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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Don't Meet e podcast. You can't predict that anything. All right,

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Speaker 1: We're here with Ryan Callan and Janie Poodles, otherwise known

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Speaker 1: as the honest who tell us and the beautiful and

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Speaker 1: deadly Rourke Denver who uh whose lips have never been

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Speaker 1: graced by the taste of alcohol. Correct. I wouldn't mind

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Speaker 1: getting into that for a minute now, Rourke, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna give you a brief intro that we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: a better intro in a minute. Officer in the Navy

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Speaker 1: transitioned into uh, author writer of books in public speaking,

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Speaker 1: and Rourke is gonna explain. I'm gonna ask Work a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about why why most people are total pansies,

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Speaker 1: and Work will explain the psychology. He's gonna explain, among

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Speaker 1: other things, the psychology of panziness. Uh. First, I want

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Speaker 1: there's two things I want to deal with real quick. One. UM,

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Speaker 1: we get tons of emails in all time from people

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Speaker 1: who are like are like, man, you guys are talking

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Speaker 1: about eating all this wild game and wild meat. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't hunt I'd like to check it out, and

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Speaker 1: they're always kind of asking about buying, you know, buying

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Speaker 1: wild game from stores now real quick, when you buy

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Speaker 1: a wild game in stores, not wild game. What it

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Speaker 1: is is when you you can't like buy law you

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Speaker 1: can't sell American wild game in stores. And this was

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Speaker 1: we made it that you can't market wild game. Um

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Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds pretty much wiped game animals off the

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Speaker 1: But to hold over from that time is a is

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Speaker 1: a ban on the sale of game meat. When you

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Speaker 1: buy game meat, you're buying like a wild animal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're buying like deer, elk, whatever, but it's just raised

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Speaker 1: like livestock. You take it elk put in defense, raise

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Speaker 1: privately owned farm animal, UM brought up and sold his meat.

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Speaker 1: It's just not even like it's not even the same thing, man,

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like elk that you buying a store, Dear,

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Speaker 1: you buying a store has the relationship would be like

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Speaker 1: like store bought wild game is is just an approximation.

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Speaker 1: So I never recommend it because the problem is raising

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Speaker 1: some other issues. And so when people do come, I've

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Speaker 1: Like if you're going to go buy meat, okay, and

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Speaker 1: It's a very good company where you go in and

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Speaker 1: gets his special box. You make so far, dude, I

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Speaker 1: to kind of cut my teeth and keep playing rough.

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00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, lacrosse has a combative sport. I like playing

429
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: rob mount drink, but I like like scrapping, so uh,

430
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it just was, you know, I

431
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: thought I thought being in the military would be a

432
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: great place, being an officer, because I like, I like

433
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: being in charge. I mean, I don't think there's ever

434
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: a team. I didn't end up being the captain of

435
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: and I think people gravitate towards leader leadership positions. So

436
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: um I walked into a Navy recruiting office in Syracuse,

437
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: New York, and said, well, I knew I wanted to

438
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: be an officer in the military. I read a bunch

439
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: of things on special Forces and Marines and all these different,

440
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, kind of elite teams because I felt like

441
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: that's where I wanted to be. And I found something

442
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: that I just probably the same thing on sports. You know,

443
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: I could have gone and played at a different school

444
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: of Syracuse and probably been a starter as a freshman

445
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: and played all four years and been a high impact

446
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: player right from the get go. Going to Syracuse from California,

447
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna cracked the starting lineup for

448
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: a while. But I like being in that end of

449
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: the pool. It just doesn't appeal to me. Yeah. So

450
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: I remember, I wish I knew the name of the

451
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: book that I was reading, But I found a book

452
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: that was like a compilation of short stories of all

453
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: Special Forces, Green Berets, Air Force, so guys in Vietnam.

454
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: And there's one chapter. I need to try and find

455
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: this book because I'd love to read it now because

456
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that became, you know,

457
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: the fuel or the spark that kind of got me

458
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: going on seals. But I had seen all right, I

459
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: read in this book, how you know of the guys

460
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: that show up seal training don't make it, and you

461
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: know you're this commando that came from the water and

462
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: you could sneak up on people, attack ships and land time.

463
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: It was just like, come on, this is exactly where

464
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: I need to be. So that that that's what so

465
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: I knew I want to be an officer. That's what

466
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: led towards seal teams. And then I I walked into

467
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: recruiter's office in Syracuse, New York, so I want to

468
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: be an officer and I want to be a I

469
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: want to be a seal. And after the laughter died

470
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: down simply because they've never had anyone recruited out of

471
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: there and actually make it or go, we drew up

472
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: the paperwork and and um, they weren't wrong. It took

473
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: me to two years and two applications to get accepted

474
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: because it's just so competitive as an officer to get

475
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: a spot. Like when you say that, I went in

476
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: and I said I want to be an officer. Like

477
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's two tracks in the military. You're you're

478
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: either gonna enlist, you know, in the Navy or the

479
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: Marines or that the Army um which are you know,

480
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: the bulk of the military are enlisted folks that do

481
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: the you know, the kind of day to day job

482
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: of of a grunt or an aviation technician or hell

483
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: technician whatever that might be. All the different jobs you

484
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: can find the military. And then the officers come from

485
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: three tracks. Basically, you have the academies. You know, you

486
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: went to West Point or Annapolis, and therefore you're an

487
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: officer when you when you graduate r OTC Reserve Officer

488
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: Training Corps, which is through a regular college but doing

489
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: some military service to build towards a commission, being commissioned

490
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: as an officer or my pool was what's called o

491
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: CS or officer can at school, so four year degree

492
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: which you have to have UM and then once you

493
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: finish your bachelor's degree, you can apply direct. It was

494
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: perfect for me because I got a normal college life,

495
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I got to be with my buddies,

496
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: play sports. There's no military connection to my time. Um,

497
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, in college and then you applied OCS. If

498
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: you get accepted, you go to When I went through

499
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: was in Pensacola, it's now in in Newport, Rhode Island.

500
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: Thirteen weeks of you know how to stand tall, polish

501
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: your shoes, and learned naval history and leadership, and then

502
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: you're an officer just as much as the person that

503
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: you know grounded out in four years the academy just

504
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: as much. There's no penalty, no difference, no difference. But

505
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: then he still had to go and do all the

506
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: elimination ship for for yeah, yeah, no, that's just again

507
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: that's the beginning to answer you honest questions. Not like

508
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: a boot camp. Part boot camp for officers is either

509
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: the academy. And you know the thing that was fun

510
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: about o CS is you've got the kind of if

511
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: you ever saw that movie an officer and a gentleman

512
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: with you know, those Marine Corps Drinal instructors with the

513
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, the smokey bear helmet, you know, screaming at

514
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: you and lighten you up. That's there. That's fun. I mean,

515
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. You know, there's some I don't want

516
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be his auditions to say there's

517
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: some parallels in our story because like the inspiration, like

518
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: the book that provided the inspiration, Like I didn't have

519
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: any of that ship. But when I was in high school,

520
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: when I was a junior in high school, I started

521
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: I had in my head that I wanted to go

522
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: into the Green Bray's Okay, So I started meeting with

523
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: an army recruiter and they started calling the home and

524
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I went and took the test. So I took the test,

525
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: and they started recruiting very aggressively, where they would even

526
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: come to my home. Okay. Um. And my old man

527
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: who served, okay, he was in the army, fought in

528
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: World War Two. He kind of like caught wind of

529
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: this a little bit and he was like, why in

530
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: the world would join you don't join the militator's no war?

531
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Because he signed up like

532
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, Japs bound Pearl Harbor as he tells it,

533
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: and you go down. Everyone joins the army, and then

534
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: you fight the war, and the war ends and everyone

535
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: quits the army. And that's like that's sort of his

536
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: view of military service. And he told these guys, He's like,

537
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: don't call, don't come over. You know, and that was

538
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: this thing like he'd be wasting your time, there's no

539
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: one to fight. Yeah, now that was kind of your

540
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: situation though, but it wi not becoming very different. It

541
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: became very different. Yeah, So we walked in during peacetime service.

542
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: I did, and I would recommend it to anybody. Well,

543
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: I don't know when we're gonna see that again. Um,

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I think we may be a country semi permanently at

545
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: war like the Romans. Yeah, we might. We might be

546
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: like that until long after year and my kids grow

547
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: grow old. I think that's very very reasonable to think

548
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: that could be the case. So I feel blessed that

549
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I was actually in pre nine eleven military, no no

550
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: real combat engagement in that atmosphere. I did. I did,

551
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: which is fascinating because I finished my active duty career

552
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: running the training for Seals, both basic and advanced out

553
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: in California. And it was interesting because when I went

554
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: through training, the Vietnam era guys that were long in

555
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: the tooth and kind of leaving. Couple of guys left

556
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: usually at the teams, but all the lessons had come

557
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: out of the Vietnam guys. That's where that's where the

558
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Seals kind of made their name in the Mekon Delta

559
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: and coming out of those riverine areas of Vietnam and

560
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: scaring the hell out of the Vietcong. And and really

561
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: it was it was there coming out party, are coming

562
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: out party for how lethal and capable and creative those

563
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: operators could be. But by the time I went through training,

564
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, not none of the guys that were running

565
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the day day training, like you know, kicking your ascid

566
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: seal training were combat vets. There just wasn't a bad

567
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: guy to go fight. But they'd give the speech, you know,

568
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: like don't screw this up, or you're gonna get your

569
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: whole platoon killed, or you're gonna you're gonna die, and

570
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: you just but it wasn't it wasn't coming from so

571
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: you're taking at face value and you sort weren't gonna

572
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: give m a hard time and call their call their

573
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: card on it. But then when I ran training, you know,

574
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: when one of my instructors told a young lion, hey,

575
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: don't do that, because and they could see that guy

576
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: had like a silver star and like two purple hearts

577
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: and knew what the hell he was talking about. It

578
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: was pretty potent as very very cool. So but that's

579
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: I want to get to that because I want to

580
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: get to your experiences as a trainer and in focus

581
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: on that, because that's that's the thing that I and

582
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you do the not very huge leap

583
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: of talking about that and how it kind of applies

584
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: to what a lot of people that that that listen

585
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: to this do recreationally as like hunters and fishermen and

586
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: things about perseverance and focus and um being real tough.

587
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: But I want to build more groundwork here before before

588
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: we get to that. Uh So, we got you up.

589
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: You go through your officer part ye, but there's still

590
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: a big hurdle left. There is the hurdle. The hurdle

591
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: like breakdown the hurdle. So the hurdle is called Bud's

592
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Basic Underwater Demolition Seal Training and that's the you know,

593
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: mythic course course of instruction that takes place on Coronado Island,

594
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: San Diego. You know, you if you visit San Diego,

595
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna walk onto that island and be like, what

596
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: do you mean they're training like hardcore commandos here. I

597
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: mean it's just beautiful weather and and and you know

598
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: this idealic southern California town, which you don't realize unless

599
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: you hop in the water, is that the Pacific Current

600
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: runs through there, and so it's about fifty degree water

601
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: most mostly year in Sandy Ago, which is what I

602
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: always tell people when it comes at eight percent of

603
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: the people that quit training about those do so because

604
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: of the cold water. I mean, if they move seal

605
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: training to Hawaii or Florida, you get a lot more graduates,

606
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: for sure. But we put these young lions and I

607
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: was put into that water. Um. I mean, I just

608
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: don't remember not being wet for six months. You're just

609
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: wet and miserable and sandy all the time. And cold,

610
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: and I mean cold to the point. I mean people

611
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: listen to this show are gonna know cold because they

612
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: sit in cold places and rugged climates. But I think

613
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: short of hunters and you know, outdoorsman, I think very

614
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: few people would appreciate the type of cold we experience,

615
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and hunters and fishermen will also know. There is a

616
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: tectonic difference between dry cold and wet cold, and wet

617
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: cold falls into the worst category, no doubt about it. Right, Like,

618
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: when you're wet and cold, you're going to find out

619
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: how tough you are. You said any wants, Um, it's

620
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: probably annoying to keep to have someone keep reminding the

621
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: things you told them. But you said to me once

622
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: about the cold You're like, like, we used the cold

623
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: water to achieve your kind of paraphrase. And you're like,

624
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: we used cold water to get to something. There's other

625
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: ways to get there, and you're like, the Rangers use starvation. Okay,

626
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about that, Like what what you're you know,

627
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: what they're getting at and the tools that you use

628
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: to get there. Yeah. I mean, I think military organizations

629
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: have figured out this real elemental building block, the first

630
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: of which is we get rid of the individual. So

631
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: everybody has their head shaved. You put on the same

632
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: T shirt, pants and boots, so we all look the same.

633
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, all four of us look different sitting at

634
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: this table, but start shaving everybody's head, put a T

635
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: shirt and boots and pants on. We kind of look

636
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: the same at a distance. But it's it's like a

637
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: socio economic leveler. Yeah, and that's thehing. Oh, I'll say

638
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: right now, whenever I talk to somebody about the military,

639
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: the gift of the military that I think our country

640
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: benefit from, which is why in my you know, my

641
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: most recent book, I talk about the idea of universal

642
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: service in the country. And I don't just mean military.

643
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a great way, but some type

644
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: of required mandatory service for young people would be a

645
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: gift to this country because I don't think people leave

646
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: their silos. Right. You grow up in this part of

647
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: the world, and and a lot of our country is

648
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: real homogeneous in the different spots you come from. But

649
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: in the military, you show up day one of training.

650
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: You got a kid from the South side of Chicago,

651
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and you got a kid that went to private school

652
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, and then a kid that was breaking you know,

653
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: horses in Texas. And then you're all together working it

654
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: out and figuring out how to how to perform and

655
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: achieve and and really in the end take care of

656
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: one another on the battlefield. But um, but all the

657
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: all the services figured that out. So you break people

658
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: down to kind of the most you know, basic building

659
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: block you can you know, you don't have this personal

660
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: identity or they sure don't. We don't care about it

661
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: when you show up. We don't care about any gift

662
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: you're bringing to the seal teams as a new person.

663
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: We'll get that out of you eventually. But that's not

664
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: what we're looking for, and that's not what any military

665
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: un it's looking forward's looking for subjugation. And I don't

666
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: say that as a negative. I say that as a

667
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: positive of getting rid of that individual desire and what

668
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: you need to be happy and good and be thinking

669
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: about the team and the collective and the greater good.

670
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: And so all the units use a different system to

671
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: figure out how to break somebody down to kind of

672
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: the bone marrow. And you know, I went to I

673
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: went to seal training. I was sent to Army Ranger

674
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: School when I showed up my first seal team. So

675
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm already at a seal team. I made it through

676
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: seal training and that whole crucible. My commanding officer was

677
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: was a member what's called Jaysack Joint Special Operations, and

678
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: so he wanted all his junior officers to kind of

679
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: speak army. He's like, I want you to go get

680
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a little Army indoctrination, because at that point in our history,

681
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: the Army really ruled the roost. They ran all the

682
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: all the you know, all of special operations. It was

683
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: all Army generals basically that ran special operations at that

684
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: point because the steals seals were still just very new

685
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: um to that organization. So UM would explained buds before

686
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you talk about because that's the thing. I think it's

687
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: fasting and you had to go through all that buds bullshit. Yeah,

688
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: and then turn around and go through the arms version

689
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: of the same damn thing, almost as like a side trip.

690
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: It was. It was I have a quick question about

691
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: the buds. When you're breaking people down with the cold water, Um,

692
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: can you fail because of your like, uh, physical limitations

693
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: or if you always let's just say, because obviously guys

694
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: must just pass out and their body just quits themselves

695
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: without them mentally quitting, right, They're just going, They're going going,

696
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: and then they fall over. If you if you wake up,

697
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: let me feel that in a way that it's gonna

698
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: prompt you to say. Another thing is you spoke to

699
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: me about that too, as you said, we lost good

700
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: guys that would have been great. Accidentally, Yeah, it's it's

701
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: it's it's rare. But the biggest fear of somebody that

702
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: would otherwise make it is getting injured or having their

703
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: body kind of betray them, So guys got stress fractures

704
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: or some over use injury, or they couldn't kind of thermoregulate.

705
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Like there's like we'd have elite level swimmers. That's a

706
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: good example. So we'd have elite level swimmers that you

707
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: would think obviously would make good seals right where aquatic

708
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: maritime operators. If you're a you know, sub Olympic swimmer,

709
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: you're the perfect guy. The problem is, I think a

710
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of those guys athletically have been training in like

711
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: an ambient aquatic temperature of whatever pool is sixty sixty

712
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: degrees right, And so we get them on land, they'd

713
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: start running. Their body just didn't know how to regulate

714
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: itself when it started getting hot. So we'd have actually

715
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: more this This is I want to make sure I'm

716
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: not statistically wrong, but I think we have as many,

717
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: if not more heat related injuries at seal training as

718
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 1: we do hypothermic related injuries at seal training. So every

719
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: once while, somebody's body would betray them and they couldn't

720
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: get through. And the worst thing was you would see

721
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: this is a story I probably told you, is you'd

722
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: see some kid that look like Michelangelo, chiseled him out

723
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: of steel. He's got every attribute you could want to

724
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: be a top performer, and he was just weak, just

725
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: a weak mental person. He'd hit that cold water and quit.

726
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: And you have this little kid that he has got

727
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: baby fat on him. Taught himself to swim two weeks

728
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: before came from like you know, the flyover States. You're like,

729
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: I wish I could rip the heart out of that

730
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: guy slamming into that guy and we'd have something, you know,

731
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: because unfortunately that guy was just soft. Now there, I mean,

732
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: there's no exceptions, right, It's like everybody crosses this line.

733
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: Everybody has to cross the same line, and if you don't,

734
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: for any reason, you're out. That's accurate. What what I'll

735
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: say is we just don't drop that many people at

736
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: steal training. Very few guys go out because we say

737
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: you're not the right guy or you failed in performance

738
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: levels to to leave. I mean, we'll lose guys for that.

739
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: There's guys that can't handle the stress of the underwater tests.

740
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: And if they make it all the way training where

741
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: they're shooting and we're working with demolition, and they're just

742
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: not They're just a rock. They're not bright enough to

743
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: get it. We're like, I don't think you need to

744
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: be dealing with explosive ordinance or shooting next to the

745
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: rest of us. You're out of here. Very few of

746
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: that happens. Almost everybody leaves that training program with their

747
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: own volition. They just got ring a bell. Yeah. Yeah.

748
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: So there's a l on the grinder, which is kind

749
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: of where we do our pt you know, push ups,

750
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: calistenics and all that stuff, right in the middle of

751
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: the training compound. A bunch of famous signs around there.

752
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, it's kind of mecca for

753
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: for seal training. That's like the heartbeat right there. And

754
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: that bell. Bells in the Navy are a long standing

755
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: tradition from the Brits and and the British Royal Navy

756
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: where you'd be using bells to pass information on on

757
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: back to wooden ship days, where you know, three bells

758
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: means this, two bells means that, and so we adopted

759
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: that as big Navy. I mean, if you go on

760
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: a Navy ship today, I mean a nuclear aircraft carrier launching,

761
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, the most state of the art equipment on

762
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: the face of the Earth or submarine you're gonna hear

763
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: bells that that will pass information on time and what's

764
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: taking place. It's a long stand tradition. So at seal

765
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: training there's a bell sitting there that's omnipresent. Um. And

766
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: if you quit and you go up to instructor and

767
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: like I've had enough, I'm out of here, you gotta

768
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: go out and ring that bell three times. You take

769
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: your helmet off, which is kind of like your I

770
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: D Card to Seal train. You put it down. This

771
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: long graveyard of helmets, lines, lines, the grinder of people.

772
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: Bit of how many guys go in to the class.

773
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it's uh, if it's limited.

774
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Right now, when I was running training, we actually limited

775
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: to a hundred fifties starting a class might start with

776
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: more of that. Around a hundred eight hundred ninety guys

777
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: started my comedy helmets laying there at the bell. We

778
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: graduated two out of Yeah. That bells ringing, nonstops. It's

779
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the soundtrack of seal training. That bell ringing. And before oh,

780
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: let me tell you this, because I almost forgot this

781
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: right before Hell Week, which is our most you know,

782
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: kind of famous week of training where you basically you

783
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: start training on a Sunday night. It ends on Friday afternoon,

784
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: and you get about three hours sleep in that entire

785
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: period of time with a nap on I think your

786
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: first nap comes on Wednesday for like an hour and

787
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: a half. You get a nap on Thursday for an

788
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: hour and a half, and then you hopefully see the

789
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: finish line but leave the week before Hell Week, the

790
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: senior classes that have made it through will be playing

791
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: a C. D C Hell's bells like on a loop.

792
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: You'll just hear the bell you know, from that a

793
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: C d C saw like just cranking all the time.

794
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a twisted place. But you know the

795
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: people that the people that are made to get through

796
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: that place, they really know they're in the rights. Are

797
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: the instructors the same instructors the whole way through? Like

798
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, are they maintaining the same paste during that

799
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: hill week? Are they up the whole three it's three

800
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: shifts of instructors. So they take a you know a shift,

801
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: uh from you know, day shift, half the night shift,

802
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: half the night shift in the morning, and you split up. No,

803
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: we keep our instructors. I mean, you're still smoked. As

804
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: an instructor doing one third of a day for the week.

805
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: But those guys can be out with their wife eating

806
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: dinner at night. Yeah, and you're like, it's stuck in

807
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: this weird like hell that you don't even know what

808
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: is super strange. You mamagine clocking in for that saying

809
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: by the like the biggest like emotional psychological battle they'll

810
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: ever being. There's a good story. You're telling your first book.

811
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Damn few what's the subtitle, making of them? Making Making

812
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: the Modern Civil Warrior? Yeah, you have a lengthy like

813
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: anyone who's curious to hear about, just like what goes

814
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: on in the buds class? The is it fair to

815
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: say like the seal elimination class? Yeah? Yeah, how do

816
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: you guys describe like if you had to do buds

817
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: in a second, Like, what is it? Like? What do

818
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: you mean? Like, how do you like if someone says,

819
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: what's buds? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's basically three

820
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: phases of training. First phase. First phase is selection training,

821
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: which includes hell week. By by the end of first phase,

822
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: most of the people that have quit have quit, I

823
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: mean most of guys. That's seven weeks. Oh, so that

824
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty people that quit quit during a seven

825
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: week period, I would say they probably have the stat

826
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: but call it sixty quit right. And there then you

827
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: go on to second phase, which is dive phase, where

828
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: you learn to do all the underwater stuff dry, you know,

829
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: dive a rebreather, closed loop oxygen system, so we can

830
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: step up, sneak up on ships and blow them, blow

831
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: them up, or sneak ashore without somebody knowing it. Uh.

832
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: We lose probably the rest of the guys in that

833
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: phase because we do tests underwater where you know, if

834
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: cal was the student, I was the instructor, he'd have

835
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: a two hose regulator, a twin set of eighty um

836
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, scuba tanks on his back and these these

837
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: hoses that come in our rubbery and I basically shove

838
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: him onto the bottom of the pool deck, pull that

839
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: out of his mouth and start tying knots in that

840
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: behind his back and then shove them. Then you got

841
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: to figure it out, and some people freak out and

842
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: can't can't handle the stress of the underwater stuff that

843
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: they would put you at night with no light underwater

844
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: to swim out in the ocean, but with shipping containers

845
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: laying on the bottom that are open on one end

846
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: that's in the that's the East coast. So that that's

847
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of an insider story. And I don't want to

848
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: give it away because somebody's no, somebody's gonna run into it.

849
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: But there there is a shipping container. I'm not gonna

850
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: say where, but in a in a harbor in in

851
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Virginia beach, Virginia. And one of my buddies on a

852
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: dive is just following a nav course and I'm sure

853
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: the instructor is like intended hoping somebody would go in

854
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: and basically gets inside the shipping container. Now is his

855
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: compass is like spinning around underwater? And you know he's

856
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: just swam into a box with one small opening the

857
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: under water in the dark, and and it took quite

858
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: a while to figure out what he was doing to

859
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: get out of there. God, it's funny, good times. The

860
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: thing you tell I think you tell damn few that

861
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: I like, is is it? You guys are laying in

862
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: the water right, everybody's freezing her half but you can

863
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: like And they incentivize ringing the bell with coffee and donuts. Yea.

864
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: So the so the bell which sits on the grinder

865
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: every day of the year other than when Hell weeks

866
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: going on. They can detach the bell and we have

867
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: built this like welded a rig arm, a boom arm

868
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: on the back of the trucks. Of the bell travels

869
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: with the class because they don't want to be too

870
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: far away should you decide to leave, so you can

871
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: just kind of see it the whole time. And then yeah,

872
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: I've seen instructors with, you know, a twenty four pack

873
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: of crispy cream, doughnuts and pizzas and coffee and just

874
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: like all I gotta do is come on up, you know,

875
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: and they get it too, like if you quit at

876
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: that point, you're eating donuts and you're on you're on

877
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: your way. And when when a hell week always like

878
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: this is your book too, when hell weekends, right, so

879
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you've lost all these you know, there's a horrible attrition.

880
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: There's twenties and left and what they I think you're saying.

881
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: You get a medium pepperoni pizza and the pot of

882
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: gatorade and then you slept for thirty six hours. The

883
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: class that's gonna go in next, they like prep. First

884
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: of all, you're in a white T shirt with your

885
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: name on it leading up to Hell Week, and if

886
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: you finish Hell Week, you transition from a white T

887
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: shirt to a brown military T shirt. And you would

888
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: have thought somebody gave you like the Cup of Christ.

889
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: When you get that brown T shirt, I mean, it

890
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: is like the best thing you've ever experienced. But yeah,

891
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: they buy you a pizza, pizza in like a sixty

892
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: four ounce gatorade. I remember Wolf and that whole pizza

893
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: down during that gatorade. And then that you have your

894
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: your barracks is actually set up um for you to

895
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: go in there and go to sleep, and and you

896
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: have a twenty four hour medical watch. The doctors and

897
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: other students are walking around your Your body is so

898
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: toxic from me. I mean you think about when you sleep,

899
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: that's your body's you know, system and time to kind

900
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: of redistribute everything and take a break, right, And you

901
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: don't do that for an entire week. So all this,

902
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, lactic acid and name the the alchemy of

903
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: of junk that's in your system from surviving being that

904
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: cold and miserable and wet and going that hard physically

905
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: when you lay down and if you're laying down your

906
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: bed and your arm fell off the bed. I mean

907
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: it could just go septic to the point where you'd

908
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: be in real danger of damaging that arm. So I

909
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: mean you're you're being observed the whole time, and they

910
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: give you some pointers on how to sleep. Yeah, they

911
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: you set up the beds so you know, your legs

912
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: are up high so you can kind of get that

913
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: stuff draining out of your legs. And hell, and I'm

914
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: telling you, when you wake up from that first block

915
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: of sleep, you think you're gonna feel good, and it's

916
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: it's almost worse. I mean, it's just like you've crushed

917
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: yourself so bad that you wake up and uh, you know,

918
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: you keep a gatorade bottle next to your bed so

919
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: you don't even have to walk to the bathroom should

920
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you have to, should you have to pee, right, I mean,

921
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's misery. But but within days you're you're

922
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: back up and running. But it's it's eat to see

923
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: the guys at the end of that walk and they

924
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: they look like they just finished the batamda march. I mean,

925
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: it's it's something to see because all that chafe and

926
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: you think of the sand and grit and all this

927
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: stuff that's getting in your pants and like the chafing

928
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: just on your belt line. I'm built like a linebacker,

929
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: so my legs rubbed together. I mean it was like

930
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: put a put like a meat grinder in between your

931
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: legs and walk around with that. You should have material

932
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: about it, because we just got back from Mexico and

933
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: try running around for a week and a swim diaper

934
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: with a bunch of sand packed into exact same thing

935
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: dude was looking rough about. Really exact same thing that

936
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: happens at that training that should make people wear swim

937
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: diapers and see how they like that. I'm still blowing

938
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: with it, just I can't figure out how I would

939
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: handle like checking in and out of my job and

940
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: seeing all these kids like they have to look like

941
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they're in a far away planet mentally, and how you

942
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: like you check out, you have dinner, like Steve was

943
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: saying with the fam and then being like, probably the

944
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: same way that you know a brain surgeon is doing

945
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: something that intense and doing that and then goes and

946
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: lead using gets a you know, gets a Starbucks. I mean,

947
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: I think all the guys that are instructors are seals.

948
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: They all went through that training, then they went onto

949
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: the combat assault teams then have come back to run

950
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: the train. So everybody's hugely invested in the moment. So

951
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I I it's interesting. I've never really thought

952
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: about it. Mean, it wasn't like I had a hard

953
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: time separating from the two are coming back and and

954
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: during hell week, you just know the job is to

955
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: is to make it that rough. So the right guys

956
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: are at the finish line. Yeah, so walk through. There's

957
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: a couple of moments in your career. I want you

958
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: to touch on, uh, walk through real quick when you

959
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: get out, when you when you finish all your training,

960
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: what your impression of life was going to be like? Yeah,

961
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: like when you enter like the Special Operations world. Yeah.

962
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: So I mean this is pre nine elevens. This is

963
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: like when I finished Seal training, I show up at

964
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: Seal Team four on the East Coast. Um, you know,

965
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: you're a brand new guy. Back then, you didn't have

966
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: your trident. The trident is that gold eagle that seals

967
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: wear on their uniform. Um, guys that go through training

968
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: now go all the way through for almost a year,

969
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: they earn their tried and which means they're a seal,

970
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: and then they go to their first Seal team when

971
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: I showed up, you you finished buds and then you

972
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: went to your Seal team. You're on probation for six

973
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: eight months for them to kind of evaluate you, put

974
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: you through a bunch of advanced training and tests to

975
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: find out if you're worthy of the tried. So I

976
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: mean you're you're let me talk about fraternity hazing. It's

977
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: like the worst thing ever showing up a Seal team.

978
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: No tried, And so that that's the way I showed

979
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: up in my first team. Um, but I remember thinking

980
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: to myself, you know, I was gonna show up at

981
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: Seal Team four. There'd be a laser retina scan, you know,

982
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: the CEO would pull up or the match you pull

983
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: up in like a James Bond card, and then I'd

984
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: get inside and I'd see all the guns we didn't

985
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: know existed, and guys will be launched that night to

986
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: attack targets you know, uh, you know, domestic and abroad,

987
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: and and it's, uh, it's it's much less sexy than

988
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: that when you first show up. You know, you show

989
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: up and it's it's actually kind of an old Navy

990
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: building with cool history and it Now I'd give anything

991
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: to go back to that team. But um, but it's

992
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: much more utilitarian and then kind of um, you know,

993
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: learning to learn the skills of a warrior. I mean

994
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you learn this kind of cursory cursory level of it

995
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: at at Seal Training. It's gotten much better now. The

996
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: guys that are leaving Seal Training they're they're they're kind

997
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: of ready to go. It's pretty unbelievable. But then you

998
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: still do a tremendous amount of advanced training that team

999
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: to become a capable operator on the battlefield. It's just

1000
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: less it's less high speed than you think. I think

1001
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: it gets better all the time because you know, funding

1002
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: has built new new new training grounds and new um,

1003
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, new locations. But it's pretty spartan when I

1004
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: when I showed up, and less less high speed than

1005
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: I thought. That being said, the operators are just um

1006
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: are just otherworldly. The guys you get through there, the

1007
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: guys you show up with at the team, UM, it's

1008
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: just kind of that peer group that I feel like

1009
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: I was meant to go be a part of and

1010
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: and and be connected to. It was the friendships are

1011
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: just sublime that you make in that in that organization.

1012
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: Then then you throw throw in you know, now approaching

1013
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: twenty years of sustained combat, and it goes to a

1014
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: pretty intense that's interesting thing I thought about, man is

1015
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I got invited down to

1016
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: Fort Brant to give a talk in front of a

1017
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 1: bunch of the guys with the third Special Forces Group.

1018
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: And so it's a class of Green Bray's generally a

1019
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: little bit younger than me. Some of the officers are

1020
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: about my age, and like, I actually kind of had

1021
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: like a a when I left there. I fell into

1022
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: kind of like a minor depression for a few days

1023
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: because something kind of like struck me in a in

1024
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: a really profound way that made me feel just like

1025
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: like fortunate and selfish I am, or that we're allowed

1026
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: to be because here I am like sort of my contemporaries, right.

1027
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: And I got out of high school, okay, and I

1028
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: went and had like this very you know, self focused

1029
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: college career and then went out to go to graduate

1030
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: school and and like get an m f A. And

1031
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: I memori was in the middle of graduate school and

1032
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: waking up one day and like hole ship eleven and

1033
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: just being like catatonic about that. But it was sort

1034
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: of you know, just this thing we all experienced collectively

1035
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: and then went on to have this like really selfish

1036
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: life for you know, have like this beautiful wedding and

1037
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: and have this kind of like romance with my wife.

1038
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: We get married, have children, I spend you know, I

1039
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: travel for work, which my work is like kind of

1040
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: a luxury and it's very nice, and spend all this

1041
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: time with my kids. Right, and I go and meet

1042
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: these guys who have during that whole when all of

1043
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that super good ship, all that super good selfish it

1044
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: was happening to me. All they had done for the

1045
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: previous thirteen at the time, the previous thirteen or fourteen

1046
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: years is all they had done is go back and

1047
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: forth between Afghanistan and Iraq. That's all they had known.

1048
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: And these are guys that went in just prior to

1049
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: mostly a lot of guys that went into just prior

1050
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: to and just after, and that had been like all

1051
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: they've done. I mean, they tried to squeeze in marriages

1052
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: and ship. Right. And he one day, as an antegot,

1053
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: he says, he know what, let's he opens up the

1054
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: Yellow Pages that shows me the divorceitory section in Fort Bright.

1055
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: All that fucking book is his divorce. It's otherworldly how

1056
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: much stress it puts on families and and and the families,

1057
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: the ones that pay the price, you know, as as

1058
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: a as a warrior. And I don't know if I've

1059
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: talked about this with you or not, but I make

1060
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: a distinction a little bit between a soldier and a warrior.

1061
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't mean this disrespect. No, Please,

1062
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, you should tell it. I think

1063
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: there's people that that go into military, and I respect

1064
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: every single person that serves in the military since sincerely. Um,

1065
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of people, if not most of the

1066
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: people in military are not going to be in a

1067
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: combat unit that's going through I mean, there's just a

1068
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: lot of jobs in the military. You can be a cook,

1069
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: you can be an engineer, you can be there's all

1070
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: these different jobs. There's only so many. It's not it's

1071
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: not most won't be in combat. Most actually have been

1072
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: into the combat theater. There's only so many units that

1073
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: are gonna be The guys are like, we are going

1074
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: to chase the worst dragons we can find, Like we

1075
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: want to go slay the top of the top and

1076
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: just go hunt bad guys. That's Seals, Rangers, Green Berets, Marine,

1077
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: aggressive combat units. I mean, it's it's the infantry units

1078
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: that are going to do that. And there's there's folks

1079
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: that fall into this category. In my mind, I know

1080
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: for a fact, it's it's just what my spirit is

1081
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: made up of, and that is a warrior, somebody that

1082
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: wants to go turn those stones over on the battlefield

1083
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: and see what it's like to um, you know, lay

1084
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: it all out there and compete at the highest level,

1085
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: like the tradition of like Hector and Achilles, and so

1086
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: those are the guys that gravitate towards our units. Like

1087
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: our guys. None of our guys are like not wanting

1088
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: to go fight. I see young guys going through Seals

1089
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: training right now, and they'll come up to me like

1090
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: my generation that they know have just been nothing but

1091
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: banging heads with bad guys, are like, God, I hope

1092
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: we didn't miss it. Do we miss it? I'm like,

1093
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: you didn't miss it. There's plenty of fighting left. But

1094
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: they want it, you know, our guys want that, which

1095
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: is a big distinction between those between those two talk

1096
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: about the interesting mix of emotions you had eleven if if,

1097
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: if you, if you're comfortable talking about that, Yeah, it

1098
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: was Uh No, I talked about a lot when I

1099
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: talked to kind of corporate America. I talk a little

1100
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: bit about it in the sense that, um, yeah, because

1101
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: because just explain that one of the several things to

1102
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: do besides working on your books, is you talk about leadership. Yes,

1103
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: you do lectures on leadership to a variety of audiences,

1104
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: including corporate audience. Yeah, a lot of a lot of

1105
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: a lot of businesses, coaching executives and kind of working

1106
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: with with both mid range to very very senior executive

1107
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: level leaders on on leadership and and the principles of

1108
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: that and how my my experience in in combat leadership

1109
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: translates very much to leadership. In my mind, is leadership.

1110
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in charge of a boy Scout

1111
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: troop or a seal team, the basic elements of it

1112
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: remain the same. The consequence can be very very different.

1113
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: But I think leadership in itself is very much, um

1114
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: the same, if you're gonna do it well. But but

1115
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: when nine eleven happened, my team was deployed, so we're

1116
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: actually overseas. My team was in charge of central and

1117
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: South America at the time, the Seals at that point

1118
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: in their history had a regional responsibility, and my team

1119
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: was a Central and South America team. So anything goes

1120
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: wrong in Central and South America, a platoon or assault

1121
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: team from Seal Team four is the one that's gonna

1122
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: respond to that. And so I remember I was on

1123
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: a run, uh, just getting my morning workout in. I

1124
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: come walking into this location where all my guys were

1125
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: hold up and and um, I arrived on that scene

1126
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: right as that second plane was crashing into town. That's

1127
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: when I showed up kind of in that moment. And

1128
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: I love language, I love literature and the power of words.

1129
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: It was just strange. I can't come up with a

1130
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: better word than that, because on one side of the coin,

1131
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: we were very, very aware of the horror that was

1132
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: unfolding in front of our eyes. Right by the time

1133
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: that second plane hit, you knew that wasn't an accident.

1134
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: People were making you know, people have just lost their

1135
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: life instantly on the planes and where the plane struck,

1136
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: and now people are trying to get out of that building.

1137
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: People are making decisions of whether they're gonna burn to

1138
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: death or jump to their death. I mean, you just

1139
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: talk about the savagery of that moment, and then all

1140
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: these first responders that were coming to the families that

1141
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the worst new as they were ever

1142
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: going to hear in their lives, were very sensitive to that. Right,

1143
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: we're aware of that as we watch it and that

1144
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: we've been attacked. The reason it was strange is on

1145
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: the other side of that coin, we're a little bit excited,

1146
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: a little bit excited and and and bear with me.

1147
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: So I don't sound like a sociopath when I say that.

1148
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be. Yeah, I like, if

1149
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: someone can't understand what you're you're getting at, they're just

1150
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: not gonna understand. Yeah, they're not. And I'm gonna I'll

1151
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: equate it to sports. You know, imagine you practice every

1152
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: day of your life to perform at a high level

1153
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: of sport, but you never got to play a game.

1154
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: You'd be a crazy person, right. You know. You're not

1155
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: in a position where you're gonna like profit. No, no, no,

1156
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: we're not. We didn't go to You're in a position

1157
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: where like this could very well mean my life, This

1158
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: could very well mean my death. Yeah, I think I

1159
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: think you could talk about the mixed feelings. I asked

1160
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: you if you were comfortable with because I can picture

1161
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: in your mind how someone might take what you're saying

1162
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: the wrong way. Yeah, no, no, for sure, and so

1163
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: and so we were excited because we knew our phone

1164
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: was gonna be ringing, we were going to get to

1165
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: go respond. And I think it's it's interesting to reflect

1166
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: on that moment now, because that excitement was real and

1167
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: we knew we were going to get to go do

1168
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: to the job. It's amazing to think how little we

1169
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: knew how long we're going to be in this fight.

1170
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, no way could anybody have predicted we'd be

1171
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: approaching two decades of of of combat, you know now,

1172
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: that being said, just a tremendous gift for me. I mean,

1173
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I I think if I had gone my entire like

1174
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: the guys that were post Vietnam, pre nine eleven, that

1175
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: had those full careers, thirty year careers, in their twenty

1176
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: five year careers, that never got to fire a shot

1177
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: at a bad guy, and mean, I feeling like you'd

1178
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: be a lunatic if it. Yeah, grenadea Panama, a couple

1179
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: little events, and they're short of that. There was no

1180
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: bad guy, a little little little events. So I mean,

1181
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: for me, I feel like if I'd gotten through that

1182
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: whole thing and N eleven nine eleven hadn't happened, I

1183
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: would have had to sign up with, like, I don't know,

1184
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: somebody that was hunting rhino poachers in Zimbabwe or something

1185
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: like that, and just like I gotta go get in

1186
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: a gunfight with somebody. Man, this is this is what

1187
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: I came to do. I would have had to seek

1188
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: it out. Now. Now I've turned over every stone I

1189
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: wanted to want to turn in my experience, so so

1190
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: we got I think this maybe the surprise people. Maybe

1191
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: doesn't we feel lucky? I mean seals in particular special

1192
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: operators that wanted to go to the fight. You know,

1193
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: we we knew our number was gonna get called and

1194
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: and it has been ever since. But it had a

1195
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: big toll, tremendous toll. But I mean, you know, I'm lucky.

1196
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm on the lucky end of it, you know, I mean,

1197
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: I made out of there safe. I think, both physically

1198
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: and spiritually and emotionally, I married the right gal who's

1199
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: tough as nails and can run our family without me

1200
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: um and we're crazy about each other, and we have

1201
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: a I mean just an absolutely I think enviable marriage

1202
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: compared to a lot of folks I know, but that

1203
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: comes from a very tough gal that can do that

1204
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: without me and her knowing full well she she signed

1205
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: on to Mary. I mean, I was a seal when

1206
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: she married me, so she knew she was signing onto

1207
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: something where I might not come home from one of

1208
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: those times I leave the Uh we no, no, we were.

1209
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah after Night eleven, we did yeah, uh not long

1210
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: about a year after not she knew what she was

1211
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: gonna be the she knew, she knew, she knew if

1212
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: you ask her. Attrition for you, guys, as high as

1213
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: it seems, it seems like helicopter crashes, helicopter crashes are

1214
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: the are the bitch of the battlefield. You take three

1215
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: or four helicopter Chris crashes that were connected to seals,

1216
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: the number even with those, the numbers we've lost based

1217
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: on the mission sets and how far into bad guy

1218
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: country we've pushed it and sustained combat. It does not

1219
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: make sense how few people we've lost. If you take

1220
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: those helicopter crashed out of it, two hundred years from now,

1221
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: they'll start talking about like this is otherworldly with the

1222
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: that group accomplished in the damage they inflicted on the

1223
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: enemy and how few casualties they took in the fight. Yeah,

1224
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: because some of them. I remember one of the helicopter

1225
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: crash carried off eighteen. Oh yeah, we've had twenty plus guys,

1226
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: twenty three guys killed in a single helicopter crash twelve

1227
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: and another four in a helicopter. You take those crashes away,

1228
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: our numbers would be I mean mythical. Just real quick,

1229
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: because I've never never really asked, you know, I always

1230
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable like talking to guys that are in the

1231
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: military because I feel like the time when they're talking

1232
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: to me, they don't want to talk about that stuff, right,

1233
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: they want to talk about wool. But um, what would

1234
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: you mind, just real quick, like the numbers, Like what

1235
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: does Seal Team four have a specialty as opposed to

1236
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: and I know there's odd and even numbers. That's East coast,

1237
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: West coast. Yeah, just a super simple term. Seal Team

1238
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: one and Seal Team two were the first commission seal

1239
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: teams then Navy. This was then the sixties. Seal Team

1240
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: one just happened beyond the west Coast. Seal Team two

1241
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: was on the East coast. Every team that was born

1242
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: after that Seal Team one, three, five, and seven are

1243
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: all in the West UH two, four, eight, And now

1244
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to even be able to talk about this,

1245
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: but now Team Sex has become, you know, normal conversation,

1246
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: all on the East coast. So East Coast teams are

1247
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: even number of teams. West Coast teams are odd number teams.

1248
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Pre nine eleven, we were connected to a geographic region

1249
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: of the world, so the entire team was responsible for

1250
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: Central and South America, Africa, Middle East. He did post

1251
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: nine eleven. There was so much fight, there was so much,

1252
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: so many bad guys go chase that we just reorganized

1253
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: the deck and said, you know what, instead of sending

1254
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: one platoon to a geographic region in case something happens,

1255
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: we know where everything's happening, let's just send everybody. So

1256
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: now entire teams deployed to a region the team behind him,

1257
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Like if Stial Team three is deployed UH in Iraq

1258
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: and Afghanistan. Right now, still Team five is on deck.

1259
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: They're getting ready and trained up in the final end

1260
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: of their train to kind of go relieve Team three,

1261
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: Team three comes home, takes a break, Team seven is

1262
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: in the mix getting ready, and we just cycle like

1263
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: that too. Watch. So now we have a little bit

1264
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: more of a focus where we deploy for purpose as

1265
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: opposed to deploy for presidence. We still have a presence

1266
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: all over the world, more countries than you could believe.

1267
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: We have folks kind of sneaking around and taking a

1268
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: look to see what the next next fight could be,

1269
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: and be in president in case something happens. But most

1270
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: of the time are our teams are now deploying for

1271
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: specific purpose as opposed to just being a geographic region. Um,

1272
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: there's a term you use. Maybe you can give you

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Speaker 1: some background on where it comes from. And you bring

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: this up. I can't really tell me this you you

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: bring it up in damn you, but you were I'm

1276
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what you said. And then within that

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: is the term you used. You were saying that you

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: said to me, if I fell. Yeah, And that's why

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about. You said if I felt.

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01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Your primary worry was that your mother would turn that

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: into anger with her country too, So talk about that,

1282
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: but talk about why the word fell. I heard you

1283
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: say that so many times. I don't know. Maybe it's

1284
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: just like a language thing from literature or writing or

1285
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: or you know. I think people talk about and I've

1286
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: written a little bit of as like the kind of

1287
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: concept of the romance of war, the you know, and

1288
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: I assure you there's nothing romantic about being in war.

1289
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: Upon on reflection, when I think of some of the

1290
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: things my teammates did, which were absolutely um, just the

1291
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: stuff of legend. I mean, watching what some of my

1292
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: teammates did. Uh, I'm sure they'd say the same about

1293
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: some of the things I did. But you just can't

1294
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: think that way. As a war you're just hoping to

1295
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: not fail your teammate. But you know, falling in combat

1296
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: being killed in combat. So when I say fell, it means,

1297
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, being being taken down, and it's not a euphemism.

1298
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: It's not a euphemism. Is that meant to sort of

1299
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: like make it seem less. I guess I could say

1300
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: if I were killed in combat. I just don't think

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: I ever thought about that way. It's just said, Yeah,

1302
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times you said fell, and I'm like,

1303
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: why did why that word? Yeah? Maybe that's why, because

1304
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: it's I think it sounds better than just the real killed. Yeah. Yeah,

1305
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: but talking about that feeling about your explain, you know,

1306
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: it's too full. With my parents, I mean, I got

1307
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: I got a younger brother, and we're best friends, have

1308
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: been since the day he's he was born. He's a

1309
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: paramedic and firefighter ye and um and a writer and

1310
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: a musician, just a I mean, a pure renaissance man

1311
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: and tough. Anyone I've ever met my life, he would

1312
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: have been a phenomenal seal phenomenal seal um. But he uh,

1313
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I knew it would have broke his

1314
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: back and heart if I had, if I had, if

1315
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: I had fell in combat, But my parents, in particular,

1316
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: I was worried about, and I was worried about. I

1317
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: was probably least worried about my bride than anybody on

1318
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: the list, just because she's tough and not not because

1319
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: it would have been obviously it would have been crushing,

1320
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: and you know, worst case scenario in her life. That said, yeah,

1321
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: but you said, she uh, she shied away, She stayed

1322
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: away from the teams. And then no idea that three

1323
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: of my teammates have been killed on my last deployment

1324
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: until I got home and told her. That's how that's

1325
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: how much she like isolated herself from that, which was

1326
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: very healthy for her. And you're saying too, she waited

1327
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: a long long time to ask you, like, did you

1328
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: ever have to kill anybody? Years later, years later at

1329
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: the dinner. I'll never forget it when she asked you, yeah, yeah,

1330
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: because I think she knew, but I mean, it's not

1331
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: something we'd come back and say, hey, you know, here's

1332
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: the notches on the gun belt. This is not something.

1333
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: But she didn't want to hear like, oh, plane went on,

1334
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: helicopter went down. Let's all wait around to see who

1335
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: they because look they're there are wives on the wives

1336
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: network that would be connected to the team kind of

1337
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: leadership back home. And you know when it gets announced,

1338
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean you you, you, you guys have experienced this

1339
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: when when somebody gets announced he three service members were

1340
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: killed in Afghanistan last night, it's not Billy, Jimmy and

1341
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Johnny were killing. Takes days because you want to make

1342
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: sure the families here in first, so it takes time.

1343
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: So in two days. The thing it always gives me,

1344
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: man is like especially with guys, and like the more senior,

1345
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: more elite people tend to be a little bit older,

1346
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: and when I see those, I'll always see it and

1347
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: then you get the story about who they were and never, never, no,

1348
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: it's always the first single guy. So I was like, oh,

1349
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: he had four one year old and five year old

1350
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: and nine year olds like fun, it's unbelievable. But anyway,

1351
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: my mom is just a special a special lady, but

1352
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: a very emotional lady. And she I just was aware

1353
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: that I feel like if I if I had not

1354
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: come back, if I had been killed combat, that that

1355
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: she would have just just grenaded and just would you know,

1356
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: blame the country, been pissed and just I don't know this.

1357
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean I've never I don't think I've ever talked

1358
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: to her about it, but I just felt like I

1359
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with my brother being like, Hey,

1360
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: if I fall, don't let mom like just descend into

1361
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: chaos and hate this country. Make sure she knows I

1362
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: believed in what I was doing. I was with the

1363
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: people I wanted to be with. There'ld frankly be no

1364
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: better way for me to transition into the next life

1365
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: than than in combat. I mean, that's you know, I

1366
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: don't think you can die better than that. I hope

1367
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: I lived to be very old and gray and smoking

1368
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: a cigar on my porch and watching my great grandchildren

1369
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: run around. But the guys that get killed in combat,

1370
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: you're like, look, that's that's a gunfighter's life right there.

1371
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: That's that's about as good a death as you can have.

1372
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: So there's a real that And that's when I talk

1373
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: about a warrior. That's a different concept than I think

1374
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: most soldiers. I think a warrior sees his teammate with

1375
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: that flag draped over that coffin, is like that, dude's

1376
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: a lucky one man. He went out better than any

1377
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: of us are ever going to go out, for sure.

1378
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: So I was worried about that for my mom. And

1379
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: then my dad's dad was killed in the Pacific it

1380
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: or World War two. So in my mind, I was

1381
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: real worried that, like what, like what could be the

1382
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: worst case scenario in someone's life to have your life

1383
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: book ended by having your dad killed in combat and

1384
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: then have your son, probably a gazillion times worst killed combat.

1385
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: So I thought more about that than my own I

1386
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: feel like mortality or or or you know what, what

1387
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: could have happened on the battlefield that that that occupied

1388
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: some actual emotional currency, talk about talk about fishing with

1389
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: your dad when you guys a fish, and and uh

1390
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: and and the idea of complaining. So you know, nobody

1391
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: that's ever fished for steelheader has done it for any

1392
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: any more than one season. I mean, if you fish

1393
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: one time for steelhead on a bluebird day, you don't

1394
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Most people that have fished

1395
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: for steelhead or salmon would know how cold it is

1396
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: to sit in a drift boat or weighed into a

1397
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: cold river in the Pacific Northwest and just be freezing

1398
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: your butt off, wet, cold and miserable all day. And

1399
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: I remember being then those those beautiful drift boats, you know,

1400
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: my dad, brother and I sitting in the front and

1401
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: a guide, you know, rowing us down the Smith or

1402
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: the Trinity or some some great you know Western trout

1403
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: stream or Steelhead stream. And I remember, you know, you're

1404
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: up at three in the morning, four in the morning,

1405
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: putting the boat in. It's freezing cold. Then it starts

1406
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: raining on you. And I remember looking up at my

1407
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: dad midway through. I think it was an oregon A

1408
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: fishing trip, and just being so cold. I don't think

1409
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: I was that cold again until I went to steal training,

1410
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: being wet, my hands shaking, just sitting there hold and

1411
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: I remember looking up at my dad and there was

1412
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: no discussion about whether we were gonna, you know, go

1413
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: ashore early or take a break. It was just like,

1414
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: this is fishing, and we don't complain and that's who

1415
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: we are. And I was like, I guess that's who

1416
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: we are. We just don't complain. And so my brother

1417
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: and I have just always been tough. And I think

1418
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: it was those little those little lessons watching that and

1419
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: how you mimic that, and um, I think a lot

1420
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: of people have those experiences, particularly outdoorsmen and people like

1421
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: that that they saw, you know, their dad or their

1422
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: mentor out in a spot like that kind of sucking

1423
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: up and you're like, okay, I want to be that.

1424
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: But that suggests to me that you feel of it

1425
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: that like physical mental toughness. Well, okay, this I'm gonna

1426
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: stack two questions together. That suggests to me that you

1427
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: feel that physical and mental toughness are learned and not

1428
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: in eate. So speak to that and also speak to

1429
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: how how what is the relationship after all the things

1430
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: you've seen, And let's just I want to jump ahead

1431
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: real quick. You were on to run buts okay, So

1432
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: you have your old set of experiences from going through it,

1433
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: then you have your set of experiences watching how many

1434
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: classes go through I mean keep ball, Oh yeah, I

1435
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: mean I was there for about three years all told,

1436
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: and six classes go through a year. So you've seen

1437
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of people ringing the thousands of yeah.

1438
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: So ye, physical mental toughness one are they related to?

1439
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: Is it learned or innate? I don't want to give

1440
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: a cop out answer, but I feel like it's impossible

1441
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: for you to answer that honestly without somewhat doing it.

1442
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: I do think it's a little bit of both. I mean,

1443
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that everything. I have three kids,

1444
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of learn ship. And that's

1445
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: a parent knows this for a fact that your kids,

1446
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: in my mind, are who they are from the day

1447
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: they were born. I mean, I think the best parents

1448
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: will help their kid become the best version of who

1449
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: they are. But me trying to get one of my

1450
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: two daughters be different than who they are, I mean,

1451
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: I'd rather sooner hold back the tide than get my

1452
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: girls to be something different than they are on kind

1453
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: of an elemental level. That being said, I know they're

1454
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: looking at me and looking at their mama as to

1455
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: how to behave and who we are and what we

1456
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: believe in and how we just function in a daily life.

1457
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: So my my sense will be is that I don't

1458
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: think my kids will probably complain a lot and and

1459
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: um because they will see that and hopefully model that.

1460
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: Uh So, when I think it comes to being tough,

1461
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I do think there's some predisposed

1462
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: genetic stuff in there that you know, you see some

1463
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: kids that fall down and they cry and go screaming

1464
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: a mom and lose their mind. And there's some kids

1465
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: that get like bonk with a two by four and

1466
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: just kind of suck it up and power on. I mean,

1467
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: so I think there's some part of that that that's

1468
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: maybe genetic. And I think there's a lot of what

1469
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: you model and see and and and you know how

1470
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: you learn that stuff. So I do think it's both.

1471
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think leaders are the same way.

1472
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: When I talk to leaders about leadership and my book,

1473
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: there's all these xs and os I can teach you

1474
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: about how to do things right in leadership, how do

1475
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,520
Speaker 1: things wrong. There's things that obviously fall into those two categories,

1476
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: and I think you could learn the good stuff and

1477
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: execute that as best you can. I think you can

1478
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: do that, though, And if you don't have some certain

1479
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: level of X factor that's connected to that something where

1480
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: people gravitate towards you as a leader, you're you're probably

1481
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot more trouble than those folks that

1482
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: have it. And so I so I think it is

1483
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: a combination. I think it is a combination. What about

1484
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: the physical and mental stuff? So I think it uh

1485
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: again the same. I mean, I think I think, like

1486
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: Janice asked earlier, my body never broke down the Seals train.

1487
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: It hasn't really broke down to this point. I mean,

1488
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: I've had one shoulder surgery. Other than that, my body

1489
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: can take a pretty phenomenal amount abuse and keep going on.

1490
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm not the fastest guy. I'm not the quickest guy.

1491
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm not the strongest guy or any of those things.

1492
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: But my body is like kind of like a diesel

1493
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: pickup truck. It will just keep going. And there's guys

1494
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: that are very elite performers that almost performed like a Ferrari,

1495
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: but they're high tuned like a Ferrari and broke down more.

1496
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: And so I think my body on just like a

1497
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,440
Speaker 1: metabolic you know, physical way it can withstand a tremendous

1498
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: amount of abuse. Now, so that was a gift for sure.

1499
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: But along with that, there's there's your mental attitude going

1500
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: into the training or going into combat that that has

1501
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: to be the strongest, because I think as your mind

1502
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: and kind of spirit goes, so goes the rest of

1503
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: your body. I mean, you know, I think that's what

1504
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: seal training offers up. We we break everybody down to

1505
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: a point where you you definitely have a legitimate reason

1506
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: to quit. You have a legitimate reason. And seal train.

1507
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: No one has ever gone through training and been like

1508
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: this is a good day. I'm I'm happy with every

1509
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: single day that went through. None of that was hard

1510
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. Everybody will hit some point where they could

1511
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: easily quit and nobody would frankly fault, and they don't.

1512
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: And that's what lives up in between your ears and

1513
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: and maybe in your heart probably connection between your heart

1514
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: and your your heart and your mind. But you knew,

1515
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: like you you told me. I think you told me

1516
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: you knew going and you would not quit, no doubt

1517
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: about it. And I don't mean that I don't know

1518
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: people going into are like, maybe I'll quit. I think

1519
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people look out of the out of that.

1520
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: This is one thing I share, and I always kind

1521
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: of find it funny because I think I'm right when

1522
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: I say this. We had like a hund eight nine

1523
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: guys start, twenty two guys finished. I bet one guy

1524
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: at graduation one out of twenty two probably was sitting

1525
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: at graduation day going, holy sh it, I made it.

1526
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe I saw the finish line like one

1527
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: I bet surprised himself, but that the rest of them

1528
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: were just sitting there, steely eyed killers, ready to go.

1529
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: I knew they were gonna get through because most of

1530
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: the guys I know that I showed up at the

1531
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: team with we're just that way. If you made that

1532
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: program twice as hard, if their body didn't break down,

1533
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: they would have made it. And if you made it

1534
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: half again as easy, I think most of the guys

1535
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: that quit would have quit as well. So I really

1536
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: think it does come down to you know your upbringing,

1537
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: your you know your mentors, whether that was a coach,

1538
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: a pastor, a parent, that kind of gave you the

1539
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: we don't give up or you developed that through sports.

1540
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, athletes do really well there because I think

1541
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: athletes are used to suffering to work towards a goal

1542
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: and want to compete and win, and so I think

1543
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: they developed this like hunters probably do the same. I

1544
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: would think good hunters probably do the same thing, where

1545
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: even when they feel like they're out of the fight

1546
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: and and things have gone south on a hunt, they're like,

1547
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep working. I'm gonna keep working and

1548
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: see it through the end. And so I feel like

1549
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: my voice going through seal train was just like I

1550
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: can do this, and instructor would get in my ear

1551
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: and try and make fun of my family and my

1552
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: bloodline and my performance that moment I'd just be like,

1553
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: after you, dude, and there's nothing you're gonna do to

1554
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: stop me. And probably all the guys that quit, we're

1555
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: hearing that voice or hearing their own voice being like

1556
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: you're not good enough, you can't do it, and that's

1557
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: got to be toxic as anything out there. It's the

1558
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: thing I see all the time with hunting and fishing

1559
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: is just like some people who there's like this attitude

1560
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: that they're like, it's not gonna work. I tried. I

1561
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: fished that hole in that hole. Why would I go

1562
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: down and look for another guy? Damn hole. We already

1563
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Here's one of the best. You know.

1564
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a it's like a it's

1565
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: an attitude. But I'm not even trying. I hope you

1566
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: don't think I'm anybody trying to equate that ship with

1567
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: what you've been through. No, no, no, but I think

1568
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: that I don't think that. I don't think that like

1569
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing would inform your experiences, But I think

1570
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: that your experiences could inform hunting and fishing, no doubt

1571
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: about it. And and we'll get that. The one story

1572
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: I'll share that I think was really potent for my

1573
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: Seal Traine. I wrote about this in my first book.

1574
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: I did this little like two page about it, and

1575
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: it was this, uh, it's this phrase, I this is mine.

1576
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: I kind of coined this when I was running training,

1577
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't recognize it until I ran training, but

1578
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: we had something that I would call I kind of

1579
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: coined it random acts of instructor violence, random acts of

1580
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: instructor violence. And this is the way that would work

1581
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: if if if I was the lead instructor, and let's

1582
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: say you, you know, Stephen Andell are in charge of

1583
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: the class, and I said to you, like on a Tuesday, Hey,

1584
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, you're in charge of class. I need you

1585
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: to be at the pool deck at six am on

1586
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: the dot, No, no later than six am. You need

1587
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: to have your fins, you know, your dive fins at

1588
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: a forty five degree angle. I want your mask to

1589
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: be mirror clear. I want your knife to be sharp.

1590
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: And we're gonna start training at six am. Got it,

1591
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Beat it, and then you go and take off. If

1592
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: you showed up at Seal training, which just savage from

1593
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: the day it begins till it ends, and you showed

1594
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 1: up at six o four, you could pretty much guarantee

1595
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: what your day is going to be as a class,

1596
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: Like forget getting in the pool. We're just gonna crush

1597
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: you for the next eighteen hours because you left up

1598
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: a simple directive that I said be there at six

1599
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: and so we beat the class mercilessly if they if

1600
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: they showed up late. But every once in a while

1601
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: the class would show up, they'd beat ten minutes early.

1602
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: We'd come walking in as instructors and you could even

1603
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: see them smiling. I mean, everybody's fins are in the

1604
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: right place, their mask is mirrors, their knife sharp, they raised.

1605
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: You can even see the students kind of like a

1606
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: little shit eating grin and be like, yeah, we got it.

1607
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: We're here already. And we'd beat them worse than the

1608
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: day they failed, twice as bad. And I remember a

1609
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: lot of guys would quit in those moments, like guys

1610
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: going through and be like, this is unfair. I'm out

1611
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: of here. You go ring the belt. And the lesson

1612
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: is you can do everything absolutely right, particularly on the battlefield,

1613
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: and it can go catastrophically wrong, and you can do

1614
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: everything wrong. I mean, I saw guys do the stupidest

1615
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: things you can imagine and walk out of their unscathed.

1616
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: And I saw guys do things perfectly and get blown

1617
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: out of their boots and lose it. Everyone in combat,

1618
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: every one of those guys in the Hellcape Copter, the

1619
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: best operators in the world, with the best pilots in

1620
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: the world, and it just went wrong that way. They

1621
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, They're doing it right. It just

1622
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: went wrong and so you gotta be comfortable with doing

1623
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: everything right and have it going wrong. I think hunting

1624
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: is very much the same way. You can do everything

1625
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: perfectly right by everything we've all amassed in a knowledge

1626
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: base of how you go pursue an animal, do it

1627
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: everything perfect, and just come up goose goose eggs right, nothing.

1628
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: And you can have a guy come from you know,

1629
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beat up any state. Somebody comes from

1630
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: New Jersey, is fifty pounds overweight, never carried a gun

1631
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: in his life, sited in the day before, walks one

1632
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: step off the trail and takes a six six like

1633
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: half hour into hunting light, no skill, no nothing, just

1634
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: bom it, walks right back to New Jersey and puts

1635
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: a trophy on as well. Didn't do anything, no, no

1636
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: like talent to get to that point whatsoever. So I

1637
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: feel like as a hunter, you gotta be okay with both.

1638
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that you can work your tail

1639
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: off and and and have it go wrong and nothing,

1640
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: nothing happened. You can every once in a while you're

1641
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: gonna walk out and you're gonna get hooked up. In

1642
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: the case you're talking about beating people for doing everything right,

1643
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: like when you do that, are you trying to Are

1644
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: you looking for the guy that already gets it, or

1645
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: you're trying to Actually, uh, you're more to be honest,

1646
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: you're more so looking for the person that's gonna quit

1647
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: in that scenario. You're looking for the guy that's gonna

1648
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: say this is untried to find the guy this is unfair,

1649
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: who would feel outrage over unfairness. Exactly right. It's time

1650
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: for you to go because you're not in the wrong,

1651
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: you're not in the right line of work. But the

1652
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: guys that are, you know, the guys that like when

1653
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: we had a couple of those initial aircraft go down,

1654
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: those helicopters go down, like like during you know, the

1655
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: Loan Survive Ever event and then Extortion Won seven was

1656
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: went down. We lost twenty people. I'm telling you right now,

1657
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: people were in almost fist fights to be on the

1658
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: next helicopter going in. And that level of kind of

1659
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: cultural resilience that it's like it's gonna go wrong, and

1660
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: yet we still want you to press forward and go

1661
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: do it. That that that is taught through lessons like that,

1662
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what you need from your operators.

1663
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: We can't have guys who are like, Oh, it's gonna

1664
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: go wrong. I'm out of here. I'm gonna quit today.

1665
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't deal on that. We don't deal

1666
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: on that. You, Um, you took a long, long like

1667
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: you grew up fishing with your dad and spent a

1668
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of time outdoors, and then he took a long

1669
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: long break, uh for your service and didn't do really

1670
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: anything recreationally, started a family and served and didn't do

1671
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: anything kind of fun. I'm sure you had moments of

1672
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: fun moments, but not like dedicated days that No. I mean,

1673
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,959
Speaker 1: we fished multiple times a year since before I can remember,

1674
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: and I joined the Navy in ninety nine. The next

1675
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: time my dad brother I want to fish and trip

1676
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: was two thousand six. Yeah. When now that that, how

1677
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: do you look at like, how do you see hunting

1678
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: and fishing now that you're done? Uh? It has become

1679
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: just an otherworldly kind of pillar in my life at

1680
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: this point. And I'm still a complete rookie to like,

1681
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, big game hunting for sure. I mean, I

1682
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I jumped to the head of the

1683
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: class because I got to go home my first big

1684
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: gay hump, big big game hunt with you guys. So

1685
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean I got to jump jump and do an

1686
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: Alaska you know, float plane trip to go after bear

1687
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: from my very first big hand point out cried the

1688
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 1: whole time to quit, kept trying to quit. But I mean,

1689
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: so I jumped. I jumped the line. Um. But I

1690
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: feel like there's these there's these these choices you can

1691
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: make in life about what you're gonna do with your time, right,

1692
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: like what you can do with your leisure time. And

1693
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: I've seen this written before, this is in mind. But

1694
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: like how you see somebody like you evalue what they

1695
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: do with their leisure time, you can kind of take

1696
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: the measure of a man. And I think there's a

1697
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: couple of things that are much bigger than a hobby, right,

1698
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: and hunting resolutely falls into that category. Surfing is another one.

1699
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, surfing is one of those things that people

1700
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 1: get bit by it. It becomes a path, It becomes

1701
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: this like journey whose destination you might not even know

1702
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: where it's gonna go, but you are just constantly it's

1703
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: a pursuit. You're just constantly pursuing some level of that experience,

1704
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: whether it's the perfect wave or the perfect moment or

1705
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: your skill set, and I think hunting is the same.

1706
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: I think anybody that takes hunting seriously, not not not

1707
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: the guy that goes out once or twice I don't,

1708
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: or maybe gets a kick and shoot hunt or something

1709
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: with somebody's because they wanted at an auction. But I

1710
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: mean people that made hunting a big part of their life.

1711
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: It's it's um, it's far far bigger than than just

1712
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: going to pursue an animal, at least it is for me.

1713
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: So I mean the thing I found when we went

1714
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: on that first hunt that was so such a gift

1715
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: and why it was an instant love affair and something

1716
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: that I will never not be doing until somehow I

1717
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. Is I remember, is sending me

1718
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: a gear list? Right? So just emailed me a gear

1719
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: list and what I do And now all of a

1720
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: sudden in my garage laying out all my kit, my

1721
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: gear and getting it ready, which is exactly what we

1722
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: did when we prepared for a deployment or a mission.

1723
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: And he's like this, we're gonna be going. So now

1724
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing a map study and taking a look at

1725
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: the terrain, what the weather will be, which is exactly

1726
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: what we did we went on a mission, and then

1727
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: I show up and meet you guys at you know,

1728
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: ce Tack, and then we fly up into what you know,

1729
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: we land an anchorage and kind of get ready and

1730
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're hopping in the floatplane and

1731
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, packing gear, we're testing weight, we know how

1732
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: much weights in that aircraft. That's very familiar. Then we

1733
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: land in this remote location and and at that point

1734
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: it still hadn't struck me. The moment that struck me,

1735
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: and it's even on the episode is when we first

1736
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: put that backpack on. I've got a heavy pack, you know,

1737
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: capable boots and gear, and and a rifle on my shoulder.

1738
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: And I remember we wave by the buck and start

1739
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: walking off into the country and I could see big

1740
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: mountains that I was like, well, this is pretty familiar,

1741
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: like rocking around with a heavy pack and a gun,

1742
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go like chase something. So I

1743
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: tell anyone that's a veteran that isn't hunting is doing

1744
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: themselves a disservice, particularly if they're in a combat unit,

1745
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: because it is an unbelievably healthy transition from what we

1746
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: did in our last life. I mean now now I

1747
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: get to go walk around rugged terrain and what I kill.

1748
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: Instead of being a two legged animal, it's a four

1749
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: legged animal that I can bring home and eat and

1750
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: provide good food for my family and still get off

1751
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: in these beautiful, remote um places and and suffer a

1752
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: little bit, which I I think. Um, I think one

1753
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest mistakes we're making as a country is

1754
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: not suffering. You know, we we just established these very

1755
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: comfortable lives. I think sufferings where all the growth is men.

1756
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: There's the thing I talked about and I've written about

1757
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: it is um. It's the thing that's important to me

1758
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: with my kids. It's a slow process, but like learning

1759
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: to be comfortable, being uncomfortable, no doubt we even had.

1760
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to achieve it. There's a guy

1761
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: we work with, Rick Smith. He's been doing yoga for

1762
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: a million years and UM. He talks about you know,

1763
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: like hot yoga. Right where you going to room, it's

1764
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: a hundred four degrees and you're gonna hold these very

1765
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: uncomfortab bowling. He says. You walk in there and you

1766
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 1: get into an uncomfortable position. It's a hundred four degrees

1767
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: and some part of your body is like, get out

1768
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: of here, right, And he's like you're okay, Yeah, you're okay.

1769
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: It's hot, but you're okay. We're gonna concentrate, We're gonna

1770
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: be in this real, this space and hold an uncomfortable

1771
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: pose and we're okay. And then you learn later you

1772
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: know what I was Okay, No, it is. Those are

1773
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: the big building blocks for sure. I mean I remember

1774
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: when my kids were first I'm just even trying to

1775
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: zip up a jacket. I mean, you go to any playground,

1776
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: USA and you see some kid like struggling to zip

1777
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: a jack, You'll see like seven moms rush in to

1778
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: try and help them get their Jacket'm like, get the

1779
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 1: f away from my kid. My kids gotta learn to

1780
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: put her jacket on. So she's just gonna wrestle with

1781
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: that zipper for a little while. Could become the child

1782
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: be in a situation where they would have to zip

1783
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: their own jacket. It's possible. It's possible. So no, no,

1784
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm four it so so, I mean hunting has just

1785
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: become I mean I spent an inordinate amount of time

1786
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: thinking about it now. But it's a tranquility to it.

1787
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Though it's very different than what you experienced serving overseas

1788
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: and combast situation of course, of course, I mean you know,

1789
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: how do you view that? I mean there's a you know,

1790
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: like like I know, you feel it like a like

1791
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: a physical beauty of peacefulness. And from your perspective, there

1792
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: has been an element of like this is my space

1793
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: that I that I fought for, Like I think you

1794
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: mentioned me one time, doubt is you mentioned to me

1795
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: that like that, that that coming up as a leader,

1796
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: coming up as an American citizen, as someone who is

1797
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: going to have opinions about how we were in the country,

1798
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: how we should Behave you said something about that you

1799
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: always felt that you wanted to earn your seat at

1800
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,959
Speaker 1: the table, right, so now here you are and imagine

1801
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 1: you have to look at a lot of these places

1802
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: and have sort of a refined sense of ownership. I

1803
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: think I enjoy it about the natural world, no doubt

1804
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: about it. I think I enjoyed. And when you look

1805
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: at like the great writers and even the eight readers

1806
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: this country, I mean Teddy Rose about and some of

1807
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: these folks, I mean everyone knows. I mean, I know

1808
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: they've studied this in detail. That time and wild places

1809
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: out of doors is just good for you, and so

1810
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: few people are doing it, but all of us know it,

1811
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: like like it's like a Dick and Jane book. Well,

1812
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: of course, go out into some beautiful spot, breathe that

1813
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: air and and and do something worthwhile, you know, out

1814
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: of the confines of what now is just uh. Cal

1815
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: and I were joking about in the airport. I mean

1816
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: it's like if you don't really think the zombie apocalypse

1817
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: has actually already arrived, when you look at cell phones

1818
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: and everybody just staring at that phone as soon as

1819
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: a plane lands or in a Starbucks, I mean, it's

1820
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: it's here. The zombie apocalypse is here. If you live

1821
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: in cyberspace and on your phone, you have you have

1822
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: achieved the zombie lifestyle. And and when you get away

1823
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: from that and you're off off the grid, it's just uh,

1824
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it. It just feeds some part.

1825
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: It definitely feeds like the the conscious part of you,

1826
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: but you also know it's feeding someplace inside you that

1827
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: comes from a very primal, primal place. And and I

1828
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: think when you do it for the purpose of of

1829
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: taking game and then providing food, you're even more connected

1830
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: to this thing that we've been doing a lot longer

1831
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: than we haven't. Right, Like, as a species, it's much

1832
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: more natural to go out and do that than it

1833
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: is unnatural. And I think warriors kind of know that too.

1834
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I think we believe people fighting and fighting for what

1835
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: they believe in and who they are is probably more

1836
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: natural than it is unnatural. Like the folks that don't

1837
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: understand combat and want to put their head in the

1838
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: sand and believe the world's a happy place. We're all

1839
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: going to get along. It just it just isn't, you know.

1840
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: And I think if you have any sense of history,

1841
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,799
Speaker 1: you will recognize that there have not been large pieces

1842
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: of time when that's not the case. But no hunting,

1843
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's uh, it's just become an otherworldly part

1844
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: of my life and and um uh dominates a lot

1845
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: of my time for all healthy good reasons. UM give

1846
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: me the quick. Tell people your two books kind of

1847
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: the the what's what with them? Yeah? The first books

1848
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: called Damn Few Making the Modern Seal War, that's what.

1849
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: That one's more autobiographical with kind of how I grew up. Um,

1850
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: not not so much. I II in the book I

1851
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: try not to do there's a lot of there's a

1852
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of seal books that are

1853
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: I killed this many people, I killed this person, and

1854
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I got I got. I'm not I'm not trying to

1855
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: beat those guys up. It's much more this is what

1856
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: led me to this level of service and and and

1857
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: pursuing some of those things that I wanted to experience

1858
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: in service, and then why we do it, what we

1859
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: do it for? And then a little bit outward looking

1860
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: on on maybe what the how the country can see, um,

1861
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: you know what what combat and what fighting and being

1862
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: prepared to fight anyway does you know for our position

1863
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: in the world. My second book is called Worth Dying

1864
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: for a Navy Seals Call to a Nation, And this

1865
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: one's a little much more forward looking and kind of

1866
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: again it covers some of the higher ideals I learned

1867
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: and seal training that that applied to leadership and um,

1868
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, managing your life. And it's also real outward

1869
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: looking on how I think we can make the country

1870
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: a stronger place. Like I talked about universal service, um

1871
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: and how potent I think that would be, and military

1872
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: service could be one way. I also think it could

1873
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: be you know, your kid finishes high school and they

1874
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: gotta go give just and there's plenty of you know,

1875
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: some Eastern European Israel where military services compulsory. I think

1876
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: that would satisfy that public service. But I think everybody

1877
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: should do service. Military is not for everybody. And so,

1878
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, a year out of high school, I think

1879
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 1: you should go out of your hometown and give back,

1880
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Like you just gotta go work for either an NGO

1881
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: or a government program or something that kind of gives

1882
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: back on a subsistence wage. Suffer a little bit, don't

1883
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: be comfortable and really think of somebody other than yourself

1884
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: for a block of time. And I just think it

1885
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: would be a game changer, um for our country because

1886
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: I think we are so self looking and self centered

1887
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: on on kind of our desires and we want things

1888
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: to be to be that that I think thinking of

1889
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: others and kind of think of the collective would be

1890
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, what are you gonna? Um? Oh?

1891
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: Do you mind tell people quick about your your the

1892
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: movie you worked on active? Yeah? Yeah, I mean the

1893
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: funny thing about this. Yeah, so two thousand and twelve,

1894
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Act of Valor came out as a major motion picture. Yeah,

1895
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: I hadn't, I hadn't hung out with you so everyone

1896
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: in the mill, everyone in that movie that's in the

1897
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: military was actually in the military doing their job. So

1898
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: we were actually put on Navy orders, which I have

1899
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: kept in case there's every like a congressional inquiry as

1900
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: to you know, why we did this movie. But the

1901
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Navy put on us us on a set of orders

1902
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: saying to make this movie act of valor, which you

1903
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: get called in and said here's what you're gonna do. Well,

1904
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: we got called in to get interviewed by these filmmakers

1905
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: that had been green lit to make a movie about seals.

1906
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: So we got called in really just do interviews with

1907
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: those directors so they could learn about seals. Their plan

1908
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: was to go back to Hollywood and cast you know,

1909
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Vin Diesel or something like that to be a seal.

1910
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: And they got done with those interviews and went back

1911
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: up to Hollywood started think about, I think it's gonna

1912
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: be easier to teach seals to act than actors to

1913
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: be seals if we want to get this right and

1914
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: make it authentic, And then um and the Pentagon was

1915
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: cool with it as promotion. It was like a promos

1916
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: all the way through. It was totally cool until it

1917
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: came out and like when it came out and all

1918
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's like commercials on the Super Bowl

1919
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,719
Speaker 1: and it becomes the number one movie in America. People

1920
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: started flipping out the front office. Yes, I think some

1921
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: heads rolled, not not ours, but um no, I mean

1922
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: everybody that got asked to do it, because I mean

1923
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 1: it is, you know, kind of taboo to try to

1924
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: turn and buck off of this stuff. And and and

1925
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: that all was pretty clean. We didn't get paid to

1926
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: make the movie. I mean I didn't make a dime

1927
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: off being an active valor you know in that that's expense. Yeah,

1928
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: I got your normal three seals a day and Navy

1929
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: squares a day and in my regular ways. Yeah, so

1930
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: um no, we didn't. We didn't profit. But that was

1931
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: the rub as they thought, Wait a minute, why are

1932
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: we pushing assets or actual military person l and material

1933
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: to help make a movie? Like once people at a

1934
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: certain level looked at it. Yeah, yeah, it's a fun

1935
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: it's a fun movie. Watch. Yeah, it's like inspiring and fun.

1936
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: One thing that a lot of people will realize the

1937
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: reason it's called Act of Valor is every big moment

1938
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: that happens that movie is something from actual seal history.

1939
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,919
Speaker 1: Like one of our chiefs was shot twenty seven times.

1940
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: He killed like the four bad guys in the room

1941
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: and walked to the helicopter and survived. And one of

1942
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: my teammates in two thousand six jumped under grenade to

1943
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: protect his teammates and and you know, pay the ultimate

1944
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: price for that. Uh, and we capture that. You know,

1945
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: another guy was hit by I mean, everything that takes

1946
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: place in that movie is out of our actual history,

1947
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,759
Speaker 1: actual history. Yeah, without giving a playbook to al Qaeda.

1948
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean that was the big thing about doing the

1949
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: movie is we we look at footage and say, you

1950
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: know what, let's cut this one. You know, the way

1951
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: we wrapped around this corner with a gun. You don't

1952
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: need to show that it wasn't something like crazy advanced tactic.

1953
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: But we're like, we don't want to give the the

1954
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: enemy of playbook based on watching this movie. So we're

1955
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: here's what it'll look like and feel like if you

1956
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: get rated exactly. No, okay, so what like what are

1957
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: you gonna do now? I mean, right, for thirteen years,

1958
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. I mean now that you

1959
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing now, But like, what's the

1960
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean you have a ten year plan. No, I'm

1961
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: not a great strategic thinker admittedly, Like I'm not like

1962
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: when somebody's like, where do you want to be in

1963
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: five years? I just don't do that. I'm not going

1964
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: to continue to do books. Yeah, but I don't want

1965
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: to write them just to write them. I feel like

1966
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: you feel the same, Like I'm not. I could. I

1967
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: could write twenty five leadership books starting tomorrow with building

1968
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, a system of books that that that I

1969
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: could make very commercial. Um, I just want to write

1970
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: them if I have something to write about. And I

1971
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 1: think I'm I'm circling. I'm circling in on what the

1972
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: next one will be. So I think I'm gonna start

1973
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: grinding on that soon. I do a lot of consulting

1974
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: on leadership and for high performance teams. I'm really looking consulting, yeah,

1975
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: not just not just speaking, do just speaking, And and

1976
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: now I'm starting to offer up you know, executive kind

1977
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: of coaching sessions and leadership and talking to teams with

1978
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 1: like new folks and organization, how those new folks and

1979
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,480
Speaker 1: organization can perform and kind of think of the organization

1980
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: above and beyond themselves, which I think I can speak

1981
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: to and, um, hey have you, uh, have you watched

1982
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: I've actually recommended this movie. Um, have you watched some

1983
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: kind of monster? This movie and melt your This movie

1984
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: could melt your brain in in a bad way. But

1985
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: it's about it's a documentary about the band Metallica, where

1986
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 1: like into it they're grown ups with families and ship

1987
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: and uh, they can't get along anymore. And they hire

1988
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: a consultant who's kind of like half shrink half consultant

1989
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: who's who specializes in helping teams, oftentimes athletic teams, helping

1990
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: teams like find a way to work, especially big personalities,

1991
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: find a way to like work together on a goal.

1992
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: But he takes it very soft approach. Um, it's a

1993
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: fascinating movie. I'll check it my brother, he said. The

1994
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: problem the Metallica is haven't isn't enter personal. It's just

1995
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: that they suck now and they used to be good.

1996
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: But um no, it's an interesting movie. If you were

1997
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: in that role, I feel like you would have walked

1998
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: in and beat the ship out of all of them

1999
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: and then said, well let's start now, now, let's get

2000
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: up and start. I mean I do, I do talk

2001
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: about this a lot when when organizations ask me, you know,

2002
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: for some advice on how to make themselves stronger. I

2003
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: do think you gotta figure out a way to suffer

2004
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: a little bit and and do it as a group.

2005
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like if you do that, I

2006
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: don't care it's even just going out on a height,

2007
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: but do a height for the group that most people

2008
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: will be uncomfortable with. And when you get to the

2009
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: top of the mountain, have a little have a little talk,

2010
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: and then come back down then debrief it over the

2011
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: next couple of days. It's just again, everybody's so comfortable

2012
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: all the time. And the reason I have those unreal

2013
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: relationships with the guys I have from the Seal teams

2014
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: is because of that shared like misery, like when you

2015
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: suffer with somebody in our miserable doing something like I mean,

2016
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: the hunts that you two guys have had will make

2017
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: you better friends. And most people will ever be friends

2018
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: with somebody because of going to do that. I don't

2019
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: think that just happens at a coffin. No, there's something

2020
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: that clicks, man, There's something that clicks, like a little

2021
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: bit of just dealing with something. Yep, it does you know?

2022
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: It does it? Makes you really really love someone or

2023
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: makes you not like them at all. I mean, that's

2024
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: the thing. That's the thing I like about is crucial

2025
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: talking about the camp cancer. Yeah, and you take it

2026
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: so serious, right, Like the people you're actually gonna go

2027
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: hunting with, that's a small list of folks that you're

2028
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna want to like, spend that cherished time with. If

2029
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: somebody's not on that list or like black balls up,

2030
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: I know you're not inviting them to another huh call

2031
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: it OTC out of the club for sure, you know,

2032
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: Like I think Steve and I and UH have talked

2033
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: about it in the past. It's like it makes you

2034
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: really think hard, not for necessarily having a bad time

2035
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: in the short term with a new hunting partner, but

2036
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: being like, I may never look at D the same again,

2037
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 1: because chances are it's not gonna go that great. You

2038
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: can ruin. You can ruin by going on a on

2039
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: a difficult hunting, your fishing trip. You can ruin what

2040
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: might have otherwise been a fine ten year friendship. Absolutely,

2041
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, if we hadn't have done that for

2042
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: three days, I might have drank beer with you, not

2043
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: I might have drank tea with them. I would have

2044
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: drank tea with them for ten years, but now I can't.

2045
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I can't look at them. I think because it does go,

2046
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: it does run very much parallel, like like I said

2047
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: to military service, where it's it gets to those like

2048
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: primal things when you go hunting, like whether it's just well,

2049
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: it's just showing up on time, right, Like if if

2050
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: somebody tells me, hey, let's meet at six am and

2051
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 1: they show up at five forty five, they're pretty much

2052
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: off like my list, They're like O T C. I'm like,

2053
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: I was there at because you said be there at six.

2054
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 1: That's just what I do. Like, you been there at

2055
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: six fifteen is unacceptable to me. And then you know

2056
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: where you're gonna set up camp. Are you cold? Are

2057
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: you gonna complain about being cold? Are you gonna do

2058
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 1: you're part of the workload within camp? Are you just

2059
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a leech? Like? All those things are big

2060
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: things in my mind about the character of someone. So

2061
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: when you go on a hunt, you're you do like

2062
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 1: a one or two day hunt, You're probably gonna have

2063
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: the complete like character breakdown of who that person is.

2064
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: And it might be false, but it sure feels real. Yeah,

2065
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 1: it might be that you pushed it too hard, too fast,

2066
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 1: but it feels real enough where you can't undo the damage.

2067
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: There's probably a danger there because you might be like, yeah,

2068
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: maybe it would have been better had we just maybe

2069
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: I should just forget that and then have the ten

2070
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: year beer drinking friendship. Um, are you gonna go into politics?

2071
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I've been asked a lot about it. Why do people

2072
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: ask you that? Be Well, my hope is my hope

2073
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: is that they think there's a big gap in the

2074
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: folks that are leading this country and probably want the

2075
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: right people to be doing it. And I'm not sure

2076
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: if I'm that person. I know I could do that job.

2077
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean I I know how to lead. I know

2078
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: how I would do that. The two thousand eighteen UH

2079
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: governorship is open right now in Colorado, but it's just

2080
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:12,839
Speaker 1: too early. I think I think I'd probably be miserable.

2081
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'd probably be miserable. I also

2082
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: very you like challenges, I think because the construct of

2083
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,839
Speaker 1: that is so I think a governorship would be interesting

2084
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 1: because you do get to run a smaller version of

2085
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: the greater, you know, kind of country system in a

2086
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: little more insulated environment. You know and and kind of

2087
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: get real tangible results like, Okay, if I implement this,

2088
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 1: let's see what happens, and you're probably gonna see pretty

2089
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: quick what you what you can do and can't do.

2090
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, the jury's out a little bit. I

2091
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: mean I still have this sense again, it's very much

2092
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: akin to Churchill. I mean, he went into combat and

2093
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: and kind of got all that out of his system.

2094
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: And then the end of that book worth uh, my

2095
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: early life, which is that book I read that led

2096
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: me to military service. That book ends about the time

2097
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: he entered parliament started his political service, and he saw

2098
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: that as yet another vehicle through which he felt like

2099
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 1: he was earning his seat at the table. Now he

2100
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 1: had family history with that obviously was the right man

2101
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: for that season in world history, and and and one

2102
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: the day. Um, I don't know, we'll see not now.

2103
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 1: I mean what I I can definitely say is I

2104
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of adventures to get on before that happens.

2105
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 1: I think I'd be better at it down the road.

2106
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 1: I don't want my kiddos to experience that social calendar

2107
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:28,560
Speaker 1: and the scrutiny that goes into that. I mean, I

2108
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I you're not gonna find skeletons in my closet. That

2109
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like you should like it, because

2110
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: um uh, I think a lot of people have to

2111
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: aggonize about their infidelities, about how they used to get

2112
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: too wasted. No, I wouldn't be worried about this, but like, yeah,

2113
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 1: if you go dig into like Rourke Denver over the years,

2114
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: you're not gonna like start finding all kinds of weird ship. No.

2115
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: I do pretty good, There's no doubt day by day basis,

2116
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I think that becomes the scary thing is I feel

2117
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 1: like we're watching the political climate right now and a

2118
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: lot of that I think it's just driven so much

2119
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: by media and social media and what people how people

2120
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,799
Speaker 1: are digesting their information. But I think everyone can agree

2121
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: that far from the most talented people in this country

2122
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: are running this country. Far from it. Whereas it was

2123
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: absolutely the inverse at the beginning. I mean, when you

2124
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 1: start talking about the Founding Fathers, you were talking about

2125
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: some of the most talented, intelligent, capable human beings that

2126
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 1: have ever walk the earth. Yeah, but even now there's

2127
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: this bad habit of uh, there's this bad habit of

2128
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: dissecting them relative to social norms at the time relative

2129
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: to social norms at the time. That would have been

2130
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: like it would have been unfathomable that there would be

2131
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:45,440
Speaker 1: another path, but nobviously sort of like take like contemporary

2132
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: senses of morality and social justice and hold them up

2133
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 1: to that lens and be like, oh, can you believe

2134
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 1: it's like okay, it would have been like you might

2135
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: as well have gone and talk to him, you know,

2136
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 1: about concepts of outer space and infinity and see what

2137
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: he thinks about that, because he wouldn't know about that either. Yeah. No, no,

2138
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: for sure, But I guess I think we're we are

2139
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 1: just yeah, you're I think that. Yeah, yeah, with those

2140
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: guys visionaries visionaries and they spent The other thing too,

2141
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: is I think this is another thing about hunting that

2142
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,480
Speaker 1: that appeals is hunting gives you these big swaths of silence,

2143
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: of time to kind of be quiet. I mean, it's

2144
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: a tactical imperative right to actually be quiet and not

2145
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: scare your quarry away. I think being silent and having

2146
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: that time to think, it's just not something that a

2147
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 1: lot of people do. They're just filling that time with

2148
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: either drugs, alcohol, social media, watching TV, and and and

2149
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: so you kind of avoid these things that that folks

2150
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 1: from that era couldn't avoid. I mean, god, you know,

2151
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 1: guys like our founding fathers, they were at study like

2152
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: nine hours a day on top of like founding this country.

2153
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many people that aren't actually

2154
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 1: in school study much anymore. All the friends I know

2155
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: that I like to talk to our readers and that's

2156
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 1: where they're digesting information, taking this thing in. But the

2157
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: the pure silence that you get to experience hunting is

2158
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: another gift. I think you give yourself hands down, and

2159
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: even being silent with a buddy, you know, like being

2160
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: silent with the person you even like spending time and

2161
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: like talking to a campfire round. That's one of those

2162
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: unique things. I mean, I feel like if if you

2163
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: sat silently next to like somebody in a Starbucks without

2164
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 1: watching your cell phones at the same time, they think

2165
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: you are an f and lunatic, you know, whereas like

2166
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: you go with a hunting buddy, you could be quiet

2167
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 1: for four days and then just kind of like, well, okay,

2168
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: let's debrief now that we're out out of here. When

2169
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm on an airplane, um, I will judge in a

2170
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,799
Speaker 1: very negative way. Someone who sits down in their seat

2171
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: and reads the in flight magazine. Because I think, so

2172
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 1: you like you knew you were getting out a plane, right,

2173
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: you had no plan? You're like, I will I want

2174
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 1: to fill my brain. I have such low levels of discretion.

2175
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fill my brain with some product that's been

2176
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 1: placed here in anticipation of some dumb son of a

2177
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: bitch like me picking it up and looking at it

2178
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: like that's sort of how I envisioned my time. But

2179
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: a guy that could sit next to me, a person

2180
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: sits next to me in quiet contemplation of the plane ride.

2181
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: I look at him, I'm like, god, it, man, I wish,

2182
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I wish I could like find that. It can't you

2183
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: ed with like I need to be. If I see

2184
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: a guy played the video game, I judge him negatively too.

2185
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: But but a guy that just is like being, I'm like,

2186
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: what is that? Yeah? No, My bride showed me this

2187
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Facebook post the other day. That was just most of

2188
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: my Facebook I get from somebody else showing me something,

2189
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: but it was it was one of those that was

2190
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,600
Speaker 1: like this. This girl was saying I'm gonna butcher it.

2191
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,719
Speaker 1: But she says, I'm like I watched this guy walk

2192
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: into Starbucks today, orders coffee, sit down and just rank

2193
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: it like a fucking lunatic, because like you can't imagine

2194
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: what what what it would be like nobody's just sitting

2195
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: there drinking coffee, like thinking in themselves, sitting at baggage claim. Yeah, man,

2196
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: you used to sit at bagger's claim and just wait

2197
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: for your bags. Fun that now no one sits at

2198
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: baggage claiming. You think it was like, yeah, you get

2199
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: your bag, you get the baggage claim, you pull on

2200
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: your phone. Yeah, you feel every second security security is

2201
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna come get you. I think it was like a

2202
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: psychopath drank his coffee like a psychopath, like not saying

2203
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 1: anything because it's true. It's true. Yeah, And that that

2204
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: same quality is something that we find very valuable up

2205
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: on the mountain, right, Yeah, six words exchange the entire day.

2206
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: I think. I think also to hunting in in the

2207
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: military and combat, it is very much the same. It's

2208
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: not inappropriate to like draw tremendous parallels because the other

2209
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: thing too about that silence is it's it's not just

2210
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 1: silence because you don't have any to say. It's a

2211
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: choice that you know, the language of what you're doing

2212
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: out there, so you don't need to say. I mean,

2213
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 1: the best thing about me getting around seal teammates in

2214
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: mind is is there's just there's actually a little that

2215
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: needs to be said. With those guys, we know, like

2216
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 1: we know, we just know what we're thinking. I know

2217
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: what my buddy Sonny is thinking before he says something.

2218
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 1: And if and if some I mean, if we're at

2219
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: a barbecue joint in you know, Louisiana and something went down,

2220
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: I know exactly what Sonny he's gonna do. He knows

2221
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. We know how we're gonna survive

2222
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 1: that moment. If he did something I didn't expect, I'd

2223
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 1: probably know why that was coming around, how to react

2224
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 1: to that. And that's the same thing with with with

2225
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: hunting and with hunting buddies and and and kind of

2226
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: teammates out there is is the same thing. You know,

2227
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: and you watch, you know, you watch you guys on

2228
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 1: the show or you watch you watch folks that know

2229
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and they can kind of, you know,

2230
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: even through just like mind melding, like okay, I'm going

2231
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: this way. And sometimes it's some hand singles, but in

2232
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: general I bet if cal went around the corner, you'd

2233
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:53,919
Speaker 1: have a pretty good sense. We do. But it's awesome

2234
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 1: the way, like a yeah, the way when you host

2235
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: them a lot, they kind of veer off. You're like, oh,

2236
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: he's yeah, I know he's he's gonna wander back up

2237
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: this way, like I know what he's doing. You know,

2238
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 1: there's a gem. There's kind of a gem of a

2239
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: moment hidden in the movie Read Dawn, which is a

2240
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: very influential movie for us as kids, where one of

2241
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 1: the guys goes among the other guys and he's just

2242
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 1: sitting on a mountain like surveying the landscape. Ok, this

2243
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: is Swazy Red Dog, and it's just this beautiful mountain.

2244
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: And one of the guys comes up to the other

2245
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: one and the ones whispering. You're guys, like, why are

2246
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: you whispering? It's just kind of like why do you feel?

2247
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: Like why do some people know that you whisper on

2248
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: a mountain and some people don't. My brother took his

2249
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: little daughter caribou hunting, and um, yeah, I think she

2250
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: was ten when she went took a caribou hunting. And

2251
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: he gets back, I'm like, how'd it go? He goes.

2252
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, uh, knowing that you whisper when

2253
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: there's an animal real close. Apparently it's not like innate.

2254
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Apparently that's a learned thing. Because a caribou rolled up

2255
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: and she was like, hey Dad, He's like, whoa, it's

2256
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: whispers So cal you got any uh what's on your mind?

2257
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: Concluders picture little picture? Well, I think it would be

2258
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: important just this conversation has been so much about like

2259
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 1: high high level, elite performing folks. But you know, I

2260
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:27,480
Speaker 1: definitely think a lot on on the physical mental things,

2261
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: like it can always be learned. I I think and

2262
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: I think about that hunt that we did with Helen

2263
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: and Brittany. You know, when Helen and I fished earlier

2264
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: that year, she couldn't hardly walk across the river rocks

2265
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,719
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, is there something

2266
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: physically wrong here? She's like, listen, you do this all

2267
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 1: the time. I walk on pavement all the time, right,

2268
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: And that was it. But then a couple of months later,

2269
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, they put up with the lot of mental ship.

2270
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, that was a mentally tough, tough hunt as

2271
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: well as being physically way out of the you know,

2272
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: your normal stuff. That you're exposed to every day, and

2273
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 1: you know, we saw some major, major growth and real

2274
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: toughness and that week, right, But then you're coming with

2275
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: people who are already you know, stellar individuals. You know,

2276
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:32,799
Speaker 1: like if I had questions about them, you know, about

2277
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 1: their like what makes them up, what was in their heart?

2278
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't wanted to get into that situation. Not that

2279
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: I haven't, but in that's that I guess, not that

2280
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: I have done that. I have had questions about what

2281
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 1: people are made of and then brought them into situations

2282
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: where you could anticipate them failing and watch that happen.

2283
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: But with those guys, it's like, you know, they were

2284
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: like kinda hungry and ready for a challenge. Yeah, but

2285
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: it was it's just you watch it happen. You also

2286
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:05,400
Speaker 1: watch you go like, should I start complaining now or not?

2287
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Because it's fun to complain. Oh, absolutely, everybody likes that's

2288
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,799
Speaker 1: that's commiserating. Some guys are good at it and it's funny.

2289
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Some guys do it and you're like, shut the fun

2290
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, bud, take a look around. Everybody's wet.

2291
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Okay you honest, um, I was gonna ask for your

2292
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,600
Speaker 1: time about like getting your spot at the table. Um,

2293
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on the whole like public

2294
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,719
Speaker 1: lands thing, like if you are you up to speed

2295
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: on that whole like the possible Yeah, I mean I don't.

2296
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 1: I definitely will not speak to it on the level

2297
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: that I feel like you guys understand it. But I

2298
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: mean my sense is giving public lands or federal lands

2299
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: back to state sounds like about the worst idea we've

2300
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 1: come up with and forever, because in general, you have like,

2301
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: do you have a pretty good outlook on just like

2302
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 1: how like the federal government run and like not just

2303
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:03,760
Speaker 1: what you were involved in, but the whole country, because

2304
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, well, how can you

2305
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 1: let the Feds run your land in Montana? You know,

2306
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: the way I look at the government is is the

2307
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 1: least amount they can do, the better. So there's very

2308
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 1: little I want from the government. But there are a

2309
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: couple you know, non negotiables that I think they do

2310
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: exceeding the welst security running the military security, yeah, running

2311
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: security in the military, and monetary policy that goes worldwide

2312
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: and how that you know affects your daily you know,

2313
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 1: bank accounting and ability to pursue um, excellence. It strikes

2314
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: me that the system of them, you know, holding on

2315
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: those lands to where if I, if I understand it right,

2316
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: if if states all of a sudden own those things

2317
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 1: and it goes onto their balance sheet, and now all

2318
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're running their state like a business

2319
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 1: and you can sell that to China to keep yourself good.

2320
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 1: That's that's bad business. But I can't talk into in

2321
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: a great, great detail, but I'll listen to you guys

2322
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: and what you have to say about it. You know,

2323
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 1: one thing that we didn't talk about that I've forgotten.

2324
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: I feel like we should have talked perfect um is

2325
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like you're supposed to like

2326
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: do a synopsis of what you said, But I'll broach

2327
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:12,639
Speaker 1: just a subject that I think apply so much from military,

2328
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 1: particularly in what we do in the seals and to hunting.

2329
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: You feel it right now, you're supposed to do a synopsis,

2330
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: know when you finish like what you're saying that, like

2331
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 1: you come up with some like this is what we

2332
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: talked about, okay, perfect Yeah, you talk about whatever you

2333
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: want about your favorite kind of pop yep I love,

2334
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: okay um is the idea of training and when it

2335
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 1: comes to hunting, how much I'm realized again when I'm

2336
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: talking to people that are all on the microphone right now,

2337
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,759
Speaker 1: this doesn't apply because you guys realize the training should

2338
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: be purposeful and it should be realistic, authentic to what

2339
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna go do. I think there are a lot

2340
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: of people in hunting that don't realize you should be

2341
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: training in a very purposeful way for what you're gonna

2342
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: go do. You know, for me, like when we the

2343
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: very first time I got into a gunfight, the very

2344
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 1: first time I shot a bad guy. And I won't

2345
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 1: talk about the details of how many people have shot

2346
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: how it works, but like the very first time a

2347
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: bad guy popped up with an a K forty seven

2348
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 1: started shooting at me, and I shot at him and

2349
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: won that engaged engagement. It was very mechanical and as

2350
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: if I had done it a thousand times, because I'd

2351
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: done it about fifty thousand times in training. They the

2352
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 1: training we do in the Seal teams is so visceral

2353
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: and real that we make it like we don't shoot

2354
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: a big circle targets. We shoot at human silhouettes because

2355
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna see on the battlefield, so you

2356
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of practice and identifying your target and

2357
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: making that very real. And you know, before we run

2358
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: into a house and blow the doors off at hinges,

2359
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,639
Speaker 1: well everybody will do like fifty burpees or fifty push

2360
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: ups in some squads. So your heart rate is going

2361
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: through the roof. Now get the door and go in,

2362
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 1: because you're gonna shoot differently when your heart's pounding compared

2363
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: to when you're sitting on a bench rest taking a shot.

2364
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: So my recommendation to hunters in particular, no matter what

2365
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: they're hunting with, what weapons is, and whatever it is,

2366
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 1: make your training purposeful. You know, you can be at arrange.

2367
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 1: It's it's nothing to go out and do ten squats,

2368
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: do ten burpies, get your heart rate going. Now get

2369
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,879
Speaker 1: back on the gun and look how different that optic

2370
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 1: now looks when when you're rested and comfortable. Because when

2371
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: you happen to be in the Grand Titons or like

2372
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere running around in Idaho or the Rocky

2373
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,639
Speaker 1: Mountains in particular, like when you came from sea level

2374
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 1: and you go shooting up a little draw to find

2375
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: that trophy, You're not gonna be a bench rest situation

2376
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: in that moment and practice shooting shringing it up, because

2377
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:29,719
Speaker 1: when I'm shooting, like a lot of my shooting comes

2378
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,719
Speaker 1: down to me trying to shrink from a bench, trying

2379
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 1: to like shrink that that five shot group. Yep, down, down, down,

2380
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: No now. But I haven't live a life. I get

2381
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: to do a lot of real world hunting, so I

2382
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of like I practice by doing. But yeah, I

2383
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: think that if you we're just in the head, like, yeah,

2384
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hunt. So I'm gonna go sit at

2385
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: a bench and just shoot ship loads around at a

2386
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 1: paper target and just in my and just get that

2387
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: group showing down. It really has like you know, I've

2388
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: seen a lot of game Get. I've seen a lot

2389
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 1: of game Fall. I've seen a lot of game Get shot,

2390
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:09,839
Speaker 1: and it's typically not like that. That's right, different angles,

2391
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: high angle, low angle, different ways you're gonna hold that rifle,

2392
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: different angles, you're gonna be up on that optic, you know,

2393
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: how you get that that gun level exactly, exactly exactly

2394
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff, um, you know, and be ready. I

2395
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: mean the hunting partner I have back in Colorado, he's

2396
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,639
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's like a Billy goat. He can run.

2397
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: He's he's fitter than I am, and I like that

2398
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: because we can go hard. But I'm like, I'm gonna

2399
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: take my diet seriously this summer. So we go running

2400
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: up into the rocky mountains. Man, I can crank, you know,

2401
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 1: And so you gotta. If you don't take that seriously,

2402
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: I think you're being disrespectful to yourself and you're also

2403
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna just degrade your ability to have success. Whereas the

2404
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 1: guys I think could put again end gals that put

2405
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: in the training to make it real so that when

2406
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 1: they show up that moment, it's not the first time,

2407
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: they're prepped for it and and can be like, Okay,

2408
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I know I actually where I'm setting. I can use

2409
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: my foot to balance, you know, the mother of this

2410
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 1: gun because there's not a perfect V and a sage

2411
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: brush here. I need that to get this shot off.

2412
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: You do yourself a huge service doing so. Yeah, you

2413
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 1: gotta talks a lot about walk through the woods shooting

2414
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: stumps with his bow. The stump shooting, you know, which

2415
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: is different than when I shoot my boat was just

2416
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 1: generally like in my yard, flinging arrows, like between the

2417
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 1: house and the fence. Well yeah, stump shooting just jump

2418
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: in real quick is I think quite valuable because it

2419
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: forces you to pick a spot whereas amorphous blob. Yeah,

2420
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: and on a target, there's so many spots like right

2421
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: there for you. Um yeah, yeah, because that's the thing.

2422
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 1: Man was like, Uh in reviewing, you know, I've messed

2423
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: up a lot of bow shots. But as much as

2424
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 1: you go to shoot at elk with your bow. Uh,

2425
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: And then you review the not the not the not

2426
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: footage like where we're thinking of when we talk about filming,

2427
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: you review your mental picture. Sometimes you don't have a

2428
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: clear mental you don't have a clear recollection of what

2429
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: just occurred. But sometimes you're like gifted this, Like I

2430
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: remember exactly what I was thinking and what I was

2431
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 1: looking at, And what I remember is all I saw

2432
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: was elk and I don't let the arrow fly right.

2433
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: And you're not going like, oh, a little tough to hair.

2434
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 1: I like that little tough to hair right there. You know,

2435
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: you're just like ribs shoot yea, and then bad stuff occurs.

2436
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,280
Speaker 1: Bad stuff occurs because the same way you might miss

2437
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 1: that little tough to hair. Uh, if it's just the

2438
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: whole ribs, you might just miss the whole ribs and

2439
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 1: you learn your gear too. You know a lot of

2440
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 1: people own gear. They spend a ton of money on

2441
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 1: a beautiful optic and they don't know how to use it.

2442
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: They just haven't putting that time. They're like they don't

2443
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: know what that turret does. They don't know what you know,

2444
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 1: the different systems on there, and like you can't be

2445
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 1: wanting for that in the moment when things are happening

2446
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 1: fast and you don't know what to come off safe

2447
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: right now, you don't know to be like I mean,

2448
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 1: it's just that's all stuff to be practicing in almost

2449
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 1: exhaustive repetition. So when you are fired up and see elk,

2450
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 1: like you said, you can zero in and do what

2451
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: it takes to you know, take that home. I would

2452
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: say that's like very complicated end of the gear spectrum.

2453
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: Like there are so many people I see that literally

2454
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: don't know how their boots really work, Like, oh, well,

2455
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 1: that thing really pinches my lass, So I just skipped

2456
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 1: that one, you know, Like it's it amazes man. So

2457
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: many folks are there. They let kind of the bravado

2458
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 1: or the excitement lead the way before they slow down

2459
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 1: and go boy, I should probably figure probably should have

2460
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: figured out this pack before a couple hundred pounds of

2461
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: meat on the ground. You always gotta be aware of

2462
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 1: the dude that like is getting at the trail head

2463
01:57:53,960 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 1: tearing tags off his stuff. Well, how's the sigwork? Uh?

2464
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 1: That's that was another great I don't think we actually

2465
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: named it as a parallel, but it is a good parallel,

2466
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: is the Uh you said that one guy's chiseled like

2467
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 1: Michael Angelo drew him, and then you got that kind

2468
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 1: of pudgy kid from the farm and he outperforms that guy.

2469
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that going on that we see.

2470
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: The dude just rolls in. You're like, man, that's a

2471
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: good look at something right there. But he can't hike.

2472
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 1: You know what. I remember this cartoon. I played paintball

2473
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 1: a little bit when I was in high school, and

2474
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: paintball was like first kind of coming out. My mom

2475
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: thought for sure, like paintball was gonna lead me to

2476
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 1: like become a mascular So she stopped it and I

2477
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: was like, well, you didn't see the you didn't see

2478
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 1: the finish line because I actually ended up, you know,

2479
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 1: going the full Monty with this uh you know, force

2480
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: on Force competition. But I remember a buddy of mine

2481
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: like gave me like that a paintball magazine. It's one

2482
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: of my favorite cartoons I ever saw drawn. But everyone

2483
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 1: that's a hunter will know exactly what I'm talking about.

2484
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:00,000
Speaker 1: The magazine had a cartoon that showed a paintballer, right

2485
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: and like the the progression of a paint ball So

2486
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 1: it had the beginner and the beginners and like a

2487
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 1: pair of jeans, you know, decent pair of boots and

2488
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: like a T shirt and like you know, a paintball

2489
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:12,960
Speaker 1: gun but just kind of looks like a rookie. And

2490
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 1: then the you know, the the intermediate has like a

2491
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: bunch of like cooler stuff, a better upgraded gun and

2492
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: like a little more cammy than the advanced or expert

2493
01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 1: was like just ninja it out right, full gilly suit,

2494
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 1: the like best high pressure gun there is. And then

2495
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 1: it said master. It was the same picture as the

2496
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 1: beginning because he just doesn't need all that extra stuff,

2497
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, He's just like got the goods. And it

2498
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: was totally true. And I remembered that as like when

2499
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 1: I went into the Seals, I was like, yeah, I

2500
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: don't need all the ninja out stuff my skills right exactly. Yeah,

2501
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: like he went through everything, came up ther side and

2502
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 1: blue jeans and like some tennis shoes. It was walking

2503
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:57,160
Speaker 1: around up there. It's awesome, yeah for sure. Alright, man, K,

2504
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Thanks for having they hit the hit.

2505
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: The book titles one mort uh uh damn Few, Making

2506
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:05,320
Speaker 1: the modern Civil Warrior and worth dying for Navy Seals.

2507
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Call to a nation, or call Rourke for some consultant.

2508
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 1: Boom you do, marriage, marriage consulting my bride and I've

2509
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 1: been talking about that a little bit. All right, thanks man,

2510
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Thanks brother,