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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt Beautiful Monday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: We're back at it here. We'll be here Monday, Wednesday Friday.

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Speaker 2: This week back to being a normal type situation here

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Speaker 2: for us as the Steelers push their way through and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the nfls as well, push their way

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Speaker 2: through their OTA sessions. Big news, Big this morning.

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Speaker 3: Jefferson, Jefferson, Yeah, tackle by Jefferson, Tackle by Jefferson, by Jefferson, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Mary Allen, Yeah, dying.

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Speaker 3: Neither's fifty two. Fifty two Yeah, year old. He's like

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Speaker 3: our age basically. But anyway, huge Jefferson. Like I've been

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Speaker 3: talking a lot about this on other podcasts. It's really

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Speaker 3: only been the kind of all these receiver signings have

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Speaker 3: really only been They've dominated the news the last five

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Speaker 3: to ten days or so, you know, and they start

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Speaker 3: to one follows the other follows the other, and I

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Speaker 3: kind of thought Jefferson would be smart to be last,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like I'm gonna be the biggest dog. I've

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Speaker 3: let all these guys bit each other up and then

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Speaker 3: I'll go over all of them. But they put that

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Speaker 3: contract in front of you with much guaranteed money as

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Speaker 3: he got.

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Speaker 2: I mean from him from the next lowest contract to his.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty substantial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the Niners with Ayuk and the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys with Lamb probably regretting not doing something a little sooner.

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Speaker 3: I mean, timing has so much to do with these things.

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Speaker 3: But they're all gonna get paid big money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, he's now the highest paid non position

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Speaker 2: player or non quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 3: I think he should be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like that's arguing. It's always debatable. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: you weigh one position in the NFL versus another outside

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Speaker 2: of the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, say one quarterback, Like I think Sool's

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Speaker 3: the highest paid tackle? Which it? And actually I'm going

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Speaker 3: to rephrase that, like, who's the most valuable NFL player

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Speaker 3: accounting for age position they play that doesn't play quarterback? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's so Maybe it's Micah Parsons, he's a little

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Speaker 3: younger than the Garretts and Watts. Maybe it's Jefferson, But

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Speaker 3: he's in the equation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know that's the that's the beauty of of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Like in Major League Baseball, I can look at, well,

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Speaker 2: these guys are hitters. Yeah, I bet regardless of what

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Speaker 2: position you play on the field. You know, if you're

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Speaker 2: a great hitter, whether you're a shortstop or a left

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Speaker 2: field or right doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The payments the payment. If you were in basketball, well

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Speaker 2: I put the I put the ball in the basket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm the best six man or rebounder.

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Speaker 2: Rebound on the best score I defend. Well, okay, well

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Speaker 2: we'll pay you football, the left tackle does a completely

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Speaker 2: different job than your cornerback.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually shocked baseball a lot more like that, Like

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Speaker 3: he's the eighteenth paid shortstop. Maybe, I mean, I would.

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Speaker 2: Think, because it really doesn't because guys, can you see

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Speaker 2: guys switch. I'm watching the other night, I'm watching they

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Speaker 2: re showed John candelarias no hitter that he threw back

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Speaker 2: in seventy six against the Dodgers. And I'm watching the

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Speaker 2: game and Davy Lops is in center field for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Davy Loops is a second baseman.

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Speaker 3: Say he's in the middle infielder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, but he's in center field for that

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Speaker 2: game because like you can move around in baseball and

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You don't see your left tackle's not going

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Speaker 2: to go play cornerback, right, or you get really low

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Speaker 2: In your head, you Michael Parsons isn't going to jump

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Speaker 2: out and play you know, offensive tackle, right right right?

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Speaker 3: That is interesting. And plus I guess in baseball too,

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Speaker 3: some shortstops hit eight, some hit first, some hit third,

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Speaker 2: A Rod was not the same as Smith, right.

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Speaker 2: That's the interesting part about the NFL is how the

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Speaker 2: how they the positions get paid.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talk about all the time with the

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Speaker 3: Maybe they should be, maybe they should be higher. Right,

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Speaker 3: And then this positionless football stuff is Jimmy Graham, A

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Speaker 2: C If you remember when when Bud Dupree appealed to

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Speaker 3: He had a legit beef. Yeah. I mean he does

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Speaker 3: defensive end stuff more than he did, you know, quote

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Speaker 3: outside linebacker stuff. You know. So it is a little

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Speaker 3: fog year. And there's also twenty two guys on the

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Speaker 2: But this sets the bar the market now the bar

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Speaker 2: moving forward. And you know for all the people talking

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Speaker 2: about the Steelers, well they need to trade Brandon Nayuk.

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Speaker 2: We're talking thirty million. I don't know if I want

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Speaker 2: to trade for Brandon Ayuk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is people talking about the Steelers trading

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Speaker 2: for Brandon Ayuk and then saying, well, he'd be their

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Speaker 2: number two receiver. No, you're not paying your number two

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Speaker 3: I also disagree. I think he'd be the he would

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Speaker 3: be the one, right. I think he's a more developed

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Speaker 2: That's why when we're talking about this, I'm thinking, you know,

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Speaker 2: some give me something a little more realistic, like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's a number two. That's a number two, or yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean and those guys. I mean the cost is

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Speaker 2: I mean think but people two years ago, people were

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Speaker 2: complaining about the Deontay Johnson contract.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it happens every year.

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Speaker 2: It's less than half of what Jefferson just got.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I don't think. I don't think anybody's going to

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Speaker 2: Lamb might be able to Lamb. I think he might

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Speaker 3: Maybe I wouldn't. I think Jefferson's worth more than Lamb.

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Speaker 3: But I think Lamb has looked at like the Saint

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Speaker 3: And now he looks at this one and goes, what

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Speaker 3: if I'm a million less, that's probably better than what

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Speaker 3: I came to the table with Originally.

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Speaker 2: Players don't look at it that way though, No, I

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Speaker 2: know they wouldn't be the one everybody wants to be

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Speaker 2: the number one contract, But you think Jamar Chase is

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Speaker 2: going to take less than Chase is.

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Speaker 3: The one that I keep thinking about because I think

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Speaker 3: I bet you could get Auk.

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Speaker 2: Bengals are not happy today.

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Speaker 3: No, Bengals aren't happy at all because inflation is only

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Speaker 3: going to go up to I think you can get

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Speaker 3: ayuk At like Saint Brown prices probably. Yeah, I mean he's.

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Speaker 2: A better I think he's a better overall player than

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Speaker 3: Better route runner, more on his own stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agree, Saint Brown is very valuable to what the

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, sure.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other part of the equation that you

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Speaker 2: How important is the player to his particular team?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely do we scheme this guy up? Is? Can

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Speaker 3: I find other people to do something similar? Right?

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Speaker 2: Which is where Lamb might have an argument.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that he You know, I'm a focal point

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Speaker 2: I'm you're justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Even more so than maybe an AJ Brown. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean I'm your number one guy. I make people around

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Speaker 3: me better. Lamb's a very happy guy, as will Chase

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Speaker 3: be as your point, because I think Higgins isn't going

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Speaker 3: to get traded. I mean, doing business with the Brown

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Speaker 3: families difficult. He's not going to get what he wants

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Speaker 3: this year. But he's gonna hit the open mark. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna hit the open mark. They'd be really happy.

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Speaker 2: The problem that Cincinnati has right now is that he's

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Speaker 2: he could pull a Levy on Bell.

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Speaker 2: He could because the thing that the thing with him,

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Speaker 2: with this. He missed time with injury last year. He

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Speaker 2: to risk injury going out and having another injury riddled season.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come in and play the last seven

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Speaker 3: And he wouldn't kill him financially, No, I mean it wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: But because he'll still be a twenty five year old

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Speaker 2: receiver hitting the open market. Yeah, if he comes out

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Speaker 2: in the last seven games of the year and plays, well, yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: look I'm healthy this is what I did, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I could blame him.

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Speaker 3: I mean either, I mean, these are big money, these

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Speaker 3: are generational altering decisions. I mean, for the Higgins fails

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Speaker 3: years ago, life changing money. Absolutely, and I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's as much of a case with Lamb and Ayuk.

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Speaker 3: They're in different shoes. But it also worries me week

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Speaker 3: eleven Higgins has an ankle or a hammy, and like,

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Speaker 3: do I really want to go out there today and

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Speaker 3: put bad tape out there like I did last year?

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Speaker 3: I mean, to your point, because if he hits the

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Speaker 3: open market flat out, he's getting thirty. He's gonna get thirty,

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Speaker 3: which is probably an overpay. He's not quite to those

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Speaker 3: I don't think the thirty, but they could go get

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Speaker 3: a guy like him. I mean, but then Chase goes.

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Speaker 3: My buddy's got thirty on the open market and Jefferson got.

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Speaker 2: Were chasing Jefferson played together. They're tight.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you talking about else now?

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Speaker 2: Now you're talking about the you know, the one up upsmanship.

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Speaker 2: He could actually you got thirty, you got thirty five.

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Speaker 2: I went thirty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's probably the only one that could when

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Speaker 3: you factor in age and all that too. So real quick,

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Speaker 3: I just happened to see this. I think Bill barn

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Speaker 3: will put it out that, yes, the numbers sound blow

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Speaker 3: you away like Jefferson, and they are they're I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're are shattering numbers, but in terms of percentage of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the career path Jefferson's on. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: no one started their career better than him, so that's

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Speaker 2: True, but that's why you drafted Addison year to be

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Speaker 3: he's worth it, and he's hasn't hit the prime of

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Speaker 3: Think more often than not, the quarterback makes the receiver.

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Speaker 3: And there's no question in my mind about that. It

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Speaker 3: You know they're happy with him, and and your point,

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Speaker 3: he's a great contract, and I think he's up after

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Speaker 2: He's up after this year.

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Speaker 3: Was he healthy? Left trying to think with his he.

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Speaker 2: The only way it would make sense for them now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's why that doesn't necessarily make a whole

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more what you're looking for, you know.

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Speaker 3: Last okay, and they were Pickings.

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Speaker 3: I mean tens of ton tens of big numbers, a

438
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Speaker 3: big number. I'm not saying that's the over under, but

439
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Speaker 3: that's encouraging for eight and a half, I'm going, oh,

440
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Speaker 3: go over yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's something that's been

441
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Speaker 3: missing obviously lately.

442
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Speaker 2: There's red zone scores again. Russell Wilson had twenty of

443
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Speaker 2: them last year. Yeah, it's a lot twenty red zone

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Speaker 2: touchdown general. Yeah, So let's get to a break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit more wide receivers when you come back.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lollie. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. And Matt, we were just talking about the

455
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Speaker 2: wide receiver contracts. Pro Football Focus has been rolling out

456
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Speaker 2: some position rankings. Yeah, they have here a touch basically

457
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Speaker 2: a top thirty two at each position across the league here.

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Speaker 2: So I thought we'd take a look at their wide

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Speaker 2: receiver rankings here.

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Speaker 3: It's an impressive list. I mean, it really is. It'd

461
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Speaker 3: be hard for me to cut down number twelve versus

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Speaker 3: number sixteen. I mean, there's a lot of good receivers

463
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Speaker 3: in the league, but in a role from what thirty

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Speaker 3: two on up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do thirty two on up. So number thirty

466
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Speaker 2: two is t Higgins, who we just talked about games

467
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Speaker 2: the last season.

468
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Speaker 3: Wasn't flattering, but I mean, if it was a reasonable

469
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Speaker 3: price and Steelers signed him in the offseason, I'd be thrilled,

470
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think he's a really

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Speaker 3: good player. And yes he's a number two, but he's

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Speaker 3: a two.

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Speaker 2: Pie's a high end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you're real happy if that's your two,

475
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Speaker 3: and he'd be the one on a lot of teams

476
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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thirty one is Chris Godwin. We've talked about. We

478
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Speaker 2: talked about him as a potential trade target.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his contracts up after the year. They've you know,

480
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Speaker 3: gave Evans money. He's more slot, but he's tough, he's thick.

481
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Speaker 3: He hasn't been super dynamic lately, but he's not that old.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I still think he's got a lot of

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Speaker 3: football ahead of him.

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Speaker 2: Last season, only thirty seven percent of his snaps came

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Speaker 2: from the slot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he should be there more. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: To'll be honest. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Number thirty is George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's fair. Yeah, when you hear these

490
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Speaker 3: other names, folks, I don't think there'll be many you'd

491
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Speaker 3: put Pickens ahead of today.

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Speaker 2: Now now after this season, that could change.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I thought you could certainly take a jump into the

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Speaker 2: top twenty.

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Speaker 3: I thought he took a big jump from one year ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean if he could take another similar jump now

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Speaker 3: you're talking maybe top twelve, right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah at twenty nine. This is where I have a

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Speaker 2: problem with this roma Dunzi. I would even include how

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Speaker 2: do you put rookies in here ahead of some of

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Speaker 2: these more established guys?

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Speaker 3: See, this is more your bag, But I blame editors

504
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Speaker 3: for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're asking me to do a list,

507
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Speaker 3: how do I put Marvin Because Marvin Harrison's coming up,

508
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Speaker 3: Neighbors is coming up. If a dundays in there, I

509
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Speaker 3: adore them, but they're a different list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they you're telling me right now, if you offered

511
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Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, you gotta go win a game this week.

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Speaker 3: Right right, right? You hear today?

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Speaker 2: You can have t Higgins, Chris Goblin or George Pickens,

514
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Speaker 2: or you can have run with Dune. Right, they'd be

515
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Speaker 2: foolish to say we're going to take a done, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they would trade. They wouldn't have traded

517
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Speaker 3: the ninth pick overall straight up for those plays. Right,

518
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Speaker 3: different conversation, totally different conversation.

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Speaker 2: If we're talking about how good you are today, you

520
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Speaker 2: got to beat the Packers tomorrow, right for a chance

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Speaker 2: to go for a chance to go to the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: or a chance to go to the Super whatever it

523
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Speaker 2: may be. Of course, right, you've got to win this game. Yeah,

524
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Speaker 2: where everybody in the building's getting.

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Speaker 3: Fired exactly, and he doesn't know the checks yet or

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he's just new. So no, I don't

527
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Speaker 3: think you should have rookies on any of these lists,

528
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Speaker 3: but I get why people want him on there.

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Speaker 2: At twenty eight Michael Pittman.

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Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. I think Pittman's underrated. I know

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Speaker 3: he's not super dynamic, but he's a volume dude with

532
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Speaker 3: size and has some after the catch stuff. He's not

533
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Speaker 3: super splashy though.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven Chris Olave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I don't think his situations helped

536
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Speaker 3: him dramatically.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean you could make the same argument for Pickings.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean there's plenty. It's funny actually that a

539
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Speaker 3: lot of that class London a Lave Garrett Wilson Pickens

540
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Speaker 3: situation could be a little better, you know, really good class.

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Speaker 3: Though it's a really good class right.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six Strake London.

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Speaker 3: Okay, people bit my head off on a different podcast

544
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Speaker 3: because I think said London's a better player today than Pickens,

545
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Speaker 3: and I believe that. I think he's more refined. He's

546
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Speaker 3: the eighth pick in the draft. He's a really strong player,

547
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Speaker 3: eighth or ninth or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five my league neighbors. Again, I can't put those

549
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Speaker 2: guys ahead of the established guys. Twenty four Dk Metcalf, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean he is freaky. He's better on breaking than breaking

551
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Speaker 3: in and out of routes. And changing directions than I

552
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Speaker 3: thought he was coming out of school, and he doesn't

553
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Speaker 3: look like anybody else. But going forward, I know it's

554
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Speaker 3: obviously a different story. Some names we brought up I

555
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Speaker 3: would take ahead of me.

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Speaker 2: Calf, yeah, twenty three Jaylen Waddle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was pretty banged up last year and still

558
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Speaker 3: did quite well. I got no qualmns with that. But

559
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Speaker 3: these guys are all good though.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Two Keenan Allen, I still think so.

561
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Speaker 3: And he's got an old man's game. I don't think

562
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Speaker 3: he's gonna fall off quickly.

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Speaker 2: He had almost twelve hundred and fifty yards and thirteen

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Speaker 2: games last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a ton I mean him and Evans, he

566
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Speaker 3: just produces, keep coming and just produce, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty one Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Junior, the same conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty Mike Evans, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just brought him up, but he had an awesome year.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember in fantasy last year I was

572
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Speaker 3: guilty of this. I'm like, who's this Baker Mayfield? Dude.

573
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Speaker 3: I mean like at this time last year, the quarterback

574
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Speaker 3: looked terrible. Evans looked, you know, like could be hitting

575
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Speaker 3: the wall. He was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen Murray Cooper, I get it. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I can put Amary Cooper ahead of like Mike Evans

578
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Speaker 2: or Keenan Allen.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't. He doesn't say the exact same thing. I

580
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: think he's very well rounded. I don't see obvious weaknesses.

581
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Speaker 2: He's a good player. I don't think he's a great player.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's got to blow your doors off

583
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Speaker 3: strengths either. I'm a little hard on him at times,

584
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Speaker 3: but I mean he's I would rather play against him

585
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Speaker 3: than Evans.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen is Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 3: He's another one with me. I think has been very underrated,

588
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Speaker 3: has not been in a great situation. But you wonder

589
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Speaker 3: has is he now in the back? Nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seventeen is DeAndre Hopkins. M I can't put him

591
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Speaker 2: that high.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a declining player too, for sure. I

594
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Speaker 2: mean he also has an old man game. He's never

595
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Speaker 2: been a separator. But like Alan Evans, Hopkins are all

596
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Speaker 2: about the same age. He would be third for me.

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Speaker 2: He would be third for me too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh Sixteen DeVante Smith.

600
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Speaker 3: You rat to play it, who's better Wadle or Smith? Hmmm,

601
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: it's really close.

602
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: It's really close and there their games are really similar.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're both undersize but great separators.

604
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: Smith's a great route runner. I was hard on him

605
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Speaker 3: coming out. I thought he was too little but too skinny.

606
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Speaker 3: The league doesn't feel that way anymore about guys.

607
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Speaker 2: I just don't know that if you took either, if

608
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Speaker 2: you took either one of those guys out of the

609
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: situations they're in now, are they ranked as highly as

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Speaker 2: they are if you ask them to be Terry McLaurin,

611
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Speaker 2: if you ask them to be the number one right

612
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Speaker 2: like they have not Like they get the opportunity because

613
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Speaker 2: you got Tyreek Hill and A. J. Brown on the

614
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Speaker 2: other side of them. Absolutely to get a lot of

615
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Speaker 2: single coverage.

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Speaker 3: They do, and they eat it up and they look

617
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Speaker 3: great doing it, and they're still ascending. So I think

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Speaker 3: the answer is maybe.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's a soft call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, if they had to deal

622
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Speaker 2: with the double teams all the time, would they be

623
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Speaker 2: as effective as they are?

624
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Speaker 3: Like mclaurin's life of the last three years a lot

625
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Speaker 3: more difficult, a lot more difficult. Right fifteen Collins, I'm

626
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Speaker 3: there with him. I mean, he was good player third

627
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: in round yards for route run last year. He's like

628
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 3: six ' four too. I mean he's not six to two,

629
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Speaker 3: he's six four fourteen. Garrett Wilson one hundred percent agree.

630
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Speaker 3: And I think he's one of the few in the

631
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Speaker 3: league that might be able to tap challenge like the

632
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Speaker 3: Jefferson chases for most expensive receiver when his time comes

633
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: type of guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he produced

634
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: with awful quarterback play last year.

635
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: This next one I have a little bit of an

636
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: issue with ahead of some of these other guys. Thirteen

637
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: is Pooka Nakula.

638
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Speaker 3: I do too.

639
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: I love him like he would be a great Steeler,

640
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: He'd be a great anything. He's not just McVeigh, but

641
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: he is. He the a thirteenth best receiver in the

642
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: league right now based off of a rookie season.

643
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: I don't think so. They do unique stuff with him,

644
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: like he plays fullback at times, like he blocks like

645
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: a full grown man. That being said, I think if

646
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: you asked Joey Porter Junior, would you rather following the

647
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: coup around all day or Waddle who's weight on the

648
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: list compared to him, I think he'd say Nakoula.

649
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twelve Djimore.

650
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: He's I always put him in McLaurin together. Up until now,

651
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: I have never really had quarterbacks. But when Moore got

652
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: in a better situation Chicago last year, really showed well, Yeah,

653
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: it might be a little high for me, but he's

654
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna fight you on that.

655
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Eleven Stefan Diggs, Yeah he's.

656
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: Gone the wrong way. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't

657
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: think he fell off a cliff like his numbers indicated

658
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: in the second half of the season. But I forget

659
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: who's said this. Somebody was a Bears reporter, somebody was

660
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: listening to that they kind of envisioned him. No, or

661
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: a Texans reporter that was kind of envisioning him much

662
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: like the Bears, that he's going to be the Keenan

663
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: Allen for Yeah, Keenan Allen with the Bears digs to

664
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: the Texans.

665
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that he has that in his game though.

666
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: I know. I don't think he's as route runnersh as

667
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: those guys. I think Tank Dell will have more five

668
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Fantasy points in him. I think he goo have more

669
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: Fantasy points in him, but he still does good stuff.

670
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: Ten is Deebo Samuel.

671
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: Not for everyone though, Yeah, I don't.

672
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: Know, I can put Deebo Samuel at ten.

673
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: No, I mean in terms of like you're gonna beat

674
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: me with comebacks and outs and fine tune routes. He's

675
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: like the bottom list. Yeah, you know, not these stinks

676
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: at it, but if the greatest ones out there, But.

677
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: He's like, he's tough to play against you, and there's

678
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: hard things that he does that are much different than

679
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: maybe any other receiver on this list.

680
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely in the league. Whoever's in charge of this list,

681
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: I bet if you get if you asked him who's

682
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: the hardest guy to rank, it would be Debo. But

683
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: he'd probably be like eighteenth through me. But if the.

684
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: Steelers trade for Debo in an hour from now, I'd

685
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: be like, I get it. Oh yeah, they talk a

686
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: little bit about him. Thirty two in the league. Yeah yeah, yeah,

687
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: Number nine Cooper Cup.

688
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm still there on that. I'd

689
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: have him ahead in the KUPA. But we thought the

690
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: coup was too high. Well he had, I mean won

691
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: the Triple Crown like two years ago though. Yeah, I

692
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: mean that's tough.

693
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: That's a tough one to matter.

694
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: A tough one too.

695
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Eight is Brandon Ayuk.

696
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: I think that's who he is. Yeah, yeah, I really do.

697
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: I mean I think like him and Nico showed that

698
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: they are big time number one receivers.

699
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Seven is a mon Ross Saint Brown.

700
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: The production's insane. Yeah, and he does have a little

701
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: heinz Ward to him. I mean, he would be adored here,

702
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: but he's helped by his situation.

703
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: Six is DeVante Adams.

704
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: I think he still has it. Yeah, I think the

705
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: world knows he's getting the ball and it doesn't matter.

706
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: Five aj Brown, Yeah, being strong, fast, and he developed

707
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: his game a lot in Philadelphia for ceed LAMB.

708
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

709
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: I mean he's probably the least explosive of the elite

710
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: guys in terms of just burst and coming out of

711
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: his breaks, but his body control is ridiculous.

712
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: He could attack all levels great after catch. Pretty good guy,

713
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: pretty good player.

714
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: Three is Jamar Chase.

715
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say the top two to meres of debate,

716
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: would Chase be your three? Probably?

717
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: I think probably two is Tyreek and then one is Jefferson,

718
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: And I.

719
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: Think you could fight those two. I think that's the

720
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: only one that challenges Jefferson. How good you are today?

721
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: Not their value in the league or contract to meet

722
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: Jefferson's one there because of age. But Tyreek's like one

723
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: of the hardest players in the league history to play against. Yeah,

724
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: and he's coming off like almost the two thousand six

725
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: yard season.

726
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking here, they've done this for a lot of

727
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: different positions.

728
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have.

729
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: Where did their running back rankings do? Because I won

730
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: the roll into those next year.

731
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: I would say that was one of their first ones.

732
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: So that's probably buried pretty deep and do that when

733
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: we come back.

734
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Well we got we got a little time. Yeah, but yeah,

735
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean those's uh, there's running are the the uh.

736
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: Receiver receivers? I mean, I bet there's a ton of

737
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: names we come up with. It just that they.

738
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: Didn't make the list that you look at and go,

739
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, so when you say a receiver, like again

740
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: going back to the Deontay Johnson.

741
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: So sad I bring up Deontay He's not far Oh

742
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: he's you.

743
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Know, he's he's not he should that was way too

744
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: much money for him. Well, I bet if you go

745
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: forty dp's on there.

746
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, especially over his last couple of years

747
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: and separation skills things like that. Yeah, I'm trying to

748
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: scam my head of who else could be in that neighborhood, Like,

749
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't think any of the Packers are worth it

750
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: being in there yet, or some of the other number

751
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: two's like Addison to me or not nearly Waddle or

752
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: DeVante Smith type guys. Yeah, but there's some There's some

753
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: age on that list too, which I think bodes well.

754
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: The Cups and Evans and Allen's and guys that can

755
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: fade away kind of slowly when which I'm sure people

756
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: like that are teams like the Vikings are looking at.

757
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 3: Like if I'm an investing in Jeff and injuries are

758
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: bound to come and his explosiveness is bound to lose

759
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: a little, he could still be highly effective Keenan Allen Diggs,

760
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: whatever type of role you know when he's five years from.

761
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Now let's go ahead and get to

762
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: a break here. We'll talk more about some of these

763
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: lists here as we get through the show here, but

764
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: some Steelers making each and every one of these lists.

765
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: Pretty much.

766
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: I've been paying attention to him, and yeah, there are

767
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: some relevant Steeler stuff at.

768
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: Every position, including two running backs on the list. Yes, yes, yes,

769
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about that. And when we come back. He

770
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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening

771
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

772
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

773
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

774
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

775
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

776
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: We are back. I am Dale Lallie. He is the

777
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and we're looking here at some PFF rankings.

778
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Let's do the offense today, Wednesday will do defense. Uh.

779
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: So we got the running back rankings. I don't know

780
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: if O line stuff's been out yet, though it has. Yeah,

781
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: done some stuff there too. Yeah, so let's take a

782
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 2: look here at the at these running rankings. Yeah, and

783
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: we'll go through these a little quit more quickly here.

784
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: So at thirty two, Zamir White.

785
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: Say, this list is gonna be a lot less impressive,

786
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: a lot less impressive than the wide receivers.

787
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: Without question. And he might be thirty two. I mean

788
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: he's a big mystery.

789
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 3: He got a what three or four game run there,

790
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: and he did well. He's got some ability.

791
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: One hundred and four carries for four hundred and fifty

792
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 2: one yards last year.

793
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean he's going to be. I mean, all

794
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: these guys be fantasy relevant, but I bet he's going

795
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: to be more relevant to people realize he looks like

796
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: he's the one with the Raiders, you know.

797
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see thirty one, the Gus Buss, Gus Edwards.

798
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: Good at what he does. I mean, it's not flashy.

799
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: He's a downhill, square, big body guy that runs hard

800
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: that if you block it for five, he gets six

801
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: if you play. I mean there's somebody said for that.

802
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be different for him though

803
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: this year. People who expect him like he's always been

804
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: like a five yards per carry guy. Yeah, yeah, because of.

805
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Lamar, because of Lamar and all that.

806
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: You have to be cognizant of Lamar taking off and

807
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: running bowl. Well, now he's going to be asked to

808
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: be a more conventional running back.

809
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: I think he's been three point nine yards.

810
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot less because there's not

811
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: gonna be the big games either.

812
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah right, No, I think that's who he is at thirty.

813
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: Devin Singletary, he's never been for me.

814
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: I just don't see any great trait, but he's a

815
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: solid all around player.

816
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: Nine hundred yards last year.

817
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: No, No, I know, he kind of does that every year.

818
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty nine Austin Ekelar.

819
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: He would have been like three a year ago, right,

820
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: and he looked pretty shot. Hopefully he can redeem himself,

821
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: but a lot of wear and tear. Yeah, yeah, it

822
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: might be done.

823
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Chewba Hubbard.

824
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: I was never a fan, like I didn't love him

825
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: coming out of school, but considering his circumstances and his

826
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: blocking last year, I thought he'd made the most of it.

827
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean nine two yards and five touchdowns on

828
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty eight carries.

829
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: All right, between him and Jonathan Brooks, I mean, that's

830
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: a like fine pairing.

831
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: He he was a much better running back than Miles Sanders.

832
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Sanders is still on the rock. About

833
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: to say that, I think Sanders on the roster, but

834
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: maybe not.

835
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Maybe not for long. Yeah. At twenty seven, Joe Mixon.

836
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: I think he's I think Houston's gonna regret trading something

837
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: for him is very little and signing him. Yeah, but

838
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: I bet he also puts up better numbers than what

839
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: just came out of my mouth, too, because he's in

840
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: a good situation, you know, and he.

841
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: Has done another thousand yard season. Last year he also

842
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: cut fifty two asses. It's not like he's garbage.

843
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I mean there was. You know, it's

844
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: a stint where he was one of the most talented guys.

845
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: Like we just we just talked about Devin Singletary. Devin

846
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: Singletary was Houston's running back. It's probably still last yet. Yeah,

847
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: so it is an upgrade. Yeah.

848
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: One note on Mixing that was very true with the

849
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: Bengals is protection is not his bag. Yeah, they don't

850
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: count they don't count on him for That's where the

851
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: p Ryans have been around for them and you know

852
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: twenty six for Sean White, Yeah, they used them. It's

853
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: kind of a canalist thing. I mean they threw to

854
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: the backs a lot lot. But he's a really good

855
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: receiving back and as another one I didn't love coming

856
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: out of school but just made the most of it.

857
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty five. Oh, it's a big fall for him.

858
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: Ramandre Stevenson.

859
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a supporter, though I don't think he had

860
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: much help at all. And it's a couple of injuries,

861
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah. Twenty four James Cook, Yeah, I mean

862
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: I think that they're drafting Ray Davis for a reason,

863
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: drafting Osiris Torrents for a reason. And they want to

864
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: run the ball downhill and I don't know if that's

865
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: Cook's game, but they also don't want to throw the

866
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: receivers as much as they used to, and it's cooking

867
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: Kincaid are going to catch a lot of balls, you know,

868
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: So he's got a good role there.

869
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: Twenty three David Montgomery.

870
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm perennially underrated, forgotten. I mean, if that's your

871
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: number two, I mean that's the backfield that could compete

872
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: with the Steelers for one two punch.

873
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Right twenty two nausea Harris, I get that he'd be

874
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: ahead of everyone listed for me.

875
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would have Warren ahead of him slightly,

876
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: and I know that he's coming up. But that doesn't

877
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: mean that Steelers value Warren more than Harris. He is, right.

878
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: Really, it's the it's the it's the Lions conversation again. Yeah, yeah,

879
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: one is more the receiving back and therefore, you know

880
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: he's out there on some third downs and things of

881
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: that nature. Doesn't see as many loaded boxes, but you

882
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: need those those two grinders to make that work.

883
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Montgomery got hurt tomorrow, they would be in

884
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: the market for a big back. It's not like, oh,

885
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: we'll give it all the Gibbs.

886
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna. They don't want to give Gibbs

887
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: three hundred touches.

888
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: No, No, it's quite working as it should right now

889
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: by design twenty one.

890
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, Oh, I don't see it anymore. Yeah, I

891
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: don't see it either. Like you mentioned, if you said

892
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: you can either have Alvin Kamara or Nausei Harris for

893
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season, I'm taking Najie Harris. I

894
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: mean I take I'm taking Dave Montgomery, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

895
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 3: And I thought he's a great player, and he caught

896
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: a lot of balls, but I think that's more car

897
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: just dumping it off. Yeah, taking chance.

898
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: I mean seventy five catches, but for four hundred and

899
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: sixty six yards they.

900
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Were all dump off. Ye tackled. I don't think he

901
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: makes I don't think he's hard to tackle a nim.

902
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are extended handoffs.

903
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

904
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: Uh. Twenty DeAndre Swift.

905
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what to think of him.

906
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

907
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: Some teams have gone our way to go get him.

908
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 3: I didn't understand why that was one of the bears

909
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: first priorities and free agencies, especially with the guys they

910
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: have who I thought are fine. But there's been stints

911
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: where you're like, boy, he could be really good. Yeah.

912
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: I thought he's gonna light it up with that Eagles

913
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: line and he was okay, But I mean, I'm not

914
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: sure what to do with him.

915
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Nineteen Jalm Warren.

916
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his extenuating numbers are pretty ridiculous. Yards

917
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: per route run and things like that, and you know,

918
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 3: explosive runs, all that tuff.

919
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he led he led the league in miss

920
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: tackles per attempt at yea zero point three to five.

921
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: He makes guys miss.

922
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Which is probably your best running back stat.

923
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: And but I don't know that he would do that.

924
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: If he gave him two hundred and fifty touches, who knows, right,

925
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: I would bet it would go down, right, I mean

926
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: it would go up. Uh eighteen. This is a tough

927
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: one to Devin a Chan.

928
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he changes games though.

929
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: He changes games, But can he stay on the field.

930
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the stay on the field.

931
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: Like I think they're well, I think they'd like him

932
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: to play all seventeen games. Well, they don't want him

933
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: missing half the season. That's when you trade up for

934
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: the Tennessee kid and you already have most or I

935
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: think they realize we have to keep him at ten

936
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: care a ten touches a game, Yeah, and he'll if

937
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: he's getting us six yards of carry, we're cool with that. Yeah.

938
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: I can't go up to fifteen per game, right, but

939
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: he's dangerous.

940
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: Seventeen James Connor had.

941
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 3: A really good year yah of quietly right.

942
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: And there are people out there who think listeners to

943
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: the show who think that we don't like James Connor.

944
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: No, that's not the case. He's exceeded my expectations as

945
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: a cardinal.

946
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: The thing that I don't like about James Connor's game

947
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: is that he can't consistently stay healthy.

948
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: Right.

949
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: It's gotten better, to his credit, and he has not

950
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: been on a loaded team.

951
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: He's had a really good career yep.

952
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: Sixteen Karen Williams, I get it.

953
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I mean he was super productive. I just think he's

954
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: special in any way. I mean, I don't think he's

955
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: a great athlete. He's tough and everybody loves him, but

956
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: he's smaller.

957
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: Fifteen Isaiah p Echo.

958
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: He's another one to me, like if you put Williams

959
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: or Pacheco on the car or on the Cardinals, Cardinals

960
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: a prety great example. He's talk about Connor. I don't

961
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: think it'd be close to what they do.

962
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you said, right now to the Steelers, you

963
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: can have Isaiah Pichecko for either one of their running backs,

964
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: straight up, I think they say no.

965
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: Same with Williams to me, yeah, I wouldn't make any

966
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: of those deals. I mean, I think Nausea or Warren

967
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: would light it up in those situations. Yeah.

968
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: I think he is a product of having Patrick Mahomes.

969
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: He's fast, I may get that, and he runs hard.

970
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: He's easy to like. No, I don't.

971
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't dislike him stink. But right fourteen is

972
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard. He'd be a tough rank for me, right yeah,

973
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: coming off of the season that he had.

974
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: His last month wasn't awful, but up till then was.

975
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were throwing the ball like crazy, like

976
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: he was not facing loaded boxes.

977
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: It's weird to me that the Titans picked him, and

978
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 3: I kind of think they'd go get a Dereck Henry clone.

979
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: But him and Spears are pretty darn redundant, right, and

980
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 3: spears might be better.

981
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've rather had spears right now.

982
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's yeah. Yeah, I mean the beginning of Pollard season.

983
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: Was rough thirteen Raheem Moster. I can't go there.

984
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: He's another one. To me, I'm not impressed with the player.

985
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: I would have Again, I'd have both Steeler running backs

986
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: ranked Dames Montgomery ranked ahead of him.

987
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: Yes, several names we've listed but have ahead of him.

988
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: I mean I think he's very straight linish. I'd have

989
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: a chan over him. Yeah. Yeah, Moster could handle more,

990
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: but I think he's very straight linish.

991
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Twelve Kenneth Walker, No, I'm on board with that.

992
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm a fan. Yeah, he's one I wish Sharbonne wasn't there.

993
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: I know he's never gonna be a great receiver Walker,

994
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: but if he could catch thirty or forty passes and

995
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: get a bumping snaphare, yeah, he's very good.

996
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: He's a special player, right, Like I traded steelerbacks him.

997
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: You know, I got a problem with this next one though.

998
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: Eleven is Travis ATM. Yeah, I think he's I think

999
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: he's highly overrated.

1000
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they treat him like a workhorse, which

1001
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: he shouldn't be. I'm not saying he should be a chain,

1002
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: but he should be closer to a chan than Dereck Henry.

1003
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: And they kind of treat him as a grinder. He's

1004
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: a vastly overrated receiver too.

1005
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he got off to a hot start

1006
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: last year and then the second half was not kind

1007
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: to him at all.

1008
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: I could see his career being like that. Yeah.

1009
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I think he just wears down because I don't think

1010
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: he's a guy that you want to give to one

1011
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touches too.

1012
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were really unhappy with Bigsby.

1013
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: He's like the exact opposite of Nausey. Nausey starts, starts slow,

1014
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: finishes strong atn I think starts fast because he's a speedback,

1015
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: but then is to wear.

1016
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: And tear builds up on Miami too. It'll be good weather,

1017
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: and then when things start to change and people were

1018
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: banged up and one of your wheels hurts, you know

1019
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it'd be great here in the Warren role. Well,

1020
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: he wouldn't catch a ball near as well as Warren.

1021
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: He wouldn't fit here very well at all, to be

1022
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: honest with you.

1023
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: Ten Josh Jacobs.

1024
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was very good last year. I've

1025
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: been a supporter like I was. Gave Gruden a hard

1026
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: time for never throwing in the ball. So I thought

1027
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: he's a really good receiver at Bama.

1028
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: But he is a workhorse. He is.

1029
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: I love his mentality. Yeah, I mean he goes out

1030
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: there no matter what.

1031
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: I got a broken hand, I'm gonna pay. Yeah, just

1032
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: legs bother me, it doesn't matter.

1033
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm playing.

1034
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: And that's kind of a Bama back thing.

1035
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: It is it is. I mean, you don't get on

1036
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: the field or staying.

1037
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: Right, you don't stay on the field. I got I

1038
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: got a little banged up here. Well, we got five

1039
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: guys sitting behind you that'll take your spot.

1040
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: All five stars. Yeah, I assume Aaron Jones is coming up,

1041
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: and I get that Jacobs is cheaper than Jones. From

1042
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: a packers perspective, I think Jones might be better.

1043
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, age wise, there's a difference.

1044
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: There is what you paid for it, right?

1045
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: Uh nine is Jumior Gibbs.

1046
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: Weapon If you just look at him like a not McCaffrey,

1047
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: No one's McCaffrey. But if you just look at him

1048
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: as all the stuff he can do for you you

1049
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 3: don't like playing it.

1050
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: He's a bigger version of of Chan, Yeah.

1051
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: More durable, probably better receiver. Yeah, I mean in terms

1052
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: of just route runner and you know the nuances of

1053
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: the position. Yeah, he's really good, but they use I'm right.

1054
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Eight is Aaron Jones.

1055
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I still think he has He's older than people think. Yeah,

1056
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: he's part of the equation.

1057
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: That's part of the equation. And he's had some trouble

1058
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: staying he had healthy.

1059
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: But in a rotation. I mean like if he was

1060
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: paired with nausey or you know, all these guys is back,

1061
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: it'd be ideal. Yeah.

1062
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: Uh. Seven is Brice Hall.

1063
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: I think he's one that could be one. Yeah, I

1064
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 3: mean if McCaffrey slips, I'm sure McCaffrey's won. I think

1065
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: Bjeon and BRICEE. Hall are the guys that could be

1066
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: the best back in the league.

1067
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: Six Saquon Barkley.

1068
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: He's earned that. Yeah, he's earned that. He's I mean,

1069
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: maybe he's slightly disappointing for the vast standards that people

1070
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 3: hold him to. Butt good career.

1071
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean he was their entire offense lint.

1072
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're blocking was as bad as anyone's

1073
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: the league too. Fivejeon Robinson agreed immense talents.

1074
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: Uh. Four This would have been a tough one for me.

1075
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, Yeah, I remember now what the top of

1076
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: this ranks looks like.

1077
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: He deserves it. I mean, the the.

1078
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: What you see on the when he's been on the

1079
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: field the last time we saw him, that's where he belongs. Yes,

1080
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: but we don't know if he's ever going to be

1081
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: that again, right.

1082
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: I bet he's not. But they also doubted him the

1083
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: last time he got hurt. He was a lot younger. Yeah,

1084
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you have to he needs mentioned.

1085
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: He's in the right.

1086
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: He's got to be on this list somewhere, But I

1087
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: don't know that he's going to be four ever again, right,

1088
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: I kind of have to see it at this point

1089
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: before I say, yeah, that's him.

1090
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean in terms of just handing them the football

1091
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: ball carriers, I think him and Henry have been the

1092
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: best in the last decade or so. Yeah, but what

1093
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: is he now? That's I don't end having to put

1094
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: him on the list.

1095
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: That's why teams don't want to pay that position. Yeah,

1096
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, because of the injury you know the kind

1097
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: of injury he suffered last year.

1098
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: And he took it, take a pay cut to go back, right,

1099
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: it's rough.

1100
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: Three Jonathan Taylor.

1101
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean stumbled a little last year and had

1102
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: a weird beginning. I mean that's when they were talking

1103
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: contract the time of year and then he get hurt

1104
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: or was he suspended or something.

1105
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: He had some injury stuff last year that.

1106
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: But he's still big, fast, wrong, you know, prototype, Yeah,

1107
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: good player. Yeah.

1108
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Two is Derrick Henry.

1109
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 3: His blocking was horrific and he's still put up tons

1110
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: of numbers against ten man boxes. Yeah. I mean I

1111
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: always say he's a fall off and he never ever does.

1112
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: And then one is McCaffrey.

1113
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Are those two Hall of famers like they're they're

1114
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: rushing numbers will never compare to emmett or Frankly right.

1115
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody's gonna for going to approach

1116
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: those numbers again.

1117
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: But no, but I think for their generation those two

1118
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: are yeah, yeah, as good as it gets.

1119
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think McCaffrey probably still has a little bit

1120
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: of work to do, and he's still young enough that

1121
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: he will do that. I think if Henry retired now,

1122
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer.

1123
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: I think he has three rushing championships the titles.

1124
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: If he retired now he's a Hall of Famer, I

1125
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: think so.

1126
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And MCCAFFREYU be a conversation. I mean, he's not

1127
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: quite the Faulk in lt Land, but those are those

1128
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: are the comps.

1129
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is, if you remember with Derrick Henry

1130
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: early in his career, he was sharing time with.

1131
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: Brown is those name?

1132
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: Uh no, it was oh God, the former Cowboys running back,

1133
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: Oh Murray Murray. Yeah, yeah, it could take him a

1134
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: while to get it. Took him a while to get there.

1135
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: And I just wonder if that influenced Arthur Smith a

1136
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: little bit because Arthur Smith was on that staff, he

1137
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: wasn't the OC at that point. I just wonder if

1138
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: that with Bijeon, if that kind of influenced him, like

1139
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to give this guy right out of

1140
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: the gate a ton.

1141
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Tyler Algier was not on this list,

1142
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: but he's a quality player.

1143
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: He could have been on this list.

1144
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: He's not far off. I mean, here's a lot of

1145
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: James Connor like trades to him. Yeah, I mean he's

1146
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: in probably last a while, and.

1147
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be one of those guys that if

1148
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: we had a top forty list, he's probably on here.

1149
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do think I think Smith even came

1150
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: out and said something like that, like we know that

1151
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: this a long season. These running backs have never done

1152
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: it the position. I understand, saving even more so than

1153
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: Porter and Jones and the ones like the Steelers.

1154
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: That.

1155
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing that you have to think

1156
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: about with rookie running backs, and it's very fan irrelevant,

1157
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: is are they proven in protection? Yeah?

1158
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: Can they protect?

1159
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1160
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Now you would think it or not. Derrick Henry size,

1161
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: he would be great in protection, but if he never

1162
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: did it at Alabama.

1163
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: I mean he wasn't even on the field on third downs. No,

1164
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: I mean and he still hardly is. Yeah, he's never

1165
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: been a pass catcher. Do you think he has a

1166
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: big year for the Ravens. I tend to think he will.

1167
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: I think he'll Yeah, I think he'll be fine because again,

1168
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: you have to be cognizant of of Lamar's running ability.

1169
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: I mean the Gus Edwards stuff we talked about. He'll

1170
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: do way better than Gus.

1171
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's for them. It's going to come down

1172
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: to can those guys can they both stay healthy. If

1173
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: they can't, then they get then they have issues.

1174
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: And I know both of us have some issues with

1175
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: the Ravens O line. But it's still better than one

1176
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: Henry ran behind last year. I mean, he's going to

1177
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: see less loaded box as you will. Yeah, you know,

1178
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: and they still think he can break long runs and

1179
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of famer. Yeah.

1180
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well that's the running back rankings from Pro Football Focus.

1181
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: We'll continue to look at some of these offensive positions here.

1182
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: But tohel on the list of the top thirty two running.

1183
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: Backs, Detroit and Miami the the only ones with multiples. Yeah, yeah,

1184
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: that sounds right.

1185
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would certainly take.

1186
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: They didn't pay rookies on this list.

1187
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: They didn't put any rookies on this list, not that

1188
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: any would have deserved it.

1189
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: Well, none of them should, period, But I mean Brooks

1190
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: is going to be one of the top thirty or

1191
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: Ben Center, you know, but they.

1192
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: Have two running backs on this list pretty good?

1193
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, and they should and they're not

1194
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: the very bottom either.

1195
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would if I were ranking those backfields,

1196
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: i'd have Detroit, Pittsburgh, Miami.

1197
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know that Miami would switch with Pittsburgh.

1198
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: But Pittsburgh wouldn't switch with the Miami.

1199
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: Just because of the style that they want to Yeah, in.

1200
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 3: The in geography, Yeah yeah.

1201
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think Detroit would switch with anybody.

1202
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't think I switched with anybody, because there's those

1203
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: two backs are more different than any of the other

1204
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: two backs are different.

1205
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: What they want, That's exactly what they want. Yeah, yeah,

1206
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: all right, let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive. You're

1208
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