002
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: be six hundred years old. It was the tree where,

1003
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: beneath the shady canopy, local Native American tribal leaders met

1004
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: with leaders of the nascent Republic of Texas and they

1005
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: signed treaties between them, making up you know, the the

1006
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: agreements of law and compacts. Right. That was way back then,

1007
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: and this tree stood for centuries. It is a beloved

1008
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: part of Austin. That is until nineteen eighty nine. Getting

1009
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 2: angry yep, that year. That year, not the Taylor Swift album.

1010
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty nine. That was when a semi coherent amateur

1011
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: shaman and psychoknot attempted to perform an occult ritual a

1012
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: psychot Yeah. Yeah, it's when people do drugs and they

1013
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: take it really seriously and they say psycho.

1014
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: Knot, You're just again, You're like, what now you're.

1015
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Not communicating with yourself, you like being honest with your

1016
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: this is You're.

1017
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Like, what kind of things do? What? What does Elizabeth

1018
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: get most irritated?

1019
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes, people on psychedelics doing horrendous things to living creatures

1020
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: and acting like, you know, I did this because it's

1021
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: part of my journey.

1022
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you're standing in their right there.

1023
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: So the story goes Elizabeth. In the spring of eighty nine,

1024
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: the city forester of Austin, they got a city forester,

1025
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: tall John Gedritis. He discovered the famed, iconic beloved Treaty

1026
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: Tree was dying, and not from a natural death. There

1027
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: were the telltale signs of poison. So there was like,

1028
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: for instance, a wide yellow ring of dead grass surrounding

1029
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: the tree. There it is, I'm seeing it. So this

1030
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: new growth was also on the tree was shriveled up, died,

1031
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 2: and it was also you know, dying, I guess, dried

1032
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: up and dying. The city forester he orders chemical analysis,

1033
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: like what happened? What's been you know? Going on? The

1034
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: analysis shows that the tree had indeed been poisoned like

1035
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: that was not the question. But he finds out that

1036
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: whoever tried to kill the tree used enough poison to

1037
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: kill one hundred trees. What it was just like a

1038
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: chemical dump. Basically, this was like that was super hard. Yeah,

1039
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: no past that. This is like a super fun site

1040
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: Larry did over time, you know, and it leached into

1041
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: the soil. This is just like one big dump all

1042
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: at once. Anyway, when news spread, the city forester's heart

1043
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: was warmed Elizabeth by his fellow citizen's reaction. According to

1044
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: local station kV u E, the citi's forester get right

1045
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: to said quote, the people of Austin responded with outrage

1046
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 2: and love. People came here and prayed, brought chicken soup.

1047
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: I don't know why treated chicken soup. I think it's

1048
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: for him. Anyway. They left money crystals. We spent a

1049
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand dollars, but we didn't have to spend

1050
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: city money because h Ross Perot, the Texas industrialist and

1051
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: former presidential candidate, called me and said, no matter how

1052
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: long it takes, just send me the bell. That was

1053
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: good for us about it right now?

1054
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: Not only that, and he he stuffed up totally yeah.

1055
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Ah truss pro used to let throw his money around

1056
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: for things he believed in it. There's stuff about him

1057
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: storry with the Afghanistan and anyway, So not to get

1058
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: an all sidetracked. But now at this point the story

1059
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: goes viral, right who killed the treaty tree? Others from

1060
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: around the country, even around the world, Elizabeth, they come

1061
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: in to try to help us save this beloved tree.

1062
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: So botanists, agronomous, arborous all labor together. They create a

1063
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: canopy to shade the tree from the punishing Texas summer sun.

1064
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: They add a mister system to kind of like, you know,

1065
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: keep it cool and wet. Tell them even experimented with

1066
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: this constant like drip system or they would feed sugar

1067
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: water like an ivy bag right into the tree.

1068
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: It's like a tree ICU totally id.

1069
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had like like thirteen different guys doctor

1070
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: House trying to save this tree. This I thought you'd

1071
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: like this, right, but I didn't want to leave you

1072
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: out too bad at the end. No, No, let's keep listening.

1073
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Speaker 2: Don't worry. But no one had any guesses as to

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Speaker 2: who would do such a thing as to poison the tree.

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00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: Now that they've kind of got the tree in the

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00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: ICU as you wind out. Yeah, they still had no

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00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: leads on the perp till one day someone contacted the

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Speaker 2: police Elizabeth. They said their friend, a man named Paul

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Speaker 2: Steedman Cullin, had bragged no relation to Oprah's a boyfriend

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00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: anyway that we know that we know of, bragged to

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Speaker 2: them that he'd killed the treaty tree. The police were like,

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00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: what are you sure. You seem kind of like a

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00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: dirty hit beat to us. The guy's like, look, my friend,

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00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: I swear to God it's him. He did it. The

1085
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: cops were like, okay, well, would you be willing to

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Speaker 2: wear a wire and get a confession.

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Speaker 1: From your friend as I would? I hope he said.

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00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: This dirty hippie friend was like, mike me up. So

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00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: he went in there. Cops outfitted him with a listening

1090
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: device mike whatever, and they sent him to go talk

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Speaker 2: to Paul Steadman Cullin to get him to confess again

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00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: to tree murder. So, sure enough, this guy does it.

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00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: He's got no brains. He's just like, oh, yeah, I

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00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: killed that tree, or kill another tree, right, like he

1095
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: that's not exactly what he said. But he gets subsequently

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00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: arrested and tried. At his trial, the police they play

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00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: the secret recording of Culland's confession. What emerges is the

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00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: motive Elizabeth according to Austin police, and I quote, it

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00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: came out in his trial that he was in love

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Speaker 2: with his counselor at his methadone clinic. Oh good god,

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00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I just knew this would go. And this

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00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: is Austin's Forrester good ryde Is he added the mo

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00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: for this love struck occultist with the former heroin problem

1104
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: trying to get clean. According to him, Collins quote drew

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00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: a magic circle at the base of the tree and

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00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: would put something of his own or his spurn love

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00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: and the tree would die or he'd die. So it

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00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: was sort of a magical ritual or spell like that.

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00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: So in other words, this guy tried to kill a

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00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: six hundred year old tree to gain dark sex magic

1111
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: powers and convince his methodone counselor that he was the

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: man of her dreams. That's what happened to Who told

1113
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: him to do this? The universe, Yeah, the cards, the crystals,

1114
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: the universe. I don't know, I don't know how one

1115
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: reaches this conclusion, but there was some arcane, abstract math

1116
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure done. Later in the trial he changed his story.

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00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: He said he was innocent. I don't know what all

1118
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: this occult stuff is. Despite what he'd confessed earlier. The

1119
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: jury was like, yeah, no, you're guilty as hell. We're

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00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: gonna put you under the jail. So he was sentenced

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00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: to nine years in prison. Yea, yeah, he serves three

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00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: of them. But there was a silver lining in all

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00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: of this other than in him getting jail time. You

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: know one thing I think you I think you'll like

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00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: this when Elizabeth, I swear to God look at this face.

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00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: I sometimes but I trust that the Austin.

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00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: Treaty Tree survived. So we got that going forest had

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00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: some scars from the murder attempt, but it's still thriving, amazing.

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00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: That's not the exciting part. That's not the part I

1130
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: think you'll like. Yeah, the silver lining is this. Remember

1131
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: the Austin City Forester. Yeah, John Gadritis, Well, things worked

1132
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: out really well for him and his efforts to save

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00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: the blood of Tree. I met this wonderful girl and

1134
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: I was going to get married to her. So underneath

1135
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: the Treaty oak, I knelt down and proposed to my wife.

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00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: I chose this tree to propose to my wife, and

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00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: this guy call and tried to kill it. So it's

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00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: pretty personal. But I'm still married and the tree is

1139
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: doing great.

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00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. But I thought you were going to say

1141
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: that he proposed to the Methadone council.

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. They fell in love, That's what

1143
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: I thought.

1144
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: The man of her treats is the tree armiste who

1145
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: actually they.

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00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: Both were in social services. It makes a lot of sense,

1147
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: and he never said it was. They both tend to life.

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00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, Rightah.

1150
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: So last bit of good news when all those local

1151
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: folks stepped in and they were trying to save the

1152
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: poison tree, well they took shoots from the tree and

1153
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: planted them all over the city. So now there are

1154
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: hundreds of children of the tree to yoke, all growing.

1155
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: Oh I love that right now. In researching these stories,

1156
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: I noticed a few patterns, right. I was reading a

1157
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: bunch of these are all around. I told you in

1158
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: English language outlets. For one, when wealthy people kill trees,

1159
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: they don't go to prison or jail. They pay for

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: the crime. I noticed, Yeah, in some ways like the

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00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: developers or the other rich people. It's just like for

1162
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: them it becomes a cost of doing business. They could

1163
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: just factor it in. But when the purpose are lower incomes,

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00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: suddenly we get prison in jail sentences from the same

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00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: crimes of killing a tree. It's interesting America, I know, right. So,

1166
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: but in twenty fifteen, there was a developer in Bellevue, Washington.

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 2: He iced or actually literally salted one hundred and twenty

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00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: three poplar trees and because why Elizabeth, they blocked the

1169
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: view for his luxury real estate properties he had for sale.

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00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: He was caught, tried, convicted, He caught a forty five

1171
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: days in jail sentence for tree killing. So they sent

1172
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: his butt to jail time and there the judge said

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00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: she wanted to quote send an appropriate message to our

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00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: community about the way we view your actions. So this

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00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 2: trend is maybe changing. And also down in Australia, where

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00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: rivers can be awarded the legal protection of a person,

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00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: the lawmakers are considering making tree murder a criminal offense

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00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: punishable by serious time in prison. Because here's the deal. Trees,

1179
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: they are the key to the planet for a lot

1180
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: of things. They literally are the planet's lungs. Trees are

1181
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: how we all breathe other than our own lungs, obviously,

1182
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: but they can live for hundreds of years. They improve

1183
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: the environment, They lower ambient temperatures, they oxygenate the air,

1184
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: They provide beauty shade. So far the home to animals, insects.

1185
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: Trees are this miracle of life's design. Right, And having

1186
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: read about all these tree murder attempts and successful tree killings,

1187
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: I gotta say I agree with the Aussies. All legal

1188
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: systems should defend them fioustly.

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00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, another reason to love Australia.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, what's your ridiculous takeaway here?

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that if people had more

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00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: respect for for things that kept them going, and you know,

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00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: we'd all be better off. But we already know that.

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00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I just I want more trees. I want more trees

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00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: around us. I know a lot of people, you know,

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: they don't like the leaf drop or the you know,

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: the stuff that comes off of pecan tree or pecan

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00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: in the South. I used to come lawn pubes because

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00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, sometimes you have to deal

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: with a little mess or you know, down branches occasionally.

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00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: As Mendel found, life is messy.

1202
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 2: That's that's how life works.

1204
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: That's how big believer.

1205
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 2: Trying to see too clean, too delineated, then you missed

1206
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: the whole. That's Gelli's problem. He wanted it to be neat, orderly, tidy,

1207
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: and Mendel's like, no, man, it's it's all about chaos

1208
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: and change and like what works best. Let life be messy.

1209
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: You like to say, let wild, wild be wild. I say,

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00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: let life be messy.

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Speaker 1: I like that to.

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Stand think that. No, that's it.

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Speaker 1: You're ridiculous with.

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Speaker 2: That, ridiculous but boom there it is. So hey you

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