1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Oh Danibo addition, as I 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: go one on one with the Bengals new offensive coordinator 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Dan Pitcher. 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That original document, now 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three years old, still exists and 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: I saw it this week. Doctor Nasmith eventually became the 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: first head coach at the University of Kansas, and when 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: his family auctioned off the original rules several years ago, 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: a wealthy Kansas alum purchased them for more than four 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: million dollars so that they could be permanently displayed at KU. 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Think about it, There's nothing else like it in sports. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Nobody scribbled down the original rules of football or golf, 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: for baseball, or any of the other major sports, so 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: it was really cool to see. If you would like 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: to learn more, check out the ESPN thirty for thirty 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: documentary called There's No Place Like Home. Now let's get 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: to the Bengals new offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher. The job 32 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: became open when Brian Callahan was named the new head 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: coach of the Tennessee Titans. A couple of hours before 34 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Brian spoke to the media in Nashville on Thursday, Zach 35 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Taylor was asked how proud he was of his friend 36 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: and colleague. 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: That's hard to describe. You know, how much he's meant 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: to me, how much he meant to pitch this organization 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: for all these guys. It's it's hard when you work 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: side by side, you know, with the guy for five years. 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: And like Pitch said that the the lows to the highs, 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: trying to problem solve through unsolvable problems, it felt like 43 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: sometimes and he was as steady as they come. And 44 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: and so Tennessee got a good one. And it's the 45 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: right place. It's the right opportunity for him. I hate 46 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: that it's in the conference. I hate that we play 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: him next year. I kind of like that we play 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: him next year. Uh, there's we'll see where it poppsed 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: up on the schedule. But you know, just really really 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: happy for him and Allison and and it's you know, 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: he's waited a long time for that opportunity. He's been 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: prepared for a long time for that opportunity. I think 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 2: the right place came calling for him. And I'm really 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: happy the way it felt out. I know it felt 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: right for him. And and we'll hear more, you know, 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: one what he says in his press conferences. We'll be 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: watching anxiously to see him on that stage, but really 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: really happy that it worked out for him. 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: And when they watched Brian's introductory news conference, they saw 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: him get very emotional when he described his five years 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: I would like to thank the Cincinnati Bengals organization, Mike Brown, 63 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: who was one of probably one of the greatest men 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: that I've ever met. I'll get it together in a second, 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: No worry. Katy and Troy Blackburn, their daughters, Elizabeth, the Caroline, 66 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: and Duke Tobin and his staff. They gave me an 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: incredible opportunity to grow, and they're patient and they invested 68 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: in me, and I'll forever be grateful for that. The 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: next one you can see how much these people mean 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: to me. 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: I'll get it together. 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: And then, probably most importantly, Zach Taylor. He's a great friend, 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: He's been an incredible mentor, and he's a fantastic football coach. 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: Thank you for everything, all right, thank you to the 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: players and the coaching staff. Obviously, without an incredible amount 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: of hard work, I don't get to stand here. And 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that go into that staff, players, 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: particularly the quarterback room, Joe Burrow, Jake Browning, those guys 79 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: are I'm incredibly indebted to. I wish I could list 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: the whole team, but I can't. We'll be here too long. 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 3: You guys would get bored. But I loved working with 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: those players every day. There's something special about where I 83 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: came from that I hope to replicate here. I think 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: you can see it and how I feel when I 85 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: speak about it. But I love going to work every 86 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: single day there. And that's the environment we're going to 87 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: create here. I want a place where people love coming 88 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: to work, they enjoy every they're around, and that creates 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: an environment that sustainable and you can have sustained excellence 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: and have a chance to win a lot of football games. 91 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: And so that's what we're after. 92 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: Brian was later asked what he learned from working with 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: The greatest thing about Zach for me and my experience 95 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: in Cincinnati was he was an open book, and so 96 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: I was involved in a lot of the things that 97 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: came across his desk, a lot of conversations, very involved 98 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: in the scouting process in Cincinnati as a lot of 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: you know, and so just seeing all of those processes 100 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: work over five years, seeing the pitfalls and problems where 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: the land mines can be. His allowing me that access 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: to those conversations has been huge. And I walk into 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: this role today and I'm sure there'll be plenty of surprises, 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: but I feel very confident that I'm prepared for it. 105 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: And it's because of his his allowance and access to 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: what occurred on a daily basis, and he would often 107 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: come by and say, hey, this, you should think about 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: this for a second, then to write this down when 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: you're doing this, here's how you should handle it. So 110 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: just incredible, incredible investment in me to help me grow 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: on that. And again, I feel because of all those experiences, 112 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: I'm kind of uniquely positioned for my first time doing this. 113 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: I feel really good about it. 114 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I don't know anybody who 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: knows Brian Callahan that doesn't like and respect him. He's smart, friendly, funny, and, 116 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, normal, which isn't always 117 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: the case among football coaches. He'll be missed in Cincinnati, 118 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: but it's impossible not to be thrilled for him, and 119 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: fortunately the Bengals had a great replacement waiting in the 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: wings in quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher. The Patriots, Raiders, and 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: Saints reached out to Dan about their offensive coordinator openings, 122 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: but being the OC of an offense with Joe burrowod 123 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: quarterback is hard to pass up a. 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: Lot of people in this profession that I respect, who 125 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 4: have great perspective, who have reached out to me almost 126 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 4: to a person, you know. Their advice is, when you 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: have an elite quarterback, you hang on as long as 128 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: you can. And we have that here. And not only 129 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: is he an elite player, but you know, I've gotten 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: to know him so well as a person. He's a 131 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: special person. He's different. They don't make many like him. 132 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: And to get to continue working with him day in 133 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: and day out, knowing that we have a guy that 134 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: can win us a world championship, it's hard to put 135 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: a price on that. 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: By now, you've probably either watched Dan Pitcher's news conference 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: online or read one of the many stories written after 138 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: that news conference. When I sat down with Dan later 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: in the day, I was aiming for something a little different, 140 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: a more personal look at how he landed one of 141 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: only thirty two offensive coordinator jobs in the NFL. As 142 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: hard as you've worked for it is a little bit 143 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: mind boggling to have one of these jobs. I don't 144 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: mind boggling is the word. 145 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: It's it's definitely an opportunity to just kind of take 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: a look at your career and all the stops up 147 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: at this point and all the people that have helped 148 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: you get here. Really, I think that's probably the the 149 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: best part of this for me, is just you know, 150 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: all the people that have reached out and getting a 151 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: chance to thank them, because we're all products of people 152 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: that have helped us along the way. And I've earned 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: this and I know that, and I'm very proud of that. 154 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: But there's no way I did it by myself. 155 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: I found an old quote from your mom. She said, 156 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: I remember Dan at a young age sitting at the 157 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: coffee table in the living room drawing plays, the x's 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: and o's on paper. Do you remember doing that? 159 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: I don't. 160 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 4: I don't remember drawing plays. I do remember having like 161 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: a weird obsession with when the Super Bowl would come along, 162 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: or March Manas or whatever. My mom would buy me 163 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 4: these poster boards and I would I would color the 164 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: whole field in and I would I would make the 165 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: players and I would arrange them informations. And it's that 166 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: that may be what she's remembering, but I mean, like, listen, 167 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 4: this is I've loved this game for as long as 168 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: I can remember, and the fact that I've got got 169 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: to make it my profession and have gotten to this 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: level with this opportunity in front of me. Is it's 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 4: very special. 172 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: Did you always have an interest in how and why 173 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: plays worked? Oh? 174 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, big time. That's you know, it's the curiosity of that, 175 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 4: you know, that's when I sit in here and study 176 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: for days on end in the off season, or when 177 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: I'm getting when I'm game planning and I'm pouring over tape. 178 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: And I love that part of it, I really do. 179 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: You know, It's it's a passion of mine and just 180 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: exploring those very questions, you know, how and why and 181 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: then can we do this or not? Do we have 182 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: the right people for it? Are we're playing the right 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: playing against the right scheme? You know all those things. 184 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: That's that's a major part of what I love about 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: this job. 186 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: You are a highly successful quarterback at the Division III 187 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: level at Cortland State, reigning national champs by the way, 188 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: congratulations for that, But you weren't an overnight success. How 189 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: long were you in college? 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 4: Well, not as long as some of the guys these 191 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: days with COVID years and multiple transfers, but it was 192 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 4: a long time. So I graduated high school in two 193 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: thousand and five. I spent two plus years at Colgate. 194 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: I sat out a season. I had a medical red shirt. 195 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: From that time I went to Courtland, I had another 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 4: medical red shirt. I petitioned for some more time, and 197 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: I think I ultimately reported to seven training camps and 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: played six seasons. So it was a long time. I 199 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: believe I've caught the brunt of many jokes. 200 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: A long years. What were the injuries that you dealt with? 201 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 4: I had a shoulder labor and repair and torn achilles. 202 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: So after you graduated, I read that you wrote letters 203 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: to NFL coaches in college coaches seeking an entry level opportunity. 204 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Roughly how many and did anybody get back to you? 205 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm going to give Paul Alexander a lot 206 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: of credit here and when I talk about people that 207 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: helped me get to where I am, you know, Paul 208 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: just out of the goodness of his heart, decided to 209 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 4: take me under his wing when I'm twenty one years 210 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: old and now he made me do some manual labor 211 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: for it at his at his summerhouse it's on Skinny 212 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: Alas Lake. But in the process he he really guided me. 213 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 4: And one of the things he suggested was Hey, listen, 214 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: sit down. I want you to handwrite a letter to 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 4: the head coach of every NFL team and every Power 216 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: five college conference and tell him who you are, tell 217 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 4: him what you're about, tell him what you'd like to do, 218 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: and see if it leads anywhere. And so I did. 219 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 4: I wrote one or two a day, and you know, 220 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: I probably have Carpel tunnel syndrome from that experience, but 221 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: I did. I got some back, you know, there were some. 222 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: I got a couple of handwritten responses. I got some. 223 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 4: You know. It led to ultimately a couple of chances 224 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: to go interview for graduate assistant ships and what could 225 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: have opened some doors. And ultimately, you know, one of 226 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: those letters I wrote was to Ryan Grigson, who's the 227 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: new GM of Indianapolis Colts. Got to meet him in 228 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 4: person and and that was my start. 229 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: So for those who don't know, Paul Alexander is the 230 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: former Bengals offensive line coach and like you, he went 231 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: to Courtland State. Was he taking care of another red 232 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: dragon or do you think you impressed him in some 233 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: way when you first. 234 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: Met I think he asked about those questions, you know, 235 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: I think he saw an opportunity to pay it forward 236 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 4: with the position that he had worked himself to. And 237 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: as with anything in life, it's about who you know, 238 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: but it's about making the right impression on who you 239 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: know and who you meet. And I think he was 240 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 4: impressed with me, and he knew that if he, you know, 241 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 4: if he stamped me and and put his name on 242 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: me to people that could potentially give me opportunities, that 243 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to disappoint him. And so I think 244 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 4: I've on that and I'm forever grateful. 245 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: We're visiting with Dan Pitcher, the Bengals new offensive coordinator. 246 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: So you take a job with the Colts as a 247 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: scouting assistant under Ryan Griggs, and you mentioned him their 248 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: GM at the time. What does an entry level scouting 249 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: assistant fresh out of college. 250 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: Do anything he gets told to do. He picks up 251 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 4: guys from the airport for workouts at midnight, He carts 252 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 4: him around town to doctor's appointments. He locks himself in 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: a closet with a film system and breaks down college 254 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: players and puts together what we used to call profile tapes, 255 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: which is something that all these services that we now 256 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: subscribe to do for you. But that was before those 257 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: the days of those services. You really just immerse yourself 258 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: in the world of football, and you do it at 259 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: a level where there's no job too small. And my 260 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: mentality when I took that job was to go into 261 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 4: that building, put my head down, speak when spoken to 262 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: for two years and proved everyone that I was about 263 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: the right stuff and trust that when I picked my 264 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: head up after that, you know, people would be invested 265 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: in my success and be willing to open doors for me. 266 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened. 267 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm guessing you were not getting rich. 268 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no. My my wife, who 269 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: was by then fiance, had moved out to she had 270 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: finished school, so I was out there by myself for 271 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: a year and then she moved out and she was 272 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: nannying for a couple families and let's just say she 273 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: was the bread winner. 274 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, missus Pitcher for helping make this happen. So 275 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: you were hired by the Colts right when they drafted 276 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. Were you stunned when he retired at twenty nine? 277 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure. You know, it's been a long time since 278 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: I've talked to Andrew. Andrew it was always amazing to me. 279 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: He's a great person, He treated people the right way. 280 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: It was so fun to watch him lead in his 281 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: own way and just how authentic it was and how 282 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: great he was at his job. And you know, and 283 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: unfortunately for him, I think just the injuries and and 284 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: everything kind of piled up, and you know, it probably 285 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: cut his career short. But you know, at the end 286 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: of the day, and again, having not spoken to him 287 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: in a really long time, I'd be willing to bet 288 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: that he's very happy and fulfilled doing whatever it is 289 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 4: he's doing right now, because I know that's the kind 290 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: of person he is. And but yeah, I mean, you 291 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: talk about stepping into the NFL and your first experience 292 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: is getting to watch him every day. That was pretty cool. 293 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Does his story and that cautionary tale have any impact 294 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: on your desire to try to protect Joe Burrow as 295 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: much as any coach possibly can. 296 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: I mean sure, you know, I think for me when 297 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: I sit down and you know it's been talked about, well, 298 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 4: you know, I've done their downs and and I've you know, 299 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: had influence in other areas as well. But when you're 300 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: talking about the passing game, the first, the very first 301 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: thing that I always start with is how do we 302 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: not get the quarterback hit. That's just philosophically what I 303 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: believe in, and that can take on a variety of 304 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: different things. Some weeks, that might mean getting empty and 305 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: spread them all out and let them see it and 306 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: just find quick answers and they can never hit him 307 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: because they can't get to him in time. Some weeks 308 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: that might mean seven or eight man protection based on 309 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: the defensive looks that we're getting and the personnel that 310 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: we're facing. So that doesn't that philosophy doesn't tie me 311 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: to a specific schematic approach, but it is a foundation 312 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: for how I look at things. And keeping the quarterback 313 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: clean is everybody's job, including the quarterback, and it's about 314 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 4: playing on time. It's about putting the things in place 315 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: to be able to distribute the ball before the rush 316 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: can get there, and then drilling and working on things 317 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: that let you elude the rush when it does come, 318 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 4: because it always it's gonna come. You watch every obviously 319 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: in one of these games, and I mean, those guys 320 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: a getting paid a lot of money to get after 321 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: the quarterbacks. So but yeah, that's a central component to 322 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 4: how I think about offensive football. 323 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: Your first years, the quarterbacks coach was Joe's first year 324 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: as the Bengals quarterback. I'm going to ask you to 325 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: be immodest here. How do you think you've helped Joe Burrow? 326 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 4: Well, I think Joe and I are able to relate 327 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: to one another. I think we share some personality traits. 328 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: Unfortunately for me, I don't share any of the elite, 329 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: world class skill that he has, but I think we 330 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: look at things similarly, and so for that reason, I 331 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: think he's respected my opinion on things from a very 332 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 4: really from the start, and so it's allowed us to 333 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: have some i think, really kind of truthful conversations about 334 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: hard topics at times, and I think he respects where 335 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: I'm coming from on those. He will seek out my 336 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 4: opinion when it comes to things like that, and I 337 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: think it's helped him get to where he is today. 338 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 4: You know, now, again, he deserves the line's share of 339 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 4: the credit because he's the guy doing it, but everybody 340 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: needs people around him to help put him in a 341 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: spot to succeed. And I'm proud of the part that 342 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 4: I've played in that, and now I'm excited that I 343 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: get to play an even bigger part moving forward. 344 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: In year two. Working together the Bengals go to the 345 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You are about to be a dad for 346 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the first time. I think your son was born about 347 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: ten days after that Super Bowl. What are your most 348 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: vivid memories of Super Bowl fifty six. 349 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 4: Well, I mean just the whole process, everything leading up 350 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: to that, you know that, you know, month to whatever 351 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: it was, six weeks and just kind of groundbreaking win 352 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: after groundbreaking win, and the just elation that came with 353 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: each of those, and the feelings that you have in 354 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 4: the locker of a room, and you know, just the 355 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: fulfillment that comes from that. The super Bowl experience in 356 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 4: and of itself really, you know, to me, I tried 357 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: to make it as normal a week as I could 358 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 4: make it. I wanted it to feel like my normal 359 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 4: prep leading up into the game. And I think I 360 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 4: did a pretty good job of that. And and we 361 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: I mean, shoot, it just felt like we were going 362 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 4: to win another game. It really did, all the way 363 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: all the way through, you know, and and it really 364 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 4: the pain of the outcome is there and will always 365 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 4: be there, you know. I just remember waking up the 366 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: next morning and you have that brief moment where you 367 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: start to get yourself together and remember what the heck, 368 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: just happened, and and it just it just sits in 369 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: your stomach, and it sits for a long long time. 370 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: But it doesn't it doesn't take away the joy they 371 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: came with that. And what it does do is absolutely 372 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 4: fuel the fire to get back and not wake up 373 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: with that pit in your stomach the next time, but 374 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 4: to be parted in for a month straight. 375 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: It's been well documented that at this time last year 376 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: you turned out an opportunity to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 377 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Why did you stay for this? 378 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 4: You know, for this opportunity here? So much had gone 379 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: into just the equity that I think built up in 380 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: this building with these people, with mister Brown and the 381 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 4: Brown and Blackburn families and Zach and Duke and all 382 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 4: the you know, the person the guys in personnel and 383 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 4: the coach. I mean, it's just like it just felt like, 384 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, this is an enticing opportunity, but it's 385 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: the timing is not right, and you're gut If you 386 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: just be patient and you just trust in yourself and 387 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 4: the organization, this opportunity that you're sitting here interviewing me 388 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 4: about is gonna is gonna come to fruition and sure. 389 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 4: Were there moments where you think, like, oh man, maybe 390 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: it won't. Yeah, but that's okay. Like I knew that 391 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 4: when I when I decided what I decided, and I 392 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: was okay with that, and I'm just I'm really happy 393 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: that it's worked out. 394 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: If Brian Callahan did not get an NFL head coaching 395 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: job this year, would you have taken an offensive coordinator 396 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: opportunity somewhere else? 397 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: I think at some point, if you're serious about growing 398 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: in your profession, there there there becomes a point where 399 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: you're you're left with no other choice. Would that have 400 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 4: been this year? Maybe again, depending on situation. Uh, but 401 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 4: it's fun that that will forever be hypothetical and and 402 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: not something I actually had to decide. 403 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: We're visiting with Dan Pitcher. Brian interviewed for just about 404 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: every NFL head coaching opportunity that was out there before 405 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: he was hired by the Titan, and many teams that 406 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: had offensive coordinator opportunities reached out to you. How much 407 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: do you think that your success, the team success with 408 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: Jake Browning this year and what he showed late in 409 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: the season, had to do with all of the interest 410 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: that you and Brian received. 411 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: I think it was a big deal. I think anytime 412 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: you have an elite player at the quarterback position, sometimes 413 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that maybe it gets enough acknowledgment 414 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 4: or respect that the things you have to put around 415 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: that player still for him to have the success that 416 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 4: he has. But certainly when that player is removed and 417 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 4: you demonstrate that you're able to still have success with 418 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: the number two guy, I think that's a big deal. 419 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: Because we all know that injuries are a certainty. It's 420 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: not a matter of if but when, and you do 421 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 4: everything in your power to avoid them, but when they 422 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: do happen, you have to be able to adjust. That's 423 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 4: what we get to do. It's not you can't just 424 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 4: throw a towel in and say, Okay, try again next year. 425 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: And we did that, and Jake deserves a ton of 426 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 4: credit because we did put great plans around him. But 427 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 4: I always say it, and I mean it truly, like 428 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 4: there's one guy that catches the ball, and there's one 429 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: guy that makes the decisions, there's one guy that makes 430 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 4: the throws, and Jake did a great, great job, and 431 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: so I do think that mattered. I think that showed 432 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 4: people that we have a good system we have the 433 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 4: ability to adapt and we can take whatever's given to 434 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: us and go be successful. 435 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: Well, the Bengals offense looked different next year, and do 436 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: you want it to look different? 437 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: I think every year brings with it opportunity to grow. 438 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 4: That's been my experience every year i've been here. You 439 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: look at number one, It all starts with who are 440 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: your players? Like that's to me. I don't think you 441 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: have the luxury at this level of just saying this 442 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: is what we do and stop it. You have to 443 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: have an identity, no doubt, but you also have to 444 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 4: be able to adapt, and those adaptations are based on 445 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: who you have playing football for you. And so that's 446 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 4: what the next couple months is about, is building the 447 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 4: roster for the twenty twenty four Bengals. And once we 448 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 4: get all those things in place, we obviously have ideas 449 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: of what we want to be able to do as 450 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 4: an offense. And then once that roster it becomes solidified, 451 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 4: you may start to lean in one direction or another. 452 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 4: So I can't say with any specificity what those changes 453 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: may be, if there will be changes, I just know 454 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: that our process is one that is open minded and 455 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: is willing to pivot and go in whatever direction we 456 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: feel like we need to go to win football games. 457 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: There are three games left in the season, the championship 458 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: games this weekend, the Super Bowl after that. Do you 459 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: watch those games like the rest of us or are 460 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: you studying? Man, that's something that we can do offensively 461 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: next year and beyond. 462 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: When I watch them on the couch, I'm more like 463 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 4: the rest of us because I love the game, you know, 464 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: and probably to a degree that my wife would would 465 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 4: argue is unhealthy, But that's I lean into it. So 466 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: I love football. I love watching it. Now as I'm 467 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 4: watching it, do I see things that I mean, sure, 468 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: I'm not above writing a little reminder in my phone 469 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: if I see a play that popped up or something 470 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 4: that happened, and and then I'll go back to it, 471 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: you know, when I get into my office and I 472 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 4: study it. So the answer to your question is yes 473 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: to both. In the moment, I'm enjoying it. And then, 474 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 4: you know, as much as someone who desperately would like 475 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 4: to be in that situation can enjoy something like that, 476 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: because it's a reminder that you're watching it on the 477 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 4: couch and you're not there, and we've been there. I mean, 478 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 4: let's be honest, we're having this conversation right now at 479 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 4: a time in the last two seasons where we'd have 480 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 4: been getting ready to go out on practice field right now, 481 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: and that stings. But it's also good that it stings, 482 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 4: because we know what we're capable of and we'll do 483 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: everything in our power to get back there. 484 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: Last thing for Dan Pitcher, Brian Callahan, ascend it to 485 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: a head coaching position from the job that you have now. 486 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: I assume that that is the goal for you. Have 487 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: you already started planning for the day that you will 488 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: be an NFL head coach. 489 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: I think the best way to put myself in position 490 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 4: to ultimately have that opportunity is to be the absolute 491 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 4: best offensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals that I can be. 492 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of carryover when it comes 493 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: to this job and that job, and I would be 494 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 4: foolish if every ounce of my effort wasn't going into 495 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: this current role. And I think if I do that 496 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: and I do this job well, those other things will 497 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 4: take care of themselves. And so I come in here 498 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: with a clear mind and that approach, and man, I'm 499 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 4: just I'm really, really excited that I get to do it. 500 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: This is a well deserved opportunity. We're really excited for you. 501 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today and best of what going forward. 502 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, that's going to do it for this episode 503 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: of the Bengals Booth Podcast brought to you by pay Core, 504 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: Proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider, by 505 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Alta Fiber, future proof fiber Internet designed elevate your home, 506 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: business and community to a new level, and by Kettering 507 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Health the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health 508 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. 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