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Speaker 1: Well, I've been looking forward to this all day. Mac

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Speaker 1: Brown the national champion head coach with Texas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he knows, he knows where all the skeletons are buried

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Speaker 1: in this sport, and there's a lot of change.

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Speaker 3: And I always thought Mac.

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Speaker 1: Had the ability to teach and coach in a joyful way.

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Speaker 1: He lovely did when he returned to Carolina. The players

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Speaker 1: loved him. But sometimes it's just time to move to

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Speaker 1: the hill country in Austin, Texas and enjoy life a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And Mac Brown is now joining us live.

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Speaker 3: Coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this everybody, And I've

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Speaker 1: said this before. I think I said years ago the

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Speaker 1: best job in football in America is coaching the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 1: And I said that, and a coach texted me and

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Speaker 1: he goes listen it's a good job he goes, but

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of boosters,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff the Longhorned Network. And I

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Speaker 1: love Sark. I really do love Sark, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's one of those jobs coach.

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Speaker 3: It's a little harder than people think.

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Speaker 1: You know, at Alabama football runs everything, but at Texas

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Speaker 1: it's a music town, it's a food towns. When you

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Speaker 1: watch Sark coach, do you envy him or do you

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Speaker 1: understand sometimes what he's going through.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great question, Colin, but I really

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Speaker 4: think it's both ways. I love the University of Texas.

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Speaker 4: I think it is the best job in the country,

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Speaker 4: and especially within ale because you've got chance, because you've

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Speaker 4: got people that are passionate in the care and the

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Speaker 4: they want to win so badly, and you've got to

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Speaker 4: be able to handle all the outside. No, he's in

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Speaker 4: Sarks coached at Washington, he's coached at USC, so he's

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Speaker 4: done all this.

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Speaker 3: He's been there, done that.

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Speaker 4: I really like him and I respect him and he's

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Speaker 4: doing a tremendous job. But after you coach at Texas,

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Speaker 4: it's it's really tough because you really got everything you need.

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Speaker 4: When I first got there, I asked the loss dout.

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Speaker 4: I said, I like to buy this to does it

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Speaker 4: fit in our budget? And he said, coach, you don't

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Speaker 4: have a budget. Whatever you want. I said, we don't

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Speaker 4: our athletics director, how hard is your job? And he said,

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Speaker 4: when you're winning, mine's easy. When you're losing, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Have a job that's pressure. That's so good.

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Speaker 1: They have arch Manning and the Manning family is classy, smart.

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Speaker 1: I mean arch Manning could have transferred, not interested supported

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Speaker 1: in yours. I maybe I'm worrying about something that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow became like a celebrity quarterback Cam Newton in college.

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Speaker 1: Would you be worried about the burden, the expectation the celebrity?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got Texas's program, the Manning name. Would

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Speaker 4: Yes, And you have less worries because Archie Manning's the granddad,

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Speaker 3: And I've been around arch enough.

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Speaker 4: It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so

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Speaker 3: Look a lot better.

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Speaker 1: You know, So Belichick takes your gig. It's interesting because

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Speaker 1: you when a legend like you retires, they bring in

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Speaker 1: They brought in an old NFL guy who's who kind

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Speaker 1: of has a way of doing things. I think I'll

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Speaker 1: throw it and give you my take. I think NIL

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Speaker 1: the NIL is almost professional football. I think it gives

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Speaker 4: The first thing, Colin Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the

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Speaker 4: They are really wanting football to be good, so they're

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Speaker 3: To be successful.

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Speaker 4: Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. When

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Speaker 4: you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level, the

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Speaker 4: man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to

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Speaker 4: bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now

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Speaker 4: administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro

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Speaker 3: We no longer have amateurism.

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Speaker 4: We have payment scals, we've got nil kids are asking

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Speaker 4: the fact that we are much more like the NFL

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Speaker 4: The other thing is every coach wants his own players

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this. It seems like about every

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Speaker 3: Is he from Austin? He maybe from Austin, Texas?

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, Westlake High School? That's right. Yeah, So where

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Speaker 1: So I went back and I watched his high school stuff,

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Speaker 1: I saw him play a few times for Clemson. He

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Speaker 1: moves like arch Manning. He can move a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Now he's he'll four six five, he can run. You

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Speaker 1: Give me a give me a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: If I'm an NFL GM and I call you, I say, Mac,

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Speaker 3: What do you What do you think of him? Well?

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Speaker 3: I saw him in high school. My son went to

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Speaker 4: Todd Dodge was his coach, and I knew Todd really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Clemson hasn't done the NIL stuff. You

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Speaker 1: They're all in on it. I worry that NIL erodes chemistry.

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Speaker 4: I do think the major programs, the brand programs that

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Speaker 4: And if you've got enough money to recruit high school

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Speaker 3: The different guys. It's really hard.

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Speaker 4: So what we learned is if you've got money and

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Speaker 3: You're going to win. Number One, you got to buy

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Speaker 4: Number two, they've all got to fit well in that

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Speaker 4: number three, they've got to be unselfish. And that's one

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Speaker 4: thing we're looking at right now. I saw Cedric Benson

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Speaker 4: He's building it with hoschool guys. Clemson is building it

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Speaker 3: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Harmon and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of with sark on that or like,

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Speaker 3: But I worry about that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I gotta ask you about Drake May So.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like about Drake may he

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Speaker 1: What about Drake May impressed you? Beyond the size the arm?

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Speaker 3: So they'd played pickleball and get mad. And one day

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Speaker 1: Finally, Mack and I talked for a couple of minutes

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Speaker 3: I'm playing just about every day.

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Speaker 4: I'm playing six holes, nine holes, twelve holes, and I

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Speaker 4: They told you you can play bad, but don't play

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Speaker 3: You got to play fast. You never practice.

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Speaker 4: You're always shaking hands before you hit the ball on

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Speaker 4: I was playing with my friend the other day and

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Speaker 3: It's expensive. I mean, it checks.

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Speaker 3: And when you get home, your wife's man, where have

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Speaker 3: had so many bad shots. Yeah, it's so true.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you as Oh, it was great,

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Speaker 1: great American sports storyteller.

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Speaker 3: Mac. I love you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Colin, love you and appreciate what you did.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mac Brown, that is so maddeningly true about golf.

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Speaker 3: It checks everything.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Now by middle Cough John is is Now, You're only

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Speaker 3: Am I right?

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Speaker 6: I like swinging the sticks a little bit. I consume

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Speaker 6: I watched a lot of golf content. I'm a football guy,

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Speaker 2: News, no, no news, this is the herdline news.

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Speaker 6: Well, we talked about Burrow earlier today, and obviously the

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Speaker 6: in at Bengals camp. We discussed yesterday that the two

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Speaker 6: With that said, one anonymous NFL executive says there is

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Speaker 6: no doubt that the Raiders would be the front runners

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Speaker 6: to lan Henderson if he's traded Colin. Should the Raiders

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean between you know, in a division with

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Speaker 6: I do think the last two years Bowers Genti, the

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem Brady, their.

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Speaker 6: New gen manager, John spy Tech thinking big picture, right,

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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll's seventy three.

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Speaker 6: Look at Pete Carroll and Seattle traded for Percy Harvin,

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Speaker 3: For Jamal Adams.

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Speaker 6: I think Pete Carroll a couple of weeks ago they

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Speaker 3: He's like to win.

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Speaker 6: I've been winning ten games a year for twenty plus year.

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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll's not there for building this thing up for

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Speaker 3: Three years to take over. So if you would want

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Speaker 1: They are noticeably better at coaching and quarterback and they

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Speaker 3: They were a tough out last year.

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Speaker 6: To me, if you're the Raiders and John Spytech, you

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Speaker 6: Would I give a second round pick for him, Yes,

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Speaker 6: I would be highly interested in doing something like that,

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Speaker 6: but the first round pick, and to me, if you're

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Speaker 7: It's a trait that really you look at the best

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Speaker 3: Got to be able to do that.

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Speaker 7: Mike has as quick a release as I've ever been around,

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Speaker 6: What do you think Colin the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Penis,

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Speaker 3: Because last year a lot of people picked him. Cousins

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Speaker 6: This year Panics who were both fans of in college

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Speaker 1: I thought his calm was a bigger, stronger Tua. That

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he throws a great ball, and it's funny.

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Speaker 1: From my I thought he threw the best deep ball

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Speaker 6: I think Caroline is a team on the rise. They're

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Speaker 1: Yes, also remember John because you're not paying Panix and

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Speaker 1: young quarterback that has an injury history getting banged on

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Speaker 1: if he if he if they can't protect him because

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Speaker 1: they gave up Drew Dolman. Remember Drew Dolman went to

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Speaker 1: the Bears. He was a top five center in the league.

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Speaker 1: So there they started with an issue, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a hole on their interior line.

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Speaker 6: And while Pennix, remember he ran a really fast forty

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Speaker 6: at the combine, He's not a running guy. He's a

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Speaker 6: hockey quarterback. Okay, speaking of quarterbacks, the Cardinals, they're coming

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Speaker 6: off an eight to nine season where they started but

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Speaker 6: faded and after the bye we can finish third in

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Speaker 6: the NFC West. Kyler Murray is entering his seventh God

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Speaker 6: this seems crazy NFL season, but as yet to win

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Speaker 6: a playoff game in Arizona, and Matt Liiner, former Cardinal quarterback,

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Speaker 6: says it's time to take the next step, which is

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Speaker 6: the playoffs. It's a winnable division. He has to put

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Speaker 6: it together this year. Is this a make or break

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Speaker 6: year for Kyler Murray in Arizona, Colin.

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Speaker 3: I think it.

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Speaker 1: Is because of the stuff off the field.

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Speaker 3: I am a supporter. I'm like that throw right there.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, John, you live down in Arizona, so

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Speaker 1: you see more of the local stuff and read more

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 3: I like their roster, yeah, I really do.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think the coach a little bit

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Speaker 1: like Seattle's coach. Defensive guy I think is young and sharp.

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Speaker 1: You know, j Max said this a week ago. He

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Speaker 1: has them in the playoffs. I would be I would

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Speaker 1: not be shocked if you told me to end up

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Speaker 1: winning eleven games. They have got I mean you start

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Speaker 1: looking at McBride and Harrison and Murray. They've got some

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Speaker 1: STARp Buddha Baker, They've got star players in key spots.

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Speaker 6: Well they had I mean a lot of people think

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Speaker 6: they had an excellent draft. Will Johnson the star corner

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Speaker 6: for Michigan. A lot of people are like, oh, he's

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Speaker 6: too slow. They got in the second round. He's been

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Speaker 6: making plays of practice. I just don't think if you

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Speaker 6: put a top ten quarterback on their team. I think

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Speaker 6: they could if you put Joe Burrow on their team,

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Speaker 6: they win like fourteen games, their rosters really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't trust this quarterback.

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Speaker 6: He had his first three season colin game he threw

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Speaker 6: one of the worst picks so far of the of August.

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Speaker 6: And he's a starting quarterback, seventh year guy making huge money.

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Speaker 6: No one disputes his physical ability.

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Speaker 3: Hard for him to.

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Speaker 6: See, so he's always got to be on the move

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Speaker 6: and his decision making. Sometimes when the ball leaves his

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Speaker 6: hand is beautiful. Sometimes it hits the other team. In stripe,

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Speaker 6: he throws terrible interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he does. He's a little bit of a mercurial

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Speaker 1: personality too. But man, when he's on, he throws when

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Speaker 1: he is on, like he was against the Rams last

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Speaker 1: year and he had a perfect passer rate. When he

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Speaker 1: is on, he's a nightmare. He gave the Niners trouble.

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Speaker 1: Like when he's moving around, he's feeling it, he's not

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Speaker 1: getting hit.

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Speaker 3: He's a handful. Yeah, he's a talent. John with the news,

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Speaker 3: Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line new Be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays in neonon eastern nine am Pacific on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: What a pleasure was to have Mac Brown on the

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Speaker 1: show today. And you know, some we have to we

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Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that some kids do not get a

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Speaker 1: great support system when they're young. And Arch Manning comes

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Speaker 1: from stability, great parents, grandparents, the Manning families really smart,

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Speaker 1: really classy, and you know, they're they're well healed, they've

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Speaker 1: got you know, they're they didn't they got money, so

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff can help. All the money, can

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Speaker 1: you know, more money, more problems. But I think one

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Speaker 1: of the things about Arch Manning, he feels really mature

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Speaker 1: for his age. And you know, I was you know,

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Speaker 1: his granddad, arch Archie Manning, played for the Saints, who's

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Speaker 1: actually a really good athlete. And Mac Brown talked about

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Speaker 1: Arch at Texas and his his future.

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Speaker 3: I've been around Arch enough.

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Speaker 4: He's just the smart he's uh self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh,

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Speaker 4: he he he'll he'll talk about people that have said

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Speaker 4: critical things of him and say, yeah, I understand that.

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Speaker 4: It's just I haven't played a lot yet, and so

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm really excited to watch him play.

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Speaker 1: I was really kind of impressed me last year as

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Speaker 1: a backup playing behind somebody. I think he's as good

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Speaker 1: or better than didn't say a word in the world

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Speaker 1: of transfer portal and Nil. He was making some money,

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Speaker 1: but that impressed me. Then I asked Mac about I

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Speaker 1: do think not every great NFL coach would have the

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Speaker 1: patience or the temperament for college football and boosters and

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Speaker 1: the NCAA and athletic directors. And I don't think Belichick

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Speaker 1: ten years ago would have succeeded in college football. Saban's

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Speaker 1: got a bigger personality. Saban and Belichick are linked. Are

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Speaker 1: the same guy nother or not?

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Speaker 3: Nick?

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Speaker 1: Nick is very funny, Nick loves to speak. Nick is

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Speaker 1: great on TV. Nick is a really really you know, photogenic, smart,

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Speaker 1: fun lively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bill kind of tolerates the media, you know, it's an

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable smile. But I do think the NIL really helps

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Speaker 1: Bill because it's basically free agency. It's going and buying players,

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Speaker 1: and I think that really helps him. And Mac Brown

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Speaker 1: talks about Belichick and his tarhell future.

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Speaker 4: The man can coach, he can evaluate because he had

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Speaker 4: to bring in all those kids at the Patriots and

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Speaker 4: now administrators don't like to say it, but we have

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Speaker 4: pro football at some level in college. We no longer

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Speaker 4: have amateurism. We have payment scales, We've got NIL. Kids

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Speaker 4: are asking for money, they have agents, there's negotiations. So

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Speaker 4: I do think the fact that we are much more

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Speaker 4: like the NFL than ever before will really help build

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Speaker 4: with this transition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this feeling that, you know, NFL guys are

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Speaker 1: better coaches, they'll go to college football. In the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you're as good as your quarterback. Belichick's a great example.

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Speaker 1: In college, you're as good as your recruiting. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to have a great quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Now, Dabosweeney had Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson. That helped

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Speaker 1: a lot, But I mean Nick Samon won a lot

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Speaker 1: of titles with average quarterbacks, so.

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Speaker 3: Don't even need to name them. You know who they are.

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Speaker 1: So college football is about recruiting, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: Belichick would have been a great high school recruiter, but

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Speaker 1: I do think the NIL allows him to write checks,

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Speaker 1: and he and Mike Lombardi, you know, and Lobarti's a

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Speaker 1: good personnel guy. I think they'll figure it out. I

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Speaker 1: am at much like Dion Sanders Opener against TCU. I

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Speaker 1: am I have no idea what they're going to look like.

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Speaker 1: Didn't Max say they have seventy transfers? John seventy? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you bring on five free agents, that's like whoa

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Speaker 1: slow down? It may damage chemistry. Seventy new players are

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Speaker 1: seventy new people in a new step. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the number is, but it's a lot. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was forty, but I just don't. I think it's,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, limited hours. I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: make of Carolina.

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Speaker 3: If it actually is seventy, I'm out on them.

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Speaker 6: There's no way. I mean, that's just especially him, it's

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Speaker 6: very His scheme is pretty intense.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 6: The other thing I'd find funny is like players now

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Speaker 6: ask for money, they'll just go into the office right

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Speaker 6: in college.

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Speaker 3: I need a raise.

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Speaker 6: Well, Bill for twenty years was known for saying no,

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Speaker 6: you know, not paying him. And now he's just gonna

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Speaker 6: say yes to all these guys. I mean, his whole

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Speaker 6: thing when he hung his hat on that made him

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Speaker 6: a great NFL personnel guy or make great personnel moves.

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Speaker 6: Was not willing to quote unquote over pay guys. Now

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Speaker 6: there's a salary caps a little different, but still let

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Speaker 6: me be fascinated. When the first guy knocks on his

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Speaker 6: door and wants a big Rays mid season, how Bill reacts.

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Speaker 1: The staff just sent this to me. They added forty

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Speaker 1: incoming players. Now the quarterbacks. The kid named Gio Lopez,

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Speaker 1: and I went and YouTube around Alabama or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he he's athletic guy. You know, it'd be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously got some talent, or Bill wouldn't have recruited him,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I said this sort of he to

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers steeler helmet. He's complained about it. It's awful.

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Speaker 1: It's just too big. It's a spaceship. So the staff

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Speaker 1: came out with ideas. Now the bucket. Look, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna work. That doesn't that doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: it would pass safety protocols. Oh yeah, that that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna work. No, that's not gonna work either. No, these

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Speaker 1: are bad ideas. I thought his helmet was bad.

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Speaker 3: These are worse.

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Speaker 1: No, that's the guys. That's not gonna work either. Sorry

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Speaker 1: to the radio audience, these are you don't even need

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Speaker 1: to see these. These are terrible ideas. Is that a

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Speaker 1: drum set? No, that's that's probably be a.

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Speaker 3: Little disconnectioned yahuasca tent. No, that's no coffeemaker. That's not

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Speaker 3: gonna work either. We'll see you tomorrow