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Speaker 1: it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh we are

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. It's Thursday, August nineteenth day.

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Speaker 2: We made a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Rather, it's only Tuesday. Listen.

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Speaker 2: A sign of the times. I just moved and that

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Speaker 2: is a sign of the time.

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Speaker 3: So welcome to Tuesday, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanieleidecker here with Body move in and look. Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong is off tonight, but Taha, producer, our beloved Taha

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Speaker 2: is jumping in at all costs. And of course we

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Speaker 2: have Sam and Adam in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Here with us.

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Speaker 2: So it is talk Back Tuesday, and it's our favorite

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Speaker 2: day of the week.

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Speaker 3: You guys have done such a.

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Speaker 2: Great job given us a bunch of talkbacks, so we're hoping.

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Speaker 3: To cram them all in.

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Speaker 2: We're actually trying to organize them by almost like bisection.

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Speaker 3: So body and.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's to come, but the team is

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Speaker 2: working very hard to sort of aggregate all of them.

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Speaker 2: So it seems a little cohesive. Obviously, you can still

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Speaker 2: call in live eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 3: We want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Hit us up from our socials at True Crime Tonight's

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Speaker 3: Body, you're already up in your chair, let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: I'm right head, I am listen. Tuesday is my favorite

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Speaker 4: day of the week. I am obsessed with the Top

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Speaker 4: Max because I feel like it's more conversational and I

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Speaker 4: really like the conversation, yes, exaccination. So I'm so excited

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Speaker 4: for tonight. And here's what I understand. My understanding from

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Speaker 4: TAHA is that they're organizing it by subject because like

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Speaker 4: we have like a couple on Epstein, we have a

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Speaker 4: bunch on Cloburger, we have you know, but then there's

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Speaker 4: like random ones, right, don't tell I don't want to hear.

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Speaker 3: That's all I no. I don't know why. I'm better

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Speaker 3: going in blind. I need you to know this though.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be organized by subject at first, but

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Speaker 4: then we're going to go to Sam and Adam's choice

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Speaker 4: for talkback Roulette, and that's what it's going to get

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Speaker 4: mixed up and we're you know, oh what's coming now?

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, what's happening? So we'll let

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Speaker 5: It's almost like it's going to get progressively more challenging.

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Speaker 5: I know you're going to like it. You're gonna love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get voted off the island.

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Speaker 2: No, you never get voted off the island, because I

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Speaker 2: will fight to the death.

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Speaker 3: I promise that will never happen.

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Speaker 2: So Samuel and Adam equals Samuel Adams the beer.

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Speaker 3: We're just sort of discovering this.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Body the analyst figured this out, like, can

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Speaker 2: we just call for Sam Adams because it feels like

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Speaker 2: we should all be having a proverbial coile together.

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Speaker 4: Need their own identity, Okay, sam an I do like

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Speaker 4: Salmon Adam fair enough?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well where should we begin? I don't know what

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Speaker 5: Why don't you just We're going to just go for it.

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Speaker 5: This first one is a little more general, but it's

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Speaker 5: a way to get to know you.

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Speaker 3: So oh then you right now, let's just do it.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys love the show.

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Speaker 7: I was just wondering, what's the case.

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Speaker 8: That got you involved in true crime?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Oh that's a good one. Go ahead, Boddy.

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Speaker 2: I know, I think I know your answer, but I

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Speaker 2: the first one, the first part was West Memphis three. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that got me interested in the true crime genre like

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Speaker 3: Okay. You used to go to like a GeoCities website.

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Speaker 2: My backstory is I used to make sort of loud

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Speaker 3: Maybe we can move the needle a little bit. Because

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the police only.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a spirit of this show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I met Bobby crime Con.

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Speaker 2: We took photographs together. I was like fangirling.

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Speaker 2: I head up KT Studios and I feel as though

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Speaker 2: my DNA changed once I saw you. I really felt it.

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Speaker 2: And then I sort of said like, hey, look, if

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Speaker 3: Cut two years later, here.

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Speaker 4: We are, yeah, and startners, and you were so kind

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Speaker 3: Makes total sense. Now here's a chat show for two

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Speaker 2: Of this case because you know, when we do documentaries

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Speaker 2: regurgitate sad things. So when this opportunity popped up for

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Speaker 2: backs and listeners. So it's just one big conversation. So

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Speaker 2: next one.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for that talk.

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Speaker 5: All right, that was a really good one. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: we got a lot of good ones coming. And I

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Speaker 5: just wanted to add to your point. We're all fanning

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Speaker 5: out about body. But I also had a resurfacing love

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Speaker 10: It's great listening to you guys really enjoy it. On

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Speaker 2: And I think this is why the Gilaine Maxwell case

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't really think about the Ebstein case

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of pleased, yes, because it's actually one of

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Speaker 3: Way more than I should.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm afraid to ke even text about it, but

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Speaker 3: Right this is what she's been convicted.

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Speaker 4: She was an active participant in abusing these children right there,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a straight up cover. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That to me is a problem, and I think for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I think it's did I read

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Speaker 2: No, not that I'm aware of, but he Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: Real, suddenly, you know, when he committed suicide, there were

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Speaker 2: You know, there was just all of these things that

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Speaker 2: And I think it's just a scary time when we

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Speaker 3: Makes me so mad.

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Speaker 2: So if you you know, and again, if anybody listening

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Speaker 2: bare minimum, let's look out for each other. Because somehow

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Speaker 2: Gieley Maxwell is swipping through the cracks and she's not

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Speaker 3: That anybody else would be. And I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why she's getting such leniency. Leniency, and

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Speaker 4: No, wow, that's a good talk back, thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: Stephanie went on for about five minutes about that time.

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Speaker 3: Was I grandstanding?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, No, you're passionate girl. You don't have to talk

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Speaker 11: There. This is dre in Utah, the one that gets

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Speaker 4: She was moved?

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Speaker 11: Is anyone had answering why she was moved? It's like,

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Speaker 4: Her attorney, David Marcus or David O. Marcus, said that

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Speaker 3: Doesn't let me a break.

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Speaker 4: That's what he said. She was in danger and she

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Speaker 2: I think this is a workaround because ultimately she was

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Speaker 2: Suddenly the White House people, Pam Bondies number two. Everybody

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 2: A pardon fair, No one's changing her her actual crime

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Speaker 2: It's like a secret pardon. It's a little pretend pardon.

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Speaker 2: It's like a little under the table, under the table pardon.

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Speaker 2: This one gets to walk around, she's on jogs, she's

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Speaker 2: get she gets free room and board, she gets to

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Speaker 2: get exercise, she's watching TV, getting Wi Fi, watching the

442
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Speaker 2: soap operas, watching Bravo. It is nonsense, specifically because so

443
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Speaker 2: many of Jeffrey Epstein's victims and hers have come forward

444
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Speaker 2: to say that they are disgraced and they are tortured

445
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Speaker 2: by these new events, and our hearts go out to them.

446
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Speaker 4: Right hey, and if you if you guys, if you

447
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: guys have been at Club Fed, listen and no judgment

448
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Speaker 4: for me, I'm from the same year felons, like, no judgment,

449
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Speaker 4: Give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime.

450
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Speaker 4: I want to know what it's like in one of

451
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Speaker 4: these one of these facilities, you know what I mean. Like,

452
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Speaker 4: I want to know if you've been at Club Fed

453
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Speaker 4: and you've also been in like a more restrictive prison,

454
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Speaker 4: Like what is the difference, Like what.

455
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Speaker 3: Are the key differences?

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Speaker 4: Because I'm sure it's a major life change, right, Like

457
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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a massive uh restrictions listed you know

458
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Speaker 4: those kinds of things. I want to know.

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Speaker 3: Give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear that too.

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Speaker 2: Actually, so again, yeah, inter judgment free zone. But look,

462
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Speaker 2: if you've seen the Markets Stewart documentary, but you know

463
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Speaker 2: she was in a low security prison. No walk in

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Speaker 2: the Park for Martha, by the way, that was a

465
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Speaker 2: great documentary too.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't watched that, I thought it was so

467
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Speaker 3: have you?

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Speaker 2: Oh the Martha Stewart documentary I thought was so interesting. Oh,

469
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: if you guys haven't listened, it's nothing to do with crime.

470
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: It's just the story of I'd be so curious or

471
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Speaker 2: what our listeners have to say about it. But anyway,

472
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Speaker 2: she was in a low security prison, but again no

473
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Speaker 2: walk in the park.

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Speaker 3: Martha was like, what is happening right now? She was

475
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Speaker 3: not a.

476
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Speaker 2: Convicted felon of these level of charges, right she was

477
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Speaker 2: being convicted of tax evasion or something like that. Geleen

478
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Speaker 2: Maxwell is not in the same category, making it is

479
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Speaker 2: crazy making.

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Speaker 3: There are people that are.

481
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Speaker 2: Behind bars for so much longer for you know, selling

482
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Speaker 2: petty drugs on the street for ten dollars that may

483
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Speaker 2: not see the light of day again. Yet Geelane Maxwell,

484
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Speaker 2: who's been brought up on very real charges, is somehow

485
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: living our best life having coffee and cappuccino at club

486
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Speaker 2: fed crazy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I just I kind of agree with

488
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Speaker 4: you that it's kind of being swept under the rug

489
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Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Not well, it's not a finding. It's not a.

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Speaker 4: Pardon, right, It's not a pardon because like she's not

492
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Speaker 4: being forgiven for her crimes. Like when she gets out

493
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Speaker 4: about it, if and when she gets out, she's still

494
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Speaker 4: going to be a felon and have like these crimes

495
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Speaker 4: on her record. But I wouldn't be surprised if a

496
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Speaker 4: pardon isn't coming.

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Speaker 3: At this point.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. And by the way, I think it's

499
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Speaker 2: odd that it's so quiet.

500
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Speaker 3: It's so quiet.

501
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Speaker 2: About it, so I'm glad we're talking about it. But

502
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Speaker 2: again I'm looking over my shoulders, as I know.

503
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Speaker 4: And by the way, Martha Stewart was in prison for

504
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Speaker 4: insider trading, the same thing, same thing. It's not come

505
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Speaker 4: ext trafficking, it's not it's not well coming up, it's

506
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Speaker 4: talkback Tuesday. We don't know what's coming up?

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Speaker 3: Stick around? Is your talk back going to make the

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Speaker 3: ne segment?

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Speaker 4: Keep it right here? True Crime tonight, and.

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Speaker 2: Look at is talkback Tuesday our favorite night of the week.

511
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Speaker 3: So we're sort of just hearing from you.

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Speaker 2: You're kind of rapid firing us talkbacks, and frankly, I

513
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Speaker 2: have no idea where this is going, Buddy, you seem

514
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Speaker 2: to know a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: I don't, actually, Okay, good, okay, no ideaof I know

516
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Speaker 4: that TA has organized them by category, so.

517
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Speaker 3: I think we're dipping now.

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Speaker 2: Into Idaho territory and just as a quick heads up,

519
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Speaker 2: Idaho Massacred. The podcast Season three drops tomorrow on iHeart

520
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Speaker 2: and we all.

521
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Speaker 3: Hope you check it out and please have a listen.

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Speaker 3: So go ahead, buddy, call it. Let's okay, let's let's

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Speaker 3: hear it. Sam Adam, Hi, ladies, this is.

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Speaker 8: Liz from Washington. I'm just wondering about Coburger. If any

525
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Speaker 8: of you have any thoughts on the reason Coberg waited

526
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Speaker 8: so long to admit guilt, thinking because he had a

527
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Speaker 8: female lawyer, if maybe he didn't want to give her

528
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Speaker 8: that satisfaction or have to admit anything to a woman

529
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Speaker 8: who was pretty much in charge of his life at

530
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Speaker 8: that point, or if there was anything like you guys

531
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Speaker 8: might think might have gone differently if he had a

532
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Speaker 8: male attorney instead. And then on the backside of that,

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Speaker 8: I am originally from Michigan, body completely unrelated to Crue crime.

534
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Speaker 8: I just wanted to know if you noticed that they

535
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Speaker 8: announced the Red Wings that are going to retire Federof's

536
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Speaker 8: Jersey go hockey, my favorite sport. I play it but

537
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Speaker 8: love you guys. Just wanted to call in and ask

538
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Speaker 8: about Coburger's attorney.

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Speaker 4: Let's go red Wings.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Red Wings'.

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Speaker 4: Detroit. They are my first love, the red Wings. And yes,

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Speaker 4: Federov's jersey is going to be retired at Little Caesars Arena.

543
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Speaker 4: It's going to be amazing going now, I can't.

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Speaker 3: How am I going to do the show? Oh my goodness,

545
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Speaker 3: we're holding you hostage. No, you cannot go. But you

546
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Speaker 3: are giving us all a new insight into hockey.

547
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Speaker 4: I love hockey. Well, so listen, this question is loaded.

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Speaker 4: All right, I can't wait. I have great question, though

549
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Speaker 4: I haven't asked an amazing question. And I have often

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Speaker 4: said that the prosecutor should have been a woman, not

551
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Speaker 4: necessarily Brian Coberger's attorney, you know. But you're but to

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Speaker 4: speak to your question specifically, and I can troal on

553
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Speaker 4: to what I was talking about in a minute. But

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Speaker 4: why did he wait so long? Because I think he

555
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Speaker 4: really thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I

556
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Speaker 4: think he really thought he wasn't or he would be

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Speaker 4: able to convince a jury of his peers that there

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Speaker 4: was reasonable doubt about his guilt. And I think he

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Speaker 4: thought that some of the motions that Anne Taylor had

560
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Speaker 4: been submitting were going to be at least, you know,

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Speaker 4: reasonably heard by the judge. You know, the third party

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Speaker 4: culpability which which denied the alibi defense was just kind

563
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Speaker 4: of a joke. The disputing of the DNA no, not

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Speaker 4: going to happen, just rapid succession of denial, denial, denial, denial,

565
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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, the writing was on the wall,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure what convinced him to, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe start talking about a plea.

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Speaker 3: I kind of think maybe his mom might have had

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Speaker 3: something to do with it. I did too. I think

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Speaker 3: his mom did as well. I think she waited.

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Speaker 2: This is based on nothing, by the way, nothing evidence

572
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Speaker 2: of this, but I mean, we do know that they

573
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Speaker 2: were so communicative and that he was speaking to his

574
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Speaker 2: mom so regularly even right after the murders. And listen,

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Speaker 2: there was also just a formal drop dead date that

576
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Speaker 2: he had to make a decision, right, so he was

577
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Speaker 2: looking at a death sentence trial in August, and the

578
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Speaker 2: stage was set. You know, all of the family members

579
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Speaker 2: had bought their tickets, had reserved rooms, they were intending

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Speaker 2: to be there, taking time off of work, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he really waited to the eleventh hour.

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Speaker 2: And maybe because it just felt like there was a

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Speaker 2: pylon and a pilon of new information coming out that

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Speaker 2: he knew he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna win. I

585
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Speaker 2: do I secretly, this is a secretly in my head

586
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Speaker 2: think that mom or dad. But maybe Mom basically said

587
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Speaker 2: please don't put us through this because make keep Let's

588
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Speaker 2: be real, his sisters would have had to testify against him.

589
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: His own mother would have had to testify against him,

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Speaker 2: as would his dad. And and I don't think he

591
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Speaker 2: played into I don't think that. I don't think that

592
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Speaker 2: would have done anything to him. I don't think I do.

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Speaker 2: I really do think he's like just a hollow shell.

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Speaker 2: I think more along the lines of son, if you

595
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Speaker 2: just plead guilty, maybe we can fight this, you know

596
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Speaker 2: what I mean, like it buys us time. I think

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Speaker 2: I think it was more along those lines, like going

598
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Speaker 2: to get you out, but we have to figure out

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Speaker 2: if you if you get the death penalty, they're going

600
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Speaker 2: to kill you and then it's over forever. Like you know,

601
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Speaker 2: if you plead, maybe we can appeal, maybe we can

602
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Speaker 2: do it, you know, whatever, that kind of situation. But

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Speaker 2: I just I just don't think that mom or Dad

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Speaker 2: or even sister. Let me rephrase, I don't think mother

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Speaker 2: or father or sister would have been able to play

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Speaker 2: to his emotions because I just don't think he had

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Speaker 2: I think he does have them, I just don't think

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Speaker 2: they rise to the surface very often. And I know

609
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Speaker 2: this so many times too. I feel for them, I

610
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Speaker 2: genuine do. What a bummer to have your youngest child,

611
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Speaker 2: your son.

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Speaker 3: Be such a mess.

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Speaker 4: After reading some of those reports from the Idaho State

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Speaker 4: Police dump that we got about his behavior at WSU,

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Speaker 4: you know, I I really genuinely did feel bad about

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Speaker 4: his parents and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But at this point I don't know that I do.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And why is that?

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Speaker 2: Because you feel like they too saw signs and just

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Speaker 2: chose to.

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Speaker 3: Do you were that? Did you?

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Speaker 9: Guys?

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Speaker 4: Ever read his reddit his mother's reddit posts?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 4: Hello friends today my twenty t me okay on June

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Speaker 4: let me see, let me pull it up. On June

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Speaker 4: twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, Hello friends, Today, my twenty

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Speaker 4: six year old son left for Washington State to begin

630
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Speaker 4: his doctorate in criminology. We live in Pennsylvania. I probably

631
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Speaker 4: won't be submitting many designs in the next few days.

632
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Speaker 4: Because I will be too busy crying. I will see

633
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Speaker 4: you all soon.

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Speaker 2: But what's the downside? This is a mom who loves

635
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Speaker 2: her son. Listen, so many people are like taking their

636
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Speaker 2: kids to college right now. I'm seeing that all over

637
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: social media, there doing their dorms and getting them wrote.

638
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: But there was COVID and he was a bit of

639
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: a drug addict at one point, and he was living

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Speaker 2: in the basement, and there was this gap of time.

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Speaker 3: I'm not justifying Brian, I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying from a mother wishing that her son

643
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Speaker 2: still lived close and she's having that extra experience of

644
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, sending him out into the world and likely

645
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: not thinking she's sending a maniac into the world to

646
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Speaker 2: kill four people, and just frankly minutes.

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Speaker 3: Compared to that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this was not a long time after Right

649
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: the minute he got there, he was already up to

650
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Speaker 2: no good that you know. And maybe I'm giving benefit

651
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: of the doubt here, but maybe you know, you're so

652
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: close to somebody that you don't see the signs. And

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Speaker 2: I'm just so curious if that's a different Reddit post today,

654
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Speaker 2: Like I'm just so curious now in retrospect, what does

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Speaker 2: his mom or his family say based on what they

656
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: know about him and his behaviors, and you know, maybe

657
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: he was super needy and maybe she kind of secretly

658
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Speaker 2: loved that, and he was living in the basement and

659
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Speaker 2: that was their dynamic. So needy versus being a psychopath

660
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Speaker 2: are two very different things, right. And we also know

661
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Speaker 2: that dad went with Brian Coberger to kind of get

662
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: moved into school, and he was literally knocking on neighbors

663
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: doors saying to them, hey, my son.

664
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Speaker 3: Just moved in.

665
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Speaker 2: He's a little shy, but he could really use some friends,

666
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Speaker 2: and you'd really like him. He's very friendly. Can you

667
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Speaker 2: imagine your father. You're an adult, you know, to your point,

668
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: you're not eighteen, you know, you're in your mid twenties,

669
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Speaker 2: and you're moving into an apartment.

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Speaker 3: He's twenty six years old, twenty eight and now you're

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Speaker 3: twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 2: I don't know however, I think he was twenty six,

673
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Speaker 2: But like, either way, Dad is saying, oh, yeah, he's

674
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Speaker 2: trying to make friends for you because you're a weirdo.

675
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Speaker 3: So somewhere they knew.

676
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: It, and they knew that they were dealing with somebody

677
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Speaker 2: with real social issues.

678
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: Right yeah, and they had to know he had social issues.

679
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: What do you think do you think that they knew

680
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Speaker 3: he had social issues?

681
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Speaker 4: I think they did. Listen, I don't have kids, so

682
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Speaker 4: I might be totally off the market. Give us a

683
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Speaker 4: call eighty eight thirty one Crime or give us a talkback,

684
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Speaker 4: you'll make the show. So I wanted to say one

685
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: other thing too. I mentioned I think the prosecutor should

686
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Speaker 4: have been a female, and I think she's had been

687
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: a beautiful, intelligent, classy prosecutor, right. Can you imagine he

688
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: had He had such a visceral reaction to Olivia, who

689
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Speaker 4: was also intelligent and beautiful and well spoken, and she

690
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Speaker 4: was classy you know what I mean.

691
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Speaker 3: Olivia is uh.

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Speaker 2: Sister Olivia Gonsalvez, and she infamously spoke at his sentencing. Man,

693
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Speaker 2: was that a masterclass delivery of like how to treat

694
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Speaker 2: a narcissist?

695
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Speaker 4: Right? And we had Susan constantin on on the show.

696
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: She's the body language expert, and she explained that, Yeah,

697
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: he had a visceral reaction to her, you know her

698
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: her words, and I think it cut deeper because she's.

699
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Speaker 3: A beautiful woman.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of wonder if the prosecutor was you

701
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Speaker 4: know this this great woman. Would Brian Coberger would he

702
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: have rolled his eyes at evidence? Would he have like

703
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: clenched his jaw at certain point you know what I mean? Like,

704
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Speaker 4: would we have gotten the urge to correct her? Because

705
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: that's what I see, the urge to correct, right, because

706
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: he has to be the smartest guy in the room.

707
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: And if the prosecutor is up there saying this happened,

708
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: then this happened, Then this happened. Would Brian Koberger have

709
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 4: to somehow get it out of his system that Nope,

710
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: that's not what happened.

711
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: This is what happened, right, Like he might have had

712
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Speaker 2: an over reaction or like had a he couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Just take it, Okay.

714
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Speaker 2: No, I think that's really interesting, by the way. Yeah,

715
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: and the body expert really does kind of sum it

716
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: up frankly that he was uncomfortable at certain points.

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00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: And Olivia Gonzalvez.

718
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Speaker 2: We have Stephen Gonzalvez is on the podcast, and you know, listen,

719
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Speaker 2: those guys have been through it. All of the family

720
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: members have just been to hell dealing with this, and

721
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Speaker 2: it's interesting to see how all of them deal with

722
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: it so differently. Oh yeah, and Olivia Gonzalvez, I mean

723
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: talk about dealing with a psycho. She was not having it.

724
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Speaker 2: And you know, that's a question I have for everyone listening.

725
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to Do you get a weird

726
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: feeling by the guy standing behind you online at the

727
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: pharmacy and he's like, you know, asking you a question

728
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: or being kind of friendly, do you just shut it

729
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: down and just become really cold and just.

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Speaker 3: Be like knock it off? Or are you polite? Like

731
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Speaker 3: what is the language?

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Speaker 2: I know we had Jessica Kaplan on the therapist to

733
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: kind of talk about some of that, and I want

734
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: to continue that conversation and if anyone has suggestions, because

735
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: he's the quintessential problem. He's the guy that you know,

736
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: you don't want to be super mean to because he's,

737
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, frankly kind of a nerd.

738
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Speaker 3: And feels like he probably is like awkward and weird,

739
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: so you want to be kind. But then you're a

740
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: little kind and this guy takes it as a green

741
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: light to follow you home and that's a little bit weird.

742
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Or if you shut it down and you're tough, suddenly

743
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: he's like, all show her, and now he's following you

744
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: home for another reason, it's just so nuanced.

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Speaker 4: The intended not to speak English. I mean, I'm an

746
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: avoidant I have. I'm not even that's not a bad

747
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: tip I have. I'm fresh up blah, I don't know,

748
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like I am so bad.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. That's actually a really great tip because it's.

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Speaker 4: Just interesting if what if the guy speaks Spanish though,

751
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: and then I'm like.

752
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 3: Oh crap, you know, oh yeah, that's true.

753
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: But like in the military, they would say to throw

754
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 2: up or do something that's just like disgusting because go up. Well,

755
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm not at the pharmacy online. There's more that's a

756
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: deeper unpacked. Well, we're going to unpack that in a minute. Well,

757
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: keep and ray here. We have more of your talkbacks coming.

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00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: Listen. That whole segment was that one talkback when I

759
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: tell you we can talk about this week for weekn

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 4: talk about it.

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Speaker 2: If we're doing talkback tuesdays, we're hearing from you. We

762
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: want to get all of your calls, keep them coming.

763
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Speaker 2: Any case or is something that you want us to cover,

764
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Speaker 2: We want to hear your opinion. So this is a

765
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: free for all kind of a night. In fact, we

766
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Speaker 2: have a caller right now.

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Speaker 3: Hi Glenn, Glenn, Hi Glenn, welcome to the show. What's

768
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: your question?

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Speaker 12: Yes, this show is dealing with this. Diane was a Montana, Idaho.

770
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Speaker 12: I I'm sorry, no problem, and they killed the four

771
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 12: people and he had admitted to doing it, and now

772
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Speaker 12: on he's in prison. And why are you questioning?

773
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Speaker 5: Why are we.

774
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Still talking about it or why are we questioning I'm

775
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: not so many questions. By the way, we're The reason

776
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: why we're still talking about it is because we have

777
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: to unpack it in hindsight, just as a way of

778
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: unpacking these red flags.

779
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: Well, again, this is like a really big case. How

780
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Speaker 3: do we know how to put a.

781
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: True crime show? And this is a true crime show.

782
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: This guy is a unicorn in true crime. Okay, this

783
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: is so rare, unbelievably rare, and thank god for that. Okay,

784
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: but there are still so many unanswered questions about him.

785
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: People are going to be talking about this and this

786
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: case for decades to come and oh, generations happened. And

787
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: because we're a true crime show, we are also going

788
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 4: to be talking about it.

789
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Speaker 3: But it's why question.

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Speaker 2: For Glenn, It's sort of like, look, this has been

791
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: no right and we're like, look, we know what the

792
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: deal is. He's confessed. You know, why are we still

793
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: talking about it? And it's two part also because there

794
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: was no death sentenced trial. Now we are seeing all

795
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: of these unsealed documents for the very first time. They're

796
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: all falling in our lapse for real time. So we

797
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: would be remiss not to really go through them with

798
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: a fine two cone, because how do we glean from

799
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Speaker 2: this mess and in honor of Kaylee and Xana and

800
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: Ethan and Maddie, to make sure this kind of thing

801
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: doesn't continue to happen again. So so it's a fair question, Glenn.

802
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: But that's why we're we're kind of carrying on about

803
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: it because the info is still coming in.

804
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 4: Like it we just got six hundred pages of documents

805
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: over the weekend and it had all this new information

806
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: about Brian Coberger's behavior leading up to and after the murders,

807
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: and these are really important things that society needs to

808
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: talk about in address exact because he was harassing women

809
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: and students at his school and nothing was done.

810
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Speaker 2: Can I give you a little teasing, Glenn, don't forget

811
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Speaker 2: to download the podcast The Ideral Massacre Season three tomorrow

812
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: your the target audience, just fyi. But also there is

813
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: some interesting like we do well, there's an interesting piece

814
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: done by the university chief of police and he was

815
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Speaker 2: actually brought into this particular job just two months before

816
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Speaker 2: your murders.

817
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: And get this this part.

818
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Speaker 2: Six months prior to the murders, he interviewed with Brian Coburger,

819
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Speaker 2: the killer. Brian Coburger wanted to do this like Master program,

820
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Speaker 2: Pullman Police like internship type of.

821
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Speaker 4: He wanted to do like a study on safety or

822
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Speaker 4: some public safety.

823
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got rejected. This guy rejected him. He

824
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: rejected it on the podcast. Did you just give him

825
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Speaker 3: a way?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, listen, it's a tease, baby, that's a tease.

827
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 4: Well, stay tuned. You're gonna get some more teases throughout

828
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: this show. Hopefully we'll get to some more talkbacks, more

829
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Speaker 4: than one segment. Hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Keep it right here. A true crime tonight. Listen, a

831
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: bunch of talk talk too much.

832
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Speaker 4: Keep it right here, A true crime tonight.

833
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: Let's us go right to our next talk back. Let's

834
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Speaker 3: do it all right.

835
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Speaker 13: We have a little more Coburger here, and this is

836
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Speaker 13: kind of We have two relevant talkbacks here on the

837
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Speaker 13: same topic. So I'm going to play them in quick

838
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Speaker 13: succession here.

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Speaker 4: All right, so wait, wait, wait ahead, are you going

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Speaker 4: to play them back to back? Or am I gonna

841
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: are we going to answer in between if you want

842
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 4: to say, like, oh you know, i'se okay, oh all right, okay,

843
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: we got it. That was a good direction than you.

844
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Speaker 11: Hi ladies.

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Speaker 14: Ali here from Orlando, Florida. Hi, Alan, if you could

846
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 14: recap something for me please, regarding the Brian Colberger case

847
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 14: and the reference of him writing a review on Reddit

848
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Speaker 14: or a survey on Reddit or something like that, If

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00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 14: you could just run through that briefly for me please,

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Speaker 14: I would appreciate it. Love the show, have a good night.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. Ally, Yeah, no problem, we can

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00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 2: My favorite topic also, So go ahead body take it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to wait for the next one.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 6: Hi Family from Australia calling just on the Cobo good

857
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Speaker 6: documents and the surveys that he put out on Reddit.

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Speaker 14: Does anyone have the feeling that.

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Speaker 10: He was kind of using those surveys to confirm I

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 10: suppose thoughts and feelings he was having about committing crimes

861
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Speaker 10: and sort of I guess.

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Speaker 14: This preempted or pushed him to actually commit those crimes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you the truth boy, one talkback to another, they're

864
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: like in sync, one hundred percent in sync.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was.

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Speaker 4: Those are really really good, really good. So Brian Coberger

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Speaker 4: was a criminology student at the Sales University when he

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Speaker 4: did the survey. Okay, and basically the survey. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: this is a two part answer because there's two talkbacks, right,

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Speaker 4: so I'm gonna go over with the survey really quick.

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Speaker 4: The survey was you know, I have it actually right here,

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00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 4: let me grab it.

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Speaker 2: It should read some of those questions because there Harold,

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Speaker 2: he wrote.

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Speaker 4: He writes this. The study should take you about fifteen

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Speaker 4: to twenty minutes. Your petition, your participation in this research

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Speaker 4: is voluntary. You have the right to withdraw at any point.

878
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Speaker 4: Yahd YadA, YadA, yad YadA. If you have any questions

879
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: about this research, you may contact the research team via

880
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: email Brian Coberger to investigator at BK blah blah blah

881
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: blah at the Sales dot Edu. The other and then

882
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: the other two people's names. I don't want to read

883
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: those people's names because they're innocent and.

884
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: They don't need anything we've reached out to them, right

885
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: a bajillion.

886
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: Times, right, and by clicking the button you acknowledge, you know,

887
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: and it goes through the general thing. Right. But here's

888
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: the interesting interesting thing about this survey. It was posted

889
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: in December of twenty twenty, and he would have been

890
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: basically done with this kind of research by then. So

891
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: that's gonna that's going to go into my next the

892
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: next answer. I'm kind of jumping around, but let me

893
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: read you some of the questions. For the first talk back.

894
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 4: He asked questions like, how did you feel after committing

895
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 4: this crime? After arriving? What steps did you take prior

896
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 4: to locating the victim or target? Please detail your thoughts

897
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: and feelings?

898
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: And okay, that's a huge one.

899
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 4: Remember when I'm saying this, what Olivia Comesolves said to

900
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: him during her victim impact statement when she was like,

901
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: please detail your thoughts and feelings when you know when this,

902
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 4: please explain what you were thinking and feeling. This is

903
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 4: what she's referencing. She's referencing this survey. Okay, and it's

904
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: a list of, you know, a bunch of questions about

905
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: criminology stuff, but it's a lot about emotion and decision making.

906
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: And we know now from reading these reports that we

907
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: just got that Brian was very interested in sexual burglery

908
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: and the decision making process that criminals make during you know,

909
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: during crimes. And if you read the survey in hindsight

910
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: now right, it's like, oh my gosh.

911
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: This is a roadmap.

912
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: Why did you chose that victim or target over others?

913
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: How did you travel to an enter location where this occurred?

914
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 5: Like?

915
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: How did you travel there? And how did you break in? Basically,

916
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: he wants details over the past two weeks. How often

917
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: have you been bothered by the following problems? Nervous, anxious,

918
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: are on edge, trouble, relaxing, feeling afraid? Like he's asking,

919
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: he and how did you how after committing the crime?

920
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: What were you thinking and feeling sore leaving?

921
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you did? Question mark? How did

922
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: you leave the scene?

923
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: Question mark?

924
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: After committing the crime, what were you thinking and feeling

925
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: question mark? These are wild questions in retrospect if you're

926
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: a criminology student. Okay, I guess that's like interviewing, you know,

927
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: a criminal, I suppose. But he was doing a study

928
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: on himself in his own emotional integration and his own emotional.

929
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: Ability to pull this off.

930
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: Right.

931
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: So my opinion, this was.

932
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Posted in June. I don't know, Li said December. I'm

933
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 4: losing my mind. This was posted in June, and he

934
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: graduates in August, all right, so that's not a lot

935
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: of time to be conducting research for any kind of

936
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: paper that you're going to be submitting. And then, by

937
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: by the way, he's moving to Pollman. Okay, So it's

938
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 4: very interesting that this was posted at this time because

939
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: it feels now like it was more of a personal

940
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: like inquiry into why he's feeling the way he's feeling.

941
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah, no reason.

942
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: I used to always think and this was unsubstantiated and

943
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: now we know to be untrue. My gut always was

944
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: that he went to Pullman for a reason, maybe even

945
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: because at that point he had already been following one

946
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: of the girls or had become socially engaged on social

947
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: media with one of the victims. Because Polman's are real

948
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: far away. He was living in his mama's basement. He

949
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: was not living far from home for a really long time.

950
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: So suddenly now he's decided to move across the country.

951
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: To some degree, he's studying under the great you know,

952
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: Catherine Ramslin, who we've heard so much about. But why

953
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: that particular school, why that particular program.

954
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: For a hot second, I was wondering.

955
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: If maybe he had targeted one of the girls or

956
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: a grouping of them and that's why he went there.

957
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: We know that's not true.

958
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: Now it seems like there is actually no real connection

959
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: between him and any of the victims, which frankly is

960
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: even scarier beyond measure. He just was choosing randomly because

961
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: he had been lurking around many other women and many

962
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: other people in and around the neighborhood, in and around houses,

963
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: in and around a sorority house, taking pictures of girls

964
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: in bikinis that we found on his phone.

965
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 3: So he was that guy.

966
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 4: He was a lurker, right, Yeah, it's such a good

967
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: talk back, Thank you like so much for that. That

968
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 4: was It reminded me of that and reminded me that, yeah,

969
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 4: maybe it was kind of a personal, you know, reflection

970
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: on why he's feeling the way he is. And you know,

971
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: he posted the he posted the survey, the one that

972
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: I know about at least in the ex con subreddit.

973
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: So he was specifically targeting people who were caught, you know,

974
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 4: which is interesting. Anyway, thank you so much for the

975
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 4: talk about what do we have next?

976
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 7: Hey guys, Megan from Kentucky again, Sorry, I'm just episode

977
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 7: as far as so as far as the protections, uh,

978
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 7: you know, as for Brian Coberger in all the security

979
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 7: that has been put in place or that was put

980
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 7: in place, I'm wondering if anybody ever brought up a

981
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 7: Title nine issue, because that protects, you know, victims and

982
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 7: gives them a better voice and you know, something that

983
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 7: the university.

984
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 11: Is obligated to deal with by law.

985
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 8: But that's just my.

986
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Extra two cents.

987
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 7: But thanks, love you guys to show still listening.

988
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: I am so impressed, Megan, such a good listener. I

989
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: didn't even think about this.

990
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 5: So.

991
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: Title nine is a US federal rights law that prohibits

992
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 4: sex based discrimination in education programs or activity receiving federal funding.

993
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: So any any school that's receiving federal funding in any

994
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: way has these Title nine you know issues. Let's say,

995
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 4: I don't know how it's yeah, this is the core state.

996
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: I just googled it right now because frankly I'm kind

997
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: aware of this. It says, quote, no person in the

998
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: United States shall comma on the basis of sex, be

999
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: excluded from participation and be denied the benefits of subjected

1000
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: to discrimination under the Education Program of activity receiving federal

1001
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: financial assistance. So that's like the long winded answer, sorry.

1002
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 4: And did so we do know that at least one

1003
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: of the I don't know. I can't remember if she

1004
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: was a student or faculty. There's so many reports. I'm

1005
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: kind of my brain is kind of spaghetti at the moment.

1006
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: But she said that she filed a complaint with the WSU, SILVIL,

1007
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Office, so it is possible that they

1008
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 4: might have been investigating some kind of Title line violation.

1009
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I didn't see any reference to any

1010
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 4: Title nine in the documents, but I could have missed it.

1011
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: If you've seen it, give us a call. Eighty eight

1012
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 4: thirty one crime. We want to know. I didn't see anything,

1013
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: but I don't know. I just don't know how to

1014
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 4: answer it because I just don't know. I don't think

1015
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: they did anything. I do know that they ended up

1016
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: firing him prior to his arrest, and not because he

1017
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: was arrested, because it was, you know, weeks prior to

1018
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 4: his arrest.

1019
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: That's why I think the walls were closing in on him.

1020
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: You know, suddenly he was going to lose that scholarship,

1021
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: he may have lost that fancy job that he had given,

1022
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, gone across the country from his parents going

1023
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: to think of him. You know, who did it to him?

1024
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: Like he was kicked out of the cop program in

1025
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: high school. Here it is, it's happening again. This is

1026
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that becomes a boiling over potentially

1027
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: for somebody who's up for no good.

1028
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I don't know if the school

1029
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: is you know, at all culpable in anything or you know,

1030
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: I can't imagine, you know what I mean, Like, there

1031
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 4: is not their fault that this guy did this or whatever.

1032
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 4: And so when we're talking about these things, we're not

1033
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 4: implying that, you know, like that they're responsible for his

1034
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 4: behavior in any way.

1035
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: But I would be.

1036
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 4: Very interested to know what disciplinary action leading up to

1037
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: his termination they were taking, like specifically, because the allegations

1038
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 4: in these reports were really heinous. And if I'm telling

1039
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: you what, knowing what, I'm not knowing that he's a killer,

1040
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: but just reading what I read, I would be avoiding

1041
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: him in the hallways one hundred percent.

1042
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: No, he's that creeper.

1043
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: And also to that point, that's why it's also really

1044
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: important that we're talking about it, because again, how do

1045
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: we prevent this the next time there's a criminology PhD

1046
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: student acting the way he's acted. This is not just

1047
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: a guy that's like socially awkward and a super nerd.

1048
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: This is a guy.

1049
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: Well, this is why we're talking about talking about it,

1050
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: and exactly so, and again if anybody who's listening has

1051
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: any advice or any thoughts, because we want to take

1052
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: away something there's nothing positive to be taken from this,

1053
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: let's be honest, but we want to take away something

1054
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: informative so that these types of things don't happen again

1055
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: to these extraordinary kids. Like we also don't want to

1056
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: forget them, so you know, we should do a whole

1057
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: segment on the victims.

1058
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: We won't do that tomorrow too, just about.

1059
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: Their lives because again they become such a footnote. Kaylee

1060
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 2: Gonzalveez and Ethan Shapin and Madison Mogan and Xana Kernodle

1061
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: who fought for their lives against this monster so senselessly,

1062
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: and their families are struggling.

1063
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: Deeply as we speak.

1064
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, the story goes on and there's all this

1065
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: new information and it sounds like, you know, it's interesting,

1066
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: but at its core, it's terrible and it is menacing,

1067
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: and it's sad and it's unimaginable. So if we could

1068
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: all collectively just like have a quick second and send

1069
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: the victims' families are our love and support, and.

1070
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: Let this never happen again.

1071
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: Right, all right, the studio's gone wild anyway, so we're

1072
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: gonna we're just gonna cut straight to the next talk

1073
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: back because we want to keep hearing from you.

1074
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: Let's go oh wait, wait, wait, wait wait, oh there's

1075
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: a wait.

1076
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

1077
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 4: I have to let the audience know this is bagroulette, right, yes,

1078
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: So at this point in the show, Sam and Adam

1079
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: are running the asylum and we don't know what's coming,

1080
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: we don't know the subject, we don't know anything.

1081
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: So if only anyone knew how funny that was, let's go,

1082
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: come on, This asylum is real, so let's go. I

1083
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: have great faith in you, Sam and Adam.

1084
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 15: Hyattsnthip from Canada calling in regards in regards to the

1085
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 15: Adaho Masacre conviction and Brian Colberg. He was just convicted.

1086
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 15: But we talked about Manson until the day died. So

1087
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 15: it's not unusual for our culture to talk about murders

1088
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 15: and crimes until the individuals pass away and that sort

1089
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 15: of thing.

1090
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: Have a good Nightynthia.

1091
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: Couldn't have said it better ourselves, Cynthia, tip of our tongues.

1092
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: But I couldn't articulate it how well even.

1093
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Speaker 4: I mean, we still talk about like Bundy and he's

1094
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 4: been gone forever. Hmmm, you know what I mean, like, oh, yeah, listen,

1095
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 4: it's a.

1096
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: Great white shark.

1097
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 9: Right.

1098
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: This is why we talk about some of these big

1099
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: ticket items because yes they're rare, but they're also fascinating

1100
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: as they are.

1101
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean takes a lot of boxes.

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00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean, the goal is to talk about these things

1103
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: so that people are aware and society is you know,

1104
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: learned about things and you know, understands how these things

1105
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: work or whatever.

1106
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: But does it is it?

1107
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: There was a talk back yesterday and it is sad

1108
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: in my stomach ever since I heard it.

1109
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: And she was so articulate.

1110
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 4: She said, you know, we either learn from these things

1111
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 4: or it's just gossip something like that. I'm parafuct Yeah,

1112
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 4: so it was so no, it was just so well stated,

1113
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: like it has just sat in my craw and I'm like,

1114
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 4: what's the point?

1115
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we not just want to repeat hashing out

1116
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: terrible things like right, the takeaway?

1117
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: What's the takeaway?

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00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: Right?

1119
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 4: And and I really want to be kind of like

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00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: takeaway focused. I guess you know what I mean otherwise

1121
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 4: because yeah, otherwise it's just we're just talking crap.

1122
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 5: We're just talking.

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Cynthia, Thank you so much.

1125
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 4: And by the way, Cynthia, we want to know without

1126
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 4: like doxing yourself, like whereabouts in what province are you in?

1127
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 4: Is what we're wondering. We love that you call. We

1128
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 4: just want to know where the heck you.

1129
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: Are, Cynthia, Cynthia.

1130
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: Tonight.

1131
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, we're getting True Crime Tonight's wag.

1132
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: So listen, this is a small team operation, so there's

1133
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: not get crazy with a swag.

1134
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: But we're going to like figure out a way.

1135
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what the thing is that we're celebrating,

1136
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: but you know, when we do, we're going to send

1137
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: you a sweatshirt or a mug. You know that we're

1138
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: starting that jam. So we're open to suggestions too, So

1139
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: if you have any, let us know.

1140
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: So is that whole? Are we naming the club?

1141
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 5: Yes, happening, that's going to happen, as a matter of fact,

1142
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 5: that's going to happen tomorrow to be here, and we

1143
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 5: actually we know the winner because the whole wait ta.

1144
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: You already know, don't tell you.

1145
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 5: But I'm not going to say a word. My lips

1146
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 5: are sealed.

1147
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 4: So is a Red String Society?

1148
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: Didn't make it in?

1149
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: It is definitely not. I I'm going to go on

1150
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: record as saying that's impossible that it's Red String Society.

1151
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: It wasn't even an option, but I was hoping there

1152
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: we go, because like, how cool would that swag be?

1153
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 4: A little red string bracelet or something? How cute would that?

1154
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: See? I'm you guys need to like I just like.

1155
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: A hoodie or a mug or something a little like

1156
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: a coffee mug.

1157
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: So we stay up late together.

1158
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: Drinking coffee and talking with the times like a tumbler.

1159
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm into it. I'm into all of the above. A

1160
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: little T shirt, a little yes, I mean it's endless.

1161
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: That'll be our next.

1162
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: Little vote in for But in the immediate tie, is

1163
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: that the case? Tomorrow is the big night.

1164
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 5: Tomorrow's big night, guys. We're going to have to decide

1165
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 5: which doc we're going to be watching.

1166
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: But oh, I haven't that okay place, send me a

1167
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: text and emails and we can add those to the list.

1168
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 5: But I would love to hear another good talk back

1169
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 5: from Sam and Adam.

1170
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 6: Hi, ladies, this is Tara from Alberta, Canada. I just

1172
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 6: wanted to send you guys a question about the ice

1173
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 6: cream trucks.

1174
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: Being out late at night in Virginia and what you

1175
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: guys think about it. I don't know.

1176
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 6: I've seen it all over my TikTok. I think it's

1177
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 6: super weird, but please let me know if you guys

1178
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: have seen it or heard anything about it and the

1179
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 6: missing children there.

1180
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: Love you guys, I listened.

1181
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 7: To every day every morning through my routine.

1182
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much for that talk back.

1183
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 4: Alberta literally the best.

1184
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: Do you know what?

1185
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 4: Alberta is so beautiful? That's where that ban Off Park is.

1186
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 4: Have you ever been there?

1187
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 6: No?

1188
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: But my one of my best friends lives in Vancouver.

1189
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: That count Christy.

1190
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, now it's first Columbia, but that that whole western

1191
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 4: part of Canada literally God's country.

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: It is so incredibly beautiful up there. Why are all

1193
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: Canadians so lovely?

1194
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 4: I know they are there. It makes us look bad,

1195
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: it makes Americans look bad. I don't like it. They're wonderful,

1196
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: genuine and thank you for that.

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00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we were talking about that.

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00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 4: We were talking about it, we were talking about it

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Speaker 4: a little bit. So I actually did some recent on

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: this because I saw it too, and I saw that

1201
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: it had a lot the one the video that I

1202
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: saw had a lot of engagement. There were a lot

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01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 4: of likes, there were a lot of reposts, there were

1204
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: a lot of comments. And that's what the goal is,

1205
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: you guys. Like, every comment is engagement. Every like is

1206
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 4: another penny, you know, especially on TikTok when you're in

1207
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 4: their creator fund. Every you know, every engagement is another

1208
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: point into the creator fund for these people. And so

1209
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 4: I always am suspicious about videos like that. So I

1210
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: went and looked and it's not true. So it's just

1211
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: not true. The Virginia, I think the Virginia State Police

1212
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 4: actually came out and had to make a comment about

1213
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: it because they were getting so many calls. There was

1214
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 4: there was like a big news article about it. They

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 4: don't have a handy, but there was, Yeah, there was

1216
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: a big article about it. But it's it's just not true.

1217
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 4: If somebody is running with that story for engagement. Hate,

1218
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I hate. I'm not trying to. Okay said,

1219
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 4: how scary is the idea of the idea?

1220
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Speaker 3: And I said, ice cream truck rolling around? By the way.

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 3: Ice cream trucks, it's kind.

1222
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Speaker 2: Of in that context are so scary. It's like the

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01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: start of a really scary creepy movie.

1224
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: Like I expect the clown on the wheel right exactly,

1225
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 4: And who didn't like all of us ran to that

1226
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: darn truck.

1227
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Speaker 3: You just hear that. Oh my god, I'm a New Yorker.

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Speaker 2: So the mister Smoothie truck. Do you remember? Even as adults,

1229
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: we would love that mister Smoothie truck. But just like

1230
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: the regular old school kind of ice cream truck.

1231
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Speaker 3: That rolls through America.

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Speaker 2: Is nothing against ice cream truckers, by the way, so

1233
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Speaker 2: we're not putting a bad stain on ice cream.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't.

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Speaker 2: But just like the sound and it's evening time and

1236
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Speaker 2: kids are running.

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Speaker 3: To and that's the video.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: It's like one or two in the morning. It's like

1240
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: slowly going down the street and it's playing like like

1241
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 4: a song, and the speeders kind of like you know,

1242
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 4: out of It's scary. Yeah, and that's by design. That

1243
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: is a hundred percent by designs.

1244
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 5: This was this was making its round because there's a

1245
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 5: movie Weapons that do with children that have been disappearing.

1246
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: So there's this whole correlation as to why that TikTok

1247
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 5: is becoming popular. But either way, I agree with your

1248
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 5: stepf creepy ice cream trucks, uh SOMETHINGI.

1249
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: Although I want ice cream so weirdly right now, the

1250
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: kind of has like the little chocolate bar in the middle.

1251
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: What was that one called?

1252
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: It's like surrounded by crumbs, you like it's a strawberry shortcake,

1253
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: but like the chocolate kind.

1254
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: I like the strawberry or cake. Oh it's so good.

1255
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: What is that called? Oh? My goodness? And just like

1256
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 3: the what's the one with the red white? If you

1257
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Speaker 3: know the answer, give us a call. Eight.

1258
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Speaker 4: This is true Crime Tonight. I'm body moved and I

1259
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: live in this hellucker. Stephanie's just still she's still going.

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Speaker 5: She's still going.

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 4: Keith A ray Hare a True Crime Tonight. We're going

1262
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 4: to be getting into talkbacks.

1263
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: What do we have next, any ladies?

1264
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 14: I have a question about Marilyn Monroe.

1265
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 6: Oh is it true that her body was moved a

1266
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 6: few hours after she was discovered?

1267
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: Allegedly?

1268
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: Yes, really, yes, I've heard, yeah, allegedly allegedly allegedly. But listen,

1269
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: this is a story that has had rumors upon rumors

1270
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: circling it, so it's hard to tell what is like

1271
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: completely factual versus what is not. But yes, that has

1272
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: been speculated so many times. It also has been speculated that, you.

1273
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Speaker 3: Know, the corner.

1274
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: There's just been a lot about was there a cover up?

1275
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: So whenever there's a cover up, you know, being discussed,

1276
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: it's hard to know what's right or wrong.

1277
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: A little bit like Elaine Maxwell right now.

1278
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's yeah, that's kind of creepy and scary

1279
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 5: as well. But yeah, I have not heard that rumor.

1280
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that either. I really don't know a

1281
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: lot about the Marrily Mineral thing.

1282
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: Though, I don't know, do you know.

1283
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: I just love America's sweetheart and your untimely death that

1284
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: was under suspicious circumstances. I'm curious, I mean, I do,

1285
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: what is it about marily Monroe that you didn't want

1286
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: to follow.

1287
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 3: It's not that I didn't want to follow it.

1288
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 4: I just had a million other things I was following

1289
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: them in My plate is only so full, you know

1290
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 4: what I mean? And then I have seven thousand emails

1291
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 4: of people asking me for help on stuff.

1292
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Speaker 2: What do you have against Marilyn I trauma? She was

1293
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 2: just you know, entertaining all of America at her whim

1294
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: while being drug frankly potentially killed, I don't know, tragic,

1295
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly allegedly.

1296
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: Wait, so where was her body moved to?

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: What it was like all on the bed, but you know,

1298
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: the circumstance of how she died, it all looked a

1299
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: little I'm going to sound crazy right now, but if

1300
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: you look at even like Whitney Houston's death scene, dare

1301
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: I say, it looks like it's just ma'am, I'm like,

1302
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: who has a hotel room like that? What even a

1303
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: drug addict, dare I say? Lived in that manner? It's

1304
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: like almost as though if you wanted to take a

1305
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: photo of like that were up to no good drugs

1306
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: were involved. It almost looks staged.

1307
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: Right. So it has been alleged that Marilymn Rose death

1308
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,959
Speaker 3: scene almost looked.

1309
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Staged, like there's pills next to you know, like, okay,

1310
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: is that really what would it look like if you

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Speaker 2: were going to take your own life at that time? Again,

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Speaker 2: we don't really know the answer to this. It's the

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01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: the question of the time. But you know, suspicious things.

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Speaker 5: How would you know the body was moved? Like why

1315
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 5: would that even come into question if the police come in.

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 5: I just know the body had been moved.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 4: I just googled it because I'm like what and it

1318
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 4: there is a legitimate question and it says did Marilyn

1319
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: Monroe's body really go missing for six hours after her death?

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: Because there was a timeline gap.

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01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: Again, these were different times as we got to have

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01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: social media, nobody had a cell phone, so you are

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01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: relying to official reports, and there were a lot of

1324
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: high profile people involved in this case. So you know,

1325
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, you know, why am I spacing

1326
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: on her name overboard? The most beautiful actress of all time?

1327
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: West Side Story? Who was the actress that was like

1328
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: Natalie Wood? It's like there's so much speculation because we

1329
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: just don't know. Honestly, don't get me started on Natalie Wood.

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Speaker 2: Listen without further ado, let's jump right in. What's our

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: next talk?

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Speaker 6: Bout Hey, guys love the show. Have you ever heard

1333
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 6: about this new case coming out of New Mexico. It

1334
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 6: was an eighteen year old boy and he shot his

1335
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 6: Uber driver and killed him, and he said he did

1336
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 6: it just to let off some steam. Don't understand this

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 6: juvenile violence that we're staying increased in the country.

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Speaker 14: It's really troubling and I think it speaks to the

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 14: psychopathy of our young people.

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01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah, So I do know about this. Actually

1341
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 4: I didn't know about this. So this guy, all I

1342
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 4: really remember about him is that he has a weird

1343
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: first name and his last name is like Sanchez, and

1344
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 4: he's and he's eighteen years old out of Albuquerque, I believe.

1345
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 4: And he was going to his girlfriend's house and she

1346
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 4: called him an Uber and he apparently went through a

1347
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: bunch of drivers and chose one that he wanted to kill.

1348
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he said he's seen those he targeted Uber.

1349
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 4: Well, he didn't know him. He just looked at the picture,

1350
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, And he said he just was what

1351
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 4: he was letting off his team because he was stressed.

1352
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: But shut the front door I swear to God. But

1353
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 4: he also during the interview, if I'm trying to remember,

1354
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 4: during the interviews, he said that he's killed before too,

1355
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 4: when he was little, like when he was younger, when

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01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: he was little.

1357
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: He was eighteen years old at this time.

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 4: Why little?

1359
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean fifteen?

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: I oh, my goodness of two year old Atolice are

1361
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 4: investigating those other people that he said he he killed. Yeah,

1362
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: I'd imagine. I thought I emailed this to you guys

1363
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 4: to talk about. This is the first I'm hearing about it.

1364
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 5: No one, but I definitely we should definitely cover it.

1365
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 4: It's eighteen years old out of Albuquerque shot it. He

1366
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: shot the uber driver, and he's confessed to other crimes.

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 4: And his mudshot is really creepy. It's like, oh, you

1368
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: can't see me. That's a really dumb thing to do

1369
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 4: on the radio. I'm making a.

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: Face that's a very good face, Like why why that do?

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: What is that face that you're trying to make. It's

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: like you look a little you look a little like

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: you look stressed. I'm a stressful stress. Okay, so it's

1374
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: a stressful face. But again, that is a very unfortunate

1375
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: fan for all drivers were out there driving everybody around.

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 5: Do you see there was recently on the daily I

1377
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 5: don't know if you listened to that. They had a

1378
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: whole investigative report on how there was an increase in

1379
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 5: the number of like uber crimes or with the drivers,

1380
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 5: and they knew a lot of them were going on,

1381
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 5: but they kept it all under wraps, like it's just

1382
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 5: the person was able to get some of their inside

1383
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 5: documents to see how many crimes were happening with uber drivers,

1384
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 5: and its kind of disturbing. Yeah, that's another one. I

1385
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 5: wanted to maybe have us do in the scary.

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: What you can do if they are young adults and

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01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: their kids are teenager.

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 4: I think it was like lockdown, like COVID. Did you

1389
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 4: guys seem like anything like that has anything to do

1390
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 4: with it? Or is it just the twenty four hour

1391
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 4: news cycle and our unsatiable thirst for true crime?

1392
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 5: I think it's what were you I was going to say,

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 5: I think it's a combo of both. But I think

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01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 5: I definitely see a lot more of social media like

1395
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 5: things that I had never heard about. All these we

1396
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 5: would have never talked about this uber driver. I think

1397
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 5: there's now a bigger world of news that we're getting

1398
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 5: so much easier.

1399
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: So it just feels like.

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: Right, it feels like it's constant. But at the same time,

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: thank goodness we're hearing about it, because now I'll think

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01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: twice about making sure that I'm choosing the correct Uber

1403
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: and checking the stars, and I'm sure I actually look

1404
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: at the license like you.

1405
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 3: Know me, I'm the dummy.

1406
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, like Uber closely, Yeah it's me,

1407
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: Like I don't they don't check my name. I'm out

1408
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: looking at the license plate like I'm in the backseat,

1409
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: just driving in nowhere first to be killed in the movie.

1410
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, it makes you think you have to check

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: the license plate, make sure that you do.

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 4: It's not and they ask you for your pen now too,

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 4: because it gives you like a random ten number to

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 4: give the driver to passenger. Yeah.

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01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an option on Uber app. So I would

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 5: definitely recommend it. I started setting that up because I

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 5: kept getting in the wrong Uber when I's why go

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 5: to Proton.

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: Because you.

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: Were we at the same time jumping into the rover

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: with checking her license p.

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01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 5: I've literally gotten into a person's car that wasn't an

1423
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 5: Uber driver.

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01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: It was just a regular person.

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 5: But That's how I think anyway, But I feel like

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01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 5: it's tough for another talkback.

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01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 9: Hi does this Jackie from North Carolina and I just

1428
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 9: wanted to talk a little bit about Delaine Maxwell. I

1429
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 9: am actually very worried for Glane that they've moved her

1430
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 9: to a lower security prison that perhaps that means that

1431
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 9: somebody can get to her kne near. Granted, she is

1432
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 9: a criminal and deserves to be where she's at, but

1433
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 9: that is something that kind of expecting at this point.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting conspiracy theory, by the way, as

1436
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: you say that, there's some truth here, because listen, if

1437
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: she's not getting a pardon, so they're like, hey, look,

1438
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: let's just send her to a minimum security prison, and

1439
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 2: then they send her there, and then there's really it's

1440
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: publicly known that there's not a lot of surveillance. There's

1441
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: not a lot of people checking in on her. There's

1442
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: not twenty four hour cameras everywhere. So God forbids something

1443
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: were to happen to her. Not that we are suggesting

1444
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: it should, because that is not the crime she's committed of.

1445
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying she should do the time in the

1446
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: place for the crime she's been convicted of no harm

1447
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: should come to her. But if it did, is that

1448
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 2: another way of the government maybe throwing her.

1449
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: To the wolves?

1450
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: And then after the fact, they're like, there were no cameras.

1451
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, she was very likable.

1452
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: Isn't this a prison that she went to like minimum security,

1453
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: like blue collar.

1454
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I wanted to do bad things to her.

1455
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: There would be very little coverage of that event, which

1456
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: is a reminiscent a bit of Epstein.

1457
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: So that's perspective.

1458
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 4: So we're thinking, let me just supplay this out, all right,

1459
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 4: because I got to play it out.

1460
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: We're not thinking a prisoner is going to do something.

1461
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 4: We're thinking somebody's going to be hired to go to

1462
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 4: prison hit man, to go to the prison like yes,

1463
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 4: to be a prisoner, like a pet prisoner.

1464
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: She's the one with all the info print to her

1465
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: own admission, she's talking to everybody. She has talked to

1466
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people, by the way, she stuck to

1467
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And there's been like mum's the

1468
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: word about any of it. All anybody has said is nope,

1469
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. Actually, come to think of it,

1470
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: based on all of our interviews, there's really no new

1471
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: information outside of what was already you know, handed over

1472
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: in the courtroom.

1473
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: Okay. So and we're all kind of like, okay, because that's.

1474
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: What we we should do, right, Like we have to

1475
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: believe like at some point to what end. But yeah,

1476
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: now they're like, hey, we're going to just toss you

1477
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: in this lower security prison where there's very little oversight,

1478
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 2: if you will, What if something the farious happens God

1479
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: forbid to Gilayne Maxwell, you know, some saying that's what

1480
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: happened to you know, Epstein. So I just don't know

1481
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: who would be in charge of what and where and why,

1482
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: and like it just feels like there's a lot of

1483
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: bigger players and it's hard to track.

1484
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: So that's a very interesting perspective.

1485
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 5: That is a good perspective. But I do think if

1486
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 5: anything happens on her now, it would be super suspiciously,

1487
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 5: Like she's.

1488
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: In the news all the time. What pitchforks? Who would

1489
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: be having the pitchforks think about it? She's been raked

1490
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 2: through the coles. Many people are angry, myself included, that

1491
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: this has gone to the level that it has. The

1492
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Gilayne Maxwell. We have put

1493
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: themselves out there and they're mad.

1494
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: So here she is.

1495
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: She's in a lower security prison. You know, they're not

1496
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 2: pardoning her, nor are they changing her conviction per se.

1497
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 2: Her like actual crimes have not been lessened or wiped away.

1498
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: They just tossed her in this like den where there's

1499
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: very little security. If something were to happen to her,

1500
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know. Again, this is a theory.

1501
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 2: I'm just like jumping in here. Or she gets to

1502
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: live the next epteenth years, you know, very comfortably, or

1503
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: she gets a pardon.

1504
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 3: Those are the three choices.

1505
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 4: Good talkback, you got stuff to be fired up.

1506
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: I got to deal with it. Yeah, all night, all night.

1507
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 4: Fire I think we do. If you want to give

1508
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 4: us a talkback, if it's or just hit the download,

1509
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, download the iHeartRadio app and hit the

1510
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 4: little microphone in the top right hand corner and you'll

1511
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 4: be on the show.

1512
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 3: So let's let's get another.

1513
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 8: One, hey, ladies.

1514
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 14: I just wanted to bring up Andrew Canana discussion.

1515
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 9: The history teacher in me had to kind of maybe

1516
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,879
Speaker 9: bring up something about the idea of going postal.

1517
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 5: In the meeting.

1518
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 14: It was back to the nineteen eighties.

1519
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 11: Where postal workers were over worked and super stressed.

1520
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 14: And they went crazy, if you will, and that led

1521
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 14: to act of violence, not people showing up post offices

1522
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 14: for fame, Andy think.

1523
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yep, that's correct, it was.

1524
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:38,480
Speaker 4: It was do My ex dad was a postal inspector

1525
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 4: in the car job in California, and this I'm not

1526
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 4: I'm dating myself a little bit, but this was the

1527
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 4: early nineties, okay. And I learned that from him. Yeah,

1528
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 4: that it's it was due to the postal workers kind

1529
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 4: of being super stressed.

1530
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: And you know, everyone's so rude to the postal they

1531
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: really are.

1532
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 4: It is so true, that is, And I never, I never,

1533
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 4: I don't understand why. Like my mailman is literally the

1534
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 4: nicest person on.

1535
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: Mind, yeah mine, like game no, No, I think it's

1536
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: like in the office the post.

1537
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 3: I never got there.

1538
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: Who dreads It's like DMV right, like we all kind

1539
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: of dread going.

1540
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: On that line.

1541
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: And it's a thing I can't imagine going in that

1542
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: am obviously. But that's a really interesting, you know point.

1543
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: I hadn't really heard. Of course, I had heard the

1544
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: term going postal, but I really it never even occurred

1545
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: to me that it was about a postal office, which

1546
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 2: is you know, pathetic. So yeah, thank you for the clarity.

1547
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Sam.

1548
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 5: What were you going to say?

1549
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 3: I can't be the only one thinking this.

1550
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,520
Speaker 5: I just think the perfect response is Newman from Seinfeld

1551
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 5: where he says, because the male just keeps coming and coming,

1552
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 5: and it never stopped.

1553
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:56,919
Speaker 3: Never stopped.

1554
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 4: Do you remember over the route when yeah, and he

1555
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 4: he was like shoving the mail into the into the slot.

1556
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 4: He just keeps coming and then it just how the

1557
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 4: mail comes.

1558
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: Out comes dying through. I used to be I uce

1559
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: to have a paper out. I had. My first job

1560
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 3: was paper out. It was the worst job ive ever had.

1561
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: The worst Remember were to do the penny saver where

1562
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: you have to are we to say prayed in Sunday

1563
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 2: different the same all at once, like yeah, the penny saver,

1564
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: the wrapping it all up and putting it in there.

1565
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 3: And then the Sunday gets in and you got to.

1566
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 5: Put the paper or you can say collect.

1567
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: You have to go collect and go to people's doors

1568
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 2: and not on.

1569
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 3: How dangerous was that?

1570
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 5: Look that that was very streets in the dark.

1571
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 3: You would go at night, what am I doing?

1572
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: That's why we're talking about this because those days are

1573
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: a little bit over.

1574
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: At last that was very that was unsafe. It wasn't safe.

1575
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 3: Next us just we're nuts.

1576
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: This night has gone by like I don't know, it's

1577
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: gone by way so quick.

1578
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: Everybody's nodding their head the same way. Right now.

1579
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: We're all in unison. I hope you guys are too.

1580
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: Talk back Tuesdays strikes again. Always a pleasure hearing from

1581
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: you guys. But by the way, it doesn't only have

1582
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 2: to be on Tuesday, so you can talk anytime you

1583
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: on eight A eight to three to one crime any night.

1584
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: We're here Sunday through Thursday. Obviously, if you've missed any

1585
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: of the live show, you can catch us right after

1586
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 2: as a podcast, and if you can, tomorrow, we're premiering

1587
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: our podcast on iHeart the Idaho Massacre Season three. You'll

1588
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: recognize many of the player's body of course, Courtney Armstrong

1589
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 2: is the voice who narrates it. Joseph Scott Morgan and

1590
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: Jeannette Levy, you know, Jarrett Farantino, we have you know,

1591
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: so many of our regulars are also weighing in on

1592
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: the podcast, and I have to tell you there are

1593
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: some real shocking developments in there.

1594
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 3: So we hope you'll tune in.

1595
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 4: And I'm outage.

1596
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 3: What do you want to do? One more talk back?

1597
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1598
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 4: Do we have time? Can we? I think what you decide?

1599
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 4: You're in charge, I'm in charge, You're the boss baby.

1600
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 4: I want to raise mmm? Okay you made both? Like, okay,

1601
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 4: we would like some raises.

1602
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 3: Tasa.

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01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 16: Hey, ladies, this is Sylvia again from Florida. I was

1604
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 16: on vacation all last week, so I missed you guys.

1605
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 16: I had a binge everything on the weekend. But I

1606
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 16: am at another talkback.

1607
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 3: I love them.

1608
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 16: Body is just in it with the documents, like she

1609
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 16: is just in her helmet.

1610
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: We love that.

1611
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 16: I hate that my Red String Society got crushed by Dawn,

1612
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 16: but I totally get it. And it's sad because I

1613
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 16: don't have Instagram anymore and I can't vote. Is there

1614
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 16: any other way that I can vote? Because I'm so

1615
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 16: in this club. Thank you, ladies for all you do.

1616
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: I wanted Red String Society. I love her.

1617
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 5: I know you did.

1618
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: You can't do it. No, no, no, no, just like Conjo

1619
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 3: is weird things. No No, it's all got beat out.

1620
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 3: But what is the other way?

1621
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think right, now she should have just maybe

1622
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 2: you call us with your vote and we'll give a

1623
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: handwritten ballot.

1624
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 3: It's it's too late, he said.

1625
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 4: We are to win it.

1626
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 5: Sadly, we already picked it. They're closed. It was only

1627
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 5: a twenty four hours.

1628
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 3: This place tight leash. We're on a tight leash here.

1629
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 5: But this might make her feel better. I think the

1630
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 5: choice that they have, we've gone with is the best one.

1631
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 5: So she's going to be happy.

1632
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 3: You're bias. Okay, you are biased.

1633
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: Everybody's nodding with excitement though, So that's going to happen tomorrow.

1634
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: The big reveal is tomorrow.

1635
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: Right Wednesday reveal with Toronto Fear, our favorite pop culture

1636
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: true crime expert, always the best of Is he going

1637
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: to be the big reveal?

1638
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 3: Is he going to say it like?

1639
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 2: Is there a drum roll salmon at and we have

1640
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 2: like a smoke machine or is there like a stroke.

1641
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 5: Blood say, like a drum band?

1642
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: Like we wear.

1643
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: Matching outfits, Oh my god, the hoodie sweatshirts and with

1644
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: little cups in the Chaka Is.

1645
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 13: Visual radio show. You know that we can come up

1646
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 13: with something auditory.

1647
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 3: Okay, great, I like the idea exactly. I maybe like

1648
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: a dance theme song for.

1649
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 5: Sometimes a big number. Now you forgot it?

1650
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 12: Okay, for just that.

1651
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 5: I was just going to add I going to talk

1652
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 5: a lot about the so called ketamine queen. Oh yes,

1653
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 5: so we're going to dig into that one, because that

1654
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 5: is that's.

1655
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: A really interesting case, because any sort of it is.

1656
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 4: When I tell you I don't know anything about Hollywood,

1657
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 4: I am not lying, like if it's a star, if

1658
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 4: it's a star, or like I'm just like, ignore, why

1659
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 4: do you hate Maril Monroe? I just don't.

1660
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1661
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 4: It's okay, it's okay, just enough attention, they get enough attention.

1662
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: I want to like pay attention to people who don't

1663
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 4: get enough attention. Maybe I don't know.

1664
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1665
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 3: You just don't like dead celebrities. I see. Okay, a

1666
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 3: fair fair, we are equal, evertunists. That's fair.

1667
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: But yes, listen tomorrow, the ketymine Queen is a big one.

1668
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,440
Speaker 2: That's the person who gave the lethal dose of ketamine,

1669
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: by her own admission, now pleading guilty in Matthew Perry's

1670
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 2: death from Friends. We'll be following that and much more.

1671
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: Listen true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

1672
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.

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01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 3: Please stay safe. We'll be back tomorrow mac