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Speaker 1: here we go on a Sunday, Buffalo thirty Kansas City
Speaker 1: twenty one in the epic best rivalry in the NFL.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout with the Philadelphia Eagles, is
Speaker 1: joining us. So I'll start with this, and I've said
Speaker 1: this for the last couple of weeks. This team's the
Speaker 1: best equipped to beat Kansas City. First of all, they
Speaker 1: have their best running game with James Cook, best running
Speaker 1: back they've had. I think they have an interesting group
Speaker 1: of receivers, and they now have two tight ends, although
Speaker 1: Kincaid banged up, but you know, Amari Cooper made several
Speaker 1: nice plays today. They've got the slot guy. We know
Speaker 1: they're going to be well coached defensively because of Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: And as I watched this game, I thought Kansas City
Speaker 1: would win because they were so much talk of injuries
Speaker 1: to Buffalo receivers, but you know, most of them showed
Speaker 1: up and played. And my take is we all kind
Speaker 1: of knew Buffalo was gonna win one of these games.
Speaker 1: And I think this Buffalo team at home. This was
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like this team can beat anybody,
Speaker 1: including kse.
Speaker 2: Listen. I think we talked about the Chiefs owning them
Speaker 2: because they beat them in the playoffs last year and
Speaker 2: then a couple of years ago in that thirteen second game.
Speaker 2: The Bills have now beat him three straight regular seasons.
Speaker 2: Now two of those, I think back to back years
Speaker 2: have been in Buffalo, definitely two of the three of them.
Speaker 2: So it's like they play well against them, Like, there's
Speaker 2: no disputing I'm sure we'll get into Lamar later. Lamar
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs looked like a different player. Josh Allen
Speaker 2: has played really really well against the Chiefs. Yeah, regular
Speaker 2: season and in the playoffs. I mean today, is this
Speaker 2: game really as closed if he doesn't make that disastrous
Speaker 2: decision on that fourth down where he just threw that
Speaker 2: ball up and then it led to a Chiefs touch
Speaker 2: which they struggle to score. I mean, so he doesn't
Speaker 2: turn it over right there, Let's say they kick a
Speaker 2: field goal. I mean, do they have twenty one points
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a team that struggles to score points, yes, right, I
Speaker 2: mean it's a problem now, you know, playoff games look
Speaker 2: like this, and they were nine to zero, you know,
Speaker 2: in their margin for victory. And a lot of these
Speaker 2: games are coming down the But that's how a lot
Speaker 2: of playoff games they're gonna be very equipped and because
Speaker 2: they're coaching, because they're quarterback. But listen, like Buffalo and
Speaker 2: maybe it's Pittsburgh now more than the Ravens, like these
Speaker 2: games like it's there for the taking. Yes, it is
Speaker 2: wide open. Can't we say that it's wide open in
Speaker 2: the AFC? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's funny watching when I
Speaker 1: look at Josh Allen, just take I mean, nobody thinks
Speaker 1: Brady was the most talented quarterback. We all know Marino
Speaker 1: was more talented. Tom gets some you know, seven rings,
Speaker 1: Reno gets none. And Dan had a great coach in
Speaker 1: Don Shula. So we know that winning Super Bowls is
Speaker 1: not just on talent. But if you're asking me the
Speaker 1: most talented quarterback I've ever seen that last touchdown round
Speaker 1: by Josh Allen, there's not three four quarterbacks ever. Maybe
Speaker 1: Steve Young makes that. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: Mahomes can run over two defenders at the goal line.
Speaker 1: Josh is about size, arm Ad libbing pocket. With Lamar,
Speaker 1: he loses in the playoffs and we're like he's a
Speaker 1: different quarterback. We don't say that. With Josh. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he threw for four hundred yards and came up short.
Speaker 1: I'm watching him today. He had one really terrible throw.
Speaker 1: Mahomes had a bad pick early. It's like there's just
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Marino, John Elway, Josh Allen. It's
Speaker 1: a really I mean, Montana and Brady have the rings.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're the most talented quarterbacks, had two
Speaker 1: of the best coaches. I think Josh is the MVP.
Speaker 1: There's just nothing like I can't he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: comp to me.
Speaker 2: Well, think about this of the Internet era. I mean,
Speaker 2: Brady's the best quarterback of all time and Peyton is
Speaker 2: the top five quarterback of all time, and neither one
Speaker 2: was the best most talented quarterback of their era. That
Speaker 2: was Aaron Rodgers right right, But he wouldn't rank ahead
Speaker 2: of either guy. I think, you know, John Elway forever
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, the perfect player because he could move,
Speaker 2: and I think Josh Allen has entered into that because
Speaker 2: part of like the way we talk, they also checked
Speaker 2: all the boxes right work ethic, leader of the team,
Speaker 2: teammates loved him. Monday through Saturday, was fantastic. I said
Speaker 2: it coming into this season, and I stand by it.
Speaker 2: I think he's the second best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And obviously a lot of people come at you like, well,
Speaker 2: Lamar's havn't because he's having a better season up until
Speaker 2: the day than he was last year when he won
Speaker 2: the MVP. Well part of it last year was an
Speaker 2: awful MVP class. And listen, Lamar's also, I don't know,
Speaker 2: one of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen. So but
Speaker 2: the one thing that that he still leaves to be
Speaker 2: desired is playing really well in the lights of the
Speaker 2: brightest those first couple of weeks. Well, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you look at it, and that is not a question
Speaker 2: with Josh, He's been dominant in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: If you look at a time Lamar against Kansas City
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, he's bad. His passer writing's like sixty six.
Speaker 1: Josh is never bad. I mean, he'll have a bad Sunday.
Speaker 1: But I kind of looked at this game and it
Speaker 1: goes to show and we know this in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl last several years, defense as good as Spag's defense is.
Speaker 1: When Josh Allen is running out in the end and
Speaker 1: running over guys, it just doesn't matter what the scheme is.
Speaker 1: The great ones and Josh is an all timer. Elway
Speaker 1: had at one point, I don't know what he ended with,
Speaker 1: like forty four game winning drives in the fourth He
Speaker 1: played some of the best defenses, the great defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: You know, you couldn't stop Kobe or mj or Lebron
Speaker 1: when they wanted it. I just look at Josh and
Speaker 1: he's sort of he's a scheme buster. If he's in,
Speaker 1: if he's got the right components, there's not much you
Speaker 1: can do well.
Speaker 2: He's Cam Newton as a runner because of his power
Speaker 2: in his size, but he's such a dominant passer. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think he has a chance. I mean, he's got
Speaker 2: a long runway the rest of his career to go
Speaker 2: down as one of the better players of all time.
Speaker 2: Now you get to fine, you know, in football, like
Speaker 2: in most pro sports, how you do in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and you know it's not he hasn't lost them games.
Speaker 2: I mean their defense has obviously let them down in
Speaker 2: some playoff games, but the pretty good opportunity this year. Right,
Speaker 2: like the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't scoring many touchdowns. The Ravens
Speaker 2: have a lot of flaws. They just beat the Chiefs. Now,
Speaker 2: home field advantage is very, very big for Buffalo. I
Speaker 2: mean they had it last year and they blew it
Speaker 2: to Kansas City, but they were the favorite in that game.
Speaker 2: Now the Chiefs get the Panthers next week, so they
Speaker 2: still have a one game cushion on the Bills. But
Speaker 2: think about this, you know you live back in the Northeast.
Speaker 2: For a lot of the Brady era, the Bills, I
Speaker 2: would say, at the Internet age before Josh got there
Speaker 2: were mainly a joke. Yeah, I mean they were really,
Speaker 2: really bad. You could look at him a little bit
Speaker 2: like Mahalves is one of the greatest players I've ever
Speaker 2: seen any sport. I'm not diminishing anything he's done. But
Speaker 2: he did take over a team that was winning ten
Speaker 2: to eleven games. He just took them to thirteen fourteen
Speaker 2: a Super Bowls. Right he Josh Allen arrived, This team
Speaker 2: was a joke. You know, it was an embarrassment. So
Speaker 2: was you know, you get more credit. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like just as an individual in a vacuum, Like, that's
Speaker 2: really really impressive what he's done. Same with Sea Dermott
Speaker 2: elevating this franchise because they're like obviously the Chiefs have
Speaker 2: had are much more accomplished. But in terms of rest
Speaker 2: of the league, how many you know, we talked about
Speaker 2: the Ravens, we hold them to such high regard, or
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Steelers haven't won a playoff game in
Speaker 2: close to a decade, right, I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: Bill's success. They are dominating, They're shoeing for their division
Speaker 2: every year, and honestly they're coin flipped of like are
Speaker 2: they going to be the one or two seed every year?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean, and what if Allen gets drafted
Speaker 1: by the Chiefs and Mahomes goes to the Bills. You know,
Speaker 1: A prime example this year, and we'll get to this
Speaker 1: later is bo Knicks. Bo Nix has tearn it up.
Speaker 1: Bow Knicks now has four games completing over seventy percent
Speaker 1: no picks, two touchdowns. That's tied for the greatest rookie
Speaker 1: season accomplishment ever. Well, a huge component to that, about
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of that is Sean Payton. I mean
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams with a defensive coach and the defensive culture,
Speaker 1: the more talented than bo Nicks, so I think. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, I don't think anybody holds it
Speaker 1: over the head of Josh Allen. I think we all
Speaker 1: know Mahomes is great and Andy's helped a lot. And
Speaker 1: I think we all know Josh Allen's great, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have Andy Reid. And I think Sean mcdermot's terrific,
Speaker 1: and I really do. I think Sean McDermott I've compared him.
Speaker 1: You may not remember this much. Chuck Knox, who was
Speaker 1: great everywhere he was at. He was great in Seattle, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: rams won everywhere, just not the postseason. But he was
Speaker 1: meticulous in his details. So Chuck Knox would come into
Speaker 1: your organization, John, and he is like Marty Schottenheimer. He
Speaker 1: would just clean it up, just over and I would
Speaker 1: clean it up. He was like the janitor with a
Speaker 1: headset like he Immediately, your special team's got good, your
Speaker 1: defense got good, you didn't turn the ball over. Then
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer and Chuck Knox and a little bit Sean McDermott
Speaker 1: get too the playoffs and they get outworked they get
Speaker 1: schemed by a great offensive coach. It can be a
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, whoever it is, And I kind of feel
Speaker 1: McDermott is his generations Chuck Knox, great coach, attention to detail,
Speaker 1: tough teams are resilient always in the big games. But
Speaker 1: Chuck Knox, Marty Schottneimer, you're always like they get a
Speaker 1: little conservative in the postseason. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: fair criticism of McDermott. But I'll defend him forever. He's
Speaker 1: a hell of a coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I've known him since I worked for the Eagles.
Speaker 2: You know he's a tightly wound Yeah, very disciplined individual.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I bet if you looked at his breakfast and lunch
Speaker 2: orders for the last fifteen years, they have probably been
Speaker 2: very similar. But Nick Sabans had the same breakfast for
Speaker 2: twenty five years. I mean, these guys, they're very militaristic
Speaker 2: with their actions. I do think Sean looks like he's
Speaker 2: eased up a little bit. And let's face it, he
Speaker 2: made a move what a year and a half ago
Speaker 2: that is paid dividends of the Dorsey Joe Brady thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the AFC like this Chiefs team.
Speaker 2: Now they do get Putchaco back, which is gonna help.
Speaker 2: But Kareem Hunt's been good for them. Yeah, just offensively.
Speaker 2: The Worthy is one hundred and seventy pound rookie, like
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a lot better in a year or
Speaker 2: two than he is now. And Travis, let's face it,
Speaker 2: like the guy that we saw in those playoffs last year,
Speaker 2: which was the Hall of Fame dominant version, I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to go, does that guy still have it
Speaker 2: in him for this stretch run? Maybe he does, but
Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't. And I think health. If the Bills
Speaker 2: are healthy on offense, because you add Coleman the rookie,
Speaker 2: you add Amari Cooper, if Kncaine's healthy, their running game
Speaker 2: clearly is a lot better. I mean that's yes. You've
Speaker 2: been hammering this all that balance of their team control
Speaker 2: the clock. I mean at one point in time headed
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, it was basically a one to
Speaker 2: one ratio of time and possession. It was like these
Speaker 2: two teams were equal, which the Bills couldn't play that style.
Speaker 2: I felt like two years ago of what Andy Reid
Speaker 2: has morphed himself into because he's had to, like they
Speaker 2: said today on the broadcast Kareem Hunt, since he showed up.
Speaker 2: The only guy in the league that had more carries
Speaker 2: in Kareem Hunt was Dereck Henry. Andy Reid's known for
Speaker 2: passing it too much. Right, he brings his old buddy
Speaker 2: off the street because he has no choice. That their
Speaker 2: passing game, that their offensive line and pass protection is
Speaker 2: not great. And the one thing I would say, Mahomes
Speaker 2: has some historic runs, like individual runs, but he's not
Speaker 2: as like dynamic of a runo right now. And that's
Speaker 2: an element. Remember Josh last year in the playoffs was
Speaker 2: awesome against the Chiefs today, Like he's given them more
Speaker 2: fits as a runner than Lamar has, which is somewhat ironic, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that playoff game last year is like Lamar
Speaker 2: takeoff run around. The Chiefs are vulnerable that way because
Speaker 2: they're dbs. While great cover guys, you know, they're not
Speaker 2: exactly you know, Cam Chanceller's back there. Josh runs right
Speaker 2: through them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, the Bill's more total yards, first down,
Speaker 1: time of possession not necessarily close. By the end of
Speaker 1: the game, they came out more aggressive. I think you
Speaker 1: know it's I think you started this off by saying
Speaker 1: Buffalo does be Kansas City, not in late January and February,
Speaker 1: right Like, that's and that's where we judge you. But
Speaker 1: if you said to your if you said right now,
Speaker 1: in the last five years, who's the best team in
Speaker 1: the league, we would all say Kansas City. Who's second best?
Speaker 1: We would probably have to say San Francisco and Buffalo.
Speaker 1: And by the way, neither has a ring. It's it's
Speaker 1: a little Phil Mickelson and Tigers Prime. It's a little
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings in the Lakers, Kobe and Chack. So I
Speaker 1: think I kind of felt good the Bill's winning today.
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, this is a really great team. They're
Speaker 1: the AFC San Francisco. The difference is the one area
Speaker 1: they've always been greatest quarterback. There have been other issues
Speaker 1: the O line, you know, the secondary and a couple
Speaker 1: of these matchups has been banged up. They're receiving cores
Speaker 1: a little banged up today, but they go on to win.
Speaker 1: And what was I think that?
Speaker 2: I think that Amari Cooper moved for them just balances
Speaker 2: them out a little too, because it felt like they
Speaker 2: had become more run heavy. Yeah, now you know Mari's
Speaker 2: you know, battling through a little wrist injury, had an
Speaker 2: awesome catch over the top, Shakir the Boise State kids,
Speaker 2: awesome over the middle. Coleman's just a big body, red
Speaker 2: zone target. Their tight end when healthy is obviously a
Speaker 2: good player. And then the josh running like the Bills,
Speaker 2: like their offense is pretty complete if everyone's healthy, which
Speaker 2: is obviously the big question for any anful team. And
Speaker 2: their defense, like you said, well coached, and their past
Speaker 2: rushes good.
Speaker 1: How about this, they have good pass rushers. So Brady
Speaker 1: dominated Peyton Manning in the early years of their rivalry
Speaker 1: and then at the end, and then at the end
Speaker 1: Peyton did pretty well. And I kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: oh six, it flipped a little bit. It flipped, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, you know, you start looking at
Speaker 1: that you look at that Buffalo roster, and you're like,
Speaker 1: their defense isn't as good as Kansas City, but shit,
Speaker 1: Buffalo's got weapons. I mean they got number one receivers,
Speaker 1: two tight ends, three receivers. I Like, it's like, are
Speaker 1: we going to get a little flip of the script.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 1: Generally how it works, maybe not in golf. For tennis,
Speaker 1: where a Jokovic can dominate. You know, guys get into
Speaker 1: their prime. But you know Brady at the end, you
Speaker 1: know Peyton at Indy, Peyton goes to Denver, You're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got better players.
Speaker 2: I would say the one thing with these AFC teams
Speaker 2: probably more than the NFC, though Detroit clearly tough wherever
Speaker 2: they're playing, but at home because of the you know,
Speaker 2: the Dome. Whoever gets the home field and whoever has
Speaker 2: home field, whether even if it's the two to three
Speaker 2: matchup in the second round, I mean, these are massive
Speaker 2: home field advantages, right Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Buffalo, Like that's
Speaker 2: that's the difference, Like you felt it today and honestly
Speaker 2: you felt it in that playoff game. I bet on
Speaker 2: Buffalo last year in the playoffs because I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is a perfect spot for what's halfway through You're feeling good,
Speaker 2: you know, in Kansas City, like you said it just
Speaker 2: they just went on that Jordan Tiger like run. Like, listen,
Speaker 2: you would be crazy to ever bet against Mahomes and Andy.
Speaker 2: But Belichick lost to Rex Ryan in a playoff. It
Speaker 2: happens he lost to Denver. You don't win it. Everybody Honestly,
Speaker 2: it's borerline impossible to win back to back? Aren't they
Speaker 2: the first team to do it since the early two thousands?
Speaker 1: Nobody, I mean think nobody's ever done it three times.
Speaker 1: And I grew up with a Steelers who had like
Speaker 1: nine Hall of Famers and eventually the Shula or the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Somebody knocks you off. It's the way it works.
Speaker 2: Somebody, I mean Walsh in Montana only went back to
Speaker 2: back one time. Hell, they only I think ever got
Speaker 2: back to back Super Bowls one time.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this game is fascinating. Pittsburgh eighteen Baltimore sixteen. So Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh played a cleaner, more boring game, but the Ravens
Speaker 1: had twelve penalties, they lost two fumbles, they made more mistakes,
Speaker 1: and once again, God, the Ravens switch identity, so they
Speaker 1: were running fifty two percent of the time this year.
Speaker 1: Baltimore in this game thirty three passes, just nineteen runs
Speaker 1: and the entire game was a one possession game. And
Speaker 1: it felt like again, they did this in the playoffs
Speaker 1: last year. Baltimore gets pass happy in these big spots
Speaker 1: and they I mean, let me look it up here.
Speaker 1: Tarrick Henry had sixty five yards. It's like, guys, you
Speaker 1: can pass, but your identity is you're slightly run centric,
Speaker 1: not run centric, you're run leaning. Today. Did they do
Speaker 1: this in a playoff game? I'm like, well, you're within
Speaker 1: a possession. It's almost like they panicked a little.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I actually thought early in
Speaker 2: the game, when Tucker had missed multiple field goals and
Speaker 2: they fumbled on their first drive and the Steelers were
Speaker 2: only up seven to six with a little time remaining
Speaker 2: in the first half. I'm like, this is not gonna
Speaker 2: be good because they're gonna come alive. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: Lamar kind of looks like a different player against them.
Speaker 2: I mean he has been. He is so much better
Speaker 2: I think this year, I mean for that stretch the
Speaker 2: last five or six weeks, than he was even last year.
Speaker 2: I mean, statistically, he's on a different planet. And then
Speaker 2: you're watching them to day, You're like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: he's just frenetic. He's now. Obviously, their pass rush is good. TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt throws them off even when he's breaking the tackles.
Speaker 2: But they were a flawed dominant team because defensively they
Speaker 2: really struggled to defend the pass Baltimore. But when their
Speaker 2: offense is going to hit the skids to lose to
Speaker 2: a team and I get it, this is your Biddle rivalry,
Speaker 2: and the statistics of these two teams playing. It's determined
Speaker 2: over the course of I think, like the last ten
Speaker 2: games by like a plus minus margin of a couple points.
Speaker 2: But the Steelers did not score a touchdown and you
Speaker 2: guys weren't ever really have a chance, you know, But
Speaker 2: like you said, the score, sometimes offensive coordinators get away
Speaker 2: from the run, even when if you're watching the game,
Speaker 2: you feel one team's in control. But there's a difference
Speaker 2: of being in control, like the Detroit Lions today when
Speaker 2: they're up thirty five to six, right, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's a difference of like you're only down twelve
Speaker 2: to seven. Here, let's take it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Russell had a terrible pick in the end zone.
Speaker 1: He could worst.
Speaker 2: Pick, worst throw of the day. I'd say that I
Speaker 2: saw terrible.
Speaker 1: He was only twenty three or thirty six. Rus Neither
Speaker 1: quarterback played well. Russell didn't play well. Najie Harris three
Speaker 1: point five yards are run. So now, George Pickens and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, this is where you really have to credit Russell,
Speaker 1: Wilson and Arthur Smith. That thing is a real relationship.
Speaker 1: Now it's a top five like combo thing in the league.
Speaker 1: Right now, Pickens and Russell Wilson eight catches, eleven and
Speaker 1: a half yards of catch like it's a thing. But
Speaker 1: Russell didn't. If I'm the Steelers, I'm like, we didn't
Speaker 1: play very well. It was Russell's worst game. He had
Speaker 1: probably the worst interception he's had in years. We didn't
Speaker 1: score a touchdown, but you just said something. There is
Speaker 1: something about Lamar. Now is four and twelve against Kansas
Speaker 1: City and Pittsburgh, with more turnovers and touchdowns. It's not
Speaker 1: that he's losing. It's okay if you lose. He is
Speaker 1: a different player against the Chiefs and against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: And my takeaway with him is the more you face Lamar,
Speaker 1: the easier it gets. This is why he's so dominant
Speaker 1: against the NFC. It's almost like, you know, it's like dominates.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even fair. It's like Superman.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's like in a weird way, it's
Speaker 1: like facing a knuckleball pitcher, like in his prime, the
Speaker 1: late Tim Wakefield. If you never faced a great knuckleball pitcher,
Speaker 1: you don't know what the hell it is like. You
Speaker 1: just don't. There's like one in the league at any
Speaker 1: one time. And then if all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: faced a knuckleball pitcher four to five times a year,
Speaker 1: you get you get around on it. And I feel
Speaker 1: like with Lamar, I remember talking to Tom to LESCo
Speaker 1: when he was the Chargers GM and they played him
Speaker 1: I was at the game they played him at you
Speaker 1: know that soccer stadium and lost. Then they played him
Speaker 1: the second time in the playoffs and one, and he
Speaker 1: just said he's so much faster in person than he
Speaker 1: is on film, Like you can't your players, you play
Speaker 1: him and then you're like, okay, okay, we really can't
Speaker 1: get away with that. We wondered if we could. So
Speaker 1: it's like, listen, Pittsburgh has his number.
Speaker 2: Well, I would say over the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: going back to last year, most teams a step on
Speaker 2: the field with Baltimore are inferior, and there's an intimidation factor. Yes,
Speaker 2: and there are definitely two teams. I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: that game today had a couple of moments where you
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna get like a nineties throwback, like
Speaker 2: the brawl on the field, which was it was refreshing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like these teams, you know in
Speaker 2: a day and age where everyone's buddies, they all go
Speaker 2: on each other's podcast. You're like, this just feels like
Speaker 2: the NFL I grew up on, where it's like this,
Speaker 2: these two teams hate each other. Pittsburgh is not intimidated
Speaker 2: by him at all. Like you said, they understand his speed.
Speaker 2: They also like do a pretty good job of corralling him.
Speaker 2: I mean, their teams speed is fantastic. TJ. Watson dominant player.
Speaker 2: I just think for whatever reason, there is just not
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're you're gonna roll us. And I think
Speaker 2: the Bills have that against Kansas City, where there's an
Speaker 2: intimidation factor of the moment you start warming up and
Speaker 2: you see the other color jersey, you know.
Speaker 1: And I really noticed it when Baltimore went for two.
Speaker 1: So Lamar Jackson going for two is like feels about
Speaker 1: his I mean, honestly, it's it's about as safe a
Speaker 1: bet in the league for two.
Speaker 2: And they run that play a lot where he starts
Speaker 2: running and he gets in easily. I've seen it ten times.
Speaker 1: It's insane, and I'm thinking, but Pittsburgh has seen it
Speaker 1: so many times. When the ball was snapped that you
Speaker 1: could have run a dive play. They didn't care. They
Speaker 1: had nine of their eleven players on the edge. They're like,
Speaker 1: we know in lateral, we know what you're gonna Donna,
Speaker 1: You're gonna go You're not gonna go at us, You're
Speaker 1: gonna go to the side and I thought that two
Speaker 1: point conversion. I'm like because I kept thinking, oh boy,
Speaker 1: they don't even buy the fake. They don't even care
Speaker 1: about the fullback on the field. They know it's Lamar
Speaker 1: on the edges.
Speaker 2: One concerning thing for Pittsburgh, who obviously is right there
Speaker 2: with Buffalo. I mean, the record's fantastic. What are they
Speaker 2: eight and two after a day? So you got two
Speaker 2: eight and two teams and nine to one team and
Speaker 2: that loss to the Raiders now for Baltimore is a
Speaker 2: pretty big swing loss because now they got four losses.
Speaker 2: When they throw the ball outside the numbers and he
Speaker 2: throws the deep, he's good at it right. Russell's comfortable
Speaker 2: thrown to Pickens. I would say any rollout to they
Speaker 2: have a good connection. But when there has to be
Speaker 2: something a little more quick hitting, he held the ball
Speaker 2: a couple times and he got sacked. It's like it's
Speaker 2: kind of a feast for famine, and against the Ravens,
Speaker 2: it's harder to just I think Najee Harris has really
Speaker 2: resurrected his career. I think he looks a lot better
Speaker 2: this season than he has most of his career. Jalen
Speaker 2: Warren's a good player, but you're not just gonna gash
Speaker 2: them for one hundred and fifty yards because I mean,
Speaker 2: they were I think they are the best statistical run
Speaker 2: defense coming in the league, or definitely, I mean this
Speaker 2: this week. One of them is you know, Russell can
Speaker 2: be had if you can just neutralize their deep passing
Speaker 2: game because he's he will hold on to the ball.
Speaker 2: And a couple of times he had some bad sacks
Speaker 2: where I thought, bro, you got to get rid of this,
Speaker 2: and it could have cost him. But they were lucky.
Speaker 2: The Ravens just had noe. The Ravens looked off they've had.
Speaker 2: It's weird because when you watch them, when they're right
Speaker 2: on offense, it looks like one of the greatest offenses
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. But in some of these games, it's
Speaker 2: just like they got a little like Lsu Brian Kelly
Speaker 2: thing going on. You're like, things are just a little
Speaker 2: out of whack. Yeah, it's like a ton of good players.
Speaker 2: I'd want ninety percent of their roster, But you watch
Speaker 2: them today, You're like, and maybe it's Pittsburgh. I've seen
Speaker 2: him play inferior teams with being off It's weird.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Let's I want to go back
Speaker 1: to the thing you said about Russell Wilson that that
Speaker 1: was the knock that I think Sean Payton really had
Speaker 1: on Russell is that Sean would diagram plays that were
Speaker 1: over the middle and Russell would hold it and there
Speaker 1: would be a sack, and Sean in the offensive line
Speaker 1: would be blamed. This was a knock Pete sack four
Speaker 1: times a day. Yeah, And that was a knock Pete
Speaker 1: Carolyn john Snyder had is that people kept banging on
Speaker 1: the Seahawks offensive line and Pete privately, I was told
Speaker 1: this for a couple of years, like, hey, those are
Speaker 1: those balls are being schemed up, those plays are open.
Speaker 1: That's been the knock on Russell Wilson is that he's
Speaker 1: very successful deep ball, the lollipop, the rainbow. He's very
Speaker 1: good rolling, and he's not a guy that turns the
Speaker 1: ball over much. Some of that's it's a little Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in his prime. He'd rather take a hit or
Speaker 1: a throwaway, throw a pick. So that's not the worst thing.
Speaker 1: But when you say that that has been the knock
Speaker 1: on him, I know through Sean Payton was he holds
Speaker 1: the ball, those are diagram and I think we have
Speaker 1: to be honest about this. Sometimes it's a hype thing.
Speaker 1: It is he just you know, left tackle six or seven.
Speaker 2: I feel like most of Purdy's interceptions are a large
Speaker 2: percentage of them are tip balls. And when you're shorter,
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes Caleb, what did he do better today?
Speaker 2: Get on the move, get outside when you're not six
Speaker 2: foot three, it's just basic math. How are you seeing
Speaker 2: over guys that are six foot five? The thing with Russell, like,
Speaker 2: I think we have to acknowledge. Now Pittsburgh's eight and two,
Speaker 2: I would say high percentage they're gonna win the division.
Speaker 2: And now it's gonna be like, hey, can they take
Speaker 2: on Kansas City and Buffalo and well, both those two
Speaker 2: teams have good pass rushes, so can they? And obviously
Speaker 2: Spagnola and McDermott are to the top defensive guys. If
Speaker 2: they can neutralize some of those lollipop throws, can Russell
Speaker 2: pick them apart? Because especially Kansas City, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: hard to run it on them. You're not just gonna
Speaker 2: be able to probably run for one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: yards in a playoff game. You know you play today
Speaker 2: like that score? I mean all they kicked the fuel goals.
Speaker 2: They didn't score a touchdown? Right, So could you beat
Speaker 2: Buffalo because that's where now Pittsburgh separated of Like you're
Speaker 2: eight and two? Can you beat those teams? I would
Speaker 2: still have reservation? Yes, Now could Your defense would just
Speaker 2: have to have one of those games where they pick
Speaker 2: Allen or pick a yes, two or three times, maybe
Speaker 2: a strip sack. But I don't know if that offense
Speaker 2: that we witnessed today can beat those two teams without
Speaker 2: being a little more like you said, I mean explosive
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field, which is not his thing.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do it. It's not his style of offense.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move to Packers blocking a kick to
Speaker 1: win out played by the Bears twenty to nineteen. Packers
Speaker 1: beat the Bears. They've now won eleven straight for Chicago.
Speaker 1: Part of that is good. Good franchises win games they shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Bad franchises lose games they should win. The Bears dominate
Speaker 1: time of possession thirty six minutes to twenty three. They're
Speaker 1: great on third down. Caleb Williams nine rushes twenty three
Speaker 1: to thirty one, played pretty well, one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: yards rushing and they lost. My takeaway in this game though,
Speaker 1: even though they lost and there were those that defended
Speaker 1: Shane Waldron, two things the Bear just did today that
Speaker 1: they didn't do with Shane Waldron. They got the ball
Speaker 1: out really quick, and they got Caleb layups. They schemed layups.
Speaker 1: I've said this, Sean Payton does this to bow Nicks.
Speaker 1: He gets seven completions to ten completions a Sunday that
Speaker 1: are just let's get him going okay, and then and
Speaker 1: then bowl will complete another eighteen or sixteen. But he
Speaker 1: gets some ten, he gets some easy rollout stuff. They
Speaker 1: were not doing this. I mean, you and I were
Speaker 1: banging on this for a month. I thought the Bears
Speaker 1: quick layups, get a rhythm. I thought they did a
Speaker 1: really good job forget the score for a second in
Speaker 1: the outcome. I did think Chicago's offense looked a little dynamic.
Speaker 1: It looked like, oh, that's how you should play a
Speaker 1: young quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought it was a big, big
Speaker 2: step forward for Caleb. Yeah. Was had one of the
Speaker 2: shittier three week stretches you're gonna see. Listen, you should
Speaker 2: throw a quick screen to Dj Moore minimum on once
Speaker 2: a quarter down and they started doing that. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: novel concept. Yeah, you know, a guy that can break tackles,
Speaker 2: is physical, you know, getting a guy on the move.
Speaker 2: What were they saying basketball? Right when your shots not falling,
Speaker 2: get to the rim, get foul, get some easy stuff,
Speaker 2: get some get a layup, or get get some free
Speaker 2: throws to get your rhythm back, and you get him
Speaker 2: some easy layups. What did that bring out? That brought
Speaker 2: out the kleb that everyone had the hype on, because
Speaker 2: the guy we have seen the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: it's like, where's his confidence? Why is he just sitting
Speaker 2: in the pocket? Become a playmaker? And today I wrote
Speaker 2: down this. He started making plays. Yeah, with his legs,
Speaker 2: not even just running, but running to throw, which is
Speaker 2: a huge element of his game. He's not He's never
Speaker 2: gonna sit in the pocket like Jared Goff or Peyton
Speaker 2: Manning or Philip rip That's not gonna be his game.
Speaker 2: His game is going to be playmaking on the move
Speaker 2: using his arm. And whatever they did, they look dramatically better.
Speaker 2: I mean they he looked like a player. I mean
Speaker 2: I was starting to get a little worried. Same say
Speaker 2: and sometimes in football, clearly coaching whatever they were telling him,
Speaker 2: whether they were just like getting in his head and
Speaker 2: he was playing almost too conservative because that's what it
Speaker 2: felt like, and it started snowballing the wrong way. You went, oh,
Speaker 2: I see you watch him and Jordan Love on the
Speaker 2: same field at the same time, Like, Okay, this guy
Speaker 2: can be a really good player. I don't know the
Speaker 2: hype ever be like the top player in the league,
Speaker 2: but like, this guy could be a top ten quarterback. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: but his style is going to be specific to moving
Speaker 2: around and if you just ask him three to five
Speaker 2: step drop in the pocket all day long, it's not
Speaker 2: gonna be his style of offense. And today, honestly it's
Speaker 2: you're firing your coach, like you're not making the playoffs anyway,
Speaker 2: I would say at the end of the day, like
Speaker 2: that sucks to be a Bears fan. That individual moment,
Speaker 2: but big picture in a couple of years, help your
Speaker 2: draft pick. I mean, it's what was this actually going
Speaker 2: to do if you want to lose? It was obviously
Speaker 2: a huge moment for the Packers. I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: huge swing game, but it's not the end of the
Speaker 2: world that you got the field goal block.
Speaker 1: It's interesting off of By now, the Packers averaged almost,
Speaker 1: you know, eight and a half yards play, so they're
Speaker 1: an explosive offense, no question. But it is pretty clear.
Speaker 1: You watch Buffalo in Kansas City, you watch Detroit. I
Speaker 1: no longer classify San Francisco. We'll get to this in
Speaker 1: a minute or two. But I mean there are three
Speaker 1: or three teams in this league that just are different.
Speaker 1: And I think Buffalo, Kansas City, and Detroit right now
Speaker 1: they just look different than everybody else. Baltimore can, but
Speaker 1: in big spots they don't live up to it. But
Speaker 1: I think Green Bay feels like they're a year away.
Speaker 1: They're still young, you know. I like Jordan Love a lot.
Speaker 1: He was thirteen to seventeen touchdown pick off of Bye.
Speaker 1: He was Okay, I think you're gonna my take on
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. He's always been more far than Rogers. He's
Speaker 1: just more reckless. He is also more dynamic. But I
Speaker 1: think you're going to have to live with someone. Jordan
Speaker 1: loves mistakes because he's becoming what he was in college.
Speaker 1: If you just watched two minutes of his best on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you're like, this is one of the best players I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. But when I look at Jordan Love, I'm
Speaker 1: like he he goes off script a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think Matt Lafleur allows it and knows what he has.
Speaker 1: But I think, as a Packer fan, like FARV. He's
Speaker 1: not FARV obviously, but he has some FARV. There's some
Speaker 1: FARV in him, and I understand why they picked him.
Speaker 1: They moved up, they liked him. But when I watch him,
Speaker 1: do you ever feel with him he's going to drive
Speaker 1: Packer fans crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean he had an awful pick today where
Speaker 2: it sailed on him in the red zone. Yes, bad, bad,
Speaker 2: you know Rogers. For most of his career with McCarthy,
Speaker 2: one knock was always like the run game sucked and
Speaker 2: beside like a little moment with Eddie Lacy, they did
Speaker 2: not have a great running game for most of his prime.
Speaker 2: But it didn't matter, right, I mean, he was rattling
Speaker 2: off MVPs. This guy's going to be more dependent on
Speaker 2: a back, partly because it just helps any young quarterback
Speaker 2: and partly because it takes a little prey off, like
Speaker 2: we don't really want you throwing it forty times in
Speaker 2: all these games because you are liable to make a miss. Yes,
Speaker 2: where Aaron Rodgers could just turn in like I can.
Speaker 2: I'll throw it forty seven times a day and I
Speaker 2: won't DV won't touch a ball that will never be
Speaker 2: this player. But they're wide receiver room. I mean, when
Speaker 2: Watson's hamstring's healthy, how good is that guy? You know?
Speaker 2: The Tucker's good, I mean they are. I thought, for
Speaker 2: the most part, he's pretty good today, like I thought
Speaker 2: you had a pretty same He's also just been banged up,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's just going to be something that follows
Speaker 2: his career.
Speaker 1: The way he plays, That's what I thought. When I
Speaker 1: watched the game plan today. I thought Chicago came out aggressive, smart,
Speaker 1: Caleb quick, get rid of the ball. I really was
Speaker 1: watching them Bears all day. I thought the Bears are
Speaker 1: the better team almost most of the day. I do
Speaker 1: think there's something to be said about the Chiefs. A
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago against Denver, the Packers blocking the kick.
Speaker 1: This is what coaching and execution do. You see these
Speaker 1: little moments in games, and I think that's coaching and execution.
Speaker 1: It's not luck. But I felt with Green Bay watching
Speaker 1: him today, it was Chicago's it was it was really
Speaker 1: an urgent performance needed by Chicago. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like man overboard. If they came
Speaker 1: out and looked like shit today, you'd be like, we
Speaker 1: got real problems. And I thought, and you could sense
Speaker 1: that in the game. You to me. When I watched
Speaker 1: the game, I felt there was a sense of absolute
Speaker 1: urgency by Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think, you know, you get to
Speaker 2: this level. It's a public job, but I think any
Speaker 2: human can relate, Like when your back's really against the wall, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you really got two options. You can either fold and
Speaker 2: melt or kind of just drop your nuts and you know,
Speaker 2: start swinging back. And that's I honestly that's what they
Speaker 2: did today. Because I would say this week people started
Speaker 2: questioning literally everything before I was like, oh, the coaching,
Speaker 2: It's like, well, do you guys think Caleb sucks your defense?
Speaker 2: You guys just quit? Hey, wide receivers, are you just
Speaker 2: over it? And it's this game. You know, if this
Speaker 2: was in Green Bay, I would have a little more
Speaker 2: I was. I understand they're coming off a bye, but
Speaker 2: this is on a road game in Chicago. They're basically
Speaker 2: fighting for their or respectability. Like they're not fighting for
Speaker 2: the playoffs or anything. But they got a lot of
Speaker 2: high priced guys. Yeah right, he now makes a lot.
Speaker 2: DJ Moore makes a lot. DJ Moore start getting called
Speaker 2: out like are you just quitting on Caleb? And to me,
Speaker 2: I thought Dj Moore and Caleb uh just showed a
Speaker 2: lot of like competitive fight today. I thought Caleb honestly
Speaker 2: showed a lot of fight because I was not man
Speaker 2: overboard on them, but I was like, I would take
Speaker 2: Drake May, I would take j B Neck like this guy,
Speaker 2: this guy might like got bust territory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, meantimes.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe Shane Waldron just stinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the Bears had more total yards, they were
Speaker 1: better on third and fourth down, dominated time of possession.
Speaker 1: So when you watch the game today, sometimes the better team,
Speaker 1: at least on a Sunday loses, and I thought Chicago today,
Speaker 1: my feeling was they were more aggressive, they dominate time
Speaker 1: of possession. It's you know, we'd say this about once
Speaker 1: a month a team loses a game and you're like
Speaker 1: that kind of almost felt like a win big picture.
Speaker 2: What happened. It happened to Denver last week, same scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 2: play them, you had a feel goal to win it,
Speaker 2: it gets blocked, but you feel good. Now. The difference
Speaker 2: is like Denver than immediately parlayed that in the day,
Speaker 2: Chicago this might be like this is just kind of over.
Speaker 2: You know, Denver still had a lot to play for.
Speaker 2: But I think if Chicago's record was just maybe a
Speaker 2: game or two better, yeah, I think they could parlay
Speaker 2: this into some momentum where it's like, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: know how I feel about them moving forward, though, I
Speaker 2: would say if Caleb plays like this as a playmaker,
Speaker 2: scrambling around, they become a much more potent opponent to
Speaker 2: the Lions and the Vikings and the good teams. And
Speaker 2: they play the forty nine ers like they're not a
Speaker 2: lock to lose all these games. If they're going to
Speaker 2: play like that today with the.
Speaker 1: Offense, time to look at this weekend's Tasius matchup Sunday
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Speaker 1: game needs to be discussed, and I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Aaron Rodgers, but Colts
Speaker 1: twenty eight Jets twenty seven. So Anthony Richardson came out
Speaker 1: and again there was a time in a mayor you
Speaker 1: could bench a quarterback and it was not a headline story.
Speaker 1: They bench him for a couple of games. He comes back.
Speaker 1: I thought he was very self aware. Today, twenty of
Speaker 1: thirty Anthony Richards in two hundred and seventy two yards,
Speaker 1: ten rushes. Again, Colts dominate time of possession. I thought
Speaker 1: Anthony great first and at eight almost double the first
Speaker 1: down the Jets did. So let's just start with this
Speaker 1: before we go to Aaron Rodgers. I honestly thought you
Speaker 1: saw a little Shane Steichen, you saw a more mature quarterback.
Speaker 1: He made a couple of big seam throws today he
Speaker 1: made some really nice throws and again he was benched.
Speaker 1: It was appropriate. They gave Joe Flacco, you know, a run.
Speaker 1: Joe looks kind of washed. But I've been saying this
Speaker 1: for a week. I liked the Colts personnel. They're one
Speaker 1: of those most of the time I look at a
Speaker 1: team and I think, you know, there's something I like,
Speaker 1: something I don't like. It's not that I don't like
Speaker 1: Anthony Richards. And because I watched today and I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the more dynamic of the two quarterbacks. He's the
Speaker 1: our quarterback on the field today. There's a question of
Speaker 1: it not even close. But my take is the benching
Speaker 1: people freak out, but it happens. It happens in high school,
Speaker 1: college and the pros we get very sensitive now that
Speaker 1: we don't. But the kid is small town kid. One
Speaker 1: starting year at Florida hurt a lot of last year.
Speaker 1: I watched that game and I thought, well, if this
Speaker 1: is what I get with, Anthony Richards said I could
Speaker 1: live with that. You could wait games with that.
Speaker 2: You know. I think that that moment when he tapped
Speaker 2: his head was so polarizing, and then he made it worse.
Speaker 2: I think with his comments after the game, and clearly
Speaker 2: the teammates they had no choice but to Benjamin. I
Speaker 2: did think his comments this week of saying like, this
Speaker 2: is my job, but I have to play well or
Speaker 2: I will get yanked again showed a little self awareness. Yes,
Speaker 2: and there were some articles that I think they had.
Speaker 2: You know, Kenny Moore said, this captain sat down with them, listen.
Speaker 2: This is some humans need guidance just because they played
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, not defensive line, any other position and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be that weird. There were moments today. There
Speaker 2: was a fumble caused on on a blitz by Anthony
Speaker 2: Rigson led to a Jets touchdown that I thought it
Speaker 2: kind of started to unravel on the on the Colts,
Speaker 2: I would say three weeks ago. The Colts lose that
Speaker 2: game and fall apart. On the game winning drive, Richardson
Speaker 2: hits a play down the sideline. Yes, it's like he
Speaker 2: didn't melt. That's right, And I just wonder sometimes you
Speaker 2: get to take a deep breath the other thing, if
Speaker 2: you get it. I don't know if you saw it,
Speaker 2: but on the Colts posted out after in the locker
Speaker 2: room as he's walking in all every guy in the
Speaker 2: locker room screaming, chanting his name, screaming, framed it. So
Speaker 2: I think there was and he and he like, no, no, no, listen.
Speaker 2: Sometimes as a young player, it's really difficult. He made
Speaker 2: an awful decision and he paid a price for he
Speaker 2: was benched, and then today he came out and let's
Speaker 2: fake it. I mean the Jets stink, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: the Jets stink. But obviously he had some great moments.
Speaker 2: He had an awesome touchdown, he had a couple, he
Speaker 2: had some great throws, but he also had some disastrous
Speaker 2: fumble He lost one of them. And he didn't just
Speaker 2: melt and go into the tank. So I think from
Speaker 2: a maturity standpoint, like there's there's no disputing there's a
Speaker 2: ton to work with there. Like he's never gonna be
Speaker 2: Drew Brees or Steve No, somebody is right.
Speaker 1: No, but boy, you go you get.
Speaker 2: But can he play some version of Cam Newton Josh
Speaker 2: Allen just running guys over, making some big plays like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he shows it when he's playing well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the red zone. He's a handful dude.
Speaker 1: He is a he's just a big guy.
Speaker 2: Well because the difference like that Lamar two point play.
Speaker 2: Lamar is not gonna run guys over. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 2: gonna beat you with speed Anthony Richards and he gets
Speaker 2: you one on one like Cam back in the day,
Speaker 2: you are going backwards. Yeah, he's winning. Josh does it
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah. And then the other guy. You know,
Speaker 2: one thing I wrote down today because I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's not even a top fifteen quarterback. And
Speaker 2: then I started doing I was like Aaron Rodgers not
Speaker 2: even a top twenty five quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Listen, because I think the only.
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks today did you watch you went that team, like
Speaker 2: Will Levis. I mean, it's a short list of teams
Speaker 2: that like, yeah, we'd take Aeron over all. Again, No,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a very short list.
Speaker 1: And Aaron's twenty to twenty nine, and you think, oh,
Speaker 1: he plays pretty well, doesn't really throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field a lot. All it's Derek Carr. I mean
Speaker 1: even the Saints pulled Derek Car for Taysom Hill to
Speaker 1: be more dynamic. I mean, Aaron his winning percentage of
Speaker 1: the Jets is twenty seven percent. Sam Donalder Sam Donald
Speaker 1: was thirty four percent, Zach Wilson was thirty six percent. So,
Speaker 1: because I've been so critical of Aaron through the years,
Speaker 1: anytime I said this a month ago, I said, guys,
Speaker 1: not the coaching. Slaw is your best coach. This is
Speaker 1: a big mistake. It's not the coaching, it's not the
Speaker 1: young players. DeVante Adams is not worth half a point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I farv was eight and three with
Speaker 1: the Jets left and had one of the great years.
Speaker 1: Remember he was like thirty three touchdowns, eight picks or
Speaker 1: something in Minnesota. Insane, incredible, one of the best years.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a bad He's a bad interception across
Speaker 2: his body from them going.
Speaker 1: To superaw Aaron's three and eight and looks like an
Speaker 1: old man. And we look at Farb's tenure in New
Speaker 1: York and thinks what a shit show. No No. I
Speaker 1: talked to Eric Mangini about this. Like Brett was eight
Speaker 1: and three, he brought a huge energy to New York
Speaker 1: and had a lot left in the tank. Aaron has
Speaker 1: never been known as the hardest worker in the off season.
Speaker 1: He just hasn't been. He has a little like a
Speaker 1: little like Cam and that he was given God given
Speaker 1: talent and wasn't known as a grinder. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like Cam would joke that he sat and ate pretzels
Speaker 1: during film movies. I put on twenty five pound pretzel. Wait,
Speaker 1: Aaron doesn't do that. But Aaron is not a grinder
Speaker 1: in the off season. And you know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this today. I wrote it down. John. You can
Speaker 1: tell how hard somebody works by how they age. I
Speaker 1: don't need to see Lebron James off seasons or Kobe Bryant's.
Speaker 1: I can see how gracefully and slowly they aged. I
Speaker 1: can look at Big Ben and go he had fun
Speaker 1: in the offseason. Like he had a good time. I
Speaker 1: can look at Cam now I look at Aaron and
Speaker 1: I'm like John, he's aging really really fast, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is God gave him talent,
Speaker 1: he cultivated it. He deserves credit. But you go to
Speaker 1: that last year in Green Bay where he was off
Speaker 1: go the year before that MVP, what was that twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one wasn't that long ago?
Speaker 2: There was a throw today over the middle early in
Speaker 2: that game where Garrett Wilson was open and he threw
Speaker 2: it way behind him. I mean, this guy was like,
Speaker 2: you know, a Navy seal sniper in terms of accuracy,
Speaker 2: because like Peyton Mann or Tom Brady. I guess Tom
Speaker 2: had a good arm. But like the Peyton types, you know,
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers, guys that Matt Rye hung their hat on accuracy,
Speaker 2: Aaron was just as accurate. But he threw ten miles
Speaker 2: an hour faster, right, so he could wait till the
Speaker 2: last second. And now he's not accurate inside the pocket
Speaker 2: like he once was. The movement, you know, part of
Speaker 2: his game. I would say the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: I guess we didn't really get a chance to see
Speaker 2: him last year, but that last year in Greenback, he
Speaker 2: wasn't as dynamic and his accurate accuracy didn't quite feel
Speaker 2: as great as it was in the MVP year. And clearly,
Speaker 2: you know, when you get thirty nine, thirty forty years old,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be as fast as you were thirty three.
Speaker 2: So he was never gonna be as fast. But the
Speaker 2: Achilles thing, I don't see how we could even debate
Speaker 2: like it is if he was a video game and
Speaker 2: his speed before, Like if Lamar's a ten out of ten,
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron's like a seven or an eight, you
Speaker 2: know in his heyday. Yeah, he's like a three right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he can't move, but his whole game his like Jared
Speaker 2: Goff can't run. Let's use Cousins a good example. I
Speaker 2: know they had a shitty game today. Cousins kind of
Speaker 2: unfazed by the Achilles because he never left a two
Speaker 2: or three yard radius. Yeah, Aaron Rodd half of his
Speaker 2: game was at any moment's notice, I'll take off, keep
Speaker 2: a play alive that is dead. And clearly his accuracy
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, maybe he's just aged, like you said,
Speaker 2: Drew Brees and Roethlisberger felt like those guys started losing
Speaker 2: his arm. I still feel like Rogers is pretty good power,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he knows where it's going as much.
Speaker 2: And maybe that gets back to fundamentals. Well, what is
Speaker 2: the thing that Brady All the guys had to dominate
Speaker 2: Cousins Jared Goff, They had to be great at fundamentals
Speaker 2: because they couldn't move. And Rogers' fundamentals never really matters.
Speaker 2: Why he threw off his back of his foot most
Speaker 2: of his career, but he was so accurate. Well now
Speaker 2: the back of the foot. He's not accurate when his
Speaker 2: feet are planted, let alone kind of freelancing inside the bunk.
Speaker 2: I just think he's just shot. He's a shot fire. Listen,
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's fifty eight years old, but he's got Mike
Speaker 2: Tyson vibes of like I'm watching a completely different human
Speaker 2: being than I've watched in fifteen.
Speaker 1: Well, and you never got you know, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: you never but thereon there were some things. Somebody once
Speaker 1: said this to me years ago, a coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's Jay Cutler, but he can play. You
Speaker 1: never got the best locker room guy. You got kind
Speaker 1: of a self serving guy. You never got the most
Speaker 1: dedicated off season guy. He was always even in his
Speaker 1: prime in Green Bay, you know, the passive, aggressive shots
Speaker 1: on Milwaukee radio, you know, where he didn't like stuff.
Speaker 1: So there were stuff you always dealt with with Aaron that,
Speaker 1: you know, Brady just swallowed it for the team. Brady
Speaker 1: and Belichick. Stro you didn't hear anything until you saw
Speaker 1: that documentary that Gotham Chopra did where Tom finally was.
Speaker 1: You know, he was just where I think Giselle said,
Speaker 1: he just wants to be respected, like Tom kept that
Speaker 1: to himself for twenty years. Aaron. Lets you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he once he got the big contract, so now
Speaker 1: I don't get the talent. Well, you never got the intangibles.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott gives you intangibles, but the tangibles aren't much. Well, Aaron,
Speaker 1: the tangibles were through the roof, but the intangibles were
Speaker 1: never perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what's funny is you know, I think
Speaker 2: he made some comments this week about coming back and
Speaker 2: there are many industries that pay thirty five to forty
Speaker 2: million dollars huh, which he's probably well aware of. They
Speaker 2: aren't football. But he feels like a guy that you know,
Speaker 2: if he was a PGA Tour golfer that shot under
Speaker 2: par and now he's struggling to break ninety, Like, how
Speaker 2: would he come back if this is what he's playing
Speaker 2: Like he can't move, so he's a sitting duck. You know,
Speaker 2: the organization even if they hire some new coach and
Speaker 2: he doesn't want Rogers, It's not like Rogers has some market.
Speaker 2: What teams even trade.
Speaker 1: For John John If we had last year's quarterback draft class,
Speaker 1: the Jets would move on. We don't. We have Shador Sanders,
Speaker 1: who the Giants will probably get, and we've got cam
Speaker 1: Ward who's a big risk because he plays a lot
Speaker 1: of off platform and he's kind of there's a lot
Speaker 1: of backyard stuff. I think if it's a big quarter
Speaker 1: if you had the class that had Burrow and Herbert
Speaker 1: and Tua and Hurts, they draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But my thing is, yeah, I mean this quarterback class
Speaker 2: is everyone in the NFL thinks.
Speaker 1: Sustaining it's weaker by the week.
Speaker 2: But do you think in the listen, I understands a
Speaker 2: lot of money. He's made so much money, he's got
Speaker 2: want to do this again, Like this is and it's hard,
Speaker 2: Like Peyton Manning couldn't throw, and the only reason he
Speaker 2: quit is because people wouldn't sign him. You know, Roethlisberger
Speaker 2: and Drew Brees, they just their arms betrayed them. This
Speaker 2: guy's lower bodies betraying. Yeah, right to me, that's and
Speaker 2: it's just you know, you're sitting duck. What happened to
Speaker 2: Tom that last year? He didn't want no part of
Speaker 2: getting hit hard to blame forty five years old. You know,
Speaker 2: Roger's forty one years old. He's gonna want to keep
Speaker 2: getting peppered when he knows that I can't run away.
Speaker 2: And my game's never been like, you know, one thing.
Speaker 2: Tom and Peyton were always good as like hitting the
Speaker 2: ground because they always had to get used to that.
Speaker 2: Aaron's kind of uncomfortable, you know, because even now he'll
Speaker 2: kind of do a scramble and he's like, oh fuck,
Speaker 2: I can't move and this's get taken out. And every
Speaker 2: time he starts to scramble left or right and you
Speaker 2: see a guy turning that corner, you're like, he's gonna
Speaker 2: get caught immediately. And it's just really discombobulating his game
Speaker 2: because he's never had to worry about that because he's
Speaker 2: always been able to get out outside the tackle box,
Speaker 2: keep it play alive and throw a strike. And now
Speaker 2: that's completely dead, which, of course, he's forty years old
Speaker 2: coming off an Achilles injury. Twenty years ago. Aaron Rodgers'
Speaker 2: career would have ended that night, right at thirty nine
Speaker 2: years old torn Achilles. Yeah, in nineteen ninety three, his
Speaker 2: career ends. So it's just it's a testament to like
Speaker 2: modern day medicine. But I don't care how good the
Speaker 2: doctor was in his rehab of dolphins or whatever the
Speaker 2: hell he was doing. He is he's not even half
Speaker 2: the player that he once was.
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Speaker 1: insight to the Niners Seattle Gino Smith runs it in
Speaker 1: with twelve seconds left. San Francisco loses to the Seahawks
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Juwan Jennings that third quarter drive was huge.
Speaker 1: He's such a you can tell. The players just love him,
Speaker 1: the fans love him. Great player, But San Francisco is
Speaker 1: now five and five. Arizona looks more dynamic offensively. The
Speaker 1: Rams look like they're much better defensively with all those
Speaker 1: young defensive players Seattle. I like Seattle's roster. I think
Speaker 1: they're a quarterback away from like being really really interesting. Well,
Speaker 1: I wrote this down during the game. The Niners had
Speaker 1: another iffy special team's day, John. They just don't feel special.
Speaker 1: They don't feel like Philly, Detroit. They don't feel like Baltimore,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo. They feel much closer to Houston and
Speaker 1: not quite as good at quarterback. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: that's what I wrote on my sheet twice. First hat.
Speaker 1: They just don't feel special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Colin. They don't feel like
Speaker 2: a playoff team. I think today the playoffs, say Cyanara,
Speaker 2: because they've lost three divisional games. They've lost, They're one
Speaker 2: and three. They've lost all three teams.
Speaker 1: John listened to this. They have the second worst scoring
Speaker 1: defense in the final two minutes of the second half
Speaker 1: in the league. And they brought Christian McCaffrey back. He's
Speaker 1: got no TV's in two games, so there's limit. Is
Speaker 1: the offensive line an issue to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're right tackle stinks and they're huge
Speaker 2: on drafting skill guys over offensive lineman. Kyle and their
Speaker 2: offensive line coach have said as much over the last
Speaker 2: six months. They draft for Ricky Piersoll in the first round.
Speaker 2: Who I like Ricky Piersoll A lot offensive linemen there
Speaker 2: when your offensive line. Trent Williams one of the greatest
Speaker 2: players of all time. Last time I checked his like
Speaker 2: thirty six years old. I thought today was on Kyle.
Speaker 2: He challenged two plays in the second half, failed on him,
Speaker 2: both when it was pretty clear, like yeah, let's not
Speaker 2: getting overturned. And then they had the ball with an
Speaker 2: opportunity to basically ice them out and not give the
Speaker 2: ball back to Seattle. Seattle is all three timeouts, so
Speaker 2: they run the ball, they get stuffed, call timeout second
Speaker 2: and nine or whatever. Okay, they went for the kill
Speaker 2: shot and he run Juwan Jennings looks like Terrell Owens
Speaker 2: meets Jerry Rice out there today, and he runs a
Speaker 2: play to ice the game to Deebo Samuel, who does
Speaker 2: not quite look like himself right now, looks slow, not
Speaker 2: even remotely close to being open, pretty airmails it over
Speaker 2: his head. Thank god, it might have got picked. And
Speaker 2: then they just had to punt and the obviously, Gino
Speaker 2: drives him right down the field. The other thing is,
Speaker 2: you know Kittled Today, who's having a fantastic season, He's
Speaker 2: an older player, he's banged up, can't play hamstring. Bosa,
Speaker 2: who's probably their best playing dealing with his hip. Pointer
Speaker 2: can barely stay on the field. You can see him
Speaker 2: grimacing like he's in a lot of pain. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is just a devastating, tragic event. But Tarvarius Ward's
Speaker 2: daughter passes away. He's gone, like they're missing a ton
Speaker 2: of top players. Are us on the couch with his
Speaker 2: leg up like you just can't overcome, Like you're talking,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money worth a player. Colin and
Speaker 2: Kyle then has a little bit of an off day
Speaker 2: and it just snowballs in their division. Now, Like one
Speaker 2: thing you'd say about the NFC, well that's pretty competitive.
Speaker 2: You know, Seattle's your worst team and technically the Niners
Speaker 2: are Now that's a pretty good worst team.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean listen, I said, this.
Speaker 2: Is m screwed. It's over. They play their next two
Speaker 2: games with the Packers and the Bills on the road. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think these windows in a sport that
Speaker 1: has it's like a like hockey, you've got a regulated
Speaker 1: level of violence. Guys, older players get hurt. One of
Speaker 1: the things one of my big predictions this year was
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I felt last year peaked and they would
Speaker 1: you would see a slow regression, and I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing it. I don't think they're special defensively. I don't
Speaker 1: really blame it on brock Purty. I think I think
Speaker 1: if I was John Lynch, I would have attacked the
Speaker 1: offensive line. It was a good year for tackles, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, Jim Harbaugh could have chosen,
Speaker 1: you know, the receiver from LSU, Brian Thomas. He went
Speaker 1: Joe Alt and you can see the benefits already. Joe Alt,
Speaker 1: by the way, has had a tremendous rookie year pass
Speaker 1: blocking for the Chargers. So I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those It's one of those things where a lot
Speaker 1: of time stuff surprises us in the NFL. I think
Speaker 1: if you were totally honest and not a Niner guy,
Speaker 1: if you were you know, like what you and I
Speaker 1: do for a liv, you could kind of see it.
Speaker 1: Last year, they just felt like older players get hurt
Speaker 1: more often and they're out longer, and then McCaffrey comes
Speaker 1: back and it doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the difference this year? I mean last year
Speaker 2: and really the last couple of years. These games where
Speaker 2: they are dominating the other opponent statistically, they end up
Speaker 2: winning by fifteen to twenty points Seattle, the Rams, and
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and this year they lose them all. They
Speaker 2: lose all three games, and at the end of the
Speaker 2: year it's not you know, they're gonna end up eight
Speaker 2: ish wins, but that's the difference between being eight or
Speaker 2: eleven and twelve, and it's because the depth of their
Speaker 2: roster isn't is good. The other thing that is coming
Speaker 2: back to bite them a little bit, and it ultimately
Speaker 2: didn't impact in the last couple of years because they
Speaker 2: had Purdy and Jimmy g the Trey Lance trade that
Speaker 2: was three years worth a first round pick. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was the Trey Lance pick. They used him. He gave
Speaker 2: them nothing four games and then the next two years
Speaker 2: of picks. So even if you're drafting thirty one, you know,
Speaker 2: look at all the years of Kansas City or Baltimore,
Speaker 2: or you trade back in the second round. You just
Speaker 2: add players. They added nothing because those picks disappeared, so
Speaker 2: their depth. Some of their older players are injured, but
Speaker 2: they're missing a couple of players that they would have
Speaker 2: had if they had not made that trade. That didn't
Speaker 2: sink them because they found pretty but I think you
Speaker 2: felt it this year with some of their injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you talked about their schedule, I just looked
Speaker 1: it up. They have the fourth hardest remaining schedule at
Speaker 1: green Bay at Buffalo, Chicago, Rams at Miami Detroit at
Speaker 1: Cardinals and that at Arizona game. Is that's tough.
Speaker 2: There are tough this is you know, we'll see Arizona.
Speaker 2: I mean, that guy's doing an incredible job. It's like,
Speaker 2: who would you pick right now to win the division?
Speaker 2: I guess I would lean the Rams. I mean Geno,
Speaker 2: he had an awful pick. I can't I can't trust him.
Speaker 2: He can have drives where he looks like a top
Speaker 2: ten quarterback, and then he can have drives where he
Speaker 2: looks like you know, Will Levis Arizona. Like, I think
Speaker 2: they're overachieving so much on defense. You know the Rams.
Speaker 2: When Stafford plays Rio, it's like they're hard. The crazy
Speaker 2: part about the Rams it's coming into today. The last
Speaker 2: two weeks they'd only scored one offensive touchdown, and even
Speaker 2: to day, you're like, how they feel a little off,
Speaker 2: And then it switched and he threw had like I
Speaker 2: think four touchdowns and nine completions or something, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they get their mojo back. Now it's the Patriots. But
Speaker 2: you could argue it's between those two teams because I
Speaker 2: think the Niners are done in Seattle, it's just hard
Speaker 2: to trust the quarterback, so Arizona or the Rams, And honestly,
Speaker 2: this might be a division where you only get one
Speaker 2: team in because I don't think nine and eight's getting
Speaker 2: you the wild card. Because Minnesota won today, the Packers
Speaker 2: won the day, So both those two teams are gonna
Speaker 2: have I would say eleven plus wins. The Lions are
Speaker 2: gonna win thirteen, and Atlanta's in because they won the division.
Speaker 2: And you know, you look at Washington schedule like they're
Speaker 2: probably at minimum getting to ten and the Eagles will
Speaker 2: probably get what twelve thirteen win team, So the NFC
Speaker 2: West probably only getting their division winner into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: If I was a betting man right now, I would
Speaker 2: say it's a one Playoff Division. I guess I would
Speaker 2: lean the Rams. But the Cardinals, shit, I mean, they're
Speaker 2: very tough out if the quarterback's gonna play well.
Speaker 1: All right. If I was going to name, let's talk
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos thirty eight route the Atlanta Falcons. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: had a bad day six thirty eight to six. So
Speaker 1: if I was voting coach of the year, Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: would win. My coach of the year. Sean Payton would
Speaker 1: be second. And Shawn has texted me about four times
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm not going to get into everything
Speaker 1: he said, but he text me again this week and
Speaker 1: he said, I'm telling you, this kid's got a much
Speaker 1: better arm than all the analysts, said Colin. He can
Speaker 1: really sling it well today. Fourth game is a rookie
Speaker 1: and this is a thin roster that's in cap hell
Speaker 1: scarce scarcity of draft picks last year. In this year,
Speaker 1: fourth game of seventy plus completion percentage two TD's no picks.
Speaker 1: That ties the greatest in the modern ear Only one
Speaker 1: other rookie quarterback has done that. Bow knicks today, John
Speaker 1: he seven yards per play Denver's offense. Again, this is
Speaker 1: a five win team. They're twenty eight and thirty three.
Speaker 1: Bow Knicks was today four touchdowns, no picks, and I
Speaker 1: want to go back. He outplayed Mahomes last week. Is
Speaker 1: that nobody is talking about bow Knicks. But if this continues,
Speaker 1: it will not be Jaden Daniels who appears to have
Speaker 1: hit a ceiling right like we've seen him now in
Speaker 1: the bigger games. Bow Knicks. If you look at their schedule,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. There was one point in the third
Speaker 1: quarter I looked up he was seventeen to nineteen. That's
Speaker 1: an NFL game, Like, what in the hell the kid is?
Speaker 2: He is?
Speaker 1: First of all, he is way more athletic than anybody
Speaker 1: wants to admit. And I watched his arm today because
Speaker 1: Shaun had texted me and said, I think his arm
Speaker 1: is better than people think. He made a couple of
Speaker 1: throws today. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers' arm got
Speaker 1: stronger from Cal to the NFL. It happens.
Speaker 2: These guys are Brady's arm got definitely got strong.
Speaker 1: There's no question. I watched bone next today. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not only a franchise quarterback, that's a top twelve
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. Potentially for the next decade.
Speaker 2: I thought the best throw so far of like his
Speaker 2: young career was the fourth touchdown where he scrambled and
Speaker 2: threw it across his body and you're like, God, that
Speaker 2: looks like Mahomes or Afford. You're letting it rip like that.
Speaker 2: And this is where coaching is so key. You know
Speaker 2: what is what did Oregon do a lot with him?
Speaker 2: Run those quick screens? Well, Sean Payton got two touchdowns
Speaker 2: off that today in the first one hit and they
Speaker 2: went to the red zone. Ran it essentially, I mean
Speaker 2: it was a little different play, but essentially the same thing.
Speaker 2: Like that's coaching, do what he's good at. Because what
Speaker 2: do we talk about with Russell Wilson. Get the ball
Speaker 2: out of your hand fast. That's actually not an easy pass.
Speaker 2: You know it's in your hand off right away. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you don't even get to grip the laces. And I
Speaker 2: had a buddy text me, He's like, I put a
Speaker 2: decent amount on him at fourteen to one to win
Speaker 2: the Rookie of the Year. I'm feeling pretty good. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: Caleb's out of it. And if Jayden keeps trending like
Speaker 2: this like this, this team's winning ten games. They still
Speaker 2: got the Raiders, that they still got the Panthers. The schedule,
Speaker 2: the last game is the Chiefs. Who knows, maybe the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: you know, don't need to play for that game. Maybe
Speaker 2: they had the one seed wrapped up. Their defense is good.
Speaker 2: The team's just good. I mean today was That's what
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier with Caleb, where you could have
Speaker 2: a bad loss and parlay that. But Denver, deep down,
Speaker 2: like unlike the Bears, they didn't think their season was over.
Speaker 2: Denver's like, shit, we are right there, and they came
Speaker 2: to day. They beat the living crap out of Atlanta
Speaker 2: today and listen, Atlanta's got one and done written all
Speaker 2: over in the playoffs. But that was if the quarterback
Speaker 2: is going to be a fishing like that, Because I
Speaker 2: was with you, I looked up and it said seventeen
Speaker 2: of nineteen, I'm like, this is Jared Goff two point
Speaker 2: zero going right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the running back, you know, if they can run
Speaker 2: the ball and their defense plays like this, who is
Speaker 2: going to want to play in the playoffs. Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: and Sean Payton in round one and I both of
Speaker 2: them are going to be on the road. You know,
Speaker 2: probably the sixth and seven seed. But you talked about
Speaker 2: playing two coaches with good defenses on the road good luck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is it really shock you were recording this before the
Speaker 2: Charger game, but Charger of playoff team?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you look at some of these teams like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: the two coaches making a combined you know, thirty five
Speaker 2: million dollars resurrected the franchises? No, I mean it's this league.
Speaker 2: Isn't that complicated? Now? Both of them, you know, Jim
Speaker 2: got Herbert and obviously Sean picked a quarterback. I think Sean,
Speaker 2: you know, it can rub some people around the lead way,
Speaker 2: but he believed in the guy when let's face it,
Speaker 2: a lot of people did not a lot of scouts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dank and Dunk guys. He's thirty years old and you
Speaker 2: watch him, you're like, and this what Oregon people say.
Speaker 2: If you just take out the quick screens, watch him
Speaker 2: move around. Like his statistics at Oregon were just pretty insane.
Speaker 1: Also, he had multiple I think between Auburn and Oregon
Speaker 1: he had five different offensive coordinators. He did and so
Speaker 1: and Shawn's demanding. I mean, Sean, I mean, remember how
Speaker 1: much Russell Wilson and Russell's a smart guy. Remember how
Speaker 1: much trouble Russell had where Shawn's like, dude, you have
Speaker 1: to take a wristband out there. You're you're you're. Remember
Speaker 1: that was a big bone of contention, like Russell wasn't
Speaker 1: getting the plays off fast enough, and so like.
Speaker 2: Well, how about two weeks ago when he snapped on
Speaker 2: on bo Nicks and bo Nicks snapped back, and then
Speaker 2: after he's like, I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, obviously Sean's system is not easy.
Speaker 1: I mean, Drew Brees comes on my show, He's on
Speaker 1: my show tomorrow and FS one on Monday, and Shawn
Speaker 1: has said, I mean Drew has said, like his it's hard,
Speaker 1: Like Shawn's demanding, he will snap. And I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of these I'm just telling you without giving
Speaker 1: up everything he said, Sean has he right after they
Speaker 1: drafted him, he said, we got a guy. And about
Speaker 1: every three weeks Seanald texted me. He did this week
Speaker 1: and this week he said, boy, his arm, it's really
Speaker 1: he is snapping stuff off.
Speaker 2: It has to be. I mean, assuming that you know
Speaker 2: coach Ree, He's gonna keep coaching. I don't you know
Speaker 2: this guy loves football more than any human alive. As
Speaker 2: long as he's healthy, going to coach for a while.
Speaker 2: How many times in NFL history have we seen, especially
Speaker 2: if they coach against each other's to say, for like
Speaker 2: a five year stretch, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, and Jim Harbaugh, Like,
Speaker 2: good luck, Mark Davis, go get him that division with
Speaker 2: those three guys. I mean these are I mean, Andy's
Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: confident if Jim Harbaugh can keep Herbert healthy and they draft,
Speaker 2: they got a decent chance to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: these next five years. And Denver, I mean probably gonna
Speaker 2: be a playoff team moving forward. I mean you're talking
Speaker 2: about Hall of Fame coaches like great coaches. I mean,
Speaker 2: Harbaugh has a chance to go as like one of
Speaker 2: the true great coaches of all time. How many guys
Speaker 2: can go back and forth like that. Andy's easily established himself.
Speaker 2: I mean, when it's all said and done, like in
Speaker 2: the history of the league, is Andy a top three
Speaker 2: or four coach? Ever? Yes, I mean Sean Payton resurrected
Speaker 2: the Saints in one.
Speaker 1: Se they were the worst team in the league. He
Speaker 1: went I think he won eleven games this first year
Speaker 1: with them, or ten games, and he may have gotten
Speaker 1: to a conference championship the first year and lost I.
Speaker 2: Think one thing, and you saw you know at the
Speaker 2: end of Shawn's run Drew Brees. Ultimately it wasn't as
Speaker 2: good anymore. But their defense was awesome, Harbaugh. Their defense
Speaker 2: is always awesome. The majority of Andy Reid's career has
Speaker 2: been Jim Johnson and Spagnola offensive coaches that placed a
Speaker 2: premium on defense. And this is why, like Kyle and
Speaker 2: McVeigh have had so much success. They're offensive guys, but
Speaker 2: they have no problem in spending there, investing in there,
Speaker 2: drafting there, because it makes your job easier. Like it's
Speaker 2: a lot easier to win the day when you're Sean Payton,
Speaker 2: even though your quarterbacks having one of the best games
Speaker 2: of the season, when the other team scored six points,
Speaker 2: you could have the shittiest offensive performance of the year
Speaker 2: and win that thing nine to six. So offensive coaches
Speaker 2: that place a premium on defense have always been the
Speaker 2: type guy that I like.
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Speaker 1: So I want to spend some time on Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: and Jake Paul. So, first of all, you know, the
Speaker 1: production wasn't great. Obviously, it was kind of a mess.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: Showtime Sports did some great work. It doesn't exist. HBO
Speaker 1: Sports did similarly great work, both led by boxing. It
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Boxing is not a foundational piece to build
Speaker 1: in the modern era a sports department. That's why NBC
Speaker 1: Sports had boxing bailed. Fox Sports had some boxing bailed.
Speaker 1: ESPN had it bailed. It's just too quirky and weird
Speaker 1: and increasingly like the clickbait, you know, the these kind
Speaker 1: of fights Jake Paul against Tyson, it's what gets people,
Speaker 1: you know, to the streaming platform. But it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I was watching this fight and I was thinking, what
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's done is create a business model, which is
Speaker 1: I'm going to fight big name guys. You know Tommy
Speaker 1: f Fury junior, you know Nate Robinson. At the time
Speaker 1: was like amazing two sport athlete Mike Tyson, and then
Speaker 1: immediately after the fight, like the next day, he's like
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor, and I thought, it's really a business model.
Speaker 1: I'm going to fight older guys way past their prime,
Speaker 1: big name guys. If I lose, I make forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: What do I care. He's not all Lee, he didn't
Speaker 1: have a legacy to live up to. It's a business model,
Speaker 1: old huge names, even Fury's kid. Fury's the heavyweight chat,
Speaker 1: let's go after his kid the only fight he's ever lost.
Speaker 1: And that was my first takeaway. The second takeaway is
Speaker 1: July twentieth. I mean Mike tisnerbles died. He had like
Speaker 1: a blood transfusion and it's like liver something. And when
Speaker 1: you watch the fight, by the end of the third round,
Speaker 1: Mike had no legs. It's like you think, to yourself,
Speaker 1: well it's November. It was July. He almost died, and
Speaker 1: so in the end, Mike probably should have fought in March.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean for you know, Mike probably
Speaker 1: wanted to fight. You feel good. When I had a
Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism, I'll never forget this, not nearly anything resembling Mike.
Speaker 1: But it hurt for three weeks. But they had me
Speaker 1: on blood thinners for like four months, and I said,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to be on blood thinners. I just,
Speaker 1: you know what if I cut myself shaven, I don't
Speaker 1: want to, you know, have stuff. Can I just stop?
Speaker 1: But they said, okay. But I remember going to talk
Speaker 1: to a doctor six months. They had me just do
Speaker 1: a final check, and he goes, people don't understand just
Speaker 1: because you don't feel something doesn't mean it's not a
Speaker 1: traumatic effect on your body. He goes, you have nerve damage.
Speaker 2: Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike lost half the blood in his body. And so
Speaker 1: I think if Mike would have fought in March, it
Speaker 1: would have been entertaining. I felt by the end of
Speaker 1: the third round, I'm like, he's done. Like that was
Speaker 1: my take, Like he's Mike, just doesn't he Mike could well.
Speaker 2: Those last couple of rounds, he was just standing there.
Speaker 1: So I didn't feel ripped off when I went into
Speaker 1: the sport thinking, listen, it's a circus. I compared it
Speaker 1: on Friday. It's the carnival at the parking lot at
Speaker 1: the mall in your hometown. Sometimes it goes sideways and
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, why did I waste a night
Speaker 1: of my life? So I wasn't. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a mess. I kind of went in thinking fifty
Speaker 1: percent chance it would be a mess. It was. What
Speaker 1: was your take?
Speaker 2: Well, I think we have to acknowledge, you know, I
Speaker 2: think the one thing Dana White is brought to the
Speaker 2: table is obviously not all of their cards are all
Speaker 2: time greats. But you do go in thinking I'm going
Speaker 2: to get the best of everyone that's fighting and for
Speaker 2: the most part in the and I'm not a big
Speaker 2: UFC guy. Yeah, like I admire what they've built in
Speaker 2: Dana White, but I'm not watching every card. But like,
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear I got things a war zone in
Speaker 2: the octagon, I would say, in my adult life. And
Speaker 2: you know, I was born in the mid eighties, so
Speaker 2: I did not grow up on the peak of Tyson.
Speaker 2: When I was coming into my own as a kid,
Speaker 2: it was like Tyson Fight in the Holy Field. Lennox
Speaker 2: Lewis stuff, and that was not the same guy that
Speaker 2: fought in the late eighties right in college. I'll never
Speaker 2: forget when Floyd Mayweather fought Oscar de la Hoya, and
Speaker 2: it was at the end of Oscar's prime, but it
Speaker 2: was It's probably one of the biggest fights of the
Speaker 2: last I don't know, twenty plus years and it was
Speaker 2: fucking terrible, and I remember it was a big deal
Speaker 2: for us to buy and we were watching it was
Speaker 2: like the most boring fight of all time. And that
Speaker 2: is the business of boxing is they could hype it
Speaker 2: up and get you to We didn't have to buy
Speaker 2: it this one because it was on Netflix, which everyone
Speaker 2: owns why they got sixty million people watching, But they
Speaker 2: got sixty million people watching because they can hype something up.
Speaker 2: What was the last big one? When Connor McGregor box
Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather, like it is kind of a carnival circus
Speaker 2: that you can't miss. And when they do get the
Speaker 2: big names, I would say Dana White would die to
Speaker 2: have that, and he had it for a minute with
Speaker 2: Connor and when I was in college, like Chuck and Tito,
Speaker 2: But it's very very boxing for some reason, coming they've
Speaker 2: got this YouTube star that you see him, he looks
Speaker 2: like he's Ray Lewis. He's jacked up and he's not terrible,
Speaker 2: but you don't know how good he is. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't even matter. His marketing is genius. Sixty million people
Speaker 2: watch well, and I was reading some business guy broke
Speaker 2: it down on social media that like, you know, Brady,
Speaker 2: because there weren't any glitches on the roast, but they're
Speaker 2: like that was domestic and they were like less than
Speaker 2: it was like twenty five million people. There's a big
Speaker 2: difference between twenty five million and sixty million people worldwide,
Speaker 2: and clearly it was screwing up the the service because
Speaker 2: the NFL when they go on Christmas, that number is
Speaker 2: much more like the roast twenty million people than this.
Speaker 2: This was a worldwide listen because of my time and
Speaker 2: even Jake Paul, like Jake Paul's huge on YouTube where
Speaker 2: you can watch anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm in bed Friday night with my wife in Park
Speaker 1: City and I'm getting tired and my wife is bumping me.
Speaker 1: It's like six round. I'm just like starting to get
Speaker 1: not Off'm like this is bad. She's I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: This is beat. My wife was completely into it. By
Speaker 1: the way, Serrano and Taylor on the undercard was a
Speaker 1: fantastic fight. That was one for the agents.
Speaker 2: But you know the thing with like, you know, some
Speaker 2: of the Floyd big fights, I would say, of the
Speaker 2: last whatever and Connor and Floyd, those were pay per view,
Speaker 2: so you know, you had to spend ninety nine ninety nine.
Speaker 2: So usually there was like, hey, I'm spending money on this,
Speaker 2: and you always left disappointed. Is why people always complained,
Speaker 2: I think of like the boxing, because they would get
Speaker 2: fooled into it and then be pissed off, like, God,
Speaker 2: I knew it. No one paid you. You're already paying
Speaker 2: for net right, So all these people on social media complaining,
Speaker 2: it's like you could have just turned it off, like you, God,
Speaker 2: is Mike Tyson's fifty eight years old. Now if they
Speaker 2: had charged a buck fifty be like, Okay, I got fooled.
Speaker 2: I'd be pissed off. No one got fooled, And it
Speaker 2: was clear really early. Well, I mean by the end
Speaker 2: you kind of felt bad for the game. Yeah, I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, I thought, now twenty you got twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: I thought Jake Paul had real self awareness after the
Speaker 1: fight when he said, you know, there's just a time
Speaker 1: I didn't want to humiliate anybody. I mean, he knew
Speaker 1: you could tell by the fifth round. Like I'm watching
Speaker 1: it the fifth round and I'm I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: has got sad. Now. The other thing is, you know
Speaker 1: Netflix doesn't do sports. I mean, they've dabbled in it,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, I looked at it and
Speaker 1: I didn't think the production was very good. You know
Speaker 1: that I'm so used to it cheesy.
Speaker 2: It fell a little off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm used to Jim Lampley, I want, but you
Speaker 1: know it took me even.
Speaker 2: At UFC feels big league now, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question. Joe Rogan, Yeah, it feels world class.
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I mean, I think what UFC
Speaker 1: feels like with Dana. One of the so I go
Speaker 1: to three to four UFC cards a year live in
Speaker 1: the summer. When I have time off in the summer
Speaker 1: and I'm not beholden to sit and watching college and
Speaker 1: pro football, I will go to UFC cards and I'll
Speaker 1: buy another five. So I probably seven times a year,
Speaker 1: eight times. You know, I'm into the UFC. One of
Speaker 1: the things I always appreciated is that after a fight,
Speaker 1: I'll go in, I'll get I'll go to the bathroom
Speaker 1: in the media room, pour a cocktail or something, talk
Speaker 1: to a buddy, maybe grab a little you know, he'll
Speaker 1: have food in their chicken finger. I come out, fight
Speaker 1: starts in five minutes. Like Dana keeps that shit going.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just let's go, let's go. It's such
Speaker 1: a well oiled machine with Dana. I've never had a
Speaker 1: bad time at a UFC card. I never thought I
Speaker 1: would like watching women fight, and I watched Srono Taylor
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I've seen some USC fights
Speaker 1: with women like it's the it's the first or second
Speaker 1: best fight on the card. So Netflix did have a
Speaker 1: pretty good undercard. But when I looked at Netflix overall,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a blip. This this isn't one
Speaker 1: percent of their business. And they're building a sports department
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be shocked if they had a daredevil
Speaker 1: event that They're not INBC Sports. They're not Fox, that's
Speaker 1: not what they are.
Speaker 2: Who is the guy that used to jump over the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon and Robbie Cavel? Yeah, you know the one
Speaker 2: thing I think UFC has, which I think football has this.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna play in a football game, it's really
Speaker 2: hard to have asked because you can get taken out.
Speaker 2: You know, in basketball, one thing you could just kind
Speaker 2: of cruise through a month, right, just I go pass
Speaker 2: a little shoot a little football. If you're gonna play
Speaker 2: in the game, like you better be ready to go.
Speaker 2: Boxing kind of has that too. I mean, Floyd got
Speaker 2: knocked for this, and obviously he's really skilled, but he
Speaker 2: could dance around, he can never touch him. You get
Speaker 2: in that octagon, man or woman, you better be ready
Speaker 2: to go because you could get legitimately hurt. And that's
Speaker 2: why I would say you're kind of you watch this
Speaker 2: Jake Paul fight, hoping Mike Tyson could knock him out early,
Speaker 2: but you knew more than likely. If you gave every
Speaker 2: human truth serum to follow sports, it's gonna be a weird,
Speaker 2: bizarre event. When you go to a UFC event, you're like,
Speaker 2: at any moment, any person, the best, the random guy
Speaker 2: can get their jaw put one hundred and eighty degrees
Speaker 2: and you know that. And I think football is a
Speaker 2: lot like that too. When I turn on a football game,
Speaker 2: I mean hel Florida look like Alabama against LSU. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you put the pads on, you, buckle that chin strap.
Speaker 2: You gotta be ready to go and listen. I'm not again,
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge UFC guy just because I've just
Speaker 2: like I really admire and appreciate the violence and the
Speaker 2: business they've built. I just don't watch it that much,
Speaker 2: but I do respect what it takes. Again that and
Speaker 2: in boxing, like you gotta fake it for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it feels like Floyd for the last five
Speaker 2: six years of his career made a lot of money
Speaker 2: dancing around that ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And I think I mean Jake Paul again,
Speaker 1: it is it's a business model. Go find out a
Speaker 1: big name guy fight him. The Connor McGregor fight. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I would watch it. I think Jake Paul
Speaker 1: would hammer. I don't think Connor can get up to
Speaker 1: that weight, and Jake Paul he doesn't want to.
Speaker 2: You know what is what is Jake way? Well, I
Speaker 2: mean Connor like struggled to get to like one sixty five.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I look at I mean Jake's like,
Speaker 1: let's just not even count wait, and I'm thinking, give
Speaker 1: me a break. Jake. Jake looks like what if.
Speaker 2: They got a what if they each got one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars? I think Connor might I.
Speaker 1: Can see fifty. I will say this though, Jake Paul
Speaker 1: looks like a little bit like an NFL defensive end.
Speaker 1: I mean that's how that's what he looks like.
Speaker 2: Paul looks good, Jake Paul. Here's the one thing I
Speaker 2: appreciate bu Jake Paul. You know he takes it seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like he's not showing in there with a belly or
Speaker 2: like he takes boxing really serious. Like whatever he's created,
Speaker 2: he has put all his chips in the middle of
Speaker 2: the table on his thing. And in terms of training,
Speaker 2: who do I hear say this that they watched him
Speaker 2: train and they're like, obviously, relative to like these guys
Speaker 2: in their prime, you can't compare him. But for what
Speaker 2: he is, he's really impressive. You just watch him spar
Speaker 2: in some ram them gym On a Tuesday.
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