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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to ask permission for what I'm allowed

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Speaker 2: to do ever again. I'm going to go behind the

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Speaker 2: myself and my creativity and everything that I have to

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Speaker 2: offer into a position where I can help see people

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Speaker 2: as the other that doesn't deserve to share the stage

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Speaker 2: and equal light with others. Today's episode is sure to

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Speaker 2: provide you with motivation, inspiration, or a fresh perspective. If

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 3: women like you.

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Speaker 4: We're your hosts.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Dominique Bussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 1: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 1: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood. Please

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Speaker 1: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 1: fibroids to fake friends and create a safe space where

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Speaker 1: black women can just be ladies. Today, we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest that we are super excited about. Her

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Speaker 1: bio is impressive in her resume and track record legendary.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Tony Judkins is the senior vice

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Speaker 1: president of Programming Development for Hallmark Media and is based

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. Tony spearheads the sourcing, conception, development,

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Speaker 1: and production of a content that explores diverse, character driven

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Speaker 1: stories to entertain and engage existing viewers and reach new audiences.

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Speaker 1: Her focus centers around bringing Hallmark Cards intellectual property to

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Speaker 1: life on screen, including Hallmark Movies and Mysteries Mahogany programming franchise,

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Speaker 1: as well as developing content inspired by the faith based

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Speaker 1: card brand Dayspring. Since twenty thirteen, under the banner of

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Speaker 1: her production company Moximedia, Judkins has developed, created, and or

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Speaker 1: produced content for such clients as Access TV, Overbrook Entertainment,

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Speaker 1: and Amazon Audible. She's consulted on the launches of television

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Speaker 1: networks including Wait for It, Anthem Sports, and entertainment and

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Speaker 4: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Judkins has earned several industry awards and accolades throughout her career,

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Speaker 1: some of which include the Namic Luminary Award, Cable Fact's

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Speaker 1: Most Powerful Women in Cable and Cable Facts is one

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Speaker 1: hundred Most Influential Minorities in Cable. Additionally, her work has

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Speaker 1: earned NAACP Image Awards. And there's so much more that

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Speaker 1: we could say about Tony, but we just have an

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Speaker 1: interview to get to. So Tony, we're gonna let the

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Speaker 1: viewers and listeners hear from you. Welcome to cultivating her space.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 4: very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yay, we are so excited to have you.

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Speaker 2: You ladies are doing some fine work.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: And so now we will have our quote of the

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Speaker 3: day that will help ground us in this conversation. Our

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Speaker 3: quote of the day comes from Terry McMillan. Black love

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Speaker 3: Black love is not just about the two people in

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Speaker 3: when you hear that quote and you think about the

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Speaker 3: work that you do, what comes up for you?

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Speaker 2: What comes up from me, particularly with that quote, and

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Speaker 2: that oftentimes we're looking at a story. We're crafting a story,

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Speaker 2: The community that supports our protagonists, that uplifts them, that

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Speaker 2: helps them see straight when they can't. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: and she's saying, this guy is great, Da da da

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Speaker 1: Yes, are already coming through with the gyms. Tony. That

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Speaker 1: was a beautiful deep dive into the quote. Now, Tony,

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Speaker 1: I'm the East Coast girl from Philly and I saw

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Speaker 1: that you went to Montclair State. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the origin story. How did you become the Tony Judkins

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Speaker 2: What I want to do right now, Let's go back,

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Speaker 2: way back. So listen, I kind of grew up kind

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Speaker 2: But we grew up in a very unique way. We

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Speaker 2: now with the Mahogany Initiative at Hollmark, I have been

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Speaker 2: I make those decisions. I make those decisions about what

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Speaker 2: how they experience us. So I have had a lot

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Speaker 3: One question or topic I wish people asked me about

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Speaker 2: even jazz, but you know Beethoven. You know, I grew

437
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Speaker 2: up in a very musical family. And the discipline, the knowledge,

438
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Speaker 2: the ability to see the influence of jazz and almost

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Speaker 2: every genre of modern music. It's just fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: And it was something that's spent a very long a

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Speaker 2: lot of my life studying. So that's always something I

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Speaker 2: loved talking about.

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Speaker 1: So interesting. Thank you, thank you for sharing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, our final sentence completion. Okay, what I love

445
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Speaker 3: most about myself.

446
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: Is what I love most about myself is and this

447
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: is not really Blacksheit right, as much as has been

448
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: learning to love myself, what I love most about myself

449
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: is been learning to love myself, the journey to becoming

450
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Speaker 2: a woman that knows who she is and loves herself.

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Speaker 4: That and my curves.

452
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Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful. Now beautiful, just dropping gems with

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Speaker 1: ease now speaking of loving yourself and your curves. Have

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Speaker 1: some photos pulled up, Lord, So what we want you

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Speaker 1: to do is. We want you to choose the number

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Speaker 1: out of one in three, out of one in three,

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Speaker 1: choose a number, and then we'll show you that particular

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Speaker 1: photo that's in the tab here, and then we want

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Speaker 1: you to provide more context about the photo. So what

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Speaker 1: number will you choose?

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Speaker 4: To go right down the middle too? Two?

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Speaker 1: All right, Oh, I think you're gonna like this one. So, Tony,

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Speaker 1: we have some people who are only tuning into the audio,

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Speaker 1: so you can describe the photo first and then give

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Speaker 1: us more context about this photo. This is a pretty

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Speaker 1: dope photo.

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Speaker 2: You girls are crazy, okay. So this photo of me

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00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: is a picture of me sitting on the iron throne.

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Speaker 2: I post this on Instagram and it says for the throne.

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Speaker 2: So this is a photo where maybe the season before last,

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Speaker 2: or maybe the season before last, or the last season

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Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones I was visiting, was with a friend,

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Speaker 2: going to going to their friend's house for an afternoon

474
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Speaker 2: of just kind of brainstorming and hanging out. It turned

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Speaker 2: out to be an afternoon of just like drinking and

476
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: eating cheese. But this was a woman who had worked

477
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Speaker 2: somehow was connected to HBO marketing, and she had a

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Speaker 2: throne the game of Thrones throne or replica of it

479
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Speaker 2: in her house. So we drank afternoon, we had wine

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Speaker 2: and cheese. We got pretty messed up and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I got to take my picture on

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Speaker 2: that throne. So we went upstairs. We took the photo

483
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Speaker 2: on the throne. It was actually in the room and

484
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Speaker 2: I held onto it. It didn't look like this. It

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Speaker 2: was pretty much the throne. I held onto it. And

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Speaker 2: then when the final season of Game of Thrones I

487
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Speaker 2: was going to air, I got this ice took the

488
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Speaker 2: photo and I got it photoshopped to cut cut the

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Speaker 2: background out and place it. Placed me on it with

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Speaker 2: the background from Game of Thrones and there I am

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Speaker 2: sitting on there with some type of spear with the

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Speaker 2: caption for the throne on it. This is the part

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Speaker 2: of my Game of Thrones obsession.

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Speaker 1: What an amazing story. And that third that you have

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Speaker 1: on is so bombed. I'm so glad you chose that photo.

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Speaker 1: That was really fun. Thank you for hold you guys.

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Speaker 4: That's hysterical and the oh.

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Speaker 1: You blatchet segment we love to hop back into these

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Speaker 1: other questions we have for you, but that was that

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Speaker 1: was fun. That was amazing.

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Speaker 4: It was very high. Yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that we saw that you mentioned, Tony,

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Speaker 1: is that you are an expert on guide installed projects

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Speaker 1: back on track. And I imagine that there are some

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Speaker 1: lessons that you can share with us that we could

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Speaker 1: use for life, but also for projects as well.

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Speaker 4: How do you do this?

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Speaker 1: How do you guide something that's off track back on

509
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Speaker 1: track or you know, take it to a new direction.

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Speaker 4: How do you do that?

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Speaker 1: What skills can you can you tap into to accomplish that?

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Speaker 2: So the first thank you, listen, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2: So the first thing that I do is it comes

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Speaker 2: from my spiritual practice, and my spiritual practice directs you

515
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: when you when you're looking at a situation, you look

516
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: at something you could be stalled in your life, is

517
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: to see it from the end. Go to the end

518
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Speaker 2: of what you envisioned, Go to the end right and

519
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: from say, for example, you're designing address and visualize that

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Speaker 2: dress completed.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: So let's say you are trying to make it, or

523
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Speaker 2: you get stuck or what have you. Whatever it is,

524
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Speaker 2: if it's a dress, if it's a project, if it's

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Speaker 2: a goal, see it from the end and from the

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Speaker 2: endpoint Now go backwards? What steps do I have to

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Speaker 2: take to make this a reality? So when a project

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Speaker 2: installed or installed in life, what is it that I want?

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Speaker 2: What did I set out to do? What was my

530
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Speaker 2: original intention? Now go to the end of that. What

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Speaker 2: does this look like when it's completed? And once you

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Speaker 2: have a clear vision of that, now you start asking

533
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Speaker 2: yourself the questions, what do I need to do? Who

534
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: do I need to call upon, who do I need

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Speaker 2: to bring into the process, Where might I need to shift?

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Speaker 4: Where might I need to rethink? But seeing that.

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Speaker 2: End result vision forwards, I believe nine times out of

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00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: ten you can work your way backwards and if you're stalled,

539
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: you can get yourself unstuck by asking a series of

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Speaker 2: questions and taking a series of steps with intention of

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Speaker 2: getting to your end game?

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Speaker 4: Are your end? Goald?

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Speaker 1: Follow up question, Tony, When you think about people who

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Speaker 1: maybe struggle in that area, that phase of being installed,

545
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Speaker 1: what is the set what are the common setbacks for them,

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Speaker 1: like people who have trouble seeing the vision? Like what

547
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Speaker 1: are the things that people who are installed and they

548
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: just feel stagnant? What are the common experience?

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Speaker 2: Okay, two things fear and unworthiness. Procrastination is fear, because

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00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: underneath that fear is do I really deserve this? So

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00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: when we're installed, we construct all types of mental and

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00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: subconscious obstacles to keep us from moving forward. Right, So,

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Speaker 2: if you really spend time and ask yourself questions, what

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Speaker 2: am I afraid of?

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00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: Because what's the worst thing that can happen?

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Speaker 2: Right, someone can say no, you don't get the funding,

557
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Speaker 2: you can't find the answer. But those are oftentimes unnecessary

558
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: detours that we put ourselves on, unnecessary detours that when

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Speaker 2: you dig deep underneath, do I really believe I deserve this?

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Speaker 2: So asking those questions what am I afraid of? When

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Speaker 2: you are stalled, asking yourself the question what am I

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Speaker 2: afraid of? And what would happen if the absolute worst

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Speaker 2: thing happened? And once you explore and sit with that,

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Speaker 2: you now give yourself an opportunity to work yourself through it.

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Speaker 2: I read an incredible book. The book is called The

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Speaker 2: Obstacle is the Way, and the book basically posits that

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Speaker 2: whatever your problem is, within that problem is the solution.

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00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: Within the problem that you're facing is the actual solution.

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Speaker 2: And that's a part of being stalled. Right. So I

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Speaker 2: can't do this because I can't do this because I

571
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Speaker 2: can't launch the business because right, so, you've.

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Speaker 4: Erected all of these obstacles right.

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Speaker 2: To keep you from moving forward. And nine time ten,

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Speaker 2: it's just a story. It's a story you're telling yourself

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Speaker 2: to keep yourself stuck. It's a story you're telling yourself

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Speaker 2: to keep you from moving forward. I can't do this

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00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: that of the other thing. But what can I do?

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Speaker 2: There is some step that you can take to move

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Speaker 2: you closer to fulfilling your goal or to making your

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Speaker 2: dreams come true.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, all right, Tony's over here preaching again and dropping

582
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Speaker 3: all these doms, and we're gonna have to take notes

583
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Speaker 3: and hit pause and rewind and play it again so

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Speaker 3: that we can catch all of these gems, ladies.

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Speaker 2: Is just mistakes after mistakes reclassify as wisdom.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. And so when we Tony, when you

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Speaker 3: think about the fear right and the unworthiness that comes

590
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Speaker 3: up for a lot of us in terms of decision making.

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Speaker 3: When you all at Mahogany are telling love stories, how's

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Speaker 3: that fear and this unworthiness play into those love stories?

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Speaker 3: Like how are we how are you all helping black

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Speaker 3: women to see that they can win at romance.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that, Gosh, I hate to you're

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Speaker 2: gonna say I'm appcire again, but.

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Speaker 4: I believe we're here for it.

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Speaker 2: I believe that there are only two emotions. Of course,

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Speaker 2: in miracles, which is a text that a spiritual text

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Speaker 2: that I study, teaches there are only two emotions, love

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Speaker 2: and fear. That's it, love and fear. And where fear is,

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Speaker 2: love cannot exist, and fear is just to cry out

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Speaker 2: for love. Right, So you have a character who says,

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to commit, and here.

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: Are my reasons why I'm not going to commit.

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Speaker 2: I got my heart broken, or I don't believe that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a guy that.

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Speaker 4: But this is that or the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, all that's all of those reasons are classified underfeat

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Speaker 2: under fear. All of those reasons why I can't have this,

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Speaker 2: I can't do this, I won't pursue this are classified

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Speaker 2: under fear. Well, I gotta spend time. I gotta get

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Speaker 2: my business gone, I gotta get my business off.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I don't have time to date because da da da,

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Speaker 2: or you look at us. This is not a mahogany, sorry,

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Speaker 2: but you look at oh, actually, I'll give you an

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Speaker 2: example from our first movie, our movie Unthinkably Good Things

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Speaker 2: would Start Karen Pittman as Karen Pittman, Joyful dre and

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Speaker 2: Erica Ash Karen Pittman's character and Nam Miss Alison. She

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Speaker 2: was in Rome in Italy, teaching and she was going

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Speaker 2: to be there just for a finite period of time.

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Speaker 2: She meets a guy. They start dating each other, but

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Speaker 2: she doesn't want to get serious because I'm only going

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Speaker 2: to be here for a while. I'm only going to

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Speaker 2: be here for a year or so. And we chose,

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Speaker 2: we decided, since I'm only going to be here for

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Speaker 2: a very finite amount of time, that will just date

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Speaker 2: and we'll keep in light. But then he catches feelings.

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Speaker 2: But she has this whole host of things and then

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Speaker 2: you know, in a television movie you need things that

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00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, conflict equals drama. She gets offered the job

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Speaker 2: of her dream and she's like, well, you know, I

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Speaker 2: can't go with you now.

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Speaker 4: I can't go.

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Speaker 2: Deeper into this relationship because I have to go back

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Speaker 2: to the States. But if you break all of that down,

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00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: what's underneath all of her reasons it is fear. It's

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Speaker 2: fear it's a fear of taking a chance on herself

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Speaker 2: and taking a chance on love. So we can dress

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Speaker 2: it up a thousand different ways, and that's what good

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Speaker 2: storytelling is.

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Speaker 4: But at the.

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Speaker 2: Base of it, Oh, how does this character work her

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Speaker 2: way through fear? How does this character work her way

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Speaker 2: through mistrust? How does this character work her way through

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: feelings of unworthiness? And sometimes you have friends. What's great about,

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Speaker 2: you know, telling stories that involve black women is that

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Speaker 2: our friendships are so important to us. So you have

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Speaker 2: your friends that surround you, and in many regards, Acton's mirror.

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Speaker 2: This is the aspect this one friend is telling you

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Speaker 2: you're being fearful. That's that aspect of yourself that is

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Speaker 2: committed to speaking the truth to yourself. Right, this one

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Speaker 2: friend is saying, yeah, girl, I'm with you. You don't

655
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: need to take this risk. That's that aspect of yourself

656
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: that wants to play it safe. You have another friend

657
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: telling you you gotta do this. Yes, that's that aspect

658
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: of your soul beckoning you to go towards your dream.

659
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: And that's what our job is is to paint those characters,

660
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: to have those women show up in such a way

661
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: that they honestly, are just a reflection of you. They

662
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: look like girlfriends, but they're really just a reflection of

663
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: different aspects of yourself that are facing you, that are

664
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: asking you to work through your stuff and get to

665
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: your desired solution.

666
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: Does that answer the question?

667
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I think the question and more and more.

668
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: Thank you great.

669
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Now, Tony. I like this is the tricky question to ask,

670
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: but we love to know what stories are you really

671
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: yearning to see? Like, what's something that hasn't been pitched

672
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: yet that you love to green light?

673
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: I want to show stories that are I love the

674
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: stories that are family stories, right, multi generation, multi generational stories,

675
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: but also has room for friends, right, So you know

676
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: I love stories that show the different aspects of multiple generations.

677
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: Right. So going back to.

678
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: Growing up on the farm, you know, I grew up

679
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: around women who, I'll be honest with you, they really

680
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: didn't believe in love. You know, they had hard These

681
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: women had hard time, right, they got they worked to

682
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: put food on the table. They didn't have the best relationships.

683
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: You know, there there was all kinds of ugliness in

684
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: my family. Right. So what does your story, your pain,

685
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: your experience, What have you taken from your life and

686
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: imprinted unto your daughter? What does she imprint unto her daughter?

687
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: When it comes to stories of love. So those dynamics

688
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: between mothers and daughters. And you know, Homework has had

689
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: a new series. It's not under the Mahogany Bramdbit's called

690
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: The Way Home, and I think it does it so

691
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: well right. All of those those beefs and and issues

692
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: and fights, things that have been unresolved, they're they're there

693
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: to be explored and they're there to show you this

694
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: is how we've become who we are. But the great

695
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: part of the story is, but where do we go

696
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: from here? So I like to see that within friendships.

697
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: I like to see that within families, and of course

698
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: I like.

699
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 4: A good old happy ending.

700
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: That for me, no disrespect to what happens on other

701
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: networks and other creators, does not have black women going

702
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: through a whole lot of Michigan sociopathic setups where my

703
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: husband's sleeping with the pool boy, who's sleeping with the

704
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: late neighbor down the street. There are places for that,

705
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: and that add lots of drama. It's great in books,

706
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: but sometimes just give me a clear path love.

707
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: Some may say that that's soft.

708
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: Some may say that that's whatever, but I think we

709
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: need more of that than what we have been given

710
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: so far.

711
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Yes, we deserve that.

712
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so Tony speaking of like the soft

713
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: and the happy ending. We know there are lots of

714
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: stories out there, lots of movies out there about black women.

715
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 3: What would be if you had to pick, what would

716
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: be your all time favorite love story? And why does

717
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: that one resonate with you so much?

718
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: My all time favorite love story is not necessarily a

719
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: black film, But since we're talking about Hogany, I'm going

720
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: to speak about that. I really liked I loved Waiting

721
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: to Excel because I love the sisterhood of it all.

722
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: I love the little Betther divine character. I love Whitney

723
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Houston and Angela Basson. I loved how all those different

724
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: women you know, they were just waiting, you know. I

725
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: love how ultimately you got a chance to see how

726
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: they were standing in their own way, right, particularly Loretta

727
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: Devine's character. Right, she was someone that felt that, hey,

728
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: she's overweight. You know, I myself am that feels like

729
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: sometimes you feel.

730
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: Like, well, I don't deserve love.

731
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: And Gregory Hines was like, no, you do, you know,

732
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: to see people just you know, just the different lanes

733
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: that were carved out for those women and they, you know,

734
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: to see them kind of go through their journey. To

735
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: see Angela Bassis's character give so much to one person

736
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: and to be cast aside for someone else, you know,

737
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: some of it was like really kind of hardcore. But

738
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: I did love that story. And second to that is

739
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: I love the movie Something New, Something New with the

740
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: Nale then and I forgot the guy's name, but it

741
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: was an interracial story and she, you know, was sat

742
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: here in Los Angeles. She you know, was a businesswoman.

743
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: She hires him to do landscaping. He's this gorgeous white guy.

744
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: For totally forgetting is.

745
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: Simon Simon Baker.

746
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: Simon Baker, Yes, and he falls for her, but she

747
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: comes from the black middle class and that would be

748
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: unacceptable in her her family. But really, you know, then

749
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: she's stating the perfect guy, but he doesn't move her

750
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: the way that this Simon Baker character does, and she's

751
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: I think it was oh gosh, totally Blair Underwood. Yes,

752
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: Blair Underwood. And now she had to work through fear.

753
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: She had to work through fear and work move beyond expectations.

754
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: The expectations of herself, or her education, her station, all

755
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: those things would dictate that she should not only should have,

756
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: but should want. And she had to go for what

757
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: really moved her and what really spoke to her heart.

758
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: And that that's a film that I just absolutely love.

759
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: That's a whole other episode right there. That's right there,

760
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: going with there, all right, My question for you, Tony

761
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: is can you talk about your creative process? What does

762
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: your creative process look like? And how do you do

763
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: what you do? For people that may listen and they say,

764
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: oh wow, her work sounds amazing, this role entitle that

765
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: she has at the company sounds awesome. What does it

766
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: actually look like on the day to day and what

767
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: does your creative process look like?

768
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Well, my creative process might be a little bit different

769
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: than the average person because mine is a right brain,

770
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: left brain process. So I have to look at Okay,

771
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: we're in this world where we have to take this brand,

772
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: this amazing brand, and elevated and turn it into films. Okay,

773
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: but okay, what does this environment that we're in, what

774
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: does it dictate? What can we do here? Okay, what

775
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: can we do here? What has been offered to black

776
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: women what's available to them? What do I know from

777
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 2: making television and somehow servicing African American women for years?

778
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: What do they want? What are they missing? So there's

779
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: a lot of research. Then there's also what do I

780
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: want to say? I think, more than anything, my creative

781
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: process starts. You know, I want to tell a story

782
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: about a black woman on a love journey. What do

783
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 2: I want to see one? I want to see her when.

784
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: I want to see her happy. I want to see

785
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: her have her happy ending. And I think about myself

786
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: as a I think about the viewers that have been

787
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: ride or die, the Black women that have been right

788
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: or die the Hallmark for years, just waiting to see

789
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: themselves here. I mean, what did they want to see?

790
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: What did they resonate with? And so then I think

791
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: about another part of my creative process. What have we

792
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: seen already? What has worked? And I think I was

793
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: lucky enough to go to the premiere of Waiting to

794
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: ExHAM and I will never forget how that audience with

795
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: New York City. I went to the premiere wait in Houston,

796
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: sitting down there and it's just amazing how they reacted

797
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: when they saw these women win.

798
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: I remember there's a scene where.

799
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: I think it's the Antimavasa character. I think it's what

800
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: the snipes. I believe they have a scene and they

801
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: end up saying together overnight, but nothing happens. I remember

802
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: in the theater when they cut from the scene at

803
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: night to the next morning, you see them laying in

804
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: bed together, fully clothed.

805
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: The entire theater.

806
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: Just erupted an applause. I want to make those moments happen.

807
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: My part of my creative problem.

808
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: How do I get to those moments? What story am

809
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: I telling?

810
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: How does she win?

811
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: And then I set out to engage and bring upon

812
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: bring people into the process that have a certain zone

813
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: of genius that can help that come to life. That

814
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: could be the writer, then ultimately down the road, it'll

815
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: be the director or the creative producer that when we say, okay,

816
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: these movies that we're making are fu boo experiences. They're

817
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: made for us by us. So I want to see

818
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: the hairstar that said, hey, there's a black person behind there.

819
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: I want to see the wardrobe where the colors are

820
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: popping the way mahogany card pops. Yes, So I got

821
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: to get the right costume designer. I want to hear

822
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: the music. This sounds like Sunday and a billy listening

823
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: to Jill Scott or the Jazzy Fat Nasties or music

824
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: soul Child. You know, I want to hear that. I

825
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: want that soundtrack that every and every aspect of it.

826
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: You know, somebody was thinking about me when they made this.

827
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: So my creative process is to search out and bring

828
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: into the conversation what story do we want to tell,

829
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: How we're going to make this, how we're going to

830
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: make it as authentic as possible. And then it's really

831
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: leaning on the people the zone of genius. I'm so

832
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: lucky on my team and that people that are younger

833
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: than me, right that are like you know what, not

834
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: that actress, not that outfit, or yes that or did

835
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: you know some one? I love having that point of view,

836
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: having access that the access to people have different viewpoints.

837
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: And then you know, again the love story, we know

838
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: we're not acts. Is it supposed to happen that one, two, three,

839
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: and four. So it's following the formula, but in each

840
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: time we endeavor to elevate it to some degree. And

841
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: a lot of it is listening, is listening and paying

842
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: attention to what's happening happening in pop culture?

843
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

844
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: And so.

845
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: We know that the writers strike is happening right now

846
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: and the industry is being heavily impacted by that. And

847
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: so what can we expect from Hallmark Mahogany like moving

848
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: forward knowing that that's happening, knowing there's lots of stuff

849
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: happening in the world in general. What's what's coming up

850
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: next for Mahogany.

851
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: Well, luckily, we are in pretty good shape of what

852
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: we need to create for twenty twenty three and even

853
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty four. So I feel confident that

854
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: we have what we need to fulfill our slate. I'm

855
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: praying that there's no additional strikes, be that DGA or SAG.

856
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: If there are, then you know we're going to have

857
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: to make some decisions. But you can expect more love stories,

858
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: more stories that in each one being you know, to

859
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: take us into a different a universal, but specific love

860
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: story that engages you in a fantasy on some level

861
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: that you know really represents the Mahogany brand, which is

862
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: I say, you know, I want to be there to

863
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: deliver on everything that is important to the black woman's heart.

864
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: So you can expect more of that. You know, we're

865
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: going to we're going to make some we're going to

866
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: take some swings. We're going to be trial and error.

867
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: But I think that you know, if you begin with

868
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: love as an intention and deliver on love, it can't

869
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 2: go wrong.

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00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: That's a great mic Droft moment right there, Tony. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. We love the work that you're doing for

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Speaker 1: us in our community because representation is so important to

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Speaker 1: seeing us depict it on the screen like that, it's

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Speaker 1: so important. We have a bunch of notes I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about beginning with the end in mind, having community, faith

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Speaker 1: and fear. What you said about faith and fear, leaning

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Speaker 1: into love. So many gems from this episode. We again

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Speaker 1: appreciate you and thank you for your time. How can

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Speaker 1: bit about your story and all the gems, We'd love

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Speaker 2: Just just support us, because the more that we support,

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Speaker 2: the more that I can do.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies for giving me a platform and give

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Speaker 2: me an opportunity spending this very fun and insightful.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for being fans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for reaching out, and yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 2: was just my pleasure to be here, and we just

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Speaker 2: want to get this out to as many black women

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Speaker 2: as possible to you know, this is where, this is

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are so welcome.

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Speaker 4: It's our pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again, and lady, you have your next step,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you click the link in the show

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Speaker 1: you next time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tony, Thank you.

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