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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to move the sticks, d J,

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Speaker 1: Bucky Here in the really the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: College practice right around the corner. We've been gone for

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Lots happened, Buck, We got a lot

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to you being named a part of the l A.

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Speaker 1: Charges broadcast team. Uh, that's a pretty time, that's a

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Speaker 1: uh this coming season. But Buck, I appreciate that you

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Speaker 1: And then this one, Buck, I'm kind of putting you

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Speaker 1: share of kudos and adulation from guys that are paying

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Speaker 1: attention to the league. We'll just learn a little bit.

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Speaker 1: How can't guard Mike's wired buck until he is for

431
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Speaker 1: the Offensive Player of the Year or the m v

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Speaker 1: P of the league, and until he has a ninety

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Speaker 1: nine rating on Madden, he is not going to be

434
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Speaker 1: happy that's going to continue to drive him. Although I

435
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Speaker 1: did see the other day it was interesting about that

436
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Speaker 1: where Drew Brees had gone on radio in Cleveland and

437
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Speaker 1: they had asked him about Mike Thomas, and I believe

438
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees says something along the lines of, I'll take

439
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Speaker 1: all the Ohio State players. We can get those guys

440
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Speaker 1: show up in there. You know exactly what you're getting

441
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Speaker 1: with these guys. M wasn't like a real nice little

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Speaker 1: uh pr there for the for the Ohio State Buckeyes,

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Speaker 1: especially coming from a boilermaker uh Drew Brees. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it was. It is interesting and that I do think

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Speaker 1: we think about it from a personnel standpoint. Hey, we

446
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Speaker 1: like drafting guys from certain schools, from certain cultures that

447
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Speaker 1: they're gonna come and fit us. But now, I mean

448
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Speaker 1: it was kind of by opening that, hey, the players,

449
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Speaker 1: those veteran players, the same thing, like, hey, that's these

450
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Speaker 1: are certain colleges that are produced the type of guys

451
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Speaker 1: I want to play with. Yeah, I mean, I I

452
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Speaker 1: believe that is true. I believe because you're looking from

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Speaker 1: a culture or standpoint, what kind of culture where they

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Speaker 1: embedded in for three or four years? During those formular

455
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Speaker 1: years eighteen to twenty two, who was necessarily taught those

456
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Speaker 1: guys how to play the game, taught them how to compete,

457
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Speaker 1: taught them how to be pros before they actually NFL guys.

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Speaker 1: When you think about Ohio State and Urban myri and

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Speaker 1: all the things that they have done, they certainly kind

460
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Speaker 1: of set the standard for how guys should transition into

461
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Speaker 1: the league. There. Guys have played and played really really well.

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Speaker 1: They haven't had a lot of flameouts for guys that

463
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Speaker 1: were topics under his watch. Under his direction, Um, I

464
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Speaker 1: think you say some of the same things obviously about Alabammon.

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Speaker 1: They produce them like there's a reason why you go

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Speaker 1: to those schools. You kind of content to shop at

467
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Speaker 1: brand names because you typically know what kind of product

468
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Speaker 1: you're getting when they have that buck out on their helmet,

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Speaker 1: no question. All right, before we move on the pod here,

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Speaker 1: we do want to get some help from everybody that's

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Speaker 1: listening out there. Uh, we we've got these podcast awards.

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Speaker 1: He's gotta go to www. Dot Podcast Awards dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can nominate the Move to six pod in the

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Speaker 1: Sports category. Simple It's it's free, doesn't cost anything. You

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Speaker 1: just go to www. Dot podcast Awards dot Com. You

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Speaker 1: click on listening listener nominations. It's now open at the

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Speaker 1: top of the page. Just sign up and and do

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Speaker 1: that will be a huge help. So it's uh the

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Speaker 1: sports category and you know the name of the podcast

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Speaker 1: there and move the sticks. Whatever we gotta do to

481
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Speaker 1: keep around the NFL from winning all these awards. I'm

482
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Speaker 1: just where we want to win, winning everything. That's where

483
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Speaker 1: we want to win. We'd like to win. We'd like

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Speaker 1: to win a trope. We'd like to have something that

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Speaker 1: we can put up here like this. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Like to be number one. Everyone wants to be a champ.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to get a ring. Yeah, yeah, blinders on.

488
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Speaker 1: We don't need to worry about everybody else worried about us.

489
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Speaker 1: We're trying to take. But I'm just I'm telling you

490
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Speaker 1: right now, I guarantee you that I don't know how

491
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Speaker 1: many different accounts he's signed up for, but hands this

492
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Speaker 1: is at least twenty different accounts he signed up for

493
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Speaker 1: and voter for himself. He's got a couple of Burner

494
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Speaker 1: accounts and Burner emails accounts. He Colangelo in that thing.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I guarantee it um buck real quick. I

496
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Speaker 1: don't want spend much time on this. It got a

497
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Speaker 1: lot of buzz on the Internet and Twitter, and people

498
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Speaker 1: were having a big debate. An article written, I believe

499
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Speaker 1: was anything like UH that said, UH, you know, comparing

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Speaker 1: college football and NFL football. To be full disclosure, did

501
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Speaker 1: not read it, but I thought it was a good

502
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Speaker 1: discussion to have, briefly, just in terms of what do

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Speaker 1: you prefer UH. To me, it's it's like choosing between

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Speaker 1: your kids, Like I can't pick one. I love the

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Speaker 1: NFL and in certain aspects and how that is special,

506
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Speaker 1: and then the college football game, especially on its own right,

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Speaker 1: I don't. To me, it's a it's kind of a

508
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Speaker 1: weird debate because I don't come down hard on either

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Speaker 1: one of them. I think that they're both fantastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they both are fantastic. I think it's very

511
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Speaker 1: interesting because I think Andy's biggest UH point in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You talked about master UH strategy, strategists in the game,

513
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Speaker 1: tacticians going at it at the NFL level. But I

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Speaker 1: believe when you look at the college game, I think

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Speaker 1: you can make the same point. I actually find the

516
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Speaker 1: college game a little more fascinating. And when it comes

517
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Speaker 1: to scheme, because there's so many variances and how people

518
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Speaker 1: approach um their business in that game. You think about

519
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Speaker 1: how they play on defense, the the different offenses that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing spread, No spread is exactly like the r

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Speaker 1: p O s and all those things that we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: I think what is interesting, like when you talk about

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Speaker 1: the strategy of the NFL every Sunday, I'm seeing more

524
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Speaker 1: and more of the Saturday game pop up, the r

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Speaker 1: p O s, uh copying plays, the tempo, the way

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Speaker 1: people are going forward and doing uh some trick. You're

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Speaker 1: putting guys in conflict. I believe college coaches actually don't

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Speaker 1: get enough credit for the innovations that they make and

529
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Speaker 1: they bring to the game that is eventually snatched up

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Speaker 1: by NFL coaches as they look at tape and find

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Speaker 1: some ideas very very interesting. Yeah, I just to me,

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Speaker 1: I think the innovation always starts at the lower levels.

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Speaker 1: You have the reason why it starts at lower levels

534
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Speaker 1: because you have security. You're gonna be high school coach

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Speaker 1: in the high school, you know for ten years, and

536
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Speaker 1: you can play around different ideas and throw some stuff

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Speaker 1: against the wall and see what sticks. You get to

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Speaker 1: the college level, the same thing, uh, the the the

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Speaker 1: You know, even if you're if you're a team that

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Speaker 1: doesn't have as much talent, you have to be creative

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Speaker 1: in order to try and compete with teams that have

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Speaker 1: more talent. If you're a team that has a bunch

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Speaker 1: of talent, you're gonna find yourself in situations where you

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Speaker 1: have a comfortable game at hand and you can experiment

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Speaker 1: with some stuff there. So there's just so much more

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Speaker 1: experimenting taking place, whereas at the NFL level there's very

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Speaker 1: little patients and there's parity. So that to me lends

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Speaker 1: a little bit less to being a little risky and

549
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Speaker 1: trying to throw some stuff up against the wall that

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Speaker 1: might not that might not work. Yeah, And you know

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Speaker 1: what was funny about the the NFL game, Like we

552
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Speaker 1: always credit the innovators and particularly the office of Gurus,

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Speaker 1: but we're finding that those guys that are innovative are

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Speaker 1: looking to the lower levels and they're still an ideas.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has heard about. Um the NonStop attention that Lincoln

556
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Speaker 1: Riley has gotten this offseason from NFL teams coming down

557
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Speaker 1: trying to learn more about Oklahoma system, how they can

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Speaker 1: take some of those ideas and implement them at the

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Speaker 1: upper level, even thinking about your alma mater um. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of funny because I had a conversation with nature

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Speaker 1: and means and one of our teammates still hold is

562
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Speaker 1: the running back coach at Appalachian State, and tw were

563
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Speaker 1: and we were talking, and we were talking about some

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Speaker 1: of the things that app State does to put defenses

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Speaker 1: in a bind, and I'm like, wow, that is absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: But when you're at some of these schools and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to kind of level the playing field and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to come up with ways to stay one step

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Speaker 1: ahead of the posse, you're willing to do some things

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Speaker 1: in spring ball to see if it works and put

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Speaker 1: them in playing games. I just believe at the lower

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Speaker 1: levels you have to pay attention to what is going

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Speaker 1: on because it may not happen this year, but next

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Speaker 1: year we'll see some of the things that go on

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Speaker 1: Saturday and even Friday nights make his way to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League because everyone is trying to find an edge,

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Speaker 1: and right now the guys that are creating edge factors

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Speaker 1: are down in the lower ranks. Yeah, I don't don't,

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Speaker 1: don't tell MicroB But Bruce Feldman's Freaks list came out

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Speaker 1: buck and he keeps updating it on the athletic and

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Speaker 1: numbers ten and eleven. We're both app staters, got app

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Speaker 1: State running back and an app State receiver. They're both

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Speaker 1: athletic freaks. So don't come. I'm just gonna go out.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out to fact the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: back to back. We're believing to say that Bruce had

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Speaker 1: a very nice visit the APP State. I'm thinking that

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Speaker 1: maybe he got a militant com. I'm saying maybe he

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Speaker 1: got a militu comp that the favorite restaurant down Darren Boone.

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Speaker 1: Someone took care of him. He had a nice day

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Speaker 1: and nice visit. It's almost like a scout, like some

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Speaker 1: days you have your good days in your bad days.

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Speaker 1: Typically I had really good days at school calls when

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Speaker 1: maybe they slipped a little cookie, a cookie that that

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Speaker 1: gave us a little lunch, hooked us up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to spend any pocket. That's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: We gotta receiver that ran at ten to nine on

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Speaker 1: the track team, like he's legit. We got legit, dude,

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Speaker 1: So no, it's gonna be fun. Penn State. It's just

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Speaker 1: just taking easy. Just just don't don't keep your don't

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Speaker 1: keep your sights on if you're looking ahead. It's just

601
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Speaker 1: about you have to be careful because if you draw

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Speaker 1: too much attention to the the app State, it maybe all

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Speaker 1: white out. Then Penn State, when they have the white out,

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Speaker 1: that's when everyone comes in. White is real, loud, happy,

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Speaker 1: Valley gets rocky, and I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you want, it's gonna be a sleepy new game

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Speaker 1: on ESPN News and app States coming in and gonna

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Speaker 1: shock him. Drinking DJ has been harping on this first

609
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Speaker 1: big game upset from app State for the last two years.

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Speaker 1: He had Tennessee two years ago, Kent's Miami Hurricanes last

611
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: year almost got Tennessee. Miami not so much. It's it's coming.

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Speaker 1: I think Carolina is on the schedule in Carolina. Confused,

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Speaker 1: he's getting his ar was confused. We went down to

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Speaker 1: Tennessee physically dominated them the whole game. US finish, didn't

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Speaker 1: finish his job. We played Miami, I believe two weeks

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Speaker 1: after that. So, oh, that's right, that's right. It was

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Speaker 1: the same year. It was the same meeting, we put

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Speaker 1: on the volunteers and so they were ready. So now

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Speaker 1: we go. Last year, we come in there a Georgia, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: That's right. They start Easton, who was terrible, and we're

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Speaker 1: right in the game, and then we went ahead and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we heard Easton or what happened,

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Speaker 1: but next thing, you know, from came in there there

624
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Speaker 1: is that one that one of his first throws was

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Speaker 1: the now to over the middle and over top of

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Speaker 1: the linebacker, underneath the safety. And I was like, okay,

627
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Speaker 1: this is great that Georgia found there starting quarterback prope boy,

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Speaker 1: sure not, it's pretty good. Fuck real quick here, I

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Speaker 1: know we're getting short on time. I wanted to run

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Speaker 1: through these grades here real quick, I'm gonna give you.

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Speaker 1: I was just looking over NFL grading system for one

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Speaker 1: of the teams that I worked for, so um, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just kind of run through the letter or the

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Speaker 1: number grade, the description of the number grade, and I

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Speaker 1: just thought it just be a funny side. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of the first pro name you come with your mind

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Speaker 1: that fits into this category. Are you ready all right?

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Speaker 1: The at oh as you know is that is kind

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Speaker 1: of a perfect player here and on the pro side,

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Speaker 1: once you've seen at the NFL level, it's easier to

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Speaker 1: give those out, um than it would be on the

642
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: college scale. Here's the definition of an ADO player. A

643
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: rare player performing at a pro bowl level on a

644
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: consistent basis. Opponents must account for this player on every snap.

645
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Who man to me? The first name that pops for me,

646
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald. So that's what that's the first

647
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: thing that came to mind. Eight oh, that's the equivalent

648
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: to a ninety nine on Matt Now, yeah, that's a

649
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: ninety nine. That's what it is, is ninety nine on Man.

650
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: Eight Oh, all right, we'll go Aaron Donald as a

651
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: team team voting on all right, we'll get a seventh

652
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: five level and eight oh to seven oh is a

653
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: starting is the starting level grade. So the seven five

654
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: grade a player who is consistently performing at a high level.

655
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: He'll start for any team in the NFL. He'll make

656
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: an impact on the outcome of each game. M hmmm.

657
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I think you can put let's go wide receiver. I

658
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: think you can put Odell Beckham Jr. In that category.

659
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: I think you could put Julio Jones in that category.

660
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: You almost could put Julio Jones closer to the eight

661
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: oh category just based on his prototype size and stuff

662
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: like that. But Odell would be a nice fit as

663
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: a seven point five. I like that. I like those answers.

664
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: But now we get to there's these grades are kind

665
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: of connected, the seventh three and the seven too, and

666
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: you'll see the difference here. Seventh three is an AS

667
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: sending young player who can perform at a high level

668
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: but lack some consistency due to size, experience, or production.

669
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: This play player is capable performing at a seven five level,

670
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: so still kind of emerging and trying to get into

671
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that category. A seventh three trying to get into a

672
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: seven five category. So this is funny because this is

673
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: degrade that I put on the guy when he was

674
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: coming out, Um, Jared Goff, I gave like a seven

675
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: to seven three, just because, like I thought he was

676
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: a solid start. I thought he'd be a little but

677
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm worried about some of the inconsistent I think if

678
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: we look at the way that he played last year,

679
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: you still wonder how much is him, how much his

680
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: syst him in scheme. So seven three to me seems

681
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: to be like the nice resting point for where he

682
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: would be, whereas some would put Carson Wentz at a

683
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: seven five or higher level already, I think Jerry Golf

684
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: is probably a better fit right at seven three. That's

685
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: a good one. And for me, Um, I'm gonna go

686
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: with the guy who you know has battled some injuries

687
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: last year. But it kind of fits perfectly with that.

688
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: You saw glimpses of the seven five. I put Miles

689
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: Garrett at a seventh three level. Okay, so he's an

690
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: ascending player who I think is going to be a

691
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: seven five player, but right now he's he's knocking on

692
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: the door, he's right there, So I put him as

693
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: a as a seven three now I think that I

694
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: think that's a good point. I think what people have

695
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: to understand, like the grading process is ever evolving, is

696
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: always changing, Like good teams are always re evaluating their teams.

697
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: They re evaluated at the end of the season, they

698
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: re evaluate them after the off season, They're constantly evaluating

699
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: them in training camp. You're always looking at your guys.

700
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: And just because a guy comes in like Garrett, I

701
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: don't know what you're final what was your final great

702
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: When he was coming out of college oh, it was

703
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: on a college scale, so it's a different grading skill,

704
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: but on the college skill of Miles Garrett, and it

705
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: was it was about as good as you can get.

706
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: It was I gave him a sixty nine on a

707
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: skill the college skill goes to eight. Oh, but it's

708
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: broken down differently than this one, but it's I that's

709
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: the I would say I gave a seven to se

710
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, and then that's the highest grade I've given

711
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the last probably five years, and six nine is obviously

712
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: so okay. So just thinking about that, just using that,

713
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: you gave Myles Garrett maybe a top of the top

714
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: of the scale grade as a college prospect number one

715
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: playing the draft, you graded him as such. But even

716
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: then that doesn't necessarily make him a perfect player in

717
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: the National Football League because there's still some development that

718
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: must take place. You still have to see them continue

719
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: to grow their game or whatever. And so for him

720
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: to come in at a seventh three level. It just

721
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: talked about the process of getting to that eight old

722
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: perfect player range means you have to have a consistent um,

723
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: a consistent track record of dominance at a high level

724
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: over years to kind of get to that eight old mark.

725
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: It's not just a one year flash in the pan,

726
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: no question. All right, this is gonna be interesting one

727
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: now we get to this. So seventh three, we're talking

728
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: about a sending young player that's gonna get shows glimpses

729
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: of that high playing at that high pro Bowl level player.

730
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: Then seven two is opposite. It's a descending veteran player

731
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: who will who can perform at a high level, but

732
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: lacks consistency due to age, size, injury, or production. This

733
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: player is capable of playing at a seven five level,

734
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: but basically you're saying he's not what he was, but

735
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: you still see those those glimpses in those flashes of

736
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: playing an elite level, And I'm anxious see what the

737
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: first name that comes to your mind is on this one.

738
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Honey Badger Tyrren Matthew, to me, is a guy that

739
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: would kind of fit in that category. We've seen him

740
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: at his best at Arizona, but injuries have kind of

741
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: taken some of the juice out of his legs age

742
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: you begin to want is he ever going to get

743
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: back to that level? Still can make some plays, but

744
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: right now I think we would view Honey Badger as

745
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: a descending player rather as an ascending player based on

746
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the injuries in the way that this game has looked

747
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: on tape the last couple of years. Yeah, I know,

748
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that's that's a really good one. I like that one

749
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: a lot. Gosh to me, the name that kind of

750
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: popped into my head actually was Roethlisberger. Oh yeah, who's

751
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: still outstanding, but you know, you still I think he's

752
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: taken a little bit of a step back from from

753
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: what he was. He was a little bit younger, just

754
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: in terms of some of the mob building and some

755
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: of the things he used to be able to do.

756
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of that age and injury,

757
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: that combination of the two two factors that that put

758
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: him to me in that seven two categories. There's there's

759
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: weeks he plays like seven fives. Week he plays like

760
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: a seven one. So I put him right there in

761
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: that seven too. No, I mean, I think I think

762
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: that's it. And I think the big thing when we're

763
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: looking at players, particularly veteran players, trying to predict when

764
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: they're going to fall back to the pack, you have

765
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: to play close attention to how they looked and how

766
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: they currently look, and you can't necessarily grade those guys

767
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: with loving odds. You have to be able to take

768
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: the blindess off, take the name off the back of

769
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and just grade the player for what he is.

770
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: And with Ben Roethlisberger, we give him a lot of

771
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: credit from winning a couple of Super Bowls, for being

772
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: a guy that has played at a high level for

773
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: a long time. But he has started to slip and

774
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: regress a little bit. How much maybe a little bit,

775
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: but you are beginning to think, like, you know what,

776
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: it's coming to an end for him. How long can

777
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: he stave it off before he completely kind of falls

778
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: off the cliff as a player. I'm with you, all right,

779
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: we get to the seven one level. Now, this is

780
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: at the pendable NFL starter with no major holes, and

781
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: his current team is not looking to replace him. So

782
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: just kind of like this is like that steady Eddie.

783
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: You know, you put him up there. You can win

784
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: with him. He's a solid starter. We're not looking to

785
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: replace him, not necessarily that elite level player, but you

786
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: can win with him. That's that's the seventh one grade.

787
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because they did replace him, But

788
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: I would say, Alex Smith to me, it's kind of

789
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: like a seven one player. Um, he's a solid starter.

790
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: You feel okay about him. You're not necessarily looking to

791
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: replace him, but you always wanted if you can get

792
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: better at the position. I think he's a solid starter.

793
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: He can win a lot of games, but he's not

794
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: at the top of the chain when it comes to

795
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: evaluating your top elite quarterbacks. Yeah, and to me, like

796
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: a seven one, like I think of a guy like

797
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: a Robert Woods. You know, he's just a solendable, reliable,

798
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: solid player. You know, he's a seven one all day long. Um,

799
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: we get to the seven oh grade. This is a

800
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: capable this is the last grade in the starting caliber player.

801
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: So a capable NFL starter who may have peaked and

802
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 1: has some playing weakness that he cannot overcome. So there's

803
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: a little deficiency that exists there. But he's a starter.

804
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean you can play with him, you can win

805
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: some games with him, but there is there's a little

806
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: bit of a weakness there that exists. Like to me

807
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: right now, at his age, UM, I would probably put

808
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: any at least had a Hall of Fame type career

809
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: with all of his production, I probably put Frank Gore

810
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: as a seven oh. Now he's got he's got a

811
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: limitation just in terms of the speed. It's not there.

812
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny. So you're thinking, you're thinking

813
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, I'm thinking, man, Larry Fitzgerald. But he may

814
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: be a little higher net. But you know, you see

815
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: fits fits was an eight oh player at one point

816
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: that he was a seven five player, And then if

817
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: he would debate in the room, would be as he

818
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: has seven two or seven one. I think that's kind

819
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: of where I would have him. Yeah, so this like

820
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: a seven oh is just a solid just a solid dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

821
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, you can play. You can

822
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: throw him out like Jonathan Stewart's another one to me,

823
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: like he's a seven oh. Probably Jay Stu is probably

824
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: the perfect example, Like he can start for you. You

825
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: may not want him to start all sixteen games, but

826
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: if you had to go through the season with him,

827
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: you're okay doing it. But if you had a young guy,

828
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: you're hoping the young guy can replace perfect. That was

829
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: a fun exercise. That's a starting level. We won't go

830
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: through and give examples the other ones, but I'll run

831
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: through the rest of the scale here. Just people have

832
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: ever been curious about how you grade these guys at

833
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the pro level, And this is just an example one

834
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: of the teams I worked for. So that's a starter

835
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: grades seven oh the backup grade six five or six

836
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: oh six five, a reliable backup that can start the

837
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: remainder of the season if a starter goes down early.

838
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: UH six three is an ascending young player that could

839
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: start if necessary, and should develop into a starter in time.

840
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: So you're envisioning him being a seven one type player

841
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: as he grows. UH A sixty two same type of deal.

842
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: A descending veteran player that could start if necessary, but

843
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: he makes a team based primarily on his experience. And

844
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: then a six old player a player that can spot

845
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: start on a limited basis. A lot of times I

846
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: get asked, uh, you know, and then beneath that is

847
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the role player grades, and you kind of go through

848
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: the role players. I get asked all the time about

849
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: what's between a backup player and a role player. To me,

850
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: a backup player, if your starter goes down, he can

851
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: step in and perform all the starting duties. He might

852
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: not do them all at the same level obviously the starter,

853
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: but he can he can perform in those areas. A

854
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: role player to me is Look, he can only play

855
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: on passing downs. He cannot hold up against the run.

856
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: He has one specific role. Uh, that's the difference to me.

857
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: You have to have it carved out a specific role

858
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: versus somebody that's just not quite as good as the starter.

859
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: But he can still perform all those duties. Yeah, I

860
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: think I think that's a good definition. Role Players are

861
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: guys that have a certain set of skills that allow

862
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: him to function in one particular role. Um, if you

863
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: think about it, Cole Beasley would be a role player

864
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: to me, Cole beasley skill said leads me to believe

865
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: that he is best suited to only play in the slot.

866
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: If he was anything else, if he was elevated to

867
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: the number two receiving, he had to start at X

868
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: or started Z. I don't think that would be doing him,

869
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: um the bet that wouldn't put him in the best

870
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: position to succeed. Whereas if you just put him in

871
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: the slot, he can be at a level player in

872
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: the slot just because his game is built to play

873
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: in the slot, no question. So, Uh, that's got a

874
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: little funnel exercise. It's it's good sometimes when you However,

875
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: if you watch players and you like to write reports

876
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: for fun or you like the great players putting, don't

877
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: just use the numbers. Don't just come up with a

878
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: number system. You need to put a definition to the number.

879
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Help you classify these guys. Talk about putt them in

880
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: different buckets or different pods and how you you know,

881
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: neighborhoods or whatever phrase you want to use. But having

882
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: that language associated with your greatest huge Okay, Yeah, I

883
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: mean I think I think that is. I think what

884
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: would be cool if we could I would have to

885
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: dig in the garage a little bit and see if

886
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I can find it, but put a grading skill up

887
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: for the masses to see to kind of help them

888
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: kind of develop their own grading system um going forward,

889
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: So when they're looking at these guys throughout the fall,

890
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: whether it be college or pro, they can begin to

891
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of try I find a way to categorize the guys,

892
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: to separate him. Because right now, especially when we hear

893
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: the run up to the draft, we hear people talk

894
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: about all my board I had him as a first

895
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: round or this and that, But it really should go

896
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: beyond that. What do you really think the players like?

897
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: What kind of role. Could you see him filling at

898
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: the next level. Is he a capable starter at capable

899
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: of starting for all thirty two teams? Or is he

900
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: a guy that fits best with a certain scheme and

901
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: he could be a starter in that. That is the

902
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: challenge of trying to scout the way that we're doing

903
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: it now as opposed to working for a team where

904
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: you have a heart and fast set of criteria that

905
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: you're looking for. We got to check off, no question.

906
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: But we'll get that out there. We can. We can

907
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: put our heads together in comp with a scale based

908
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: off places we've worked and put it on Twitter so

909
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: they can see it and have a good idea of

910
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: of how to grade these players and where to put him.

911
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: But Buck, that was a jam packed episode today. I

912
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: know we've got a run. We've got I don't know

913
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: who's coming in, Selly, we got Damna Scheck coming in,

914
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: we got a t N coming in. Who's coming out?

915
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I think we're shooting for for Dave coming in and

916
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you definitely, Yeah, we'll definitely. We'll definitely

917
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: get out of the way for Dave. We like Dave Um.

918
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us today Buck, anything

919
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: else you wanna have before we get out of here. No,

920
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: that's it, I think real quickly, we'll touch on the

921
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: supplemental draft. We had two guys that were drafting uh

922
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Wednesday and the supplemental draft. Sam Bill from Western Mission

923
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: was draft in the third round, went to New York Giants.

924
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I thought this guy had a chance to come off

925
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: the board in the second round. Smooth, fluid, polish um

926
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: six does a great job using variety of techniques on

927
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: the edge. He has an opportunity to really be an

928
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: outstanding player. Dave Gentleman said that they believe he has

929
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: a chance to be a starter for them in time.

930
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: Really liked his talent. And then the Donna's Alexander went

931
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: to the Washington Ridskins in the sixth round. When I

932
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: looked at him on tape, he has a body type

933
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: that is going to kind of bring the comparisons of

934
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman long range. He does a great job playing press.

935
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: He should be a nice fit and that defense they

936
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: lost can the fuel that they needed to get another

937
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: corner that could kind of fit a role in that secondary.

938
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Good work there, I've heard talking to people around the league,

939
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: there was some definitely some interest in both these guys.

940
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Um some concerns with b over the way I think

941
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: at the at the workout he was in the one seventies.

942
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: You know, he played in the one eighties, so that

943
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: was kind of play strength was the knock on him.

944
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: And then I think with Donna, you had a little

945
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: bit of some stuff off the field. Teams we're trying

946
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: to sort through there to get comfortable with him there.

947
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: But Redskins in the sixth round, Shoot, why not take

948
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: a shot? Yeah, I mean I think that's what you

949
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: should do. You should be able to just um take

950
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: a shot on those guys. The thing that I talked

951
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: to a scout about, he said, when you take again

952
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: in the supplement or draft, it kind of hamstranger because

953
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: now you're working really with a fifty two man roster

954
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: because that guy needs to be on your team, and

955
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: you forfeit a pick from the next draft. So you

956
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of have a guy that's behind the eight ball

957
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: and you're hoping that maybe somewhere in the season he

958
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: can give you some contributions. No question, good work there

959
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: on the supplemental draft. That is behind us. What is

960
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: ahead of us? Uh, that's training camp right around the corner.

961
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: We've got NFL training camp, we've got the college football

962
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: season on the way, and we have all of your

963
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: football needs covered right here on Move the Sticks. Be

964
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,359
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965
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966
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,200
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967
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,879
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968
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: got our under thirty series going where we end up

969
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: picking one player at all these individual positions that we'd

970
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: want for one play, one drive, one game in the

971
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: next five years. You can check those out at nfl

972
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,360
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973
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: on YouTube on the NFL channel that's gonna do it

974
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: for us today. Thank you guys so much for listening,

975
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,480
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976
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