1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number thirty two. 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: Tall In the show, we're sharing updates on the two 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen rut and then are joined by Jared Scheffler 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: of White Tail Adrenaline to discuss extreme rut hunting tactics. 8 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, and 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: we have got just an amazing show for you today, 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: but I might be a little bit biased. Today Dan 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: and I are gonna be talking a bit about how 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: our rut vacations have been going so far here in 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: week number two, and then we're going to be joe 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: by Jared Scheffler of White Tail Adrenaline to discuss some 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: extreme rut hunting tactics. Now, for those that aren't familiar, 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Jared produces the White Tail Adrenaline DVDs, which are some 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: of the most unique, most intense hunting videos you will 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: ever see. It's all about public land, all on the 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: ground and stalking with a bow or gun and it's 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: just playing crazy. So trust me, this is gonna be 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff to talk about. But before we 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: get to all that, I've got to catch up my buddy, Mr. 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: Dan Johnson. How's it going, man, All it's no one. Uh, 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: there's deer in the woods, that's for sure. Well that's 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: a that's a plus. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: I mean me and Ryan are hunting. Card haven't taken 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: a day off. Hunted absolutely every day since she's gotten 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: down here. Um. There was one morning where we were 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: waiting for a whim to shift directions completely. It was like, 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: right at first it was going to be going from 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: the south to A, from the south to A northwest, 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: and so we didn't hunt that morning. We waited to 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: get into the stand at about nine thirty and then 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: hunted the rest of the day there. Just didn't want 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: to take the chance of having a wrong direction win direction. 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: But other than that, we've been we've been hard at it. Man. 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't the way we hunt. You know, people always say, oh, 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: no one hunts harder than this guy, or no one 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: hunts harder than this guy. But I'll tell you right now, 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: the way that we're running and gunning, and you know, 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: we had all the all these trees turned out at 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, and uh, I think we 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: sat in maybe one two three sets that were pre 44 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: trim trees. Everything else has been a running done. So 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: we're getting after sounds like it. So what did you 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: get start in November one? Is that right? We're gonna 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: We just finished up day eleven, so you're definitely pretty sewesome. 48 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Imagine at this point, huh right, we are, We're tired, 49 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: we're drumpy, we're cold now at this cold front moved through, 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: but that should be the trigger to get us back 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: to where we need to be. I know, if you 52 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: follow the nine Finger Chronicle Facebook page or I know 53 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: I've talked to you a little bit about it. Ryan 54 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: missed the stud one probably low one eighties, high one 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: seventies the other day, and fortunately we saw him again 56 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: last night cruising through an area. He's back on trail cameras, 57 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: so I don't know. The saga continues. Yeah, so how's 58 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: how's Ryan holding up after that? I imagine that was 59 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: pretty tough for him. I'll tell you, just like anybody 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: would be. He was a little sick about it, um 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: down his luck, but he knew that you know, it's Iowa. 62 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Anything can happen, and he I don't know, he took 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: it better than I probably would have to be honest 64 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: with you. Um, the guy is long story short. It's 65 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: not exactly what he does, but he's an antiphusiologist or 66 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: like a nurse something, and in his job, if he 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: makes a mistake, people die. So he knows how to 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: deal with pressure. UM not to make an excuse for 69 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: him missing, and he doesn't. He wouldn't never want an 70 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: excuse made for him for himself. But it was pretty 71 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: windy that day and the tree we were in was blowing, 72 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: and I think that had something to do with it, 73 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, But like I said, man, 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: giant missed. There's no there's nothing you can reas eggs that. 75 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: But you know, tighten up the bootstraps and get back 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: at it. That's all there is to it. You're absolutely right. 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I gotta keep on grinding. That's right. That's right. So 78 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: I saw that you laid down an awesome back. I 79 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: want to hear something. I want to hear a little 80 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: bit about that. Yeah, my rut vacations. Since the last 81 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: time we recorded, UM, it's come a long way. Some 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: good things that happened. It's been a heck of a week. Um. 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: You know when we had talked last, it was last 84 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: week Tuesday, and I just left Indiana after hunting there 85 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: for five days and drove down to my Ohio property. Well, 86 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: we got down to Ohio and started hunting Wednesday morning, 87 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Um the fifth, me and and buddy Josh and I 88 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: pulled trail camera cards on our way into our stand 89 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: that morning and checked those pictures, and right off the 90 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: bat on October I had pictures of Drawbreaker, the buck 91 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: that you know, as you you well know that I've 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: been hunting him like crazy. He's a buck we talked 93 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: about in episode. I think that I had hit back 94 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: on October six and couldn't recover him, and you know 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: on the two and a half or three weeks since then. 96 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: It's just it's been with me ever since. Haunted me. 97 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Um just really impacted me. So the fact I got 98 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: these pictures that I thought were jawbreakers just blew my mind. Um, 99 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: and I was on cloud nine, just in an enormous 100 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: amount of relief to know that, to think that he 101 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: was still alive. So I was stoked. November five, was 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: really excited. Um, you know, hunted all day, sow few 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: does but nothing much. But going home that night, I 104 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: was just reinvigorated, you know, after that whole time in Indiania, 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: as we talked about last time, was really slow. But 106 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: this just got me really excited again. And I talked to, 107 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, to my buddy Josh with the fact, you know, 108 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be it's gonna be a jawbreaker 109 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: or bust. He is the buck. I want. I want 110 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: to close that loop. I want to right that wrong 111 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I made that I made, whatever mistakes I made, um 112 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: the first time around, I wanted to I wanted to 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: close it out now. So that was my plane. So 114 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: that night I'm thinking, you know, as you know, as 115 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: you know I do, Dan, I'm just racking my brain 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: over analyzing every different piece of data I have about 117 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: what I know or what I knew job Breaker used 118 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: to do, and what I know about the current conditions 119 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: and the wind whether and what the dough should be doing, 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: and this thing and that thing. And I decided that 121 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: I thought I knew the perfect place I had to 122 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: be the next morning. UM, So I got up at 123 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: three fIF or three thirty in the morning so we 124 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: could drive to the property and get out there well 125 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: well before daylight and time for me to sneak into 126 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: this area and actually hang a portable stand um. So 127 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: this spot, I want to describe the spot a little 128 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: bit because it was really just a dynamite rut hunting spot, 129 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: kind of the in my opinion, kind of a perfect 130 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: rut hunting stand um. So this was an area there 131 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: was a popular dough betting area just upwind of me, 132 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: So I wanted to be sitting just downwind of this 133 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: dough bedding area, which is some really thick crp and 134 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: brush and stuff, so it's downwind of the bedding. And 135 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: then I'm on this little piece of high ground on 136 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the downwind st bedding area, and there's a barbed wire fence, 137 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: an old farmer's fence that runs across this finger of 138 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: timber that I'm sitting next to. And there's one section 139 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: of that barbed wire fence that's down and that is 140 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: right on this downwind edge. And so you got here 141 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: is some downwind of a dough betting area. So buck 142 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: should be cruising down wind during the rut checking that 143 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: betting area for does. But then if they do that, 144 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: the one place they can cross is this little fence crossing, 145 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: and so it's a funnel downwind of a betting air. 146 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: And then to make it even better, right behind me 147 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: down wind of me is a big steep ravine, so 148 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: nothing can get down wind of me. All my wind 149 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: blows back over the steep ravine that no dear going 150 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: to no dear cross it. So it just kind of 151 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: a bulletproof set. I was downwind of a betting air, 152 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: I was in a funnel, and I couldn't be winded. 153 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: So I just went into this knowing I was in 154 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: a great spot. And on top of that, I picked 155 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: this betting air at Hunt because it was right adjacent 156 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: to one of the job breakers most um common places 157 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: he used to bed and hang out. So I just 158 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: I went in there with really high hopes, and you know, 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: I got set up. It was one of those things 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: where I got there in the morning and like I said, 161 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: I knew this specific spot I want to be at, 162 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: but since I didn't have a stand um, I went 163 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: in there with a portable and was looking around and 164 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: got to the spot I want to be, but that 165 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: just was not any good trees right where I needed 166 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: to be, So I spent maybe ten and it's maybe more. 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Just kind of standing there looking around in the dark, 168 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: I could just see the silhouettes of the trees walking 169 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: from this tree to that tree. You know, can I 170 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: make this one work? With this one? Be okay? Should 171 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I go with this one? It was kind of the 172 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: dilemma was do I go with a treue with better 173 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: cover or do I go with a tree that's in 174 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: the right spot. Because the only tree I could get 175 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: to in the right spot was one of those kind 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: of bean pole type trees, just kind of narrow, tall 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: and not a lot of branches and cover on it, 178 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: and I knew it wasn't gonna be great for you know, 179 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: concealing me up there. But in the end I thought 180 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: long and hard, butought and decided I had to be 181 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: in that spot if I wanted the best shot, and 182 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: I thought, at the very least, I could get really 183 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: high up in the tree, and then I could put 184 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: the tree stand on the back side of that tree 185 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: so that anything moving through where the deer will be 186 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: coming from, I would have that tree trunk in between 187 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: me and those deer so it gets daylight. It was 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: really cool. The cold front had hit. He dropped down 189 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: maybe the twenty Greason is the day before, it was 190 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of light rain coming in and out, 191 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: and it was just, you know, one of those perfect, 192 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: perfect mornings, and about eight fifteen or so, I hadn't 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: seen any deer yet that day until I look up 194 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and I just see these antlers kind of rise out 195 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: of the tall grass in front of me, and um, 196 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: immediately I knew it was a shooter. UM giant buck. 197 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: And long story short, he starts coming in my direction. 198 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting excited. Excuse me. As I see him, I 199 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: turn on the camera and at the time, he's probably 200 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: hundred hundred fifty yards away. And as you know, you 201 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: know we talked about during the episode where I talked 202 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: about job Breaker and the first encounter I had within 203 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: this year. Um, you know, one of the major mistakes 204 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: I felt that I made that time is that I 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: was messing around with the camera trying to get the 206 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: camera on him, and I didn't have time to do 207 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: that and properly get my bow ready and everything. Because 208 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: that whole encounter lasted maybe thirty seconds or twenty seconds 209 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: something like that from the time I saw him and 210 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: he was there at like twenty yards right away Um, well, 211 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: this time I saw him hundred yards out or more, 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: and so I had lots and lots of time, and 213 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: I got that camera on him, and I had decided, 214 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: you know, after our conversation, after I've been thinking through 215 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: all the different things I wanted to do differently. My 216 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: my plan was that if I had another shot opportunity 217 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: to deer that was fast, Like I saw a deer 218 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: and I was I was not gonna have very much time. 219 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: I had to move fast. I was just gonna say, 220 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: forget the camera. I'm gonna focus on the shop. If 221 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity came up where I had lots of time, 222 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: then I might get the camera out, try to get 223 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: a little bit film with him, and if possible, if 224 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: I can do it you know smartly, Um, I'll have 225 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: the camera rolling, but I'm not going to sacrifice a 226 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: good shot opportunity because of it. So that's where things 227 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: stood with this whole deal. Um. So, like I said, 228 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: I had the camera on him, zoomed on him, got 229 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: a good look at him, and right away I was like, 230 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's him. And I went through the checkpoint, 231 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: through the different checks, I went, Okay, he's got the 232 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: shorter G twos and G three's check, he's got a 233 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: taller right brow time and this left brow time. Check, 234 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: he's got the crab claud g force check, check and check. 235 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean everything was in line, and I was like unbelieved. 236 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: I cannot believe it. Like just yesterday we found out 237 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: he's still alive. I think now, like I've just been 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: thinking about this deer all night, and holy crap. The 239 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: first year I see in the spot where I thought 240 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: I would see him boom jawbreakers here at a hundred 241 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: yards and he's coming in. It was just nuts. So 242 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: he's coming in. He gets to the trail that I 243 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: had actually walked in on, and he turns and goes left. 244 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: I needed him to go right towards me. Um, so 245 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: I grabbed my grunt call. I let out one deep 246 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: guttural grunt, kind of a growl almost, and he stopped, 247 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: turned right towards me and just stared for maybe five 248 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: ten seconds, and then turn started heading right towards me. 249 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: At that point, I was like, holy crap, this is 250 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: actually happening. Um. Yeah, it was nuts. Um. An interesting 251 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: side note, you know last podcast you had talked about 252 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about some of the new 253 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: gear we like, and one of the items you had 254 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: mentioned was nose Jammer. It's you know, the spray, it's 255 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: like vanilla extract spray that you put on there that 256 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: sort of confused the deer's nose and senses. Well, after 257 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: we'd talked, you know, like we said, like I had mentioned, 258 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: a number of other people had mentioned this product to 259 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: me over the past couple of weeks and months, and 260 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: so when you told me that you were using nose Jammer, 261 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: that he liked it, that was like the straw that 262 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: broke the camels back. I was like, I gotta get this, 263 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: so literally that night, I think it was that night 264 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: or the next night, um Dan, after we talked, I 265 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: went to the store and I picked up a couple 266 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: of cans of nose Jammer. And so this morning, that 267 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: morning was the first time I'd ever used nose Jammer, 268 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: and that buck walked right up my trail all the 269 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: way to me and never never was worried about scent. 270 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: So right there, that's a pretty glowing endorsement, um or 271 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: at least convincing example for me to see how it working. 272 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Pretty well. Um yeah, So I'm glad I tried it. 273 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what what would have happened if I 274 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: didn't use it that day. But he comes down that 275 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: trail right towards me, and eventually he gets about right 276 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: in front of me, about yards away. But there's really tall, 277 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: like I said, really tall grass and some saplings and 278 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: bushes and stuff, and that there's no shot opportunities because 279 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: his his chest isn't open. But he's close and he 280 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: gets right in front of me, and at this point 281 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: he can he looks up in my general direction and 282 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: sees my silhouette or shape. Again, I wasn't really well 283 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: concealed because of the lack of cover up there, so 284 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: he he locks on me, and in my head, I'm like, 285 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, jawbreakers at thirty yards and you're gonna 286 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: blow it because you're in a crappy tree. And I 287 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: was just like, oh man, I can't believe this head. 288 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm just frozen there. And he just stars up in 289 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: my general direction for a long time, but he couldn't 290 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: make sense of it. Um, he knew there was something 291 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: there because there was a big blob, but he just 292 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what it was. And so in my head, 293 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, if somehow he happens to to not 294 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: bust me next time he puts his head down on 295 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: this tall stuff, I had to draw because I don't 296 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: think I can have another opportunity to do it. So unbelievably, 297 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: he puts his head back down, slowly, takes a couple 298 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: of steps, and so I draw back my bow and 299 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: get get locked in, and you know, is this all happening? 300 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm think you through all the things you know that 301 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: happened last time with him, you know the mistakes I made, 302 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the things I wanted to do differently. So I'm I'm 303 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm running through this since my head. You know, take 304 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: it slow, focus on, focus on settling that pin in there. 305 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Fix make sure your peep sites right. You know last 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: time my peep saidn't open properly. So all these things 307 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: are going on in my head and I get drawn back. 308 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: He gets back on me and starts looking at me again, 309 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: and we ended up timing it because I've got film 310 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I was at full draw for almost 311 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: two minutes. This deer was just staring me down, and 312 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm at full draw, and after like a minute, I 313 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: don't a minute minute fifteen of holding a full draw, 314 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: just waiting, just staring at him. He stared at me. 315 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm staring at him. I'm at full draw. My back 316 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: starting to hurt, my arms are starting starting to shake. Um, 317 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my legs just go completely out 318 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: of control. I've just just been standing their normal, holding 319 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: back my bow, and then I don't I don't even 320 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: know how to describe it, but just they went a wall. 321 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: Like you know, at like car dealerships, they have those 322 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: blow up like tall, skinny, like gumby looking things that 323 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: are like waving in the wind. Those are my legs. 324 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: That is exactly what I got. And it was so 325 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: crazy that when it was happening, I literally, I really 326 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: swear to God, I saw that buck's eyes squint in 327 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: his head kindtel and look at me like what the 328 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: heck is up there? Like what is shaking? And I'm 329 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: thinking of my head, I am not going to lose 330 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: this shot of redemption because my stupid freaking legs can't 331 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: stop shaking, and so I just I just remember thinking 332 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: that in my head and then like just every ounce 333 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: of my strength I used to just tense up my 334 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: entire body, like I squeeze my fists, my chest, my arms, 335 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: my legs, my knees, my feet, everything. I just tried 336 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: to clench it all as tight as I possibly could 337 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: to try to stop that shaking, and somehow I did, 338 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and the box still looking at him, so finally calm 339 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the shaking down. It takes another step and now he's 340 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: he's just like a step or so outside of my 341 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: opening in this grass I can get a shot at, 342 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: and he's just the front of his like brisket and 343 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: neck is out in the open. So I just remember 344 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: settling that pen in just in front of his neck 345 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: and just sitting there waiting and was ready, and I 346 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: just needed him to take, you know, give me one 347 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: more step and I'm gonna sink it right in there. 348 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I waited, and I waited, and 349 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: finally put his head down, nose drown a little bit, 350 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, please, please let this happen. And 351 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: then he took another step and sunk that pin and 352 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: right behind the shoulder, took another extra second, touched it off, 353 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: and I watched that fletching go right behind the shoulder, 354 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: right through the lungs double alonged him, and he took 355 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: off running mule kicked and uh, and then I just 356 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, proceeded to melt down. I just it was nuts, 357 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: I you know, I I couldn't believe I just got 358 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: a shot at him again and all this had happened, 359 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: and it was just it was just crazy. I was 360 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: just really unbelievably happy. And so to to make a 361 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: a long story short, you know, after that, it called 362 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: my buddies I was out there hunting with, told him 363 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: what happened. We decided to you know, back out meet up, 364 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: watched the footage, and then go make a game plan. 365 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: So that's what we did. I got the arrow. Um 366 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: decent blood in the arrow, but not a whole lot, 367 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: but it had gone through a bunch of grass and 368 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: weeds and stuff, you know, after it passed through him, 369 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and so I think something that wiped off the blood 370 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And then as I was walking out, a 371 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: big rain, a big kind of squall came through. So 372 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I was kind of worried that I might get some 373 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: blood washed away because there was a bunch of rain. 374 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: But we went watched the footage. The shot looked great. Um, 375 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: and you know, me, my friends Josh and Corey, we 376 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: all agreed. Yep, that's drawbreaker, and so we decided to 377 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: wait about you know, and I think about two hours 378 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: after the shot, and we decided to go in for it. 379 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: So we went in, picked up the blood, had really 380 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: good blood um, and we just followed it out through 381 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: this c RP and then it went to the edge 382 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: of the corn field. And it followed the edge of 383 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: this corn field for probably a hundred hundred fifty yards 384 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: two hundred yards, and then he turned into the corn field, 385 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: just like job right here had done the first time 386 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: that I hit this buck um in October. We start 387 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: going through his corn and blood starts getting little sketchy, 388 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: and now I'm starting to getting nervous. And now we're 389 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's been three hundred yards. I've been tracking him, 390 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, how in the world's this buck on 391 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: so far with that shot? And now we're at four 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: hundred yards and now I'm getting really nervous. Bloods getting sketchy. 393 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: We get all the way to the other side of 394 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: the field and now we're at the property border and 395 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm back down to the low point where 396 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, how could this happen? I've just hit the 397 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: same buck twice and I'm not going to find him again. 398 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: I was just I was starting to get worried. And 399 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: then just as that was happening, I looked down the 400 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: edge of the corn field, you know, in the little 401 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: gap between the fence row and the corn and I 402 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: just saw this main beam laying on its side, and 403 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: it was just crazy. There was what time of day 404 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: did you shoot him? Shot him at eight dirty am? 405 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think it was still like noon maybe 406 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: that we found him or something. I guess I don't 407 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: even know what time it was, but sometime in the afternoon. Um. 408 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: But but there was all you know, as you as 409 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, Dan Um and some some of our listeners know, 410 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: there was one more kind of twist in the story, 411 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: because you know, I ran over that. I couldn't believe it. 412 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: This buck that I had been, you know, so upset 413 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: by wounding him, and now I found he's alive, and 414 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: now I get a shot at him, and then I 415 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: think I'm not going to find him, and now I 416 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: just found him. Um. You know, I spent a two 417 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: year hunt for this buck. I got all these pictures 418 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: and all this history and all this stuff that happened. 419 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Now I killed him. I found him, and it was 420 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: just this crazy wave of emotion that crashed over me, 421 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: and I run over there to the buck and I 422 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: put my hands on his antlers and I'm looking at him, 423 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: and then just weird kind of realization passed through my head. 424 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: As I'm looking at him. I look at his andlers. 425 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: He's a stud big buck that's aret looking at his body, 426 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: and I start looking for the wound from when I 427 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: hit him the first time. I wanted to see where 428 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: I hit him, and I don't see anything, and I 429 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: grabbed his antlers and I kind of twist set around. 430 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking. I just kind of stood up 431 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: and put my hand on my head and I looked 432 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: over my buddy. I'm like, this isn't jab Breaker. It 433 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: was not jab Breaker. I was so we were all 434 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: so dead set sure it was him. I thought for 435 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: sure it was him, and it wasn't. This is a 436 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: totally different buck, and I mean it kind of it 437 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: really really threw me off there. Um. I should have. 438 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: I was, He's an awesome buck, mature buck, cool dear um. 439 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: But in the moment, I was kind of really disappointed 440 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: because I had, you know, been so determined to get 441 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: job Breaker to to kind of close out that, um 442 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: whole the whole thing, and I didn't, and um, so 443 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: for a second there, I was kind of disapp pointed 444 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: an upset by just touched. But then I kind of realized, 445 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, this is an incredible blessing and incredible deer, 446 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: an awesome hunt. Um, and so you know you can't 447 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: be disappointed by that. So you know, long story short, 448 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm stoked to have gotten this deer. Awesome hunt, huge, 449 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: just a a great kind of monkey off my back. 450 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: Getting that deer for the year. It feels great, especially 451 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, after having the poor shot on job Breaker 452 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: earlier in the year, to to send an raw right 453 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: through the lungs this time, to really you know, get 454 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: a good one felt it felt great, and um, yeah, 455 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: it's awesome. I'm stoked about it. Was cool. I went 456 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: back and it's funny and we went and looked back 457 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: at the trail camera picture. We compared trail camera pictures 458 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: of job Breaker to this deer, like the same kind 459 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: of look, and I mean they are just so so similar. 460 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: Like you know, there's it's like if you took a 461 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: job Breaker and took an inch off of every time, 462 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: maybe I mean, ever, all the other antlers characteristics almost 463 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: match up perfectly. It's just like, this is job breaker 464 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: a year or two younger. Maybe. Um, well, and that's 465 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: what that's what I saw when I looked at the picture, right, 466 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what the post was exactly about, 467 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: but I'm like, oh, that's just draw breaker from the 468 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: previous year. He didn't do too much. But then when 469 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I read the article, I said, I saw that. I 470 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: kind it's a different dock. So yeah, now now that 471 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: each said it, I was kind of curious on what 472 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: your reaction was. Yeah, it was. It was crazy. I 473 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: mean there's you know, looking back at now, there's a 474 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: couple of things that you know, maybe I could you know, 475 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: I could you can know that you could tell the difference. 476 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: But you know, in the moment with him coming in, 477 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: I saw those couple three key characteristics and a big 478 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: deer and all those things lined up, and he passed 479 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: the eyeball test. That was him. So it's, uh, you know, 480 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: it was crazy how it all happened. Um, But you know, 481 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: as a guessing addendum to that, you know, now I 482 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: went through all this stuff realized this deer wasn't a 483 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: job Breaker. So then they got me thinking, you know, 484 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: were those trial camera pictures is that I got that 485 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: I had seen the day before, Were those actually job 486 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Breaker or were those this deer? So I went back 487 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: and looked at all those pictures, and me and my buddies, 488 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: I've been studying them, and I just I don't know. 489 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: There's like a number of things that line up perfectly, 490 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: like his time length, his crab claw type, G four's um, 491 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: his right brow tie, his taller than his left brow 492 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: time and there's just a slight crook in it like 493 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: that all looks perfect. But in these pictures I've got 494 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: all this deer, his right G two looks long, looks 495 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: just as long as hiss G three, But on Job Breaker, 496 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: his G two is shorter by like an inch or two. 497 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: And I just I don't know. I just can't figure 498 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: it out because part of me says, how do all 499 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: these other things line up his frame, his G four's, 500 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: his brow tis how do all those things look almost perfect? 501 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: And this one thing that yet, how could that possibly be? 502 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, does every darn deer run around this property 503 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: look exactly the same? Um? So, I don't know if 504 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: it's a trick with a camera angle that maybe looks 505 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: that do two look too too long, or maybe it 506 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: just is a totally different deer that has remarkably similar characteristics. Um. 507 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: You know, the only pictures I have, they're not great pictures. 508 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: There's one two pictures of him walking away, so I'm 509 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: looking at him from the back, slightly quartering away or 510 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: quite quite quartering away. And then the one other picture 511 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: he's way in the background and you can just see 512 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: his right side, and then he's got some bushes in 513 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: front of his left side. So you know, I don't 514 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: have perfect shots of them to tell a dent who 515 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: this dear is. But I don't know. It's still a 516 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: mystery to me. Um, don't we have pictures of jaw breaker, 517 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: um entreal camera that are a hundred percent sure you 518 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: know it's him with the wound on to the side. No, No, 519 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: the only the only pictures I have are are these 520 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: ones I'm talking about. And there were six days, six 521 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: or seven days after my shot. He passed through one 522 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: time in the middle of the night, and um, these 523 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: photos do show what some people think might be the wound, 524 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: but there's there's weeds there and I just can't tell 525 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: if it's weeds that you were seeing in the shadows, 526 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: or if it's actually wound, but it's it's not obvious. 527 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: It's not like a yeah, absolutely that's him. It's uh jeez, 528 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: it really could be him. But at the same time, 529 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: I just don't know. So that's where things are. Continues, 530 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the story continues, and and maybe uh maybe a job 531 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: breaker will will be back for two thousand fifteen. You 532 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: never know, you never know. Mark. Yeah, So it was 533 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: a roller coaster, just an absolute crazy roller coaster. Right, 534 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: we're we're experiencing, well, we experienced the downs to day. 535 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Ryan missed uh we called the buck, we call no 536 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: show Jones. But he uh, he showed back up again 537 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: last night. Now we're kind of getting back on the up. Tonight. 538 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: We had some really cool encounters with some is a buck. 539 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: I thought I thought Ryan was gonna shoot, but he 540 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: ended up passing it. Um this ten pointer that you 541 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: look at this buck and most people would have shot him. 542 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: But because he's a three year old, this buck in 543 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: one or two more years will be absolutely giant. He 544 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: has it's just one of those gear that has genetics 545 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: written all over him. And he's going to be the 546 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: next he's going to be the next note shore again, 547 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: if that makes any sense. So how big was he? No? Um, 548 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: what I think is probably in the one forty class 549 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: and three year old perfect perfect ten with he's starting 550 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: to get bladed on one of his G two's and 551 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: he's got about a two inch sticker sticking straight out 552 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: of his right basse. So, m, he's pretty recognizable. That 553 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: sounds kind of like the buck I shot. My buck 554 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: was um, but he had a sticker coming off his 555 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: right bass, but instead of sticking straight up, it sticks 556 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: straight down and actually touches his skull um, So you 557 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: kind of can't see it unless you're looking at the 558 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: top of his head. So in the pictures, no, you know, 559 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: you don't see it all in the pictures, but kind 560 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: of a cool little feature there. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, 561 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: we've uh we're the last couple of days we've been hunting, 562 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: Like let's see last night, um, this morning, tonight, and 563 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. We're gonna be hunting in the same standard 564 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: leaves been uh sitting in U in the same stand 565 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be over top of a well used 566 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: two tracks that it's basically the travel corridor and these 567 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: bucks come through once every couple of days to um 568 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: scent check the betting area. There's a betting area near it, 569 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: and uh, there's a there's a community streat that every 570 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: year that comes to the area hits and uh and 571 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: we're just just waiting. We're five sticks up, so are 572 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: a wind kind of carries over the entire area. So 573 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: we're not getting We're not we're not worried about getting busted. 574 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: We're just it's a patience game, now. Yeah, Well it's 575 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: that time of year where that patience can pay off 576 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: if you give it, if you give enough time. Right 577 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: right tomorrow, the goal is to potentially sit all day long. 578 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna pull a Mark Canyon and I'm gonna have 579 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: to stock up on the I'm gonna have to stock 580 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: up on um oh geez, stock up on hand warmers, 581 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: and potentially take some toilet paper with me. So the 582 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: essential I'm pretty regular, if you know what I mean. 583 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, buddy, So who know, if 584 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: anything can happen. I really like Ryan to tag out 585 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: tomorrow for two reasons. One because he's been hunting hard 586 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: this entire time. Two because I want to hunt for 587 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: a couple of days to Yeah, so but uh but yeah, man, 588 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: I just love I mean, it's it's become a grind, 589 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: it's become work, but it's because it's a passion that 590 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: we have. It's I don't know, it's actually it's actually 591 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: less enjoyable than work because work you have running water 592 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: and you have toilets and you have This is different 593 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: and it's really hard for us to explain. We're trying 594 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: to explain it today in the car, so like why 595 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: why do people do this to themselves? You know, it's 596 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: almost like they're setting themselves up for failure. But it's 597 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: something that you know, just like humans and all the listeners, 598 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: we enjoy doing it. We enjoy putting ourselves through the 599 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: suffering because the the reward is so great. Yeah, it's 600 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's ninety you know, a grind and then 601 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: you get that just unbelievable two or one percent of 602 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: the time that just stays with you forever, and it's 603 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: all worth it for that for those moments, right you know. 604 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: And both Ryan and I have daughters and we're talking 605 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: about this the other day too. Man, it's this is 606 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: the heart that that is probably the hardest thing for 607 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: me is being away from the family. Um, the what 608 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: we're you know, we're we're two days in the week, 609 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: the second week of my vacation, and the wives are 610 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: starting to their their past the acceptance stage. They're onto 611 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: the I'm annoyed stage, and the next stage is fury 612 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: and and um, I don't know, man, It's just something 613 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: we'll do and you know they'll get over it, hopefully. Yeah, 614 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: I can relate to that. I was gone for ten days, 615 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: and you know, after I tagged out on my buck, 616 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I was playing staying a while and filming my buddy 617 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: Josh um, and my wife was like your what, No, 618 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: you're coming home? Um, And so I convinced let me 619 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: stay for a couple more days. So I was able 620 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: to stay down there for a few Um, but I 621 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: came home three days earlier than I was supposed to. 622 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta gotta compromise a little bit. 623 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: And I'm you know, you and I both are very fortunate, 624 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: pretty understanding wives. Let us do this kind of thing. 625 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: So so now now I'm gonna chase bucks here in 626 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Michigan for a few days. So what do you got anything? Well, 627 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: finally I've got uh, I've got a shooter. He's not 628 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: he's not an Iowa shooter. But um, he's a he's 629 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: a really salad eight year eight year old, a salad 630 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 1: three and a half year old eight point here in Michigan. 631 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: Just a heavy, nice eight pointer. Um. And he's actually 632 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: we might have mentioned it before. I think I've mentioned 633 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: a couple of times. And I've got this one random 634 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: eight pointer that I kind of get some pictures up, 635 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: but can never get a good look at him. I've 636 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: been getting him on camera here and there, but like 637 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: I said, never really get a good salad idea of 638 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: what he is. Um. And I saw him once just 639 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: before dark and I saw him in a food plot 640 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: just like five hundred yards away once. So he's been around, um, 641 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: but I can never get a good eyeball on him. 642 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: And now finally I just pulled my cameras today and 643 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: he's like everywhere. I've got five daylight pictures of him, 644 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: or he's been on a camera five different times during daylight. 645 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: In the last ten days. He's been on two cameras 646 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: like I don't know fifteen times. Um, great pictures. So 647 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's he's on it. So I'm 648 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: going in there tomorrow, going to hunt all day for 649 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: the next two and a half days, and um, see 650 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: if I can't make it happen. Cool. What as far 651 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: as for the listeners are concerned, what kind of UM 652 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: are you seen any chasing when you were down in 653 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: Ohio or even uh even up in Michigan, you've seen 654 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: any chasing? You've seen any I don't know what kind 655 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: of moves very soon, Yeah, glad you brought that up. 656 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: UM Me personally, across Indiana, Michigan and Ohio, I have 657 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: not seen a single instance of chasing, not not one. 658 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: I have not seen a single buck chasing, though I've 659 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: seen some cruising UM. But I've just seen it's been 660 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: really really slow. I mean, I got a shot at 661 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: the buck he was cruising, UM and we saw a 662 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: couple other cruisers throughout the days afterwards and beforehand. But 663 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: I mean overall, just super slow movement for me. UM. 664 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, no chasing. So I don't know what. 665 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. It just happened to 666 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: be some bad luck or in the wrong spots or 667 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: wrong times or um. But from a number of people, 668 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: I've heard similar things. So maybe across parts of the country. 669 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: It's still not really really hoppen. But I don't know 670 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: if you've seen a little better, haven't you. I'll tell 671 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: you the only chasing that we've seen is by immature box. 672 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: I have not seen I have, you know? Okay, so 673 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: that that mature dear that I missed. We have trill 674 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: camera pictures of him and Unix the add that with decidings. 675 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he slipped up to the dough yet, 676 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: and I don't think that the mature does. I don't know. 677 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: The ruck prediction said it was gonna be early this year, 678 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: I think, and this is just my opinion based on 679 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing from the tree stand. I don't know 680 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: if the first Does have come in to heat yet. 681 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't seem like, you know, there's that 682 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: it's to that point yet. But and I hope it 683 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: comes to the next couple of days, because we really 684 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: knew that to happen. But it's like tonight we saw 685 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: three does. The previous day we saw nothing but bucks. 686 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 1: So it's almost like the Does know that they're getting 687 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: ready to come into heat and they're trying to avoid 688 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: any contact with the bucks, and they're they're bedded down 689 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: all day long except for right at last light and 690 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: early in the morning. Um, so I don't know. It's 691 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: like I said, no, no mature bucks. Um I have 692 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: I've seen chase um just like one to one in 693 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: two year olds. And then other than that, Um, you know, 694 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: just your cruising bucks. That's it. Yeah, yeah, Well, hopefully 695 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: by next week we'll have something different to tell because 696 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: right now, right now, it's a little disheartening a little bit, 697 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: but it's the rut. Anything can happen any day now. 698 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: So um, fingers crossed, right right, right right, only thing 699 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: we need to do is try to kill two bucks. 700 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: And if Ryan is leaving after his hunt on Friday night, 701 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: so let's see Wednesday Thursday, so three days for him 702 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: to kill. And I think I'm gonna stick around Saturday, 703 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: so four days. So three days to kill, four days 704 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: to kill two bucks. I wonder if we can, hopefully 705 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: we can get it done. We need a hail Mary here, 706 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: all right, Well, I'll have my fingers and toes crossed 707 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: for it. I think there's a chance. There's a chance. 708 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: There's always a chance, and that's the truth. Well, it 709 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: is now time for us to get Jared on the line. 710 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: Here Dan, So how about we, uh we reconvene next 711 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: week to talk about our rout progress, and for now, 712 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: let's start talking extreme rut hunting tactics with Jared Scheffler 713 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: of white Tail Adrenaline. Perfect. Let's get him on the line, 714 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: all right. As we mentioned earlier, joining us today on 715 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast is Jared Scheffler of white 716 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Tail Adrenaline. Welcome to show. Jared, Yeah, thanks for having me. 717 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: Mark and Dan, Yeah, thanks for being here with us. 718 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: We're um. You know, as we talked a little bit 719 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: about before we started recording, I know this time of 720 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 1: year is crazy. It's crazy for me and Dan, so 721 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's crazy for you. So we know that 722 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: taking this extra time to talk it's uh, it's a sacrifice. 723 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: So thank you. You bet, no problem. Yeah. Now, you know, 724 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: as we briefly talked about in the intro, you know, 725 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: you produced the White Tail Adrenaline DVDs. But for those 726 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: out there who might not be familiar with them, can 727 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about, you know, what 728 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: white Tail Adrenaline is and what makes you guys so unique. Um, 729 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: there's a few different elements behind our our production and 730 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: our philosophy. I guess, uh, the first and probably the 731 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: most UM that people know about I guess what people 732 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: know about us is the public land aspect. We produce 733 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: all public land whitetail hunting videos, and that classifies any 734 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: land that's legally open for anybody else to hunt, so 735 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: any type of government program lands, anything that anybody else 736 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: can legally hunt. UM. So all of our content outside 737 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: of our first video, that's the only one that's uh, 738 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: it's a partial it's some public sum by permission. UM. 739 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: So we've we've done sixth straight this will be I 740 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: think the seven straight season of uh. It's it's a 741 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: blur for meat right now, but it's like six or 742 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: seven straight seasons the public land UM. Outside of that, 743 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: we've always been a sponsor free company UM, where we 744 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: just try and incorporate this regular guys uh going out 745 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: hunting and capture their and so to speak. UM. So 746 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: that's another aspect of it. UM. One of the later 747 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: aspects that has come over the past few years is 748 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: we do all of our hind um exclusively on the 749 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: ground UM in a very aggressive sort of fashion. UM. 750 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 1: And there's a multitude of reasons for that, but that's 751 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: another unique aspect of our videos. And then I'd say 752 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: that's probably the the core elements. Um. We also capture 753 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: everything all on a fly. It's on the scripted. It's 754 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: really got that raw, authentic feel. UM. We don't go 755 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: back and refilm uh stuff. So I think that's another 756 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: thing that kind of comes through. So yeah, I definitely 757 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: i'd say those are the things that have drawn me 758 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: to your as the videos to UM. I think, you know, 759 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: I first heard about you guys, um just from being 760 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: at different trade shows and stuff and seeing your booth 761 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And then eventually, um, it's seen enough times around, 762 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: was like, I need to just see these see these guys. 763 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: I think I saw one of the trailers for your 764 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: video maybe four years ago or five years ago or 765 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: something back then, and I watched it. I just thought 766 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: to myself, these guys are crazy. And then ever since then, 767 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, I've watched all your DVDs and I still 768 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: think you're crazy, but I love it. It's you know 769 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: well and and a lot of that. Uh. You know, 770 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: that craziness comes from hunting on the ground, and when 771 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: you're hunting public plan and you have that amount the 772 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: ancreage you can afford to take those risks, and I 773 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: feel like you almost have to take those risks in 774 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: order to get the type of results that that we do. Um. 775 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: Whereas if you would hunt like that on a smaller 776 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: acreage and they say a forty or an eighty, you know, 777 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: outside of this time of the year, you can get 778 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: away with it a little bit, but you're gonna probably 779 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: blow your area right out. Um. So uh, it works 780 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: out really well that that style that we incorporate, UM 781 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: on a public land aspect. Although back when I did 782 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: hunt private land, I hunted on the ground quite a bit. Um, 783 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: probably not at the at the aggressiveness level would I 784 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: do now, But um, I never felt like I really 785 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: blew out the area back then either. Um. But you know, 786 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: I think I had a couple hundred acres there, I 787 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: was dealing with lesson. I wasn't doing it every day, 788 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: and and so um yeah, yeah, well it it makes 789 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: for some really exciting hunts and video. I mean it's 790 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: just we, me and my buddies. We just get an 791 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: absolutely kick out of watching you guys because it's just 792 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: so different from anything else out there, and it's it's 793 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: just crazy intense and the encounters you ever, is unbelievable. 794 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: I still can't get over some of the stuff I've 795 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: seen you guys. I can't imagine, you know, what you've 796 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: actually lived through. Some of those encounters just look unreal. 797 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: Um So I'm curious though, Jared, this just kind of 798 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: popped in my head. But I've always wondered, you know, 799 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to like percent of you know, big 800 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: white tail hunters out there, we're all hunting from tree stands. 801 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: That's just kind of the norm that everyone talks about 802 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: that you see written about. How did you get started 803 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: on the ground, Why did why and how did this 804 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: become your preferred way to hunt white tails? Um? Well, Mark, 805 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: it actually goes back to when my first time I 806 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: can remember, I was sixteen years old and I, uh, 807 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, I was in high school and uh, daylight 808 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: savings changed and everything, and I only had about forty 809 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: five minutes to an hour before I handed it at school, right, 810 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: and it just I wanted to hunt in the worst way, 811 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: but there wasn't enough time in most of those situations 812 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: to get out to the tree. And then you're you'd 813 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: be sitting there for maybe a half or four or 814 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: five minutes and and then you got to call him 815 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: back down. And I had some some wide open area 816 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: that was a lot closer to the high school where 817 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: I went, and I was I was kind of sort 818 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: of making my way towards school one day and I 819 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: saw this big buck on this wide open grass. The 820 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: only thing out there was these giant power pools um 821 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: and uh. I went out on foot and uh, I 822 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: didn't get him, but I got toolete in about eighty 823 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: yards and that really kind of you know, I I 824 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: guess that's the first time I can remember hunting on 825 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: the ground. And then of course, later that day I 826 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: got my mom to call call in and I had 827 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment or something, and I can't remember the details. 828 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: And I did go out and I hung a tree 829 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: stand in one of those power pools, um, wide open, 830 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: just a power you know, just electrical power pools out there, 831 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: and and I saw there was two there had been 832 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: two big bucks out there, and I saw another one 833 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: and he wasn't making his way towards me. And finally 834 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: I just had enough of it. And when I was 835 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: running out of light, probably had a half hour of 836 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: light left, and he was four hundred yards away, so 837 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: I just climbed down and started making my way towards 838 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: him in person. He was coming towards me and all 839 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, in the seventeen yards and like a 840 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: six year old kid, he stopped, and I was drawn 841 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: and there was like two blades of grass between him 842 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: and high and I was thinking, well, he'llcake, surely take 843 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: another step, and and a little did I know that 844 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: two blades of grass probably wasn't going to deflect that 845 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: arrow any um, not with a fixed blade head anyway, 846 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: which I was shooting. And of course he never took 847 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: that stuff. He looked right at me, and I decided 848 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: to go the other way. So that really was the 849 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: first instance where I hunted on that I can remember 850 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: hunging on the ground, and then I periodically did that 851 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: along with point three, playing the you know, taking the 852 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: ten pound tree stands in in the dark in the morning, 853 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: hanging them, pulling them back down or at night over 854 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: the years, and then, uh, you know, I did that, 855 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: but I still hunt on the ground. And then it 856 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: was in two thousand and ten a few we had 857 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: filmed three videos, and it seemed like every time we 858 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: got a little bit more addressed with lying on the 859 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: ground we've got more results, and then I just you know, 860 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: just flashed in my head. I'm like, well, most of 861 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: the bucks have shot, I've done it on the ground, 862 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: and I've hunted much less on the ground, and I 863 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: have a lot of a tree stand side, and I 864 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: like the aspect of the camera at eye level with 865 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: the deer, and I thought that was unique. And it 866 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: also just when you when you're at eye level with 867 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: the deer, a big buck on the ground level, I 868 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: mean you're in that same world as he is. I 869 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: mean it's it's like you can almost feel and breathing. 870 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean he's right there, and there's just something that's 871 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: it's very exhilarating, I guess. So we decided let's take 872 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 1: one season and just hunt exclusively on the ground and 873 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: see how it goes. And our encounter rate went through 874 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: the rough on big box. UM. However, with that comes 875 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: there's a there's a learning curve to it. There's a 876 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: UM the hardest part I think about hunting white tails 877 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: on the ground typically just pulling off the shot and 878 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: when I found it on the ground, I mean like 879 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: when you're going after him or ken um or or 880 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: something like that. UM, especially with two guys out there. 881 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: A lot of times they do know that you're there 882 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: by the time you're about to take that shot, and 883 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: you can get caught up in rushing a shot or 884 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: forgetting Hey, this year is probably gonna duck ten inches 885 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: or things like that. So there's definitely been a you know, 886 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: our encounor rate has been a lot higher since we've 887 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: found it on the ground. But the the blowing shots 888 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: or you know, uh, messing up the shots as definitely 889 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: also increased a higher percentage as well. But like anything, 890 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: I think the more you do it, the better you're gonna. Um, 891 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna lessen that. I guess you could say. So 892 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: are these bucks when you when you start your stock 893 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: on them, are they betted or are they standing? Um? 894 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: I prefer to have them vetted, but um, they're not 895 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: always betted. Uh. I prefer having better just because obviously 896 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: I've got a little bit more time typically and I 897 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: can pick my route and I don't have to worry 898 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: about the wind. I can manipulate the wind direction a 899 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: lot easier because I have the time to get in 900 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: the position how I want to work towards him or whatnot. Um. 901 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: But sometimes we you know, we've got a buck that's 902 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: cruising or whatever. And uh, well yesterday, for instance, Um, 903 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: we were in Iowa and we had a big, big one, 904 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: probably a mid one sixties block and uh, we actually 905 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: bumped this here, we bumped a pointer checking out this piece, 906 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: and uh, he went running off and about thirty and 907 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh man, you know, I just blew that one. 908 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, Okay, how's he gonna look back on 909 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: the public. Can we give him about an hour and 910 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: slowly creep in where we think he went and maybe 911 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: stole him again? And Polis and I hear this trotting 912 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: and I look, and here's this mid once exis buck 913 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: ah trotting. And I don't know if he saw us 914 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: or picked up a little cent or what. But then 915 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: he stops um in the brush a little bit, maybe 916 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: a yards out, and he stood there for about ten minutes. 917 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 1: I actually thought you was gonna lay down, But the 918 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: wind blew towards him a couple of times. It was 919 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: really swirling in there, and I think he picked up 920 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: a little more and just mosied out. Well, we did 921 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: a big loop and we were only about maybe five 922 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: ten minutes behind, getting getting ahead of where he ended up. 923 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: He came out about eight yards through the woods and 924 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: beat us to where we thought we could cut him off. 925 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: So you know, we prefer to have them bettered, but 926 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: if they're cruising or whatnot, um, we'll we'll make an attempt. 927 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: Very rarely do we not get aggressive with him. Arman Town, 928 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: he is, they're there right now today, Let's go for 929 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: it because a lot of times we don't have all 930 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 1: season to play with them. Uh And the next day, 931 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, scroll hunters could be in there hunting, or 932 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: another bowl hunter could move in, or anything could happen 933 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: on a public land aspect that could completely you never 934 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: see that deer again the rest of the season. Um. 935 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: So we just saw a lot better results trying to 936 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: go after him. And if we blow it, we just 937 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: get aggressive and move on to the next spot or 938 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: the next you know, trying to find the next year. 939 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of our mentality on it. Yeah, that's definitely 940 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: a unique way of hunting, especially in the Wisconsin and 941 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: everybody you know, you take Midwestern states, you know, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, 942 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: you snak trees teams. But as far as this year 943 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: is going, um, how is how is your rut? Going 944 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: so far this season? What state did the hunting? Um, 945 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: I've further right here. I've started in Wisconsin, Iowa, and 946 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: then we just got to Kansas today. UM. I should 947 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: have probably never left Iowa. But our plan is hopefully 948 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: do well here in Kansas and then and then get 949 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: back to Iowa for a few days. So that's kind 950 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: of our tentative plan. But what are you seeing the movement? Uh, 951 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: probably the best world activity I've ever seen, bill, Um 952 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: this year we got actually two weeks today, there's only 953 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: been one day where we didn't see shooters. Um. Yeah, 954 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: that's I've never had a streak like that. Um. However, 955 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: I've also never had a streak where we've seen so 956 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: many shooters and not now I've gotten shots. Everything is 957 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: just seems like it's there's been multiple shooters that have 958 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: been close enough to get shots but just either too 959 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: many sticks or couldn't get them to stop, or you know. 960 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: I mean we had one that laid down thirty yards 961 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: away that came through and we just couldn't get a shot. 962 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: And also he laid down and there was a big, 963 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 1: big one that uh actually there's two of them that 964 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,760 Speaker 1: came in and uh, just one light down thirty yards away, 965 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: and and we could not give him. All we need 966 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: him to do was move two steps, and we couldn't 967 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: get him up on a seat, and finally got too dark, 968 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: and and that was that, you know. I mean we've 969 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: had multiple situations. I did blow a shot a week 970 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: ago in Wisconsin. I rattled one in and uh and 971 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: I I shot a little well and I had probably 972 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: two ft under him. Um it uh it was. I mean, 973 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm hunting with the wine boat, but I shouldn't hit 974 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: that well. I don't know what happened. But what are 975 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: you are you hunting in? That's that's a million dollar question, Dan. 976 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. Here's the thing I don't disclose. 977 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't disclose areas where I where I hunt for 978 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: obvious north east west? What's that north south east west? 979 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm not looking for a child. I usually tell people Hawaii, 980 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of build populations booming. What's 981 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: that their white trail populations booming. Oh yeah, it's excellent, excellent, 982 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: over the kind of tags, cheap flights everything. Um No, 983 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, as far as where I've haunted Iowa, I've 984 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: wanted uh, western south northeast, north central, and then kind 985 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: of central to UM and they're all good. I would 986 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 1: rank the southern part of the island's probably being the best, 987 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: and then central as being the next best. UM. That's 988 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 1: about all I wanted disclose. I started a rule a 989 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: few years back because it got a little bit out 990 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: of hand, and UH, I started rule that if you're 991 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: not on the trip, you don't get to find out 992 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: nothing that's something. Well, it just keeps everything simpler. So 993 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: I totally understand that. UM. So you said you've seen 994 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: more shooters than you've seen maybe ever or at least recently. 995 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: How many different encounters do you think you've had so 996 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:24,919 Speaker 1: far this year with shooter box in uh those fifteen days, 997 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: I guess counting today, UM actual encounters has probably been 998 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: about twenty. But about UM and UH, I guess like yesterday, 999 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: for instance, there was three of them that we had. 1000 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: We actually yesterday was the best day I've had in 1001 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,800 Speaker 1: a wooded environment for hunting, and we saw three ducks 1002 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: that were in the one six D one seventy five. 1003 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: Now in a wooden environment, you know, one of those 1004 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: in a day is probably the most I've ever had 1005 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: that I can think of of off the top of 1006 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,120 Speaker 1: my head. Um yeah, I don't know what was going on. 1007 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,479 Speaker 1: It was it was crazy. Furthermore, I have no idea 1008 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: how we couldn't close the deal on one of them. 1009 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,919 Speaker 1: We just the cars just haven't been in our favorite lately. 1010 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: As far as that goes, M it's it's been h 1011 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,760 Speaker 1: it's been a little nerve racking, I guess. But usually 1012 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean we we get, you know, two three encounters, 1013 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna get, we're gonna get a deer. That's usually 1014 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 1: how it how it goes, but not lately. So that's 1015 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 1: a perfect segue. Then I think into the main thing 1016 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,280 Speaker 1: we want to talk about today. Um, as I mentioned, 1017 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: wanted to focus our conversation on extreme aggressive hunting tactics, 1018 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: and so this follows right in your wheelhouse, Jared, given 1019 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: what you've already talked about and how we know you hunt. 1020 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: Um so maybe to kick things off on this front, 1021 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: can you maybe give us a high level idea of 1022 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: what your basic tactics or strategies are for hunting the 1023 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 1: rut this time of a year, you know, what are 1024 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: you basically doing? And then from there we'll dive into 1025 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:19,399 Speaker 1: some excuse me, specifics. Sure, okay. UM. In the wooded environments, 1026 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,360 Speaker 1: my tactic typically is, UM, we'll go into a piece. 1027 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: Let's say it's a brand new piece we've never been to, 1028 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of times that's the case. We're going 1029 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,439 Speaker 1: into brand new anchors we've never been to, and we'll 1030 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 1: move through it and a fairly good clip until we find, 1031 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, a good sign, whether it's it's got to 1032 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 1: be fresh looking sign to to where we're gonna put 1033 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,760 Speaker 1: the brakes on and slow our paste down. So because 1034 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: what we want to do it was the first thing 1035 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,320 Speaker 1: is you've got a lot of public land and we 1036 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: need to find out where today's hid spot is. UM, 1037 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, what they were doing last week or whatever 1038 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: doesn't really uh pertaining, you know, it's not something that 1039 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: we're interested in. UM, we need to make it happen 1040 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: right now today. So we're looking for a really fresh 1041 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: sign uh you know in places that uh are really happening. 1042 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: And so many times what we'll do is we'll go 1043 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: into the woods and we'll start at a walking pace 1044 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 1: and once we come across something that we feel like 1045 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,399 Speaker 1: we need to put the brakes on and slow down 1046 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: and start glass into the woods. We'll do that whether 1047 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 1: that takes bumping the deer, you know, bumping a doll 1048 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: or two, you know, And I've had this happen where 1049 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,319 Speaker 1: I bump a doll or two and they run off 1050 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: and they're just about out of sight and they kind 1051 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 1: of put on the brakes and you start glass in 1052 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: the woods. In ten fifteen minutes later, all the center 1053 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: buck shows up. I've even had them when the dolls 1054 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,840 Speaker 1: start blowing, but they don't completely leave the area. They 1055 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: just keep blowing. And I've had shooter box show up 1056 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,359 Speaker 1: like they're almost annoyed by the blowing, but by them 1057 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: those blowing, it tells them, you know, it looks a 1058 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,839 Speaker 1: bucking ball across the ridge. Hey, there's dose over there, 1059 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: and they're they're blowing that stuff all the time. Now, 1060 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: if a deer blows and leaves the entire area, that's 1061 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: that's not a good thing. But um, I don't really 1062 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: get wound up in the last few years when the 1063 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,280 Speaker 1: dose starts blowing until she completely leaves the area. Um 1064 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: I see it about every year where we bump a 1065 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: doll or something and she'll sit there and blow and 1066 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: blow and blow. And almost every year I can remember, 1067 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: for the last three years, that I've just put on 1068 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 1: the floop brakes. I've had a shooter show up at 1069 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 1: some point in the kind of fifteen minutes. Um So 1070 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't worry too much about bumping deer. A lot 1071 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: of times public and deer are used to being bumped too. 1072 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: Um So, I think they're towering. Bubble is a little 1073 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: bit higher. But you know, once we get into a 1074 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: spot that, uh that's hot, Like I said, we'll put 1075 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: on the brakes, will start class, and sometimes we will 1076 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: set up on the spot. I mean we'll we'll set 1077 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: up on the ground. We found spot in Wisconsin this 1078 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: year that I think it was every day we went 1079 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 1: in there, we had a shooter h in rain. We 1080 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: just we couldn't pull it together. That's a spot where 1081 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 1: I missed one. That was a spot that we didn't 1082 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: really you know, we we still hunted through it to 1083 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: find it. But then you know, we realized right away, hey, 1084 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 1: this is a pinch point location. And and I actually 1085 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: rattled in a couple of different shooters there, but only 1086 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: the one into the lane. So, um So that's a 1087 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: little bit about the wooden environment. I mean, if there 1088 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: if if we're going through the woods and we catched 1089 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of times. We'll be glassing these 1090 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:50,320 Speaker 1: like ridge points. Um in these you know, hilly areas. 1091 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 1: H these bucks they love to be on the ends 1092 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: of these ridge points. They love to sit up there. 1093 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: They can watch both sides a lot of times or 1094 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: or you know, ten twenty yards across and they look 1095 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: down the valley and so we'll we'll be at the 1096 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: bottom of the valley glass and up on those ridge points. Yesterday, 1097 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: in fact, one of the really big ones that we 1098 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: spotted it was doing just that. Um, it was up 1099 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,640 Speaker 1: on top of the ridge. But we just we didn't 1100 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: get there in time. Um. But that's kind of uh 1101 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Um. You know, in your 1102 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 1: more open woods. Basically we have to be moving at 1103 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,080 Speaker 1: a slow enough pace that deer can't hear us. And 1104 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,320 Speaker 1: if that kind of makes sense, if they can hear 1105 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: us coming before we can see them, they're already looking 1106 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: for us, Like what is that over there? If that 1107 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, And if any deer that you 1108 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,240 Speaker 1: know it is looking for you was going to see 1109 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: you first, and so if that kind of makes sense, 1110 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 1: it's it's something that once you start doing it, you 1111 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of figure out what you can get away with 1112 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: what you can't. How to walk, how to sound like 1113 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 1: a deer, kinda or something that's not a human. Humans 1114 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: typically they walk at a pretty steady, even pace. UM. 1115 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 1: And so you just kind of learned some of those 1116 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: techniques as you go. UM. Since we've started producing these 1117 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: videos this season, especially as you know where, people have 1118 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 1: messaged me a lot that Hey, I tried hunting on 1119 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: the Gunden this year. I shot the biggest buck I've 1120 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: ever shot, or I shot this by the big one. 1121 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,840 Speaker 1: I can you know six yards he came in or 1122 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean they're just blown away, Like I never thought 1123 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: you could hand on the ground like this. Um. I 1124 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,919 Speaker 1: believe it's something that most people can do very effectively, 1125 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: more effectively than they probably think. UM. And I mean 1126 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: just I think it was yesterday I got another one 1127 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: that came in I got shot at at six yards 1128 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,640 Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, and uh, I got one two days 1129 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,520 Speaker 1: before that from another guy similar situation. I can't remember 1130 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: it was inside of ten steps that he shot that 1131 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: one at. But um, and one other thing I do 1132 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,320 Speaker 1: want to mention is um, over the past few years 1133 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: we've taken on the ground level was taken head on 1134 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: shots on deer and you know traditionally you know it 1135 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: was it was actually an accident the first time, and 1136 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: it happened to me. Um, I bumped my trigger at 1137 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: least when I had one facing me and I had 1138 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: the pin right there. Well, it got me thinking, like, 1139 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, at head on level, I mean, you're driving 1140 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the air all right right home. And those are the 1141 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,479 Speaker 1: quickest skills I've ever seen in my life. In fact, 1142 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: one of the guys from the other day said the 1143 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 1: same thing, and it was about a ten twelve second deal. Um. 1144 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: I think that's a very common shot that happens on 1145 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the dollar, a very common angle. A lot of times. 1146 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 1: It seems like those deer if they do spot you 1147 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and they give you a few seconds, a lot of 1148 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 1: times they do square up with you, or they just 1149 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they're coming directly at you. That happens 1150 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: a lot. Um. That's actually become our favorite uh shot angle. Um, 1151 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 1: broadside has actually been one of our least least effective. Um, 1152 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 1: and I've thought about it a lot. Um. A head 1153 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,080 Speaker 1: on shot, there's no you don't have to worry about 1154 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 1: if they're going to take a step forward, or or 1155 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 1: even if they start to turn, you still got a 1156 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: quarter in two shots, which with a good broadhead isn't 1157 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: and you know, typically an issue. Um. And also if 1158 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 1: they duck a lot of times, they duck there the 1159 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 1: front of their bodies a lot more than their rear 1160 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, And so even if you kind 1161 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: of hit them high h like my buddy Shame here 1162 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: in the videos he had hit a deer high lash 1163 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,480 Speaker 1: year that was had on. It looked high, but it 1164 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 1: actually came out and that was the g five months 1165 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: I had fixed plant. It actually came out right between 1166 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: the back legs on the bottom side. So if that 1167 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, they're from what I've seen there 1168 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: their bottom graphs a lot more. So you've got you've 1169 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 1: got quite a bit of surface area and a lot 1170 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 1: of veins, and you're taking out a lot of vitals 1171 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,240 Speaker 1: on that angle. So um, I'm not going to suggest 1172 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: necessarily taking about advancement become our favorite shown angle on 1173 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 1: the ground. That is. That's interesting. So yeah, so you mentioned, 1174 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,360 Speaker 1: you know a lot of these tactics that you're using 1175 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,400 Speaker 1: in the wooded environments, Now, are you doing anything drastically 1176 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 1: different when you're in the wide open maybe prairie type 1177 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 1: environment like Kansas or something like that. Yes, yes, UM. 1178 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 1: In the wide open areas, typically we'll get to we'll 1179 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,600 Speaker 1: do one or two things. We'll get to an elevated position, 1180 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,480 Speaker 1: whether that's a big hill or some somewhere where we 1181 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,200 Speaker 1: can get up high and last a lot of areas, 1182 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: and uh, we're we're going to try and get a 1183 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 1: beat on on one whether we spot them, are you 1184 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: laying down or spot him in the morning, going to 1185 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,960 Speaker 1: lay down somewhere, and uh we'll try and you know, 1186 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,320 Speaker 1: I just spot them laying down and then playing our 1187 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: attack from there. UM. That's typically our tactic for the 1188 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: open areas. UM. Last year we got pretty effective with 1189 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: a homemade decloy that we we built where we'll we'll 1190 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,800 Speaker 1: find these these big ones that are locked down with 1191 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,800 Speaker 1: doors and then we'll we'll take this decoy in towards them. 1192 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,840 Speaker 1: And you know, we found the best results is to 1193 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: try and sneak in as close as you can with 1194 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: all them ever knowing or seeing the decoy, I mean, 1195 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 1: and then get in the position and then try and 1196 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 1: get that buck to come over to run you off, 1197 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 1: which from behind that deco I can get. Uh. It's 1198 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: dangerous for one, but our philosophy is those rock climbing 1199 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of other things that you could do. Um, 1200 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: so we're willing to accept that and take those risks. Uh, 1201 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: and we could get injured or something that very bad 1202 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: could go wrong. I mean you're dealing with a but 1203 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,600 Speaker 1: sure animal, but is you know, fight mode. It's it's 1204 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: not safe, but it sure is a rush and it 1205 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 1: can be effective. Yeah. The footage I've seen of you 1206 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: guys doing that so far is just incredible. Um, so curious. 1207 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious two things. Number One, Um, I'd like to 1208 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: hear if you haven't had any close calls where you 1209 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,720 Speaker 1: thought you might uh, you know, come away with a 1210 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,080 Speaker 1: with a skewed wherever or something like that. But then 1211 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: number two, I would love to love to hear details about, 1212 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, how you're going about with the decoin set up. 1213 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, how are you thinking about the wind, how 1214 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: you approach, when do you do it? I'd love some 1215 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,920 Speaker 1: details on it too. Sure, Um, we haven't had anything 1216 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,440 Speaker 1: super close to happen as far as like one that 1217 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,320 Speaker 1: actually you know attacked us. Um. The closest probably was 1218 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: uh one that I shot last year at just inside 1219 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: of seven steps, you know, And he was marching in 1220 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: and if I would have let him, he would have 1221 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: he would have charged, and he would have charged the 1222 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: decoy which I was directly behind it, and who knows 1223 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,080 Speaker 1: what would have happened. We we do think that at 1224 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: some point, um, even if we do get an arrow 1225 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: in one, he probably will just commit and keep coming. Um. 1226 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,320 Speaker 1: So uh, I'm not sure what's going to happen from 1227 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: that point forward, but you know, it's very likely that 1228 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: that will happen at some point. Um. And then when 1229 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,200 Speaker 1: I was filming Shay last year on this really big buck, 1230 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I thought that I was gonna have to make a 1231 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: nine one one call any minute, but that never things. 1232 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: So we'll see, I'll I might have more reports within 1233 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,560 Speaker 1: the next week. Yeah, we're actually keep an eye out 1234 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 1: on your Facebook page. Yeah so um but yeah, as 1235 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:17,120 Speaker 1: far as uh, you mentioned a little bit about our tactic. 1236 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Once we have one spotted. Um in these wide open areas, 1237 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,479 Speaker 1: a lot of times they like to cover miles, even 1238 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 1: if they got to deal with them in the morning. Um. 1239 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,640 Speaker 1: We've we uh, we've watched them go for five six 1240 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: miles in a crack in these wide open areas. Uh, 1241 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:40,000 Speaker 1: it's been pretty surprising. I mean, I would have never 1242 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 1: thought that a deer would cover that I'm on the train, 1243 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,800 Speaker 1: but they will. Um. And when there was a doll 1244 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:52,800 Speaker 1: like that, obviously, UM, you know, we're gonna wait for 1245 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: them to settle down and uh and hopefully this happens 1246 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of times where we're dealing with hundred and 1247 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,240 Speaker 1: six acres of public here and then maybe three hundred 1248 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,800 Speaker 1: acres of private here, and then you know, maybe a 1249 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,640 Speaker 1: full square of public over here. And sometimes they land 1250 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 1: on public and sometimes they land on private, you know, 1251 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,040 Speaker 1: and so you don't always get to play with them, 1252 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes you might end up watching them for an 1253 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:25,000 Speaker 1: hour before um, all of a sudden they decide they're 1254 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna lay down on private and there's nothing you can do. UM. 1255 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: So that happens sometimes as well. But once we have 1256 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,640 Speaker 1: them spotted, um, we plan our attack. Once we have 1257 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 1: them spotted in there, we we figured they're going to 1258 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,599 Speaker 1: stay there for a little a little while, enough time 1259 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 1: for us to get in. What we do from that 1260 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,920 Speaker 1: point is obviously where's the wind blowing from. How can 1261 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,640 Speaker 1: we get in on them? Um, you know, using the 1262 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: wind to our best advantage. And then also you know 1263 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,759 Speaker 1: what's going to be the best route to UM sneak 1264 01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: in undetected as closest we possibly can um. And then also, uh, 1265 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're factoring in how they're lane, which 1266 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,840 Speaker 1: direction they're looking, all those kinds of things. UM. On 1267 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: windy days, that decoy just it's it doesn't really work 1268 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:18,000 Speaker 1: because it gets blown all over. So we have to 1269 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,680 Speaker 1: resort to, you know a lot of times crawling on 1270 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,160 Speaker 1: our hands and knees, which is fun too. UM. We 1271 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,840 Speaker 1: had a really close call last year on a big 1272 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: nine pointer and uh, this one day, we didn't know 1273 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 1: exactly where it was, but when we were somewhere in 1274 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 1: these weeds and we were five steps from him before 1275 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 1: we realized it and and it was too late. Um, 1276 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,720 Speaker 1: so uh we were we were right on top of them. 1277 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,720 Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work to use that decoy, and 1278 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: not always is the decoy the best option. It just 1279 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,720 Speaker 1: depends on the situation. But that's kind of our kind 1280 01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of our approach in those wide open areas that during 1281 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 1: during the rut is to uh, you know, just spot 1282 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,920 Speaker 1: them and and plan your attack. What we have found 1283 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: is if they're on the move, even if you know 1284 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,240 Speaker 1: they're going across a square mile, by the time you 1285 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,040 Speaker 1: get around the other side of the square with the 1286 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:20,680 Speaker 1: vehicle and to get try and find a spot to 1287 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,759 Speaker 1: get into position, they're already through it. That's how much grounic. 1288 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: It does not take them five minutes hardly to cover 1289 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:31,599 Speaker 1: a square mile. Um So, yeah, it's uh, it's pretty crazy. 1290 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Um we have not yet once been able to get 1291 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:40,520 Speaker 1: one square ahead of them before they're already they're basically 1292 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,439 Speaker 1: um so, and I mean trying to get two squares 1293 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 1: ahead of them. You lose sight of them, and then 1294 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,080 Speaker 1: they go they decide okay, we're gonna they cut, decided 1295 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,560 Speaker 1: to cut south, and then all of a sudden you 1296 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,880 Speaker 1: don't have a vision on them. So um in these 1297 01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,600 Speaker 1: wide open areas, a lot of times we will just 1298 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,280 Speaker 1: stay in the vehicle maybe three quarters of a mile away, 1299 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,439 Speaker 1: watching them, tail on them, trying to figure out whether 1300 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 1: you know where they're going, and keeping an eye on them, 1301 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: because once you lose visual, you're probably gonna lose them 1302 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:17,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the day. So yeah. So so you know, 1303 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,800 Speaker 1: whether it be in wood environments or open areas like that, 1304 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,040 Speaker 1: are you hunting drastically different during the rut then you 1305 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: would if you were you know, employing the same type 1306 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,320 Speaker 1: of all the ground spot stock methods that's say, in 1307 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,360 Speaker 1: early October, or is it basically, you know the same thing. 1308 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,760 Speaker 1: You're walking and looking for signing and then slowing down, 1309 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: or you're glassng spotting and moving in is it different 1310 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: or the same all year? Um? Early October when I 1311 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, this year was the first year where I 1312 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: didn't really hunt on early October at all in Wisconsin, 1313 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,000 Speaker 1: where I normally would because we try to out of 1314 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:57,320 Speaker 1: state trip. But um, typically what I do it during 1315 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,280 Speaker 1: the early October is I'll go into a new piece 1316 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 1: every time I go out, and I don't really it's 1317 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,800 Speaker 1: more of a scouting session. I'm hunting, and I'm I'm 1318 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,120 Speaker 1: probably walking or still hunting, you know, going at a 1319 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, a walking pace or you know or a 1320 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,120 Speaker 1: slow walk pace, or sometimes I might walk a few 1321 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: steps and take a couple of minutes. But basically, my 1322 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,519 Speaker 1: my mission for that day, usually in early October, is 1323 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,599 Speaker 1: to decide what places I want to key in late October. 1324 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,560 Speaker 1: That's kind of my mission, um is to find a 1325 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:40,000 Speaker 1: few places that are holding you know, some doughs where 1326 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I can you know, creep in there during late October 1327 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and trying glass a buck you know, that's that's in 1328 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,600 Speaker 1: and around that dope betting area or even set up 1329 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:56,160 Speaker 1: you know that dope betting area. Um So that's kind 1330 01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: of my approach in early October. I don't really go 1331 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,800 Speaker 1: out with with the focus of I'm going to try 1332 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and fill my take today. My mentality is trying to 1333 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,479 Speaker 1: find the places that you want to zone in on 1334 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: more or late October really November. Okay, that's something you 1335 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,200 Speaker 1: mentioned there might tie into this, but um, when you're 1336 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,160 Speaker 1: heading into these areas then let's say this time of year, Um, 1337 01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, are you keying in on specific things like 1338 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,280 Speaker 1: a doe betting area like you mentioned there, or you 1339 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,320 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that you you found a pinch point you 1340 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,519 Speaker 1: set up there. You know, when you start your walks, 1341 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 1: are those things you're specifically looking for and if you 1342 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,440 Speaker 1: find it, you then focus your time there more ants 1343 01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Not, you know, in early October, I 1344 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: won't target like, you know, like say a doe betting 1345 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:49,120 Speaker 1: area or anything. Um. I'm basically you know, let's say 1346 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,599 Speaker 1: I walk into a place and I jumped, say four 1347 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,040 Speaker 1: or five dollars or something. You know, Uh, it's not 1348 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: the right time of the year from me to zone 1349 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 1: in on that. But I know that late October that's 1350 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,080 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna want be. Late late October in Wisconsin, 1351 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,680 Speaker 1: early November, that's where I'm gonna want to be, you know, 1352 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: not maybe so much on the rubs or the scrapes. 1353 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we'll still find fresh scrapes in late 1354 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:16,760 Speaker 1: late October early November, but that isn't really where you know, 1355 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: the big bucks are keen in most of them. You know, 1356 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,840 Speaker 1: they're not so much concerned with those that they might 1357 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 1: be a you know, they might be happened to be 1358 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,680 Speaker 1: in a pinch point those rubs and scrapes, which might 1359 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,760 Speaker 1: not be a bad location if there's a betting area 1360 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,880 Speaker 1: somewhere on each side of it. They might be using 1361 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,639 Speaker 1: that pinch point, and so we might naturally be set 1362 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,599 Speaker 1: up there, um, not so much because of the rubs 1363 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,200 Speaker 1: of the scrapes, but because you know, because of the 1364 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,400 Speaker 1: rugs and scrapes of they frequency there, so we know 1365 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,560 Speaker 1: they're going to use me to get from the store. 1366 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,280 Speaker 1: That kind of makes sense, Yeah, definitely, And so it 1367 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like, you know, during the rut, you 1368 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,640 Speaker 1: are basically keying in on the same areas that you know, 1369 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,880 Speaker 1: everybody hunting a tree stance, kying in on right, you're 1370 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: looking for betting your is and pinch points and what. 1371 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,160 Speaker 1: You're just finding those spots and then moving through them 1372 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,840 Speaker 1: until you find more activity versus specific or picking a 1373 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,479 Speaker 1: specific spot there and waiting right right. And I mean, 1374 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,240 Speaker 1: like I said, public land dear a lot of times 1375 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 1: they're more tolerant, so you can bump these you know, 1376 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,519 Speaker 1: four or five dollars or whatever is in there out 1377 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,120 Speaker 1: in early October and pretty safe that you're not gonna 1378 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:31,400 Speaker 1: mess anything up for late October as far as you 1379 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: know that goes, because they're used to getting bumped occasionally. 1380 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,200 Speaker 1: So um, I'm not so worried about that. But yeah, 1381 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm keen in on those same types of places where 1382 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,040 Speaker 1: you would with a tree stand. I'm just um, you know, 1383 01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: in in late October early November, we might go into 1384 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,479 Speaker 1: the woods and we might still hunt through some of 1385 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,680 Speaker 1: those areas and we might set up shop depending on 1386 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 1: that's where there's a sense of there's a sense of 1387 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,599 Speaker 1: feel that happens every time we go out, you know, um, 1388 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,400 Speaker 1: if that kind of makes sense, Like yesterday it just 1389 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,640 Speaker 1: felt hot, but today we go into that spot or 1390 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,120 Speaker 1: or whatever, and maybe it just doesn't have that same 1391 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,800 Speaker 1: feel to it, you know, whether it's the activity or 1392 01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 1: or something, it doesn't have that same feel. We might 1393 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,479 Speaker 1: bust out of there and go to another spot. Um, 1394 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 1: we're not waiting for a spot to get hot. Um 1395 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 1: if that kind of makes sense, and we might come 1396 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,000 Speaker 1: back in a couple of days. But I don't know. 1397 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,559 Speaker 1: That's Uh, it's really hard to I think the more 1398 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,080 Speaker 1: you do it, the more you just kind of gain 1399 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,960 Speaker 1: that sense of feel for when it's time to pack 1400 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,439 Speaker 1: up shop and and go to another spot, whether that's 1401 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,280 Speaker 1: for the day or the rest of the season, you're 1402 01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,160 Speaker 1: gonna scratch it off the list. Um. I think no 1403 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,320 Speaker 1: one want to pull the plug on a spot is 1404 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,519 Speaker 1: very key, you know. Yeah, I think that's something that 1405 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,240 Speaker 1: people struggle with, whether they be in a situation like 1406 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 1: yours or even just you know hunting tree stands. The 1407 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: same thing goes. You know, when's the spot cold and 1408 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,840 Speaker 1: you need to move on somewhere else. That's a tough 1409 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,280 Speaker 1: it's a tough call to make right right And I mean, 1410 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,840 Speaker 1: when we find a hot spot, we'll milk it for 1411 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,360 Speaker 1: everything it's worth. Um, you know, we'll go in there continually. UM. 1412 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Like this once pobably found this year in Wisconsin. I 1413 01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,519 Speaker 1: think it was five or six days in a row 1414 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,559 Speaker 1: that we hunted it. We had shooters come through every day, UM, 1415 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: and we just kept and there were different bucks, um, 1416 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,680 Speaker 1: and we just kept milk and while it was hot, 1417 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of times there's not a lot of 1418 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 1: spots that stay hot all season long. You know, they're 1419 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,120 Speaker 1: going spurts, um. And so when they are hot like that, 1420 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, we just get in there and and like 1421 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,479 Speaker 1: I said, milk it till it's dry. And as soon 1422 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,840 Speaker 1: as we sense it's going dry, we're onto the next piece. 1423 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,880 Speaker 1: We call it not getting a emotionally attached to spots. UM. 1424 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,599 Speaker 1: It's it's very easy to do, especially the more time 1425 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: a person invests in a spot. It's very easy to 1426 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,559 Speaker 1: get comfortable. I mean we as humans, um, we develop 1427 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,080 Speaker 1: you know habits. You know, you go into one restaurant 1428 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,160 Speaker 1: restaurant one time, and if you seat yourself, chances are 1429 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,000 Speaker 1: if you go back again, you'll see yourself in the 1430 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,800 Speaker 1: same spot. UM. So it's very easy to get comfortable 1431 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: with going back to that same spot. And we try 1432 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:37,120 Speaker 1: and always keep that in our you know, conscious mind, like, 1433 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,559 Speaker 1: are we getting locked down to this spot? I mean, 1434 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,599 Speaker 1: if it's really truly hot, it's worth being locked down. 1435 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,040 Speaker 1: But we you know, we're always very aware of when 1436 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,839 Speaker 1: to pull that plug and are we getting emotionally attached 1437 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,000 Speaker 1: to this spot that's going dry? If that kind of 1438 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, it's so applicable to to two guys 1439 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,840 Speaker 1: hunting from stands. Right, There's so many people that have 1440 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 1: their favorite tree stand and they got to it time 1441 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,600 Speaker 1: and time again, and h it's like you said, you 1442 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,880 Speaker 1: get attached to it, it becomes comfortable, it's easy, and 1443 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,720 Speaker 1: lots of times that's uh, you're missing out on some 1444 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,920 Speaker 1: real action elsewhere. So right, and you bring up a 1445 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,320 Speaker 1: good point. Um, that's another thing with hunting on the ground. 1446 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,800 Speaker 1: It's very easy for us to you know, get in 1447 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,559 Speaker 1: and honest places and move on to the next spot. Um. 1448 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 1: Whereas like you were mentioned, you know, if you've got 1449 01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,920 Speaker 1: a tree stand said, it's very easy to you know, 1450 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,519 Speaker 1: it's it's not a lot of work to go back 1451 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 1: into that spot. But let's say that's your only tree 1452 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,240 Speaker 1: stand set and you've got to think about pulling that 1453 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,519 Speaker 1: tree stand down and relocating it or or whatever. Um, 1454 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,479 Speaker 1: it was a little bit more work and effort involved 1455 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,519 Speaker 1: in that. And uh, it's really easy when you hunt 1456 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,840 Speaker 1: on the ground to just go into a spot and 1457 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: and pull off. There's not there's a less investment as 1458 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,240 Speaker 1: far as that goes. If that kind of makes sense. 1459 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've definitely battled with that question myself to 1460 01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,639 Speaker 1: a want to deal with pulling this whole tree stand 1461 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,280 Speaker 1: down and moving under yards and put the whole dang 1462 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:09,519 Speaker 1: thing back up again, right right, Those that wish the ground, yeah, 1463 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,600 Speaker 1: And I mean you you'd be surprised at what I 1464 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 1: think what a person can get away with on the ground, 1465 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 1: Um you know. I mean that's primarily how they hunted 1466 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: forty years ago, and they didn't do it with the 1467 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,360 Speaker 1: bowls we have today, um or the or the camel 1468 01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:29,120 Speaker 1: flash that we have today. Um, you know. And uh, 1469 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I think hunting on the ground is a very effective. 1470 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,639 Speaker 1: In fact, I think it's it's probably the best skill 1471 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,720 Speaker 1: that we've developed, all right, and then not that we've 1472 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,759 Speaker 1: fully developed it, but um, you know, we're continually learning 1473 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,759 Speaker 1: and seeing where we've done things wrong. But it's definitely 1474 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,559 Speaker 1: if we went away from that, are opportunity and counter 1475 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:59,400 Speaker 1: rate would go way downhill, I think so, So I 1476 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 1: want to I want to ask you about a situation 1477 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,439 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of our listeners probably will encounter. 1478 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,040 Speaker 1: And so, you know, the vast majority of other hunters 1479 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,479 Speaker 1: are hunting from tree stands, but there is a situation 1480 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,960 Speaker 1: where lots of times hunters are placed in a situation 1481 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,120 Speaker 1: where they might consider going down on the ground, and 1482 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,360 Speaker 1: that's when they're hunting during the rut. Let's say I'm 1483 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,960 Speaker 1: sitting up in my tree stand tomorrow, it's about ten 1484 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,439 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, and I see a buck and 1485 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,880 Speaker 1: a dough walk out and just maybe maybe some tall 1486 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,280 Speaker 1: grass or some bedding cover, and I see that dough 1487 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,840 Speaker 1: bed down, and then the buck beds down next to her. 1488 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little bit it's a little bit windy 1489 01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,880 Speaker 1: that day, And now I'm sitting here thinking, should I 1490 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,639 Speaker 1: try to stalk in on that buck better with the dough? 1491 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,720 Speaker 1: This is I've seen people do this before. I've seen 1492 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,280 Speaker 1: people talk about those doing this before. But I've also 1493 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 1: heard people talk about that too risky or too many, 1494 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,240 Speaker 1: too many things and go wrong. So my question for you, Jared, 1495 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,679 Speaker 1: is if I'm sitting there and I see this buck 1496 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: better with a dough. Can you walk us through how 1497 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,519 Speaker 1: you would make the decision on you know, when is 1498 01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,120 Speaker 1: it a good time moving on a deer like that? 1499 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: When is it a good on to hold back? And 1500 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,439 Speaker 1: then you know, how are you going about making that 1501 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,160 Speaker 1: move in this case where I'm up in the stand 1502 01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,800 Speaker 1: and you decide should I go? How should I do it? Sure? Um, 1503 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:15,000 Speaker 1: the first thing that I would evaluate is, um, where 1504 01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,800 Speaker 1: I think they're going to go next after they get up, um, 1505 01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,639 Speaker 1: because that's probably going to determine a lot of how 1506 01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,640 Speaker 1: I would move in on that animal. Um, you know, 1507 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,120 Speaker 1: depending if the wind's gonna work for me in that 1508 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,320 Speaker 1: situation too. And a lot of times we'll do what 1509 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,200 Speaker 1: we call cheat the wind, where let's say you've got 1510 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,560 Speaker 1: a pretty continuous you know, the winds blown in a 1511 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,640 Speaker 1: pretty straight line where it's not swirling really, it's not 1512 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,840 Speaker 1: slaying a whole lot. It's blown north pretty much the 1513 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 1: same direction all the time. But you've got a very 1514 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,800 Speaker 1: slight window where those deer are going to have to 1515 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,320 Speaker 1: be an order to smell you. And we've done this 1516 01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,840 Speaker 1: before where we'll we'll come in and those deer might 1517 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: feel like they're down wind of the danger of the 1518 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,040 Speaker 1: had But if unless they're on that exact sent stream, 1519 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,840 Speaker 1: they're probably not going to smell you. As long as 1520 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: that wind's blown. And you've seen it before in your 1521 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,200 Speaker 1: tree stand steps, you see where the wind's blown, and 1522 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,360 Speaker 1: as soon as they get to that spot that you've 1523 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 1: identified right where that winds blown, that's when they smell 1524 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:23,000 Speaker 1: you if they're going to um. So that's the first 1525 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,240 Speaker 1: thing that's going to run through my head is where 1526 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I think they're going to go next, and how, you know, 1527 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,679 Speaker 1: can I work that route to get in a position 1528 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,120 Speaker 1: and start to you know, let's say I've got to 1529 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,439 Speaker 1: do a little loop on them. Let's say there a 1530 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,080 Speaker 1: hundred yards out and uh, I think they're going to 1531 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,880 Speaker 1: go straight the other way on the other side of 1532 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,479 Speaker 1: where I'm that. Well, I'm probably going to do a 1533 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 1: loop and get around to where I think they're going 1534 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,040 Speaker 1: to go next and come in from that angle, just 1535 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,080 Speaker 1: in case they decided to get up while I'm still 1536 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,439 Speaker 1: trying to sneak in and go that direction. Um. However, 1537 01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,439 Speaker 1: if the wind's blowing really strong and I know that 1538 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I can close that gap where they're at in a 1539 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,600 Speaker 1: very short time, I might just in that case I 1540 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 1: would maybe just climb down and take my chances that 1541 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna lay there long enough for me to get 1542 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:15,280 Speaker 1: in there and you know, close that distance obviously. Yeah, 1543 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,880 Speaker 1: closer you get and you know, quieter and everything like that, 1544 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,080 Speaker 1: you've got to bee. Um. What one thing that I 1545 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 1: have learned is if they can't see or hear, you 1546 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,400 Speaker 1: move as fast as you possibly can to close that distance. 1547 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,840 Speaker 1: Because I've had this happen in multiple cases where we 1548 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,880 Speaker 1: could have moved faster and we didn't and we were 1549 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: five minutes too late or just a couple of minutes 1550 01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:48,240 Speaker 1: too right. Um. So I would recommend moving as fast 1551 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,200 Speaker 1: as you can in a situations to close like that distance. 1552 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,559 Speaker 1: And then once you're getting close, you know, you got 1553 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,200 Speaker 1: to put on the brakes. Um. And the other thing 1554 01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,360 Speaker 1: that I found is, um, I never try and take 1555 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:05,200 Speaker 1: my eye off um. You know, every time I'm taking 1556 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,320 Speaker 1: a step, I'm not trying to move my head a lot. 1557 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 1: I'm keeping my eyes on them, and I might glance 1558 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,080 Speaker 1: down at where I'm going to go next, but before 1559 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,639 Speaker 1: I move, I'm glancing right back up and watching them. 1560 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,200 Speaker 1: Because multiple times we you know, this has happened a 1561 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,200 Speaker 1: lot where you know they might hear something and they 1562 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 1: might kind of look your weight for a little bit, 1563 01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:32,160 Speaker 1: and then they decide, well, that was a bird or 1564 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: a squirrel or whatever it's whatever is over. There's not 1565 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:39,599 Speaker 1: a threat, you know, but if you weren't watching them, 1566 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna pick you off. Moving movement is my front, 1567 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 1: the biggest factor. And I've also had times where they 1568 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,519 Speaker 1: do pick up a little movement and they stare you 1569 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: down for five minutes and then they dropped their head 1570 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,000 Speaker 1: and pretend like they're not looking at you to try 1571 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,280 Speaker 1: and get you to move again. It happens pretty much 1572 01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,840 Speaker 1: every time, and they stay down for five minutes. If 1573 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,599 Speaker 1: they haven't gon out of the area and left, they 1574 01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,040 Speaker 1: haven't decided yet that a year a human or b 1575 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,720 Speaker 1: year a threat one or the other or a combination um, 1576 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,880 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll almost always do that. They'll put their 1577 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,600 Speaker 1: head I wait for it, or we wait for it, 1578 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, we wait for them to put their head down, 1579 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,000 Speaker 1: pretend like they're not looking to get you to move again. 1580 01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,200 Speaker 1: And almost always they'll snap their head up to try 1581 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,080 Speaker 1: and get a flinch or wiggle or something. And they 1582 01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:29,760 Speaker 1: might do that a couple of times, and and a 1583 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,280 Speaker 1: lot of times they'll grow comfortable. If you just can 1584 01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,879 Speaker 1: freeze and hold that position, it might be tens fifteen 1585 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,240 Speaker 1: minutes and your muscles might be getting pretty war down. 1586 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,720 Speaker 1: But they a lot of times they'll get comfortable and 1587 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,639 Speaker 1: forget about you after they've decided that you're nothing at all, 1588 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,840 Speaker 1: and then you can kind of go on your way again. Um. 1589 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,840 Speaker 1: So we have had that happen quite a bad Um. 1590 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,360 Speaker 1: But definitely you gotta keep your eyes on them when 1591 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,880 Speaker 1: you're moving because movement's probably what's going to kill you. Yeah. 1592 01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,000 Speaker 1: So so let's say you get to within range, and 1593 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,400 Speaker 1: let's say they're still better there the buccan does bettered 1594 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,920 Speaker 1: you were able to get within shooting range. What would 1595 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,599 Speaker 1: you recommend someone do at the very at that final moments. 1596 01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,519 Speaker 1: Do you try to do something to get that buck 1597 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:15,960 Speaker 1: to stand up so you can get a shot, or 1598 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,080 Speaker 1: will you just stand there and wait however long it 1599 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,439 Speaker 1: takes till he naturally stands up. Um, that depends on 1600 01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,960 Speaker 1: the the situation, But I'd say most of the times 1601 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,880 Speaker 1: i'd wait. Um. The problem with waiting is they can 1602 01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,400 Speaker 1: catch you off guard when they're gonna when they're going 1603 01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,080 Speaker 1: to finally stand up, you know, and all of a sudden, 1604 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,320 Speaker 1: you might not be prepared, because it might be two 1605 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,599 Speaker 1: three hours and all of a sudden they decide they're 1606 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,400 Speaker 1: going to stand up, and uh, and they do, and 1607 01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,280 Speaker 1: maybe they they catch you, or maybe you can't get 1608 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,320 Speaker 1: drawn and because you might have a small window where 1609 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,080 Speaker 1: you can get a shot in, you know, or maybe 1610 01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,920 Speaker 1: they'll stand up and not give you a shot. Maybe 1611 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,080 Speaker 1: they'll be you know, stand up and start in the 1612 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:03,280 Speaker 1: face straight away. Right. Um. So I guess we've never 1613 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:08,080 Speaker 1: taken a shot on a bedded deer. We've always pretty 1614 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:13,240 Speaker 1: much waited for them to stand Um. There may be situations, saying, 1615 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,320 Speaker 1: like a wide open area where you could take like 1616 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,120 Speaker 1: a clump of a rock or something and throw it 1617 01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,920 Speaker 1: over the other side of them to get him to 1618 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,800 Speaker 1: stand up and look over away from you, that maybe 1619 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,240 Speaker 1: it would be a good situation to to do something 1620 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 1: like that. And there's one particular deer that I'm thinking 1621 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,400 Speaker 1: of in my head where I was. I was filling 1622 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,800 Speaker 1: a buddy of mine and and I wish we would 1623 01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,960 Speaker 1: have done that. We got to about twelve steps of 1624 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,840 Speaker 1: this year, and U and he had done there for 1625 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,360 Speaker 1: I think five hours, and he just decided to stand 1626 01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,280 Speaker 1: up and we had been kind of looking for something 1627 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,240 Speaker 1: to throw on the other side of him. But just 1628 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, I could have grabbed the camera battery or 1629 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,160 Speaker 1: something and chucked it over there, you know. But you know, 1630 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,920 Speaker 1: I mean, and that would have been a good case 1631 01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,639 Speaker 1: to do it because we were in the wide open 1632 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,639 Speaker 1: and as soon as that dear student it was probably 1633 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,519 Speaker 1: gonna bust us. He just he couldn't we're using the 1634 01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,799 Speaker 1: wide open as soon as he stood up. But outside 1635 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,599 Speaker 1: of that, he couldn't see us when we were sneaking 1636 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,599 Speaker 1: and really so um but most of the time, yeah, 1637 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:18,519 Speaker 1: I'd probably recommend waiting if you can, um. But you know, 1638 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,480 Speaker 1: that's all up to the It depends on the situation 1639 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,360 Speaker 1: how comfortable. That's a determination for the person in that situation, 1640 01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:31,559 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, okay, okay, that's helpful. So my final 1641 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,599 Speaker 1: kind of question the topic here during this time of year, 1642 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,200 Speaker 1: during the rut, are you doing any calling and rattling 1643 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:40,960 Speaker 1: and if so, you know, can you tell us a 1644 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,120 Speaker 1: little bit about your thoughts on that and your strategy 1645 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:48,760 Speaker 1: when and how you use those tactics? Sure? Um, this 1646 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,360 Speaker 1: season is the first season in a while where IVE 1647 01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:57,200 Speaker 1: called more than I typically would Um, Usually what I 1648 01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,120 Speaker 1: like to do is late quiet on a deer and 1649 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,880 Speaker 1: not let him know I'm there at all. I'm going 1650 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,720 Speaker 1: to move in rather than try to get him to come, 1651 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,000 Speaker 1: because you know, he might come in down wind and 1652 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,040 Speaker 1: with two of us fair you might smell on us, 1653 01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:15,439 Speaker 1: you know. And we've we've had pretty good results spotting 1654 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,439 Speaker 1: them and moving in on them or getting ahead of them, 1655 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:24,519 Speaker 1: so we typically lay quiet. However, Ah, this this season, UM, 1656 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,439 Speaker 1: this one particular spot we weren't really you know, it 1657 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,120 Speaker 1: was a pinch point. It was a hot spot as 1658 01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,680 Speaker 1: a spot that you had to set up on you 1659 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,320 Speaker 1: couldn't really still hunted. I mean, didn't take you a 1660 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,720 Speaker 1: half hour is still hunting a half hour after you left, 1661 01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,680 Speaker 1: A big one could come cruising through there. You know. 1662 01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,240 Speaker 1: It's one of those kinds of spots. So it really 1663 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 1: made sense to to to sit there and set up. 1664 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,840 Speaker 1: And that was a spot where you know, occasionally I 1665 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,960 Speaker 1: would hit the horn, hit the horns or or whatnot. Um. 1666 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,600 Speaker 1: And it was also about a hundred yards from some 1667 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:03,280 Speaker 1: some private land where I knew that there might be 1668 01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,880 Speaker 1: a buck right on the other side that you know, 1669 01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,960 Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't gonna come or whatever that I can't 1670 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,439 Speaker 1: do anything about other than rattle or or something of 1671 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:18,479 Speaker 1: that nature. And so um, you know I called in 1672 01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,240 Speaker 1: a couple a couple of bucks in that particular spot. 1673 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,360 Speaker 1: Utilizing that typically when I hit the horns. What I 1674 01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,360 Speaker 1: like to do. I like being on the ground, for one, 1675 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,880 Speaker 1: because you can break the leaves. You can take the 1676 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,519 Speaker 1: antler and make it sound like a deer walking, you know, 1677 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,320 Speaker 1: by pounding the basin of the leaves, and you can 1678 01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,200 Speaker 1: do a lot of that um type of natural sounds. 1679 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:43,760 Speaker 1: You know, you know what I mean to go with 1680 01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,040 Speaker 1: the antlers. Um, you can break sticks, and you can 1681 01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:48,600 Speaker 1: do that in the three too, But the leaves I 1682 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:52,200 Speaker 1: think is a important factor, especially in those days where 1683 01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,840 Speaker 1: they can hear it so well. Um. So I definitely 1684 01:31:55,960 --> 01:32:00,439 Speaker 1: like utilizing that. So um, you know, all it is 1685 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,519 Speaker 1: is kind of like a secondary means for me. I 1686 01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,719 Speaker 1: guess you could say it's when nothing else is really 1687 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,760 Speaker 1: It's a when nothing else is really going on, I'll 1688 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,880 Speaker 1: give it a world kind of saying. Or be that 1689 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,080 Speaker 1: deer's there's no way we're gonna be able to cut 1690 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,920 Speaker 1: it off, or that DearS you know over on private 1691 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,400 Speaker 1: and we need to get him on public if we can, 1692 01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,800 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's situations like those, and I'll 1693 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,559 Speaker 1: go to the calling. Okay, is there any specific start 1694 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,479 Speaker 1: Go ahead? Nope, go ahead. I was just gonna say, 1695 01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to the calling, are you sticking to 1696 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,559 Speaker 1: just a basic grunt or do you like to throw 1697 01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,320 Speaker 1: in a snort weeze or do you have any specific 1698 01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,800 Speaker 1: types of sounds you like to make or is that situational? 1699 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,640 Speaker 1: Definitely smart wheeze. I like to throw in on the 1700 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:51,599 Speaker 1: on that myself. I haven't you had nearly as much 1701 01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,920 Speaker 1: results and say grunting as I have snart wheezing. Um, 1702 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,040 Speaker 1: I've had on more results out of that. It seems like. 1703 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,640 Speaker 1: Um that And like I said, just some of that 1704 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,000 Speaker 1: natural sounds of you know, breaking the leaves with the 1705 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,880 Speaker 1: antler tickling them just a little. You know. Sometimes I'll 1706 01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,160 Speaker 1: just lay the one antler on the in the leaves 1707 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:14,479 Speaker 1: and just kind of hit it a little bit with 1708 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,639 Speaker 1: the other antler. And I've had that, you know work 1709 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:19,360 Speaker 1: just and you know, and a lot of times I'll 1710 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,120 Speaker 1: start out with that in case there's one on top 1711 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,640 Speaker 1: of you know, really close, um, you know, so I 1712 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,400 Speaker 1: don't hit them too hard, too long or or anything 1713 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,320 Speaker 1: like that. But I definitely like the snort ways. It 1714 01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:34,640 Speaker 1: seems like it gets a lot of and I just 1715 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,360 Speaker 1: do it with my mouth. I don't think it has 1716 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,320 Speaker 1: to be perfect. I've heard a lot of snort weez 1717 01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,719 Speaker 1: is from dere and and some of them it's like, really, 1718 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,040 Speaker 1: that's just snart reas um. So I've found that even 1719 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:51,120 Speaker 1: imperfect snart weases right out of your mouth, they don't 1720 01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,439 Speaker 1: seem to mind at all. Yeah, I'll tell you one way. 1721 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,840 Speaker 1: You shouldn't snort wes though you've you've probably seen the 1722 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,280 Speaker 1: grunt tubes. Have got a regular grunt tube chain, and 1723 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,519 Speaker 1: then there's the second chamber that you're supposed to use 1724 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,120 Speaker 1: for the snort weez We've seen those. Yeah, Yeah, that's 1725 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,840 Speaker 1: just basically just like a little funnel. Well, in the 1726 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,920 Speaker 1: heat of the moment, I had a big buck walking 1727 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:11,720 Speaker 1: away from me, and I wanted to snort reees at him, 1728 01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,640 Speaker 1: and so I did a snort weeze, but into the 1729 01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:20,400 Speaker 1: regular grunt tube chamber by accident, and so it sounded 1730 01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,760 Speaker 1: like a horribly sick duck call or something. It was 1731 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,400 Speaker 1: so bad, and it scared that buck so far, so far, 1732 01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:31,760 Speaker 1: it was horrible. Yeah, that yeah that uh yeah, that 1733 01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,320 Speaker 1: I had to be a bad day, was not was 1734 01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,200 Speaker 1: not good at all. So that's one when not to 1735 01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,479 Speaker 1: do it right. Yeah, I know what you're talking about 1736 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,400 Speaker 1: with those uh with those chambers. Um. I used to 1737 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,320 Speaker 1: have that one to call that that had it, that 1738 01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,360 Speaker 1: Matt mad call that you had that chamber that that 1739 01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,439 Speaker 1: worked pretty good for reaching out with him. But lately 1740 01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,759 Speaker 1: I've been just using my mouth and like I said, 1741 01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,799 Speaker 1: I don't find where it has to be really that perfect. 1742 01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,320 Speaker 1: And I like because it's instantaneous, I don't have to 1743 01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,120 Speaker 1: reach for anything or I can just do it right 1744 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,280 Speaker 1: right there. But yeah, yeah, I love the Yes snart 1745 01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,120 Speaker 1: West too. It seems on those big boys it's it's 1746 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,800 Speaker 1: the one that can really turn them around right right. 1747 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like they'll not pay any mind. You're drawn 1748 01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,680 Speaker 1: and these snart Wes and it's like to a big one, 1749 01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:27,640 Speaker 1: it's like, all right, bad enough, we are you and 1750 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,080 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah? We actually snort. We's in 1751 01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,040 Speaker 1: like a hundred forty eight pointer just a couple of 1752 01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,280 Speaker 1: days ago down in southern Ohio. Wow, I got them 1753 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:43,559 Speaker 1: to forty yards but not quite within a shooting so sure, bummer. 1754 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,560 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean you've seen it yourself that 1755 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,680 Speaker 1: i'd say, you know, I mean, that's probably one of 1756 01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:54,560 Speaker 1: my most effective methods for calling, is that there was 1757 01:35:54,600 --> 01:36:01,160 Speaker 1: a snart weez, you know, along with the antlers sometimes. Okay, well, 1758 01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,840 Speaker 1: that's that's good to know. I think, Um, I think, Jared, 1759 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,560 Speaker 1: we're coming up on time here. But yeah, gosh, we 1760 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,960 Speaker 1: have covered some really interesting stuff that I think our 1761 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,479 Speaker 1: listeners are gonna be able to take with them. And 1762 01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,559 Speaker 1: I think you've opened a lot of our listeners eyes 1763 01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,200 Speaker 1: to a totally different way of hunting that I think 1764 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:19,760 Speaker 1: could work for a lot of people if they just 1765 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,800 Speaker 1: would give it a try. And so I'm certainly thinking 1766 01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,560 Speaker 1: about different ways I can try to get it on 1767 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,120 Speaker 1: the ground a little bit more and try some of 1768 01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:27,920 Speaker 1: these things out. Because it sounds like you're having a 1769 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,840 Speaker 1: damn good time, So it is. It's a it's a 1770 01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,120 Speaker 1: fun time. You have those encunors on the ground, and 1771 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,599 Speaker 1: even if you don't get them, even if you get close, 1772 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:42,479 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really it's an adrenaline rush, you know. 1773 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,360 Speaker 1: It is a white tail adrenaline rush. You are, right, 1774 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,120 Speaker 1: So so for people for people out there that want 1775 01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,040 Speaker 1: to see you know, want to check out your DVDs 1776 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:55,320 Speaker 1: or learn more about White Tail Adrenaline. Where can they go? Jared, Uh, 1777 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,160 Speaker 1: there's two two ways. They can go to our Facebook page, 1778 01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:04,160 Speaker 1: White Adrenaline or they can go to our website White 1779 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,519 Speaker 1: tel Adrenaline dot com. Perfect And um, what the new 1780 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,840 Speaker 1: DVDs will be out next summer? Is that gonna be right? Yeah, 1781 01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:16,080 Speaker 1: it'll probably probably be late summer. I'm guessing that's when 1782 01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,479 Speaker 1: they've been coming out. I guess it's a it's a 1783 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,280 Speaker 1: lot of work to go through all the unscripted content 1784 01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,040 Speaker 1: and make the video flow flow well and everything, so 1785 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,080 Speaker 1: it's been taking me a little bit longer than than 1786 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,000 Speaker 1: I'd like it too, But well, it seems like it's 1787 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,120 Speaker 1: worth the time because you've been putting out some really, 1788 01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,800 Speaker 1: really entertaining videos. So I'll definitely be checking out the 1789 01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,280 Speaker 1: new ones, and I hope all of our listeners do too. 1790 01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,320 Speaker 1: And Jared, like I said, this has been awesome, So 1791 01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,559 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here with us. You bet, 1792 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,240 Speaker 1: thanks thanks again guys for having me. Yeah, and and 1793 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,200 Speaker 1: Dan actually had to drop off the line because his 1794 01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,160 Speaker 1: wife keeps calling him, So I'm gonna give him some 1795 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:57,679 Speaker 1: crap about that. But I was like, I was wondering. 1796 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, uh, Dan, in a while, 1797 01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,200 Speaker 1: is he still there? Yeah? You know, you know how 1798 01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,679 Speaker 1: it is the wife segatto when they call you gotta 1799 01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,600 Speaker 1: get back to him. So he's already her patients. I 1800 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,560 Speaker 1: think is already wearing things since he'd been hunting for 1801 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:17,160 Speaker 1: like eleven straight days now. So yeah, so it goes. 1802 01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:23,080 Speaker 1: All right, thank you again and uh good hunting. All right, Well, 1803 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,920 Speaker 1: thanks again, Mark, all right, we'll talk to you later. Yep. 1804 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,120 Speaker 1: All right. Well there you have it, another episode of 1805 01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 1: the Weird Hunt podcast in the books and I hope 1806 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,400 Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. If you did, we would really appreciate 1807 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,719 Speaker 1: if you'd leave us a rating or review on iTunes. 1808 01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,080 Speaker 1: It's a huge help, so thank you in advance. Also, 1809 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,840 Speaker 1: be sure to visit Weird to Hunt dot com slash 1810 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,160 Speaker 1: episode thirty two for show notes and links from this episode. 1811 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,920 Speaker 1: And finally, we'd like to thank our partners who help 1812 01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,240 Speaker 1: make this show possible. Big thanks to Sick of Gear, Trophy, 1813 01:38:55,320 --> 01:39:00,400 Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, carbon Espress Arrows, Hunts offt Across, Boots, 1814 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,520 Speaker 1: Beg and j Longrand Attractants, and The White Tail Institute 1815 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,960 Speaker 1: of North America. That all said, thanks so much for 1816 01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,000 Speaker 1: joining us today on the Weird Don podcast. I hope 1817 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,960 Speaker 1: the rut is rocked for you and that you're having 1818 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,360 Speaker 1: a great time in the woods. So good luck, go hard, 1819 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:16,800 Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.