1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: My name is Met, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: the week where at the very end of January, hope 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: everybody's January went well, and we linger on the precipice 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: of February, so wishing everybody well over the Valentine Holiday. 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff going on in the world, 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: in the US and abroad, and in space as well, 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: and quite possibly in the bounds of your very own 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: body very soon. That's why we do this weekly segment 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: we call Strange News. Today, we are going to have 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: kind of a a spiritual update to our earlier episode 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: on Ticketmaster, which somehow didn't get us sued yet, and 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: then we're going to also explore some frightening realities of 21 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: the bleeding edge of gene alteration, gene injections, and medication. 22 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: You'll see what we're talking about towards the end, because 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: before we get to any of that, we are going 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: to turn our turn our lidless I to Ukraine, to Russia, 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: to NATO. The conflict, the war continues, even though some 26 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: people in the US how honestly encountered what you might 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: call Ukraine fatigue. They you know, or maybe just tuning 28 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: out the news. The reality is that the situation remains 29 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: in a crisis point and there are big, big things happening. 30 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: The world collectively is edging closer and closer to a threshold, 31 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: threshold that quite realistically is one of no return. Yeah, 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: that pot of water is boiling, and it's been boiling. 33 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: It's ready for that pasta. You guys, I'm getting a 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: little nervous, and make sure to cook at al dente. 35 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Don't let it become ashy puss. Yeah, it does, in 36 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: a weird way, make me hungry. Wait, do you guys 37 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: hear that? Yes, that's the alarm That means it's time 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: to check the old doomsday clock. Guys, So let's do that. 39 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Let's see, guys, let's just type this in here doomsday clock. Oh, uh, guys, 40 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: we've decreased by ten seconds. It is now ninety seconds 41 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: to midnight according to the dooms ninety seconds from from 42 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: now seconds to midnight nine figurative seconds. But you know 43 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: how head text tracks, just in case, just in case, 44 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, uh sees the day uh that we did 45 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: an episode on the doomsday clock. Uh many doomsday minutes ago. 46 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Do we want to give people a quick recap about 47 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: about this bad boy? Sure, the Doomsday clock, it's a clock. 48 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I think the last time we checked in it was 49 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: one hundred seconds to midnight. But let's give the people 50 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: a little background. So the doomsday clock is not a 51 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: physical clock. Really, it's a symbol that was created by 52 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of repentant scientists evolved with the Manhattan Project. 53 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't have a lot of scientific rigor. As our 54 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: pal Jack O'Brien over at Daily Zeitgeist has pointed out, Uh, 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: we talked about this in the past. It's one of 56 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: those things I think continually fascinates us. The real goal 57 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: of the clock is to give people a very simple understanding, 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: a vibe, if you will, of how close humanity is 59 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: to a nuclear exchange or other civilization, threatening catastrophe. Yeah, 60 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: the existential stuff that would take a lot of us out, 61 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: if not most of us, if not all of us. 62 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: Check out The End of the World by Josh Clark 63 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: if you want to find out more about existential threats. Definitely, 64 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: definitely check that out. Very good show, I believe. Eped 65 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: by Ben Bolin. Yes, no, you know, Uh, the thing 66 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: about our pal Josh is very easy to work with. 67 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Did I send some emails about the show? Yeah, let's 68 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: put it that that way. But credit is important to me. 69 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to take credit for his work. As 70 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: you guys said it is. It is fantastic. It does 71 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: hold up, and it's it's great listening. Uh. If you're 72 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: ever like, I'm just too happy about how things are going. 73 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: What you pointed out, Matt is huge because this is 74 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: I think the closest this figurative clock has been. It 75 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: is shoot midnight to the time in nuclear change. This 76 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: change happened very very recently, right it was January this year, 77 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: I think, Yes, they announced the change, yes, Tuesday, January 78 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: yesterday as we record this on the twenty five January. 79 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: Exciting stuff. It just happened, and you know, the scientists 80 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: there are pointing to the things that you probably are 81 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: already thinking about or actively avoiding in your daily life. 82 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: The situation in Ukraine, the situation with you know, global 83 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: climate change, and those are really the two major ones, 84 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: and the combination of those two situations for them has 85 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: has caused them to reduce the amount of time we 86 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: have until we're all gone figuratively as you said. Oh, 87 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: they also factor in things about China's expansion, North Korea's 88 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: enhancement of their I C B M s, their missile capabilities, 89 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Iran's capability to enrich and they're continuing desire to enrich uranium, 90 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: and India's development of its nuclear arsenal um. So yeehaw, everybody, 91 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: good times. Really enjoy that next meal because it could 92 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: be your last. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But 93 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: here's here's the other, rub y'all. Along with the change 94 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: in the doomsday clock here, there were several other large 95 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: announcements when it comes to geopolitics. They're all happening this week, 96 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: uh and one of them culminated today on as we 97 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: record this. So, a bunch of NATO countries and a 98 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: few non NATO countries that are interested in joining up 99 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: with the crew. They met in Germany at the Romstein 100 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: US Air Force Base, the most metal of air force 101 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: base named after the absolutely don't fact check that m 102 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Stein do host. And they they decided to meet at 103 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: this base and discuss sending arsenals of tanks to Ukraine 104 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: to fight in the battles there on the ground with Russia. Uh. 105 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: This occurred on Friday, January twenty last week as we 106 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: record this, and those countries decided over you know, the 107 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: next couple of days between January twenty of that meeting 108 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: and today as we're recording this on they all decided 109 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna, I guess Anti up some tanks up. Yeah, 110 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Which that's a bit of a move. That's a bit 111 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: of a throw in your hat in the ring kind 112 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: of situation. Well, it's a big deal because numerous countries 113 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: have already been lending support to Ukraine in their fight 114 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: against Russia. UM, and many countries have also aided Russia 115 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: in their fight against Ukraine. In this case, it is 116 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: many of the primary NATO countries that have all pledged 117 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: to send real weaponry into fight. This is these tanks 118 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: aren't messing around, Uh, tanks are you know? Accredited very 119 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: much so with the I would say quick defeat of 120 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: Iraqs forces the first time the US invaded. Tanks have 121 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: been used in many conflicts as the deciding factor where 122 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: they have been a large part of a deciding factor, 123 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: and who wins a conflict, I guess the effective use 124 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: of tanks. So let's just go through the list here, guys, 125 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: because this is evolving as we're going along here right now, 126 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: as we stand, these countries have decided to send some tanks. UH. 127 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: Poland sending fourteen tanks. They're called Leopard two's or Leopard 128 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: two tank also known as m B t s if 129 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: you see it written anywhere. Finland, who is not a 130 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: member of NATO but really wants to be, is stated 131 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to be providing tanks or they're willing 132 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: to provide tanks. Okay, did that make sense? Um, Spain 133 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: agreed to send tanks if Germany agreed to send tanks, 134 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: and then they did. And Germany just I guess, kind 135 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: of relinquished to uh internal pressure and external pressure to 136 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: send a bunch of tanks. They just I think it 137 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: was yesterday they agreed. Uh. The United Kingdom is sending 138 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: fourteen Challenger two tanks. France is sending their I think 139 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: that's Le Clerc tanks, Norway sending eight, Portugal, Denmark, the Netherlands. 140 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I thought the Netherlands was neutral though, aren't they? Like, 141 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: why are they sending tanks where the Hague is? They 142 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: said they are willing to provide tanks. Again, I think 143 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: it's pressure coming from being members of NATO. That's really 144 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: where the pressure is coming from. There's a lot of 145 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: global pressure at this point. They're required to move as 146 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: a unit. Exactly, got it. And then today, as we're recording, 147 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: just a few hours before we started rolling, the United 148 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: States announced that we will be sending thirty one Abrams 149 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: tanks over to Ukraine. We're also going to provide training 150 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: to use the tanks effectively and other supplies that are 151 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: necessary to run the things as a battalion. What's that 152 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: total number? Um, I haven't done the math yet, the 153 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: thirty one. It also really depends on how many actually 154 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: get delivered before we hear it are some pledges, so 155 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: it might be it might be a little bit um 156 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: optimistic to give a definitive tally at this time. But 157 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: but these tanks will all be needed. This is not 158 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: quite overwhelming force. That kind of stuff we would expect 159 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: if if Article five of NATO wasn't voked. I mean, 160 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: West military alone could essentially delete the Russian Air Force, 161 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: delete them from the sky. But they're not doing that 162 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: because NATO hasn't gone in. I think, you know, we 163 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: know Russia has a lot of tanks. The problem is 164 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: their tanks are kind of like used car lot tanks. 165 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: They've been cannibalized for parts, but there's still um, there's 166 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: still hundreds and hundreds. Russia is still going to have 167 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: more tanks then Ukrainian forces, even if all these agreements 168 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: go through. But still Abraham's tanks, Abrams tanks, excuse me there, Um, 169 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: they're super sophisticated, but they can also have a lot 170 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: of difficulty in terms of field maintenance and supply chains. 171 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: And they're not cheap, really can at like over ten 172 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: million per unit sense of the finance, I had no 173 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: idea that they were that costly. I mean, but it's 174 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: interesting too because I mean Ukraine has already shown pretty 175 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: significant scrappiness. I mean, this is a conflict that was 176 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: thought to maybe and pretty quickly, and they've held their 177 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: ground and held their territory and made some serious inroads 178 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: in this conflict when we thought, you know, the the 179 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: overwhelming opinion was that maybe they weren't a match. You're correct, Um, 180 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking about this in any terms as 181 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: far as is this going to change the times the war? Right? UM. 182 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm more thinking about this currently, at least as big picture. 183 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: What does this mean to have all of these NATO 184 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: countries allied together. This is NATO joining together to send 185 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of really serious weapons to a country that's 186 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: at war with another global superpower. And it feels like 187 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: a major escalation to me. When I woke up this 188 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: morning and I read the news, I I was like, 189 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: oh crap, well, there's just talking about this. I mean 190 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: in terms of what does World War three look like 191 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: and what does it what would it take to make 192 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: that happen? And this feels like in roads in that direction. Also, uh, 193 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: this is also pushing NATO membership. I really appreciate the 194 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: point you brought up with Finland, because look, if you 195 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: are consuming domestic Russian media, then you are going to 196 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: hear this presented as not a war nor an invasion, 197 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: but a special military operation at the request of the 198 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: people living in these areas of eastern Ukraine. That is 199 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: not really the case, just to be honest with you 200 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: about it. But seeing that kind of aggression from neighboring 201 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: countries Finland, a couple other countries in the orbit, uh, 202 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: that is enough for them to start feeling like NATO 203 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: is an act now offer. And there's a lot of 204 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of paperwork, there are a lot of 205 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: boxes you have to tick to hold up to the 206 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: rights and responsibilities of a NATO member. But this Article 207 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: five thing has only been invoked one time in the 208 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: entirety of NATO's history, and that was after the attacks 209 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: on New York and the Pentagon in September eleven. So 210 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: this is a big, big deal. And you know, you 211 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: can rightly dunk on the doomsday clock all you what, 212 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: I sure have, because it is an opinion clock. But 213 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: not for nothing are they escalating the time on the clock, because, 214 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: like you said, Matt, this is a major escalation. As 215 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: imperfect as those tanks maybe, and I know we've got 216 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a lot of we've got a lot of people with 217 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: experience with tanks in some regard in the audience today, 218 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: and you know, as as imperfect as those things can 219 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: be when they are part of the right force, when 220 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: they're combined with the right stuff and infrastructure and support. 221 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: They're dangerous, dude. They are not to be played with. 222 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: And the question then is how will this something was 223 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: talking about with some geopolitics nerds, how will Russia respond? 224 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: Has there been any scuttle but that you've heard regarding 225 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: this match? I mean tank for tank, They've got the numbers, 226 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: but I don't think they have the tank by any means. 227 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Russia's response in one second, and 228 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: then we can move on to the next story. But 229 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: I want to give you a solid number just when 230 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: you're thinking about the number of tanks involved here, Uh, Poland, 231 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: which is sending fourteen of its tanks, has an arsenal 232 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: of two D and fifty of those tanks that are 233 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, kept in Poland ready to go to fight 234 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: for Poland as their military right. So they're tending sending 235 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: fourteen of those two D and fifty. But if you 236 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: imagine the number that a large country like Russia would 237 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: have when compared to a country like Poland, you can 238 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: only imagine that there are many, many, many, many many 239 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: more tanks that are gonna oppose these NATO tanks. UM. 240 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: The Kremlin as of today we're recording. January has responded 241 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: as the way you maybe would imagine. Uh, they've come 242 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: out and say that the tanks being sent over by 243 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: NATO forces will burn in Ukraine. UM possibly S four 244 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: hundred S three hundred missile systems. Yes. Yeah, basically we've 245 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: got superior things to take those out. Um, we can 246 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: also take them out with our our aircraft. And we've 247 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: seen over the past I don't know month or so, 248 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: guys in the news, we've been seeing all kinds of 249 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: information about brutal air strikes that have been occurring to 250 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: take out infrastructure and other targets. So it's just something 251 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to keep watching. I look, it's not 252 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: gonna help anyone or even me, but I'm going to 253 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: go to the store later and buy a bunch of 254 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: canned goods and just put them in my basement. You 255 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: should have some cast more. Get put butter to peanut 256 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: butter has super high. Yeah, if you're lost in the woods, 257 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: you can get by with like a spoon FULU peanut butter. 258 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: You should the peanut butter in my house. It's nuts. 259 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: So can I speak to the quality of Campbell's chunky. 260 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: I think it's very very good soup there. Chicken and dumplings. 261 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: Uh gosh, it's like cracker barrel quality. It's very very 262 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: good chicken and dumps. Their old original motto, which was 263 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: not successful, was the soup you can eat with a fork. 264 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: I'm glad you can drink with your mouth. That's right, 265 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to boof it. But one I think 266 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: one other thing that we should add is something that 267 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I think obsesses a lot of people rightly. Things that 268 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: we should adds. Those tanks are not like a final 269 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: anti up right there as we speak, Zelinski's administration is 270 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: fighting a growing corruption scandal in you crying, and they 271 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: also further requested this is the beginning of the stuff 272 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: they were asking for. Hardware wise, we're talking long range missiles, 273 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: we're talking jet fighters. That is what we mean when 274 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: we say s elatition. This is not the first supply 275 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: run by any means, but it's definitely not the last, 276 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: and the bigger toys might be in place soon. Are 277 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: you saying that Zelenski may not be of the golden 278 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: good boy that he's been portrayed as in the media 279 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: and with a lot of help from American media. I'm 280 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: unclear on that. I would need to do some more 281 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: research on my end. I don't want to talk out 282 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: of my neck on this, but I do know that 283 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: there's been a like a top Ukrainian government officials are quitting. 284 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: He's trying to trying to shore up support too. And 285 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: if you know how Russia has historically worked when it 286 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: comes through the affairs of other countries, then I would 287 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: definitely I think any of us, if we were in 288 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: Zelenski's position, would be keeping a close eye on my 289 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: colleagues because people turn for the easiest things. The last 290 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: thing I want to put your guys, we mentioned pressure 291 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: has all been about pressure, you a political pressure, right, 292 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: So the United States denied that Germany was putting pressure 293 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: on it too, say as the US, yes, we'll send tanks. 294 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: Germany is saying it's been resisting pressure by other NATO 295 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: countries to send tanks. Everybody's basically saying, look, it's not me, 296 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: it's all of us. It's together. It's we're only doing 297 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: this because we're all doing it. Okay, got it. It's 298 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: not it's not me, it's us. Does that make sense. Okay, cool, 299 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: everybody good? All right, here's the tanks, So just keep 300 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: that in mind as you're taking news in. It's all well, 301 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: that's how coalitions work, right, I mean, it's sort of 302 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: like a group think. You know, it's all or nothing. 303 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: We're all in this together. Yeah, as long as it 304 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: prevents the US and Russia from getting into direct hot combat. 305 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: Let's not do that, okay, because nukes don't avoid civilians. Nope, 306 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: neither does fall out. Hey, here's some ads. Will be 307 00:19:51,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: right back, and we've returned with another piece of strange news. Uh, 308 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Fellas if ye all bought tickets to any concerts of late, yeah, 309 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get swifty with it pretty soon, pretty excited 310 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: about that. It's too late for that. But I think 311 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: you may well have missed nah nah yeah, sorry, Ben. 312 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: I think you and I are roughly the same where 313 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: we typically if we go to concerts or events, it's 314 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that are more like uh event 315 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: bright tickets, you know, or like smaller like access a. 316 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: Access is a ticket company that services a lot of 317 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: the medium sized venues here in Atlanta, like the the 318 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: Eastern and and the Tabernacle. Well not the Tabernacle they 319 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: are a live nation venue. But another one would be 320 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: the Variety playhouse they use. Yeah, I'll tell you man, 321 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: the last time I had to buy tickets Ticketmaster, you 322 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: guys remembered, I got so irritated that we did an 323 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: episode all about how Ticketmaster is crooked and they and 324 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: and you know, honestly, it is a monopoly. You can 325 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: read any number of things that allies or proponents of 326 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: ticket Masters say, like are these people who are these 327 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: allies and proponent the people work for ticket Master. And 328 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: one of the arguments is I couldn't let this go. 329 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll make a more a eel when I bite 330 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: out right. But the the idea was that ticket Master 331 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: part of their service for these venues, for these promoters, 332 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: these companies, these artists, is to take the blame for 333 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: those other policies. That's part of their argument. They're saying, like, 334 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: just like a hell in wrestling, part of their job 335 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: is to be the bad guy. But that simply doesn't 336 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: bear up to the fact when you look at all 337 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: the fees they tack on for themselves, look at all 338 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: the crazy uh stuff they do to get in bed 339 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: with scalpers. It's not man, screw those guys. Well, it's 340 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: like Live Nation is maybe the good cop and ticket 341 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: Masters the bad cop. Because you know, Congress allowed a merger, 342 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: a vertical merger between Ticketmaster and Live Nation. I don't 343 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: remember exactly what this happened, but it was a big deal. 344 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: It was my on over a decade ago, I want 345 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: to say, But it doesn't matter exactly the fact that 346 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: this is a thing. Ticketmaster and Live Nation are vertically integrated, 347 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: and a vertical merger means it's two companies that do 348 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: slightly different things leaguing together. So Live Nation owns the venues, 349 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: Live Nation promotes tours. Uh. Live Nation is is sort 350 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: of vaguely kind of not an artist management company, but 351 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: their promoters. Essentially, they're like the largest promoter, you know, 352 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: in the United States. Uh. And again they own these venues. 353 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure anybody out there that is a fan of 354 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: live music has been to a concert at a Live 355 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: Nation event. They use the same vendors, they take a 356 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: cut of the merch sales, you know. And if you're 357 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: not into being in business with Live Nation, well then 358 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: you're not going to play their venues. And that means 359 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: at a certain size of artists. There's really no alternative 360 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: other than booking like fifteen nights, you know, at a 361 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: smaller venue, which I think is cool. Ben and I 362 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: recently were in New York together and we got to 363 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: see LCD sound System play at a venue called Brooklyn Steel, 364 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: which is another a excess or access however you say 365 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: it venue, and it's a big venue. I think it's 366 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: like it held about two thousand people. But that's a 367 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: lower tier of venue than the Live Nation venues we're 368 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: talking about, which typically are in the you know, dozens 369 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: of thousands in terms of capacity, like fifty ish. You know, 370 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: huge artists like Taylor Swift, for example, would only really 371 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: be able to play venues of that capacity because of 372 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: the demand, because of just how stinking famous, uh she 373 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: and artists of her ilk are and how much demand 374 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: there is. So the issue here, the story in particular, 375 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: is revolving around Ylor Swift. I'm sorry, Matt, I hate 376 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: to tell you, but those tickets were gone before you 377 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: even ever clicked your mouse. Whether that be because of 378 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: pure sorry buddy, because of pure demand, because of pure scarcity, 379 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: or because of a combination of those things and very 380 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: clever hackers. We we know, you know, as far back 381 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: as like Pearl Jam. You remember when Pearl Jam tried 382 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: to take on Ticketmaster. We talked about that in the episode. 383 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: They tried to do their own thing. That was before 384 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: the Live Nation merger, so they maybe had a bit 385 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: more of a shot because Ticketmaster didn't. I don't think 386 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: we're in the business of owning venues, but a lot 387 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: of the bigger venues were in business with Ticketmaster. Now 388 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: it's even more difficult because if you want to play 389 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: a show at a Live Nation venue, you have to 390 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: use Ticketmaster because that is their proprietary, you know, vendor 391 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: for selling tickets. Um. Famously, recently, uh, Taylor Swift fans 392 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: were crestfallen when they were not able to get tickets 393 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: to see their favorite artists. Um. Essentially, the demand was 394 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: so high for these Taylor Swift tickets for her tour 395 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: behind this record Midnight UM that it crashed like the internet. 396 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: You know, it was just an absolute bonkers level of demand, unprecedented. 397 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: I think they sold something like some million number of 398 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: tickets like in a day or or something insane like 399 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: it really hadn't happened before. And while you could argue 400 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: that okay, Taylor Swift, if you want your fans to 401 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: get tickets, then put safeguards in place so that only 402 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: the true fans you know, can get the tickets. A 403 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: lot of artists will do things like you have to 404 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: have an ID to claim your tickets. You can only 405 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: get certain number of tickets that they're associated with your 406 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: actual identity, and that prevents these you know, very high 407 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: tech scalpers. We're not talking about the scalpers of yesteryear 408 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: that just you know, bought up the tickets and then 409 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: hung around outside the venues. These are calculated, targeted operations 410 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: that use very sophisticated bots uh to automatically buy up 411 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: these tickets even you know, circumventing things like pre sales, 412 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: circumventing things like I'm talking about with you know, these 413 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: these i D kind of situations which are not widely adopted. Um. 414 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, Taylor Swift fans were understandably upset when the 415 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: ticketmaster servers crashed and they weren't able to get their tickets. UM. 416 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: This has caused quite the kerfuffle, to the point where 417 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: Congress is now weighing in the same Congress that you know, 418 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: granted this merger, and lawmakers are kind of up in 419 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: arms like they like to be. They like to have, 420 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, pet causes. He was even I can't remember 421 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: who it was, but one person that spoke in this 422 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: uh this hearing that took place a couple of days ago, 423 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: actually quoted Taylor swift lyrics and said, like it's like 424 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: a nightmare dressed like a daydream or daydream dressed like 425 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: a nightmare, which we whichever, you know from from blank 426 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: blank space. Uh, that is quite the banger. Really. I 427 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of Taylor Swift's music, but Taylor Swift 428 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: as a musician correct. Taylor was also a musician that 429 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: made an interesting career trajectory in terms of, like, you know, 430 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: she was very young country artist who then pivoted to 431 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: being much more broad kind of like pop, and at 432 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: first it was sort of more like pop country and 433 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: her her you know, famously was in legal disputes with 434 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: her label I think Big Machine is what they were called, 435 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: and her former you know, I guess, and our guy 436 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: or manager or whatever. Point being that she lost the 437 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: rights to a lot of her recordings, but not the 438 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: rights to her songs. So she famously re recorded a 439 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: lot of these albums so that she could take them 440 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: back and as she calls them, Taylor's version, and that's awesome. 441 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: I think she's a very interesting, disruptive artist in that respect. 442 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: But this whole ticket Master thing is is its own 443 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of debacle. Um, Taylor Swift can't exactly change the 444 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: nature of these relationships because of the reasons that I 445 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: lay out a minute ago. The venues that she needs 446 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: to be able to play in are the ones that 447 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: are owned and operated by Ticketmaster and Live Nation, and 448 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of the lobbying power behind Live Nation, 449 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: and then a lot of the conversations I've been hearing 450 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: with you know, industry experts and lawmakers, even they acknowledge 451 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: that like Live Nation has massive power on on Capitol 452 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: Hill in terms of like the ability to kind of 453 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: grease the wheels and make sure that this merger doesn't 454 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: get called into question. Um. Ticketmaster exactly, in fact, is 455 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: asking Congress to help them eliminate these bots. They're saying, 456 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: it's not us, We're not a monopoly. You guys know 457 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: that you said this was okay, So help us help 458 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: the fans by eliminating these bots. Um, And I just 459 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: think that's so fascinating. They're literally saying, we aren't what 460 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: was that thing you did? Now, you did a really 461 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: great Instagram video about the gas companies and gas stoves 462 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: with that clip from alec all the one. It's like, 463 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: somebody used to blame here, but it's definitely not me. 464 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know who it is. So that's that's kind 465 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: of what's happening. Um, there's a there's an article on 466 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: roll call dot com after Taylor Swift ticket fiasco. Senate 467 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: panel calls Ticketmaster a monopolistic anti hero. So now there 468 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: is you know, these pet kind of causes that I 469 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: was talking about against Ticketmaster, but we have Ticketmaster saying 470 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: help us get rid of this bot problem. It's not 471 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: our fault. We need help getting rid of these bots 472 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: there too. Um, they are too sophisticated. There's something we 473 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: can do to fight against them. One point five million 474 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: people signed up as legitimate customers. Uh, and over fourteen 475 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: million people entities. Let's just say, hit the site when 476 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: the tickets went on sale. Uh, we don't know how many. 477 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Elon Musk and Twitter saying 478 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: there's too many bots. We don't know how many of 479 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: these users are legitimate, but we know it's a lot 480 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: um and now live Nation President and CFO Joe Burke 481 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: told spoke to the Senate Judiciary Committee, uh saying that, Okay, 482 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: we learned a lot we had we had an issue. 483 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: It was a described as a bad user experience UM 484 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: or whatever, a bad end user experience. But it was 485 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: not our faults. It was the bots. So we need 486 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Congress to help expand the Bots Act in order to 487 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: increase enforcement of these spots. But is that really Congress's job, Like, 488 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't the ticket vendor have the tech in place to 489 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: prevent these things or change their model in such a 490 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: way that maybe doesn't favor them just selling as many 491 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: tickets as possible and make it a little more in 492 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: favor of actual fans and actual you know, humans getting 493 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: these tickets. It's Congress's job to create legislation. That's a 494 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: short phrase with a lot of stuff in there. I 495 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: like to point it out pet causes. If you're being 496 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: a bit cynical Malcavellian about it, you could say being 497 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: associated with fixing the ticket master problem is a great 498 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: way to get young voters, right, I'm sure with literists 499 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: that play there, Yeah, and this means that um, in 500 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: terms of like your your actual question there, like is 501 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: it Congress's role to do this? At what point are 502 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: they overstepping their bounds right and interfering with the functions 503 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: of a private company. I mean, it'd be different if 504 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: they were an energy giant, right, It'd be different if 505 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: they were, um, if they held power over all the 506 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: water plants on the Eastern Seaboard or something. So it's 507 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: easy to dismiss this stuff for tickets, but because it's 508 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: for you know, entertainment. But I would say, you know, 509 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people's livelihoods on the line 510 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: with this kind of off It's a huge industry. And additionally, 511 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: after I rightly dunked on Ticketmaster at the beginning of 512 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: the of this, I do have to say, you know, 513 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: stopping those bots is difficult. It's very much whackable. You know, 514 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: you have to be on the defensive. It's kind of 515 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: hard for them to Like I I think it would 516 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: be unfair of an anti Ticketmaster person like me to 517 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: say that, uh, they are definitely not trying to stop 518 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: the box, because I think they are. It's just like 519 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: Congress could pass a law requiring them to fix as 520 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: much as they can, and it still might not fix 521 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the problem. It might just be out of their hands. 522 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: If that makes sense. It totally does, Matt. One last 523 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: thing I see nodding there. Um, The thing about being 524 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: a for all intents and purposes monopoly is that you 525 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: don't really have to do that great of a job 526 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: what you do because you're kind of the only game 527 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: in town. Um, So it's not even really in your 528 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: best interest to make that big of an effort outside 529 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: of just like, okay, a lot of the insiders here 530 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: that have been talking you know, NPR and in the 531 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: press about this stuff, um, are saying, Yeah, what's probably 532 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: gonna happen is they're gonna get a little slap on 533 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: the wrist, maybe pay some fines, and then just say 534 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: we'll do better and then you know, kick the can 535 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: down the road. Um. And the fact that there aren't 536 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: any artists at the caliber of Taylor Swift that are 537 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: truly taking on Ticketmaster and Live Nation in the way 538 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: that Pearl Jam did, uh No those many years ago 539 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: speaks to how powerful they are. I think there's one 540 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: band lawrence, which again there was some congressman said, look 541 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: like like, have you ever heard of Lawrence. The fact 542 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: that that's the band and that's the kind of spokesperson 543 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: for this anti ticketmaster rhetoric speaks volumes because I've never 544 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: heard of Lawrence either. No shade to Lawrence. I'm sure 545 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: they're great. But Matt, what do you think about this? 546 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a musician, music fan, you know, like, 547 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: what is the alternative? I don't know the answer. I 548 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: think the only alternative is you do what Louis c 549 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: k did a long time ago, and you sell tickets 550 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: exclusively on your website and you don't get to play 551 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: the places that a large company says you can't play 552 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: because you're not selling tickets through their platform. I think 553 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: that's the only way to do it. You have to 554 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: have enough big names who decide to go that route 555 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: and to take on those costs and that effort, and 556 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: then you could fight build a new standbus. Yeah, you 557 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: have to build an alternative alternative system. Yeah, I'd say 558 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: only realistically. There's obviously probably an episode in this as 559 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: well um that. I will wrap up this segment with 560 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: a quote from Diana Moss, who spoke to Vox in 561 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: a recent article. She is the president of the American 562 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: Anti trust institute who have a very vested interest in 563 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: breaking up monopolies and just you know, you know, bringing 564 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: these kinds of issues to light. Uh. Live Nation Ticketmaster 565 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: is probably one of the best examples of a modern 566 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: day monopoly that blankets the live entertainment supply chain. But 567 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: we expan of the company is enormous. It extends from 568 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: artist management, so yeah, there is artist management Live Nation 569 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: through concert promotion, through venue management, down to primary ticketing 570 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: and now of course secondary ticketing. Oh we didn't even 571 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: talk about their whole dynamic pricing thing, like like Ticketmaster 572 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: has this thing that gauges demand and just changes the 573 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: price of tickets like the airlines do with plane tickets. 574 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: So you've seen all these big, you know, media backlash 575 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: kind of like stories where oh gosh, the boss, you know, 576 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen tickets are five thousand dollars. That's because the 577 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: demand is there, so it gauges the demand and prices 578 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: the tickets accordingly gone or the days of like the 579 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: ticket is this price and that's it. Now it's like 580 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: very ephemeral. You don't really know what's going into that, 581 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: but it is this dynamic ticket thing, which is pretty new. 582 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: Probably them trying to regain some ground after covid Um frankly, 583 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: but it's totally messed up. So to continue secondary ticketing 584 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: all the way down to the consumer facing fan markets, 585 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: we have a monopoly that covers an entire supply chain. 586 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: So take that for what it's worth, give it a thought, 587 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: and we're gonna take a break, come back with one 588 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: more piece of strange news, and we have returned. Think 589 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: of this, Uh, this very end of our strange News 590 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: segment this week, as UM the lobby of a large, 591 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: disturbing mansion of thought and reality. We've talked in the past. Uh, 592 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: my favorite old thought experiments the ship of thesis, right 593 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: where if you take a ship and you fix it 594 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: over time and repair it eventually there may be a 595 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: point where none of the original pieces of the ship 596 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: are there, but you're still calling the ship the same 597 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: thing it was. How close are we to that happening 598 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: with human beings? I mean it already sort of happens 599 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: because cells die and cycle out. This thing. I really 600 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: wanted to open our converse station with his um Genetic editing. 601 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: Gene Editing talked about it a little bit in the past, 602 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: definitely talked about Crisper, which is one of the most 603 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: famous proprietary aspects of this out here. But there's been 604 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: a lot of news that's not getting a ton of 605 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: national coverage about breakthroughs in gene editing. Right now as 606 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: we speak, there are breakthroughs with human trials. They got 607 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: past rodents where they're discovering ways to address very rare, 608 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: dangerous genetic conditions involving the liver. Uh. One of the 609 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: things that's been grabbing a lot of attention recently, not 610 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: as much as it should, is anti aging gene injections 611 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: that can essentially rewind your heart by a decade. And 612 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: they did it. They did They did it because they 613 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: found mutants that this is like, I know, I'm doing 614 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: a comic book thing recently, but they found a new 615 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: gene and what people that you could think of as 616 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: super fit, they're called super agers, right uh. And you 617 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: can inject this into other people and reverse the decline 618 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: of heart performance, especially if they're elderly. This has already happened. 619 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: Inject this into failing heart cells, it regenerates them and 620 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: it makes them function as though the heart itself is 621 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: ten years younger. This is due to a variation on 622 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: the BP one FB four gene. People who carry a 623 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: specific variant of this tend to live longer, they tend 624 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: to have fewer heart problems. Uh. The story starts with 625 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: the University of Bristol. They injected Okay, this is gonna 626 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: sound scary for anybody's already a little bit wary of 627 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 1: vaccines and injections because that they did a University of Bristol. 628 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: They took this mute gene and it really is a 629 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: mutant gene. They put it into a virus as a vehicle, 630 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: a harmless virus. They kind of trojan horsted, if you will. 631 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: Then they injected it into elderly mice first, and they said, oh, 632 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,479 Speaker 1: holy smokes. Uh, these mice, their their hearts just got 633 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: ten years younger. Or that's what it would have happened 634 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: if they were humans. They weren't that elderly is what 635 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: does that look like? Super it's weirdly sexy, But I 636 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: mean it means that, like it literally reverses the course 637 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 1: of aging. And you can see that physically it uh 638 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: specifically it when it triggers that kind of cardiac regeneration, 639 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: the heart starts generating new blood vessels, restoring previously lost functions. 640 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: So things start getting kind of unblocked. Coupled with and uh, 641 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of exercise, some kind of regimen, right, 642 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of dieting pro tips. Uh, this can 643 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: no fooling extend someone's lifespan because what it's doing is 644 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: it's giving a different version of that biological clock that 645 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: people have. And lifestyle plays a huge role in aging, 646 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: for sure, but genes are your baseline and they determine 647 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: how you know how long you have in this particular 648 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: stretch of existence. Folks like you or I afford this 649 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: type of track. We're going to get to that towards 650 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: the end. These things are happening concurrently, and what we're 651 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: seeing is like right now, you know, there's a lot 652 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: of pops I reporting that's getting this wrong. Right now, 653 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: it's not quite to the level of injecting someone to 654 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: have an instant change across the board, because we have 655 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: to remember that because the genetic code is incredibly intricate 656 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: and interlocked with all these things. It's like if you've 657 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: ever here's what it's like. It's like if you've ever 658 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: walked into a really big house and it's unfamiliar and 659 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: you have light switches that operate multiple things. Then you 660 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,479 Speaker 1: turn on maybe you flip one switch because you want 661 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: the particular light on in the kitchen, but that turns 662 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: on the kitchen and the hallway, and then you hear 663 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: something on the second floor start going. So you don't 664 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: know what. We don't know fully yet. Current civilization doesn't 665 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: know what one change can do to the rest of 666 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: the game. They don't They know there's a domino butterfly effect, 667 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: but they don't know which domino's knock which other dominoes down. 668 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: That's why the research might seem kind of slow to 669 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: a lot of us non genius geneticist. But what we 670 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: are seeing is that if you very carefully narrow your 671 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: scope and you target very specific things like hereditary and 672 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: gio demo that's a rare immune or immune deficiency, then 673 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: you are going to be able to extend people's lives 674 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: for possibly decades and potentially spook is it is to say, 675 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: potentially much longer. Question where can I get where? Where 676 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: can I get? This? Is now you have my other thing, 677 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: possibly your paycheck, right, So this is the issue. The 678 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: The issue here is that this opens the door for 679 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 1: a lot of things that humanity is simply not prepared 680 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: for economy of scale, argues that inevitably these treatments could 681 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: will improve. Right barring some catastrophe, some Doomsday clock level thing, 682 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: they will improve. It will also become more reliable and 683 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: less expensive, unless there's another intervening variable. The dystopian science 684 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: would say, or the dystopian futurists would say, that there's 685 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: going to be a world where the new marker of 686 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: privilege of being a have is that you simply live much, 687 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: much longer. No matter how cheap the treatment might actually be, 688 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: there might be a way that it is repressed from 689 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: say of the population. And the argument would, of course, 690 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: as it always comes, it would be a greater good argument, 691 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: we can't have this many people living this long. There 692 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: are some people that will provide a greater service for 693 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: the world. Me because I'm at Davos and there's some 694 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: people that just shouldn't be eating for that many decades 695 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: and dreating that increasingly low reserve of potable water. Now, 696 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating. And I think I mentioned in terms 697 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: of another conversation that I've been rewatching Silicon Valley, the 698 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: Might Judge TV show, and I'm on the season where um, 699 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: the guy that's like the kind of Zuckerberg like head 700 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: of Houly, the Google type company, he's got a blood boy. 701 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: It's literally a healthy young man who gives him weekly 702 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 1: blood transfusions, which we don't even know if that actually 703 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: does anything, but it's sort of like maybe it does. 704 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: So let's just go with things. That's the best we've got. 705 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: But we've seen the feeding frenzy of like curative and 706 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: or you know, helpful medications that are scarce, like vaccines. 707 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: You know when it was like who got those first? 708 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: And who cheated the system to make sure they got 709 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: those COVID vaccines before anybody else? Super rich? So can 710 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: you imagine this is like the fountain of youth we're 711 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: talking about here, It's it's been sought for, you know, generations. Potentially, yeah, potentially, 712 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: there could be there could be something. But again we 713 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: have to go back to unintended consequences. How long can 714 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: your app ridge garden variety human mind exists in a 715 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,919 Speaker 1: coaching state? Right? Fixing the body may may do a lot, 716 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: but it may be the same thing as giving a 717 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: car a fresh coat of paint every decade and never 718 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: changing the oil. This isn't apply to neurons and neural pathways. 719 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't like fix your brain back decade as it depends, 720 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: because you have to you have to narrow the scope 721 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: right now. Now, possibly one day there might be a 722 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: panacea thing. But this brings me to another dystopian thing. 723 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna end on a utopian thing. Don't worry, 724 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: we'll get too. Another dystopian thing would be the idea 725 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: of certain modifications becoming illegal, maybe because if everyone had 726 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: it there'd be simply too many people, right. Or maybe 727 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: there would be a deal where for certain modifications one 728 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: has to agree to sterilization as part of it, right, 729 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: because you don't want to reproducing in the wild. Or 730 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: there could be things that are associated with the military. 731 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: Imagine if part of being conscripted in the New Russian 732 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: Empire or whatever, just for fun, Uh, what if part 733 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: of that involved an injection a gene editing device. That 734 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: would that would make you much more resistant to a 735 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: lot of diseases, right, but it wouldn't stop you from 736 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 1: carrying those diseases, So then you could become someone who's 737 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: exposed to some nasty biological warfare contaminants, right, and going 738 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: to be okay, but now you are the freaking typhoid 739 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: Mary of that thing for the rest of your life, 740 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: unstoppable And that sounds terrible, but it's it's less and 741 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: less implausible. I won't say it's happening now, but it's 742 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: something humanity is on the way toward. How can a 743 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: story be so simultaneously sighting and terrifying, you know what 744 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, I think it's I think again, 745 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: I think this is this is an episode. But if 746 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: we if we do this episode in um, we're probably 747 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to do an update in length six. I 748 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: don't even know how long we'll do this show. We 749 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: should all get our genes edited. Uh, here's here's another one. 750 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: This is my question. This is the utopian I wish 751 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: it would happen question. Do you think it would be 752 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: possible that some editing or modifications could be innocuous enough 753 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: and helpful enough that they become considered a human right 754 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: in parts of the world, like the right to literacy, 755 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: the right to clean water, things like that. That is fascinating. 756 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if it's available and it becomes like 757 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: a new I mean, but that's the that's the question though, 758 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: is like who deserves to live forever? Or should we 759 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: be able to you know what I mean? Like is 760 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: that really a human right? Or is it like a luxury? 761 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Maybe I can see it 762 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: working out the same way early childhood vaccinations work out, 763 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: where if you do have health insurance, at least within 764 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: the United States, if you pay for insurance when you 765 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: know you're on track with a child or something to 766 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: get their vaccinations, they'll just get their gene editing. That 767 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: gets rid of some of the major problems facing American children. 768 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: I get. Yeah, I can totally see that happening. So 769 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,959 Speaker 1: for everybody. UM, we're specifically at this point talking about 770 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: what's called germline gene therapy. Not all gene therapies heritable, right, 771 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: So there might be a vaccination thing that happens after 772 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: the child is born at some age where their immune 773 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: system is seen as UM capable of vibing with it. 774 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: But then germ line therapy is we give you an 775 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: injection some kind of treatment that means, uh, you will 776 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: have UM I don't know, like we're freestyle in here. 777 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: So like a gene for UM heart problems, you'll you 778 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: will be much more resistant to developing heart problems like 779 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: cardiac arrests problems, stuff like that. It doesn't cure them though, 780 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: right if you are less likely it's a percentages ok yeah, 781 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: like Buffy a weapon in Elden ring wor Skyroe. But 782 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 1: there's this idea, then okay, maybe a better thing would 783 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: be diabetes. What if you could inject a gene that 784 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: not only changes the way your body uh, addresses factors 785 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: leading to diabetes, but also means that your children would 786 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: have that same gene and therefore their children and so 787 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: on and so on, just like the Bible saying bigat, bigat, bigat. 788 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: How do you think the world would react to that idea? 789 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: This is because vaccines are only affecting the person who 790 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,359 Speaker 1: has injected, not their children. I see massive blowback on that. 791 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: I'd be very interested to see. You know, like, what 792 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,280 Speaker 1: what do religious figures say? What the more luddite among 793 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,720 Speaker 1: us say? Well? Also, like what if people, the super 794 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: rich or whomever start taking these just so they can 795 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: eat like and like not you know what I mean, 796 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: like not actually do any of the normal things that 797 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: would lead you to like living a healthier lifestyle. Is 798 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,320 Speaker 1: this like a cheap code? And if so, those people 799 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: should be way further down the ladder. As to who 800 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: gets to get this, it should be more like people 801 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: whose lives it will vastly improve and maybe have some 802 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: sort of deficiency should get it first. And and then 803 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: it becomes a matter of scale. And then, like he said, 804 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: it becomes a matter of scale in terms of population control. 805 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: Not control, but it's a population, you know, people sticking 806 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: around too long. If everyone was vampires, we would run 807 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: on it. Well, we run of blood bags for the 808 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: vampires to drink, and then the vampires would die. That's 809 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: a silly example. But my point is like if people 810 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: live forever, we would deplete the resources for the people 811 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: that maybe couldn't live forever. That's a point. Yeah, And 812 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: then also what happens then is the all right, the 813 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: thing is that at this level of scientific innovation, there's 814 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: going to be sort of a Dona whole gap. There's 815 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: going to be a chasm and interval of time between 816 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 1: which these things are absolutely possible, perhaps on a wide scale, 817 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: and then the other side of the gap where we 818 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:33,320 Speaker 1: learn about any unintended consequences over generations or over decades. 819 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: Because some of these gene therapies do have risk of 820 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 1: um allergic reaction oregon damage in certain types of cancer. Yeah, 821 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: well that's why human cloning honestly, ethics aciety, and I 822 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: understand why ethics have to exist. Um, there's not more 823 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: public research on human cloning because human clones or clones 824 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 1: in general, have really crappy lives, you know, like that's 825 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: if you could make perfect clothes, then there would be 826 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: mandalorians of plenty to get sci fi about it. I 827 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: just watched this to the latest David Cronenberg movie called 828 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: Crimes of the Future, where it's this kind of future 829 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: where people randomly start growing different organs that have no 830 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: known function at the time, but also they're kind of 831 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: mutations and at a certain point, if they grow enough 832 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: of these, they ceased to be human. So I'm just saying, 833 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: like this is the sci fi kind of weirdo dystopian take, 834 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: but like it does call into question like what it 835 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: means to be human and are we meant to live forever? 836 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: But in the dark ages, like people had much lower 837 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: life expectancy. So who are we to say what the 838 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: proper life expectancy is? Well, I guess we're probably at about, 839 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, the baseline for it. Now people that have 840 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,879 Speaker 1: access to the best healthcare and live healthy lives could 841 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: maybe live to be a hundred or so. Should ask 842 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: beyond that? It's well, so we're talking about blue zones, 843 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,959 Speaker 1: the seven or so parts of the world where people 844 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: will just have a much higher likelihood of living to 845 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: become centenarians. But but that is I think this is 846 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 1: this is a fantastic point. This stuff is on the way, folks, 847 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: It's already here. It is doing some very good things, 848 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: but again, there are tremendous potential consequences that are what 849 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:27,000 Speaker 1: Donald Rumsfeld would currently call unknown unknowns. I think Ashcroft, yeah, yeah, yeah, 850 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And this is this is where we're going 851 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: to leave it, because this is a really important question 852 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: to me, at least I hope to all of us. 853 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: What would you do if you add a kid and 854 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 1: you had the offer of giving them, uh, giving them 855 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: gene therapy that would a lot like drastically reduce the 856 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: likelihood of SEB medical problems? What would you do in 857 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: your own situation knowing those traits could be heritable in 858 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: some way? Let us know, what do you think about Ticketmaster? 859 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: Have we have we unfairly maligned them? 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