WEBVTT - Extreme Beginnings: Behind the Curtain with Tommy Cairo (Part 1) 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.600 Hey there, this is the Queen of Extreme Fra eteen 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.479 and you. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.920 Are listening to Eyes up here with Francine on the 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.480 iHeart Rating Network or wherever you get the podcast. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.480 I'm usually joined I'm a co host chat, but today 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.440 I'm a different co host. I welcome to the show. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:51.199 Tommy Cairo No. I've had the pleasure of finally meeting. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.800 This past Saturday can Rant and it was so weird 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.360 because I obviously I've watched you on the n c 0:00:59.600 --> 0:00:59.920 W to. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.080 Apparently we were there. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.240 At the same time, but neither of us remember meeting. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:13.000 What what I got much later years later was that 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:18.040 we were in some kind of mixed tag I don't remember, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.720 and you were just learning I think, or just you 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.479 were actually training to wrestle, right. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.000 I was until Paul told me not to. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.800 Well, the first thing somebody should done was send you 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.760 right out of that building and on your way and 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:34.520 never come back. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.440 I say that all the time, but you know I changed. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.680 Career path when I met when I when I, uh 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.720 not when I met you, but when I read through 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:51.680 could see through your your character that you were too 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:52.480 nice for this. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 Thank you. You know you're bringing a bell for me. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:05.120 I think I partnered with Tommy Dreamer, Yes and maybe yeah, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.840 I think so at like one of the high school 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.840 gyms or something. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.040 Now I'm so glad that you don't remember it either, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.840 because then I would be like, wow, I'm shot. I 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.120 can't remember nothing. So you don't remember it either. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:23.760 You triggered my memory because now I am remembering that. Yeah, okay, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:24.600 so we did. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.840 Meet, Yeah, but I don't. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.320 I don't remember you being around much. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.960 Well, I figure, you gotta figure. I was this since 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:33.840 ninety two. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.760 Right, and I started in late ninety three. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.800 So ninety two ninety three, but ninety four I was 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.240 probably one of my busiest years there. This is weird 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.000 that whole year would stand man with Singapore came. I mean, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.840 Dreamer was nowhere in the picture at that point. We 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.640 did so a solid year of that. You had to 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:57.520 I imagine you were there. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.440 I was there. I was I I'm still training. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.840 Yeah you must have not been been with Dreamer yet then. No. No. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.360 When I started, I started as a plant. They put 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.520 me in the crowd as Stevie Richard's girlfriend, and that 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.720 was in ninety five. But before then they had me 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.760 like for a year and a half, I was doing 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.080 house shows, just filling in and you know. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.880 Doing little. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.080 I was gone on ninety five. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.480 Okay, all right, that's what I work. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.840 And I did you know I was a rebel like 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:43.840 I did. First of all, I have a background as 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.960 union electrician. I put cell phone towers on top of 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.880 Giant Stadium. So I did that kind of work for 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.360 many years. And I have a pension because of that. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:59.080 So I don't make any bones about it. I had 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.320 so many opportunities. I could have taken advantage of it, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.240 but I could not walk away from the money that 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.920 I was making. And I met my wife in eighty nine. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.320 I was only in the business three years at that point. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.840 And then you know, I went to Japan, I did ECW, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.680 and I but my career in my Just to give 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.120 you an idea, my wife went to see HER's sister 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.000 up in North Jersey and she went to some memorabilia place. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.080 It wasn't Tommy Fierro's place, somewhere else, and she brought 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.200 me back a E. CW sticker, and I was like, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.400 I kind of looked at her. She goes, what's the matter, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:37.160 I don't know, why'd you bring me that? She goes, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.360 I don't know. I just figured, I said, honey, if 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.839 for all these years, you know, he used to go 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.480 there with a stomach ache. When Poul got there, he 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.320 just didn't like me and didn't want to use me correctly. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.880 And I used to go there try not to get 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.280 buried and try to get whatever I could out of 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.839 it until I could find a way, you know, somewhere 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.040 else to go, which I did, and then I just 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:01.480 calmly walked away. But the funny thing is like everybody 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.560 that was there kind of hangs their hat primarily on 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.080 their time in ECW and I don't you know, and 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.720 I don't. I felt like it took me backward. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.960 I think because you had a bad You're from what 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.800 I'm getting just by those couple of sentences, you had 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.360 a really negative experience. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:26.039 Whereas I had a positive experience. And that's why I 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.760 praised the company so much. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.480 But I want to backtrack with you. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.520 You were good with Todd Gordon. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.039 Go with Todd, and I was great with Eddie. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.320 Okay, okay, So then Eddie leaves. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.120 Right, I was there that night. Well I can say 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.039 is this. I don't know, nobody's ever said it, but 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.240 Paul's very lucky that Doug didn't put him through a 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:57.160 wall because Doug Gilbert was pissed off beyond repair, just really, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.720 and I thought it was gonna erupt in to something, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.760 you know, ugly, but it did. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:07.120 And I don't know why though, Why why. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:15.000 Not? Because Paul fired Eddie, Paul took Getty's place. Now, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.480 I don't know the circumstances. I've heard a lot of 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.560 different things. Doesn't concern me. My thing is, I could 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.359 sum up my time there with the fact that I 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.640 never went in through that back door. I answered, where 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.280 do people go in? Every time? Because I had a wife, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.599 I married her. I met her in eighty nine, we 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.240 got engaged in in a year, and married in ninety one, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.839 so I've been with her forever. I've been guilty of 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.240 many things, but I have never ever been unfaithful to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.000 my wife. I don't go in places where there's women. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.640 I don't go to bars, I don't go to clubs. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.720 Good for you, you know I did all that. I 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.719 bounced for twelve years, eight years in Manhattan. So I mean, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.000 you know, there's no there's there's no good comes from them. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.240 And I'm a Christian. You know we don't do that, right, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.000 So My point is they knew how I was then, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.240 and that I had a wife, and I didn't bring 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.400 my wife one week and then have a rat with 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.280 me the next week, my wife one week and cozy 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.640 enough to one of the whatever. I didn't live my 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.440 life like that. I didn't want to see it. I 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.120 don't want to be a part of it. I don't 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.040 want to be privy to it. I don't want to 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.280 know nothing. There was many times I stayed in the 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.920 hotel across the street from where everybody was staying various places, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.560 because I don't I didn't need somebody knocking on my 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.560 door at three o'clock in the morning with a with 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.200 a crack pipe. You know. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.000 So did the boys look at you as being anti social? 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.400 No? No, because Hack and I got in trouble for 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.840 hanging out together in Philly when he was supposed to 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.520 be blind, and everybody, you know how serious they took 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.720 it back then and we got he from whoever got 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.160 back to the got back to Todd or Paulie that 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.920 you know we're because we hung out together, my wife 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.720 Laurie and him. We stayed at the house. You know, 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.760 they went shopping together. You know, we were tight and 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.520 you know. But here's the thing, all right, And I 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.120 don't want to dwell one hundred percent on you know, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.800 ECW because so many other things are going on in 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.720 my life that are so positive. But I'll say this, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.960 and I say this with confidence that there's not too 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.439 many people that were rebuke this or have a rebuttal 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.559 Paul would have liked to have getting gotten rid of 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.840 me a lot sooner, right. I wouldn't quit until I 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.680 felt I was ready to go, and he wouldn't fire me. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.640 And I'll tell you what. He was scared to death 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.880 of me, okay, And the people that knew me knew 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.880 that there was really wasn't anybody in that lack of 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.199 locker room that can challenge me. And that's for real. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.400 I don't care who's this and who's a gangster, and 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.559 let somebody tell me otherwise. And with one leg today, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.560 I'll whit their ass. And I hate to be like that, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.080 but when you got these phony tough guys walking around, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.000 you got and I look around today and I see 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:22.360 what everybody looks like. And I've been through hell, right, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.240 And I don't touch anything. I smoke my weed and 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.840 that's all I do. No pills, no, nothing. So you know, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.679 somebody came up to me. I'm not gonna mention any names. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.360 You were there. Somebody came up to me and asked 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.080 me for drugs. And that's the only reason the perstone 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.560 was there. And I said, because Carl, you always got drugs. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.600 I go, bro, that's fucking thirty years ago. Excuse my language, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.680 it's thirty years ago. What do you mean? So there 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.839 are some of those people are still living that same life. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.719 And I didn't do that, not snorting cocaine off for 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:01.000 hooker's asses. Sorry, yeah, fine, And you're fine. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.480 So you're not a problem from what I understand. You 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.000 get it work, okay, You go to work, You do 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:12.160 your job. You don't argue about the angle, whatever is 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.200 thrown at you. You're a team player, you do it. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.959 Why did you have such a problem with Paul? 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.040 I don't know. There's something that he didn't like about me, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.640 and it was evident, and I, like I said, and 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.640 you know, I stood up and mopened my mouth so 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.040 many times in that locker room. And I want to 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.959 tell you who is it that when you see Paul 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.319 standing up there on it, you know, stairway and at 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.920 one video and you see Terry Funk looking up at him. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.280 I'm like, even Terry Funk was mesmerized. I don't get it. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.680 I don't get it. What did Paul do that was 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:54.680 so great? He ripped off a lot of people. He 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.800 hurt good people into business, like Dennis Cortluzzo. Here's the 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.720 guy that goes into business for themselves, for himself because 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.360 he doesn't know what it's like to be in the rent. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.160 It's not a worker. Never got to dance every Saturday 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.560 night or or handle one out. And that's the way 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.160 I worked. I worked, you know, it's a it's a fight, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.959 and I was happy to do that. And I did 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.160 anything they asked within reason. But I was going when 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.000 I wanted to go. And the truth is I walked 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.760 up because I couldn't walk. My back was shot at 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.440 the time I needed. I couldn't even go to all 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.720 my work on my regular job. So I mean, I'm 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:38.080 just saying that, you know, Todd, I think should have 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.040 held on to some more guys. And when they say, oh, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.520 I didn't do anything until Paul got there, really look 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.320 at look at some of the matches. Look at some 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.400 of the Singapore Canyon matches. Match I had a dreamer 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.520 all over the building and tell me that they weren't drawing. 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.480 We're doing the same twelve thirteen hundred, whatever it was, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.360 and we were doing just as good with Eddie, and 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.120 then that happened, and then for me, for a lot 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.960 of other guys, it was good. You know, it's like 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.800 anything else when the change of the changing of the 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:13.600 guard comes, sweet clean new broom, sweeps clean, boom, and 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.320 it bring your guys in. And I have no problem 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.840 with that, but I just there was a lot of 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.120 shit going on with that I didn't like. They knew 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.560 I didn't like it, so maybe therefore they looked at 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.320 me like I was definitely not a prude. But it's 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.400 not bad. But I have a wife. I bring her 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.959 with me here. I'm not coming back next week without 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.040 her and doing anything I'm not supposed to do, right, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.400 I'm not gonna be. And there's a lot of shit 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.720 that went on that should never going on. You know, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.760 I look at it like this. I'm not I'm not 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:51.040 naming anybody any names, just in general. Yeah, anytime you 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.280 have a girl whos either underage and you have more 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.200 than one guy in a room, first of all, I 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.360 don't know what kind of lifestyle these people leave. But 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.480 I think you've got to be a half a fag 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.280 to want to be in a room with another guy 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.679 and a girl, let alone, three girls, three guys. I 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.079 don't know, whatever, whatever, maybe that's cool. Maybe they think 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.040 that's cool. That sounds like schoolboy stuff, you know what 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.120 I'm saying now, a lifestyle to live, you know, the 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.959 rest of your life. And I don't know that they 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.960 all do. But I see a lot of sorry looking people, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.120 and I just I'm just glad that I made the cut, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.040 I got my atget oh, And. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:37.120 I understand that, right, but that shouldn't interfere with what 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.480 goes on at work. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.040 That's to me, that's. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.040 Like leisure time, right. And I'm not saying it's correct. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.080 I'm not saying it's. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.040 A right way to live or with it, you know whatever. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.680 But what happens at. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:54.600 The arena should not affect you the way like if 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.240 you hung out afterwards, you know what I mean. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.400 Like they you know a lot of stuff so to speak, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.720 might have been swept under the rug or whatever because 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.120 it's the boys, and you know, like we've all seen stuff. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.480 I've seen things that I just shook my head and 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.240 wasn't a part of. But it's the boys, and that 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.680 was the excuse all these years, you know, the boys 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.000 would be the boys or whatever. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.520 Well, what happens when it's later in life and you're 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.640 a father now and you've got girls. Listen, we cannot 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:29.120 deny the fact that throughout history pro wrestling there are 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.160 broken women. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:37.080 Oh no, stop, I am not justifying what might not 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.040 have happened to any of those girls or what. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.400 You know, a lot of this stuff I wasn't privy 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.600 to because I wasn't the part. I wasn't on the 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:49.200 party side. I didn't do the drugs or you know, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.040 the the. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.800 You know, excessive alcoholism and stuff like that. Like that 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.240 wasn't my scene. And I think that's part of the 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.880 reason why I'm still sitting here today. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.280 No, I didn't, I mean, but but what my question to. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.640 You is, you know you didn't want to come around that, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.680 and I understand that, and that's very admirable of you. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.760 But when you get to the wrestling part, like you 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.720 had that that whole thing with with sand Man, I'm 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.520 eating peaches in the backyard, like I remember that promo. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.640 I laughed like hell at that promo. I thought it 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.200 was very clever stuff like that. Do you feel like 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.240 if Paul did not come in and Eddie still had 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.960 the book, do you feel like that company would have 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.320 taken off the way it did when Paul came into play, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.600 Because you seem like, like, I'm not knocking your opinion. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.360 Everybody's lay out an opinion, but I feel like you're 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:52.120 you're just not given Paul enough credit for taking it 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.960 to the next level. And even Todd said, because I 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.480 love Todd to death and what happened between those two, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.600 that's their thing, you know. But when when somebody asked, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.880 Todd's always like, well, Paul took it to the next level. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:14.800 Okay, well no, no, but that doesn't mean anything more 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.160 than he took it to the next level. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:21.640 I mean, why do you're you're saying to me, like, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.360 like that scene from Beyond the Mat when Paul is 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:29.000 standing on the uh the staircase in the back right 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.800 and we're all standing there and we're all looking at 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:36.280 him with love in her eyes. That was and you're 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:41.320 you're seeing you're making a face. I can explain why 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.280 I felt the way I did. It was because it 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.120 was our first pay per view and when I started there, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.680 like they were given away hot dogs and soda to 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.640 get people in the building and then to see us 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.080 get so far as to do a pay per view. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.760 It part of the cup, but in the end you 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.440 beat people out of money that never got paid back. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.000 I understand, but you're you're fast forwarding. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.639 Yeah, but it's all the person that I saw and 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.639 what I saw, what I experienced. Sorry, so is what 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.600 you're showing me on him? Never? 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.800 No, no, no, I'm not trying to I'm trying to 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:27.760 explain to you my feeling that EI and you're welcome. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.240 To your fure. We can't like everybody the same. I mean, sure, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:36.080 you know, and I was a young man who wanted 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.159 to show I showed my respect from day one. Daviel 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.359 Hanners just stayed a comment how long he's known me 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.119 since I was a kid. I'm respectful. I love the business, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.760 but I just don't see what It's just not that 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.159 big a deal. I mean, because it took off the 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.439 way did. It was something different at a time that 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.480 where something different was needed was already being done in 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:03.320 Japan for years or uh that's where he got the idea, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.560 and you took a lot of guys that were built 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.760 the company coming from t w A and then starting 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.400 up with Todd that were still pretty good, and we're 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.040 a lot of them were as good as the guys 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.000 that Pull replaced him with. But it's like I said, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.159 the changing of the guard, and I wasn't part of that, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.280 but there was. To me, there was more to it. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.760 And instead of just telling me what it was you 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.919 you tried to borry me. And I wouldn't let that 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.600 hat put me in a hard hat. Do this? Do that? 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.720 Put you know, you got me a one week, I'm 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.240 a month on top of the next minute, you want 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.119 me to put chat Uston over, no problem, I put 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:46.120 him over. I don't care, you know, I just don't 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.320 see the big deal. I see him guys on TV 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.880 that's making obviously a lot of money, and never even 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.439 made an attempt to let me look and see my 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.800 list because you never kept one, because you didn't care, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.760 because you're working to worry about paying Peeople back. I 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.360 just and I wasn't old I'm not own anything. But man, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.040 I hear it. It's not like it's not true. I 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.720 know of somebody that I know for sure has quite 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.440 a bit of money, and some of them are dead. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.439 So you know, yeah, to me, that doesn't that doesn't 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.840 ring true as a as a as a good person. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.200 To me, I understand your opinion. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.840 I was trying to get out of you, the the 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.720 discrepancies between the two of you, because you were a 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.439 little vague in the beginning, but now you're opening up 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.879 a little more and you're telling me he's putting you 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.399 in these these gimmicks that you don't like. You have 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.520 to put people over, but you're doing it because you're 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.520 a team player. So in other words, your relationship with 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:45.840 Paul was strictly like a boss and an employee, and 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:51.119 you're basically doing everything he's telling you to do, and 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.680 you felt like he was burying you in the process. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.040 Well, I felt like it was trying to but that 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.560 that didn't happen because I took the stupid hard hat 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.840 and work jacket and just wore it and came in 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.040 and peachers wore one, and you know, nobody laughed, nobody 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.720 liked it, but it just wasn't It made no sense. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.359 None of it made any sense. You took a guy 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.240 that had came in with chaps and you know, let 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.359 jacket and do rag. I was in shape I could 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.000 do just about anything you wanted to. Cut my thumble, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.399 cut myself. I didn't care. And when Todd saw me, 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.240 he even said it on the timeline thing. He said, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.760 I went down and brought Damien Stone with me, little Wido. 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.200 He said, he looked like they were working for ten 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.720 years together and tore the house down, and I hired 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.360 him immediately. What happened to that? What happened to that? See, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:46.840 that's my point, Like I was there and then I wasn't, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.560 and it was a matter of everything changing. And I 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.760 think with Eddie, and I can't say whether or not 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.840 he would have destroyed it or it would have done 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.119 good or And I'll tell you the truth. If things 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.440 were different and things had gone differently and I could 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.679 have been utilized to my abilities, it could have been 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:13.159 a different story. And if Paul didn't fail and end 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.720 up bankrupt and end up owning people money, maybe I'd 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.440 have a different opinion of the things that I've seen 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:26.119 over over the years. I just don't not not not 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.960 a favorite person of mine. I get it, And obviously 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.280 I wasn't a favorite person in his, So listen, that's 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.040 all right, that's all right. I mean I see Todd. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.320 I saw Todd this week. I love Todd. I mean 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.960 me too. Well, I just think it was a better 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.160 company and I think it had a better feel to it, 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.680 and I think a lot of the ship that came 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.159 along with it. I mean, look at I can't say it, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.679 just want I don't want to hurt anybody. You can't 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.560 deny the condition of some of the people that we 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.640 know in this business. We just saw them. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.240 Yes, I know, I think I know who you're with. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.560 It's a group that all comes from the same place 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.879 and nothing has changed in thirty years. I mean, I 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.399 don't get it. And here's my thing, Christine, if you 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:21.600 meet me today, ten years ago, twenty years ago, except 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.080 for the fact I was a raven maniac, I'm the 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.040 same person. I'm the same person. When you see these people, 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.600 not only are they not the same person, like years apart, 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.919 they're not the same person a month's apart. You can 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.720 go to one of these things and somebody's all over you, 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.280 and the next thing you know, they don't talk to you, 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.400 and you're like, what, Well, it's their inconsistency because they're 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.040 still screwing around. They're still high as a kite. These 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.320 people aren't just smoking me. You know, I took a 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.199 duck out during that thing with somebody who was a 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.400 couple of togues and that's the end of it. There's 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.520