WEBVTT - Ep 3: Breaking Through

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<v Speaker 1>Novel before we begin, a content warning the following episode

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<v Speaker 1>contains difficult themes and violence. After making sure my little

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<v Speaker 1>brother gets on his bus, I walk a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>blocks up the hill to wait on mine. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of nineteen eighty three and I'm heading into the

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<v Speaker 1>first grade throughout elementary school. Neighborhood. Friends and I meet

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<v Speaker 1>at the driveway of some stranger's house to keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye out for the big yellow school bus that will

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<v Speaker 1>take us through Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>For the next four years.

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<v Speaker 1>I always sit next to the window so I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the city go by. The morning journey starts in

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<v Speaker 1>North Nashville, near Jefferson Street, a black historic neighborhood. The

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<v Speaker 1>bus snakes through the streets of quiet homes where you

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<v Speaker 1>just knew someone's grandparents lived. There are chairs on front porches,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how small, and carefully wild bushes of roses

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<v Speaker 1>or honeysuckle or whatever, bright colorful flowers bloom when it's

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<v Speaker 1>their time. Instead of taking the forty interstate that had

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<v Speaker 1>devastated the neighborhood with its arrival in the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>the bus bounces over railroad tracks into the west side

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<v Speaker 1>of Nashville until we arrive in Sylvan Park, a white

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<v Speaker 1>part of town. The deeper we go, the denser the

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<v Speaker 1>trees grow, blocking the sun. Not in a menacing way,

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<v Speaker 1>in an undisturbed way. The houses range from quaint to

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<v Speaker 1>gingerbread to many country castles, and it's clear no one

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<v Speaker 1>is sending an inner state through this neighborhood. As the

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<v Speaker 1>bus glides into position in front of my elementary school,

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<v Speaker 1>I steal myself.

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<v Speaker 2>For the day ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside I'll be separated from my bus friends and become

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<v Speaker 1>the only black girl in whatever they called gifted classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, I only see my black friends at lunch

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<v Speaker 1>and pe and then again in the afternoon on the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>Ride back to North Nashville.

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<v Speaker 1>When I became an adult, I realized I'd been part

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<v Speaker 1>of a long term bussing program to help desegregate schools

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<v Speaker 1>in Nashville. The rhythms of my daily school year routine,

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<v Speaker 1>the long winding bus journey, days split between black friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family and white classmates and teachers, were all part

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<v Speaker 1>of a bigger political project to address a deep legacy

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<v Speaker 1>of discrimination and segregation. And though I didn't quite realize

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<v Speaker 1>it at the time, I was learning not just about multiplications, spelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and how to write incursive. I was also absorbing lessons

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<v Speaker 1>about what it meant to succeed as a black girl

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<v Speaker 1>in America. What was expected of you, what lines and

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<v Speaker 1>worlds you had to carefully walk between. When I started

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<v Speaker 1>working on this podcast, I recognized this part of myself

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<v Speaker 1>in Unice Carter, the need to be respectable, to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to move in white spaces. When we last left Unis,

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<v Speaker 1>she had been dreaming of making an impact and had

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<v Speaker 1>decided the law was the place she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. By nineteen twenty eight, Unice left her writing

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<v Speaker 1>and the Harlem renaissance behind. When I was separated from

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<v Speaker 1>my black friends in school for advanced classes, I did

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<v Speaker 1>not enjoy being the only black person or the only

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<v Speaker 1>black girl in the room. I wondered if being singled

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<v Speaker 1>out for her intelligence and ambition was important to Unis

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<v Speaker 1>as she separated herself from her parents' legacy and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of her community in Harlem. It seems like she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted more for herself, But did she worry what would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if she failed. I'm Nicole Perkins and from the

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<v Speaker 1>teams at iHeartRadio and novel This Is the Godmother, Episode three,

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<v Speaker 1>Breaking through.

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<v Speaker 3>The gold past a point out where a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the like clubs were compass saying Phillips the Priscopal Church reading.

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<v Speaker 1>During my walking tour of Harlem, one of the stops

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<v Speaker 1>my guide was most excited to show me was Seventh Avenue.

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<v Speaker 3>One of start going down Seventh Avenue. Okay, we can

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<v Speaker 3>go by what Billie Holliday was discovered. We can go

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<v Speaker 3>to the home of Langston News. We'll cut across p

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<v Speaker 3>the avenue, go, of course of rankin Newser's house.

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<v Speaker 1>At the height of the Harlem Renaissance, Seventh Avenue was

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<v Speaker 1>the scene of some of its best night life, and

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<v Speaker 1>just a few blocks south of Seventh Avenue and one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty fifth Street was.

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<v Speaker 2>This large elm tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It had grown there for decades, and it was nicknamed

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<v Speaker 1>the Tree of Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the Wishing Tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It gave Seventh Avenue the name the Boulevard of Dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>The story is that one day one of Harlem's actors

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<v Speaker 1>stood underneath this elm tree wishing for a job, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a producer walked up to offer him one. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three, America is firmly in the midst of

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression, passers by are touching that elm tree

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<v Speaker 1>for good luck, placing their hands on this trunk, wishing

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<v Speaker 1>for work, and wonder if Eunice was superstitious at all,

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<v Speaker 1>if she ever made a wish on the tree trunk

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<v Speaker 1>as she passed by. Six years have passed since we

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<v Speaker 1>last saw Unice. As she's looking for somewhere to hang

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<v Speaker 1>the shingle for her own private law practice. She'd settled

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<v Speaker 1>on an office just a little way down from the

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<v Speaker 1>Tree of Hope. She'd graduated law school and passed the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>For all intentsive purposes, she'd succeeded in her plan to

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<v Speaker 1>escape a more traditional life as housewife and social life.

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<v Speaker 1>But if some of that elmtree luck rubbed off on

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<v Speaker 1>Unis her first couple of years as a private practice

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<v Speaker 1>attorney do not show it. It was a far cry

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<v Speaker 1>from what she imagined for herself when she entered law school. First,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back in time a little bit to Eunice

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<v Speaker 1>Hunting Carter arriving at the Woolworth Building downtown Manhattan on

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<v Speaker 1>a bright September day in nineteen twenty seven. The Woolworth

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<v Speaker 1>Building at two thirty three Broadway is glamorous and Gothic

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<v Speaker 1>imagine Westminster Abbey, but slicker and as a skyscraper.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got a cathedral like.

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<v Speaker 1>Presence, all fifty eight floors looming over the city. Eunice

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<v Speaker 1>enters the lobby that day, full of hope and with

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<v Speaker 1>an ambitious plan. She needs to navigate her way out

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<v Speaker 1>of the monotony facing her. She's not just a writer

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<v Speaker 1>or a housewife and mother. She's not just missus Lyle Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>She is more, or at least she plans to be.

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<v Speaker 1>As Unice steps into that lobby for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>she is surrounded by intricate gold latticework, mosaics, glossy marble stone,

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<v Speaker 1>shafts of light filtering through lead light windows. When she

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<v Speaker 1>enters the elevator, an attendant dings the button that will

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<v Speaker 1>take her up to the twenty seventh and twenty eighth floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Fordham Law School.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a library, three large classrooms, some offices for the

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<v Speaker 1>dean and the registrar. There's a smoking room, and the

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<v Speaker 1>most spectacular view the New York City skyline. It's around

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<v Speaker 1>six o'clock in the evening, long shadows cast by the

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<v Speaker 1>setting sun on the west side.

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<v Speaker 4>She was attending at night while still working as a

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<v Speaker 4>social worker. A lot of law schools made it difficult

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<v Speaker 4>to attend if you were working or had other obligations.

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<v Speaker 4>So women, black people, Jewish people, Catholics. Bar was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to keep all these people out of the practice of law,

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<v Speaker 4>and so Fordham was trying to be more inclusive by

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<v Speaker 4>allowing people to attend night classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Eunice's decision to attend law school probably came with considerable debate.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a toddler at home, a perfectly good career

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<v Speaker 1>under her belt already. Eunice's own mother, Addie, preached that

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<v Speaker 1>the best place for a black woman was by her

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<v Speaker 1>husband's side at home, not gallivanting around Manhattan at night.

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<v Speaker 1>A masterclass example of the do as I say, not

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<v Speaker 1>as I do lifestyle, Unice strikes me as a stubborn woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a stubborn woman myself, I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if all the possible backlash against her decision made her

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<v Speaker 1>even more determined to earn her law degree. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there were plenty of people who doubted her ability to

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<v Speaker 1>succeed her classmates. Is she stared at as she makes

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<v Speaker 1>her way to class do her peers wonder whether she

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<v Speaker 1>strolled in by accident.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably got that a lot in her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprised at seeing her in predominantly white spaces. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone accused her of cheating, or how many times

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<v Speaker 1>she remained quiet so no one thought she was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to prove herself better than everyone else. Maybe she had

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<v Speaker 1>her own doubts. As smart and determined as she is,

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<v Speaker 1>She's only human despite it all. During that first term

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<v Speaker 1>at Fordham in nineteen twenty seven, Unice's marks are unsurprisingly good.

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<v Speaker 4>She liked the study of law a lot, found it

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<v Speaker 4>very interesting. She was very detail oriented.

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<v Speaker 5>Eunice's forte was doing you know, research, and she kind

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<v Speaker 5>of excelled in going through documents.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's not at Fordham too long when clouds appear

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<v Speaker 1>on the horizon and things start to slide to the left.

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<v Speaker 1>In her second year at Fordham, Unice takes a sabbatical. Publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>she tells people that it's because she's sick. Later she

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<v Speaker 1>would say it was actually her son, Lyle Carter Junior

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<v Speaker 1>who was ill. But there's some historical speculation over this.

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<v Speaker 1>From everything I know about Unice, the idea of her

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<v Speaker 1>taking a break from law school seems unusual. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>loneliness of being the only black person and the sea

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<v Speaker 1>of white men was getting to her. The only reason

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<v Speaker 1>I question it is that she wasn't even resting during

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<v Speaker 1>that time off.

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<v Speaker 4>And even during her time off for illness, she was

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<v Speaker 4>working still political activism and campaigning.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Unice's first foray into politics. She's working on

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<v Speaker 1>the campaigns of some Republican candidates. That was probably as

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<v Speaker 1>much of an education as law school. Unice's leave of

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<v Speaker 1>absence was eighteen months, but something must have drawn her

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<v Speaker 1>back because eventually she returns to her evening studies. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the kind of instant success she's probably used to.

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<v Speaker 4>So she did fail the bar exam the first time

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<v Speaker 4>that she took it and had to retake it and

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<v Speaker 4>passed on the second.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to be fair to Unice, her exam was on mortgages,

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<v Speaker 1>so she might have had trouble staying awake. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>she does finally pass her exams. Between her education law

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<v Speaker 1>school and her foray into politics, Unice has to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>a theme. She's often the only black woman in white,

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<v Speaker 1>male dominated spaces. Is this what she thought she had

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with in order to be at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty three, Unice becomes one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>black female qualified lawyers in New York. But what has

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<v Speaker 1>she sacrificed of herself to get there? Walking along the

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<v Speaker 1>Boulevard of Dreams, past the Tree of Hope and towards

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<v Speaker 1>her small private practice office in Harlem, Unice would have

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<v Speaker 1>been carrying the weight of the decisions she'd made. To

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<v Speaker 1>be a trailblazer sometimes means being so far ahead you

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<v Speaker 1>end up alone.

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<v Speaker 2>So when she.

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<v Speaker 1>Does finally open up her business, things were pretty slow.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no professional accolades and finalizing wills. No one

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<v Speaker 1>is going to write an article about her for handling

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<v Speaker 1>misdemeanor charges. It's not exactly prestigious work. Unice may have

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<v Speaker 1>been a lawyer, but she wasn't exactly setting the world

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<v Speaker 1>of law on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>But she sticks with us for nearly two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she ever worry she had flung herself in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong direction? Did she have too much pride to turn

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<v Speaker 1>and back? Had she sacrificed too much to retrace her steps?

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<v Speaker 1>I know I've made some decisions that made me question

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<v Speaker 1>if I'd made the right move, But I kept moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes that's the only way to shake off self doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>This must have been the quote tale of long dark

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<v Speaker 1>years she'd imagined for others when she wrote that essay

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<v Speaker 1>of hers about blazing trails and breaking through. While she's

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to break through on her path, Eunice's former neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>from her Brooklyn childhood, Lucky Luciano, is succeeding beyond his

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<v Speaker 1>wildest dreams. He had chosen a very different route up

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain. Okay, so when we last left legendary New

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<v Speaker 1>York mobster Lucky Luciano, he was graduating too, through the

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<v Speaker 1>layers of the New York underworld hierarchy and in the twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>as Units had been making her way in Harlem during

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<v Speaker 1>her years as a czarina and social climber, Lucky was

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<v Speaker 1>doing a similar thing, making new friends, new friends with

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<v Speaker 1>a certain status.

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<v Speaker 6>They called him the Broadway mob. Frank Costello, Myra Lansky,

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<v Speaker 6>Benny Siegel.

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<v Speaker 1>Hip hop heads and fans of gangster movies alike should

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<v Speaker 1>recognize these names in a heartbeat. Lucky's new associates have

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<v Speaker 1>traveled through time to become some of the most well

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<v Speaker 1>known mobsters ever.

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<v Speaker 6>What distinguished Lucky's Broadway mob from a lot of other

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<v Speaker 6>gangs was that it was multi ethnic. Mayra Lansky was Jewish,

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<v Speaker 6>Benny Siegel was Jewish, Frank Costello was Italian. Unlike his

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<v Speaker 6>old fashioned mafia predecessors, what he called the old mustache beats.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen thirties, Lucky and his crew are serious

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<v Speaker 1>players in the world of New York crime. And in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty one, as Unice is arriving downtown at the

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<v Speaker 1>Woolworth Building each evening, struggling to finish law school, Lucky

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<v Speaker 1>is finding.

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<v Speaker 2>Things a little easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon He's headed out each evening from an equally impressive

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan address, the Waldorf Astoria, the largest and tallest hotel

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. This is Lucky Luciano's new home. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who catch a glimpse of him riding down the elevator

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<v Speaker 1>from his thirty ninth floor suite and walking confidently through

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<v Speaker 1>the luxurious lobby will see an almost unrecognizable figure. He's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer the scruffy street urchin from Little Italy.

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<v Speaker 7>Lucky Luciano was known for silk underwear. Silk shirts, never

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<v Speaker 7>a suit off the rack, always tailored. Pinky ring in particular,

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<v Speaker 7>was gold The shoes were always, of course, Italian leather.

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<v Speaker 7>If they would wear a fedora, it was usually some

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<v Speaker 7>expensive fur.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything from head to toe, especially tailored.

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<v Speaker 7>This was the general dress of the guys that quote

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<v Speaker 7>unquote made it. Yes, there was vanity. Some could argue

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<v Speaker 7>it was narcissism.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was more to it than that.

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<v Speaker 7>They didn't want to look like gangsters. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>look like upstanding, high society citizens. They want to look

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<v Speaker 7>like the Rockefellers.

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<v Speaker 1>Eunice and Lucky Luciano. Their journey to respectability is quite similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Unis uses education and class status. Lucky uses a tailored

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<v Speaker 1>and expensive wardrobe to prove himself, and for now, at least,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky's methods seem to be the ones getting results.

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<v Speaker 7>It was New York high life, if there ever was one.

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<v Speaker 7>Traveled in the best cars, dined in the finest restaurants,

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<v Speaker 7>hobnobbed with celebrities, living high up in the Waldorf Astoria,

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<v Speaker 7>all the best trappings, the best parties.

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<v Speaker 1>For extra protection, he now uses bodyguards and uses frequent aliases.

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<v Speaker 1>But not all of Lucky's physical changes since those days

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<v Speaker 1>when he and Unice were kids in Brooklyn are deliberate

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<v Speaker 1>He's had his own years of struggle too. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>few years before he came to live at the.

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<v Speaker 7>Astoria, Lucky Luciano was abducted, taken to Staten Island, beaten up, scarred, bleeding,

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<v Speaker 7>passed out, and tossed out on a beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Abducted by police, so the story goes.

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<v Speaker 7>The reason they were beating him up, according to Lucky Luccianum,

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<v Speaker 7>is they wanted information on a criminal who was more

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<v Speaker 7>infamous than he was at that time. He wouldn't give

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<v Speaker 7>it up, so they beat the hell out of him.

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<v Speaker 1>So by nineteen thirty one, Lucky's appearances also marked by

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<v Speaker 1>scars that line his face and a droopy eye.

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<v Speaker 7>From that moment on, the mythology of Lucky Lucciano's scars

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<v Speaker 7>was born.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's no surprise Lucky's rise to the Waldorf had

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<v Speaker 1>caused him to get into some scrapes. Ever since Lucky

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<v Speaker 1>had walked away from school, he was regularly in contact

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the underworld's most violent citizens, and not

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<v Speaker 1>just in Little.

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<v Speaker 7>Italy, across the country, from New York to Chicago to

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<v Speaker 7>Detroit to San Francisco. These people were all on the

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<v Speaker 7>same page.

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<v Speaker 2>And that page well.

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<v Speaker 1>While units had been riding high on the socialized scene

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenties Harlem Renaissance, Lucky and his contemporaries had

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<v Speaker 1>been getting rich supplying all the booze that had been

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<v Speaker 1>helping Harlem swing. This is the era of Prohibition, when

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<v Speaker 1>religious Zealous convinced the federal government to ban the production, sale,

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<v Speaker 1>and transportation of alcohol during the twenties.

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<v Speaker 8>Prohibition is the best thing that ever happened to the

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<v Speaker 8>mob because we have something that is illegal, but for

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<v Speaker 8>which there's still a very active and consistent market.

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<v Speaker 1>The government had created a gold mine for all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of outlaws.

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<v Speaker 9>Prohibition makes an entire sector of the economy, the booze sector,

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<v Speaker 9>illegal overnight. That means if you want a glass beer,

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<v Speaker 9>you're going to have to concert with criminals. All of

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<v Speaker 9>a sudden need now to be more criminals to provide

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<v Speaker 9>all this booze.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky isn't just any kind of outlaw. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>particular knack for making friends in useful places and keeping them.

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<v Speaker 8>There's so many little stories, not even major things, but

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<v Speaker 8>there's just many stories of both men and women coming

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<v Speaker 8>in contact with him and singling him out for being

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<v Speaker 8>this very charismatic man.

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<v Speaker 1>His experience of striving for more in multi ethnic Little

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<v Speaker 1>Italy has given him a special appreciation for working across

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<v Speaker 1>different gangs.

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<v Speaker 8>He certainly wanted as much power for himself as possible,

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<v Speaker 8>but if it benefited him, he did not see any

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<v Speaker 8>problem with crossing ethnic lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky was able to make the kind of connections necessary

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<v Speaker 1>when sourcing booze from across the country.

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<v Speaker 9>That's where you see the rise of modern organized crime

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<v Speaker 9>starting to work across state lines, across city line with

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<v Speaker 9>bosses beginning to collaborate. Because it's very expensive and very

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<v Speaker 9>difficult to move a lot of liquor, you need to

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<v Speaker 9>have really good connections.

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<v Speaker 2>To supply.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, a Harlem speakeasy where jazz pioneer Fletcher Henderson

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<v Speaker 1>might pop in to pass the time between sets. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he sweet talks a young legal student who stopped by

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<v Speaker 1>on her way home from her evening classes at the

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<v Speaker 1>Woolworth Building, so the rumor goes something to help them

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<v Speaker 1>both ignore that ring on her finger.

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<v Speaker 8>Prohibition provides the opportunity for mobsters to become millionaires. Literally,

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<v Speaker 8>these are men in their twenties and thirties that are

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<v Speaker 8>making millions of dollars when the average salary is a

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<v Speaker 8>couple thousand dollars in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how Lucky came to be living it up,

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<v Speaker 1>riding high on the boozy wave of Prohibition, a wave

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<v Speaker 1>that sweeps him as high as the thirty ninth floor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Waldorf Astoria in nineteen thirty one. He's far

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<v Speaker 1>from done riding that wave, but all waves eventually break.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky's existence in the early nineteen thirties isn't all high life. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the jewelry, the silk shirts, the opium parties, the showgirls,

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<v Speaker 1>but the scars that he sees on his face each

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<v Speaker 1>morning in the mirror are likely an unnecessary reminder. Lucky

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<v Speaker 1>operates in a high stakes business full of danger, death,

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<v Speaker 1>and betrayal. At the start of nineteen thirty one, there

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<v Speaker 1>are still those above Lucky in the mob food chain.

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<v Speaker 1>Because New York is reaching the climax of an especially

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<v Speaker 1>bloody mob feud, something that will be known as the Castella.

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<v Speaker 2>Maes A War.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky is going to use that war to catapult himse

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<v Speaker 1>to the top of the underworld food chain and unbeknownst

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<v Speaker 1>to him, right into Eunice's orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>So this Caste La Maries War.

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<v Speaker 7>From nineteen thirty to nineteen thirty one, Lucky and many

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<v Speaker 7>of his brethren are fighting against each other in a

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<v Speaker 7>two pronged war between two would be mob bosses in

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<v Speaker 7>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Two prongs, two mob bosses, Joe Mazzaia and Salvatoria Marizano.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't need to remember them. They're both about

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<v Speaker 1>to die. These two guys have been the main New

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<v Speaker 1>York mob powers for quite a while, so gangsters know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're involved in crime in New York, you've generally

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<v Speaker 1>got to be kicking up some of your profits to

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<v Speaker 1>one of them.

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<v Speaker 7>And Lucky he was working from Masorea and realized, as

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<v Speaker 7>did his brethren, Masoi was weak.

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<v Speaker 1>On an April morning in nineteen thirty one, Lucky heads

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<v Speaker 1>over to Coney Island for a spot of lunch with

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<v Speaker 1>the boss Massaia. Legend has it he is at the

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<v Speaker 1>table when gunmen roll into the restaurant, aim their guns

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<v Speaker 1>at Joe Massaia and shoot, and.

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<v Speaker 6>That ended the cast On Larrazi War.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wondering how Lucky made such a lucky escape.

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<v Speaker 1>From lunch that day. But don't worry, he actually organized

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<v Speaker 1>the whole assassination himself.

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<v Speaker 6>Lucky Luciano agreed to kill Joe the Boss Massarea and

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<v Speaker 6>throw his lot in with Salvatory Marenzano.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, in this act of Macavelian betrayal, Lucky Luciano

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<v Speaker 1>is an even more powerful mandebster. But he's not done there,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when word reaches him that luck might not last

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<v Speaker 1>with the new boss.

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<v Speaker 7>Marenzano put a nail in his own coffin when he

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<v Speaker 7>wrote a list of all the people he wanted knocked off,

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<v Speaker 7>and on that list was Lucky Luciano.

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<v Speaker 1>This mobster Marenzano had written down an actual hit list.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like a very wise thing for a

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<v Speaker 1>wise guy to do. And in September nineteen thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Mafia lore says that associates of Lucky's disguised themselves as

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<v Speaker 1>treasury agents.

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<v Speaker 7>They entered Maronzano's office, stabbed and shot him to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Put yourself in lucky shoes. You've just portrayed your first boss,

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<v Speaker 1>and now the man you've done it for is journaling

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<v Speaker 1>about having you killed. He might not have felt he

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<v Speaker 1>had any choice. Left, but to take some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>action anyway. By the fall of nineteen thirty one, Lucky's

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<v Speaker 1>taken out two bosses of New York's underworld.

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<v Speaker 6>When the smoke cleared in nineteen thirty one, Lucky Luciana

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<v Speaker 6>was a head of organized crime in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, according to gangster Laura again, Lucky is said

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<v Speaker 1>to do something even more ambitious, something that a million

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<v Speaker 1>mob movies and self claimed mob informants will refer back

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<v Speaker 1>to for decades to come.

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<v Speaker 10>Luciano decided it's not very safe to be a boss

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<v Speaker 10>of bosses, because somehow you don't last very long in

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<v Speaker 10>that capacity.

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<v Speaker 8>What he really does is he creates a board of directors.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky is said to have created something called the Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to be its head, a chairman of the

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<v Speaker 1>board of sorts.

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<v Speaker 8>He structures it so that everything, yes, kind of has

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<v Speaker 8>to go through him, but also has to go through

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<v Speaker 8>every other leader.

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<v Speaker 10>He developed a new job description for the boss of bosses,

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 10>Lucky Luciano.

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<v Speaker 6>He's called the man who organized crime in America. For

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 6>that reason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how Lucky. We'll end up at the Waldorf Astoria

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>sleeping easily in his big featherbed each night. But remember

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>he is a mobster, and the quiet life can only

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<v Speaker 1>last for so long. Just a few years later, in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty one, as Unis sits in her Harlem law

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.120
<v Speaker 1>office waiting for her next client to call with an

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>exciting will or mortgage application, alarm bells are going off

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>across organized crime in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Prohibition is coming to an end.

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<v Speaker 9>All of a sudden, This huge illegal economy just goes away,

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<v Speaker 9>and you have all these bootleggers looking around thinking, what's

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<v Speaker 9>our next opportunity? Where are we going to go? They're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to go get jobs in the insurance industry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for Lucky and his crew to conjure up

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>some new ways to keep those silk shirts on their backs.

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>But these guys are professional opportunists, and all around they

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<v Speaker 1>see a world.

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<v Speaker 2>Ripe for exploitation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd been to most speakeasies or jazz clubs in

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<v Speaker 1>New York in the era of prohibition, you're likely to

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<v Speaker 1>have noticed a few consistent things. The music, of course,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>free and flowing. This is the jazz age. After all,

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>there's the booze illegal. But thanks to the likes of

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Lucky and his networks, just as free flowing as the

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<v Speaker 1>jazz around you. Then there's the crowd full of bright

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<v Speaker 1>light and inner people like Unice in her twenties and thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>cool and glamorous, but linger a little longer, look a

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<v Speaker 1>little closer, you might notice some others in the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe looking a little bit more world weary.

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<v Speaker 9>You are at all interested in the jazz age, that

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<v Speaker 9>means you are probably interested in nightlife. It's like a

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<v Speaker 9>three legged stool. You gotta have music, you gotta have

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<v Speaker 9>some kind of stimulant, and you gotta have women. And

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<v Speaker 9>turns out there are not enough women to populate every

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<v Speaker 9>speakeasy and every jazz club, every dive in New York

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<v Speaker 9>City unless you pay them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're back in the late twenties now, Prohibition

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<v Speaker 1>is still in full swing, so to speak. Unice was

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<v Speaker 1>having a harder time that she's used to at law school,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lucky is still just a man on the way

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>up in the underworld. We're in a on the Upper

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<v Speaker 1>West Side, just a little farther downtown from the places

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<v Speaker 1>Unis frequence in Harlem. And to be honest, the place

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<v Speaker 1>we're in is it the kind of spot unis would

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<v Speaker 1>likely choose to visit anyway. Across the room sits a small,

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<v Speaker 1>pale woman with scarlet painted lips, or at least that's

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<v Speaker 1>how the papers will come.

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<v Speaker 2>To describe her.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Florence Newman or Florence Brown or Cokeie

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<v Speaker 1>Flow Brown or just Cokie Flow. I'm going to stick

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<v Speaker 1>with Cokeie Flow, and she's had a pretty rough journey

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<v Speaker 1>before arriving here this evening.

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<v Speaker 9>There are, of course, vas swaths of women who are

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<v Speaker 9>in fact compelled, who are trafficked, who are manipulated or

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<v Speaker 9>beaten into being prostitutes. In many ways, it's a very difficult, stressful,

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<v Speaker 9>a dangerous job for a lot of people, but it

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<v Speaker 9>pays well and it can offer women amendous amount of autonomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Koki Flow first came to New York in the nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way of Cleveland, Ohio, and Duluth, Minnesota, haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been taken in by a businessman at just fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>By eighteen, Cooki Flow.

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<v Speaker 1>Has moved on to become a mistress to three different

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<v Speaker 1>underworld figures.

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<v Speaker 9>There are people who are using it just like a

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<v Speaker 9>stepping stone in their career.

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<v Speaker 1>By the late nineteen twenties. She's in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>running her own brothels on the Upper east Side and

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<v Speaker 1>some across town.

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<v Speaker 2>On the East Side, she operated as a madam.

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<v Speaker 9>You could really find sex at every price point.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're looking to buy sex. It's not just Cokie

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<v Speaker 1>flows houses that you want to consider. New York City

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<v Speaker 1>provides a world of options.

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<v Speaker 9>There are top dollar joints. They were like high end

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<v Speaker 9>speakeasies where they have the best food and they have cooks,

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<v Speaker 9>so you could stop by anytime for a night cap

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<v Speaker 9>and some free food and top flight booth and you

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<v Speaker 9>could hang out. You could gamble. You could just come

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<v Speaker 9>and drink with your friends by backgammon with the madam

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<v Speaker 9>and maybe head off to the bedroom or maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>From there, you moved down the scale.

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<v Speaker 9>There were ten dollar houses where you could show up

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<v Speaker 9>and it would be nice and you might get a

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<v Speaker 9>little rushed.

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<v Speaker 2>And further down the scale two dollar houses where.

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<v Speaker 9>They would actually have a ticket that you would wear

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<v Speaker 9>on your bathroom and as you service some man, the

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<v Speaker 9>housekeeper would click it so that at the end of

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<v Speaker 9>the night you would see how many people. And there

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<v Speaker 9>are women who were servicing thirty forty men a night,

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<v Speaker 9>they just move you through.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex Workers in the twenties also face the new challenges

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<v Speaker 1>because across America a general atmosphere of unspoken tolerance towards

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<v Speaker 1>the profession is now turning sour.

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<v Speaker 9>At the beginning of the two twentieth century, it was

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<v Speaker 9>still super common for young men to lose their virginity

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<v Speaker 9>in brothels. Most towns of any size had a red

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<v Speaker 9>light district where it wasn't legal, but it was sort

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<v Speaker 9>of tolerated. The problem comes for the people in the

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<v Speaker 9>business of the flesh trades around World War One, where

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<v Speaker 9>there is an uproar over prostitution gaining visibility. You got

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<v Speaker 9>all these young boys joining the military, going overseas and

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<v Speaker 9>going to brothels with all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 9>and all kinds of bad habits, and so the government

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<v Speaker 9>feels like we cannot be having all these young men

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 9>bringing home sexually transmitted diseases and bringing shame upon our

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<v Speaker 9>war and our army. So they require any town that

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<v Speaker 9>hosts troops to shut down all of their red light districts.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the early twenties, the madams running brothels, so

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<v Speaker 1>they have to be fairly discreet.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, that doesn't mean there's no more prostitutes. They just

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<v Speaker 9>go under ground.

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<v Speaker 1>You might meet a woman like Koki Flow and a

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<v Speaker 1>speak easy, but her trade is usually carried out from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else nearby.

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<v Speaker 9>The women have to go into apartment buildings where they're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to be seen by cops as much, where

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<v Speaker 9>they're going to be able to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as people sell dinner plates or do hair from

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>their homes, there are some women who run sex work

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 1>operations out of these apartments. Think Airbnbs for sex. Scattered

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<v Speaker 1>across the city.

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<v Speaker 9>There were just places where you could do whatever you

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 9>weren't supposed to be doing out in public. So that's

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<v Speaker 9>where you start to see the rise of the booker.

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<v Speaker 9>All you had to do is if you got a call,

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 9>you could say, okay, go to West seventy third Street.

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 9>The key is under the mat. There will be a

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<v Speaker 9>girl waiting for you, or there will be a girl

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<v Speaker 9>that arrives. In fact, real estate and prostitution are deeply intertwined.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the ways you could be sure to both

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 9>fill upon artment buildings during economic downturns and get top

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 9>dollar for them is by renting them to madams and prostitutes.

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 9>They would often pay triple. It also meant that your

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 9>superintendent was going to get a bribe, because it's very

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 9>hard to keep that secret. Your doorman would often get

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 9>a bribe. This is the era when elevators were not automated,

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 9>so there would usually be an elevator operator who would

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<v Speaker 9>usually get a bribe. So it was an expensive business

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 9>to be a madam actually, but it was a lucrative

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 9>business if you were a landlord.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just dorman, superintendents, elevator operators, and landlords

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<v Speaker 1>with their hands out taking money from sex workers during

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<v Speaker 1>the twenties. A specific kind of organized criminal is taking

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<v Speaker 1>money from them too.

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<v Speaker 9>It is, in fact, the government entities the vice ring

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<v Speaker 9>of the nineteen twenties, which is not dominated by criminals.

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 9>It's not dominated by syndicated c that got other things

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<v Speaker 9>to do that are far more profitable. It's a ring

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<v Speaker 9>between the lawyers, the cops, the judges, and the girls.

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 9>It is the law who are bleeding the prostitutes dry.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we move into the early thirties, as lucky

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<v Speaker 1>as playing both sides in the Castela Maries a war,

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>something surprising happens. A whole bunch of these corrupt officials,

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the judges and cops profiting off the sex workers, start.

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 2>To get arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>City Hall tries to clean house as part of sweeping

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>anti corruption drives. It doesn't end corruption in New York politics,

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<v Speaker 1>far from it, but it does have an impact on

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>sex work, and it means that at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties Koki flow in her colleagues into their own

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>strange kind of golden age.

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<v Speaker 9>Those early years in the thirties are kind of a

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<v Speaker 9>free for all and a great time to be running

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 9>a house of prostitution because nobody's harassing you from the

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 9>vice squad. The dirty judges have been mostly kicked out.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember this is nineteen thirties America, and a woman

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<v Speaker 1>run unexploited industry was never going to last.

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<v Speaker 9>When prohibition ends, everything changes. You have all these bootleggers

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 9>who are looking around thinking what's our next opportunity? Where

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<v Speaker 9>are we going to go? So the first thing they

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<v Speaker 9>do is they say, let's get in on this booking business.

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<v Speaker 1>On the southern side of East Manhattan, you'll find Mott Street.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a narrow, bustling thoroughfare. One of the streets where

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky Luciano grew up, and by the end of prohibition

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<v Speaker 1>it's the headquarters of Italian organized crime. These headquarters are

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 1>run on Lucky's behalf by a bunch of well characters.

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<v Speaker 9>Real scumbags, if I may say so.

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<v Speaker 1>These gangsters from Mott Street were creatively known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Mott Street Boys.

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 9>Who had been working for Lucky Luciana for years, running

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 9>the liquor exchange, busting' heads, dealing drugs, whatever was profitable.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 1>The Mott Street Boys are led by a mid level

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<v Speaker 1>mob enforcer.

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<v Speaker 9>A guy named Tommy the Bold Pinocchio.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the start of nineteen thirty four, when the

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<v Speaker 1>Mott Street Boys and other former bootleggers are still scratching

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>their heads for new ways of making money post Prohibition,

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>it's Tommy the Bull who has the bright idea.

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<v Speaker 9>Tommy thinks, look, there's a whole untapped industry here that

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 9>we could begin to shake down.

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.240
<v Speaker 1>An industry that does not seem to be suffering. Despite

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 1>New York being in the midst of the Great Depression.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 9>The taste for brothels and for prostitutes did not decline.

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 1>The mob hasn't had much of a connection to that trade.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Before at this point, because sex work is a bit

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of a cottage industry.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 9>Individual women servicing individual men.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Mott Street Boys have an idea a way

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>for scaling up their involvement across lots of sex work operations.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 1>They start busting up brothels and once inside they give

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>those businesses an offer they can't refuse to use their

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.959
<v Speaker 1>money as a kind of protection racket for the sex

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<v Speaker 1>workers in case of trouble with the law.

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<v Speaker 9>That is to say, pooling money to get women out

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 9>of jail when they get arrested, and that certainly helps

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 9>and you can have it. In terms of booking talent.

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<v Speaker 1>These bookers have become a crucial component to the way

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 1>sex work in this era operates.

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 9>Prostitution bookers would treat it like a talent agency where

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 9>they had a roster of girls that they would send

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 9>out to different brothels around the city.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>But as well as connecting the sex workers with customers,

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>bookers provide another service.

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<v Speaker 9>The women pay the booker ten bucks a week and

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<v Speaker 9>then if you get arrested, he'll come bail you out.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Mott Street Boys are going to run the

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>bookers and the sex workers.

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<v Speaker 9>They begin to encounter problems almost as soon as they start.

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 9>Most of the women did not want to work with

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 9>Tommy the Bull and his gang as thugs, and it's.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Not like sex workers have much spare money to start

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>handing out for this mob protection.

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 8>They worked twelve hour days, six days a week. They

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.720
<v Speaker 8>pocketed about forty dollars out of their roughly two hundred

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 8>dollars in weekly earnings.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 2>But what choice do they really have?

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<v Speaker 1>So the mob moves in and brings an end to

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that ever so brief golden age of sex work. Under

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the new system, the men working as bookers are making

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 1>money from the sex workers and the madams, but not

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>as much as those at the top of the tree,

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>men like Luciano, who demand a cut of all the profits.

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Sex work is not the only industry noticing an increased

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>mob presence since the fall of Prohibition. As New York

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>moves into the mid thirties, this model of diversification grows

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and grows, and who was going to stop it?

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<v Speaker 6>Many suspected, as was the case, that New York politics

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 6>were deeply corrupted by organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Why were the police so ineffective when it came to

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>curbing some of this organized crime?

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Violence.

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<v Speaker 11>I got. The first thing to do if you're going

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 11>to be a good criminal is to start doing something

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 11>with the police.

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<v Speaker 1>The mob is on the move across New York, which

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>meant Harlem as well.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I imagine for unis.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of Harlem's appeal is the community, the glitz, and

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the people. But the mob, of course has more nefarious motivations,

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to an industry.

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<v Speaker 2>My own family knows.

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<v Speaker 1>A thing or two about that's coming up in episode

0:42:54.000 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>four of The Godmother. On this episode of The Godmother,

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you heard Carolyn Johnson, my Harlem tour guide.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Harlem. That's the name of my company.

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm still My name is Leah Carter.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 4>I am Eunice Carter's great granddaughter. Her son. Lyle is

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 4>my dad's father. Unis influenced my grandfather, and he influenced

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 4>my dad, and my dad influenced me. Now that I

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.720
<v Speaker 4>have a grand unified theory of that exactly.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 5>I'm Marilyn Greenwald. I'm a professor Emerita of journalism at

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 5>Ohio University, and I'm the author of five biographies, including

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 5>one of Eunice Hunting Carter.

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 6>My name is Chuck Greeves. Before becoming a writer. I

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 6>spent twenty five years as a Los Angeles trial lawyer.

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 6>My fourth novel was basically a fictionalization of the famous

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 6>nineteen thirty six vice trial, in which Luckily Chiana was

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 6>prosecuted by Thomas Dewey.

0:43:56.360 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 7>My name is Christian Sipollini and I am an author

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 7>and a historian with a specialty in the fields of

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 7>true crime, organized crime, and cartel history.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 8>I am Claire White and I am the director of

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 8>education at the Mob Museum in downtown Las Vegas. I

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<v Speaker 8>grew up in Las Vegas, which kind of gives me

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<v Speaker 8>a leg up in that regard.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm Debbie Applegate. I'm a historian and biographer, and I

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<v Speaker 9>am the author of Madam, The Biography of Polyadler Icon

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<v Speaker 9>of the Jazz Age.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 9>My name is Ellen Paulson.

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<v Speaker 10>I research and I write books about criminal acts and

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<v Speaker 10>devis that took place during the nineteen thirties in the

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<v Speaker 10>United States, and my focus so far has been women

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<v Speaker 10>who were involved with notorious gangsters and desperadoes.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Leshawn Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>I am an associate professor of history at Michigan State

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<v Speaker 1>University in the Department of.

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<v Speaker 11>My name is Robert Whalen, and I'm an Emerathus professor

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<v Speaker 11>of History at Queen's University of Charlotte here in Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 11>North Carolina. And I've written on both European and American history.

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<v Speaker 11>I suppose the most relevant book is what I published

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<v Speaker 11>on a Murder Incorporated, which involved people like Thomas Dewey

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<v Speaker 11>and Junis Carter and so forth.

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