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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George Nori with Nancy Dutietra and

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Speaker 2: her website linked up at Coast to coastam dot com.

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Speaker 2: Why do they call you the skeptical psychic Nancy because.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: A lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's how that goes. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 3: always I it takes me a lot to believe in anything,

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Speaker 3: particularly you know, the Carl Sagan's extraordinary claims and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I like to test everything out.

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Speaker 2: As a psychic. What would you say you specialize in?

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Speaker 3: What do I specialize them? Well, I mean I trained,

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Speaker 3: I was apprenticed for ten years with a psychic detective

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Speaker 3: Naso and Weber, and so there's that, and there's the

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Speaker 3: remote viewing work that I've done for you know, I've

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Speaker 3: been teaching that for eight years. So that's a specialty.

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Speaker 3: And what I'm doing is I'm actually returning a little

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Speaker 3: bit to my roots, going back to just you know,

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Speaker 3: face to face psychic work, which is its completely different.

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I had heard with remote viewing and many of them

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Speaker 2: that I've interviewed over the years that you really must

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Speaker 2: not think about what you're doing but just let it happen.

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Speaker 4: Is do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean I have to go into sort of

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Speaker 3: a quasi trance state where I'm just not thinking, or

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Speaker 3: I like to sometimes I'll allow myself to sort of

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Speaker 3: work on something, get it out of my system, and

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Speaker 3: then I will It's almost like you have to go

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Speaker 3: to that space in your mind that sandwiched between two thoughts.

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Speaker 3: In other words, there's like an empty space there. You're

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Speaker 3: not thinking about it, but your mind wanders there and

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Speaker 3: it picks up data.

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Speaker 2: One of our dear friends, Paul Smith, who was one

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Speaker 2: of the original remote viewers with the government, wrote a

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Speaker 2: book called Reading the Enemy's Mind.

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Speaker 4: Good Guy, Good Guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I wanted to go back because I

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Speaker 3: think it's important and I don't want this to sort

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Speaker 3: of disappear in the conversation. But I wanted to go

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Speaker 3: back to what we were talking about with the Paris

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Speaker 3: Echo UAP conference, and I wanted to go back to

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Speaker 3: what Chris Mellan said there. And Chris Mellon has been,

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Speaker 3: by the way, extremely gracious. We've communicated several times. He's

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Speaker 3: been actually very nice. He gave me a copy of

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Speaker 3: his the presentation that he did its Soul.

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Speaker 4: Also, and he's a believer, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, listen, I don't I don't take anything

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Speaker 3: for I mean, I don't know. I start, that's my

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Speaker 3: starting place, all right. But what I wanted to show

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Speaker 3: you was a very slight progression, a difference between I mean,

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Speaker 3: what was said at Echo and what was set at Soul.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, he.

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Speaker 3: Started out, Okay, this was in Paris, and he said,

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Speaker 3: you know, we have these grave tensions with today on

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Speaker 3: climate warming, lots of issues, he says, that require unprecedented

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Speaker 3: international cooperation. Okay, that makes sense. Then he said, and

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Speaker 3: I was taking crazy notes and I speak fluent French,

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Speaker 3: so I was, you know, going back, because half this

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Speaker 3: thankfully his but I took lots of notes. He said,

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Speaker 3: maybe we need a shock today to help humanity come

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Speaker 3: together and to find a common interest so that we

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Speaker 3: can come together. The threat of war today is clearly growing. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well that, yeah, there are advantages to bring this information

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Speaker 3: And I was particularly interested because, of course, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: I'm going back to what Carol Rosen said. She was

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Speaker 3: he tearfully on his deathbed had repeated several times that

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Speaker 3: there's actually an agenda that's been going on for decades,

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Speaker 3: and the first one and is to promote sort of

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Speaker 4: That's what warned us about.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And by the way, the Department's Defense

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Speaker 3: Rosen said that that Verna von Brunt. He said, first

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Speaker 3: He said, Then there's going to be the terrorist threat. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because he said, ets are not fundamentally threatening us.

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Speaker 2: But we keep hearing about this false flag, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, false flag absolutely. And so when Chris Mellan was

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Speaker 3: talking about we need a shock today to help humanity

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Speaker 3: I asked him about it, and it was interesting because apparently,

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Speaker 3: Chris was still working on his presentation resolved when he

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Speaker 3: into great detail this time about this shock concept, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so he said in his because I have his presentation, uh,

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Speaker 3: he said, more to the point, we need a shock

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Speaker 3: to reframe international perspectives in order to manage and ncause

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Speaker 3: goes back to you know, remember nineteen eighty seven President

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Speaker 3: Reagan made an address to UN Assembly and he said,

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Speaker 3: you know, I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide

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Speaker 3: would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from

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Speaker 4: He was, and he was serious about that, and.

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Speaker 3: He was serious. Okay, But so then now I'm wondering. Okay.

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Speaker 3: At first I thought this whole national security thing was

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Speaker 3: to be an awful lot closer to vernivon Bronze idea. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily for the purpose of disclosing, which

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Speaker 3: Does that mean, okay, are we asking for the historical

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Speaker 3: I'd like some to define what that means. What does

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Speaker 2: And of the people. Of the people in the conference,

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Speaker 2: which one impressed you the most?

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Speaker 3: Impressed me the most in terms of present Well, I

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Speaker 3: Chris Mellon was saying. I think Luke Deni, who is

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Speaker 2: It sounds French, right, Oh, yes, he's very French.

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Speaker 3: Center for Scientific Research, and he's come up with a

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Speaker 2: Did anybody hints that these were dimensional or coming from

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Speaker 3: Like that, primarily just this guy, which was again, you know,

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Speaker 3: and what I actually I think I mentioned to Chris

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Speaker 3: Mellan at some point, was you know, if if we

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Speaker 3: experts into your group of you know, astrophysicists and biologists

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, we're going to take calls next hour with Nancy

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Speaker 2: about these UFOs UAPs. If you want to ask her

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Speaker 2: about remote viewing, jump aboard on that. She's an expert

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Speaker 2: on that into that in a big way. Did they

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Speaker 2: come up with any conclusions, Nancy?

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody has any conclusions. This is all

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Speaker 3: a really big exploration. And as I said, the French

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Speaker 4: How did they end the conference?

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Speaker 3: They ended it with a film actually of an actual

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Speaker 2: Was this a government sponsored the conference or an individual

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Speaker 2: put this on or no?

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Speaker 3: No, no, privately run, privately run. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: you know what I was really shocked about. There are

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Speaker 3: only ten organizations national organizations in the world that are

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Speaker 3: actually engaging in research and investigations of UAPs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not that much.

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Speaker 3: Now, and I mean it's ritually not and they're most

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Speaker 3: and a bunch of other Scandinavian countries. They got no

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Speaker 3: information on UAPs. US is really leading the charge on

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Speaker 3: this and they have got to. I'm much I don't

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Speaker 3: understand what they're doing.

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