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Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes

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Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants

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Speaker 2: of the Old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He

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Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the

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Speaker 2: rich pill poppers in the penthouse. Wow, it's the clearing

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Speaker 2: house of hot takes. Break free for something special. The

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Speaker 2: Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now.

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Speaker 3: In the air eywhere, and a very good Friday to you.

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Speaker 3: It is as you know, it's Black Friday, and the

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Speaker 3: normally good podcast hosts would not do a podcast on

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Speaker 3: Black Friday or this weekend. But hey, I love the

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Speaker 3: sound of my own voice, and I know there are

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Speaker 3: people that are looking for content because there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of really bad content this weekend. So tadda. Here we

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Speaker 3: are the Friday edition of The Fifth Hour. Happy Black Friday.

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Speaker 3: There is an NFL game later today, the Raiders and

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Speaker 3: the Cans City Chiefs at my holy Land Arrowhead Stadium

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Speaker 3: in Kansas City. So I thought we would do something

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Speaker 3: a little different here and we would go into the

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association. I hear the sound I

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Speaker 3: recognize right there now, a new member, one of our

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Speaker 3: new I will soon be a member of this I'm

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Speaker 3: sure at some point the Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association.

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Speaker 3: You know him, you love him, maybe I hate him,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But he's back. Ryan Finley. There he is. Look Ryan Finley. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I never thought you'd have me on your podcast, Ben

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Speaker 4: never thought, but I guess it took an iHeartMedia layoff

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Speaker 4: you're part of the club, Brian. You weren't really part

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Speaker 4: of the club. I tried, that's trew. I explained to you.

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Speaker 3: I've been fired many times in radio and been laid

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Speaker 3: until that is, so now welcome.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're bar mitzvah. You're part of the You're.

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Speaker 3: Part of the group now and that and ferg Dog

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Speaker 3: But no, in all seriousness, but I know I was

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Speaker 3: very bummed out, obviously with Eddie and you and several

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Speaker 3: since all this went down back, you know, not that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, things are going pretty well. I got the phone

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Speaker 4: and it felt like I just nailed the week out,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know it. You didn't think you were getting

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Speaker 4: You didn't believe, no, Well, I honestly what I thought

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Speaker 5: But it's life.

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Speaker 4: It happens, and I will always cherish my time with you.

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Speaker 3: But I I did not obviously, I get let go

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Speaker 3: Your passion, right you You were your mentor, one of

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Speaker 4: This is twenty eighteen, and I was so distraught about

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Speaker 4: the most exciting thing for me is covering so many

440
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 4: high school football and basketball games in that area and

441
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 4: seeing so many of those players go on to the

442
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 4: NBA and go on to the NFL and still maintain

443
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 4: relationships with with those guys. That that to me was

444
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 4: really cool. Yeah, that's awesome, that's great.

445
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 3: Although the landscape has certainly changed now these high school

446
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: guys are getting nil.

447
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: Money now it's ooh, wacky, man, it's wacky.

448
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: And I supported I did support the players getting paid everything.

449
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: But as in with everything in life, Brian, you.

450
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: Know, it's it gets a little extreme, right everything, you know, Yeah,

451
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 3: taken to the next level. But so you're Syria in Memphis,

452
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: and then you end up what next stop back in

453
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: southern California after that.

454
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So twenty seventeen, I my mom, My mom had

455
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 4: gotten remarried. I mentioned that at twenty seventeen, and that

456
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: was the first time where I had made a move.

457
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 4: I wanted to get back to California. That was the

458
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: first time I made a move and I had absolutely nothing,

459
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 4: And so I got back at the beginning of the

460
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 4: summer and sort of spent that whole summer looking for

461
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 4: anything and basically, and we talked about it earlier, the rejection,

462
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: the rejection, the rejection, the rejection. I would go up

463
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: to la maybe have a coffee with a couple of

464
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 4: people and just you know, it's important to network and

465
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 4: get to know people.

466
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: So I started to do that.

467
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 4: But it was getting towards the end of the year

468
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 4: or end of the summer, and we're getting close to

469
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: college football and I'm like, oh, I don't know what

470
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do. You know, we're getting up against it.

471
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 4: And that is where kind of when I one of

472
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 4: the lower moments. There's many of them, but again it's

473
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 4: a constant and Ben, you would attest to this too,

474
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 4: and many in this industry about persistence because there are gaps,

475
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: or there are ebbs and highs and lows. I guess

476
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 4: I should say so. In twenty seventeen, I finally got

477
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: an opportunity with UCLA. I guess somehow they saw my work.

478
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 4: I had worked with lear Field at in Memphis when

479
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 4: Tubby Smith was the head basketball coach before Penny hard

480
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: Away in Memphis. They did they did like a TV

481
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 4: coaches show, and they used our studio and I'd fill

482
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 4: in in Memphis, and I did a couple of shows

483
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: with with Tubby Smith, doing the weekly Tubby Smith Show

484
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 4: as they would call it. And anyway, under lear Field

485
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 4: and UCLA at the time was under lear Field and

486
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 4: they had an opportunity that was opened for a coaches show.

487
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: So I finally, you know, by the grace of the

488
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: higher power or whatever you want to call it, I

489
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: got a nice email from a gentleman who wanted to

490
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: speak with me, and then I went up to the

491
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: university and met with a lot of the athletic personnel there,

492
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 4: those who are in those.

493
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 5: Positions of power.

494
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: And that was my foot into the door in la

495
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: and sort of from there I've kind of just slowly

496
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 4: but surely chiseled a little bit of a bigger imprint

497
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 4: in the market. And not to say, men, it happened overnight,

498
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: my goodness, not to say that at all. And it's

499
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 4: just a lot of literal blood, sweat and tears. But

500
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: when you love what you do, you'll do just about

501
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: anything for it and get your mind out of the

502
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: gutter there, Ben, But.

503
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: Oh I I'd never go go blue.

504
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 1: I would never never said I gotta tell your mom's

505
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: a cool woman.

506
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 3: As you thank you, you know, because of some of

507
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: the p ones like Justin and Cincinnati and somebody like you.

508
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: Your mom was in was in Playboy? Well she was, Yeah,

509
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: no she was.

510
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: I mean they of course justin immediately within like five

511
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: minutes found the issue of Playboy.

512
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Your mom. But your mom was a good sport.

513
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: I met her at your It wasn't your wedding, but

514
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: it was like a wedding event that you had. And yes,

515
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: right over the ocean there most of Wortune right there

516
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: in San Diego. Just just wonderful event. And she was

517
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: very nice and I met some of your friends and whatnot,

518
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: and that was that.

519
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Was a cool night.

520
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: I mean, we had many battles, Brian, and I enjoyed

521
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: them on the on the radio.

522
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: I give you a few nicknames. You were how many

523
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 1: a couple of years? How many? I don't know how

524
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: long you were there. It's how many years? Can you

525
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: believe this? Ben?

526
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: I was there for six years as no way.

527
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, it just so quick, that's wild.

528
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 5: The end of twenty eighteen is when I started.

529
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no concept of time, Brian, I really don't.

530
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't believe I've been there as long

531
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: as I've been there, Everything's turned over, Management's turned over,

532
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: every single person, the building's turned over, and it's like

533
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm stuck in some kind of time warp where I'm

534
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: still there, which I don't know if that's good or bad.

535
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: That might not be good, that might be bad.

536
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: I think it's a good thing.

537
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: But we gave you, We gave you a lot of nicknames.

538
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: Now I want to know since this is you know,

539
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: your appearance on the fifth hour, and I know you're

540
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: a mentor to Poppy in San Diego.

541
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we go. We're We're tight. Yeah,

542
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 5: no doubt you've.

543
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: You've got ferg Dog on your team and all that,

544
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: and Fergie right now, this is orgasmic.

545
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, listening to this.

546
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: For well, he called Ben Ben.

547
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: I hate to interrupt you, but he called in to

548
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 4: postgame Bruins talk last Saturday. And when he called in

549
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: after the football game where you see it lost against

550
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: USC the first thing he brought up was you. So

551
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 4: you made an appearance.

552
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: That's just what the Bruin fans want to hear.

553
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, which, which.

554
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: Which tipped me off, been to say, I doubt Fergie

555
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 4: watched one second of that game.

556
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: No, probably not probably not. Yeah, well point out though. Now.

557
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: I did bruin talk a generation ago, and I my

558
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: one of my top ten moments in broadcasting, not for

559
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: a good thing but for a bad thing was the

560
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: Fateful Day. It was a Saturday afternoon. UCLA was playing

561
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Miami Bob Toledo.

562
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 5: They oh, don't you dare go there?

563
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: Well no, I did the ridiculous outcome there, like the

564
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: FBI investigated it, and I'm doing bruin talk after the game.

565
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: They were up seventeen points in the third quarter, they

566
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: win the game. They're going whatever they called the champion

567
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: on the playoff at that time, it was only coming Yeah, the.

568
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: FCS orby FBS, Yeah.

569
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: Whatever it was.

570
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: They were going to get in and then a guy

571
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: named Edrin James ran through them. But I was doing

572
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: bruin talk because they had laid off Joe McDonald and

573
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: right BEFO for that.

574
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: Actually that's why I was doing that.

575
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: But I still remember that I did some bruin basketball

576
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: post game, not too many of those, but I recall

577
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: I'm doing that. But I wanted to ask you when

578
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: I did Dodger Talk, and I also did Red Sox Review,

579
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: which is the Red Sox.

580
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, how that happened.

581
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: But the Red Sox post game, which is a whole

582
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: different can of worms. But one thing I've noticed everywhere

583
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: I've done the post game, when the team wins, the.

584
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Call load is light. When the.

585
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: Call load is fire, the coach players blow, you know,

586
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: we suck?

587
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: You know?

588
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: To me, it was always Is it still that way, Brian?

589
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: When you're doing the postgame show and the team's playing well,

590
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 3: it's a little lighter. But when they lose, people are

591
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: up in arms? Is that still the way to it

592
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: is been?

593
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 4: And I go back to something that you're notorious for saying,

594
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: the best story is in the losing locker room. And

595
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 4: I think that goes off of what the callers think

596
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 4: because I think that's where you get the most entergy, tainting,

597
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: the most energy field calls. Where there was one loss

598
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: this season where this dude calls in and I kid

599
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: you not, he is asking for a new head coach

600
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: at u c l A with with regards to their

601
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: football team, and he's throwing out names like, well, why

602
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: isn't Bill Belichick?

603
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: Carroll? I'm like, are you serious?

604
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Are you high? But Nick Shaban? Can we get Nick? Yeah?

605
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 5: Exactly like what are we doing here?

606
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 4: So no, I mean it is It makes for very

607
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: entertaining talk radio, especially when you lose to USC when

608
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 4: the Bruins should have won that game. But yeah, tons

609
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: of callers and we listen to them all. We don't discriminate.

610
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: You gotta finish the game, man, you gotta finish the game.

611
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: I remember I did Dodger Talk and I started it

612
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: was Ross Porter wife Paul Trivia. Yeah, uh, Ross was

613
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: was was a peach.

614
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: We had certain people that call and the Dodgers weren't

615
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: mediocre in those days. So now they win a You know,

616
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: I know you Padre fans, tough for you to deal

617
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: with that, but well.

618
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: You guys finally got that pivotal World Series, the official

619
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: ring first one before I was born nineteen eighty eight, eight

620
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: right before I was born.

621
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty, the hardest World Series of all time, during

622
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: a global pandemic. The Dodgers won the World Series and

623
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: that's much harder than beating the Yankees in the World Series.

624
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: And it's to know that even old Padres want to

625
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: play for the Dodgers, like that loser Blake Snell, who's

626
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: now a Dodger.

627
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: So that coming out.

628
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: It's funny how you bring that up about the Dodgers

629
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. But if the Clippers won the title

630
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty in the bubble, unlike the Lakers, you

631
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: would have said that was the hardest. But you continue

632
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: to discount the Lakers winning time.

633
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: You're doing what about ism, and you're doing what. I

634
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: don't believe in what about ism. I'm not doing that.

635
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: I live in reality and okay I do wrong. So

636
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: of the nicknames, no, let me give you the nickname

637
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: run down here, Brian. I want to know which one

638
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: do you like the most, because I have my favorite.

639
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: So I gave you a lot nicknames out. I didn't

640
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: realize it was six years. So the the Brian Finley

641
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: nickname rundown I got. I did this with Eddie too,

642
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: because I mean, I can't here, I can't on tape now,

643
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: so I can't really do a nickname for a guy

644
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: on tape.

645
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: But I have. I called you what Goldielocks.

646
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: I think that was the bottleneck, Brian Gridlock, the Butcher,

647
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: the Buckeroo, the babbling baboon, Radio Ned Flanders, ok fake news,

648
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: Finley wonderbred of radio and Quaker oats. I think those

649
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: are those those are the ones I remember. Yeah, Now,

650
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: what do you have a favorite? Because I have a favorite.

651
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: You know what my favorite is? You absolutely know, like, oh.

652
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: My god, oh what my favorite is?

653
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Brian? No is it? Man?

654
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: I let me hear it from you. Let me hear

655
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 5: it from you, buckeroo.

656
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: That was one of the funniest nights.

657
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: I will if I write a book sometime, I'll have

658
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: to try to get that in the book.

659
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Speaker 1: Because we were trying.

660
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Speaker 3: We were in a pissing match, me and you and uh,

661
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: you know, I dropped a piano on you, and you're

662
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: very upsetting.

663
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Speaker 5: Hey, let's not forget Ben.

664
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Speaker 4: There was that one time where yeah, I mean, look,

665
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Speaker 4: I always think that, you know, the barbs we throw

666
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: are fun, but I get it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I have to learn, you know, you put

668
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Speaker 5: me in my spot.

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Speaker 4: There was one week where I was filling in for

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Speaker 4: Eddie and I remember you're like, I think I said

671
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Speaker 4: something about you know, and I didn't mean it personally,

672
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: but I think I said something about saddle back. And

673
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: then you only let me talk for like one minute

674
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Speaker 4: at the bottom of the hour and there and then

675
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: you're like, I'll take it from from the Do you

676
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: remember this this was a few years ago.

677
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Speaker 3: I don't particularly remember that, but I'm sure it probably happened.

678
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: I was having a you know, I was having it,

679
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, that time of the month or whatever. I

680
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but no.

681
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Speaker 5: But I learned my lesson, like I I you know,

682
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Speaker 5: it's so.

683
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Speaker 1: I remember when you when you, like.

684
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Speaker 3: The early part of the time we worked together, you

685
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: were trying to make your mark right, and you were

686
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: annoying me. And because you were, you were trying too hard, right,

687
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: and it happens right, you just you were just over

688
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: the top and it was getting under my skin. But

689
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: you that's the line you had. You were using different

690
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: verbiage to describe the outcome of games. Oh yeah, yeah,

691
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: that was too far. You used a position, a certain

692
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: description of a I'll cover your Brian, But there was

693
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: a way you described the outcome of a game that

694
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Speaker 3: we gave you the nickname the Buckeroo, and that was

695
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Speaker 3: just I still I still chuckle at the particular night

696
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: there was. It was absolutely wonderful, just just tremendous. And

697
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: the net Flanders thing, I think that's also one of

698
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Speaker 3: my top for you.

699
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Speaker 5: Ocally Docally do no, Now, how did you come up

700
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 5: with those two?

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Speaker 1: Though? Well, the the buckeroo was we couldn't say what

702
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: you had.

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00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Said, so well, yeah, I get that one.

704
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the net Flanners, I think that was one of

705
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: the listeners actually sent that one in because you sounded

706
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: your delivery initially was a little ned flanders Ish, the

707
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: character from the Simpsons, So I think that's that's what

708
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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 1: I also remember the day that you were eating almond.

710
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: And you left it on the counter there, and again

711
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: it made a big deal about that. I remember you

712
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: and you were you ate a lot. I think it

713
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: was around this time. This is Thanksgiving weekend. It's Black

714
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Speaker 3: Friday today, and I remember one Thanksgiving. I think we

715
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Speaker 3: worked together and you were eating like chicken, olive oil, almond, butter,

716
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, like all that stuff on Thanksgiving.

717
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Like that was your Thanksgiving meal.

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Speaker 4: It's very well, because of working overnight, Ben, I had

719
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: to think outside the box. And let's just say that

720
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: I've opened up my palette since then. I'm not as restrictive.

721
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: I've learned a lot on my own health journey. So

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Speaker 4: that's another store.

723
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Speaker 3: But yes or no, you're not like the vegan Alex.

724
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: The Vegan who's been on this podcast, who.

725
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: Go no, no, no, I but I'm Keto so Keto diet,

726
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: So I don't do anything that has artificial sugar. Okay,

727
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: so any like natural sugar that's in fruits and stuff

728
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: like that, I'll do. But I'm not doing anything processed

729
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: or any artificial sugar, and that's sort of more limited.

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Speaker 1: I got you, I got you.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I need to promote I have a

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Speaker 3: TV show that's took me on today on Friday here,

733
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: even though it's Thanksgiving weekend. I know you'll be watching,

734
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: Brian unless you don't, but it's Benny Versus the Penny.

735
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: It'll be on today now that I always debut in

736
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: Boston because that's where the show is produced out of,

737
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: so NBC Sports Boston.

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Speaker 1: Today it's six o'clock Boston, right after the I.

739
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Speaker 3: Assume it's a replay of Felger and Maz on NBC

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Speaker 3: Sports Boston.

741
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Speaker 1: So that'll be available later today and I work that

742
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Speaker 1: in there.

743
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Speaker 3: Also, since you're here, Brian and you're part of the show,

744
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: how about the worm of the day.

745
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Are you ready for the That's what I am.

746
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: Ready, let's do it.

747
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: So the phrase of the day today, I figured, why

748
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: not just play the hits, mom, man, play the hits

749
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: a black Friday. The term black Friday, which originated I

750
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: did not know is it goes back to eighteen sixty nine.

751
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Today is black Friday a day that we know is

752
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: about shopping and spending money and all that. But the

753
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: original term was coined in eighteen sixty nine the bottom

754
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: fell out of the gold market because of manipulation. There

755
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: were a couple of shady Wall Street people, go figure

756
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: that manipulated the gold market, and black Friday was used

757
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: the first time to describe the day that launched bankruptcies.

758
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 3: So that's the real It wasn't for retail. But wait,

759
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: there's more. Now, this part of this I found. I

760
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: found it fascinating. Years ago, Black Friday was not a thing, right,

761
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 3: It was not a thing up until like the nineteen eighties.

762
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: In fact, originally it was. It was such a negative

763
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: that they turned into a positive. So the stories that

764
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: black Friday, you know, most people say, well that's when

765
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: stores go from in the red to in the black,

766
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: but it actually goes back to Philadelphia, PA. And it

767
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: was the day after Thanksgiving. Cops hated it. They complained

768
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: about Black Friday because they had to work on their

769
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: off day, they'd work overtime and the day after Thanksgiving

770
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Speaker 3: because downtown Philadelphia there were tons of people there shopping.

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Speaker 3: They were out of towners there, fans in town because

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Speaker 3: that was always I know, they don't play it there

773
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: every year anymore, but the Army Navy game was played

774
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, see me forever. So they had huge crowds

775
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: in Philly that the game was on Saturday, so people

776
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: would come into town and it was apparently a massive

777
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: day for shoplifters. This goes back like the nineteen seventies,

778
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Speaker 3: and so it was a massive problem for the people

779
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: that were in the retail business because they know people

780
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: shoppers were coming in there and they would steal a

781
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: bunch of crap, much like they do today in some places.

782
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: And so this is like the the in the in

783
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: the fifties and in the sixties. And then at some

784
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: point they got together, some of the big retailers in Philadelphia,

785
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: and as the story has been passed on to me,

786
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: it was one of those things, well, if we can't

787
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: beat them, we might as well join them. And so

788
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: let's try to turn a negative into a positive and

789
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: we'll reinvent Black Friday. But it took a while, and then,

790
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, the late seventies early eighties, Black Friday by

791
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: then became synonymous with the day to spend money you

792
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: don't have and shop to drop and you know, doorbuster

793
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: deals and all that. But originally Black Friday was a negative.

794
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: You know, it was a Wall Street term about the

795
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: gold market manipulation. And then in Philadelphia it was a

796
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: day where crime ran wild and people were hoodlums and

797
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: all that, and they turned the negative into a puzzle.

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Speaker 1: So that is the phrase of the week. There you go.

799
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: Who knows, it's funny, Ben, because that's all you do

800
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 4: on your shows. You turn a negative into a positive.

801
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: So it makes so much sense.

802
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: I look at that out.

803
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 3: There, all right, thank you for doing this. Now anything

804
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: you want to promote, Brian, How can people? I know

805
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: you're still on the X and all that, and then

806
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, follow me on X.

807
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, doing a lot of tennis, doing a lot

808
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: of volleyball, looking forward to twenty twenty five. So for

809
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: all the updates going into twenty twenty five, follow me

810
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 4: on X and Ben.

811
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Speaker 5: It's great to finally be on that's great.

812
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: What's your dream gig, like, you know, five years from now,

813
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: we're sitting here at the end of twenty twenty four.

814
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: If I if I dial you up in twenty twenty

815
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: nine around giving like could you be a play by

816
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: play guy for a team network job?

817
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: But something else? What do you what do you think?

818
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: I got my toes in a lot of different things.

819
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: So I want to be able to to do something

820
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: related to tennis, broadcasting at Wimbledon or one of the majors,

821
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, Grand Slam wise in tennis, also college volleyball,

822
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 4: more that on ESPN.

823
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 5: I've done some of that before.

824
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: I want to continue to do that and want to

825
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: get into the golf space. But tennis and volleyball I

826
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 4: am gonna do. This is kind of fun. I'm doing

827
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: a couple of UCLA women's basketball games in December. So

828
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: we're getting close to December, and they are now number

829
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: one in the country after beating Don Staley South Carolina

830
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: team a few days ago from when we tape this,

831
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: So you're going to see me do some basketball in December.

832
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: Ben.

833
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: So, yeah, just a little thing, a little bunch of

834
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: different things all over the place.

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Speaker 3: Outstanding all right, Well, Brian, it's been it's been fun.

836
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: And you look at that you're part of the alumni associations.

837
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: Make sure todm looney told me to make sure you

838
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: pay your dues. You're you're in the alumni association. Now

839
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: you're an active member FSR Alumni Association, the number one.

840
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Club out there.

841
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: But had a good time busting your balls back in

842
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: the day. And you know, maybe we'll work together again

843
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: down the line. But thanks for coming on.

844
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: Thanks have a great, great holiday season, Brian YouTube Ben.

845
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me man. Always cherish our times

846
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: and all the laughs and all the fun times we

847
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: had together.

848
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Speaker 1: Lader skater gotta murder, I gotta go