1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: colleague Weston Hodko. It's coming to you hear from our 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: studios at lambeau Field West, final show of the twenty 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: twenty four off season here for us, we spent the 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: last couple of days out there at mini camp practice. 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 2: There were a couple press conferences, a bunch of locker 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: room interviews. So let's review the end of the tail 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: end of the off season program here. I'll just throw 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: it out to you. 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: What was your. 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: Biggest takeaway from this two day mini camp. 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: Jordan Love was locked in, and you know, the defense 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: had their moments. I've mentioned this to you before. I 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: think Edrin Cooper seeing the athleticism, the explosiveness of him, 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: you know, thought I thought some of the defensive front 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: really got some nice penetration, some pressure as much as 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: you can in non padded practices. But at the end 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: of the day, man, we were looking for Jordan Love 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: to take a step and I felt like seeing his 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: progression from twenty twenty one where it was like, Okay, 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: well we're seeing this young guy start to learn the 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 3: position more and get more comfortable to where Matt Lafleur 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: was talking about, he's allowing him to call his own 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: two minute offense at times, he's allowing him to kind 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: of expand his repertoire and in his understanding of where 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: things are. Jordan Love is one of the coolest, calmest 29 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: customers that I think I've ever covered, regardless of the 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: position he plays, and just seeing him bring together the 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: experience factor now is fascinating. He still has yet to 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: play more than thirteen hundred offensive snaps in the National 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: Football League. He's still twenty five years old. And I 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: quoted Rick Flair and Insider Inbox. He got to edit 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: that on Thursday. But it's only just begun, I guess 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: also the carpenters. 37 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's that's true. That's true too. I mean, 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm totally with you on Jordan Love. I thought I 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: thought there were periods in each of those practices Tuesday 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: and Wednesday where he looked ultra sharp, where he really 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: had that first unit offense clicking for as much as 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: you can say that when it's not in pads and 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: and you know, the blocking up front is you know 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: is not the same of course when when guys aren't 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: fully dressed, but along those same lines, I just get this. 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: I got this vibe over the couple of days that 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: and I maybe, yes, I probably said this earlier on 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: one of our shows earlier during OTAs, but I just 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: get the sense that this Packers team is ready to go. 50 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: If training camp were on Monday, these guys would be like, 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: all right, let's roll here. Let you know, let's get 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: to it. You know that that's that's the that's the 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: sense I get from the locker room in general, both 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: from the veteran guys and the younger guys. Everybody wants 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: to take their break. Don't get me wrong. 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: For Sean Gary might not. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: What's that for Sean Gary might? Yeah, I don't know 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: if I'm not sure if Sean Gary ever ever takes 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: a break. 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: But you know, there is there is a time to 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: there is a time here to to relax a little bit, 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: to recharge, to reset. But at the same time, I think, 63 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: I think these guys when when they do come back 64 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: for training camp, they will one hundred percent be ready 65 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: to go and get into that full one hundred percent 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: preparation mode for the regular season. 67 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: I think listening to Romeo Dobbs, to whom I'll discuss 68 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: in a minute, because he's another one of the guys 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: that really stood out to me again this offseason stopped 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: me for heard that before the last two summers. 71 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: Or two springs. 72 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: But right Romeo Dobbs was talking about how special, uh, 73 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: this locker room is and the camaraderie of this team is. 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: And I think a really good indicator of that is 75 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: I wrote a couple of weeks ago. Actually it was 76 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: earlier this week. Sorry, everything's getting meshed together about Jaden 77 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: Reid and Dantavian Wicks living together for two months leading 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: up to coming back for the off season program. Dobbs 79 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: said he's already gotten together with Jordan Love before they 80 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: came back for the off season program. Obviously they share 81 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: a coach, an off season coach, that they get some 82 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: working together. It sounds like the receivers are going to 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: get together with Jordan again during this break. And then 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: Rashan Gary, who also said he wishes there was another 85 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: week of the offseason program. This kind of a funny moment, 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: he said, him, Preston Smith and Kenny Clark are actually 87 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: going to pull together the defensive line either down in 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: Dallas or California. They haven't sorted that out yet to 89 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: get together for some workouts as well. This is a 90 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: group that generally enjoys being around one another, and that 91 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: is not always a given in the National Football League. 92 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: This is a business. People have families, they have interest, 93 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: they have things they want to do in those four 94 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: or five weeks that they can get away from here 95 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: before quarterbacks and young players have to report back on 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: July seventeenth. But you can tell that the leadership in 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: there and the way that they handle their day to 98 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: day business, this is a group that generally enjoys being 99 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: around one another. And it's not even just the position groups. 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: I was in the scrum with Preston Smith and Carington 101 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: Valentine is coming over talking to him afterwards. They're having 102 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: the fun back and forth over some stuff. That is 103 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: what I think often will separate the good teams from 104 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: the potentially great ones, is when it isn't that you're 105 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: just going out there and doing a job, it's that 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: you're playing for one another. And you know, Kai Walker 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: mentioned it too. He's been on national championship teams, He's 108 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: played on some really good football teams in the past. 109 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: The camaraderie for June twelfth is already there. And that's 110 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: the thing that when the season gets long and when 111 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: you face adversity, is what you often have to lean 112 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: back on, is that camaraderie. Yeah. 113 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Getting back to the impressions that some players made 114 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: on us, you mentioned Edgrin Cooper a minute ago, and 115 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: I have to say, you could see when when that 116 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: defensive call from Jeff Hafley or whoever was calling it 117 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: during the eleven on eleven and OTAs when there was 118 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: a call that turned Edgern Cooper loose. You could see 119 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: how an off ball linebacker had eight sacks last season 120 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: in college, which is a ridiculous number for a guy 121 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: who doesn't even line up on the line of scrimmage. 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Right Brian Gudakunst had made a comment, and one of 123 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: the other that we heard from during the draft made 124 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: a similar comment. It might have been John Eric Sullivan, 125 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: but it was something to something to the effect of 126 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: that Edgrin Cooper's speed is just different. 127 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: It just looks different out there. 128 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: And I thought, particularly during this mini camp, when Cooper 129 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: seemed to be just settling in a little bit more 130 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: in terms of knowing what he's doing on defense, and 131 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: as I said, some calls that were turning him loose 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: a little bit and just letting him, letting him attack 133 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: the backfield and either go after the quarterback or go 134 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: after that TfL on a running play. I thought, I mean, 135 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: his his speed absolutely jumps off the field. There's there's 136 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: no there's no denying it. And and it's not a 137 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: surprise when when you see that for the first time 138 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: in person, at least for me, it's not a surprise 139 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: then that this guy was drafted where he was and 140 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: and was, you know, one of the first off ball 141 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: linebackers to be taken in this draft. 142 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: His forty time is better than half the cornerbacks that 143 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: were drafted. I mean when he's running in four or 144 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: five one, which was a hundredth of a second faster 145 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 3: than Kay Walker's a year earlier or two years earlier. 146 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: This guy is a real physical specimen. Now, I cautioned, 147 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 3: I think both an inbox and in a on Twitter 148 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: saying there's a lot that goes into play an inside 149 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: linebacker beyond just athleticism. But one of the things we 150 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: saw from Jeff Hafley in these mini camp practices, they 151 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: dialed up a lot of blitzes. And it wasn't just 152 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: the third down variety. I mean they brought a lot 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: of it. 154 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: They were they weren't holding back. 155 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: Eric Wilson was doing it. They were running you know, 156 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: Corey Ballantine. They were running a lot of these things 157 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: to throw some extra pressure at the opposing quarterback. But 158 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: when it was Edgrin Cooper, it was almost like that 159 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: suffocating speed where it's like Mike McCarthy used to like 160 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: that used to use that two point five second shot 161 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: clock to throw the football. 162 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: It's more it's more like it needs to be two 163 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: point two, you know, Like there's just there's that there's 164 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: that little extra edge to it that you know, well, 165 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: you know the quarterback is speeding up that clock in 166 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: his head when it's number fifty six, who gets turned loose. 167 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: And that's why it's gonna be fun to watch him 168 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: when you get the linebacker first, running backs, pass protection drills, 169 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: when you see some of the team stuff, when the 170 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: pads come on during training camp, the guy is very 171 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: exciting to watch. And the Packers are taking this thing slow. 172 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: He's not in there every time with the ones they're 173 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: using Isaam McDuffie. Eric Wilson's getting a lot of reps 174 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: there as well. But when you look at Cooper and 175 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: if kway Walker shows that he's able to handle that 176 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: mic role really well this year, Cooper's gonna find his 177 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: way on the field, there's just gonna be too much. 178 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: He is too much of an athlete, not too Yeah. 179 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think we're gonna be seeing I think we're 180 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: gonna be seeing a lot of him. There's very little 181 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: doubt about that. You mentioned Romeo Dobbs earlier. I'll let 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: you I'll let you take it from there. The steadiness, 183 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: the steadiness with which he performs, and I thought, you know, 184 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: his his rookie year, he was starting to establish that, 185 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: but then he had some moments in games that were 186 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: were some letdown moments where where you're just like, oh, like, 187 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, he failed to maybe take you know, make 188 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: the make the play that everybody was hoping he was 189 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: gonna make in a certain situation. But but man, oh man, 190 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: we just see you know, Romeo Dobbs, he doesn't he 191 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: doesn't look any different, you know. I mean, I'm sure 192 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: you know his body is a little bit different than 193 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: than it was as a rookie, but he doesn't really 194 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: look any different. He's running, he's running his routes the same. 195 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: He's you know, he's got he's got the strong hands 196 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: and everything. But there's something he's he's added something to 197 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: where he just has a presence on the practice field 198 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: now even though he's you know, he's not Christian Watson 199 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: and you know, beating everybody deep and whatever. He doesn't 200 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: have that doesn't have that breakaway speed or whatever at 201 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: wide receiver. But you can feel Romeo dobs presence on 202 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: the practice field when he and Jordan Love sort of 203 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: you know, have their little telepathy going. And I thought 204 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: that started to show through here towards the particularly towards. 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: The end of the off season. 206 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: From Dob said it on Wednesday, Jordan Love was his 207 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: quarterback first in Green Bay when he was running with 208 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: the you know, the twos or whatever you want to 209 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: call him back in twenty twenty two, before he started 210 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: to establish himself as a starter. He was with Love 211 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: every day in practice. That telepathy that's been building up 212 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: now for over two calendar years. And what I enjoy 213 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: most about watching Romeo because it was what hit me 214 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: the most I was very impressed with his practice on Wednesday, 215 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: thought he he catches the ball effortlessly. Everything is so seamless. 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: The greatest like Jordy Nelson, make it look so easy. 217 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 3: It makes it look like anybody can go out there 218 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: and do this. 219 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: It makes every play, he makes every play look routine, 220 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: routine when what is when what is going on out 221 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: there in terms of in terms of the read and 222 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: the break and sometimes the catch not always the most routine, 223 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: but he makes it look that way. 224 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely so when you bring it back and Matt Lafleur 225 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: goes up to the podium and he was asked yesterday 226 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: or on Wednesday about him, and he says, you know, 227 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: I thought he had an outstanding spring, And I immediately 228 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: thought to myself and I'm like, he had an outstanding 229 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: spring in twenty twenty three too. He had an outstanding 230 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: spring in twenty twenty two to get himself on the 231 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: radar as a guy that hey with Alan Lazard and 232 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: Sammy Watkins and Randall Cobb, this guy could potentially contribute 233 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: right out of the gate too. And I just don't 234 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: And as Lafloor also added, he didn't even know if 235 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: he had a bad practice this spring. And that's just 236 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: the way Romeo is. If he drops a ball, you're 237 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: surprised if he's not in the right spot. It's almost 238 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: unheard of. The guy is so about his business, and 239 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 3: it's the way he carries himself off the field, it's 240 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: the way he handles himself on the field. He has 241 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: a neat personality. He was joking around. You and I 242 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: were laughing at some of the stuff he was doing 243 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: on the punt return drill, you know, kind of joshing 244 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: around with some of the other guys on the punt 245 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: coverage unit. But at the end of the day, when 246 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: it comes to playing professional football again, I don't want 247 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: to get into this wide receiver one, wide receiver two. 248 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: But Jordan Love knows if he needs to turn to 249 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: number eighty seven, that guy's gonna come through for him. 250 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 251 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: And the way and the way Dobbs goes about his business, 252 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: the extra work he puts in, the the intense focus 253 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: with which he goes about every drill, whether it's an 254 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: individual drill, whether it's an eleven on eleven snap. He's 255 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: not looking. He's not looking for attention or accolades for 256 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: the work. Ethic and how he goes about it to 257 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbslake, I'm a professional wide receiver. This is how 258 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: you're supposed to do the job right, and and he just. 259 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: He takes it. 260 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: He takes it seriously, absolutely every every minute that he's 261 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: in this building. One other thing, he's built record wide receiver. 262 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: Two. Yeah, that was the thing when you're talking about 263 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: his physique when I was watching him. Not to interrupt you, 264 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: but no, no, that was one point I wanted to make. 265 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 3: He's how you design a wide receiver. And I think 266 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 3: that's why I think you could put him in any 267 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: era of Packers football, whether it was the twenty tens, 268 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 3: the twenty twenties, when the Mike McCarthy era started, this 269 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: guy would have success. He just he is that type 270 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: of football player. 271 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally, I totally agree with you. One other 272 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: thing I'll throw at you with regard to you know, 273 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: call it a you know, mini epiphany or whatever that 274 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: I have many there you go, j R. Alexander was 275 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: one of the veterans. There were a few veterans Alexander, 276 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney, Keishawn Nixon who were excused from the mini camp. 277 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: They weren't there so there was some shuffling going on 278 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: in the defensive backfield in terms of the combinations and 279 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: who was with the ones and the twos and the rotations, 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But it dawned on me watching 281 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: Eric Stokes and Carrington Valentine essentially be the starting outside 282 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: corners with the number one defense. This is setting up 283 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: to be a heck of a training camp competition for 284 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: who's going to be cornerback number two between these two guys. 285 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: And they're two of the most I guess you'd say, 286 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: jovial type guys in the locker room. You know, they're 287 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: laughing and joking around and all this kind of stuff. 288 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: But man, those two are gonna go at it on 289 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: the field in training camp to see who is going 290 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: to be the outside boundary corner starter opposite of Jay 291 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: or Alexander, and it's gonna be it's gonna be entertaining 292 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: to watch. 293 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Valentine is everything that's great about the National Football League, 294 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: because again it shows you there can be two hundred 295 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: and thirty one picks and then two thirty two ends 296 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: up being a guy that looks like he could be 297 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: a bona fide starter in this league and just you know, 298 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: went out a little early, was probably a little small, 299 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: didn't have as many plays as he probably need to 300 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: make at Kentucky, just didn't have the resume built up 301 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: for a team to go out and want to make 302 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: that pick earlier. But boy, oh boy, when you look 303 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: at the size he put on, when you look at 304 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: the charisma that he has and the way he plays 305 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: the position, there is a knack. There is a X 306 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: factor that I think is associated with being able to 307 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: play cornerback. I wrote about this and Insider. I don't 308 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: know if you saw the video or not, but when 309 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: when Randall Cobb was talking about he was asked on 310 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: Busting with the Boys about what is the hardest position 311 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: to play? And he stopped in his tracks and he 312 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: said it is cornerback. And he listed off eight different 313 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: reasons why immediately about why that spot is difficult to play, 314 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: and it then dawned on me. I had my mini 315 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: epiphany where you can have every tool in the toolbox, Mike, 316 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: but if you don't have the mentals down, if you're 317 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: not willing to play on that island and understand what 318 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: comes along with that, it ain't gonna go very good 319 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: for you. Karenon Valentine has that now seeing him compete 320 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: now with Eric Stokes is gonna be fun to watch. 321 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: And as we've seen time and time again, you need 322 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: as many of those guys as possible to survive a season. 323 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: But Stokes kind of flirted around with playing in the slot. 324 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: He's not a slot corner, at least not in the 325 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: traditional sense. He's a perimeter guy. 326 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I agree, So. 327 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: You may need both, maybe you only have one at 328 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: the beginning. Who knows, depending on how the starting lineup 329 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: shorts out. But to your point, and as you wrote, 330 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: I think in the five this is one of the 331 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: things that I think is going to really be what 332 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: Jeff Hafley, with his background, is looking to accomplish during 333 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: this training campusy and exactly who's going to be the 334 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: best fit for that outside spot. 335 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. 336 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: And when you talk about that, you talk about that 337 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: mentality that a cornerback needs. I think I mentioned this 338 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: an Insider Inbox a couple of days ago. I mean, 339 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: you have you you have to take the field knowing 340 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: that you're going to be attacked, that the rules in 341 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: many ways are geared against you. The rules are tilted 342 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: toward the offensive player. To make plays against you. Plays 343 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: are going to be made against you even when you 344 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: do everything exactly right, and you have to be able 345 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: to just to just forget the whatever bad stuff happens. 346 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: You have to be able to forget it instantly and 347 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: line up again, because none of those other parameters that 348 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: I just mentioned are going to change. They are going 349 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: to be there every single play, and and it really is. 350 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: It's it's a position that has that requires a mentality 351 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 2: like no other in a lot of respects because of 352 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: the way the game is played, the way the game 353 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: is officiated, and just the combination of the smarts and 354 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: athleticism it takes to play it effectively. 355 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: It's like defenseman in hockey. I mean, you have to 356 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 3: be so apt at running backwards and keeping your balance 357 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: and flipping your hips and being able to have such 358 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: insane control of your body. Oh and then, by the way, 359 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: also don't get hurt. I mean, like, there's so much 360 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: that goes along with being able to succeed in that position. 361 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 3: But to be honest with you, I think that's one 362 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: of the reasons why this is gonna be really exciting 363 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: to watch, because the Packers have options at all these positions. 364 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: The secondary. We saw without Zavier McKinney here, Evan Williams 365 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: got some run back there. Zane Anderson had three interceptions, Yeah, 366 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: in tuesday's practice. 367 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: And welcome to the competition, right. 368 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to the competition. I mean he was very humble 369 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: about after he said that it was fun. Three plays. 370 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: Two of them probably were right in my lap. But 371 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: that being said, that's what Zane Anderson needs to do 372 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: to interject his name into this thing. Yes, with three 373 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: incoming draft picks, with you know the amount of resources 374 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: they put into that position, with Xavier McKinney coming in, 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: Anthony Johnson Junior is back and has gotten a lot 376 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: of snaps in the starting secondary this offseason. So that 377 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: competition again, it's up to Matt Lafleur, Jeff Hafley, these 378 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: coaches that decide whin that how far this thing drags on. 379 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 3: But Michael, I don't know in the first week of 380 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: a training camp practice leading up to when they finally 381 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: get those pads on, if I can remember a time 382 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: in which there have been this many jobs up for grabs, 383 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: but all the options are pretty darn good. Yeah, you're 384 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: not looking for somebody to surprise you. You're wondering who's going 385 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: to be the one that is sort of the cream 386 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: that rises to the top of that position. 387 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 388 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I want to get back to the sort 389 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: of the opening of training camp coming up here in 390 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: a minute. But I don't want to forget about our sponsors. 391 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: A serious, serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and 392 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: up to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics 393 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: need twenty four to seven, three sixty five. 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What will we be talking about 404 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: most when training camp opens? 405 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 3: Do you think it's an excellent question? I think to 406 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 3: me is where the rotations are and who's all involved 407 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: in those? Right off the bat, because I've often said, 408 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: and you and I remember when we were previewing the 409 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: offen season program or OTAs, don't pay attention to lineups, 410 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: don't pay attention to the depth charts. None of that 411 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: stuff exists right now. And Matt Lafleur even said it 412 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: on Wednesday. They just want to get guys opportunities. Jordan 413 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 3: Morgan played four different positions this training camp or this 414 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: offseason program. They want to get these guys in position 415 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: to compete for jobs at training camp. But the thing 416 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: that's always interesting is when you see the game of 417 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: musical chairs start to slow down and guys settle into 418 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: certain spots. I look at this receiving corps. I look 419 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: at this cornerback unit. I look at inside linebacker, I 420 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: look at defensive line Mike. The multitude of guys that 421 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: Green Bay can go interior, exterior, there's so many. I 422 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: was talking to Paul Brettel about this at the end 423 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: of practice on Wednesday. You know, you have Lucas Vans 424 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: and Rashan Gary and Preston Smith and kings Leanning Bardy. 425 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: But like I thought, Brenton Cox had a really nice offseason, 426 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: extremely strong hands and just violent at the point of attack. 427 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: You know, Deslin, Alexander I thought had some good place. 428 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: It's really interesting to see who can capitalize on these chances. 429 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: So my biggest storyline coming out of this is where 430 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: are all the pieces aligned when we get back and 431 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: one week into that thing, who's starting to make that 432 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: climb into their positions? 433 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 434 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that that is definitely what we're going 435 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: to be watching. I think and hope one of the 436 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: big stories as training camp opens is that Jordan Loves 437 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: going to have a new contract. I think I think 438 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: that that is going to happen, And even if it 439 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: doesn't happen maybe by the first day of training camp. 440 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 3: It'll definitely happen on the day you're on PTO. 441 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as they take a day off, it'll happen. 442 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: Right. But aside from that, which I think will be 443 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: will will certainly be a big story. But the one, 444 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: the one name when you're talking about some of the 445 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: shifting in musical chairs and stuff that've been going on, 446 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: the one name that I'm going to be watching the 447 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: most closely as to where he is is Jordan Morgan, 448 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: the first round draft pick on the offensive line. Where 449 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: is he going to be lining up now. If Zach 450 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: Tom isn't back from isn't fully back from his pectoral 451 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: injury at the start of training camp, then we may 452 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: still be in this OTA mode in terms of where 453 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: guys are, because we know that when Zach Tom is healthy, 454 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: he's one of the best five he's going to be 455 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: He's going to be the guy there. But as you said, 456 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Morgan's been lining up pretty much everywhere but center during 457 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: this offseason program. I don't think with a first round 458 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: pick and a guy that they see as someone who 459 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: could legitimately compete for a starting job as a rookie, 460 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna continue to, you know, 461 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: keep moving him around. They might they might decide to 462 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: put him somewhere and go, Okay, go and take that 463 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: job if you want it, you know, prove to us, 464 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: that proved to us that you're the best, that you're 465 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: the best option there. That's the one I think above 466 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: others that I'm gonna have my eye. And of course, 467 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: I mean I'm expecting Edger and Cooper to be out 468 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: there with the ones. On defense, I'm expecting Javon Bullard 469 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: probably to be lining up next to Xavier McKinney, those 470 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: kinds of things with those draft picks. Morgan is the 471 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: guy that sort of has this question mark right now 472 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: as to exactly where is he going to fit. And 473 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: maybe it's not the first couple days of training camp, 474 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: but maybe it's once the pads go on, they're gonna 475 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: make a decision. Okay, Jordan, you know, here's here's your spot. 476 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: Go for it. 477 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: But I think that's going to be a story to 478 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: follow at the beginning and throughout training camp with the 479 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: first round draft pick. 480 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: It's an excellent point and seeing how he responds to that, 481 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: because I go back and he wasn't a first round pick, 482 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: but I do think about Zach tom two years ago, Yeah, 483 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: where he was still rotating around. But what impressed me 484 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: the most with him was they would go to their 485 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: one on one periods and they would line him up 486 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: as a guard, they'd line him up as a tackle, 487 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: and it didn't matter if he was facing a Kenny 488 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: Clark or he was going up against you know, a 489 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 3: look as Van Ess or Overshan Garry. He held his 490 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: point of attack. And that is what, ultimately I think 491 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: when you look for guys trying to carve out roles 492 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: in a starting lineup. It is how you handle that 493 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: that coursework all of that stuff you get thrown at. 494 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: That's how you find your spot in this league. It 495 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: is an interesting spot. It's the way these offensive lines 496 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: are built. Now. You don't just have a guy coming 497 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: in playing okay, the two tackle positions or the two 498 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: guard positions, or this guy's a center, and then we're 499 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: gonna have him work other spots. Jordan Morgan has had 500 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 3: the full entree in terms of trying to digest what 501 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: an NFL playbook is like. Yeah, but this was the 502 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: time to get those reps and unfortunately you didn't have 503 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: Zach Tom. They gave him an opportunity and hopefully he 504 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: can learn from it. There. It wasn't perfect. There were 505 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: some false starts, there were some plays that I'm sure 506 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 3: he wanted to have back. But at the end of 507 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: the day, he has that pedigree and I still look 508 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: at his build and I'm just reminded so much of 509 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: the Elton Jenkins to some extent Zach Tom, although it's 510 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: still just I just can't get over just what Zach's 511 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 3: been doing at right tackle. But he has that malleable 512 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: frame that wherever you put him structurally it makes sense. 513 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 2: And here's the beauty of it with how the Packers, 514 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: how Brian Guda Kunston his staff in the personnel department 515 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: have constructed this ross, and with where the Packers are 516 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: with their depth. If Jordan Morgan doesn't rise up and 517 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: sees a starting spot as a rookie first round draft pick, 518 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: nobody's gonna panic. No, you know it, They're they're not. 519 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: They're not begging Jordan Morgan to say it, to say like, hey, 520 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: we need you to prove that you know that that's 521 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: They're gonna give him the opportunity. But if he's but 522 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: if for whatever reason, it's not there yet, it doesn't 523 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: quite come together in the first year for for this 524 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: young man that that that's okay the Packers. The Packers 525 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: have what they need. But h but I think I 526 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: think he's going to be a very curious case to 527 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: follow through training camp just to see where this goes. 528 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: Every single guy, if you think about hit Mike that 529 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: has been on the Packers offensive line as like an 530 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: entrench starter, got there basically via injury, even to some 531 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: extent Josh Sitton, you know, right, But because you think 532 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: about Bachtiari, he's not starting at left tackle. If Bologa 533 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 3: doesn't blow out his ACL, Elton Jenkins probably isn't a 534 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: full time starter. If Alane Taylor doesn't go down with 535 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: the biceps injury, uh Bloga goes in for an injured 536 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: Mark Tauscher, right Tjan The list goes on and on 537 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: and on. That's why it really just comes down to 538 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: being ready for if that moment does strike. 539 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: Corey Linsley for j C. 540 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 2: Tritder, that's the biggest one as a rookie, as a 541 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: rookie in twenty fourteen. But yeah, you're right, I mean, 542 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a pretty lengthy list in terms 543 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: of the history of that position group in Green Bay, and. 544 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: JC got through the entire training camp before getting hurt 545 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: at the very end, which led to Corey Linsley's first 546 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: in game snaps happening with Aaron Rodgers when the team 547 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: went to Seattle in Week one. Yeah, it's that type 548 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: of stuff that can happen in this sport. But be 549 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: that as it may, I felt like the Packers' rookie class, 550 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: by and large what we were able to see, it's 551 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: an impressive looking group. We'll get closer to real football 552 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: now day by day, week by week, and then next 553 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: thing you know, you and I will be in South Paulo, Brazil. 554 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still trying to I'm still trying to wrap 555 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: my head around that one because because I think that's 556 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: gonna be before we know it. 557 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: But I just want an ici E Bowl. That's all 558 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 3: I want. Okay, that's all I'm asking for. All Right, 559 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: I heard the ass is amazing down there. 560 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Well, July twenty second is the day. It is a Monday. 561 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 2: It will be the first practice of training camp. The 562 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: day after that will be our first show back. On 563 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: July twenty third, we will return from our little hiatus 564 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: and we'll be back with packers unscripted twice a week 565 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So I know you 566 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: and I are going to be kind of in and 567 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: out of the office like over the next several weeks 568 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: and whatnot. So whatever break you do get, my friend, 569 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: enjoy it, and let's come back ready to roll. On 570 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: July twenty two. 571 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: I think my Connor McGregor fights falling apart. I mean, 572 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 3: I'm still gonna go to Vegas regardless, but. 573 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: I just say, what do you. I'm like, you booked 574 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: your tickets to Vegas. 575 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's done. 576 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's paid off. 577 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: But it looks like McGregor and Michael Chandler might not happen. 578 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah that would suck. Yeah. So here we're 579 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: going in on a high note here and. 580 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: Here and here. 581 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm just like, you know, trying to make 582 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: my plans to go see some Brewers games and and 583 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: you know, do a little tailgating and sitting in the 584 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: upper deck at Amfam Field with my scorecard watch watching baseball. 585 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 3: That's the best type thing to do. But just imagine 586 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: like if you were in my shoes in that situation 587 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 3: where you go down to Miller Park or am Fam 588 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 3: Field now and then it's the the Nashville Sounds are 589 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: playing instead. 590 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: It's like it's just not the same, man. Very true. 591 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: If I want to see minor league baseball, which is 592 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: a lot of fun as well, I just go down 593 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: to Appleton to watch the Timber rallers. 594 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I've done. I've done that as well and probably will 595 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: do that again. 596 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: Don't go to Vegas, No, no, definitely not. 597 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: Well. 598 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: I'll have my fingers crossed for you, my friend, thank you, 599 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: and with that we will call it a rap on 600 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all 601 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: of our coverage of the team. As I said, we 602 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: will be taking a little bit of a break here, 603 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: but we will be back right here in these chairs 604 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: with these cameras on when training can't begin. So for Wes, 605 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and 606 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: we will see you next time.