1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: It's time to place your bets. Welcome in everybody to 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: betting pros. It's time to turn the page already from 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: week three to week four. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: And maybe you had some bad beats, maybe you. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Feel like that guy who had that ball punted up 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: his rear end after week three, but that's okay. We 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: are here to help you move on and hopefully y'all 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: had a good week of football. 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: It's me Joey Pa Joe Piezapia with me today is. 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: Of course Matt and Pat, Pat Fitz Morris, the Fitsmagic 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: himself and of course Matthew Friedman here to break down 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: what we're looking for and try to get a jump 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: on some of the early lines. And if you listened 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: last week to the show, you got some good jumps, 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: you got some good leaps, and you did some good things. Unfortunately, Friedman, 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: there were some things that maybe did not go as 17 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: a lot of us thought they would. 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: But heck, that's why they play the game, isn't it. 19 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, justin Herbert, you know, I'm happy to 20 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: say I was right that he actually would play the game. 21 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: That was about the only thing I got right about 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: that game. But you know, it's nice to say that, 23 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: like even like this, this felt like a bad week 24 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: and it was still break even weak. So I'm just 25 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: happy that that's what the bad weeks have been this season, 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: Like breaking even. That's a step up on where I 27 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: was last season. 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: And I think the weirdest part, Pat is some of 29 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: the things that seemed like the chalkiest of the chalk 30 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: have really gone the other direction. And look, we've seen 31 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: that in certain seasons in the past, but it makes 32 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: it more difficult. I feel like when you see these 33 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: things happen early in the season to really get a 34 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: good beat on teams, usually by week four we have 35 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: a pretty good handle. I still feel like we're grasping 36 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: for it right now. 37 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 4: I kind of feel the same way Joe, trying to 38 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: figure out who exactly is good and who's just posing 39 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 4: as good. 40 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Right So yeah, yeah, and like. 41 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: Maybe the dust will start to settle on that. 42 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 4: But then again, like maybe while we have pretty firm 43 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: ideas of teams values or at least opinions, and maybe, 44 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: you know, the market is still a little uncertain, that 45 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: might give us some opportunities. 46 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: All right, Hopefully you can find more opportunities over at 47 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: bettingpros dot com. 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So let's get 71 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: you all set up for Week four in the NFL. 72 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: We are already here. 73 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: We've got international games as well, which is always super fun. 74 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: I love the London games. I love the football in 75 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: the morning. It's great. 76 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Not that I get to see it because I'm working, 77 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: but it's a fun idea. Miami at Cincinnati, So here 78 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: we go. The Cincinnati Bengals finally did get on the 79 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: board with a w yesterday against the Jets. The Miami 80 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Dolphins are unstoppable. They are a juggernaut, as we know 81 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: now as they continue to slay one giant after the other. 82 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: Friedman this early line is two and a half on 83 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati side. They are favored at home, but only slightly. 84 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Here the numbers forty eight. Any early love for this contest? 85 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has already moved to three across the markets. 86 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: The early line was two and a half. It moved 87 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: pretty quickly to three. I put it in the Betting 88 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: Pros bet tracker at two and a half. I have 89 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: this lined exactly at three, And this doesn't really even 90 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: take into account the possibility that, you know, there are 91 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: issues with two of Togovloa, whether it's you know, concussion, neck, back, 92 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: whatever it is, you know, possibility to that on short 93 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: week he doesn't play. So if you know, if you're 94 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: leaning towards Cincy, I think there's probably still a little 95 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: bit of value at three, but not nearly the value 96 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: that there was a two and a half. 97 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: The Dolphins seem like they have a little bit of 98 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: magic here if Tua is healthy enough to go here, Pat, 99 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: do you think this magic might continue for them? And 100 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: is it wise maybe jumping on the money line here 101 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: at plus one twenty or plus one ten some other spots. 102 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to open the show, Joe by disagreeing 103 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: with Friedman, like, I don't know if there is value there. 104 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 4: I kind of feel like Miami's not getting enough credit 105 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: for what they've done the last couple of weeks, with 106 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 4: the impressive win in Baltimore and then surviving the butt 107 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: punt yesterday and still managing to knock off the Bills 108 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: at home, Like I as unimpressive as the Bengals have been, 109 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: and they even struggled a little bit to put away 110 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: the Jets yesterday, even though the Jets repeatedly shot themselves 111 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: in the foot in that game. Like, I have not 112 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: been impressed at all by the Bengals, and I've been 113 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: very impressed by the Dolphins, so I'm a little surprised 114 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: the line is what it is. I thought maybe it 115 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: would be more like Bengals by two or possibly even 116 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 4: one and a half. So I'm inclined to jump on 117 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 4: the early line here and take the Dolphins and maybe 118 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: on the money line as you mentioned, Joe. 119 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually I'm looking at the money line right now. 120 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: You get plus one thirty right now on that one, 121 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: So I like it even better than I thought it 122 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: might be Minnesota. 123 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: Here's here's the one thing I will say to Fitz's point. 124 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: I don't really disagree with what he said, but if 125 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: you are on the Miami side, I think you maybe 126 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: want to wait because this line might continue to move 127 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: based on if there's a negative news on Tua and 128 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: based on the early line movement we've already seen. So 129 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: I can totally see liking Miami, but I would maybe wait. 130 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, Friedman's right, I mean we have to get a 131 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: clean bill of health onto it and hopefully we get 132 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: that today Monday and don't have to wait on that. 133 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: But assuming TUA is good to go, if there's any ambiguity, 134 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: then hold off. 135 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: What happened. 136 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: We started off debating and now everyone's agreed with each 137 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: other right after one game. 138 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 5: But that's so nice. 139 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, really, I thought we were gonna have a 140 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: really hot show this morning. Guns a blazing Nope, everything's 141 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: back in the whole start already. Let's go to jolly 142 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: old England for the New Orleans Saints, hosting quote unquote 143 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. Now, the Vikings are two and a 144 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: half point favorites in this one after New Orleans Laden 145 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Egg in Carolina. The over under on this number is 146 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: forty four. If you like the New Orleans upset, it's 147 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: plus one eighteen, just outright for them. So Pat, all 148 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: these games are always tricky because of the travel, because 149 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: of what's. 150 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: Going on here. 151 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Also New Orleans certainly a team that's had their share 152 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: of injuries as well. 153 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts early on on this contest. 154 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be a stay away from me, Joe 155 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: in picking this one. Early eyed Vikings minus two and 156 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: a half and it looks like it's right on there, 157 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 4: and I was like within a half a point. 158 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 5: Of the totals. 159 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: So and two kind of hard to peg teams right now. 160 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 4: The Vikings have sort of been all over the place 161 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: in the opening weeks. The Saints, like I have a 162 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 4: lot of respect for their defense. Their offense can be 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: pretty unsightly, and you know, you get the good, relatively 164 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: low Jamis Winston turnover game, and you know they're probably 165 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: going to surprise you and put together good performance. 166 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 5: But if you get the. 167 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: Yolo Jamis, the Saints can lose by twenty. 168 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 5: And we've seen a lot of the Yolo Jamis. 169 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: I think he's got five interceptions in the season and 170 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: they've all been in the fourth quarter. So yeah, this 171 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: one is probably it feels like the line is just 172 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: right and I'm probably not going to touch it. 173 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: But I will. 174 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: I will look for the always important telltales Joe of 175 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: who travels to London when yah? 176 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: I mean that is it? 177 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: All these variables Friedman Is they're worth anything to something 178 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: early and jumping on one side of this game, because 179 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: whenever you have so many outcomes, to me, this is 180 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: always a game that I would run away from. But 181 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: is there something you see in this one that might 182 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: be more interesting? 183 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this about where the market is. I 184 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: see maybe like a quarter of a point of value 185 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: on New Orleans. But the thing is they are so injured. 186 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: You know, quarterback Jameis Winston has literally a broken back. 187 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: Wide receiver Michael Thomas left with a foot injury, Jarvis 188 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: Landry has an ankle injury. You know, backup wide receiver 189 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: trake Wan Smith left with the concussion. Left guard Andrews 190 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: Pete left with the concussion. Safety Marcus May didn't play. 191 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: Tight end Taysom Hill didn't play. 192 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: Like. 193 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: They are significantly injured, and they have a big travel 194 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: going to London. And you know, so as Pat said, 195 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: let's pay attention to who travels. I doubt all of 196 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: those guys make the trip. So even though I show 197 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: slight value on New Orleans right now, like I'm not 198 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: at all buying that. So I'm staying away from this 199 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: game entirely. 200 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: Feels right to me. Stay away feels definitely right. 201 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Atlanta, the Atlanta Falcons at home against the Cleveland Browns. 202 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland made a statement on Thursday night, or so I've 203 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: been told they are two and a half point favorites 204 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: on the road in Atlanta. Forty six and a half 205 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: is the number here now, Atlanta showing some signs of 206 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: life in that game, also some signs of being Atlanta 207 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: in that game as well. Freedman, when you look at 208 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: this one, do you think that there's any chance here 209 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: where Atlanta can upset Cleveland or do you think that 210 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: Cleveland just kind of got back on track Thursday night. 211 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: The extra time to repair is going to help them 212 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: in this contest. 213 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: No, I'm interested in Atlanta, and so I was kind 214 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: of eyeballing last night the plus three that's in the market, 215 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: and you can still find that at a few books 216 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: that MGM has it, FanDuel has it, and I might 217 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 3: end up betting that one pretty quickly. I'm also interested 218 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: in over Forty six and a half, I believe is 219 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: the number in the market, because I think both of 220 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: these teams can put up points. Like I've been impressed 221 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: by Atlanta's offense, and Atlanta's defense isn't a good unit, 222 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: And I'll say like the Browns defense also isn't the 223 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: unit that I thought it would be, and their offense 224 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: has been more efficient than I would have anticipated with 225 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: Jacoby bris said, So if I'm looking anywhere in this 226 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: it might be more the over. But I'm still pretty 227 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: impressed with Atlanta, and like with this number at three, 228 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: I think it should be closer to like one and 229 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: a half one point seventy five. So I see some 230 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: slight value on Atlanta given that there is still a 231 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: three in the market. 232 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: Pat, do you see the value in Atlanta or in 233 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: the over under in this contest? 234 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: Yeah? 235 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: I totally agree with Friedman on this one. And I 236 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: like to look at these before I look at any 237 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 4: of the power rankings like Massy Peabody Football Outsiders any 238 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: of that stuff. I always like to just do my 239 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: gut take on what I think the line should be. 240 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: And I had this one as about to pick them 241 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 4: and to see the Browns as a three point road favorite, 242 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: Like Atlanta has been pretty plucky so far, and by 243 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 4: no means am I putting them into the category of 244 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: good team yet, but they've been scrappy, and I just like, 245 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: maybe is the market is buying into the competence Jacoby Brisset. 246 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: That's notion that we were given last Thursday, that he's 247 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: like a decent, respectable starting quarterback because I'm not really 248 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: buying that notion Joe, Like, you know. 249 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: It seems like a heck of a nice guy. 250 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Though he does seem like a nice guy, so that's 251 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: what we're getting, Like people really like him. 252 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: It seems like this teammates really like him. 253 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: It seems like he's a very you know, he's a 254 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: good leader, even though he might have some deficits there. 255 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: But are we giving the Falcons too much credit based 256 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: on maybe some of their opponents we've seen them go 257 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: against this. 258 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: Year too, Yeah, going against Seattle and that still was 259 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: not a That game wasn't exactly a romp for. 260 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: Them, right right? 261 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: They have, you know, played two weakish opponents, and yeah, 262 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 4: I guess we can't even really lump the Saints in 263 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: as a strong opponent yet. 264 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: So maybe that's the case, But I don't know. 265 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: I just like I don't see Cleveland as being the 266 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: sort of team that should be a three point road 267 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: favorite against pretty much anyone, well, maybe a couple of teams. 268 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I just bet this while Pat was talking. 269 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: And what did you bet, mister Friedman? 270 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Atlanta plus three. 271 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 5: You said, Pats on it. So now I'm gonna bet 272 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 5: the Browns. 273 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Buffalo at Baltimore. Buffalo on 274 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: the road is still three point favorites in this one. Now, 275 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: certainly they've had a lot of injuries on defense. Mike 276 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: a hideout for the year. Poyer was out last week, 277 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: Oliver out last week. Clear is some issues there, although 278 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: you know at times the defense did show up regardless 279 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: of all those missing pieces. Now they're to contend with 280 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, who has been an absolute handful so far 281 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: this year. I mean, the guy's just throwing for tons 282 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: of rs. He's rushing all over the place. The number 283 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: for this one is fifty three and a half. If 284 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: you like Baltimore for the upset, it's plus one forty 285 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: on the money line. Pat, you know, it feels like 286 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: last week was obviously, or should I say even just 287 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: yesterday was a huge disappointment for those Buffalo Bills. But 288 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to knock the Bills too much. However, 289 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: this matchup scares me a little bit for them at 290 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: this current state of their defense, because Lamar is that 291 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: special talent and he could be a handful in this game. 292 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of an fortunate for the Bills that 293 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: they have to go up against you know, some some 294 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 4: pretty good passing attacks right after losing Micah Hyde, and 295 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: who knows if they're going to have Jordan Poyer for this. 296 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: You know, not having those terrific safeties is a big 297 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: problem for them. But it's interesting to see this game 298 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: peg as a shootout. 299 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: Now. 300 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 4: We thought these were going to be two pretty good 301 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: defenses going into the season. I'd you know, back in 302 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: the first week of September, if you told me the 303 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 4: total on this one was going to be fifty three 304 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 4: and a half, I would have grabbed the under in 305 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 4: a heartbeat. But now it seems about right to me. 306 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: And I'm not sure I really see any value on 307 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: either side here. 308 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: We've seen some of these games so far. 309 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean, even yesterday it felt like it was going 310 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: to be more of a shootout, and that certainly did 311 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: not come to fruition that one. Is this another game 312 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: that potentially could underwhelm in terms of total? 313 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking pretty hard about the under here. I 314 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: believe this number opened at fifty five and it has 315 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: been bet down pretty quickly to fifty three and a half. 316 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: And you know, you can I can kind of see 317 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: the reason why Baltimore at its core wants to be 318 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: a running team, and against a really wounded Buffalo defense, 319 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: I think they could be able to run the ball, 320 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: especially since I mean Buffalo they played so many plays 321 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: on I mean like in the heat in Miami. It's 322 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: their second week in a row on the road, three 323 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: or four on the road. I think that this is 324 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: a it's a spot where if you want Baltimore, I 325 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: can definitely see it. But I think I might be 326 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: more inclined to take the under here. 327 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: I haven't. 328 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: I haven't bet it, but I'm I'm looking at it. 329 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: That's the way I'm laming. If I'm going to take 330 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: something on this game. 331 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Nothing would please me more if we actually got an 332 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: over on a game that looked like it was going 333 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: to be a fun shootout. 334 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: Because these games that are not playing. 335 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: Up to their responsibilities, that's they're not playing up to 336 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: their responsibilities. They're really killing me in DFS. I'm really upset. 337 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm not happy about it. I want this one to 338 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: come to fruition, But it seems like the trend early 339 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: on this year they are not living up to expectations. 340 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: Some of these games and some of the other ones 341 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: where you think that they're going to be lackluster. Those 342 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: are the ones that end up getting some better totals. 343 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: He's sorry. 344 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: Here's one more thing to mention about this game that 345 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: I think leans towards Baltimore and towards the under here. 346 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: You know, quarterback Josh Allen, he's dealing with the hand injury. 347 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: It's probably not anything severe enough to, you know, keep 348 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: him out of the game, but it is the kind 349 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: of thing that I think could limit his ability to throw. 350 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: So that is something to keep in mind. And then yeah, 351 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: all of the injuries that that Buffalo is dealing with. 352 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: Center Mitch Morse is also out. 353 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: You mentioned the wounded Buffalo. Is this which is not 354 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: just the dances with Wolve's name. 355 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I want to know, are you possibly watching this market 356 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: very carefully, in the Super Bowl and playoff market all 357 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: those other things for Buffalo too, because if they lose 358 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: a couple of games here, you might get some better 359 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: odds on them in the next few weeks. Is that 360 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: a time to maybe jump in into the Buffalo Pileok? 361 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: They were a heavy favorite coming into the year, and 362 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: if they slip back to the pack, is a great time, 363 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: a very opportunistic time to go ahead and start putting 364 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: some money on them in long term best. 365 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting question because I don't think their 366 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: long term upside is diminished at all. I mean, they 367 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: are without safety Micah Hyde, but they will get back 368 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: cornerback to Davius White seemingly, you know, within a couple 369 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: of weeks. So I think they will still be a 370 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: very good team. It looks like cornerback Dane Jackson, he's 371 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: not dealing with a long term injury with the head 372 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: and neck, So yeah, I think that they will end 373 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: up long term being healthy. It's just in the short 374 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: term they are decimated. 375 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that long term outlook for the Bill's 376 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: agree kind of stays the same. But you and I 377 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: both know sometimes the market likes to react or overreact, 378 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: or people start to sour on a team after a 379 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: couple of straight losses. And remember it's a long season. 380 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: The teams that look really good in the first six 381 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: weeks are not always the team that looks so good 382 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: in the last six weeks of the season. So don't 383 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: lose hope, Buffalo Bills fans, circle the wagons. 384 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: That's what you do. Circle the wagons. 385 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys, we'll see tonight on Monday Night Football, 386 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and they will be taking on the Giants, But next 387 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: week they're gonna be taking on the Washington Commanders. The 388 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are three point favorites at home right now 389 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: in this one. I know, without seeing what they do 390 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: this week in another week of Cooper Rush, it's kind 391 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: of tough to gauge this game. 392 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: Forty two and a half is the over under. Pat 393 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: will start with you on this one. 394 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, Washington kind of you know, had its Washington 395 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: moment yesterday and Carson Wentz, as we had been talking 396 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: about on numerous podcasts last week on the Fantasy pro side, Look, 397 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: the totals have been there, the numbers have been there, 398 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: but some of the play hasn't been. We saw that 399 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: can he get back on track here against the Cowboys defense? 400 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 4: I don't think so. We saw Carson Wentz turn into 401 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: a pumpkin in Week three. 402 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Just in time for fallat season. 403 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: It's perfect, and now he faces a really good defense 404 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 4: with Dallas like we've seen. Yeah, last year, Dallas forced 405 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: a lot of turnovers, but we wondered if as far 406 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: as just oh, I don't know the infrastructure, whether it 407 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 4: was actually a very good defense, and I think now 408 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: it is a really a defense and Micah Parsons is one 409 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: of the most impactful players in the NFL, So like, 410 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: just on that defense alone, like if Cooper Rush can 411 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 4: just game manage this, I like Dallas to win this 412 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: game handily, and I think they should be more like 413 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 4: a four point favorite. 414 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 5: So I like Dallas here. 415 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: How about you, Freeman, Do you also like Dallas in 416 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: this game? At home? 417 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I have. 418 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: I'm showing slight value on Washington, but there's no way 419 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 3: that I'm betting it, in part because we haven't seen 420 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: Dallas play. And I also feel that I probably haven't 421 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 3: adjusted Washington down aggressively enough in my power ratings, Like 422 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to overreact, but like I just know, 423 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: like there's a chance I'm not low enough on Washington. 424 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: You know. It's funny, Michael Parsons. 425 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: I think I locked in at ten to one over 426 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: on the FanDuel sportsbook earlier this year for defensive player 427 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: in the year. He is now down to three and 428 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: a half to one. Is this the last time to 429 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: get in on the Michael Parsons market? 430 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 5: That's too low? 431 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 4: I think for the uh, you know, Defensive Player of 432 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 4: the Year award, Joe. 433 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I look at look at some of the 434 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: guys want you know, I loved that on too, But 435 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the rest of the guys and 436 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: some of the injuries they've had, at some of the 437 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: agents of these players, and T J. 438 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: Watt missing a bunch of weeks. 439 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, this might be a smaller market 440 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: than we realize on this one. 441 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: I know, I just I always need a generous price 442 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: on those props because anything that depends on the stupidity 443 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: of voters like that, it always makes me nervous. 444 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: Man. 445 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: See, I count on the stupidity of voters. 446 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: That's why I love the awards market, because I like 447 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: to play it like the stocks, because you know how 448 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: things are ebbig and flowing, and you can get in 449 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: and out of stuff, especially at some sportsbooks where you 450 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: can cash out and then reinvest in some other players, 451 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: which is always a fascinating thing to be able to do. Uh, 452 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: let's get to the next one here. Oh yeah, poor 453 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. Poor you know, I feel for that guy. 454 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: I just want Dan Campbell to be happy once in 455 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: a while. They are around one and two, they are 456 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: six point favorites, though at home this coming week in 457 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: Week four against the Seattle Seahawks. 458 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: The number for this game is fifty Matthew Friedman. 459 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Detroit had this game right kind of in their palm 460 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: and let it get away last week. Can they rebound 461 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: from that and take it to Seattle? Or is this 462 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: number of six a little too large? 463 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 3: I have at five and a half. I actually bet 464 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: it in the look ahead market at five and a half. 465 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: I like the over for this game. I bet it 466 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: early last night when lines came out at forty eight 467 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: and a half. But you know, I think this is 468 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 3: a shootout game right here, because both defenses are really bad. 469 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: Seattle is actually looking better on offense than we would 470 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: have anticipated their letting Geo Smith throw a little bit more. 471 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: He's got two really good wide receivers, and Detroit secondary 472 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: is not good. And on offense, we've seen what they 473 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: can do, like they can score with the best of them. 474 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: All Right, So, Pat, is this the one that lives 475 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: up to the hype? 476 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I have to do with. 477 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: A long balls buddy, Yeah. 478 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: Seattle Detroit living up to the hype, Joe, I mean, 479 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: think about what you're saying for a second. 480 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 5: He sort of threw me for a minute. 481 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: This way, not the hype of expectations of being a 482 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: good football game, but a total that would be pleasant 483 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: to all of us, especially from the fantasy and wagering community. 484 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: We're looking for a big game out of these two 485 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: because the defenses aren't that great and you actually get 486 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: what you are anticipating for a change. 487 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, Friedman is right. I'm way too low on my 488 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 4: projected total. You know, I'm like more than a point underneath. 489 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 5: And he's right. 490 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 4: Neither of these teams can play defense, and you know 491 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: they both have very surprisingly competent offenses. Maybe not such 492 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: a surprise for the Lions, but I think it is 493 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: a surprise for Seattle that they have looked as good 494 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: as they have so far. And by the way, Joe 495 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 4: Dan Campbell no one to blame but himself. Of the 496 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: three available options, punt and pin them deep, go for 497 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 4: it and try a fifty four yard field. 498 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 5: One was clearly the most stupid option and three. 499 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: Card month, he's not his game, let's no. 500 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, I do sort of like Detroit in this 501 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: spot a little bit, although I'm Dan Campbell gives me 502 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: pause there, I'm not sure what kind of a game 503 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: manager he is, but yeah, it's it should be a 504 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 4: much more entertaining game I think than we were expecting, 505 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 4: you know, heading into the season. Seattle Detroit as appointment television. 506 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 4: Not on my Bengo card for twenty twelve to two. 507 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: No, that is fair. It'll be funny into a betting card. 508 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: That's what matters. Bingo cards aside. Los Angeles Chargers are 509 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: now one in two. 510 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: They are still regardless six and a half point favorites 511 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: as they travel to Houston. Houston still winless on the season, 512 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: but they've got a tie, so they're not the only 513 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: team to have three losses. We'll save them for later 514 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: in the show. Forty five and a half is the 515 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: number for this one. Pat, This feels I could get 516 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: right game for the Chargers. 517 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: Do you agree? 518 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 5: I want to think so, Joe. I mean, like, what 519 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 5: a difference. 520 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: Think you're overthinking if you don't think that. I know 521 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: that is a very complicated question I just asked. 522 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 4: But not really because now, like we don't know what 523 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 4: the status of Justin Herbert is. If he's gonna be okay, 524 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: I guess he's gonna play, but is he going to 525 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 4: be one hundred percent. 526 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 5: J C. 527 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 4: Jackson is out. I think Joey Posa got hurt in 528 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 4: this game. You know, I thought, even though they lost 529 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 4: in Week two, I thought the Chargers looked like a 530 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: war machine against the Chiefs and if not for the 531 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, ninety nine yard interception return for a touchdown, 532 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 4: they should have won that game in enemy territory against 533 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 4: the team that is believed to be the team that you. 534 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 5: Have to go through to get to the super Bowl. 535 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 4: And I thought the Chargers looked really impressive on both 536 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: sides of the ball, and then they come out and 537 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 4: get their doors blown off by the Jaguars. But obviously 538 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 4: they've got a lot of injury issues to deal with. 539 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 4: And you know, the Texans have at least been plucky. 540 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: I know they're a doormat, but you know, they've they've 541 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: been in games for the most part. So like, I 542 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: don't see necessarily any early value on the Chargers because 543 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: they're just really hard to peg right now. 544 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: Friedan is an early value in this game at all. End, 545 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Do you think we're overthinking the state of the Chargers 546 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: ursus the Texans, Because if I asked you this question 547 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, you'd think this is probably what nine. 548 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: This is like a smash game. But all of a sudden, 549 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: we're at six here. 550 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look in the preseason market, this was around eight, 551 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: eight and a half and seven on the look ahead. 552 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: Now six and a half. I have this at seven. 553 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: But you know, like I'm I would say, I'm not 554 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: baking in the worst case scenario for this team. And 555 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: I don't think the worst case scenario is, you know, 556 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 3: justin Herbert out. I think he looked good enough last 557 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: week to where you think he probably plays this week. 558 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: But let's tackle Vershaun Slater. He left with a biceps injury. 559 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: There's no guarantee he plays. Center Corey Linsley was out, 560 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: no guarantee he comes back. Those are the two most 561 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: important offensive linemen, all right, And so a quarterback dealing 562 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: with a rib injury with all of a sudden shaky 563 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: offensive line in front of him, that's not good. And 564 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: then of course missing your two most important defenders, edge 565 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: rusher Joey Bosa and cornerback Jacy Jackson, who was out 566 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: last week, no guarantee he returns, Like you know, maybe 567 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: half of those guys missed this week. And then all 568 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: of a sudden, we're talking to them another point and 569 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: a half. 570 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: Fair enough, Let's go to the next game here, the 571 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans got back on tracks, so to the Innapolis Colts. 572 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: The Colts are gonna host the Titans here in week 573 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: four minus three on the Colts side of These are 574 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: the kind of games, as in Division Games two, that 575 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: I just run away from. I have very little faith 576 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: in either of these rosters, and the line's not really 577 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: telling you anything. They're giving you the basic yep, the 578 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: home team's favorite by three. 579 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: Good luck. 580 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: Forty three and a half is the number here. If 581 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: you like anything, potentially maybe the upset of the Titans 582 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: plus one fifty on the money line, You're getting a 583 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: nice number there, Freeman, Is there any early appeal on 584 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: this in Division game? 585 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: I think so. 586 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: You know, there are still a few three and a 587 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: half's in the market. I bet this on the look 588 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: aheadline at three and a half Tennessee. I think if 589 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: you can still find that out there, it's a bet MGM. 590 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: Right now, it's three in the rest of the market 591 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: or most of the books. I have this lined at 592 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: three and a half, So I think being able to 593 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: get above the key number of three right there provides 594 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: not insignificant value. It's not a world of value, but 595 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: I think that's enough to bet it. 596 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: How about you, Pat, do you think there's enough year 597 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: to get invested in early. 598 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: Let's think back to the beginning of the season and 599 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 4: where we assessed these teams as being. I think everyone 600 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: thought the Colts were going to be an overwhelming favorite 601 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: to win the division, and that the Titans, despite being 602 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: the number one seed in the AFC last year, we're 603 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: kind of a house of cards and had lesser personnel 604 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: than they had a year ago. 605 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: And I know that the. 606 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 4: Colts shaky start probably has thrown some people off of 607 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 4: their trail, and certainly that tie against the Texans was bad. Now, 608 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: maybe that Week two lost to the Jaguars not looking 609 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 4: quite as bad as some pot full thought at the time, 610 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: and then they had a get straight game against the 611 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: Chiefs in Week three, So I'm not quite back to 612 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: feeling the Colts are as strong as they were before 613 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 4: the season. But you know, like before the year, I 614 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: would have thought this would have been Colts minus six 615 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: or so, and you know that line has been cut 616 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: in half. 617 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: Like I like the Colts of this one, all right. 618 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: Let's see if you like anything in this next one. 619 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 3: Let me push back, Let me push back just a 620 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: little bit. I don't I don't necessarily disagree with the 621 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: thesis that Pat has there. But in the preseason market, 622 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: this game was three. 623 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: You know it? 624 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so it is basically right where the market 625 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: thought it would be months ago. Uh, And I feel 626 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: like it kind of makes sense given the disappointment that 627 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: we've had in both of these teams, Like they have 628 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: both probably dropped equally in our estimation. Maybe maybe not 629 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 3: so much for you, Pat, but they have for me. 630 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 5: There fair enough. 631 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to this next one. I 632 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: know you're all super excited about this game. It's the 633 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: Bears at the Giants. 634 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: The Giants. 635 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: We'll see what they do tonight. They are two and 636 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: zero as of this podcast recording. They are three point 637 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: favorites at home. Thirty nine and a half is the number. 638 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: Do we jump potentially here, Friedman on the early thirty 639 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: nine and a half and go under on this one? 640 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not looking so much at the total here, 641 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: but I mean, I have to hate myself for doing this, 642 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: but I actually like the Bears in this spot. I mean, 643 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is a He's a bad quarterback in general. 644 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: He's especially bad in certain situations. Bad at home eight 645 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 3: and twelve against the spread. Bad is a favorite two 646 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: and five against the spread. Bad is a home favorite 647 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 3: one and three against the spread. Like you bet on 648 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: him on the road, you bet on him as an underdog, 649 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: and you fade him in the opposite situations. And the 650 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: Bears like they're not good, but I like, I don't 651 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: think that they are. They're not a bottom three team 652 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: in the league. Like they're basically in the same tier 653 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: as the in maybe a little bit better. I have 654 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 3: this as a one and a half point game, so 655 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: I will I will take the three, given that it's 656 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: a key number. 657 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: All right, how about you pat your thoughts on this one. 658 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 4: I would echo Friedman's assessment of the Bears. I think 659 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: they're an undermanned but pretty well coached team. It seems 660 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: like they are maximizing their low talent level. And I 661 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: do not like the instinct is to bet the under 662 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 4: here with these two teams. I do not like betting 663 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 4: unders in games with Daniel Jones because, like the turnovers 664 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 4: can give the other team a short field, you occasionally 665 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: get the pick six with him, Like, I don't want 666 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: to bet an under in a Daniel Jones game, even 667 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 4: though I think Daniel Jones is bad. So as tempted 668 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 4: as I am to bet the under on a game 669 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 4: with the Bears, who are averaging fifteen pass attempts a 670 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: game through three weeks in the NFL season, I'm just 671 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: going to stay away from this game completely. 672 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: That makes sense, I understand that I still like the 673 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: under here, I'm not ready to give too much credit there. Now, 674 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: a game that three weeks ago might have been one 675 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: we just kind of completely shrugged off all of a 676 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: sudden now becomes maybe the most fascinating. 677 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: Game on the Week four Slate, at least to me. 678 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: The undefeated Eagles three to zero at home, seven point 679 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: favorites over the Jacksonville Jaguars, who came up another win. 680 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: So after they shut out the Colts at home, they 681 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: went out on the road and beat the Chargers, and 682 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: now they're going to go travel to Philadelphia. Now, look, 683 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is going to be the best team they played 684 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: so far. But certainly the Jaguars have shown you a 685 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: little bit more, I think than a lot of people expected, 686 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: especially in the early going forty seven is the number here, 687 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Pat for this one. I'm not saying the Jaguars are 688 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: going to upset, but can they hang? That's the question here, Pat. 689 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: And will this number change between now and Sunday. 690 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see if it changes, Joe, because 691 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: I didn't think this was going to be a full 692 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 4: touchdown for the Eagles. 693 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 5: I thought it was going to be like six six 694 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: and a half. 695 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: So I do see a little early value on the 696 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: Jags and maybe they're not getting quite enough credits as 697 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: they should be for what they've done so far. I mean, 698 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 4: this is a totally new team and maybe they had 699 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 4: this level of talent all along, and urban Meyer just 700 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 4: you know, drove the ship in the Iceberg last year. 701 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: But like, they're impressive. Man, Trevor Lawrence looks like the 702 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: guy we thought he was going to be coming out 703 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: of Clemson, the guy who had Clemson in the National 704 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 4: Championship Hans pretty much every year he was there. So yeah, 705 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: I'm very interested in the Jags at this price. 706 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: I think urban Meyer was the Iceberg. 707 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: Matthew Friedman, your thoughts on this game here, because this 708 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: looks like one that might be appointment television. 709 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be an awesome game. 710 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: I have it right around where it is now. I 711 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: believe I have it at seven point twenty five. So 712 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: you know, in theory, I see some slight value on Philadelphia. 713 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: I will say I've adjusted up over the past couple 714 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: of weeks the Jags more than any other team in 715 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: the league. 716 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: I remember last week you talked about moving them up 717 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: this on this very show. 718 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I continue to move them up, but I've 719 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 3: also moved up Philadelphia, you know, because Philadelphia has also 720 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: looked amazing. You know, think about where they are right now, 721 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: Like it might be fair to say that like after 722 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: I think Green Bay is still ahead of them, Tampa 723 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: Bay is still ahead of them, and maybe the Rams. 724 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: Maybe the Rams are still ahead of them in the NFC, 725 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: But I mean the Eagles are right there with those 726 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: other teams. And so I've moved up the Jags, but 727 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 3: I've also moved up the Eagles. So this was seven 728 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 3: in the look ahead market last week. I feel, you know, 729 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: given what we saw out of both teams in Week three, 730 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: it makes sense for this line still to be seven. 731 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: Now, let's take a quick break in the action to 732 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: tell you about bet MGM, the King of sportsbooks. Sign 733 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: up today with bet MGM and use that promo code 734 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: betting Pros when you do, and your first wager is 735 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: risk free up to one thousand dollars. Visit betmgm dot 736 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: com for terms and conditions, and don't forget to use 737 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: that promo code betting Pros. 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The Steelers are 770 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: three and a half point favorites. Forty one and a 771 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: half is the number if you like the Jets for 772 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: the upset, it's plus one fifty five on the money line. 773 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: Freeman, do you see anything in this game that you like? No? 774 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 3: I have it at three point seven five this stay away, 775 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 3: run run. 776 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: Away, Pat Fitts, Morris, are you running from this game 777 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: as well? 778 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 779 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have to talk about this one, Joe. 780 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 4: I'm just an I sore. 781 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: We got to mention every game. We don't have to 782 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: talk about everyone Arizona. 783 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 4: Can I ask actually before we leave this one more, 784 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 4: Joe Friedman, do you think the return of Zach Wilson 785 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 4: would do anything to this line? 786 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: I think it's probably already baked in, But to be honest, 787 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: I think it makes it worse for the Jets. 788 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: That's all that's gonna say. 789 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 5: Words I can. 790 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: Oh good times. 791 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Arizona Carolina another game that 792 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: might be an enigma. They're basically telling you it to 793 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: pick them. 794 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 4: Here. 795 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: We've got Carolina one point favorites at home. So although 796 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: they won a game of Vegas is not impressed. But 797 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: it's funny because the least impressive thing to me is 798 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinal defense. Like that's the one thing to 799 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: me where I just keep looking at it and going yeah, 800 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Like it's really hard for me to like the Cardinals 801 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: on the road. Uh, but Vegas thinks they have a shot. 802 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: I understand why. It's not like Carolina's built world beater. 803 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: Both these teams have one win so far, they're both 804 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: one and two. Forty four and a half is the number? 805 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: Pat What do you see here in this thing? If 806 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: anything early on? And where do you think this one 807 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: goes in terms of as the betting continues to come 808 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: in throughout the week. 809 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 4: I'll be fascinated to see if the Cardinals defense is 810 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 4: actually capable of making Baker Mayfield look good. Like I 811 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 4: feel the Panthers should be a slightly bigger favorite, that 812 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: this should be maybe one and a half or whatever, 813 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 4: Like the Cardinals have been just so wretched so far, 814 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 4: and yet like Kyler Murray is the far better quarterback 815 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 4: in this matchup, and maybe that's going to keep the 816 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 4: line down and maybe even bring it closer to a 817 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 4: pick them. But like I tend to just like that 818 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 4: Cardinal defense is just the Cardinals have so many issues 819 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 4: they do. Yeah, it's it would be hard for me 820 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 4: to get on board with the Cardinals here, even though 821 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: I think they have a big quarterback advantage. 822 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: Murray's not getting a lot of help to a ton 823 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: of drop passes in that game, Friedman, I mean, can it? 824 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: Can this be the game where Murray kind of overcomes 825 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: here a little bit and maybe just takes it all 826 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: into his hands literally and figuratively. And actually this is 827 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: a game where they go on the road win. 828 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I bet Carolina at plus three on the 829 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: look ahead. But now that we're here in Week four, 830 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: I'm looking at this line and I'm thinking, like, you 831 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 3: know what, I'm pretty tempted to bet Arizona plus one 832 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 3: and a half and try to middle this thing because 833 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: these are these are zigzag coaches, right Like you want 834 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 3: to bet on Cliff Kingsbury as a road dog. He's 835 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: fourteen three and two against this as a real dog. 836 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 3: And you want to bet against Matt Ruhle as a 837 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 3: home favorite. He's one and seven against the spread as 838 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 3: a home favorite. You know, so you want to bet 839 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: on these guys when they're underdogs bet against them when 840 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: their favorites. 841 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 842 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: I have this at one point seventy five in favor 843 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: of Arizona, and I will say, there's a very decent 844 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 3: chance that I haven't moved Arizona down aggressively enough in 845 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 3: my in my power ratings. Like so, I know that 846 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 3: might be a weakness of what I'm seeing in the 847 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 3: number here, but man, like, I just see this number 848 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 3: and I want to bet on Arizona, and I will say, like, 849 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: this was one and a half across the industry last night. 850 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 3: The only one and a half I see in the 851 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 3: market now is at bet MGM, so it it has 852 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: moved a little bit towards Arizona, so I might grab 853 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 3: the one and a half. 854 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: Now New England's gonna be grabbing at Straws. They will 855 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: not have mac Jones for this game. Nine and a 856 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: half points they're giving up to the Packers on the road. 857 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: Forty two and a half is the over under Freeman, 858 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: would you bet this now before this number grows into 859 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: double digits, because it feels like it's going. 860 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: To talk to fits. I am betting the other game 861 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: that we just talked about right now. 862 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: I love this we should call it the Live Bet 863 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: look Ahead from now on, That's what we should call 864 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: this program. Fits How about you, buddy, what do you 865 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: think about this one? Do you think this number is 866 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna go to double digits? Because I sure do. 867 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 5: Yeah. 868 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: Obviously, the implied total for New England is not very 869 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 4: high in a game where they're nine and a half 870 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 4: point dog in a total of what did we say 871 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 4: forty two? So you know, the Vegas sees this as 872 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 4: the rock fight that it is likely to be, And 873 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 4: like the Patriots defense still respectable, and the Packers defense 874 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 4: I think very good as we saw yesterday against Tampa, 875 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 4: even against you know, depleted wide receiver core. 876 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean this one feels about right. 877 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 4: And you know, the Packers' home field advantage is maybe 878 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 4: worth a little more than other home field advantages. So 879 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 4: but then again, like they are short on talent themselves 880 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 4: at wide receiver, I don't know if they're capable of 881 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 4: having dropping thirty points or maybe even you know, twenty 882 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 4: four points on New England. So it's gonna be low scoring, 883 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 4: and I don't like betting a big favorite in a 884 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 4: low scoring game, so I'm probably just going to stay 885 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 4: away from this one. 886 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: What I think, Freeman, do you think that the Patriots 887 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: offense keeps giving green Bay more chances? And maybe this 888 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: total actually is more approachable than we realize because the 889 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: ineffectives or inability maybe of doing them to move the chains. 890 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 3: You know, I still like green Bay very much in 891 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 3: this spot. I have this line at ten, and so 892 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 3: it is I believe, maybe still eight and a half 893 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 3: at one or two books out there. 894 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 2: Nine and a half. 895 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 3: Oh, it's moved to nine and a half and then 896 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 3: ten at a lot of books. So if you can 897 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 3: get it at nine and a half, I would still 898 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 3: do that. Ten I think is the exact right number. 899 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Denver and Vegas. 900 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: Vegas has yet to win a game, and Denver, although 901 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: they won last night, I think we could all say 902 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: if you stayed up and watched that game, everyone who 903 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: did was a loser. That is now, at this point, 904 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: Vegas is minus one at home forty five and a half. 905 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: That is the total on this one. Friedman, do you 906 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: have any early thoughts on this contest? In Vegas stay 907 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: off going zero to four and winless on the season. 908 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: Is Denver the right team to give him the W? 909 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 3: I can't imagine betting on Vegas in this spot. 910 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: I just I can't. 911 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 3: I can't. Maybe let me look and see if I 912 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 3: was okay good. I was gonna check to see if 913 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 3: this was one of the bets that Fits was going 914 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 3: to talk about. Yeah, but no, you know, Denver, like 915 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 3: I think they are, They're starting to round into form 916 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 3: a little bit, like they played the forty nine ers 917 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: very tough on Sunday Night Football, and I have Denver 918 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 3: actually is a slight favorite here and again, maybe this 919 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 3: is because I'm slower to adjust my power ratings, but 920 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 3: I don't think that we've seen anything out of Las 921 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 3: Vegas that would make me think like, oh, I need 922 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 3: to move them up the power rankings. 923 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: All right, So Freedman not a huge fan of Mac Hollins, obviously, 924 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: So well, let's let's talk to you, Fitz. Do you 925 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: see anything here for the Raiders to get right here 926 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: and stave off going OZ four? 927 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think this game is winnable for them, 928 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 4: Although I do think Friedman there was something he wrote 929 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 4: in a Schedule analysis article earlier this year that made 930 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 4: me gave me a strong urge to immediately jump on 931 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 4: the Raiders under their season win total, and that's already 932 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 4: looking really good, So thanks Freedman's. 933 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 2: Still a good start there. 934 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we. 935 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 4: Remember we thought every game in the AFC West was 936 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 4: going to be a giant shootout with a total of 937 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 4: fifty or more, and here we are. 938 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 5: What isn't forty five and a half this one? Joe? 939 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, yet, And I'm not at all attracted 940 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 4: to the over, and that's fair. Again, the Denver offense 941 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 4: is not looking great, so I do think Vegas could 942 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 4: win this game, but I'm not inclined to bet either 943 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 4: the side or total. 944 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: Now, something you said before fits kind of sparked a 945 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: question in me about this next game, because Kansas City first, 946 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay this was, you know, obviously going to be 947 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: like a big primetime Sunday night football game, and one's 948 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: really excited about. And these teams both seem to be 949 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 1: kind of dragging themselves into this one. You mentioned how 950 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: the Chargers looked like they were beating the heck out 951 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: of Kansas City, and then obviously Kansas City turned things 952 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: around there. Kansady then goes and loses last week, obviously 953 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: to the Colts. Two and a half is the number 954 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: here on the road against Tampa. The Tampa defense is 955 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: very good at forty seven is the total fits Do 956 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: you see any opportunity here where Tampa is actually the 957 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: right side of this game to be on at the 958 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: plus two and a half despite all their shortcomings, but 959 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: their defense playing as good as it has this year. 960 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 4: Oh Man, Tampa just they did not look good offensively, 961 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 4: but they do get they do get Mike Evans back. 962 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 4: I mean, it was just a one game suspension, so 963 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 4: that could help quite a bit. The thing is, I 964 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 4: feel like the Kansas City defense is actually pretty good too, 965 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 4: and maybe a unit that doesn't get enough credits. And 966 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 4: like I just I know that Kansas City offense has struggled, 967 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 4: but we saw the Kansas City offense struggle early last year, 968 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 4: and I feel like it's just a matter of time 969 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 4: before Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. 970 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 5: Figure it out. 971 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 4: So kind of have a leaning toward Kansas City, A 972 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 4: very slight leaning here, you know, not a strong feel 973 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 4: on it. I want to I want to hear what 974 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 4: Friedman thinks about this one. 975 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 3: Freedman, I have this as a pick them, uh, And 976 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 3: so I am showing value on on Tampa Bay. I 977 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 3: don't I don't feel great about it, I have to say, 978 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 3: but like this, this feels like a spot where I 979 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 3: will probably I don't know if I will end up 980 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 3: betting Tampa Bay because I've already bet the under. For me, 981 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 3: like that feels like the bet because it's a similar 982 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,240 Speaker 3: situation to what we had and we three with Tampa 983 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 3: Bay in Green Bay primarily driven by Tampa Bay. They've 984 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 3: got a great secondary, so I think they will be 985 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 3: able to challenge the Chiefs. The Chiefs have seemed desirous 986 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 3: to lean more into the running game than they have 987 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 3: in previous years, and we know Tampa Bay is going 988 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 3: to look to run the ball, and Tampa Bay, even 989 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: when they're you know, running the ball, they're not doing 990 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 3: it all that well and they're not throwing the ball 991 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 3: that well because of their offensive line woes and wide 992 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 3: receiver issues. So you know, forty seven was the number 993 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 3: that I bet last night. I'm not sure where it 994 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: is now, but where is the over under on this 995 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 3: Let's say. 996 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 2: The over under on this one is forty seven right now? 997 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, from the forty seven, it's forty six and a 998 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 3: half at bet MGM. Like, I think this will move 999 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 3: down a little bit so I that is where I'm looking. 1000 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 3: If I had to take a side, it would be 1001 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay. But I feel a little bit better about 1002 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 3: the under. 1003 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: All right, last one here Monday night football, San Francisco 1004 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: hosting the Chargers. Now San Francisco had really owned the 1005 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, San Francisco versus the Rams, pardon me. San 1006 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: Francisco's really owned the Rams up until the playoffs last year. 1007 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: I think it was six straight wins. 1008 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: So for whatever reason, just like Jacksonville seems to have 1009 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: the number of the Colts, seems like. 1010 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 2: The same kind of thing for San Francisco. And this 1011 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 2: is this feels like. 1012 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: A trap to me Friedman, where we see on Sunday 1013 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: Night football San Francisco struggle offensively all this stuff, and 1014 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: we go, oh, the Rams are going to crush. 1015 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 2: Rams are going to crush and then the forty nine 1016 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 2: Ers win. 1017 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: Vegas seems very prepared for this notion though, because the 1018 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers are actually one point favorite still in 1019 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: this game. 1020 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: How do you feel about this contest? Forty six is 1021 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 2: the number. 1022 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's worth you know, looking at 1023 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 3: what we saw in the look ahead market. So this 1024 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 3: number was two and a half in the look ahead market. 1025 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 3: It opened at at two and it's still two with 1026 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 3: some books, but now it is moving down to one 1027 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 3: and a half and one across the industry, so it 1028 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 3: is moving towards the Rams. I have San Francisco as 1029 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 3: only a slight favorite in this game, So I am 1030 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 3: on the Rams in this spot. And Joey, as you mentioned, 1031 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 3: like there is that trend that matchup between shanahan and McVeigh. 1032 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 3: Shanahan is eight and three against the spread versus McVeigh. 1033 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 3: But you know, like how much do you how much 1034 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 3: how much credit do you give that? You know, like 1035 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 3: I do incorporate some of those head to head variables 1036 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 3: in my model model my spreadsheet, but you know, like 1037 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 3: I don't overweight it. And so I still think that 1038 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 3: the Rams are are the better team in general. Now, 1039 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 3: this is played in San Francisco, so you give, you know, 1040 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 3: slight edge there, but it is just the slightest of edges. 1041 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 4: I have. 1042 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 3: San Francisco is a quarter point favorite in this spot. 1043 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 3: So I still see value on the Rams. 1044 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: Last year, there's a lot more value here, especially on 1045 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: the San Francisco side, because the Ms were always pretty 1046 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: strong favors despite the fact that time and time again 1047 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: they would lose this game seems to. 1048 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 2: Have caught up here. 1049 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: To me, that does not a whole lot of appeal 1050 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: in this one, because the way it's set up already fits. 1051 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 2: Do you see it any differently? 1052 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 4: So, like Friedman, I see a little bit of value 1053 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 4: in the Rams, And I thought I initially saw a 1054 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 4: lot of value in the Rams, but then I sort 1055 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 4: of remembered how the trends have gone in recent years, 1056 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 4: and you know, some of those games have not even 1057 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 4: been close, like we have seen Shanahan really had mcveigh's number, 1058 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,320 Speaker 4: which you know, seems kind of strange. And boy, I 1059 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 4: mean like for all the people who thought the benching 1060 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 4: of Trey Lance was an inevitability to hustle Jimmy G 1061 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 4: back in there, I think we've been given a pretty 1062 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 4: good reminder that Jimmy G is like a replacement level 1063 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 4: quarterback at best. So, you know, even though Matthew Stafford 1064 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 4: will occasionally give the other team the ball very generously, 1065 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 4: I think there's a big quarterback advantage and a big 1066 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 4: offensive advantage right now for the Rams in this game. 1067 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 4: So you know, I am I think I'm gonna bet him. 1068 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 4: I think it's maybe not going to be as quite 1069 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 4: as much as I thought initially. It might be more 1070 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 4: of a one unit type of bets considering the trends. 1071 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 4: But I do see a little value on the Rams 1072 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 4: this week. 1073 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 3: All right, versus fits his whale play of like five units. 1074 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 4: That's right, hey, each unit being worth you know, with 1075 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 4: Abraham Lincoln's face on it. 1076 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 2: So if you'd like to meet my friend George. 1077 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: Washington, maybe he has something to say about this conversation. 1078 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 2: All right, Pat, let's stick with you. What are your 1079 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 2: three favorite early bets of the week in week four? 1080 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 5: All right, we talked about Atlanta. 1081 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 4: I just don't think Cleveland should be a three point 1082 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 4: favorite going into Atlanta. 1083 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna take the Falcons in that one. Call 1084 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 5: me a. 1085 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 4: Sucker, Joe, but I'm a believer in the Jags. I 1086 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 4: like it as good as I feel about the Eagles, 1087 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 4: and as much as I think that offense is just 1088 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 4: a juggernaut, like, I think the Jags can maybe keep 1089 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 4: them under control a little bit and move the ball themselves. 1090 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna take the Jags and the touchdown. 1091 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm gonna totally Even though Friedman tried 1092 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 4: to steer me in a different way. Like I still 1093 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 4: think the Cults are a value at minus three against 1094 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 4: the Titans. 1095 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 5: I just think they're a much better team. 1096 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: All Right, he's got his blinders on for that one. Friedman, 1097 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: what are your three favorite early look ahead bets for you? 1098 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, given that we've seen line movement, what 1099 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 3: I put in the outline is probably not what I'm 1100 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 3: gonna go with. But I will say, man, feel disgusting 1101 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,879 Speaker 3: Arizona at plus one and a half. Just I do 1102 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 3: not believe in Carolina. I still think Arizona is markedly better. 1103 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 3: So I will go Arizona plus one and a half 1104 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 3: on the road in Carolina. I do like the under 1105 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 3: of forty seven in Green Bay, and no sorry Kansas 1106 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 3: City and Tampa Bay. And then I will for the 1107 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,399 Speaker 3: fifth sorry for the third one. I will probably still 1108 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 3: go with the Rams. The Rams plus two against the 1109 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 3: forty nine ers on the road, I also go with 1110 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 3: the Rams. 1111 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 1: Okay, there you have it. That's the early look ahead 1112 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: for week four. 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