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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursdays and a Big Blue kioff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com. He's Paula Tino. I'm Lance Medo.

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Speaker 1: Good to have your board for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: prizes throughout the course of the season. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to look ahead to the Monday night game between the

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Falcons. Will preview that an extra day

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Speaker 1: isn't really are you okay? I'm a creature of habits.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why I'm making sure that you're okay and

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Speaker 1: you're in good shape. This really discombobulates me, it does.

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Speaker 1: It throws you off the tech because actually we should

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Speaker 1: set the record straight. Today is the equivalency of a

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Speaker 1: Wednesday in the n for this. Today is a real Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but Wednesday. There we go. Okay, you articulated a little

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Speaker 1: bit better than I. It's really simple. Well, I know

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Speaker 1: I was going for perhaps even the simplistic way of

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Speaker 1: saying it, but much like the quicksand of parody. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: another one, another one of my trademark phrases, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, you're still not paid me for using this.

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Speaker 1: Se I moderate one of yours terms. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: use it in its full force, So I don't think

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Speaker 1: off with the practice report and the encouraging news. Pall is,

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Speaker 1: the media just went out to observe practice, and you

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Speaker 1: had Nate Soldier, you had Olivier Vernon, you had Evan Ingram,

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Speaker 1: and you had Rhet Ellison, all what it appears to

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Speaker 1: be taking part of practice. Now, the full practice report

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Speaker 1: into Monday night's game. Yes, during the media portion, we

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Speaker 1: We will see warm ups, calisthenics, some sprinting, and then

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Speaker 1: goal for Atlanta. The questions were, excuse me, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: tear of football, right, and and it looks like everybody said, go,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see anybody on the bike today. Everybody, everybody's

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Speaker 1: in the media portion was going. And remember they had

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Speaker 1: earlier today and I was relaying this to Paul before

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Speaker 1: First of all, Atlanta throws the ball approximately three fourths

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Speaker 1: Atlanta is the type of team to your point, Paul,

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Speaker 1: they're on opposite ends of the spectrum when you look

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Speaker 1: not fabricating. If the truth is Atlanta struggle, they've given

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the reason why they don't want to blitz

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care whether he loses personnel or not. He's coming.

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Speaker 1: This is a team that is last in the NFL

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Speaker 1: good stuff there. Um, you know what, I believe Willing

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Speaker 1: can mariss at this at one time where a good

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Speaker 1: season would be meaningful games in December, and I think

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Speaker 1: at this point the last six out of the last

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Speaker 1: eight seasons and we'll take meeting full games in October. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mr Mara always said that his goal every year was

433
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Speaker 1: to make sure that there was something to play for

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Speaker 1: during the last home game, so that when your fans

435
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Speaker 1: who had the tickets came to your last home game

436
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Speaker 1: of the season, what would be your your home's regular

437
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Speaker 1: season finale, that there was something on the line in

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Speaker 1: that game. That that's always what made a successful season.

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Speaker 1: I tend to be the guy who always says I

440
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Speaker 1: want I want the games to mean something in December.

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Speaker 1: He always took it to the last regular season home game.

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Speaker 1: You want the fans to come to that game with

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Speaker 1: a reason to cheer. Yeah, And and I agree with that,

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Speaker 1: being being a Giant season ticket holder. Um My, my, my,

445
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Speaker 1: my question. Just to go off topic from the Falcon game.

446
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Speaker 1: You know, the media has really just talked about the

447
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Speaker 1: league with these mobile quarterbacks, these running quarterbacks. You know,

448
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Speaker 1: when you go back to the nineties. Uh and and

449
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Speaker 1: I'm just going back to the nineties. But in early

450
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Speaker 1: two thousand's, I mean, he had these guys I still

451
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Speaker 1: out here. I mean, Michael Vick when he came into

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Speaker 1: the league. Everybody said all things are changing, Vince Young,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and then you had the mobile guys like

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Speaker 1: a Warren Moon or Brett far the guys that just

455
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Speaker 1: you know, moved around in the pocket. But you know,

456
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Speaker 1: Eli takes this bashing. You know, he can't step up

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Speaker 1: in the pocket when when guys are coming through in

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Speaker 1: the A and B gap, he can't step up the

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Speaker 1: in the in the pocket. And you know, everybody, the media,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know, I know he's getting older, but

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Speaker 1: the media tends to overlook that and just doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to dive in a little bit further and look into

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Speaker 1: these things. Well, he's never been able to do those things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I find it comical that you're

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Speaker 1: asking Eli Manning to be a mobile quarterback or find

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Speaker 1: his mobility fifteen years into his career. Whenever, since he

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Speaker 1: stepped into the NFL, he's never been a mobile guy.

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Speaker 1: Have the Redskins feel after r G three got banged

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Speaker 1: up and basically you know, broken in half. And then

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Speaker 1: they you know, he wound up leaving the team because

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Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you're no good to us, now

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Speaker 1: you're broken. Okay, let's everybody b r G three that

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Speaker 1: that's a great plans take step further when they even say,

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Speaker 1: you know, you like could slide in the pocket. I

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Speaker 1: mean you have you have a Brady you have you know,

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Speaker 1: even going back to Dan Marino, those guys can move

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Speaker 1: around the pocket. You I could do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But you can't feel like he has the confidence. He

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Speaker 1: can't step up in the pocket like he had normally

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Speaker 1: done in years past. Well, I think that's what they

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Speaker 1: fail to look at. You know, you're absolutely right, And

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Speaker 1: I think it also is based on scheme to For example,

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Speaker 1: he was sliding around in that Houston Texans game. We

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of mobility out of him. Mobility meaning

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Speaker 1: within the scheme, moving out in different directions to at

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Speaker 1: least extend the play. But there's ways even in today's NFL.

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Speaker 1: Chris I would argue, if you don't have a mobile

488
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Speaker 1: quarterback to still have success, you just need to especially

489
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Speaker 1: if your offensive line is your shortcoming. You need to

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Speaker 1: gain plan around it accordingly. So that's where the Giants

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Speaker 1: are at right now. They know their quarterback can't extend

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Speaker 1: plays and they know that the past protection is a problem.

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Speaker 1: So how do you do that? You get rid of

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Speaker 1: the football quickly. You have wide receivers run different routes.

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Speaker 1: You see what happened in the Houston game where you

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Speaker 1: move DeLine Manning a little around. I mean, there's ways

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Speaker 1: to counter that. The problem is, Paul. What I would

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Speaker 1: add to that is Houston played the Giants a lot

499
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Speaker 1: differently than how some of these other previous I think

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Speaker 1: it's important and this is not a coincidence, and I'm

501
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Speaker 1: glad you made this phone call. The Giants offensively played

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Speaker 1: their best three games against Houston, New Orleans and Carolina.

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Speaker 1: What is the common denominator on all three of those games?

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Speaker 1: The common denominator not a combinator denominator is no. You know,

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Speaker 1: I had to bring him back. They were behind the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans and he brought them back within. He brought

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Speaker 1: them back within the score that game was in doubt.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Drew Brees how to do some magic at

509
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Speaker 1: the end of the game with some help from the officials,

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Speaker 1: to pull that game out the commend The common denominator

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Speaker 1: between those three games is that in all three of

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Speaker 1: those games, there was a defense that did not blitz

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Speaker 1: a lot, was not overly aggressive, and did not have

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Speaker 1: a very good pass rushing front four that could get

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Speaker 1: there with just their four guys. Well, Houston at j J.

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Speaker 1: Lot though ian okay, but but it was isolated. They

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Speaker 1: did not He had isolated pass rush, but throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of the game, if it wasn't him, they really

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Speaker 1: didn't get Yeah. Okay, so now, but but where did

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Speaker 1: the Giants offense have the most problems? Well, let's see,

521
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: they had the most problems against Jacksonville. They didn't move

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Speaker 1: the ball very well. They were in the game with

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Speaker 1: a chance to win it, but they did not really

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Speaker 1: have a great offensive day. Why because Jacksonville has a

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Speaker 1: very formatal defensive front. Dallas, while not a great defensive

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Speaker 1: fraud they blitzed a lot and they stunted a lot

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Speaker 1: and that caused trouble for the offensive line. Confusion. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what happened against Philadelphia. They've got an unbelievably very good

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Speaker 1: defensive line that provides past pressure from every angle. Have

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Speaker 1: you noticed the pattern? There's the pattern it's right there.

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Speaker 1: It's right there in front of you. In the three

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Speaker 1: games where the Giants faced a shall we say, pedestrian

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Speaker 1: pass rush, the offense performed well enough that they could

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Speaker 1: have won all three of those games. In the three

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Speaker 1: games that they faced a terrific front four or deep

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Speaker 1: or a deep front four, or a schematic pass pressure team,

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: they absolutely couldn't do anything with the football. This is

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Speaker 1: not a coincidence. And every defensive coordinator out there who

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Speaker 1: looks at the Giants understands that the Falcons, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: fall into the category of the Saints and the Panthers

541
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Speaker 1: and the Texans. This should be a team that falls

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Speaker 1: into category A, which means the Giants should offensively have

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Speaker 1: a lot of success against them and appreciate Yeah, breaking

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Speaker 1: it down for you, and that has been a common team.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you. The only player, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: that would concern me about Atlanta this week is great

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Speaker 1: e Chair coming back because he can apply pressure from

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Speaker 1: the interior. Outside of that, I wouldn't be overwhelmed Tack

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Speaker 1: McKinley as a guy, though I think that falls a

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Speaker 1: little bit under the radar. He's in his second season

551
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Speaker 1: and leads the team a sacks, not necessarily somebody that

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Speaker 1: I think is gonna be disruptive to the point where

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Speaker 1: they can't contain, but a solid player. Yes, Vitt Beasley

554
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: has absolutely disappeared. Now, I don't only got one sack

555
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Speaker 1: on the season and six tackles. I don't want to

556
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Speaker 1: jinx anybody, but this is a guy who originally had

557
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Speaker 1: made a name for himself or at least with the

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Speaker 1: potential of being a dangerous pass rusher. This year he's

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Speaker 1: been invisible. It's been quiet. Yeah. I mean, he's dealt

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Speaker 1: with some injuries in the past. I don't necessarily blame

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Speaker 1: it on the lack of good health this year. I

562
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: also think it's perhaps, you know, him just not getting

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Speaker 1: as much help given the fact that they had so

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Speaker 1: many injuries. You know, when you take guys like Kean O'Neil,

565
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Speaker 1: Ricardo Allen, and Dion Jones off the field, it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit easier to focus on Vic Beasley and not

567
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Speaker 1: worried about anybody else attention. It's a big difference maker.

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Speaker 1: Mike is in Montgomery, Alabama. Mike, what's happening? Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: What do you got for his Mike? Look UM ownership

570
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: will now need to go with a short term business model,

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Speaker 1: maybe two three years to get this team back on

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Speaker 1: the beam. And the guy I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: really help on the front line will be coach Sherman.

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Speaker 1: I see some qualities in him already, some characteristics if

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00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: you will, to make him successful in the short term. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's a good role model and that's gonna be something

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00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: that some of these players need to follow on a

578
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: positive attitude on the field and off the field. And

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Speaker 1: we have one or two people I'm sure that come

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Speaker 1: to mind that can really put this team back on

581
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: a on the winning track. Uh. Too. He looks like

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Speaker 1: a football coach. He's he's uh, he carried himself well.

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Speaker 1: Uh and he's he looks his his appearance is admirable.

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Speaker 1: Three and his press conference today I can see as

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Speaker 1: a heart of a teacher. He's proven that as an

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Speaker 1: assistant in Minnesota with the QBS, teaching them passing skills

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Speaker 1: and what have you. UM. And I think he's a

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Speaker 1: good listener when he's in front of the media, and

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Speaker 1: he'll when he says something and if the media doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand what he says, are not listening. He's gonna say, listen,

591
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I just said that, and when you listen to him,

592
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: the media is really turning it around and trying to

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00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: put him on the spot, and he handles it well. Namely,

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Speaker 1: he's a good communicator, and the most important one guy's

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00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: is development, and that goes with the short term business

596
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: model that I think ownership needs to grasp and back

597
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: this guy. There's no quick quick fix here. That the

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Speaker 1: season is own most lost, and I hate to look

599
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: at the glasses half empty, but we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to do, and I think you will agree

601
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: with me. You know, e y certainly he's his prime

602
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: is passed, but he can still be effective this year

603
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and development for next year two. Really find somebody who's

604
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: going to be his heir apparent and be almost like

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00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: a hybrid player. Coach, those are my comments, those are

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: my thoughts, and I'll listen to you guys off the

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Speaker 1: air and have a great day. Appreciate you listening to me,

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: all right, Appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much. Away

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Speaker 1: In he left that one key factor about coach Shermer.

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Speaker 1: He was a center at Michigan State teammate Carl Banks,

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Speaker 1: and that does go a long way in establishing respect

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Speaker 1: and credibility in the locker room because when you played

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Speaker 1: center at that level. Okay, Michigan State now isn't exactly

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00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, Birken Catholic High School, that's that's a big

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: time program school. Yeah, it's a big time program. And

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: when when you have played center at a big time

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00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: program like that, it shows that you have an understanding

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Speaker 1: for not only what goes on and in a pressure

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Speaker 1: pack situation, because trust me, there's a lot of pressure

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00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: at Michigan State to win, but you also have an

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Speaker 1: understanding of what it takes to win in the trenches,

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Speaker 1: and you can relate and sympathize with all the different

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Speaker 1: guys in your locker room, whether they be the the

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Speaker 1: high profile guys, where the guys who were carrying the

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00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: lunch pail on the trenches. It means that you can

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00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: relate to all those guys because guess what chances are

627
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: you have felt every pain and every black and blue

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Speaker 1: that they have felt, and you have felt every ache

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Speaker 1: from every loss as a player that they could be feeling.

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00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: Now that does carry water well. He's worn many different

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Speaker 1: hats during the course of his career. I think that

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00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: brings respect because the players understand. Pat's been a head coach,

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Speaker 1: he's been, as you mentioned, an offensive I'm in terms

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Speaker 1: of a player. He's been a tight ends coach, he's

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00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: been an o C. He's worked with quarterbacks. So he's

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Speaker 1: been in a variety of different team cultures, Paul. He's

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: been in a variety of different locker rooms. He's been

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00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: in very tough situations like Cleveland, where he won more

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Speaker 1: than most coaches have. So you know, he's seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of football, specifically on this level. And the point

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Speaker 1: that the last caller was bringing up is what at

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Speaker 1: least I take away is the guy has dealt with

643
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Speaker 1: a lot of these circumstances where teams have gotten off

644
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Speaker 1: to rough starts, and you could tell this is not

645
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Speaker 1: anything new. And he's also he's not going to fight

646
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Speaker 1: his battles with the media that I think he's made

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Speaker 1: very clear, Paul. Nor should he. No, I don't think

648
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Speaker 1: any coach should be forced to do that. But you know,

649
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Speaker 1: as much as he's peppered with questions about O'Dell, and

650
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Speaker 1: he was peppered with him a lot, he just re

651
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Speaker 1: emphasizes his initial answer and says he's ready to move on.

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Speaker 1: And I think he does that a lot, so he's

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Speaker 1: comfortable in his own skin, especially in this market where

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna continue to ask the same question, he's

655
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Speaker 1: gonna give you the same answer. And it may be boring,

656
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Speaker 1: it may not be necessarily the sexy sound bite that

657
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Speaker 1: the fans in the media wants, but he's just not

658
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: gonna play racquetball with them in terms of going back

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Speaker 1: and forth. And and you know what, that's actually the

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00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: right way to play it, because if he answers a

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Speaker 1: question and you know, he's put it out there and said, look,

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: this is what I think, all right, and then somebody

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Speaker 1: else asks him the same thing in a different fashion

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Speaker 1: because they're trying to prod him and they're trying to

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Speaker 1: get him to say something that will be juicy for

666
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Speaker 1: some drama. He's just gonna say, I already answered you.

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Speaker 1: I told you, I stand by it. That's it. It's

668
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: like I love it. The sun rises in the east

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Speaker 1: and my answer is not gonna change. It still rises

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Speaker 1: in the east. You know. I love it. Because when

671
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Speaker 1: he gives those answers out it truly makes some of

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Speaker 1: the questioners look as foolish as as as they are,

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Speaker 1: because we know what they're doing. They're literally fishing. Of

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Speaker 1: course they got they got debate on the hook and

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Speaker 1: they're fishing and he's calling them out. You know, I'm

676
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Speaker 1: go ahead, are you paid out there? It is what

677
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: it is? No fish here, and it's easy to do

678
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: that when your team is off to a one in

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Speaker 1: five start. We want to remind you Big Blue kick

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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines Thursday's This is a

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Speaker 1: Big Blue kick Off Live. Getting you said from Monday

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Speaker 1: night football Giants Falcons len is in Columbia, Maryland. What's happening? Line?

685
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you doing? Dude? Right? Good? Good?

686
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Sorry I missed your Atlanta breakdown, but I'll listen later

687
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Speaker 1: and catch if. I missed the first ten minutes of

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Speaker 1: the show, so but I'll listen again. I'll listen again

689
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: later and catch that your breakdown to the Falcons. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna sound like a broken record here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to build on what some of

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Speaker 1: the previous choler said and what you guys were mentioning.

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Speaker 1: Um you want to start a rebuilding the offensive line,

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00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: and again, you know a broken record, you find an anchor,

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Speaker 1: Find an anchor at center. Sherman knows that that's that's

696
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Speaker 1: the one thing he's gonna start with us enter next year.

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00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: The anchor the rebuild inside out isn't isn't John Hallapeel,

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Speaker 1: It's not Greco, it's not Burt Jones, it's not Spencer Pulley.

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Speaker 1: Why here's the question I have again, we have to

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Speaker 1: use names. And as I've said before, these guys have

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Speaker 1: more athletic ability in their pinky on their left hand

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Speaker 1: then I've had in my whole body for my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind when I talk about these guys.

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Speaker 1: I do understand that there is a reason why the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers went out and gave one of the

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Speaker 1: Pouncey brothers two year, fifteen million dollar contract with a

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Speaker 1: ten million dollar guarantee to play center for the Chargers

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Speaker 1: and waved goodbye to Spencer Pulley Well. They were looking

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Speaker 1: to upgrade, just like Len. There's a reason why Tom

710
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: Coughlin and Jacksonville went out and got Andrew Norwell and

711
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: parted ways with Patrick Omamy. You don't want. I want

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Speaker 1: to make something clear because yeah, but there's a problem.

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Speaker 1: There's a problem here. There's a problem here. You're you're

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Speaker 1: automatically hinting at, assuming at something that you cannot do.

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Speaker 1: In the National Football League, there are many reasons why

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Speaker 1: a player is not a good fit for a particular situation.

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00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: I think what you're trying to say here, you're setting

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Speaker 1: up for Oh, the guy's just not that good. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the easy answer, but there are many other answers.

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Speaker 1: You don't know about his medical history, you don't know

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00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: about his practice history, you don't know about the schematics

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Speaker 1: of what they were running. For example, Ross Cockrell was

723
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: about to get cut by the Steelers two years ago.

724
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: Remember last year, he was about to get caught well

725
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Speaker 1: because he could not play effective zone deep ends in

726
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Speaker 1: the second area. So the Giants make a trade for him.

727
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: He's playing man coverage and all of a sudden he's

728
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Speaker 1: a good corner and gets big money from Carolina during

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Speaker 1: the off season. So it's not always because the guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability. There can be many reasons why

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Speaker 1: a team parts ways with a players. So let me

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Speaker 1: just give that to you now before you go down

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Speaker 1: the wrong road. Well, okay, let me let me let

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Speaker 1: me try to finish my point. And I understand everything

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Speaker 1: you said, Paul, and generally I agree with you, but

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Speaker 1: I would I would respond with the following question for you.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have um the pouncy brother and Norwell

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Speaker 1: or on my way and any of the four guys

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Speaker 1: that I mentioned the center? Ohould that be great if

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Speaker 1: I had the money under the capital afford them. Here's

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Speaker 1: my here's I mean. So let me agreed. Agreed, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me let me let me get to my other point.

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Speaker 1: Like probably longer than Paul has heard me say this,

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna beat the Chargers. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: beat the Jaguars with guys that they're cutting. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get the guys they're keeping. Those are the guys that

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Speaker 1: help you win, not I don't think anyone. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone's disagreeing with you. It's just our point is

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Speaker 1: you need the resources to go in accompany and those

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: and those guys are not available. That's why most teams

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Speaker 1: in the NFL try to keep their offensive linemen because

752
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: there's a darth of them available. Eric Flowers just got

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Speaker 1: signed by the Jaguars. Okay, he is their fourth starting

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Speaker 1: left tackle this season when he starts this weekend. Eric

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Speaker 1: Flowers a guy who has been a voodoo doll for

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Speaker 1: every Giants fan for the last four years. He got

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Speaker 1: imediately signed immediately because of the dart of offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: available on the street. Okay, let me let me and

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Speaker 1: let me say something about Flowers and it's gonna be positive. Okay.

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Speaker 1: This guy started sixty at least sixty five games in

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Speaker 1: the NFL at two different positions, including including one playoff game.

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Speaker 1: He's strong as an oxwagh three d and twenty pounds.

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Speaker 1: Has man injured you know, ankle missed the game, you know,

764
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Speaker 1: but played on that that that that rookie year. He

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Speaker 1: played on the on that on that angle. I never

766
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Speaker 1: heard anybody say he dogged it. He may not have

767
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Speaker 1: been good enough force at left tackling a lot of

768
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Speaker 1: people's minds, but why not sign Eric Flowers? He started

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Speaker 1: sixty five games in the NFL. Well, look, you know

770
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Speaker 1: how I feel about Eric Flowers. I think he got

771
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: a bum wrap. He certainly needed to be better, but

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Speaker 1: he was not by far the guy or the villain

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Speaker 1: that so many people made him out to be. But

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Speaker 1: having said but having said that, I couldn't. But having

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Speaker 1: said that, though he got picked up real quickly, what's

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Speaker 1: your point. Let me let me go to let me

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Speaker 1: go to Nate Soldier. Um, I'm glad he's on the team,

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00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of years, until we can

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Speaker 1: gain our bearings here and we can get that anchor

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Speaker 1: in the center of the line. I'm okay with Solder.

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00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: But you know, there was a reason why New England

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Speaker 1: let him go. I mean, it's back to the other

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00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: thing they made it they made that trade. What the

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Speaker 1: what did they send to the fort I a third

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Speaker 1: round draft tride to get that left tackle. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was that he's going to be a

787
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Speaker 1: pretty good player. I mean the Patriots. Yea, all right, Um,

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Speaker 1: one thing, one thing, One thing to understand Nate Solder.

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Speaker 1: It may turn out to be what Bill Parcels used

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Speaker 1: to call a hold the fourth guy. Okay, I'll hold

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Speaker 1: the Ford guy. Now. For those of you who were

792
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: not around in the eighties, a hold the fourth guy

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00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: was an upgrade over what you have who at least

794
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: is not going to become a disaster at the position.

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00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: He is a reliable guy who does an adequate job,

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Speaker 1: and he's not going to the Pro Bowl. He's not

797
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a super star, but he is going to

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00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: be functional at adequate until such time when the rest

799
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: of your team can get to the level that you

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Speaker 1: want so that you can move forward a hold the

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Speaker 1: fourth guy. Parcels used to love those kinds of guys.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what Nate Soldier is from the Giants and

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Speaker 1: Len listen, We're gonna let you go on that note.

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00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call. The other thing I would add

805
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: is you don't necessarily need to just fix your offensive

806
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Speaker 1: line through free agency. And what we haven't brought up

807
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: is the draft is a way to find two lens

808
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: point Paul guys that other teams haven't even touched or

809
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: decided to part ways with. Well, but that takes time.

810
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: You don't just necessarily have one draft. So you brought

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Speaker 1: in Will Hernandez through the draft this year, Dave Gettleman

812
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: may say to himself, he's gonna target another position perhaps

813
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Speaker 1: in the upcoming draft, and then little by little you

814
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Speaker 1: try to bring in the guys that you want to

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Speaker 1: retool the offensive line. Nobody says you have to do

816
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: it through free agency. You know what I had said

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Speaker 1: going into this draft, and again I was not in

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Speaker 1: the room, but I had said to offense of lineman

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Speaker 1: in the first three picks, certainly in the first four

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Speaker 1: picks would have been my preference. That's not the way

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Speaker 1: they went. For whatever reason, they didn't evaluate the guys

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Speaker 1: like they like. Maybe some others did. I don't know,

823
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Speaker 1: but I can't argue that they got some good guys

824
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Speaker 1: because I wanted lorenz O Carter and they got him

825
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: around later than he should have gone. B J. Hill

826
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Speaker 1: was certainly turned out to be a good player. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to question any of their picks in

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Speaker 1: there in the first four rounds, the questionable one is Loletta.

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Speaker 1: You know, did they need to draft a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round? Uh? You know when they certainly could

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Speaker 1: have used another offensive lineman to enter the fray of competition,

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Speaker 1: and maybe, who knows, maybe the guy would have been

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Speaker 1: good enough to win his starting job. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that right now, but but I would

835
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Speaker 1: have had no trouble and I said it before, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to back away from it. Picking two

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00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the first four rounds would not have

838
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Speaker 1: been a bad way to go. And I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: this now for every one of you out there who

840
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: was screaming for a new quarterback and screaming that the

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00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: Giants better take a quarterback with their first round pick

842
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: next year, well you're wrong. They should take an offensive

843
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: lineman with their first round pick next year. And if

844
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: you don't see that by now, then then you really

845
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: need to go see an optometrist, because that has got

846
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: to be the top priority for this club going into

847
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: next year's draft. They need to get a King Kong

848
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: son of a B Beast offensive lineman with their first

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Speaker 1: round pall and that's also a way to not then

850
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Speaker 1: have to tie up resources in paying a Nate Soldier

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00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: or paying a high prized free agent who may not

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Speaker 1: necessarily be a pro ball player, Paul, But because you're

853
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: in such a tough position where you need to upgrade

854
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: the spot, you're forced to pay that because that's what

855
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: the market dictates. Whereas if you go via the draft,

856
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: you know you're getting the guy in a rookie contract.

857
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're paying them pennies, but you're not necessarily

858
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: putting a huge dent into your salary cap. That's why

859
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: I said, let's not lose track of the draft as

860
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: a resource to retool, as opposed to just saying you

861
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: gotta go out as Lenn was saying, and you gotta

862
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: find Mike Pouncing, and you gotta find Andrew Norwell, that's

863
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: not the only way to go about improving your offensive line.

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. Doug is in Rochester, Doug,

865
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: what's happening to Doug is having a conversation with somebody else. Hey, Doug,

866
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: welcome forward. How are we doing? Sorry interrupt your other conversation.

867
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm talking to somebody else. Yeah, Dog. First, Hey, I'm

868
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about the Giants the players that should have. Guy,

869
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talking about the players that got now and

870
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: in the drafting. Okay, um uh there sports from the

871
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: Post Justice Gile Monday. And if I remember, I think

872
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: it was you Lands and Paul told you over two

873
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: weeks ago that the past sum does not have the

874
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: Minnesota vikas he has some New York Giants. Yeah, and

875
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: Sworts said the same thing. Listen to me, asked us

876
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: him about passion with play calling to you guts worse

877
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: than the same thing he asked the change his playbook

878
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: to the players. He got on offense that the office

879
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: is not that good. So you have to get the

880
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: potential play for the officers are they could play? Is

881
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: not the Minnesota So I said to say that I

882
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: half week ago about dog dog dog. That's no dog dog.

883
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: That's the problem. No dog yeah, but dog dog No,

884
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: that's the problem. He needs to do exactly the opposite

885
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: because what he has done, the Giants have tooled the

886
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: playbook to an offensive line that does not protect and

887
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: to a quarterback who does not have much mobility. Consequently,

888
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Everything is a quick dump down,

889
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: it's a quick checkdown, it's a quick screen. Okay, that's

890
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: the problem. How many people have called up this show

891
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: and complained that they're throwing three yard passes. That's the problem.

892
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: He has changed. Pat Sherman has totally altered his playbook,

893
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: his offensive philosophy with Mike Schuler. They have overcompensated, in

894
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, in for what they believed to be a

895
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: porison suspect offensive line to to where they have neutered

896
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: their old offense. That's the problem, don't you see of

897
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: the NFL offensive lines? It's not that good. They're winning, okay,

898
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: and the officers, the coordinators are finding way for them

899
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: to win with not that good offer. Well, bo, are

900
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: you also taking the consideration, Doug, Well, first of all,

901
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: can you, Doug, Doug, can you name me a team? Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug,

902
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: Doug Doug. Relax? Okay, I want to have a conversation

903
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: back and forth here. If you're gonna make claims, okay

904
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: on the show, that there are other teams that have

905
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: bad offensive lines and are finding ways to win games,

906
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: we'd like an example so we could hash that out

907
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to speaking in generics. So give me a

908
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: team that has a bad offensive line that is consistently winning.

909
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: I think it's only fair we use real life example.

910
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: I can start naming. Okay, and is Eli Manning? Hold on?

911
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Is Eli Manning Aaron Rodgers in terms of mobility? Yeah,

912
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers brings a lot more to the table

913
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: than eat Line Manning does in terms of mobility. Okay,

914
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: And and now can I ask you to compare special

915
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: teams between the Packers and the Giants. It's not even close.

916
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: The Giant special teams are terrible and they oh yeah,

917
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: but wait, field position, We're gonna have to let you go.

918
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to let you go. I starts going

919
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: off the deep end. The field position is relevant. Field

920
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: position has a direct impact on the plays that you call.

921
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: And the Giants have had horrific field position. Looking up,

922
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: their average start drive has been consistently in the bottom

923
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: three of the NFL since the season started. That is

924
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: also part of the problem. So you have horrible field position,

925
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: you have no running game, and you have a sporadic

926
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: protection from the offensive line, and you have a quarterback

927
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: who's not a runner. You have four huge conditions that

928
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: that are that are helping to sabotage this offense. So

929
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: coach Charmer and Coach Shula have adjusted. You You're you're

930
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: coming on here saying he's got to adjust his offense

931
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: to the team. That's what he's done. He has overcompensated

932
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: to adjust for these four negatives that he's had to

933
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: deal with. That's what's happened. Well, And the other thing

934
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: that at least I've brought up on this program, Paul,

935
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: and I don't remember if it was the show I

936
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: was hosting with you. For those that want to continue

937
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: to make the Minnesota Giants comparisons, and I've made those

938
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: comparisons in the offseason because I thought that they're similar

939
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: personnel groupings that I think you can make the comparisons to,

940
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, the feeling and the Digs versus the Beckham

941
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: and the Shepherd. You had a young rookie running back

942
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook versus say Kwan Barkley. They addressed the offensive

943
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: line in similar ways in terms of a little with

944
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: the draft pat elf line and then Mike Remer's and

945
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: Riley Reef. That's how Minnesota went about its business and

946
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: then you look at what the Giants did. Those to

947
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: me were similarities and conversations worth having. But Minnesota had

948
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: the number one scoring defense in the NFL last year, okay,

949
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: and the Giants don't have that. Okay. So that's that's

950
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: a huge Let's go through the check it not what

951
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: that's one. Then you take it to consideration. Also in

952
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: terms of the quarterback. Now, I'm not saying that Case

953
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: Keenom is a Hall of Famer. I'm not gonna know

954
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: it's important though. No, the Case Keenom's got a little

955
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: bit more nobility to him hold on than Helie Manning

956
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: tried some rollout stuff. It's not the break listen, I'm

957
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and go through them all with you.

958
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: Get get to the ones though. That was significantly different. Well, no,

959
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to throw out,

960
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: because significantly different. The Vikings could rely on their defense

961
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: to get them out. Number one. That's number number two,

962
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: field position. Minnesota vastly better special teams than the Giants,

963
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: and your defense helps its field position to forget about that,

964
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: so that helps to the field absolutely different. Number three,

965
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings offensive line clearly progressed and developed much

966
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: quicker than the Giants offensive line as so they were

967
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: able to establish your running game guys the time. And

968
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: they also lost their starting running back in Dalvid Cook,

969
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: so they stayed were able to do with the other

970
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: thing I was gonna say with respect to the offensive line,

971
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: not only did it progress quick enough, Paul, they were

972
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: made healthy. That group was fairly durable last year. Those

973
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: of differences are worlds apart, and why you know the

974
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: results have certainly been different, and why Shermer could do

975
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: things with that offensive playbook in Minnesota that he can't

976
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: do here. You don't have to go any further. You

977
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: don't have to go to the quarter, but I always

978
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: started to. The defense is a humongous difference. You're talking

979
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: about Vikings defense that is up top and for those

980
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: who are not watching, I'm holding my hand up high,

981
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: and then a Giant's defense which is still searching for

982
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: identity and struggling in various different facets of football. So

983
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: the defense, I don't have a problem. So they're certainly

984
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: not the number one scoring to the NFL. Do you

985
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: know what type of luxury that is for an offensive coordinator, Paul,

986
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't say the basics huge. Let's head back to

987
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: the phone line. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening? Hey, guys,

988
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: I know you're short on times, so I wanted to

989
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: go over some statistics that pro football focus. And that's

990
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: a bad idea. That's a very bad idea. You can

991
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: either go somewhere else so you can hang up the phone.

992
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: That's a really bad idea. We'll at least be able

993
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: to hear you out at the early going where are

994
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: you going to take this tack? They ranked all the

995
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: teams after the sixth game, and uh, as far as

996
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the Giants ranked and panswer the previous

997
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: callers question, I think Cincinnati actually has the worst offensive

998
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: line and the Giants are ranked and has a better record,

999
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: but needless to say, they ran. Chad Wheeler has a

1000
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: forty three point seven overall grade. That makes him the

1001
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: worst tackle in the NFL right now. The run defense

1002
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: is one their pass rush. I'm not going to go

1003
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: and tell the details about Eli Manning. However, the one

1004
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: statistic that is disturbing is he's currently according for Pro

1005
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Football Focus, he's currently the least accurate passer in the

1006
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: NFL when throwing to open receivers. That means he has

1007
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: time and he's missing people. The reason I'm bringing up

1008
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: the statistics is not to put people under the bush,

1009
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: but it is something that I am a little disturbed about,

1010
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: only because of a comment that was made after the game.

1011
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: The last game the Giants played by Pat Shermer, when

1012
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: I think a reporter asked him, uh, do you think

1013
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: the players are playing? Are are you worried about the

1014
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: effort that the Giants are the Eagles game. He was

1015
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: asked about that and he said he wasn't concerned. Right,

1016
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: if you're not concerned about the effort, then how do

1017
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: you explain that? Because I think I'm more aligned to Paul.

1018
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: This is about beating your man as opposed to some

1019
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: of the other things that are coming out. It's eleven

1020
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: on the eleven game, and if you don't have beat

1021
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: your man at the line of scrimmage or beat him

1022
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: to a space, you're not going to win. So it

1023
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: was very disturbed that he thought that the effort was

1024
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: satisfactory when I don't more aligned to what Paul's thinking.

1025
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: So if if Pat thinks that the effort is good

1026
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: or or adequate at the level that they're playing at,

1027
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: how do you explain the record? Then at one in

1028
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: five and that was my basic question st I think

1029
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: there's a distinct difference between effort and execution the two ease.

1030
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I could say my team is shown started for one second,

1031
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Lance on the execution part. Because execution, I assume you've

1032
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: taken a basic course in physics at some point or

1033
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: one of you guys have done that and are familiar

1034
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: with Isaac Newton's law motion, which says that for every action,

1035
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: there's an opposite and equal reaction. Uh, just because you're executing,

1036
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: there's somebody on the other side of the ball who's

1037
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: executing also of course, so it's and it's so it's

1038
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: your job to beat that man in the execution, which

1039
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: is why I think beating your man. And I think,

1040
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: but well, what what what I'm saying, Scott is Scott,

1041
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't think though the lack of execution is synonymous

1042
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: with the lack of effort. Like I could be working

1043
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: my butt off and I could be going up against

1044
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: the guy that's just stronger, he's got just a lot

1045
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: more on his plate than I do. So does that

1046
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: mean that I'm not putting effort into it? See, Scott,

1047
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: I at least like the fact that you got back

1048
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: to the man to man matchups, because you know that's

1049
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: that's getting away from the analytics, and that's talking old

1050
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: school football. So you're with me on that. And I

1051
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that we're we're symmetric in terms of

1052
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the philosophy and old school language. But

1053
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: here's what I will say. We we we've all admitted this.

1054
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: I think we have the Giants are in that quick

1055
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: set of mediocrity. When you're a mediocre team, Okay, it's

1056
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily about effort and execution. Because when you're a

1057
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: mediocre team, when the ball bounces the wrong way like

1058
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: it us on a putt in Carolina, Okay, and it

1059
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: bounces the wrong way and gets recovered in your end

1060
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: zone for a panther's touchdown. When that happens, you're not

1061
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: a good enough team to overcome it. When you get

1062
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: a horse collar called against you, like Jack Rabbit did

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00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: against the New Orleans Saints, and it helps keep a

1064
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: drive alive and then nails you in the butt, you

1065
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: can't overcome that stuff when you're a mediocre team and

1066
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: the Giants from the middle of that quicksand I believe

1067
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: talent wise, they are a middle of the pack team.

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00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: I really believe that you cannot overcome band bounces and

1069
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: poor officiating. You cannot. You will lose. That's just the

1070
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: way it is. And that doesn't say that they're not

1071
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: giving effort, and it doesn't even talk about execution at

1072
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: that point. It simply says you're mediocre. You're not good

1073
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: enough to overcome the extra land mines that are in

1074
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: the sidewalk in front of you. It's just that simple.

1075
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: And Scott, we're gonna let you go on that note

1076
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: because you because we want to try to squeeze in

1077
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: if you more callers, Let's head back to the lines.

1078
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: We've got. Jabbar in Atlanta, Jabbar, what's happening? Hey, what's

1079
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: going on? Guys? Hey? Man? I have a quick Um, well,

1080
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of correct the perspective. I

1081
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: think Lance made a comment yesterday about I wasn't on

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: the program. Yeah, oh well, Um, the last time you

1083
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: are on that you made a comment about Eli Manning

1084
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: and you said that the fans like, we we like,

1085
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: what do we expect him to do now? And like

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: relating his in his career, you know, to you know,

1087
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: why are we expecting him to run? I don't think

1088
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: it's so much that we're expecting Alive to run. I

1089
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: feel like the fans feel like if there was maybe

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00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: on all of the pressures that we've had this this season,

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: if there was maybe a thirty percent chance of getting

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: outside of the pocket and when the ball off, you know,

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00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: at least attempting to pass, that the offense would be

1094
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: more efficient. It's not so much that we want Alive

1095
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: to run. It just that we know that our lines

1096
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: are our line is bad, and just somebody back there

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: who could give us maybe who could escape the pocket

1098
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: maybe on those pressures. More than what what's what, what's

1099
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: already being done, I feel like our offense would be

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: a better offense, drastically better. And my second I have

1101
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: another statement too. The last time I called in, I

1102
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: called in about Aryan Thompson our free safety. I mean

1103
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I said that we needed to upgrade our free safety spot.

1104
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like Curtis Riley is probably the best

1105
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: free safety that we've had since Steve, since since Stevie Brown. Um,

1106
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: he's athletics, he's ranging, he probably doesn't have all of

1107
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: the skill sets yet to play safety, but I feel

1108
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: like moving forward, Curtis Riley is going to be a

1109
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: big portion of our past defense. Um, So that thought

1110
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I have to say, guys, just a quick call a well,

1111
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he made a transition from corner to safe D.

1112
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: So you know, time will tell with respect to Curtis Riley,

1113
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: but you know, right now it's a learning curve for

1114
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: him because of the fact that he's been thrown into

1115
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: a brand new position, and you know that will be

1116
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: a spot that I'm sure the Giants are going to

1117
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: look to upgrade overall because it was a position Paul

1118
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: where they even made changes at that spot after they

1119
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: finalized the fifty three, So that to me is a

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: sign that they're not done experimenting at the safety position

1121
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: around Landon College. As far as the Eli Manning comment,

1122
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, listen, we we don't have that

1123
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: much time remaining on the program. It's like beating a

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: dead horse. But I will say this, Paul. Anybody who

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00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: makes the argument that if you put Alex Tanny or

1126
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: Kyle A Letta in at quarterback right now and thinks

1127
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: that the offense is dramatically going to improve and score

1128
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of points is pure speculation. Notice how all

1129
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: of those statements are made. I think you have no

1130
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: ample evidence to go on to tell me that you

1131
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: know for sure they're gonna score seven more points, for

1132
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: sure that they're gonna get five more first downs, because

1133
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: the two of those guys combined have fourteen regular season passes.

1134
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: So all it is is I think in it, Nay,

1135
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: it could, it would, it should. There's no substance behind

1136
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: any of that. That's all I'm gonna say with respect

1137
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: to that. As look at this, we get a treat

1138
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: from Azzi, not just on the Giants radio network. How

1139
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm not doing good. I'm dying with

1140
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: this team. This team means to me. You know that

1141
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't follow anything but Giants football. Listen. I want

1142
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: to say something about Eli Manning. He didn't forget how

1143
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: to play football after fifteen years. Guys. You know what

1144
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean. Game is one in between between the trenches. Okay,

1145
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: tell me, explain me something people who are thinking. And

1146
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: I've been listening on w f AN a lot, and

1147
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: I've stopped listening to it. I don't turn it on

1148
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: until Mike Francesca comes on, because you know what, half

1149
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: of those shows don't mean nothing to me anymore. The

1150
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: Empire Giant, and I'm sick and tired of it. I'll

1151
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: tell you what, Paul, you were right about one thing.

1152
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: You know what you said. You said to Joe Berningo

1153
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: the other day that the fifteen year old Venteroman didn't

1154
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: doesn't forget to play football of a suddenly, and you

1155
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: know he showed against the Houston team. You give him

1156
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: time he could deliver. What bothers me the most, guys,

1157
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: is what's being overlooked. I watched the film the NFL

1158
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: has that package from the NFL that you know they

1159
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: break the film down, and I watched that Beckham hasn't

1160
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: been getting open at all. He's been getting triple covered

1161
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: at times if he's if he's being triple covered, what

1162
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? Shepherd? How come he's not getting open?

1163
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: It is the execution. I don't blame Eli Manning. Yeah

1164
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: he's not the same, but you know who would be

1165
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: after six years of taking hits and playing as behind

1166
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: his pewture offensive line guys, you know it's hard to

1167
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: execute when you got a guy in your face and

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01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: you can't even have five steps back. You know. I

1169
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: love when we get the previous caller talk about Oh

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, certain analytics say that Eli man he's got

1171
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: the worst place your percentage when throwing to an open receiver. Okay, well,

1172
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: on how many of those throws was there a guy

1173
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: either in his face, at his feet about to hit

1174
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: his arm? I mean you need more of a breakdown

1175
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: when on how many of those passes was he hit

1176
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: or was he pressured? Okay, get me those numbers and

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: then then show what's going on. No, no, I mean,

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01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: but that's why I anybody who talks about analytics and

1179
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: stats in a bubble is absolutely naive beyond belief because

1180
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing about the game of pro football that is

1181
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: in a bubble. It is a spider web where every

1182
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: single strand affects something else. It is a game of

1183
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: dominoes where one domino affects the rest of them on

1184
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: the table. Nothing is in a bubble in the National

1185
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: Football League. Nothing, no player, no play, no scheme, nothing

1186
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: is in a bubble. Why don't people understand that everybody's

1187
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: so caught up in numbers? And that's because of fantasy football,

1188
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: which of course was put on this planet by aliens

1189
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: to destroy the human race. Go Ahead is playing like

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01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: that behind that line. Do you think that rookie is

1191
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna do any better? Giant fans? Well, that's my point.

1192
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: I really don't think mobility at this point is going

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: to make a huge difference because of the pressure that

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: any quarterback is going to see. So I'm an agreement

1195
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: with Yasi and I think when you analyze Eli Manning,

1196
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: could he play better. Absolutely, I think everybody on this

1197
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: team could play better. But to say that he's the

1198
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: lone scapegoat is completely misleading because I don't think, as

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: Paul mentioned, you're taking the consideration all of the other

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01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: dynamics of this team that are not necessarily in conjunction

1201
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: with one another right now. And there's a lot of

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: times where there may be a guy open and he

1203
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: lies hit, and all of a sudden the completion is

1204
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: short two or three yards? Why because he was hit?

1205
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: And you know, people say, well, if somebody was running

1206
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: away from that, all of a sudden, the completion percentage

1207
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: would go up and be more touchdowns. I'm just I'm

1208
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: not seeing it. Just remember this. Jim Plunkett was a

1209
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: statue too, who had washed out with the forty niners

1210
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: and the Patriots. All of a sudden, he goes to

1211
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders. They've got some weapons around him, they can

1212
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: protect him. He's as as immobile as a statue. And

1213
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: Kurt Water was one of those guys, by the way,

1214
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: who was also a mobile. And what happens. All of

1215
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: a sudden he went to Super Bowl with the Raiders.

1216
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: Kurt Water moves the Giants, goes to a Cardinals team

1217
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: that has a running game. Okay, has Larry Fitzgerald protects him,

1218
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: and he goes to the Super Bowl and he was

1219
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: as he had feet in cement. Please, I want a

1220
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: high note this Monday night. We're gonna win this game,

1221
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and you know what, I wish I

1222
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: could listen to you guys twenty four hours a day,

1223
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: seven days a week. I had enough of this an crap.

1224
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: I really don't. Don't insert my station now, Ozzie. Okay,

1225
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: come on, I worked for the fan to don't insult

1226
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: the station. I preached. We're just saying about because show

1227
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: that they have on some after opening in between Mike.

1228
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: I cannot deal with those guys. Those guys are so

1229
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: anti Giant. I saw it. The guy that show should

1230
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: be off the air. Appreciate, appreciate the phone call. Thanks

1231
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in, as uh, Ozzie, I thought,

1232
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: just bringing it back to the subject that hands here,

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things you need to take

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: into consideration when analyzing this offense, and I think it's

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: a fair point as opposed to just one individual, which

1236
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people just are dying to focus on.

1237
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: It's not so easy to blame one person for the

1238
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: Giant struggles at this point. It's very complex. Three facets

1239
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: of football goes without saying, you gotta look at all

1240
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: three facets. With that being said, is gonna wrap up

1241
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: today's addition, A Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up

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01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: and running again tomorrow one thirty pm Eastern as the

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: Giants will get set to go up against the Atlanta Falcons.

1244
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: That means we'll have Big Blue Kickoff Live on Monday too,

1245
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: so we've got a few more shows before we actually

1246
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: get to a football game this week. A very lengthy week.

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Speaker 1: With that being said. For Paul to Tino, I'm Lance

1248
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: mat Or. A reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Enjoy the rest of your day right here

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. Have a good one.