WEBVTT - False Dmitry: False, or Heir to the Russian Throne?

0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:14.280
<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the

0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>third season of Criminalia. This season, we're exploring the lives

0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and motivations of some of the most notorious impostors throughout history.

0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm Maria Tremarquis and I'm Holly Frying. In this episode

0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.480
<v Speaker 1>takes us to seventeenth century Russia. This was a very

0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.440
<v Speaker 1>unstable time in Russia, and most of this story takes

0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.720
<v Speaker 1>place when the country was ravaged by uprisings and major famine.

0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.600
<v Speaker 1>So before we begin, we just want to note that

0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Russian history is really thick here with wars and treason

0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy, and we're going to try to keep the

0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.520
<v Speaker 1>spotlight on our subject, false Dmitri. But we will still

0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.840
<v Speaker 1>have some war and treason and conspiracy because you're gonna

0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.400
<v Speaker 1>need a little bit of that for context, and there

0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.720
<v Speaker 1>will also be a coup de toass So really the

0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:03.200
<v Speaker 1>full complement of historical bag exactly. It begins when Szar

0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Ivan the fourth died in Fight four and yes, that

0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>is Ivan the Terrible. So when Ivan the fourth died,

0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.760
<v Speaker 1>he was succeeded by his son Theodore Theodor had an

0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.760
<v Speaker 1>older brother named Ivan, after their father, who had been

0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.840
<v Speaker 1>killed in one most likely by their father. The two

0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.880
<v Speaker 1>men had gotten into a dispute, and while the actual

0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.160
<v Speaker 1>fatal injury may have been an accident, it really doesn't

0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.160
<v Speaker 1>make a whole lot of difference. It doesn't make anything better.

0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.600
<v Speaker 1>In any case, the son who had been heir apparent

0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was gone, meaning that Theodore, who had not been expected

0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to rule, was now the next in line. Throughout his life,

0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Theodore had always been considered weak, but now in this

0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.000
<v Speaker 1>position he was not expected to take a czar. He

0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.600
<v Speaker 1>was considered pretty much incompetent. It was known that he

0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.640
<v Speaker 1>really didn't care much for politics, and seeing this opportunity

0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to control the weeks are, Boris, goodnob Russian statesman who

0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.720
<v Speaker 1>also was Feodor's brother in law, became a de facto

0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.040
<v Speaker 1>regent for Feodor, a decision that was put in place

0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.640
<v Speaker 1>prior to the Czar's death. How very convenient that act

0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>opened up the pass to the throne for Boris. To

0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.120
<v Speaker 1>better secure his position, Boris sent Ivan, the fourth youngest son, Dmitri,

0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.919
<v Speaker 1>and Dmitri's mother into exile. This is where Dmitri, who

0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.560
<v Speaker 1>was an eight year old, mysteriously died. What was believed

0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to be true but not proven, was that his death

0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.840
<v Speaker 1>was an assassination attempt made to look like an accident.

0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.000
<v Speaker 1>There were also two far fetched explanations here. One that

0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.400
<v Speaker 1>circulated reported that Dmitri stabbed himself in the throat during

0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a seizure while he was playing with a knife, and

0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.959
<v Speaker 1>the official statement was that Dmitri had died of suicide.

0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But again it really doesn't matter by what method though,

0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.600
<v Speaker 1>because Dmitri was dead and Boris was clear to take

0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the throne, so Feodor reigned. And we got to put

0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that word in air quotes, because with Boris in the

0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.760
<v Speaker 1>picture and Theodore essentially checked out of his duties, he

0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:11.560
<v Speaker 1>really reigned in name only. Yes, Theodore had married, incidentally,

0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Boris's sister, Arena, in Fight, and this is actually one

0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.519
<v Speaker 1>of those rare instances where an arranged marriage between strangers

0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.000
<v Speaker 1>as part of kind of a business agreement of state

0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>actually works out pretty well. Theodor and Arena were by

0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.359
<v Speaker 1>all accounts, very devoted to one another and quite happy.

0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>But their one child, a daughter who was very much beloved,

0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.800
<v Speaker 1>died when she was still a toddler, so there was

0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.760
<v Speaker 1>no heir from that union and the family line died

0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.840
<v Speaker 1>with Fyodor the first. That sad state of affairs was

0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.120
<v Speaker 1>to just get another piece of good fortune for Boris, though,

0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.160
<v Speaker 1>because there was now no heir to contest his claim,

0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.760
<v Speaker 1>he was elected successor by the Great National Assembly, so

0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.760
<v Speaker 1>from start to finish he ruled as de facto regent

0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.920
<v Speaker 1>from five to and then and as sar Boris from

0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:09.040
<v Speaker 1>sixteen o five. Russian historim Nikolai Karamzine, who's said to

0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.120
<v Speaker 1>be a little bit biased in his writings, condemned the

0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.840
<v Speaker 1>quote criminal ambition of Boris and then called him a

0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.640
<v Speaker 1>power loving man whose quote punishment of heaven awaited him.

0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Interesting quotes about this man is all I'm gonna say. Clearly,

0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.280
<v Speaker 1>not a fan, right, but I guess we can take

0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.279
<v Speaker 1>it with a grain of salt. But all this stage

0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.719
<v Speaker 1>setting is actually to talk about Dmitri, Yes, the Dmitri

0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.680
<v Speaker 1>who died in exile by possibly an assassination, possibly his

0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.080
<v Speaker 1>own hand, or possibly by accident, and what happened after

0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.360
<v Speaker 1>his death. Finally, we're gonna go to sixteen o five

0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.680
<v Speaker 1>because in sixteen o five, the first of three impostors

0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.120
<v Speaker 1>claiming to be Dmitri Ivanovitch emerged right, and these impostors

0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.320
<v Speaker 1>are known as false Dmitri. A false Dmitri is also

0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.680
<v Speaker 1>called a pseudo Demetrius, and it isn't one single person

0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.839
<v Speaker 1>who gets this name. The term refers to all of

0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the individual impostors who, after I'man the fourth Death, pretended

0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to be Dmitri. Because, as we learned from Anastasia Romano story,

0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.159
<v Speaker 1>a royal child who disappears leaves a lot of room

0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.680
<v Speaker 1>for people to claim their identity. So here are the players.

0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.599
<v Speaker 1>The first false Dmitri is the biggest of the stories

0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.039
<v Speaker 1>that we're going to talk about today, and that's because

0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.640
<v Speaker 1>he actually did become the Czar of Russia. His reign

0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.920
<v Speaker 1>lasted from June tenth, sixteen o five, to May seventeen,

0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.960
<v Speaker 1>sixteen o six. And then there was the second false Dmitri,

0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.120
<v Speaker 1>who actively impersonated the real Dmitri Ivanovitch from sixteen o

0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.919
<v Speaker 1>seven to sixteen ten, and then the third false Dmitri.

0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.680
<v Speaker 1>That's right, the hits just keep on coming. Uh pretended

0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that he was heir to the throne between sixteen eleven

0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and sixteen twelve. And all three of these stories are

0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.480
<v Speaker 1>quite different, but all three of these men met violent

0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.600
<v Speaker 1>in each of these pretenders to the Russian throne claimed

0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to have miraculously escaped the assassination attempt that was supposed

0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.680
<v Speaker 1>to have claimed the real Dmitri's life. Additionally, in the

0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.040
<v Speaker 1>case of the second and third false Dmitri, they both

0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.400
<v Speaker 1>also claimed to have escaped the assassinations that had targeted

0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the previous false Dmitri. I know that sounds really confusing,

0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.680
<v Speaker 1>but basically everyone here seems to claim that they have

0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:30.640
<v Speaker 1>escaped all assassination attempts, And just to further complicate matters,

0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.440
<v Speaker 1>there is one more thing that we need to talk

0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.799
<v Speaker 1>about regarding these impostors. There are also very minor hints

0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.919
<v Speaker 1>and rumors that there may be sort of may have

0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.880
<v Speaker 1>even been a fourth false Dmitri. And these lines are

0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty blurry because this all happened more than four years ago.

0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.160
<v Speaker 1>There isn't much of a debate though, to modern experts,

0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.640
<v Speaker 1>because most of them think that he is not to

0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.920
<v Speaker 1>be considered as his own individual person. He is generally

0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.320
<v Speaker 1>considered to actually have been the third false Dmitri just

0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of mixed up in the historical record. So in

0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.560
<v Speaker 1>one example of fourth false Dmitri was rumored to have

0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.320
<v Speaker 1>been active between sixteen eleven and sixteen twelve. But those

0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.920
<v Speaker 1>are the same years you just heard us mention in

0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.880
<v Speaker 1>relation to the third false Dmitri. And it's one of

0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.760
<v Speaker 1>those cases where historical information may be inaccurate or lost

0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.080
<v Speaker 1>over the centuries, or that it just got conflated with

0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.200
<v Speaker 1>other information through word of mouth. So we wanted to

0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.120
<v Speaker 1>mention that rumor. But because there just isn't nearly enough

0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.760
<v Speaker 1>evidence to prove that he was a real person, we're

0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna follow the experts who know a bit more about

0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.600
<v Speaker 1>this than we do and just assume that any information

0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.960
<v Speaker 1>about him is really about the third false Dmitri. So

0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that is all you're gonna hear about the fourth false Dmitri.

0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.600
<v Speaker 1>We've jumped ahead, but we're clearing him off the record. Yes,

0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.239
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a break for a word from our sponsor.

0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.480
<v Speaker 1>When we're back, we'll finally talk about the first false Dmitri.

0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. So, as promised, we will start

0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.440
<v Speaker 1>with the first false Dmitri and the time that he

0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.520
<v Speaker 1>was maybe shot out of a cannon. Maybe the first

0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.400
<v Speaker 1>false Dmitri was the Tsar of Russia from sixteen o

0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.120
<v Speaker 1>five to sixteen o six. His real name, though, was

0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.080
<v Speaker 1>not Dmitri No. Prior to claiming that he had a

0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.440
<v Speaker 1>right to the Russian throne, his name was GRIGORYO Trepiev

0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and he came from an aristocratic family. He was often

0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.720
<v Speaker 1>seen mingling among the elite class, including the romanofs. The

0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Romanov family, if you are not familiar with the timeline

0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of Russian history, came immediately after what we're talking about

0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in this episode. They became the reigning Imperial House of

0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Russia between sixteen thirteen, and then that went on until

0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:54.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen and then Grigory, who had been this aristocrat, became

0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.319
<v Speaker 1>a monk, and it was as a monk who he

0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.720
<v Speaker 1>was probably defraged, and it was believed he was on

0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the run from something or someone. When he appeared in

0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth in six three, claiming he was

0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Dmitri Ivanovitch, the son of Czar five and the fourth,

0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.960
<v Speaker 1>he explained that he had escaped an assassination attempt during

0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.360
<v Speaker 1>his childhood. He had been hiding for years under a

0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.760
<v Speaker 1>false identity, but now he was coming forward as the

0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.160
<v Speaker 1>rightful heir to the throne. As the first false Dmitri,

0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.520
<v Speaker 1>he was successful in ascending to the Russian throne. And

0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like fiction, right a pretends are wearing the crown.

0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But he did it, and he actually did it with

0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of support and backing. He was supported by

0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:41.199
<v Speaker 1>both Polish Lithuanian nobles and King Zigmundwaza the third Waza

0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.640
<v Speaker 1>was King of Poland, but not only king of Poland.

0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.640
<v Speaker 1>He had inherited the Swedish throne and he was also

0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Duke of Lithuania. For him to recognize Grigory

0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.960
<v Speaker 1>as Dmitri Ivanovitch was both notable and extremely influential in

0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Gregory's successful impersonation. This support there wasn't because he was

0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.240
<v Speaker 1>charismatic or they were feeling particularly benevolent that day. The

0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth had an interest in this because they

0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to control Moscow and the emergence of this false

0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Dmitri was seen as an opportunity to regain influence in Russia. Well,

0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.079
<v Speaker 1>it would be interesting to take a dive into the

0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.000
<v Speaker 1>relationship between Russia and the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. We're going

0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to keep it on False Dmitri and how a lot

0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.319
<v Speaker 1>of Russians seized the opportunity for change and got behind him.

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.440
<v Speaker 1>So you'll remember Czar Boris from earlier. He ruled after

0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Fiodor the first, and Boris died in April of sixteen

0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.320
<v Speaker 1>o five, and his one son, Theodore the second, did

0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.760
<v Speaker 1>succeed him, but he only ruled for a few months.

0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Theodore the second and his mother were assassinated in June

0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.559
<v Speaker 1>of sixteen o five. That was believed to have been

0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.240
<v Speaker 1>a powerful political move by the first False Dmitri to

0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.720
<v Speaker 1>ensure that the crown would be his. The first false

0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Dmitri actually did have the support and acceptance as who

0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.720
<v Speaker 1>he claimed to be, and with the help from political

0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.600
<v Speaker 1>allies and the support of the Russian people, he seized Moscow.

0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.720
<v Speaker 1>So historian Chester L. Dunning noted, though, that the first

0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.240
<v Speaker 1>False Dmitri was and this is a quote, the only

0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Tsar ever raised to the throne by means of a

0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:21.520
<v Speaker 1>military campaign and popular uprisings. He was crowned in July

0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of six five, and later that year married Marina Manusi,

0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a Polish noble woman. Surprisingly, Maria Nagaya, who was the

0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.920
<v Speaker 1>mother of the real Dmitri, accepted this first false Dmitri

0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.480
<v Speaker 1>as her son, and as a consequence that confirmed the

0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.839
<v Speaker 1>whole thing for many that he was, in fact Dmitri Ivanovitch.

0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040
<v Speaker 1>The first false Dmitri was. It turned out more than

0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.560
<v Speaker 1>just well educated, he was a capable ruler, and he

0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.000
<v Speaker 1>was able to keep his scam going for much longer

0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.160
<v Speaker 1>than the other impostors. And he ruled for about eleven

0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.719
<v Speaker 1>months before he was assassinated. Yeah, I have to give

0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.439
<v Speaker 1>him props. I mean, we've talked about a lot of

0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.680
<v Speaker 1>impostors on the show, and the usually get found out

0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:06.040
<v Speaker 1>way earlier than eleven months into running a country. Plus

0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.520
<v Speaker 1>all the campaign that he did before it like this

0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:13.480
<v Speaker 1>is amazing. Here's what led up to that moment. At

0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning of the first False Dmitri's rule, Vasili

0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Ivanovitch Shuizy was convicted of treason. Prince Vasili Shuiski was

0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.559
<v Speaker 1>a descendant of one of the oldest and most illustrious

0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.920
<v Speaker 1>families of Russia. He was given a light sentence, though

0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.120
<v Speaker 1>it was only briefly exiled, But once he returned to Moscow,

0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Vasili began plotting to overthrow the Tsar. Vasili was angered,

0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.920
<v Speaker 1>but not by his exile. He believed the Czar was

0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.160
<v Speaker 1>guilty of spreading Catholicism throughout Russia. He circulated rumors that

0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the False Dmitri was a power hungry, bloodthirsty impostor who

0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was only there to convert the people of Russia to Catholicism,

0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and the Prince's ideas kind of gained popular support. Okay,

0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.880
<v Speaker 1>let's take two examples of the first False Dmitri's rule

0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.920
<v Speaker 1>that really enraged people. So first, he permitted Catholic and

0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Protestant soldiers to pray in Orthodox churches. That is huge

0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.760
<v Speaker 1>because at the time the Russian Church regarded Catholics and

0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Protestants as heretics. And then the other problem was the

0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.320
<v Speaker 1>czar's inner circle. His friends, entrusted confidence weren't helping his

0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.000
<v Speaker 1>reputation because they openly disregarded Russian customs and because they

0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.240
<v Speaker 1>were mostly foreigners. Foreigners were generally looked upon with some

0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.480
<v Speaker 1>suspicion since Poland thundered into Moscow with this first False Dmitri.

0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.480
<v Speaker 1>When Vassili executed his plan, it worked. The first False

0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Dmitri was killed during a kudata to install the prince

0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.720
<v Speaker 1>as czar. The False Dmitri tried to flee, but he

0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was dragged out of the palace. He was executed and cremated,

0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and in the more embellished stories, which they're actually quite

0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.959
<v Speaker 1>a bit of the more embellished stories, he was executed,

0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.120
<v Speaker 1>cut into pieces, cremated, and then and his ashes were

0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.559
<v Speaker 1>put into a can and shot out of a cannon

0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.320
<v Speaker 1>into the general direction of Poland, where Russians believed he'd

0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.640
<v Speaker 1>come from. I always sort of bowled over by the

0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.240
<v Speaker 1>levels of thoroughness that people will sometimes go to in

0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.320
<v Speaker 1>history to ensure that their fallen enemy is really and

0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.040
<v Speaker 1>truly fallen and insulted after the fact, and maybe in

0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Poland again as ashes like take him, he's yours. The

0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.080
<v Speaker 1>prince turned czar did seize power with this assassination, and

0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.000
<v Speaker 1>he became Zarvasili the fourth. The first False Dmitri's Polish

0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Lithuanian allies, who had helped him rise to the throne,

0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.800
<v Speaker 1>were then driven out of Russia. His wife Marina was spared,

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.920
<v Speaker 1>but she was imprisoned and she did not return to

0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Poland until July of six eight. Not everyone, though, was

0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.400
<v Speaker 1>quick to accept Vassily as their news are. They also

0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.320
<v Speaker 1>weren't willing to accept that the First False Dmitri was

0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.760
<v Speaker 1>dead either. Despite the cannon I guess. The body was

0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.920
<v Speaker 1>so damaged during his execution it was actually pretty easy

0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to wonder if the whole thing had been faked, or

0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that maybe he'd escaped. Many believed it was possible Dmitri

0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Ivanovitch could still be alive. Almost like their theatricality went

0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.600
<v Speaker 1>just a little too far right, it could happen. We're

0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.360
<v Speaker 1>going to take a break here for a word from

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.520
<v Speaker 1>our sponsor, and then the second and third false Dmitri

0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:33.800
<v Speaker 1>will be up next. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk

0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.800
<v Speaker 1>now about how the next false Dmitri aren't actually very successful.

0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.880
<v Speaker 1>So it took no time at all, just a few

0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.680
<v Speaker 1>months for another false Dmitri to pop up. This time

0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it's six seven, and this Dmitri is in Star a dupe.

0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.680
<v Speaker 1>The second false Dmitri, whose real name we actually don't know,

0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.480
<v Speaker 1>was an educated man, and he was fluent in both

0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Russian and Polish. He was considered by the locals to

0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.240
<v Speaker 1>be somewhat of an expert in religious rich rules. Historical

0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.640
<v Speaker 1>records suggest he may have been the son of a

0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:08.080
<v Speaker 1>priest or. Possibly perhaps he had converted to Judaism. Nobody

0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.560
<v Speaker 1>really assured on this. His first time as an impostor,

0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.520
<v Speaker 1>at least that we know of, was when he pretended,

0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.320
<v Speaker 1>in fact just to be a Russian aristocrat. He was

0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:22.240
<v Speaker 1>exposed and under torture he confessed. We're using air quotes

0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.960
<v Speaker 1>again because his confession was that he was the legitimate

0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.840
<v Speaker 1>heir of Czar Ivan the fourth, and that is when

0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.400
<v Speaker 1>he became the second false Dmitri. I always wondered if

0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>he did that first impersonation so that he could do

0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the confession as like, there's no proof of that, but

0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.640
<v Speaker 1>of course that's the game. The false Dmitri never claimed

0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that the previous false Dmitri was pretending. In fact, he

0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.000
<v Speaker 1>legitimized him when he explained that he'd escaped execution, which

0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.520
<v Speaker 1>for clarity, would have been an escape from having his

0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.040
<v Speaker 1>remains shot out of a cannon. So he was at

0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that point in person both a legitimate air Dmitri and

0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a fellow impostor the first false Dmitri in what's really

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.720
<v Speaker 1>quite a spectacular impersonation stacking maneuver. Of course, I'm both

0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of those, but he's not claiming them as different. He's

0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Speaker 1>claiming them to all be one, exactly. We're all one.

0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.560
<v Speaker 1>So amazingly, when the widow of the first false Dmitri,

0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to use their quoes here was reunited

0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.919
<v Speaker 1>with She acknowledged him. She claimed that she recognized this

0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.520
<v Speaker 1>man as her husband, and she supported the new false Dmitri,

0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.280
<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that the only thing similar between those

0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.920
<v Speaker 1>two men was that they were both posing as Dmitri

0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Avon a bit. There was no real resemblance there. But Marina,

0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.040
<v Speaker 1>it's suggested in some records, is actually who convinced him

0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to use a revolution to seize power. So she may

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.960
<v Speaker 1>have just been like, I will play along if it

0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.720
<v Speaker 1>makes my life better. Exactly. I always thought the same thing.

0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.479
<v Speaker 1>She's like, all right, let's do this. So the second

0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 1>false Tomitri was taken at his word by many of

0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.480
<v Speaker 1>those who had supported the first false Dmitri. So he

0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.720
<v Speaker 1>said he was Dmitri Vanovitch, and so he was Dmitri.

0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Marina's recognition brought him the support of the elite class

0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, which was the same class

0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.879
<v Speaker 1>who had supported the first false Dmitri. The Polish Lithuanian

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.639
<v Speaker 1>involvement was their desire to again occupy Moscow, and the

0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.760
<v Speaker 1>second false Dmitri, in their eyes, would be a great

0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.160
<v Speaker 1>puppet ruler. Some supplied him with funding, another sent him soldiers.

0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.240
<v Speaker 1>He managed to put together an army of according to

0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.200
<v Speaker 1>many rumors at the time, upwards of a hundred thousand men.

0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.840
<v Speaker 1>That number is of course debatable due to a lack

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.760
<v Speaker 1>of surviving documentation, but he most certainly did sign up

0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of support, and in the spring of sixteen

0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.440
<v Speaker 1>o eight he headed toward Moscow to claim his throne.

0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But the second False Dmitri did not claim the throne.

0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 1>In December of sixteen ten he was killed. And he

0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.520
<v Speaker 1>was not killed on the attlefield like you might have guessed.

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 1>He was killed will He's writing in his sleigh and

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.639
<v Speaker 1>was a little drunk, and he was killed by Prince

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Peter Russov. It said that the second False Dmitri had

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.440
<v Speaker 1>previously beaten Russo as a punishment for something. We don't

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>know what that was. It appears to be lost to history.

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But russof was angry, and so with several of his

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.840
<v Speaker 1>friends he followed the sleigh, and when he had the opportunity,

0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the Prince shot the second False Dmitri with a pistol

0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.600
<v Speaker 1>with his saber. He then beheaded him and cut off

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.240
<v Speaker 1>his hand. Perhaps both hands depending on what account you read.

0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.640
<v Speaker 1>But after you're beheaded, does it really matter how many

0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.560
<v Speaker 1>hands you have. After the second false Dmitri died, a

0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.600
<v Speaker 1>third false Dmitri entered the picture in sixteen eleven. So

0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.960
<v Speaker 1>this third false Dmitri was actually the last of the

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.639
<v Speaker 1>impostors who claimed to be the youngest son of Ivan

0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the fourth, which made him false heir to the throne. Right,

0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about that, so we know he existed,

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.240
<v Speaker 1>but as you're about to he is a huge, big,

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.439
<v Speaker 1>enormous mystery to us, many question marks. So it is

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>thought that this third impostor was a deacon known as Sidorka.

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 1>His recorded story is that he appeared from behind the

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 1>river Narwa in the town of Ivan Garrod and proclaimed

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.080
<v Speaker 1>himself Dmitri Ivanovitch, son of Czar Ivan the Fourth. Like

0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the false Dmitri before him, this false Dmitri does not

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 1>dispute the existence of the first or second false Dmitri.

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He recognizes and legitimizes them. After all, these men didn't coexist,

0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 1>they weren't competing with one another. So each successive Dmitri

0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.159
<v Speaker 1>wove the story of his predecessor into his own, and

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that's why the entire lot is kind of referred to

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.919
<v Speaker 1>in the singular as false Dmitri sometimes, but unlike the

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 1>first and second of his very unique group, no one

0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>actually ever believed Sedorca was Dmitri. Not long after, sometime

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.199
<v Speaker 1>in early sixteen twelve, we know this impostor was killed,

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.400
<v Speaker 1>but we don't know for sure where or how. And

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>this is the end of the story for the false Dmitri.

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And with an awkward transition to Holly, let's talk about

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the false cocktail naturally. This one was a little bit

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:22.919
<v Speaker 1>of a puzzler. I was trying to think of the

0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.320
<v Speaker 1>best way to approach it, and in thinking about mocktail

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like we did, we did one that's kind of

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like a lemon drop, and so I was trying to

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>think of, like possibly replicating some other cocktail. But then

0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I got myself into a little its own confusion. So

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm calling this the fourth false Dmitri. I hope you would.

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I love it, but it's not a real impersonation of

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a thing. It's a bad impersonation of a thing that

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>one would only accept as an impersonation of another cocktail

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.239
<v Speaker 1>if it benefited you in some way. I don't know,

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, So I was thinking about a couple of things. Obviously,

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing that came to mind first was a white Russian,

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>which is a delicious and heavy drink, and who doesn't

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.560
<v Speaker 1>love the big Lebowski. And the thing is about a

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 1>white Russian right has khalua in it, which is a

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>liqueur that's meant to taste somewhat like coffee. So that

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 1>also got me thinking about last year's big trendy viral

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.159
<v Speaker 1>coffee sensation, Delgona coffee or that whipped coffee that was

0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>going around everywhere. And so for everyone who tried that

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and now has a canister of like instant coffee crystals

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 1>in your pantry, I'm giving you another thing to do

0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 1>with it, because I have them and I'm not using them.

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So it starts very similarly to that famous whipped coffee.

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>It is two table spoons of instant coffee. But here's

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.119
<v Speaker 1>where it changes. You're gonna do one tablespoon of sugar

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and then two tablespoons of or jaw or just regular

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>almond syrup. Or jah is an almond syrup that just

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 1>has some kind of unique flavor profiles to it. But

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>if you just have plain almond syrup, that's fine, and

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.880
<v Speaker 1>then two tablespoons of cold water and you're gonna put

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 1>this in a mixer. It's not enough, at least in

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>my blender to like rise to the level where it's

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 1>activated by the blades, so a hand mixer works great.

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Or if you have an immersion blender, this is the

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.919
<v Speaker 1>time I love looking for things from my immersion blender.

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I imagine it would vary depending on the

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 1>profile of the bottom of your immersion blender and where

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the blades sit, but for mine, it works fine. Mix mix, mix,

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 1>mix mix. It's not going to get like the same

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of stiff, frothy that the whipped coffee trend would have,

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>but it gets, you know, a little a little bubbly

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and fuzzy, and you really want it to get well incorporated.

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>You want all of those coffee crystals to dissolve, and

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna smell really good because of that almond syrup.

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And then once that's nice and frothy, you're gonna start

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 1>adding a little bit of milk. And you can go

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 1>with any kind of dairy item here. If you want

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.159
<v Speaker 1>to do something like a heavy cream, great, If you

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 1>want to go all the way down to something as

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of thin as a rice milk. That's also fine.

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 1>It's going to change it, obviously, but you have options,

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.919
<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna just kind of keep adding it

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 1>a little bit at a time until it gets to

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>a paleness and a taste that you like. You can

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>also at this point give a couple of shakes of

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like an angust or a bitter and then just pour

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that over ice and it's kind of like a very

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>bad approximation of a white Russian. But really it's into thing.

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I like to think of it in the way that

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.879
<v Speaker 1>that second false Dmitri people are like, yeah, that's the

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.120
<v Speaker 1>same guy. It doesn't look at all like him, totally

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the same guy. That's kind of what we're doing here.

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>So then if you wanted to additionally make it alcoholic

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>for the grownups or just people that like to drink,

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the world is your oyster at this point. Obviously, I

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>would say choose a vodka. But you can further alter

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 1>this with whatever vodka flavor you pick. So you can

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>go with, you know, just your standard vodka. You can

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>do like an espresso vodka and it does something very nice.

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>You can do a vanilla vodka or a whip like

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.719
<v Speaker 1>anything in that space. You can also whether it's in

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the mock tail version of the alcoholic version. I played

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>around with one where I added in some cocoa powder

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and nutmeg and that got very yummy, So you have

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 1>some options. Think of this as a base to make

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>your own version of false Dmitri because it's all fake anyway,

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>so you know the details and the rules are a

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>little fuzzy. As long as you endorse it, it's fine.

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I like that the mock tail season is kind of

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like a choose your own adventure sometimes when it comes

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.159
<v Speaker 1>to adding the alcohol, it makes it, it makes a

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>little more fun. Yeah. Well, I mean I'm a big

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.959
<v Speaker 1>fan of choosing your own adventure anyway in mixing drinks

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>and cooking and baking. Right, as long as you have

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the basics down, you can start playing and do your

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 1>own thing and make it the way you like it.

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I found, I added a little more sweetener to

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.879
<v Speaker 1>mine than it initially had because I'd like it a

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>little sweeter. But I know I tend to when it

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>comes to coffee drinks, I like things almost at a

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 1>level that would be cloying to normal. So I'm not

0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>going to give you a measure because she'll be like,

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>how much sweetener did you put in there to taste?

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Are you? Are you broken in your brain? What is

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>going on? Is that table spoons or tea spoonies, right cups?

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you could sweeten it to taste and over

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.719
<v Speaker 1>ice it makes like a nice It's a little different

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>from an iced coffee because of that almond flavor in

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the bitters. Um, it feels a little more grown up

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 1>than just having a niced coffee or a frappuccino. No

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>shade to those, they're delicious, but um, it's a little

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>just a little bit different. And then like I said,

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 1>adding other stuff, I want to do one with you know,

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>pumpkin pie spice in the fall and see how yummy

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that is. Maybe as a dessert drink. I'll do that

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>both with and without alcohol, and will do taste testers

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and see how it goes. But hopefully that is a yummy,

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>yummy thing for you to enjoy. If you're in one

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of the places in the US or anywhere in the

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>world is getting hit by crazy temperatures right now and

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it's very hot, this might be a good way to

0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>get your your caffeine fix and cool awful little it's

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the same time again. Thank you for spending this time

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>with us and our false Dmitris today. We will have

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>more false people next week, and we hope you join

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>us then and we'll also have other libations, so we'll

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>see you right back here. Criminalia is a production of

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Shonda land Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. For

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>more podcasts from Shonda land Audio, please visit the I

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>your favorite shows.