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Speaker 1: Tommy Cairo No. I've had the pleasure of finally meeting.
Speaker 2: This past Saturday can Rant and it was so weird
Speaker 2: because I obviously I've watched you on the n c
Speaker 2: W to.
Speaker 1: Apparently we were there.
Speaker 2: At the same time, but neither of us remember meeting.
Speaker 3: What what I got much later years later was that
Speaker 3: we were in some kind of mixed tag I don't remember,
Speaker 3: and you were just learning I think, or just you
Speaker 3: were actually training to wrestle, right.
Speaker 1: I was until Paul told me not to.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing somebody should done was send you
Speaker 3: right out of that building and on your way and
Speaker 3: never come back.
Speaker 1: I say that all the time, but you know I changed.
Speaker 3: Career path when I met when I when I, uh
Speaker 3: not when I met you, but when I read through
Speaker 3: could see through your your character that you were too
Speaker 3: nice for this.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know you're bringing a bell for me.
Speaker 2: I think I partnered with Tommy Dreamer, Yes and maybe yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so at like one of the high school
Speaker 2: gyms or something.
Speaker 3: Now I'm so glad that you don't remember it either,
Speaker 3: because then I would be like, wow, I'm shot. I
Speaker 3: can't remember nothing. So you don't remember it either.
Speaker 2: You triggered my memory because now I am remembering that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so we did.
Speaker 3: Meet, Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember you being around much.
Speaker 3: Well, I figure, you gotta figure. I was this since
Speaker 3: ninety two.
Speaker 1: Right, and I started in late ninety three.
Speaker 3: So ninety two ninety three, but ninety four I was
Speaker 3: probably one of my busiest years there. This is weird
Speaker 3: that whole year would stand man with Singapore came. I mean,
Speaker 3: Dreamer was nowhere in the picture at that point. We
Speaker 3: did so a solid year of that. You had to
Speaker 3: I imagine you were there.
Speaker 1: I was there. I was I I'm still training.
Speaker 3: Yeah you must have not been been with Dreamer yet then. No. No.
Speaker 2: When I started, I started as a plant. They put
Speaker 2: me in the crowd as Stevie Richard's girlfriend, and that
Speaker 2: was in ninety five. But before then they had me
Speaker 2: like for a year and a half, I was doing
Speaker 2: house shows, just filling in and you know.
Speaker 1: Doing little.
Speaker 3: I was gone on ninety five.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's what I work.
Speaker 3: And I did you know I was a rebel like
Speaker 3: I did. First of all, I have a background as
Speaker 3: union electrician. I put cell phone towers on top of
Speaker 3: Giant Stadium. So I did that kind of work for
Speaker 3: many years. And I have a pension because of that.
Speaker 3: So I don't make any bones about it. I had
Speaker 3: so many opportunities. I could have taken advantage of it,
Speaker 3: but I could not walk away from the money that
Speaker 3: I was making. And I met my wife in eighty nine.
Speaker 3: I was only in the business three years at that point.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I went to Japan, I did ECW,
Speaker 3: and I but my career in my Just to give
Speaker 3: you an idea, my wife went to see HER's sister
Speaker 3: up in North Jersey and she went to some memorabilia place.
Speaker 3: It wasn't Tommy Fierro's place, somewhere else, and she brought
Speaker 3: me back a E. CW sticker, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I kind of looked at her. She goes, what's the matter,
Speaker 3: I don't know, why'd you bring me that? She goes,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just figured, I said, honey, if
Speaker 3: for all these years, you know, he used to go
Speaker 3: there with a stomach ache. When Poul got there, he
Speaker 3: just didn't like me and didn't want to use me correctly.
Speaker 3: And I used to go there try not to get
Speaker 3: buried and try to get whatever I could out of
Speaker 3: it until I could find a way, you know, somewhere
Speaker 3: else to go, which I did, and then I just
Speaker 3: calmly walked away. But the funny thing is like everybody
Speaker 3: that was there kind of hangs their hat primarily on
Speaker 3: their time in ECW and I don't you know, and
Speaker 3: I don't. I felt like it took me backward.
Speaker 2: I think because you had a bad You're from what
Speaker 2: I'm getting just by those couple of sentences, you had
Speaker 2: a really negative experience.
Speaker 1: Whereas I had a positive experience. And that's why I
Speaker 1: praised the company so much.
Speaker 2: But I want to backtrack with you.
Speaker 1: You were good with Todd Gordon.
Speaker 3: Go with Todd, and I was great with Eddie.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So then Eddie leaves.
Speaker 3: Right, I was there that night. Well I can say
Speaker 3: is this. I don't know, nobody's ever said it, but
Speaker 3: Paul's very lucky that Doug didn't put him through a
Speaker 3: wall because Doug Gilbert was pissed off beyond repair, just really,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was gonna erupt in to something,
Speaker 3: you know, ugly, but it did.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why though, Why why.
Speaker 3: Not? Because Paul fired Eddie, Paul took Getty's place. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't know the circumstances. I've heard a lot of
Speaker 3: different things. Doesn't concern me. My thing is, I could
Speaker 3: sum up my time there with the fact that I
Speaker 3: never went in through that back door. I answered, where
Speaker 3: do people go in? Every time? Because I had a wife,
Speaker 3: I married her. I met her in eighty nine, we
Speaker 3: got engaged in in a year, and married in ninety one,
Speaker 3: so I've been with her forever. I've been guilty of
Speaker 3: many things, but I have never ever been unfaithful to
Speaker 3: my wife. I don't go in places where there's women.
Speaker 3: I don't go to bars, I don't go to clubs.
Speaker 3: Good for you, you know I did all that. I
Speaker 3: bounced for twelve years, eight years in Manhattan. So I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, there's no there's there's no good comes from them.
Speaker 3: And I'm a Christian. You know we don't do that, right,
Speaker 3: So My point is they knew how I was then,
Speaker 3: and that I had a wife, and I didn't bring
Speaker 3: my wife one week and then have a rat with
Speaker 3: me the next week, my wife one week and cozy
Speaker 3: enough to one of the whatever. I didn't live my
Speaker 3: life like that. I didn't want to see it. I
Speaker 3: don't want to be a part of it. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be privy to it. I don't want to
Speaker 3: know nothing. There was many times I stayed in the
Speaker 3: hotel across the street from where everybody was staying various places,
Speaker 3: because I don't I didn't need somebody knocking on my
Speaker 3: door at three o'clock in the morning with a with
Speaker 3: a crack pipe. You know.
Speaker 1: So did the boys look at you as being anti social?
Speaker 3: No? No, because Hack and I got in trouble for
Speaker 3: hanging out together in Philly when he was supposed to
Speaker 3: be blind, and everybody, you know how serious they took
Speaker 3: it back then and we got he from whoever got
Speaker 3: back to the got back to Todd or Paulie that
Speaker 3: you know we're because we hung out together, my wife
Speaker 3: Laurie and him. We stayed at the house. You know,
Speaker 3: they went shopping together. You know, we were tight and
Speaker 3: you know. But here's the thing, all right, And I
Speaker 3: don't want to dwell one hundred percent on you know,
Speaker 3: ECW because so many other things are going on in
Speaker 3: my life that are so positive. But I'll say this,
Speaker 3: and I say this with confidence that there's not too
Speaker 3: many people that were rebuke this or have a rebuttal
Speaker 3: Paul would have liked to have getting gotten rid of
Speaker 3: me a lot sooner, right. I wouldn't quit until I
Speaker 3: felt I was ready to go, and he wouldn't fire me.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. He was scared to death
Speaker 3: of me, okay, And the people that knew me knew
Speaker 3: that there was really wasn't anybody in that lack of
Speaker 3: locker room that can challenge me. And that's for real.
Speaker 3: I don't care who's this and who's a gangster, and
Speaker 3: let somebody tell me otherwise. And with one leg today,
Speaker 3: I'll whit their ass. And I hate to be like that,
Speaker 3: but when you got these phony tough guys walking around,
Speaker 3: you got and I look around today and I see
Speaker 3: what everybody looks like. And I've been through hell, right,
Speaker 3: And I don't touch anything. I smoke my weed and
Speaker 3: that's all I do. No pills, no, nothing. So you know,
Speaker 3: somebody came up to me. I'm not gonna mention any names.
Speaker 3: You were there. Somebody came up to me and asked
Speaker 3: me for drugs. And that's the only reason the perstone
Speaker 3: was there. And I said, because Carl, you always got drugs.
Speaker 3: I go, bro, that's fucking thirty years ago. Excuse my language,
Speaker 3: it's thirty years ago. What do you mean? So there
Speaker 3: are some of those people are still living that same life.
Speaker 3: And I didn't do that, not snorting cocaine off for
Speaker 3: hooker's asses. Sorry, yeah, fine, And you're fine.
Speaker 2: So you're not a problem from what I understand. You
Speaker 2: get it work, okay, You go to work, You do
Speaker 2: your job. You don't argue about the angle, whatever is
Speaker 2: thrown at you. You're a team player, you do it.
Speaker 2: Why did you have such a problem with Paul?
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's something that he didn't like about me,
Speaker 3: and it was evident, and I, like I said, and
Speaker 3: you know, I stood up and mopened my mouth so
Speaker 3: many times in that locker room. And I want to
Speaker 3: tell you who is it that when you see Paul
Speaker 3: standing up there on it, you know, stairway and at
Speaker 3: one video and you see Terry Funk looking up at him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, even Terry Funk was mesmerized. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. What did Paul do that was
Speaker 3: so great? He ripped off a lot of people. He
Speaker 3: hurt good people into business, like Dennis Cortluzzo. Here's the
Speaker 3: guy that goes into business for themselves, for himself because
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what it's like to be in the rent.
Speaker 3: It's not a worker. Never got to dance every Saturday
Speaker 3: night or or handle one out. And that's the way
Speaker 3: I worked. I worked, you know, it's a it's a fight,
Speaker 3: and I was happy to do that. And I did
Speaker 3: anything they asked within reason. But I was going when
Speaker 3: I wanted to go. And the truth is I walked
Speaker 3: up because I couldn't walk. My back was shot at
Speaker 3: the time I needed. I couldn't even go to all
Speaker 3: my work on my regular job. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that, you know, Todd, I think should have
Speaker 3: held on to some more guys. And when they say, oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything until Paul got there, really look
Speaker 3: at look at some of the matches. Look at some
Speaker 3: of the Singapore Canyon matches. Match I had a dreamer
Speaker 3: all over the building and tell me that they weren't drawing.
Speaker 3: We're doing the same twelve thirteen hundred, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and we were doing just as good with Eddie, and
Speaker 3: then that happened, and then for me, for a lot
Speaker 3: of other guys, it was good. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: anything else when the change of the changing of the
Speaker 3: guard comes, sweet clean new broom, sweeps clean, boom, and
Speaker 3: it bring your guys in. And I have no problem
Speaker 3: with that, but I just there was a lot of
Speaker 3: shit going on with that I didn't like. They knew
Speaker 3: I didn't like it, so maybe therefore they looked at
Speaker 3: me like I was definitely not a prude. But it's
Speaker 3: not bad. But I have a wife. I bring her
Speaker 3: with me here. I'm not coming back next week without
Speaker 3: her and doing anything I'm not supposed to do, right,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be. And there's a lot of shit
Speaker 3: that went on that should never going on. You know,
Speaker 3: I look at it like this. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: naming anybody any names, just in general. Yeah, anytime you
Speaker 3: have a girl whos either underage and you have more
Speaker 3: than one guy in a room, first of all, I
Speaker 3: don't know what kind of lifestyle these people leave. But
Speaker 3: I think you've got to be a half a fag
Speaker 3: to want to be in a room with another guy
Speaker 3: and a girl, let alone, three girls, three guys. I
Speaker 3: don't know, whatever, whatever, maybe that's cool. Maybe they think
Speaker 3: that's cool. That sounds like schoolboy stuff, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying now, a lifestyle to live, you know, the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. And I don't know that they
Speaker 3: all do. But I see a lot of sorry looking people,
Speaker 3: and I just I'm just glad that I made the cut,
Speaker 3: I got my atget oh, And.
Speaker 2: I understand that, right, but that shouldn't interfere with what
Speaker 2: goes on at work.
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's.
Speaker 2: Like leisure time, right. And I'm not saying it's correct.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's.
Speaker 1: A right way to live or with it, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But what happens at.
Speaker 2: The arena should not affect you the way like if
Speaker 2: you hung out afterwards, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like they you know a lot of stuff so to speak,
Speaker 1: might have been swept under the rug or whatever because
Speaker 1: it's the boys, and you know, like we've all seen stuff.
Speaker 2: I've seen things that I just shook my head and
Speaker 2: wasn't a part of. But it's the boys, and that
Speaker 2: was the excuse all these years, you know, the boys
Speaker 2: would be the boys or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, what happens when it's later in life and you're
Speaker 3: a father now and you've got girls. Listen, we cannot
Speaker 3: deny the fact that throughout history pro wrestling there are
Speaker 3: broken women.
Speaker 2: Oh no, stop, I am not justifying what might not
Speaker 2: have happened to any of those girls or what.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of this stuff I wasn't privy
Speaker 1: to because I wasn't the part. I wasn't on the
Speaker 1: party side. I didn't do the drugs or you know,
Speaker 1: the the.
Speaker 2: You know, excessive alcoholism and stuff like that. Like that
Speaker 2: wasn't my scene. And I think that's part of the
Speaker 2: reason why I'm still sitting here today.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, I mean, but but what my question to.
Speaker 2: You is, you know you didn't want to come around that,
Speaker 2: and I understand that, and that's very admirable of you.
Speaker 2: But when you get to the wrestling part, like you
Speaker 2: had that that whole thing with with sand Man, I'm
Speaker 2: eating peaches in the backyard, like I remember that promo.
Speaker 2: I laughed like hell at that promo. I thought it
Speaker 2: was very clever stuff like that. Do you feel like
Speaker 2: if Paul did not come in and Eddie still had
Speaker 2: the book, do you feel like that company would have
Speaker 2: taken off the way it did when Paul came into play,
Speaker 2: Because you seem like, like, I'm not knocking your opinion.
Speaker 2: Everybody's lay out an opinion, but I feel like you're
Speaker 2: you're just not given Paul enough credit for taking it
Speaker 2: to the next level. And even Todd said, because I
Speaker 2: love Todd to death and what happened between those two,
Speaker 2: that's their thing, you know. But when when somebody asked,
Speaker 2: Todd's always like, well, Paul took it to the next level.
Speaker 3: Okay, well no, no, but that doesn't mean anything more
Speaker 3: than he took it to the next level.
Speaker 2: I mean, why do you're you're saying to me, like,
Speaker 2: like that scene from Beyond the Mat when Paul is
Speaker 2: standing on the uh the staircase in the back right
Speaker 2: and we're all standing there and we're all looking at
Speaker 2: him with love in her eyes. That was and you're
Speaker 2: you're seeing you're making a face. I can explain why
Speaker 2: I felt the way I did. It was because it
Speaker 2: was our first pay per view and when I started there,
Speaker 2: like they were given away hot dogs and soda to
Speaker 2: get people in the building and then to see us
Speaker 2: get so far as to do a pay per view.
Speaker 3: It part of the cup, but in the end you
Speaker 3: beat people out of money that never got paid back.
Speaker 1: I understand, but you're you're fast forwarding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all the person that I saw and
Speaker 3: what I saw, what I experienced. Sorry, so is what
Speaker 3: you're showing me on him? Never?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not trying to I'm trying to
Speaker 2: explain to you my feeling that EI and you're welcome.
Speaker 3: To your fure. We can't like everybody the same. I mean, sure,
Speaker 3: you know, and I was a young man who wanted
Speaker 3: to show I showed my respect from day one. Daviel
Speaker 3: Hanners just stayed a comment how long he's known me
Speaker 3: since I was a kid. I'm respectful. I love the business,
Speaker 3: but I just don't see what It's just not that
Speaker 3: big a deal. I mean, because it took off the
Speaker 3: way did. It was something different at a time that
Speaker 3: where something different was needed was already being done in
Speaker 3: Japan for years or uh that's where he got the idea,
Speaker 3: and you took a lot of guys that were built
Speaker 3: the company coming from t w A and then starting
Speaker 3: up with Todd that were still pretty good, and we're
Speaker 3: a lot of them were as good as the guys
Speaker 3: that Pull replaced him with. But it's like I said,
Speaker 3: the changing of the guard, and I wasn't part of that,
Speaker 3: but there was. To me, there was more to it.
Speaker 3: And instead of just telling me what it was you
Speaker 3: you tried to borry me. And I wouldn't let that
Speaker 3: hat put me in a hard hat. Do this? Do that?
Speaker 3: Put you know, you got me a one week, I'm
Speaker 3: a month on top of the next minute, you want
Speaker 3: me to put chat Uston over, no problem, I put
Speaker 3: him over. I don't care, you know, I just don't
Speaker 3: see the big deal. I see him guys on TV
Speaker 3: that's making obviously a lot of money, and never even
Speaker 3: made an attempt to let me look and see my
Speaker 3: list because you never kept one, because you didn't care,
Speaker 3: because you're working to worry about paying Peeople back. I
Speaker 3: just and I wasn't old I'm not own anything. But man,
Speaker 3: I hear it. It's not like it's not true. I
Speaker 3: know of somebody that I know for sure has quite
Speaker 3: a bit of money, and some of them are dead.
Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, to me, that doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 3: ring true as a as a as a good person.
Speaker 1: To me, I understand your opinion.
Speaker 2: I was trying to get out of you, the the
Speaker 2: discrepancies between the two of you, because you were a
Speaker 2: little vague in the beginning, but now you're opening up
Speaker 2: a little more and you're telling me he's putting you
Speaker 2: in these these gimmicks that you don't like. You have
Speaker 2: to put people over, but you're doing it because you're
Speaker 2: a team player. So in other words, your relationship with
Speaker 2: Paul was strictly like a boss and an employee, and
Speaker 2: you're basically doing everything he's telling you to do, and
Speaker 2: you felt like he was burying you in the process.
Speaker 3: Well, I felt like it was trying to but that
Speaker 3: that didn't happen because I took the stupid hard hat
Speaker 3: and work jacket and just wore it and came in
Speaker 3: and peachers wore one, and you know, nobody laughed, nobody
Speaker 3: liked it, but it just wasn't It made no sense.
Speaker 3: None of it made any sense. You took a guy
Speaker 3: that had came in with chaps and you know, let
Speaker 3: jacket and do rag. I was in shape I could
Speaker 3: do just about anything you wanted to. Cut my thumble,
Speaker 3: cut myself. I didn't care. And when Todd saw me,
Speaker 3: he even said it on the timeline thing. He said,
Speaker 3: I went down and brought Damien Stone with me, little Wido.
Speaker 3: He said, he looked like they were working for ten
Speaker 3: years together and tore the house down, and I hired
Speaker 3: him immediately. What happened to that? What happened to that? See,
Speaker 3: that's my point, Like I was there and then I wasn't,
Speaker 3: and it was a matter of everything changing. And I
Speaker 3: think with Eddie, and I can't say whether or not
Speaker 3: he would have destroyed it or it would have done
Speaker 3: good or And I'll tell you the truth. If things
Speaker 3: were different and things had gone differently and I could
Speaker 3: have been utilized to my abilities, it could have been
Speaker 3: a different story. And if Paul didn't fail and end
Speaker 3: up bankrupt and end up owning people money, maybe I'd
Speaker 3: have a different opinion of the things that I've seen
Speaker 3: over over the years. I just don't not not not
Speaker 3: a favorite person of mine. I get it, And obviously
Speaker 3: I wasn't a favorite person in his, So listen, that's
Speaker 3: all right, that's all right. I mean I see Todd.
Speaker 3: I saw Todd this week. I love Todd. I mean
Speaker 3: me too. Well, I just think it was a better
Speaker 3: company and I think it had a better feel to it,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of the ship that came
Speaker 3: along with it. I mean, look at I can't say it,
Speaker 3: just want I don't want to hurt anybody. You can't
Speaker 3: deny the condition of some of the people that we
Speaker 3: know in this business. We just saw them.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I think I know who you're with.
Speaker 3: It's a group that all comes from the same place
Speaker 3: and nothing has changed in thirty years. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't get it. And here's my thing, Christine, if you
Speaker 3: meet me today, ten years ago, twenty years ago, except
Speaker 3: for the fact I was a raven maniac, I'm the
Speaker 3: same person. I'm the same person. When you see these people,
Speaker 3: not only are they not the same person, like years apart,
Speaker 3: they're not the same person a month's apart. You can
Speaker 3: go to one of these things and somebody's all over you,
Speaker 3: and the next thing you know, they don't talk to you,
Speaker 3: and you're like, what, Well, it's their inconsistency because they're
Speaker 3: still screwing around. They're still high as a kite. These
Speaker 3: people aren't just smoking me. You know, I took a
Speaker 3: duck out during that thing with somebody who was a
Speaker 3: couple of togues and that's the end of it. There's
Speaker 3: no bills, no cold there's no none of this. Come on.
Speaker 3: It's years so and that's why do it a lot.
Speaker 3: And if you want to wrap this little thing up,
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, but anyway, far be it from me.
Speaker 3: I will not completely bury anybody. If I wanted to
Speaker 3: or not, I wouldn't do it. I totally respect what.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you had experience you had, I really am.
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that. So you were protected from a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that I protected myself from.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, Like I said, I I don't have really anything.
Speaker 2: Like the only thing I always said was the way
Speaker 2: it went down at the end, like we all sunk
Speaker 2: with this with the ship, I would say, like I.
Speaker 1: Sunk with the Titanic off it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But it was my choice, and it was my choice
Speaker 2: to stay because I you know, in my heart, I
Speaker 2: was just hoping that we can overcome whatever obstacles we had,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately we didn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, life goes on.
Speaker 2: But I you know, I wouldn't my whole thing, Tommy,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sitting here today if Paul didn't give
Speaker 2: me a chance.
Speaker 3: And I maybe not in this realm, but obviously somewhere else.
Speaker 3: You're very smart, intelligent, pretty girl. I'm sure you had
Speaker 3: done something.
Speaker 1: Else, something else, but not in wrestling.
Speaker 3: Well maybe yeah, maybe right right.
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's my thing. But everybody has their
Speaker 1: own experience.
Speaker 2: I respect your opinion, and honestly, I can totally see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because a lot of the things that you said I
Speaker 2: did see, but like your experience with Paul, I wasn't
Speaker 2: there for so you have your own story to tell
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Don't mark on it, you know, unless it comes up right.
Speaker 3: I asked about it. I listen. I'm not bitter, I'm
Speaker 3: not mad. My life is wonderful. I mean, I couldn't
Speaker 3: ask for a better life. And I was gonna wear
Speaker 3: a shirt today. I couldn't find it. I just washed.
Speaker 3: I don't know where it is alive, but ive on Spike,
Speaker 3: like that's what and you know what, it's the truth.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be goofy, all right, but
Speaker 3: this is the truth. And Todd asked me the other night,
Speaker 3: he goes, how you doing? How does it? I said, Todd,
Speaker 3: I'm the iron Man, no gimmick, the truth. Anybody knows
Speaker 3: me says the same thing. Yeah, you know, I've been
Speaker 3: through so much h And I'll give you a quick
Speaker 3: I want to try to give you a quick idea
Speaker 3: of what happened to me, but I'll start with giving
Speaker 3: you the quick historical when it comes to how I
Speaker 3: feel about myself, my background, I'm a rarity in this
Speaker 3: field because other than a few people, my background is huge.
Speaker 3: As far as I was a Junior Olympic national champion
Speaker 3: in weight with thing nobody knows what that is, get
Speaker 3: on a platform and with weights. With the three Junior
Speaker 3: Olympic national titles, I was a competitive bodygolder on almost
Speaker 3: to the national level because I couldn't take all of
Speaker 3: the stuff they wanted to take. The black belt. I've
Speaker 3: just posted a picture of me at fourteen as a
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu blue belt, a fourth degree black ball and
Speaker 3: karate and my blue belt in jiu jitsu at a
Speaker 3: young age, and then of course the wrestling business. So
Speaker 3: I have a big background and I've been good in
Speaker 3: everything I've done, and I'm not stupid, and I was
Speaker 3: around the business, exposed to it in the first live
Speaker 3: show to see Bruno at ten, and I knew everybody
Speaker 3: by the time I was seventeen. Wow, Gary Cappetta, Freddy Blassie,
Speaker 3: daveyel Hanna. I've noticed in some thirteen Gary Copetti. I
Speaker 3: know since I'm young, all these people. So by the
Speaker 3: time I broke in, they were like, hey, look at you.
Speaker 3: It used to be that skinny kid. Yeah. So I
Speaker 3: got I got a really good break get coming in.
Speaker 3: Ted Petty trained me and so yeah, Ted Petty and
Speaker 3: also uh Bobby Bold Eagle out of New York. And
Speaker 3: I was on the road with the van with Davy
Speaker 3: giggled Mass Russian, go up New England, take the truck
Speaker 3: in the ring and go. And that's what we did
Speaker 3: for I did that for two summers and I trained
Speaker 3: probably six months in one spot. And then after that
Speaker 3: we lost our building and all I did was set
Speaker 3: up the ring, work out, wrestle, tear it down and movement.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 3: So it was everything. Yeah, you know, well we we
Speaker 3: we put we owned, you know, Teddy owned the ring.
Speaker 3: They had a truck Evolvo and me and Davy g
Speaker 3: Davy giggled. We would go up around up to as
Speaker 3: far as Burlington, Vermont, and we would go up and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, set them ring up, go back to the hotel.
Speaker 3: We would always work out. That's how I got a
Speaker 3: lot of experience. Was and I used to do it
Speaker 3: with Chris Candido. God bless them. Yeah, and and and
Speaker 3: and and uh balls John Yeah, and uh they you know,
Speaker 3: was they were sixteen and I'm like, I said, what
Speaker 3: do you guys doing doing bull bugs off the top rope.
Speaker 3: I'm like, these guys are gonna hurt them.
Speaker 1: I'm just kids, right, Yeah, they were just kids.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then the sea like to go to the show
Speaker 3: this past week and see Noopie, Uh you know Morgan
Speaker 3: Les Morgan and Heidi. I used to wrestle in a
Speaker 3: chicken coop in that little low boy ring that last
Speaker 3: me and me and Scott in the bottom, Me and Scott.
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