1 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Hey there, this is the Queen of Extreme Fra eteen 2 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and you. 3 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Are listening to Eyes up here with Francine on the 4 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: iHeart Rating Network or wherever you get the podcast. 5 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm usually joined I'm a co host chat, but today 6 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm a different co host. I welcome to the show. 7 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Tommy Cairo No. I've had the pleasure of finally meeting. 8 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: This past Saturday can Rant and it was so weird 9 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: because I obviously I've watched you on the n c 10 00:00:59,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: W to. 11 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: Apparently we were there. 12 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: At the same time, but neither of us remember meeting. 13 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: What what I got much later years later was that 14 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: we were in some kind of mixed tag I don't remember, 15 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: and you were just learning I think, or just you 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 3: were actually training to wrestle, right. 17 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I was until Paul told me not to. 18 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing somebody should done was send you 19 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: right out of that building and on your way and 20 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: never come back. 21 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I say that all the time, but you know I changed. 22 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: Career path when I met when I when I, uh 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: not when I met you, but when I read through 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: could see through your your character that you were too 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: nice for this. 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. You know you're bringing a bell for me. 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: I think I partnered with Tommy Dreamer, Yes and maybe yeah, 28 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: I think so at like one of the high school 29 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: gyms or something. 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: Now I'm so glad that you don't remember it either, 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: because then I would be like, wow, I'm shot. I 32 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: can't remember nothing. So you don't remember it either. 33 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: You triggered my memory because now I am remembering that. Yeah, okay, 34 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: so we did. 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: Meet, Yeah, but I don't. 36 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember you being around much. 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: Well, I figure, you gotta figure. I was this since 38 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: ninety two. 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Right, and I started in late ninety three. 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: So ninety two ninety three, but ninety four I was 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: probably one of my busiest years there. This is weird 42 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: that whole year would stand man with Singapore came. I mean, 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: Dreamer was nowhere in the picture at that point. We 44 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: did so a solid year of that. You had to 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: I imagine you were there. 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: I was there. I was I I'm still training. 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah you must have not been been with Dreamer yet then. No. No. 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: When I started, I started as a plant. They put 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: me in the crowd as Stevie Richard's girlfriend, and that 50 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: was in ninety five. But before then they had me 51 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: like for a year and a half, I was doing 52 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: house shows, just filling in and you know. 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Doing little. 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: I was gone on ninety five. 55 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's what I work. 56 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: And I did you know I was a rebel like 57 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: I did. First of all, I have a background as 58 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: union electrician. I put cell phone towers on top of 59 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: Giant Stadium. So I did that kind of work for 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: many years. And I have a pension because of that. 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: So I don't make any bones about it. I had 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: so many opportunities. I could have taken advantage of it, 63 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: but I could not walk away from the money that 64 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: I was making. And I met my wife in eighty nine. 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: I was only in the business three years at that point. 66 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: And then you know, I went to Japan, I did ECW, 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: and I but my career in my Just to give 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: you an idea, my wife went to see HER's sister 69 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: up in North Jersey and she went to some memorabilia place. 70 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: It wasn't Tommy Fierro's place, somewhere else, and she brought 71 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: me back a E. CW sticker, and I was like, 72 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: I kind of looked at her. She goes, what's the matter, 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, why'd you bring me that? She goes, 74 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. I just figured, I said, honey, if 75 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: for all these years, you know, he used to go 76 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 3: there with a stomach ache. When Poul got there, he 77 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: just didn't like me and didn't want to use me correctly. 78 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: And I used to go there try not to get 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: buried and try to get whatever I could out of 80 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: it until I could find a way, you know, somewhere 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: else to go, which I did, and then I just 82 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: calmly walked away. But the funny thing is like everybody 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: that was there kind of hangs their hat primarily on 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: their time in ECW and I don't you know, and 85 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: I don't. I felt like it took me backward. 86 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: I think because you had a bad You're from what 87 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: I'm getting just by those couple of sentences, you had 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: a really negative experience. 89 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: Whereas I had a positive experience. And that's why I 90 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: praised the company so much. 91 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: But I want to backtrack with you. 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: You were good with Todd Gordon. 93 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: Go with Todd, and I was great with Eddie. 94 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So then Eddie leaves. 95 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: Right, I was there that night. Well I can say 96 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: is this. I don't know, nobody's ever said it, but 97 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: Paul's very lucky that Doug didn't put him through a 98 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: wall because Doug Gilbert was pissed off beyond repair, just really, 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: and I thought it was gonna erupt in to something, 100 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: you know, ugly, but it did. 101 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know why though, Why why. 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: Not? Because Paul fired Eddie, Paul took Getty's place. Now, 103 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: I don't know the circumstances. I've heard a lot of 104 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: different things. Doesn't concern me. My thing is, I could 105 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: sum up my time there with the fact that I 106 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: never went in through that back door. I answered, where 107 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: do people go in? Every time? Because I had a wife, 108 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 3: I married her. I met her in eighty nine, we 109 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: got engaged in in a year, and married in ninety one, 110 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: so I've been with her forever. I've been guilty of 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: many things, but I have never ever been unfaithful to 112 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: my wife. I don't go in places where there's women. 113 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't go to bars, I don't go to clubs. 114 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: Good for you, you know I did all that. I 115 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: bounced for twelve years, eight years in Manhattan. So I mean, 116 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, there's no there's there's no good comes from them. 117 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: And I'm a Christian. You know we don't do that, right, 118 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: So My point is they knew how I was then, 119 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: and that I had a wife, and I didn't bring 120 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: my wife one week and then have a rat with 121 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: me the next week, my wife one week and cozy 122 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: enough to one of the whatever. I didn't live my 123 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: life like that. I didn't want to see it. I 124 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: don't want to be a part of it. I don't 125 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: want to be privy to it. I don't want to 126 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: know nothing. There was many times I stayed in the 127 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: hotel across the street from where everybody was staying various places, 128 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: because I don't I didn't need somebody knocking on my 129 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: door at three o'clock in the morning with a with 130 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: a crack pipe. You know. 131 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: So did the boys look at you as being anti social? 132 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: No? No, because Hack and I got in trouble for 133 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: hanging out together in Philly when he was supposed to 134 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: be blind, and everybody, you know how serious they took 135 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: it back then and we got he from whoever got 136 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: back to the got back to Todd or Paulie that 137 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: you know we're because we hung out together, my wife 138 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: Laurie and him. We stayed at the house. You know, 139 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: they went shopping together. You know, we were tight and 140 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: you know. But here's the thing, all right, And I 141 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: don't want to dwell one hundred percent on you know, 142 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: ECW because so many other things are going on in 143 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: my life that are so positive. But I'll say this, 144 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: and I say this with confidence that there's not too 145 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 3: many people that were rebuke this or have a rebuttal 146 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: Paul would have liked to have getting gotten rid of 147 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: me a lot sooner, right. I wouldn't quit until I 148 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: felt I was ready to go, and he wouldn't fire me. 149 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. He was scared to death 150 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: of me, okay, And the people that knew me knew 151 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: that there was really wasn't anybody in that lack of 152 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 3: locker room that can challenge me. And that's for real. 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: I don't care who's this and who's a gangster, and 154 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: let somebody tell me otherwise. And with one leg today, 155 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: I'll whit their ass. And I hate to be like that, 156 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: but when you got these phony tough guys walking around, 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: you got and I look around today and I see 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: what everybody looks like. And I've been through hell, right, 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: And I don't touch anything. I smoke my weed and 160 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: that's all I do. No pills, no, nothing. So you know, 161 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: somebody came up to me. I'm not gonna mention any names. 162 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: You were there. Somebody came up to me and asked 163 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: me for drugs. And that's the only reason the perstone 164 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: was there. And I said, because Carl, you always got drugs. 165 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: I go, bro, that's fucking thirty years ago. Excuse my language, 166 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: it's thirty years ago. What do you mean? So there 167 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: are some of those people are still living that same life. 168 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 3: And I didn't do that, not snorting cocaine off for 169 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: hooker's asses. Sorry, yeah, fine, And you're fine. 170 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: So you're not a problem from what I understand. You 171 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: get it work, okay, You go to work, You do 172 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: your job. You don't argue about the angle, whatever is 173 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: thrown at you. You're a team player, you do it. 174 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: Why did you have such a problem with Paul? 175 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. There's something that he didn't like about me, 176 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: and it was evident, and I, like I said, and 177 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: you know, I stood up and mopened my mouth so 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: many times in that locker room. And I want to 179 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: tell you who is it that when you see Paul 180 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: standing up there on it, you know, stairway and at 181 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: one video and you see Terry Funk looking up at him. 182 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, even Terry Funk was mesmerized. I don't get it. 183 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: I don't get it. What did Paul do that was 184 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: so great? He ripped off a lot of people. He 185 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: hurt good people into business, like Dennis Cortluzzo. Here's the 186 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: guy that goes into business for themselves, for himself because 187 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: he doesn't know what it's like to be in the rent. 188 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: It's not a worker. Never got to dance every Saturday 189 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: night or or handle one out. And that's the way 190 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: I worked. I worked, you know, it's a it's a fight, 191 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: and I was happy to do that. And I did 192 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: anything they asked within reason. But I was going when 193 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: I wanted to go. And the truth is I walked 194 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: up because I couldn't walk. My back was shot at 195 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: the time I needed. I couldn't even go to all 196 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: my work on my regular job. So I mean, I'm 197 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 3: just saying that, you know, Todd, I think should have 198 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: held on to some more guys. And when they say, oh, 199 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything until Paul got there, really look 200 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: at look at some of the matches. Look at some 201 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: of the Singapore Canyon matches. Match I had a dreamer 202 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: all over the building and tell me that they weren't drawing. 203 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: We're doing the same twelve thirteen hundred, whatever it was, 204 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: and we were doing just as good with Eddie, and 205 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: then that happened, and then for me, for a lot 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: of other guys, it was good. You know, it's like 207 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: anything else when the change of the changing of the 208 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: guard comes, sweet clean new broom, sweeps clean, boom, and 209 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: it bring your guys in. And I have no problem 210 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: with that, but I just there was a lot of 211 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: shit going on with that I didn't like. They knew 212 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: I didn't like it, so maybe therefore they looked at 213 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: me like I was definitely not a prude. But it's 214 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: not bad. But I have a wife. I bring her 215 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 3: with me here. I'm not coming back next week without 216 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: her and doing anything I'm not supposed to do, right, 217 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be. And there's a lot of shit 218 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: that went on that should never going on. You know, 219 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: I look at it like this. I'm not I'm not 220 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: naming anybody any names, just in general. Yeah, anytime you 221 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: have a girl whos either underage and you have more 222 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: than one guy in a room, first of all, I 223 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: don't know what kind of lifestyle these people leave. But 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: I think you've got to be a half a fag 225 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: to want to be in a room with another guy 226 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 3: and a girl, let alone, three girls, three guys. I 227 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 3: don't know, whatever, whatever, maybe that's cool. Maybe they think 228 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: that's cool. That sounds like schoolboy stuff, you know what 229 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: I'm saying now, a lifestyle to live, you know, the 230 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 3: rest of your life. And I don't know that they 231 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: all do. But I see a lot of sorry looking people, 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: and I just I'm just glad that I made the cut, 233 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: I got my atget oh, And. 234 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: I understand that, right, but that shouldn't interfere with what 235 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: goes on at work. 236 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: That's to me, that's. 237 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: Like leisure time, right. And I'm not saying it's correct. 238 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's. 239 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: A right way to live or with it, you know whatever. 240 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: But what happens at. 241 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: The arena should not affect you the way like if 242 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: you hung out afterwards, you know what I mean. 243 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: Like they you know a lot of stuff so to speak, 244 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: might have been swept under the rug or whatever because 245 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: it's the boys, and you know, like we've all seen stuff. 246 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: I've seen things that I just shook my head and 247 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: wasn't a part of. But it's the boys, and that 248 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: was the excuse all these years, you know, the boys 249 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: would be the boys or whatever. 250 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: Well, what happens when it's later in life and you're 251 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: a father now and you've got girls. Listen, we cannot 252 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: deny the fact that throughout history pro wrestling there are 253 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: broken women. 254 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, stop, I am not justifying what might not 255 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: have happened to any of those girls or what. 256 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of this stuff I wasn't privy 257 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: to because I wasn't the part. I wasn't on the 258 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: party side. I didn't do the drugs or you know, 259 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the the. 260 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: You know, excessive alcoholism and stuff like that. Like that 261 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: wasn't my scene. And I think that's part of the 262 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: reason why I'm still sitting here today. 263 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: No, I didn't, I mean, but but what my question to. 264 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: You is, you know you didn't want to come around that, 265 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: and I understand that, and that's very admirable of you. 266 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: But when you get to the wrestling part, like you 267 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: had that that whole thing with with sand Man, I'm 268 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: eating peaches in the backyard, like I remember that promo. 269 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: I laughed like hell at that promo. I thought it 270 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: was very clever stuff like that. Do you feel like 271 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: if Paul did not come in and Eddie still had 272 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: the book, do you feel like that company would have 273 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: taken off the way it did when Paul came into play, 274 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: Because you seem like, like, I'm not knocking your opinion. 275 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: Everybody's lay out an opinion, but I feel like you're 276 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: you're just not given Paul enough credit for taking it 277 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: to the next level. And even Todd said, because I 278 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: love Todd to death and what happened between those two, 279 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: that's their thing, you know. But when when somebody asked, 280 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: Todd's always like, well, Paul took it to the next level. 281 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: Okay, well no, no, but that doesn't mean anything more 282 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: than he took it to the next level. 283 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: I mean, why do you're you're saying to me, like, 284 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: like that scene from Beyond the Mat when Paul is 285 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: standing on the uh the staircase in the back right 286 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: and we're all standing there and we're all looking at 287 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: him with love in her eyes. That was and you're 288 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: you're seeing you're making a face. I can explain why 289 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: I felt the way I did. It was because it 290 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: was our first pay per view and when I started there, 291 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: like they were given away hot dogs and soda to 292 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: get people in the building and then to see us 293 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: get so far as to do a pay per view. 294 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: It part of the cup, but in the end you 295 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: beat people out of money that never got paid back. 296 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: I understand, but you're you're fast forwarding. 297 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all the person that I saw and 298 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 3: what I saw, what I experienced. Sorry, so is what 299 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: you're showing me on him? Never? 300 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not trying to I'm trying to 301 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: explain to you my feeling that EI and you're welcome. 302 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: To your fure. We can't like everybody the same. I mean, sure, 303 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: you know, and I was a young man who wanted 304 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: to show I showed my respect from day one. Daviel 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: Hanners just stayed a comment how long he's known me 306 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: since I was a kid. I'm respectful. I love the business, 307 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: but I just don't see what It's just not that 308 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 3: big a deal. I mean, because it took off the 309 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: way did. It was something different at a time that 310 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: where something different was needed was already being done in 311 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: Japan for years or uh that's where he got the idea, 312 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: and you took a lot of guys that were built 313 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: the company coming from t w A and then starting 314 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: up with Todd that were still pretty good, and we're 315 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: a lot of them were as good as the guys 316 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: that Pull replaced him with. But it's like I said, 317 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: the changing of the guard, and I wasn't part of that, 318 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: but there was. To me, there was more to it. 319 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: And instead of just telling me what it was you 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 3: you tried to borry me. And I wouldn't let that 321 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: hat put me in a hard hat. Do this? Do that? 322 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: Put you know, you got me a one week, I'm 323 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: a month on top of the next minute, you want 324 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: me to put chat Uston over, no problem, I put 325 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 3: him over. I don't care, you know, I just don't 326 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: see the big deal. I see him guys on TV 327 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: that's making obviously a lot of money, and never even 328 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: made an attempt to let me look and see my 329 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: list because you never kept one, because you didn't care, 330 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: because you're working to worry about paying Peeople back. I 331 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: just and I wasn't old I'm not own anything. But man, 332 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: I hear it. It's not like it's not true. I 333 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: know of somebody that I know for sure has quite 334 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: a bit of money, and some of them are dead. 335 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, to me, that doesn't that doesn't 336 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: ring true as a as a as a good person. 337 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: To me, I understand your opinion. 338 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: I was trying to get out of you, the the 339 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: discrepancies between the two of you, because you were a 340 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: little vague in the beginning, but now you're opening up 341 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: a little more and you're telling me he's putting you 342 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: in these these gimmicks that you don't like. You have 343 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: to put people over, but you're doing it because you're 344 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: a team player. So in other words, your relationship with 345 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: Paul was strictly like a boss and an employee, and 346 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: you're basically doing everything he's telling you to do, and 347 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: you felt like he was burying you in the process. 348 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: Well, I felt like it was trying to but that 349 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: that didn't happen because I took the stupid hard hat 350 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: and work jacket and just wore it and came in 351 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: and peachers wore one, and you know, nobody laughed, nobody 352 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: liked it, but it just wasn't It made no sense. 353 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: None of it made any sense. You took a guy 354 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: that had came in with chaps and you know, let 355 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: jacket and do rag. I was in shape I could 356 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: do just about anything you wanted to. Cut my thumble, 357 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: cut myself. I didn't care. And when Todd saw me, 358 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: he even said it on the timeline thing. He said, 359 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: I went down and brought Damien Stone with me, little Wido. 360 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: He said, he looked like they were working for ten 361 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: years together and tore the house down, and I hired 362 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: him immediately. What happened to that? What happened to that? See, 363 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: that's my point, Like I was there and then I wasn't, 364 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: and it was a matter of everything changing. And I 365 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: think with Eddie, and I can't say whether or not 366 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: he would have destroyed it or it would have done 367 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: good or And I'll tell you the truth. If things 368 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: were different and things had gone differently and I could 369 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: have been utilized to my abilities, it could have been 370 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 3: a different story. And if Paul didn't fail and end 371 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: up bankrupt and end up owning people money, maybe I'd 372 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: have a different opinion of the things that I've seen 373 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: over over the years. I just don't not not not 374 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: a favorite person of mine. I get it, And obviously 375 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't a favorite person in his, So listen, that's 376 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: all right, that's all right. I mean I see Todd. 377 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: I saw Todd this week. I love Todd. I mean 378 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: me too. Well, I just think it was a better 379 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: company and I think it had a better feel to it, 380 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: and I think a lot of the ship that came 381 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: along with it. I mean, look at I can't say it, 382 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 3: just want I don't want to hurt anybody. You can't 383 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: deny the condition of some of the people that we 384 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 3: know in this business. We just saw them. 385 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I think I know who you're with. 386 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: It's a group that all comes from the same place 387 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: and nothing has changed in thirty years. I mean, I 388 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: don't get it. And here's my thing, Christine, if you 389 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: meet me today, ten years ago, twenty years ago, except 390 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: for the fact I was a raven maniac, I'm the 391 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: same person. I'm the same person. When you see these people, 392 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: not only are they not the same person, like years apart, 393 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 3: they're not the same person a month's apart. You can 394 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: go to one of these things and somebody's all over you, 395 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: and the next thing you know, they don't talk to you, 396 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: and you're like, what, Well, it's their inconsistency because they're 397 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: still screwing around. They're still high as a kite. These 398 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: people aren't just smoking me. You know, I took a 399 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 3: duck out during that thing with somebody who was a 400 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: couple of togues and that's the end of it. There's 401 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: no bills, no cold there's no none of this. Come on. 402 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: It's years so and that's why do it a lot. 403 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: And if you want to wrap this little thing up, 404 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about something. 405 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, but anyway, far be it from me. 406 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: I will not completely bury anybody. If I wanted to 407 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: or not, I wouldn't do it. I totally respect what. 408 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm glad you had experience you had, I really am. 409 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that. So you were protected from a 410 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: lot of stuff that I protected myself from. 411 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: Right Yeah, Like I said, I I don't have really anything. 412 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: Like the only thing I always said was the way 413 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: it went down at the end, like we all sunk 414 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 2: with this with the ship, I would say, like I. 415 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: Sunk with the Titanic off it, you know what I mean. 416 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 2: But it was my choice, and it was my choice 417 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: to stay because I you know, in my heart, I 418 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: was just hoping that we can overcome whatever obstacles we had, 419 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: and unfortunately we didn't. 420 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: And you know, life goes on. 421 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: But I you know, I wouldn't my whole thing, Tommy, 422 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sitting here today if Paul didn't give 423 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: me a chance. 424 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: And I maybe not in this realm, but obviously somewhere else. 425 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: You're very smart, intelligent, pretty girl. I'm sure you had 426 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: done something. 427 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: Else, something else, but not in wrestling. 428 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: Well maybe yeah, maybe right right. 429 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's that's my thing. But everybody has their 430 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: own experience. 431 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: I respect your opinion, and honestly, I can totally see it. Yeah, 432 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: because a lot of the things that you said I 433 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: did see, but like your experience with Paul, I wasn't 434 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: there for so you have your own story to tell 435 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: and I. 436 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: Don't mark on it, you know, unless it comes up right. 437 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: I asked about it. I listen. I'm not bitter, I'm 438 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: not mad. My life is wonderful. I mean, I couldn't 439 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: ask for a better life. And I was gonna wear 440 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 3: a shirt today. I couldn't find it. I just washed. 441 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: I don't know where it is alive, but ive on Spike, 442 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: like that's what and you know what, it's the truth. 443 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: And I don't want to be goofy, all right, but 444 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: this is the truth. And Todd asked me the other night, 445 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: he goes, how you doing? How does it? I said, Todd, 446 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: I'm the iron Man, no gimmick, the truth. Anybody knows 447 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: me says the same thing. Yeah, you know, I've been 448 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: through so much h And I'll give you a quick 449 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: I want to try to give you a quick idea 450 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: of what happened to me, but I'll start with giving 451 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: you the quick historical when it comes to how I 452 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: feel about myself, my background, I'm a rarity in this 453 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 3: field because other than a few people, my background is huge. 454 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: As far as I was a Junior Olympic national champion 455 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: in weight with thing nobody knows what that is, get 456 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: on a platform and with weights. With the three Junior 457 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: Olympic national titles, I was a competitive bodygolder on almost 458 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: to the national level because I couldn't take all of 459 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: the stuff they wanted to take. The black belt. I've 460 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: just posted a picture of me at fourteen as a 461 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: jiu jitsu blue belt, a fourth degree black ball and 462 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: karate and my blue belt in jiu jitsu at a 463 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: young age, and then of course the wrestling business. So 464 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: I have a big background and I've been good in 465 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: everything I've done, and I'm not stupid, and I was 466 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: around the business, exposed to it in the first live 467 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: show to see Bruno at ten, and I knew everybody 468 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 3: by the time I was seventeen. Wow, Gary Cappetta, Freddy Blassie, 469 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: daveyel Hanna. I've noticed in some thirteen Gary Copetti. I 470 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: know since I'm young, all these people. So by the 471 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: time I broke in, they were like, hey, look at you. 472 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: It used to be that skinny kid. Yeah. So I 473 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: got I got a really good break get coming in. 474 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: Ted Petty trained me and so yeah, Ted Petty and 475 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: also uh Bobby Bold Eagle out of New York. And 476 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: I was on the road with the van with Davy 477 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: giggled Mass Russian, go up New England, take the truck 478 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: in the ring and go. And that's what we did 479 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 3: for I did that for two summers and I trained 480 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: probably six months in one spot. And then after that 481 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: we lost our building and all I did was set 482 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: up the ring, work out, wrestle, tear it down and movement. 483 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: Go. 484 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 3: So it was everything. Yeah, you know, well we we 485 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: we put we owned, you know, Teddy owned the ring. 486 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: They had a truck Evolvo and me and Davy g 487 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: Davy giggled. We would go up around up to as 488 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: far as Burlington, Vermont, and we would go up and uh, 489 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, set them ring up, go back to the hotel. 490 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 3: We would always work out. That's how I got a 491 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: lot of experience. Was and I used to do it 492 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: with Chris Candido. God bless them. Yeah, and and and 493 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: and and uh balls John Yeah, and uh they you know, 494 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: was they were sixteen and I'm like, I said, what 495 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: do you guys doing doing bull bugs off the top rope. 496 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, these guys are gonna hurt them. 497 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm just kids, right, Yeah, they were just kids. 498 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: You know. 499 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 500 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: And then the sea like to go to the show 501 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: this past week and see Noopie, Uh you know Morgan 502 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: Les Morgan and Heidi. I used to wrestle in a 503 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 3: chicken coop in that little low boy ring that last 504 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 3: me and me and Scott in the bottom, Me and Scott. 505 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: Leaving everyone who You are enjoying the interview so far, 506 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: please tune in on Thursday for part two. 507 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh an Extreme Extreme Awesome. 508 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: The Queen Extreme Podcast odds up here here here The 509 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 4: Queen Extreme Podcast. 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