1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Hey, John, you're under arrest. Oh no, don't do it. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm an og okay start time podcast host. I don't care. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm making sure that you stay here for the next 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: two minutes. 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: All right, I'll be detained for the two more minutes 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: before we get into this episode. 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some ads coming up, so stick around. 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: Stick around. My husband is upset that spending time together 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: makes me happy. 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: How dare you like being with your husband? 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: Here's the TLDR of my relationship. Husband and I have 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: been together for nine years, married for two and a half. 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: We're both about thirty. We had a baby fourteen months ago. 14 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: The pregnancy was a surprise birth control failure, but we 15 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: both wanted kids and we're happy. We had discussed ethical 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: non monogamy in the past, but put the discussion on 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: hold during the pregnancy. And by the way, this comes 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: from user alien Flowers and if you want to submit 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: your own stories, go to the r slash Okay storytime 20 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: subvert it another bullet point here. After I gave birth, 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: my husband brought it up again and started really pushing 22 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: for polyamory. He also took on extra work as I 23 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: had to stay home due to day care costs eating 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: up more than my monthly paycheck could cover. He started 25 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: pushing me off onto his family and wouldn't ever be 26 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: home to help me or give me a break. He 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: told me to go to his mom for a break, 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: and all he was good for was bringing home money. 29 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: Throughout all of postpartum, he's basically insinuated, if not outright 30 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: said that he doesn't want me to rely on him 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: or want him around. At six months postpartum, he pushed 32 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: for us to open our relationship. I hated it. He 33 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: was disappointed when we closed it after a month. I 34 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: also went back to school full time at this and 35 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: have maintained a four point zero since. My gosh, we've 36 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: been in couples therapy for about five or six months now. 37 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: We each have our own therapists too. Maybe was also 38 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: EBF and I still nurse her two to three times 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: a day and plan to do so until at least 40 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: eighteen months or so. 41 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: Exclusive breastfeeding. 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: All right, that's the background. Now we're in therapy, and 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was working. The last few weeks. He's 44 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: worked less and made time to hang out with me 45 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: and our baby more. He's planned outings for us, taken 46 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: us for bike rides, been home to cook dinner and 47 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: do chores, and to watch the baby or slash toddler 48 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: so I can have some me time or some friend time. 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: It's been so nice, and I mentioned to him that 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: it made me happy and thanked him for doing all 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: this and making progress like we've talked about in therapy. 52 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: On our walk this morning and in our last therapy session, 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: he said it made him disappointed that I was so 54 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: happy with spending all this time together. He said that 55 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 2: he'd notice since he stopped working so much and hanging 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: out with us more at home, that I'd been happier, 57 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: and that it just proved to him that he was 58 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: the problem. He said that everything he wants is a problem, 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: and when he doesn't do or get what he wants, 60 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: then I'm happy. He said, he's happy spending time with 61 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: me and our baby, but he's disappointed too. 62 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: Okay, whoa so is he saying that everything that he 63 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: wants is to just be working all the time. 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I don't even know what to think of this, which, yeah, 65 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: I kind of agree. I'm just hurt that I've dedicated 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: so much time and energy to this relationship, to raising 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: our baby, who is absolutely incredible, and that I've been 68 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: told I shouldn't be asking more of him, and that 69 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: when I do spend time together, he might be happy 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: in the moment, but seems to look back at it 71 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: with regret and disappointment. 72 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's definitely something that can be salvaged. I 73 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: feel maybe by going to therapy. If you're happy in 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: the moment, focus on that. Why why are you feeling 75 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: this regret now? I don't know if he's even happy 76 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: to be with me. It certainly doesn't feel like it. 77 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: It feels like he sees our relationship as holding him back. 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: But when I try to tell him this, he just 79 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: says it feels like I don't trust him. He says 80 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: that lack of trust makes him not want to try. 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: I tell him, I'm just I'm trying to trust him, 82 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: but he keeps doing the same pattern of spending time 83 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: with us and then pulling away, and then the cycle repeats. 84 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't want him to pull away. 85 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: I don't want him to tell me I shouldn't need him, 86 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 2: and that's when I could start trusting him again. Right now, 87 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: I'm always waiting for him to stop engaging with me 88 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: and just always be away. He struggles a lot with 89 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: negative self talk and negative self image, So I try 90 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: not to say negative things when describing what I want 91 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: out of our relationship or how I'm hurt. But then 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: he just puts words in my mouth, feels self pity, 93 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: shuts down, and stops talking to me for a day 94 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: or more. So what do I do from here? How 95 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: do I even address this? What do I say to 96 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: our therapist? And there are some very relevant comments here, 97 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure op on her husband helping her with her 98 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: postpartum depression. OPI says, there was a time over the 99 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: summer when my PPD was really bad. One day, I 100 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: asked him to come home from work early. Another day, 101 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: a week or so later, I asked him to stay 102 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: home entirely. He's a construction worker, so not always with 103 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: the same company, and that company didn't ask him to 104 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: come to the next job with them. He said that 105 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: after he left and stayed home to help me, they 106 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: all treated him differently and sort of isolated him. Instead 107 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: of being upset with those misogynistic a holes, he was 108 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: upset with me and sometimes still brings it up as 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: an example of how I can't handle myself and the 110 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: baby on my own. 111 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: No, like should she should she have to do that. 112 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: I've told him his frustrations are misplaced, that I shouldn't 113 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: be blamed for needing him, and if a job can't 114 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: be understanding that a new dad may need to help 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: his wife and child, that it's better he doesn't work 116 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: with them anymore. He just gets more frustrated. Caring for 117 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: our kid is our job, not my job. A commenter 118 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: says it sounds like he didn't really want to be 119 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: a monogamous partner or a parent. He may have just 120 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: been ticking off boxes on the life milestone list, like 121 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: getting married and having kids. Either way, at least he's 122 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: gained some self awareness and realized he's been a crappy 123 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: husband and father. He's shown you a pattern that is 124 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: likely to repeat itself. Opie says, I keep telling him this, 125 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: that for the past year, this pattern has repeated. He'll 126 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: be more involved for a couple of weeks than throw 127 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: himself back into work, and I'll have no support from him. 128 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: He asked me today how long it will take for 129 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: me to trust him, and that he feels like he's 130 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: being timed. I said, there's no time limit. The change 131 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: has to keep going I see that he's putting in 132 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: the work, but I've seen that before, and I want 133 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: it to actually stick, or for him to not put 134 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: up such a fight about it if it does start 135 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: to slip into him working too much again. Comment or 136 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: two says, I've seen this kind of thing happen when 137 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: people get together very young. You guys, seemed to be 138 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 2: twenty one. You likely didn't get a lot of dating 139 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: and relationships in before the two of you were together. 140 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: He isn't happy, he said it by word, indeed repeatedly. 141 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: He doesn't want you to be happy in this because 142 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: he wants out. He wants to be with other people. 143 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: And again he's shown this through word and deeds. Do 144 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: you want to be stuck with someone who does not 145 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: want you? Do you want to be with someone who 146 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: resents you for wanting to only be with him? OHP 147 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: says he dated a lot of people before me. I 148 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: only dated him. I went on a few dates, but 149 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: didn't have any relationships. He said about two to three 150 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: weeks ago that maybe we should separate. 151 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: I went to my parents' house with the baby. Oh 152 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: my god. 153 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: He started apologizing and changed his actions. Now he's upset. 154 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm happy with the change. It just feels like a 155 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: big back and forth, and I'm getting tired of it. 156 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: I'm scared to not be with him though. I love 157 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: so many of the people where we live, and I 158 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: know i'd be the one giving that up. Those friendships 159 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: and supports I had to build while he was away, 160 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: working and doing whatever. It's just so unfair. He didn't 161 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: have to stay with me if this wasn't what he wanted, 162 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: But he made every effort and attempt to say it 163 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: was to commit himself to me and us. But once 164 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: we have a baby, he wants out. He wanted me 165 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: to keep the baby. He doated on me all throughout pregnancy. 166 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: Comment three you says the pregnancy was a surprise birth 167 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: control failure, but we both wanted kids and were happy. 168 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: Are you sure you weren't the only one happy about 169 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: this who's birth control failed. I'm guessing it wasn't his, 170 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: because very little of what you have shared tells me 171 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: that he wants to be a parent. Therapy is not 172 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: the answer. You guys want completely different things. I had 173 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: a copper iud baby implanted next to it. I sent 174 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: him a picture of the test. Then he met me 175 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: at the obgyn for ultra confirmation and iud removal. He 176 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: cried when he saw the pictures and said he was 177 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: so happy and wanted to be a dad. I was 178 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: hesitant and said we could consider a termination due to 179 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: our life circumstances and the surprise of it all. 180 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: He said it was. 181 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: Up to me, and we decided to keep the baby. 182 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: Comment for four says how much longer until you finish school? 183 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: I would honestly focus on being done so you can 184 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: secure higher earning potential for yourself. Quietly talk to a 185 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: divorce lawyer so you can strategize regarding the best time 186 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: to file and seek spousal support and child support, and 187 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: then leave and let him do whatever the he f 188 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: he wants. He doesn't like being a husband or a father, 189 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: and he seems manipulative and selfish. 190 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Op he says, two years and I'm done, and there's 191 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: an update. Oh boy. 192 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: I had gotten in contact with a divorce lawyer's office 193 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: and had a brief consultation with a secretary. It wasn't 194 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: too long, and I haven't done much more gathering of 195 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: info because I've had ten different final papers and projects 196 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: and presentations happening and just don't have the time or 197 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: energy to work on it right now. Since his last comments, 198 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: things had gone back getting better. We still spent time 199 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: together with our toddler and things were starting to feel 200 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: fun and like we were getting closer again. 201 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: Then we went for a walk today. I don't like her. 202 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: This is going though. Maybe he'll finally just be honest. Huh, 203 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: he'll wake up and smell the flowers on our walk. 204 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: He asked me how I thought things had been between us, 205 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: and I said I thought they'd been good, that I 206 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: liked spending time together. Then I asked if he was 207 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: still feeling the same way as the last time we 208 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: talked about this. He basically said yes, that he's disappointed 209 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: that he's the problem and if it wasn't for him, 210 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: we wouldn't be in couples therapy. He also said that 211 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: he doesn't ask me to change anything for him, which 212 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: is bs because he asked me to be polled for him. 213 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: I felt frustrated at this because I'm not asking him 214 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: to change. I'm asking him to do what he had 215 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 2: done our whole relationship before he changed. He used to 216 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: make me homemade picnic dates, surprise me with my favorite 217 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: snacks and coffee, and drinks or my favorite chocolates from 218 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: a European stuff, chocolate tear. We'd go on a date 219 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: every weekend and hang out every evening. We'd text constantly 220 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: and always found new things to talk about, even after 221 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: almost eight years. 222 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: Then, once the. 223 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: Baby was born, he began pushing me away, telling me 224 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: I shouldn't rely on him, while also pushing for a 225 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: polyamorous relationship. He told me he would burn the fumes 226 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: in his tank to make sure others were taken care of, 227 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: but then tell me he couldn't give me those same 228 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: fumes when I needed him, or even anything from his 229 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: tank when. 230 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: It was full. 231 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: It was so opposite of how we used to treat me. 232 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: And I told him this on our walk. Okay, like communication, 233 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: What on earth is this guy gonna say to that? 234 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm so scared he. 235 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: Think he's just gonna go Wow, I can't believe you'd 236 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: say something like that to me. 237 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to not talk to you for two 238 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: days probably. I can't believe. I can't believe you brought 239 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: up the truth. Yeah, how could you? You're You're really 240 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: like putting a lot of me right out. I feel 241 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: very attacked. 242 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: His response was to say, he accepts that he was 243 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: at fault, but I wouldn't be convinced of his position 244 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: no matter what he said. I told him that he's 245 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: not accepting he was or is at fault if he 246 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: keeps trying to convince me otherwise. 247 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: In yeah, he's like, I know it's my fault, but 248 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: you'll never accept that it's not my fault. 249 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not going to tell you because you 250 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: would never understand. I'm not going to tell you why 251 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: I would. You know why I'm still in the right. Yeah, 252 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: but it's just because you would never understand. 253 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: In our next couple's therapy session, I'm going to bring 254 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: up that I think we've been both sidesng the issues 255 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: in our relationship. I'm guilty of participating in this. I'll 256 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: defend him and try to protect his ego and work together, 257 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: but honestly, I haven't done anything wrong in this regard. 258 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: I've acted and reacted in an impossible situation that my 259 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: husband has put me in. I just don't know why 260 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: the birth of our child changed him so much, made 261 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: polyamory into such a fixation of his when that time 262 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: and energy for his self discovery could have been put 263 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: into directly caring for myself and our baby. He keeps 264 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: trying to make excuses that he didn't get to do 265 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: much the first year of her life. But he went 266 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: on multiple hour long hikes and dinners with his friend, 267 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: went on a solo camping trip, slept over at another 268 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: at another friend's house for their birthday instead of coming 269 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: to the first family outing I had planned since giving birth. 270 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: Went hiking and rafting a couple times with the significant 271 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: others of some of my friends, went on dates with me, 272 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: went on dates with other people, had dinner with friends, 273 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: went on solo bike rides where he'd been gone for 274 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: multiple hours or even all day. And hey, by the way, 275 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: you can do all of that stuff while listening to 276 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: full episodes with stories just like this. All you gotta 277 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: do is go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, wherever you 278 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: listen to podcasts, search Okay story Time and you'll find sixty. 279 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: Days back to back to back. 280 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: It's twenty four times sixty hours worth of stories to 281 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: listen to. 282 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 283 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: When I point out my husband has been able to 284 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: do things since the birth of our daughter, his comeback 285 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: is that it's not as much as he usually did 286 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: before the baby. He only got to ride his motorcycle 287 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: once or twice last year. I could have done all 288 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: those things too, never mind that I was exclusively breastfeeding 289 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: our baby and going out anywhere meant having a portable 290 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: pump and refrigeration options on hand, never mind a space 291 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: where I could actually comfortably sit in pump for twenty 292 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: to thirty minutes in the middle of activities. 293 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Just what the f happened? How 294 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: do I go? 295 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: How did I go from a devoted and loving feminist 296 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: minded husband to whatever he is now? 297 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: Whatever? 298 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm still going to try and fix things because maybe 299 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: at some point he'll see the light. But at the 300 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: same time, I'm going to begin to craft my exit plan. 301 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: That's all you can do. 302 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: Let's get into these relevant comments. Comment one. Wait, so 303 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,359 Speaker 2: his tank is on fumes but he wants additional partners 304 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: right bs, He can't take care of the relationship he has, 305 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: but he wants more of them. This man was never 306 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: a progressive feminist and is acting like an entitled baby. 307 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: He has a child and a wife, and he's acting 308 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: like he didn't ask for either, and he's a victim 309 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: I don't think there is a both sides here, and 310 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: I would seriously reconsider any couple's therapist who lets him 311 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: get away with thinking both of you are contributing to 312 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: him being entitled, disengaged, and selfish. Ope, he says, yeah, 313 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: I've been frustrated by that in therapy, though. 314 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: I think our therapist is trying to. 315 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: Follow our lead a little bit because he knows he 316 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: can't fix it for us and is trying to help 317 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: us figure out how to fix it ourselves. I've also 318 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: been contributing to it and presenting things that way because 319 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for things. But yeah, 320 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: it's not my fault. Things are the way they are. 321 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: Comment Or two says, what did he expect when y'all 322 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: became parents? 323 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: He's a dad. 324 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: Now, crap gets real when you have to put all 325 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: your energy, money, blood, sweat and tears into raising your kids, Right, 326 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: it's not going to be a bed of roses the 327 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: whole way. And you know what, a bet of roses 328 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: would be uncomfortable because they've got thorns. 329 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Right. I've always been confused by that. I've never thought 330 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: about it that way. 331 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: A bet of roses looks nice. Yeah, if you lay 332 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: on them, it's gonna hurt. 333 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt unless there's enough roses. 334 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: Whereas the flower part is the only part that touches you. 335 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: Ye, a bed of rose petals, bet of rose petals 336 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: would have to be the distinction. Anyway, I'm sorry he's 337 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: placing the fault on you. 338 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: You don't deserve to be treated like the problem when 339 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: it's him that's making insane demands on you and you're 340 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: doing the right thing. Girl, Opie says, thank you. It's 341 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: not like he didn't expect it, or at least he 342 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: was aware. We talked throughout the pregnancy about how everything 343 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: will change, how it already had changed for me, and 344 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: how my life and my plans were pushed back a 345 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: year because of pregnancy and postpartum. He got to keep 346 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: much more of his life and freedom than I did. 347 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: Yes, he took on extra side work. 348 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: To bring in some of the money we were losing 349 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: with me staying home, though we would have lost even 350 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: more if I had kept working. But all the time 351 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: he was working, I was taking care of our baby, 352 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: And all the time he wasn't working, I was taking 353 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: care of our baby. Comment three says he was never 354 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: a true feminist. Oh sure, he was a feminist when 355 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: he was getting the spicy sleep regularly and he was 356 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: the main character in your life. But after the baby, 357 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: patriarchy says, he's not supposed to be the caregiver. Patriarchy says, 358 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: it's normal for you to be around a burned out mess, 359 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: not his problem. I don't is that look okay, patriarchy aside. 360 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: I think you don't need to be the patriarchy to 361 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: tell you to be a. 362 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Good husband or a bad husband. 363 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: This guy just yeah, I don't think this guy's I 364 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: don't think this guy's sitting down at the bi weekly 365 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: patriarchy meeting and being like, yeah, so we're gonna keep 366 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: being bad husbands this week. Cool, cool, good, good good. 367 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: I think he just doesn't want to be a husband 368 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: at all, and he's trying to make her leave. 369 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's. 370 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: Probably again, probably cheating on her. I would put all 371 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: of my eggs into that basket. Don't think we're going 372 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: to get that revelation here. 373 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm heavily suspect. 374 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what, Like, what kind of trips are he 375 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: is he going on? 376 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: Well? 377 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: What's he doing all day at work? In those logs 378 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: on me. By the way, what's what's what trips are? 379 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: Is he going on? Where's he doing at work? Oh? 380 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: He's putting in work. Oh okay. 381 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Patriarchy says it's normal for him to want spicy sleep 382 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: with other people, no matter how is why he feels 383 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: about it, so he believed it it benefits him. That's 384 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: the whole story. Look, patriarchy has never convinced me I 385 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: need polyamory. 386 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I'll say that. Okay, yep. 387 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: Maybe he gets his head out of his button decides 388 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: to actually build a loving and successful life with you, 389 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: someone who. 390 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Really wants that. 391 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: But that's going to be an uphill climb because he's 392 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: already figured out that just following the scripts he's heard 393 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: all his life ensures his life really didn't have to 394 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: change half as much as yours did. I would really 395 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: hone in on that with the therapist, and if the 396 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 2: therapist tries to both sides fire that therapist. You don't 397 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: need a therapist to act like you're the problem here 398 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: when you one hundred percent or not. I feel for you, 399 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: and I think it's wise you're keeping an exit plan. 400 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: Ohp says, I just don't really know how to make 401 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: that exit plan. I'm not working as I take care 402 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: of the toddler full time and am in school on 403 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: a full time schedule too, squished into two days a 404 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: week while my parents take care of the little one, 405 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: so I'm not making my own money at the moment. 406 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: I don't graduate until twenty twenty seven with a master's 407 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 2: woo nice. So I either have to stay with him 408 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: until I get a job after graduation so I can 409 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: afford my own place, or I have to move in 410 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: with my parents before that, who don't really have the 411 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: space for us, but can make it work. Commenter Force says, seriously, no, 412 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: just break up. This is a complete waste of time 413 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: and energy. I was rooting for you in the last post, 414 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: and I felt that reading this is a waste of 415 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: my time and energy. Just break up, OHP says thank you. 416 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: I feel like my wheels are just spinning on this too. 417 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: It feels like every time things get better lately, he 418 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: tells me he's not fulfilled. I don't know why he 419 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: won't just break up with me. Then what does he 420 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: want to fix if being together makes him feel so bad? 421 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: My wife refused to compromise on our marriage because it's 422 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: against who she is. 423 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: That's just the way I am. 424 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: When I was younger, before I met my wife, I 425 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: had a pretty fun and adventurous life. I drank, I partied, 426 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 3: I worked out, I tried some different substances. I worked 427 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: out hard, and I had amazing passionate, spicy, sleep. 428 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Cool. 429 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: I never went to college, but I worked hard and 430 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: became a general manager than a district manager. I was 431 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: then asked to move from the West Coast to the 432 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: Midwest to open and grow a small business. 433 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: I accepted. 434 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from mister one two and 435 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: if you want to submit your own stories, go to 436 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: the r slash Okay storytime sepread it. So I met 437 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: my wife, I calmed down on the partying, going out 438 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: and drinking. The substances I tried were usually a once 439 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: or twice off while on a bachelor party here and there. 440 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: So no issue there. 441 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: On our first date, my wife didn't dress up, put 442 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: on any makeup, or even shower after work. 443 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: She came in a tank top and some black short charts. 444 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this. 445 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: Is actually incredibly cute. She gives such few f's about 446 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: this date. She is so low maintenance. She's still beautiful 447 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: and fit even without all that. She also told me 448 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: on our first date that she doesn't like dressing up 449 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: or putting on makeup. We went out again and again 450 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: with slightly varying degrees of effort and dressing up on 451 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: our fourth date. Our fourth date was a big one. 452 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: We went to her favorite musical and she dressed to 453 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: the nines, tight black dress, wedges, black panties, makeup and everything. 454 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: She looked stunning and I thought, what a catch. 455 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 3: She's beautiful without any effort and gorgeous with it. We 456 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 3: had spicy sleep for the first time afterwards, and okay, 457 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: and it was a long and passionate again. 458 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: You're cool, We get it. We just move on. Come on. 459 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: My wife had the complete opposite lifestyle that I had 460 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: growing up. She is a homebody, didn't party. She's never 461 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: been wasted, never tried substances. It doesn't really like going out, 462 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: hates cooking, but likes tidying it and cleaning. I thought 463 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: we would do an amazing job of balancing each other out. 464 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: I could make her come out of her show a 465 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: little bit, and she could rain me in. We used 466 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: to work out together regularly. She was an athlete growing up. 467 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: And so was I. I still fancy myself an athlete 468 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: to a degree. As my business grew, I had less 469 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: time for working out For a few years, she stopped 470 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 3: going to the gym as she got busier at work 471 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: and we didn't have a workout routine together. We went 472 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: through some ups and downs lowells in our spicy sleep 473 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: life due to her going to bed at nine every 474 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: night and me usually working until ten pm or later. 475 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 3: We got married and then moved to the suburbs. I 476 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: sell my business and get a corporate job. 477 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: I do well at my job. She does well at 478 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: her job and gets promoted. 479 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: I have time to go to the gym again, lose 480 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 3: thirty pounds and put muscle back on. 481 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: She works from seven am to five pm every day. 482 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: I don't have any more crazy nights, irely drink, cook 483 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: dinner at home, and have a boring life that is 484 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: eating at me from the inside. The way that this 485 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 3: oat pe is like setting things up, not even with 486 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: the story, but just how he's writing the story. It 487 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: feels like his English teacher would be like, you got 488 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 3: a show, Not tell my guy, this is all telling. 489 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: You go giving the uh you know, the the the 490 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: exposition here there is no spice or passion in our 491 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: life together. 492 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: We are vanilla. We have no similar hobbies or shows 493 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: that we watch together. Mostly we talk about work. I 494 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: approach her and I say, this is what I need 495 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: so I can be happier in our marriage. I'd like 496 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: you to start coming back to the jam with me 497 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: or doing some sort of exercise with me, for whatever 498 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: screwed up reason. I need this for my partner to 499 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: feel a connection with you. Interesting team I here, But 500 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 3: the only time we ever have something close to not 501 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: vanilla spicy sleep is when we do some sort of 502 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 3: physical activity together, like go on a hike or a 503 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: rare yoga class together. I need a little bit more 504 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: excitement or craziness from you. Not asking you to do 505 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 3: a line of substances off of a spicy dancer's front airbag, 506 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 3: but just be more open having a few drinks at 507 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: a nice restaurant on a Tuesday night. If we lighten 508 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: up a bit, some of our passion for life might 509 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: come back on our date nights. Don't pull up in 510 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: front of the house text me to come outside and 511 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: drive to us and drive us to the nearest restaurant 512 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: because you're striving. Would you mind coming in and putting 513 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: on a little makeup or something other than what you 514 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: wore to work, Not every time, just every once in 515 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: a while, so it feels like you're putting some effort 516 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: into it. 517 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: And there were some other minor requests. Her response, all of. 518 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: Those things are against my core being, so I can't 519 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: do those things for you. You shouldn't expect me to change 520 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: who I am. I feel like the things I'm asking 521 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: aren't excessive or unreasonable. 522 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Right, but you asked in the way I feel like. 523 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: These are basic things a married couple does to keep 524 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: a spark going for the sixty years you plan to 525 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: be together. 526 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: Am I being unreasonable? There are some edits and additions. 527 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: First off, things with the responsors so far, some of 528 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 3: them have been eye opening to one a hole. I 529 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: am for the way I presented this to her. Thank you, However, 530 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: that doesn't change the way I feel. Second, something that 531 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: I should add is that despite dressing up and wearing 532 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: makeup being against her core being, she has no problem 533 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 3: doing it for the occasional wedding or big event. 534 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: Exactly. 535 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: You want an event, you want, you want a special 536 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: thing to be excited for, and dressing up is a 537 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: part of the process. 538 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you want. 539 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: Anyone you're married to shouldn't need to have to put 540 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: on anything to go anywhere with you, only if they 541 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: want to. 542 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 3: She says, she likes to look good for the pictures, 543 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: so can it really be against her core being. 544 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: Third, everyone is focusing on the. 545 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: Makeup and excitement comment, and I can see how that 546 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: makes me sound like an absolute jack. But the thought 547 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: I was trying to convey, which I did end up 548 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: explaining to her as well, was that we needed to 549 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: do things together to find a connection again. I unfortunately 550 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: feel no closeness or emotional connection to my wife right now. 551 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 3: I've suggested multiple different activities and adventures we can go 552 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: on together so that we can share a common experience. 553 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 3: She's usually too tired from work. And I don't need 554 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: to do more things alone. I do plenty things alone 555 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 3: between friends, classes, and sports leagues. 556 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: I want to do things with my wife. 557 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 3: Fourth, At no point did I ever ask her to 558 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: come party with me. I don't need a party anymore. 559 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: Where did I say that I asked her to party? 560 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: All I said that I wish she could be more 561 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 3: open and trying new things with me. Whether it's a 562 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: new restaurant or a new class, activity or adventure. More addition, 563 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: where does it say anything about asking her to lose weight? 564 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: People go to the gym for a variety of reasons 565 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: besides losing weight. We do have an update. I'll try 566 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 3: to keep this as short as I can, so over 567 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: the weekend we talked much more calmly. 568 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: About some of the stuff that I approached her about. 569 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: I started off by apologizing for the way that I 570 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: phrased my once, but also said that just because I 571 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: was an a whole in the way that I handle 572 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: it doesn't change that those wants still exist. She acknowledged 573 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: that it is definitely fair to want the relationship to 574 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: be passionate exciting. After being together for five years, we 575 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: came to some of the following agreements exercise and physical 576 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: challenging activities together. She confessed that she can't get back 577 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: into going to the gym because she associates the gym 578 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: and working out with ten years of her life where 579 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: she was forced to work out constantly told us she 580 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: wasn't good enough and needed to be better, and being 581 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: yelled at by coaches in high school and college. 582 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger deal. 583 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: Turns out this aversion is something a lot of athletes 584 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: deal with, which is news to me. 585 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know that either. Oh yeah, dude, you think 586 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: that's why. 587 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: Like there's a huge you knowing, like a great football 588 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: player who retired like huh at like not the height 589 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: of his career. But it's like he's definitely still could 590 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: have kept going. He's just like, I just don't have 591 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 2: it in me. I just don't want to do anyway. 592 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: I already won the super Bowl. Dang, dude, I want 593 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: to keep doing this. This stuff's hard. 594 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: It is hard. 595 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: And I got a family. Yeah, I got a Super 596 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: Bowl ring, I got money. 597 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: You're good. I'm over it. 598 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, well that makes sense which to make 599 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: that call, you know. 600 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 601 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: I started looking into physical activities that we can do together, 602 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 3: and we're planning to try some different things. We have 603 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: an indoor rock climbing date planned for this week of fun, 604 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 3: which we are both excited about. See, that's fun. There's 605 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: a lot of fun activities to do that that doesn't have. 606 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: To be like go go go, push push push. 607 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: You know. 608 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's nice. Yeah. 609 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: As for effort into the date night, I backtracked big 610 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: time on the makeup and be more fun and exciting thing, and. 611 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: Said that I was a total knucklehead for saying that, 612 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: and it was not what I meant. I used a 613 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: horrible example there. 614 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 3: I explained in a little more detail that I basically 615 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: wanted to feel more like she wanted me to be 616 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: attracted to her. She agreed that it was unfair for 617 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 3: her to pull up after work on a date. She 618 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: agreed that it was unfair for her to pull up 619 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: after work on date nights and just have me run 620 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: out to the car so we can get to the 621 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: restaurant and chow down. We will both be putting more 622 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 3: effort into date nights. 623 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: See that's so nice. I love these solutionicks. 624 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: What happens when you open communication channels with each other? 625 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and it's okay if it starts in a bad 626 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: way because you didn't meet it, you make mistakes, and 627 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: then you communicate about that. 628 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I will do. 629 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: A better job of picking new and fun places to try. 630 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: She will be more open to trying new things and 631 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: spend some time after work getting ready, which brings us 632 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: to the last point. 633 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: Her work hours. 634 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: She didn't realize the toll it was taking on a 635 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: relationship that she was exhausting herself at work. She said 636 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 3: that she will make a bigger effort to leave by 637 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: four point thirty going forward, and to go in less 638 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: on the weekends, which will leave more time for us 639 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: to do things together, even if it's as simple as 640 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: relaxing by the pool. I didn't mention the spicy sleep stuff. 641 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 3: I'm hoping that if these changes stick, that that will 642 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: naturally result in a more passionate, spicy sleep life, which 643 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: will probably be true. 644 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Honestly. 645 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: I ended by asking if there was anything else that 646 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: she wanted for me, and that she didn't have to 647 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: respond right now. She said that she will take some 648 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: time to think about that, as she hasn't even thought 649 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: about anything like that lately. Thanks to everyone for the advice, 650 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see where our relationship goes from here. 651 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see all of you. 652 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: Go over to Spotify, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or. 653 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Whatever your favorite podcast app is. We've got full episodes, 654 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: more stories just like this one just searts. 655 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: Okay, story tells right, Yeah, thousand episode many there's more 656 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: to this story. 657 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: But I'm loving how this is going. Yes, it's perfect. 658 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Makes me feel so warm inside. 659 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's like when when things when you feel 660 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: like things are slipping in any given context, like a 661 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: relationship or something, it's like, just talk. You have to 662 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: talk about it, don't just sit there and say nothing exactly. 663 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: It's just such I feel like this is such a 664 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: breath of fresh air because so many of these stories, 665 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: like when problems starts to come up like this, you know, 666 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: or similar to this, it's it's usually like no, like 667 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: it's just being this whole fight and then it ends 668 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: up that they shouldn't be together and whoever brought up 669 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: the problems was they whole because he didn't bring them up. 670 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: In the right way. But this is so relieving that 671 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: it's like, hang on, guys, it's okay. They both love 672 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: each other and they're gonna work it out. It's so 673 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: nice And we do have a little bit more to 674 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: this story seed more happy update. 675 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: She's currently planning a date for us for the weekend, 676 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: which is a trip to Tequila Fest in our local downtown. 677 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: This is something so literally beyond anything that she's ever 678 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: shown an interest in that I am totally floored. Sorry, 679 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to brag, just really excited, and I 680 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 3: understand that she's probably not interested in tequila, but that 681 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: she's going to do it to make an effort to 682 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: do stuff together. 683 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: And that is the end of that beautiful story. 684 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: Hey is John og host Were gonna get back to 685 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: the stories, but a quick free minute break of ads 686 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: from our sponsors. 687 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: My sister fired me from my job, even though I 688 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: did nothing wrong fire her. I, nineteen female, have had 689 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: a broken family for at least twelve years now, although 690 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: I have four siblings. For the sake of this story, 691 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: I will only refer to my twenty three female sister 692 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: and my seventeen male younger brother. By the way, this 693 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: comes from it pulling on strings and if you want 694 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: to submit your own stories, going to our slash Okay 695 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: storytime separate. So for context, my older siblings have a 696 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: different dad to my younger brother and me, and since 697 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: I was seven, my sister had moved to her dad's place. 698 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: Since then, I have seen my sister on and off 699 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: as she moved between her dad's and my mom's house 700 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: and then eventually out of home. Her dad lived about 701 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: twelve hours away at the time. For example, for my 702 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: tenth birthday, she surprised me by turning up, and I 703 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: cried because she hadn't even messaged me since she left 704 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: three years prior. Around about this time last year, I 705 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 3: needed a second job for extra money, and so my 706 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: sister offered me a casual position as she was the 707 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: store manager at her place of work. Our relationship had 708 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: been strained for years at this point, as she would 709 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 3: let me trust her and then push me away again, 710 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: but at this time we had just started talking again 711 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: and I saw it as an opportunity to get to 712 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: know her once again since we were both adults now. 713 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: Her condition to letting me work there was that I 714 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to tell the others that I was her sister, 715 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: which hurt me a lot because I felt like she 716 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: was embarrassed of me, especially when my younger brother worked 717 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: there at the time and everyone knew that he was 718 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: her brother. She's like, yeah, but he's cool regardless. I 719 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: let it go because I was just glad to be 720 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 3: around her again. Fast forward to a couple of weeks 721 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 3: and I had a friend who was having issues with 722 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: her family, so I had offered her to stay with 723 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: my younger brother, my dad, and me until she found 724 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: somewhere to live. 725 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: On this specific day. 726 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: It was her first day coming to stay with us, 727 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: and I knew she finished work at five point fifteen. 728 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: It was about a half hour drive. 729 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: From her work to my house in about a fifteen 730 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: minute drive from my work to my house, and I 731 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: was off at five thirty. 732 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: For this reason, I wanted to. 733 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: Leave right on time because I didn't want her to 734 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: be waiting outside at night by herself. It was winter, 735 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: so it got dark very quickly, and she didn't know 736 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: my brother or dad well enough to be in the 737 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: house alone with them. 738 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: And I didn't want her to be uncomfortable. For this reason. 739 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: Straight on five thirty, I tried to ask my sister 740 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: if I could go home, but she. 741 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: Was busy talking, so I waited. 742 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: After about five minutes, I started getting anxious because I 743 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: am a nervous person, and I said to her, Hey, 744 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I really need to leave. I'm off 745 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: at five thirty and it's now five thirty five. I 746 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 3: need to go home, so my friend isn't there by herself. 747 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: She responded with I have made a new rule that 748 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: whatever time you finish, you need to stay fifteen minutes. 749 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: After to tidy up your station before you leave. I 750 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: will pay you for it. You can't just. 751 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 4: Make new rules. 752 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: Willy nilly, Yeah, you gotta put that in the schedule then, yeah, 753 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: be like, oh you're off now, I'm adding fifteen minutes 754 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 3: to your off time. I said to her, I've already 755 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: cleaned up my station. On my roster, it says five 756 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: thirty finished time. If you want me to finish at 757 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 3: five forty five, you need to. 758 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: Put that on my roster. That's right. 759 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: I understand you are going to have to pay me 760 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: for it, and in the future I will stay back, 761 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: but today I really need to go. 762 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: She then told me no, and I was visibly annoyed. 763 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: Like I said, I am a nervous person and being 764 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: late makes me anxious. I stayed for another five minutes 765 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: before she said come with me now, before walking me 766 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: into the back of the store, and said, do not 767 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: ever undermine me in front of staff ever. 768 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Again. The way you just spoke to me was disgusting. 769 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: And just because I'm your sister doesn't mean you get 770 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: to talk to. 771 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: Me like that. I am your boss, girl. 772 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: If you're my friend, God, literally, even if that's your boss, 773 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: like you still say to your boss, sorry, can't stay 774 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 3: you'll have to put it on my thing next time, 775 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: to which I was confused because I didn't give her 776 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: any attitude. 777 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: I only explained that to. 778 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: Her because at my other job, I was a duty 779 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 3: manager and I knew that it was illegal to keep 780 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: staff back past their finished time if they refuse to 781 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 3: stay back, which is what I responded to her with. 782 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: At this point, staff were walking past and witnessing. 783 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 5: Now she's created this whole like mess that's getting even 784 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 5: more dramatic that people are gonna notice. 785 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: Make it a scene, I'm sure. 786 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 3: Like when they first had that conversation, no one cared 787 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: at that place of work. She has lots of staff 788 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: that are afraid of losing their jobs, so they agree 789 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: with her. So I knew that I wasn't going to win. 790 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: I told her, I'm sorry, but I'm leaving. My friend 791 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 3: needs me. I already told you that I will stay 792 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 3: in the future, but that doesn't give you the right 793 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 3: to talk to me like that either, just because I'm 794 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: working under you. And she said that if I walk out, 795 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: then don't come back because I won't have a job. 796 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: I walked out without saying another word. After this, I 797 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: asked other people from work if I was rude to her, 798 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: and I will admit by the end of arguing, I 799 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: was getting pretty angry. However, I never swore at her. 800 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: I didn't yell, but I did raise my voice. She, however, 801 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: was cutting me off, swearing at me, and yelling. The 802 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 3: other people I asked said yes, and so I was 803 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: starting to think that maybe I was the rude one. However, 804 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: a couple of months go by and at my other 805 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 3: place of work, one of the girls who I used 806 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 3: to work with at my sister's workplace started working at 807 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 3: my job when I wasn't friends with at the time, 808 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: and she told me that she left because my sister 809 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 3: is toxic. I ran into another coworker a couple of 810 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 3: months after, and he told me that he saw the 811 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 3: situation and said it was unreasonable to fire me after 812 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: how she treated me, and said that he left because. 813 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 4: Of her too. 814 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Boom. 815 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're gonna be a bad boss, you're gonna 816 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: lose all your employees. 817 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna lose them all. That's the thing. 818 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 5: The sister is thinking that, oh, oh, he can't talk 819 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 5: to her like that, and is saying like, oh, you're 820 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 5: treating me like your sister. But the thing is that's 821 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 5: what she's doing. He's treating ope like a sister and 822 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 5: not an employee. She thinks, oh, hey, can you help me. 823 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: Out a little bit more. 824 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: It's like, no, yes, that's what you would ask your sister, 825 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: not your employee. 826 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 5: Oh I'm gonna yell at you while we're having an argument. 827 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 4: That's what you do with your sister, not your employee. 828 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: Exactly. 829 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 3: I ended up apologizing to my sister because I didn't 830 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 3: want to leave a relationship angry, and I told her 831 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 3: I want to talk again. I also had my school 832 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: formal coming up and wanted her to come to my 833 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: photos beforehand, because those photos would only ever happen once, 834 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 3: to which. 835 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: She responded with, are you a fan? Kidding me? Right now? 836 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: I can get over all the other small fights we 837 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 3: have we have had, and the stupid things that we've 838 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 3: had arguments about, because I love you. But the second 839 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 3: you bring your childish little chantrums into my workplace, the 840 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 3: place that I have devoted every single ounce of my 841 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: energy and being into, I refuse to apologize or act 842 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 3: like it's okay when it's not. The way you acted 843 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: was disgraceful, disrespectful, and had the potential to. 844 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: Threaten my job security. 845 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: You invite I didn't mean to your foremo without even 846 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 3: apologizing to me or acknowledging you were in the wrong. 847 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: Is not you trying to make up with me. 848 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 3: It's just you being selfish and only thinking about yourself 849 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: because apparently that's what you're good at now. And I 850 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: responded with you know that I love you and that 851 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: I want a relationship with you. I understand that you 852 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 3: have gone through a lot, and I get it because 853 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 3: I have too, and I'm sorry for any part that 854 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: I have played in what has happened. If you were 855 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 3: to come to photos, they will be at four forty five, 856 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 3: otherwise it will be too dark. And she said that 857 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 3: wasn't good enough, so I didn't respond. Fast forward a 858 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: couple of months and she asked me to come to 859 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 3: her birthday, which I said no to because I was 860 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 3: still hurt and she hadn't come to my birthday in years, 861 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: not even sent me a message to say happy birthday. 862 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 3: I asked her to come to my graduation and she 863 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: said no, so I decided to not put any more 864 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 3: effort into our relationship and told her that I was 865 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: done being the one to put effort in when she 866 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 3: doesn't even try to message me unless it benefits her. 867 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 3: I bring this up now because more drama has gone 868 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 3: on currently and her firing me was brought up. 869 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: So am I the A hole? And we do have 870 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: an update? But what do we think so far? Is 871 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: op the ahole? No, your sister is clearly a bad boss. 872 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, and like taking advantage of her employees, including you, 873 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 5: and thinks that she can get away with it because 874 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 5: you your sister, which is not the case. 875 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 3: You've got support from the other employees under her rule, 876 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 3: and they. 877 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: Also agree that she is just not a good boss. 878 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 3: The thing is, if you had had that conversation and 879 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 3: then all the other employees had said, wow, like you 880 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 3: cannot speak to your boss like that, that's not okay, 881 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah, I'd have been like, yeah, 882 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 3: maybe you said something wrong there, but you left and 883 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 3: then everyone, like multiple people came to you and said, yeah, 884 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 3: I quit because she sucks exactly. 885 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: So definitely not the A hole. But we do have 886 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: an update, so let's get into it. Update. 887 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 3: I didn't report my sister because it wasn't a big 888 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 3: issue at the time. I had another job, so it 889 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 3: wasn't like I was without income. Second of all, calling 890 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 3: me the a hole because I tried to make amends 891 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 3: with my sister is crazy. We are currently in no 892 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 3: contact and I don't let her walk all over be Yes, 893 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 3: I would love a relationship with her, but at the 894 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 3: end of my day, my mental health comes first. I 895 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: wasn't asking if this made me the A hole. I 896 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: was asking if I was the a hole for cutting 897 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: her off. So we're clarifying some things. And lastly, for 898 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 3: the comments, this story isn't fake. Believe me, I wish 899 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 3: it was, but unfortunately it's not. Before saying it's fake, 900 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 3: ask me to clarify anything, which I will happily do 901 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 3: to show you that I am telling the truth. This 902 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 3: happened a year ago, and now more drama has come up, 903 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 3: which I will go through now, and for context, I 904 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: will say my mom wasn't perfect. I definitely have trauma 905 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 3: that I won't get into for the sake of keeping 906 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: this as short as possible. However, my belief is that 907 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 3: your own trauma is your own to heal. You cannot 908 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: blame other people, which is something that I have focused 909 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 3: on for the last six years of my life. I 910 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 3: now have a relationship with my mom that, although it 911 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: isn't perfect, it is still one where I can trust 912 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 3: her with advice and support. My mom also has had 913 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 3: a traumatic childhood, and although she tried to break the cycle, 914 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 3: she was the type of mother who would give you 915 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 3: heaps and heaps of love and care and then switch. 916 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: It off when things got bad. 917 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 3: She isn't perfect, but I love my mom and know 918 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 3: that she did the best that she could with the 919 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: knowledge she had at the time. She is constantly trying 920 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,959 Speaker 3: to fix as much of the trauma as she can, 921 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 3: and she apologizes to all of us for our upbringing. However, 922 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 3: she does still carry a lot of anger, which is 923 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: something that I have voiced to her that I think 924 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 3: she should heal. For the sake of this update, I 925 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: will not mention my oldest brother as he is not 926 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 3: relevant to the story. I will refer to my older 927 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 3: brother twenty six male, older sister twenty three female, and 928 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 3: younger brother seventeen male. 929 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to my sister since I. 930 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 3: Asked her to come to my graduation and she said no, 931 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,479 Speaker 3: which was November last year. Since then, I have only 932 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 3: seen her for a few minutes every couple of months 933 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: when she drops my younger brother off at home, but 934 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: I don't talk to her. A couple of weeks ago, 935 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: my younger brother broke up with his girlfriend, and yes 936 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 3: it is only a teenage relationship, but he was very 937 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 3: hurt by her as she is very manipulative. So I 938 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: thought it would be a nice idea to try and 939 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 3: get all of us siblings together just for an afternoon 940 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: to hang out and support him. I messaged an old 941 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 3: chat with my other siblings in it, before realizing that 942 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 3: my sister had blocked me, so I got my older 943 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 3: brother to add her to the chat. I sent a 944 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 3: message stating the situation and told them when my availability 945 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 3: was and asked them to send theirs. At first, my 946 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: older brother said that he would check if he was free, 947 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 3: but then my sister came back I'm paraphrasing here and 948 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 3: said that she already sees him at work and going 949 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 3: to hang out together was really pointless because it's not 950 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 3: going to make him feel better. He's starting my employee. 951 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: I don't need to hang out with him. Why would 952 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 3: I see him more than when he's working for me? 953 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 3: That's crazy. He'd at least try to make him feel better. 954 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 3: My younger brother is really hurt by my family being broken. 955 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 3: He has nightmares about my older siblings leaving him and 956 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: forgetting about him, so I know how important this hangout 957 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: would be for him. Anyways, I responded by saying that 958 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 3: seeing him all the time and all of us hanging 959 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: out is very different and that she should know that, 960 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 3: and this is when it went bad. I know I 961 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 3: shouldn't have texted that so witchy, but I do apologize. 962 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 3: Later on, my older brother and sister tell me that 963 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 3: I am reactive and aggressive and I need to learn 964 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 3: how to communicate over text. But regardless he is in 965 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 3: high school, he will get over the breakup. I then responded, 966 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 3: saying that it wasn't just about his breakup, but that 967 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 3: he felt really disconnected from the family for months. 968 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: I then explained that I was sorry and didn't mean 969 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: for the text to come out that way. 970 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 3: I just got annoyed because this happens every time trying 971 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: to make plans with each other, and we haven't all 972 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 3: been in the same room as each other for years. 973 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 3: My sister then responded saying that he's fine and I'm 974 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 3: overreacting and that I still live at home so I 975 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 3: don't understand what it's like to be an actual adult. 976 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 3: She then said that reaching out is a two way 977 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: street and if I wanted to hang out, I need 978 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 3: to ask her. 979 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: She then said that she doesn't want. 980 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 3: To hang out if I'm constantly having a victim mentality, 981 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 3: and that's something that I need to fix if I 982 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 3: want her in my life. My brother responded and said 983 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 3: that he agrees with her, and it's hard to make 984 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 3: time for themselves, let alone for socializing. I responded saying 985 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: that I'm also an adult now and I work full time, 986 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 3: have UNI full time, play sports, and have a boyfriend, 987 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 3: and yet I still find time for them and time 988 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 3: to decompress. I also buy my own groceries, I clean 989 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 3: the house all the time, payboard, and do all of 990 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 3: my own chores. I'm practically living on my own in 991 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: every way apart from my room actually being at my 992 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 3: mom's house. I then said that I don't even know 993 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 3: them anymore or what they're like, and that me and 994 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 3: my younger brother feel completely shut out. 995 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: From their lives. 996 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 3: I said that I get frustrated when I reach out 997 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 3: for the first time in months and they say they 998 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 3: are unavailable. I also told my sister that I am 999 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 3: reactive because I don't plan on getting close with her 1000 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 3: again when she pushes me away every time. I then 1001 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 3: brought up how she never apologized for firing me when 1002 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 3: I apologize to her for the way I acted. I 1003 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 3: told her to stop blaming me for once and see 1004 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 3: it from my person. My brother then said that an 1005 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 3: employer doesn't apologize for firing. 1006 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: You when you have been disrespectful to them. 1007 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 3: He said that she was my boss and had every 1008 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 3: right to snap back to me for undermining her. 1009 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 5: Not true, it's not true, and also like, I'm sorry. 1010 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 5: The way that she fired Opie was so like blase. 1011 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,479 Speaker 5: She was just like, okay, well if you leave your fire. 1012 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: Opie was just definitely in the right and everyone else 1013 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: is stupid. 1014 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 3: And I said that he doesn't know the full context 1015 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 3: and only knows that my sister has told him. 1016 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,240 Speaker 1: Plus I apologize for the way that I reacted. 1017 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 3: I then told him what actually happened, please see the 1018 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 3: original post, and he said that my friends on the 1019 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 3: shift saying that she was out of line isn't credible, 1020 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 3: but he doesn't understand that I was new to that job, 1021 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 3: so I didn't have any friends at the time. The 1022 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 3: only witnesses I had were those I spoke to after 1023 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 3: I left the store. He then told me to keep 1024 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 3: dredging up past drama to justify my poor behavior, and 1025 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 3: then left the chats. It's not past drama, you asked. 1026 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 3: I guess you didn't ask. 1027 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 5: You just kind of assumed that you knew what the 1028 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 5: situation was and then said, Oh, that's not what happened. 1029 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 1: Here's what happened. 1030 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 5: He's like, Oh, bring it up past drama. 1031 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: Like you just did that. 1032 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 3: You need to know the situation, and all of you 1033 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 3: people need to know that. We've gotten full episodes, more 1034 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 3: stories just like this one on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 1035 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 3: whatever your favorite podcast app is to search. 1036 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 1: Okay, story time, get on over there, or you're fired. 1037 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: We have that authority for all of you. They're really scary. 1038 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: It's too much power. I have all the power and 1039 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: the worm Queen. 1040 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 5: You are in my dominion and therefore I have complete 1041 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 5: authority over your jobs. 1042 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, there is a little bit worse the story. 1043 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wrap it right up. Okay, So at this. 1044 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 3: Point, my sister only started responding again when I brought 1045 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 3: up how people left because of her I. 1046 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: Told her that I'm not telling her. 1047 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 3: Who it was because she hasn't put in any effort 1048 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 3: to actually act like mysis, so I'm not. 1049 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: Going to support her either. 1050 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 3: And she said, and I quote, you seriously need to 1051 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 3: seek some professional mental help. 1052 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: So I didn't respond. 1053 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 3: So am I the a hole for not telling my 1054 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 3: sister who left the company because of her? 1055 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: And there are some comments, but what's her answer? No, 1056 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't even need to be a question. It's not 1057 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: anything you owe her at all. 1058 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 3: No. Some comments say you are the a whole. You 1059 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 3: are young, and sorry to say, immature. You think being 1060 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 3: reasonable from your perspective is the right way, and yet 1061 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 3: ignore the signs that contradict this. But that's okay. You 1062 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 3: will learn over time. Getting fired has nothing to do 1063 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 3: with her being your sister. You chose to get fired, 1064 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 3: as your manager was very clear about the consequences. You 1065 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 3: decided that your friend waiting was more important than losing 1066 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 3: your job. Your opinion about reasonableness is irrelevant. You will 1067 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 3: find many bosses will do things that you find unreasonable, 1068 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 3: and then you decide if you stay or leave. All good, However, 1069 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 3: you continue to bring this up as part of your 1070 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 3: family discussion. Stem it. It is history in the future. 1071 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 3: Don't blur the personal and professional lives. If you feel 1072 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 3: the personal relationship can't be repaired, then it's okay to 1073 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 3: go do contact. But she does not have any reason 1074 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 3: to apologize to you. And someone else's response to that COVID. 1075 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 5: Wrong commenter Opie's family was bringing up sister and the 1076 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 5: brother were always bringing it up, saying, oh you were 1077 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 5: you talked back bad about me, blah blah blah whatever. 1078 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 5: And also I hate the idea that you cannot communicate 1079 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 5: your needs and rights as an employee to your employer, 1080 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 5: that you cannot stand up for yourself if your employer 1081 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 5: is asking you something that is unfair that they have 1082 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 5: not given you for warning for that, you know, et cetera, 1083 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 5: et cetera, like say, hey, you know, don't just let 1084 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 5: them walk all over you. Obviously, sometimes that can lead 1085 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 5: to consequences. They might fire you blah blah blah, in 1086 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 5: which case hopefully you can get some. 1087 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 4: Legal you know. Root course, if your boss is treating 1088 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 4: you unfairly, don't not take it. 1089 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like this commentary was just like, ah, 1090 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 3: there's all bosses are just like terrible like that you 1091 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 3: just have to deal with it. 1092 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: You just have to deal with it. It's like no, no, no, no, no, 1093 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: stand up for workers. You know. 1094 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 3: You called Opie immature for wanting to leave work after 1095 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 3: her shift ended, But that's okay, you will learn over time. 1096 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 3: And Opie response to that, I didn't decide that my 1097 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 3: friend waiting was more important than losing my job. 1098 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: I decided that I wasn't going to. 1099 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 3: Be berated by her anymore because I wanted to leave 1100 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 3: at my intended shift end time. I brought up her 1101 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 3: firing me in the discussion because I was explaining how 1102 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 3: these situations occur over and over again and I'm always made. 1103 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: Out to be the bad guy. 1104 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 3: I brought it up because it was unresolved and needed 1105 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 3: to be resolved going forward. 1106 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 5: Her sister said, literally when she tried to bring it 1107 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 5: up and like get past at her sister was like, 1108 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 5: how dare you? 1109 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 4: You almost made me lose my job security. It's like okay. 1110 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 4: Clearly her sister was not over that. 1111 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 3: But Opie's response continue is also I'm a store manager 1112 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 3: myself and have never treated a staff member the way 1113 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 3: she treated me, and I had my younger brother work for. 1114 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,479 Speaker 1: Me at a time as well. Someone else responds, I. 1115 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 3: Agree with this. The two of you will never bend 1116 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 3: because you both think that you're right, So just agree 1117 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 3: to disagree and drop it. If she was just a 1118 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 3: former employer, she would not have to explain herself to 1119 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 3: a former employee the facts that you want to have 1120 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 3: a heart to heart about this in itself expecting special treatment. 1121 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 5: But I also kind of disagree with that because there 1122 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 5: is a difference in how you treat a regular employee 1123 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 5: and how you treat an employee as your family, because 1124 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 5: you also have outside time where you see them, but 1125 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 5: you have two simultaneous relationships going on with that person 1126 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 5: and you have to manage both. 1127 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 3: You can like treat her as a sister in the 1128 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 3: sense where you're going to explain yourself a little bit 1129 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 3: more like that's really it. 1130 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: When you disagree with the boss, you either learn to 1131 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: live with it or leave. 1132 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 3: You may be a better boss now, but that's not 1133 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,240 Speaker 3: how she runs her company. 1134 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: You chose to leave and you are better for it, 1135 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: so let it go, and that's the end of that story. 1136 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1137 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 3: I think forget about this stuff because it's clearly just 1138 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,280 Speaker 3: a headache and it's not going to be resolved. 1139 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: If someone's ending a conversation with. 1140 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 3: You need serious mental help, then they don't know what 1141 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 3: they're talking about because they have nothing else to say, 1142 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 3: you need serious mental help. That's just like a default lie. 1143 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1144 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So just don't worry about that stuff anymore, or 1145 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 3: like call her or see her in person and talk 1146 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 3: about it in person. But until then, just try to 1147 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 3: hang out. And if people aren't free, then they're not 1148 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 3: free and they don't want to hang on and that's. 1149 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: A big bummer. 1150 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 5: They're not gonna really prioritize me in their life. And 1151 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 5: also they fired me, so maybe we're not that close. 1152 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're not that great d after all. But 1153 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: that's the end of that story. Hey it's Sam. We're 1154 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: gonna get back to the stories. But here's three minutes 1155 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: bads from our sponsors. 1156 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 5: I made my sister cry on her wedding day because 1157 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 5: I'm not following her rules. 1158 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: Oh crimea river. 1159 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 5: About a year ago, my forty one female sister thirty 1160 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 5: three female sent out her safe the dates she was 1161 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 5: getting married, less than a week before my son's eighteenth birthday. 1162 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 5: Since my family is all over the country, my son 1163 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 5: has never had a big birthday celebration. My sister was 1164 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 5: planning a post wedding brunch the day after the ceremony 1165 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 5: or in reception, and I asked if she would be 1166 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 5: okay if we could do something for my son in 1167 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 5: the afternoon, since family will already be gathered for her wedding. 1168 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 5: She loved the idea, and I ran it by my 1169 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 5: son and reminded him he can do something with his 1170 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 5: friends on his actual birthday. Both were happy with the idea. 1171 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 5: I even chose of any away from the hotel we'd 1172 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 5: all be staying at, so my sister wouldn't feel we 1173 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 5: were encroaching on her wedding. By the way, this comes 1174 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 5: from wedding whoopsie. And if you want to spend your 1175 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,760 Speaker 5: own stories, go to the r slash Okay storytime supper 1176 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 5: in it All good, so far, no problems. Six months 1177 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 5: ago the invitations came and I are appede for me 1178 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:01,399 Speaker 5: and my son. 1179 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: Ex husband is not in the picture. 1180 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 3: Meal options were a beef dish or a fish dish. 1181 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 3: I rsvped for two beef dinners. Now on to the 1182 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 3: problem and where I'm being told I'm in the wrong. 1183 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 3: At the reception yesterday, my almost eighteen year old son 1184 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 3: was given a child's meal chicken nuggets and steak fries. 1185 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 3: I told the server there was a mistake and we 1186 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 3: are svped for the beef dish. The server took the 1187 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,959 Speaker 3: plate and brought out a beef dinner two minutes later. 1188 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 3: For clarification, this wasn't a child free wedding and there 1189 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 3: were about five kids that aged four to nine or 1190 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 3: so at the brunch today. My sister pretty much ignored 1191 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 3: me and was really cold when she did talk to me. 1192 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 3: As it was ending, I asked if she was still 1193 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 3: coming to my son's celebration, since she seemed like she 1194 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 3: was mad at me. She pulled out a piece of 1195 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 3: paper and said, maybe I'll come once you pay this. 1196 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 3: The paper was an invoice she made up for seventy 1197 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 3: seven dollars. 1198 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 4: For an extra dinner. 1199 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 5: The steak was seventy seven dollars. 1200 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 3: How it is a weddings, we're having a barbecue at 1201 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 3: my wedding. I was confused and asked her what it 1202 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 3: was about. And apparently my nearly eighteen year old son 1203 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 3: was supposed to get a child's meal and the caterer 1204 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 3: was charging my sister an additional seventy seven dollars and 1205 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 3: that it was my fault tip to provide an additional meal. 1206 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 3: I told her that one I had RSVP'd and chosen 1207 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 3: the adult meal for him months ago, and two he's 1208 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 3: a seventeen year old. How would anyone think a meal 1209 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 3: of four chicken nuggets and a handful of fries would 1210 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 3: be enough for him? It became this big blow up, 1211 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 3: and my sister turned it into people having to take 1212 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 3: sides and surprise, my son's birthday party ended up being 1213 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 3: a disaster that almost no one attended because your sister 1214 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 3: is the bride and she makes the. 1215 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 4: Rules on her day. 1216 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 5: Even our mom skipped it because my sister was inconsolable. 1217 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 5: I still think I'm being perfectly reasonable. 1218 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: Am I really this wrong. 1219 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,360 Speaker 5: About wedding etiquette? Relevant comments partially Star says Nope, you 1220 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 5: didn't break etiquette. Your sister is insane. You are as 1221 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 5: vpeed for beef. He should have gotten beef. No one 1222 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 5: over the age of eleven eats kids meals, and OP 1223 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,960 Speaker 5: says thank you. I feel like once a child is 1224 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 5: a teenager, they graduate to the adult table and meal. Well, honestly, 1225 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 5: I feel like this is the parent's decision. You know, 1226 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,879 Speaker 5: it's a parent child's co decision on what they need 1227 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 5: to eat. And so you know, if you have a 1228 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 5: ten year old who's like, I'm a growing ten year old, 1229 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 5: I need a full meal, then that's the parent's decision 1230 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 5: if they get the kid a full meal. This boy's 1231 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 5: seventeen Global fact seven seven five two. I'm sorry, I 1232 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 5: agree with you. Here's what's on to me. Someone had 1233 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 5: to have given the caterer account of how many adult 1234 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 5: meals and how many children's meals. Nobody in the right 1235 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 5: mind would tell a caterer a child's meal for a 1236 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 5: seventeen year old. My son was man sized at almost eighteen, 1237 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 5: and I'm sure yours is as well. Now on your behalf, 1238 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 5: I would have done the exact same thing. I would 1239 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,240 Speaker 5: have immediately assumed the kitchen that's simply made a mistake. 1240 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 5: Something is rotten in Denmark here because someone had to 1241 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 5: have counted your son as a child, which bizarre. I 1242 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 5: won't even go into the caterer charging that much for 1243 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 5: a plate, just ridiculous. Secondly, it was your sister's choice 1244 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,480 Speaker 5: to get all worked up in mad at her own wedding. 1245 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 5: This is something that could have been easily addressed at 1246 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 5: a later time. I can't see where you did anything wrong, 1247 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 5: But the takeaway from this is somebody turned in one 1248 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 5: adult and one child onto the caterer. No offense, your 1249 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 5: sister sounds like a piece of work, Opie says. But 1250 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,280 Speaker 5: the takeaway from this is somebody turned in one adult 1251 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 5: and one child onto the caterer. Exactly. The RSPP didn't 1252 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 5: go directly to the caterer, so at some point my 1253 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 5: sister decided to give my son a kid's meal. And 1254 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 5: if this was such an issue, why didn't she immediately 1255 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 5: address it with me? Dolphine Darko says, I would love 1256 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 5: to know what the bride's actual attendance was. Did everyone 1257 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 5: actually show up and were they short a beef plate? 1258 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 5: I find that very hard to believe. Please forward these 1259 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 5: responses to your family. They are absolutely crazy to take 1260 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 5: her side, Opie says. The reception was about one hundred 1261 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 5: and eighty people. I do know at least four didn't 1262 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 5: show up since my mom complained about it to me. Sisters, 1263 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 5: coworker's family got the VID. I wonder if they'll get 1264 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 5: invoices too, and there is an update, But like excellent 1265 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 5: question for the caterers four people that at least one 1266 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 5: of them had to have ordered the beef unless they 1267 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 5: all order the fish. But yeah, like, why wasn't one 1268 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 5: of those plates used? This makes no sense. 1269 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: Exactly, And I'm also kind of confused. I don't know 1270 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,440 Speaker 1: if the caterer just seems kind of whacked. 1271 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is just how I interpreted 1272 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 3: it or heard it or something. But like, was the 1273 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 3: bride was given the invoice like in the middle of 1274 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 3: the wedding or was that like was that a later conversation. 1275 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I'm on it. 1276 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 3: When she pulled up the invoice, it sounded like it 1277 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,479 Speaker 3: was just in the middle of the wedding. 1278 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: She's like, this is why I'm not talking to you. 1279 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and do my own wedding thing, 1280 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,959 Speaker 3: you know, and dance around or something. 1281 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 5: Something's fishy about this caterer. But there's an update I 1282 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 5: posted a few days ago. And I'm not sure if 1283 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 5: this sub allows for or welcomes updates. We do them, 1284 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 5: but here it is. It's not good. My post was 1285 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 5: about my sister ordering a children's meal for my seventeen 1286 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 5: year old son at her reception and throwing a fit 1287 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 5: the next day and invoicing me to pay for his 1288 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,800 Speaker 5: extra adult meal that he wasn't supposed to get. Thank 1289 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 5: you all for confirming it was correct that my son 1290 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 5: should have been given the adult meal. 1291 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: We aresv peede with. 1292 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 2: The invoice was given at a brunch the next day, 1293 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 2: so they didn't get the invoice at the actual reception. 1294 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 5: I found out it was all planned, of course, it 1295 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 5: was after my sister agreed for my son davis milestone 1296 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 5: eighteenth birthday celebrated the day after the wedding. Since all 1297 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 5: family would already be there for the wedding, she decided 1298 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 5: she didn't want to share her weekend anymore, which. 1299 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: She could have said. 1300 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 5: She could have said, Hey, you know, I understand why 1301 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 5: you wanted to throw the Sun's birthday party. Don't think 1302 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 5: I want to do it on this weekend. Could have 1303 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 5: said that, yes, she got Friday for the versal and 1304 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 5: versal dinner, Saturday for the ceremony and reception, and apparently 1305 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 5: needed all of Sunday too. Would the reasonable thing be 1306 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 5: to tell me she was no longer comfortable with my 1307 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 5: son's party, Yes, and I would have canceled then postponed it. 1308 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 5: What the reasonable thing to be to manufacture some petty 1309 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 5: beef and turn everyone against me and my son, resulting 1310 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 5: in almost no one's showing up. Apparently, Yes to my 1311 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 5: sister and mother. 1312 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't petty beef because it was seventy seven dollars. 1313 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: It's more than petty. 1314 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 5: It was very expensive beef. Because that makeshift invoice. I 1315 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 5: had another look at it after I posted. Printed on 1316 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 5: an inkjet printer that slightly bleeds red even on black 1317 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 5: and white, just like my mother's old faulty printer, which 1318 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 5: means she printed it before the wedding, so that it 1319 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 5: wasn't the cater's fault. They probably never charged the oh 1320 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 5: B me b. It was actually my son that noticed 1321 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 5: and mentioned it looked like it came from my mom's 1322 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 5: crappy printer. 1323 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm noticing? 1324 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 3: What are you noticing the fact that we have all 1325 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 3: these full episodes for you to listen to with stories 1326 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 3: just like this. Just go to Spotify, Apple Podcast, or 1327 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and search a Pookeast story time Tivity. 1328 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: Final thoughts. 1329 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 3: The way that that like last sentence was, uh, it 1330 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 3: really feel like a Scooby Doo episode over here. 1331 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 5: I mean, did my sister really spend her wedding night 1332 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 5: creating an invoice? Of course, it was already prepared. This 1333 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 5: was all planned. I called my mom and. 1334 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 3: Confronted her yesterday and she just said, it was your 1335 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 3: sister's wedding. All the attention she'd have been on her anyway, 1336 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 3: Why didn't you say that? 1337 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,920 Speaker 1: Now I'm just imagining the wedding night that. The husband 1338 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,520 Speaker 1: is like, babe, come back to bed. She's like, wait, 1339 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 1: I have to finish it. I'm curiously typing this invoice. 1340 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: He goes, oh, babe, are you talking your villain voice again? 1341 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:38,959 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 1342 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:39,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 1343 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 1: She'll never cross me again. Her wedding was on Saturday. 1344 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: She doesn't own. 1345 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 5: Sunday, that's the Lord's Day, doesn't own it. So they 1346 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 5: humiliated my son so she can play princess for an 1347 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 5: extra day. Honestly, things have been bad in the past, 1348 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 5: but for the past five years I thought I was 1349 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 5: really making progress with my mom. But I'm questioning her 1350 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 5: role in my life now more than ever. Even worse, 1351 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 5: my son no longer wants anything to do with both 1352 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 5: of them, and. 1353 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Maybe that's for the best. 1354 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 3: And there are some relevant comments circus slav says, this 1355 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 3: is absolutely wild. I guess I can see wanting all 1356 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 3: the attention on the couple the day of, but the 1357 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 3: fact that she saw celebrating her nephew the day after 1358 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 3: her wedding with all her family around as a burden, 1359 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 3: taking attention away from her own pretty princess special weekend 1360 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 3: instead of being overjoyed to share a fun, happy milestone 1361 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 3: with him is gross. Oh P says that's the thing 1362 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 3: that bothers me. At any point, she could have said, 1363 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 3: I thought about it some more and I really want 1364 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 3: the attention of the weekend to be on me. I 1365 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 3: would have been annoyed but canceled the birthday party, But 1366 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 3: to not say anything and cause this blow up is 1367 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 3: really out of this world, okay, Cryptographers. 1368 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Thirteen oh two. 1369 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 5: Can I see being slightly annoyed at a nephew's b 1370 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 5: day party the day after the wedding? Maybe, but I'm 1371 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 5: absolutely passing away that she had him served a kid's portion, 1372 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 5: like he isn't eating more than most adults at almost eighteen. 1373 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 5: I mean, just every step of her plot makes no sense. 1374 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 5: Opie says, I totally get it. When I first approached 1375 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,280 Speaker 5: her about it, it was only because it's a milestone birthday, 1376 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 5: and my extended family is spread throughout the country, so 1377 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 5: it meant everyone who came to the wedding could also 1378 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 5: celebrate my son's birthday. I even booked an entirely different 1379 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 5: venue so she wouldn't feel encroached on. If she or 1380 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 5: even my son wasn't okay with it, I wouldn't oppressed 1381 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 5: the issue at all. I legitimately thought she was happy 1382 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 5: with extending the festivities. Well she's legitimately kind of crazy. 1383 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 5: So that's the end of the story. 1384 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 3: But wow, wow, I don't understand. 1385 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah really just stated in a whole coup. Oh that 1386 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: was so wild. But that's the end of that story, folks.