WEBVTT - Chelsea Clinton 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.240 So I was such a nerd and I did model 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.720 you in, and I was on the yearbook staff, and 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:06.040 then I was the editor of the yearbook. I went 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.560 to math camp when I was a kid, did here, 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.039 Yes I did, I know, And I have this vivid memory. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.440 Actually during the two thousand I think it was during 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.400 the two thousand and eight campaign, I was campaigning. I 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.119 can't remember actually I was campaigning for my mom or 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.880 later for President Obama. But I was somewhere and all 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.759 of a sudden, I was like shaking someone's hand. I 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.560 was saying, like, oh, you know, please don't forget to vote. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.880 And this guy was like, we were in math camp together. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.920 We did the unit on fractals together at the campaign staff. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.239 I was like, oh my god, she's like even more 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.920 of a nerd than we thought she was already. I 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.040 was like, yes, I did. I went to math camp 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.319 and yearbook camp and language camp and model you in 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.200 and I did all sorts of nerdy thing. You did 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:50.000 all the camps. Hello, I'm Mini driver and welcome to 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.000 many questions. I've always loved Prius question ap It was 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.880 originally an eighteenth century polor game meant to reveal an 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.800 individual's true nature, But with so many questions and there 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.720 wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything. So I 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.959 took the format of Proof's questionnaire and adapted What I 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.600 think are seven of the most important questions you could 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:14.080 ever ask someone. They are when and where were you happiest? 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.840 What is the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:24.600 real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.479 you most like answered, What person, place, or experience has 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.240 shaped you the most? What would be your last meal? 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.280 And can you tell me something in your life that 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.040 has grown out of a personal disaster. The more people 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.880 we ask, the more we begin to see what makes 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.160 us similar and what makes us individual. I've gathered a 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.840 group of really remarkable people who I am honored and 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.120 humbled to have had a chance to engage with today. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.840 My guest is Chelsea Clinton, one of the most multidimensional 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.640 people I've had the pleasure of speaking to. And as 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.160 someone who studied acting as opposed to going to a 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:10.560 traditional university, I am always inspired by true academics. What 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.520 strikes me is even more impressive about Chelsea is that 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.320 with her doctor in international relations and her master's in 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.040 public health. She's carved out a space where her voice 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.640 and expertise can create real change in the world. There's 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.160 also a grace and a persistence with which she's explored 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.880 her influence outside of the towering presence of both her parents. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.880 No mean feat. So I admit I just had a 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.760 moment which this is like so mortifying, but now I 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.640 have to have to say this because it was in 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.880 my head and I started to say it and I 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:44.920 was like, do I want to say it? And I 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.600 was like yes. I went on a date to Circle 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.840 of Friends many many years ago with very sweet Rory Aigan, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.320 who was my high school boyfriend. But I think it 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.560 was like the second date we went on, so when 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.400 I was steering and I was like, oh my gosh, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.480 I was like ricocheted backed going on a date at 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.959 the movie theater on Connecticut Avenue in Washington, d C. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.680 I love that, you know that. I love that. That 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.080 is like a grandmother didn't memory. That's great, and like 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.280 we didn't share popcorn because I was like that felt 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.120 too awkward. He was like, do you want popcorn? And 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.600 I remember being like, no, we do I want popcorn. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.600 What's the right romantic answer here? I was like a 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.399 very awkward teenager, so you know what, so was I, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.200 which is what I think I got that part in 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.400 that film because I was just completely exactly what. I 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.960 was just kind of overgrown with mental hair and didn't 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.600 really know which way was up. So glad that was 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.040 your first date. You and Popcorn my boyfriend, who, by 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.160 the way, did model you end with you in New York? Yes, yes, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.840 he did what music did. So I was Brazil and 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.280 Canada in different years. One year I was Brazil and 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.720 one year I was Canada or not not just me, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.600 my my high school team. So you'll have to ask him, 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.840 does he remember? He didn't want me to mention it 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.400 at all, but now I have. But anyway, we got again. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:05.040 We're gonna get a to it. When and when were 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.839 you happiest. I'm happiest with my kids, I really am. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.119 I'm happiest when my kids are laughing. I'm happiest when 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.720 my kids are like crawling all over me and tickling me. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.919 I'm happiest when we are reading a book together or 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.080 baking together. We bake a lot, even pre pandemic. We 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.080 just have baked more in the pandemic, which is probably 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.160 not good. For any of us. It's been a lot 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.120 of fun, and we try to watch a family movie 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.000 every weekend um and I love listening to my kids, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.760 and I've had these quite deep conversations about trolls or monsters, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.960 inc Or most recently Ryan and the Last Dragon. Well, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.039 my two older kids who are four and six, not 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.880 my youngest, who's one, who doesn't really stay still for 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.039 the family book reading or baking or movie watching. But 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.440 that's when I'm happiest. I'm happiest when I feel my 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.520 children's laughter fill my body and in my heart. Did 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.520 you enter sicipate that before you were a mother, did 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.279 you anticipate what that feeling of your children's laughter insidet 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.160 you would feel? Like? No, No, I mean like I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.919 love my husband. We always knew that we'd hope to 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.800 have children. I was so excited to be a mom 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.480 when I was pregnant with all three of our children. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.360 And yet this is gonna sound so crazy. I don't 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.559 think I've actually ever said this in any public format, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.480 But my husband Mark and I were watching that show 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.000 in the History Channel of the Vikings. I love that, 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.560 and right after Charlotte was supporting in the hospital like 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.000 in the operating room because I had to have an 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.920 emergency C section, and I had the sense of like, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.880 if the Vikings come through here, I'm gonna get off 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.599 the table, even if my guts are literally like spilling 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.560 all over the place, and protect my child. And it 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:49.080 just it felt so primal. I love it, and I 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.160 was like, who is this person? I'm no fair? What 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.880 is this person that has just taken over my body? 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.080 You had a full Viking flashbang. I love the fact 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.719 that you were envisioning Vikings and that you would fight 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.840 the Vikings. I just say, if they were going to 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.240 come marauding through the operating room, I was ready. I 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.000 didn't know how I would be ready, but I was 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.640 ready to protect. And I was trying to explain this 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.239 to my husband. He was like, what are you talking 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:18.120 about again? But I'm ready, And he was like, talking 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:23.000 about but I'm ready. I have my mace, I think 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.560 exactly under the table. I just felt like all of 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.280 a sudden I had become a mother and that this 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.760 was the most important part of my life and what 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.840 an extraordinary not only gift but new reality. I've been 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.359 given to love this little person and then to love 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.359 her brothers and so It's not what I'd anticipated, and 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.680 yet I could not imagine my life any other way. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.000 Did he give context to the things that you were 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:52.159 already interested in? Yes? Yes. Did it make you want 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.920 to make the world a better place? Yes? And it 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.719 made me feel even more intensely about the things I 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.360 already felt strongly about, which I didn't know it was possible. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.000 How frustrating it is actually this kind of sometimes conceit 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.120 of the young people will save us, right, Like why 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.080 do the young people have to save us? Like shouldn't 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.920 we be saving us so they don't have to? Yeah, 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.320 my job as a parent isn't to say, oh, congratulations, 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.280 here's the mess I left for you, but don't worry, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.320 like I'm going to give me the duel to tackle 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.360 it and take this. Here's a dumpster fire for you, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.040 good luck, I love for you, goodbye, But I'm going 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.000 to make you a really big, bright, sparkly sign on 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.360 the sideline. It's like cheering you on, like in a 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.920 helicopter around the dumpster file. Right, it's so perverse to me, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.080 But it just everything got sharper and felt like more 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.960 urgency and energy and kind of a vibration of like, oh, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.640 like I have to do this now, like I have 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.120 to write, I had to teach these classes. I have 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.840 to do this work. I have to try to help 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.480 people care. I have to get people focused on public health. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.520 And now it's easier because we're in the midst of 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.600 a pandemic and all my friends are like, Oh, this 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.800 is what you do, this is why you've been talking 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.000 about for years. I know what an extraordinary lens as well? 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.000 Do they have a pandemic actually bring into even further 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.560 focused the work that you've been doing all your life 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.320 as an adults too suddenly go here, here it is illustrated, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.240 laid out before you, and once again, you know, in 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.320 the same way that the Reagan administration refused to deal 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.120 with the HIV AIDS crisis, the same way the Trump 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.640 administration refused to admit that there was even a problem 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.760 with COVID nineteen and that it was going to somehow 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.560 disappear painful painful echoes. Because I remember where I was 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.520 when Magic Johnson talked about being HIV positive, and I 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.040 remember reading and then later watching the extraordinary movie that 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.040 came out of and the band played on, and I remember, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.360 you know, trying to consume everything I could about act 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.320 up and just the deeply visceral residence of silence equals death. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.960 And then I remember thinking I will never be there again, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.720 right like, even though there's so many things that I 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.199 wish had been different, you know, at the New Year 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.320 of last year, I just never thought that you would 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.840 have had even under the Trump administration, an administration that 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.360 kind of had the echoes of the worst of the 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:12.360 Reagan era, of ignorance and dismissiveness and the discrediting of 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.000 kind of science and facts and the kind of wilful 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:21.120 trafficking and things that are so unscientific and not based 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:36.120 in facts. I know that you are a baker, will 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.440 be your lost mail. O good lord. I was a 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.240 vegetarian for many years. I gave up bread meat when 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.679 I was eleven, and I gave up all of meat 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.600 when I was thirteen. It was a little bit, a 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.680 little bit rebellion and a little bit motivated by cruelty 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.520 toward cattle and slaughterhouses and concerns about excess of red 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.360 meat on your body. But it would be totally disingenuous 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.880 if I didn't also just own that it was a 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.520 little bit rebellious, which all my friends were like this 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.040 is how you're rebelling. It was like such a rebel, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.040 shall say that as the rebellion of somebody who goes 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.320 to math camp. I won't eat meat and I will 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.280 do fractals. Yeah, so you know, and I like, you know, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.200 I had to give my mother all of these back 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.920 in the old days when you would you know, have 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.199 to write things out right out, like don't worry mom, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.480 I know how to have a well balanced meal. But 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.320 for some reason, when I was twenty nine, I just 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.120 start to crave red meat. I don't know if that. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.400 I was also running so much the time, so I 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.360 don't know if it was I needed the iron or 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.960 I needed the protein. And I'm a big believer in 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.000 listening to our bodies. And I don't eat a lot 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.760 of beatus. I'm still very mindful of the kind of 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.840 environmental effects, but I do I do love a really 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:48.160 good like flat iron steak or skirt steak or cheeseburger, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.520 So I would probably have one of those, not all 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.880 of those. Can have a buy a full three maybe no, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.960 well no no, because like I just and like a 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.360 really good arrugala salad is that for ring? And I 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.760 love broccoli, so there'd be some broccoli and some roasted 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.839 Brussels sprouts, and I would have to have a really 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.480 decadent piece of Maybe do you know I'm going to 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.160 not have a piece of cake. I'm gonna have dark 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.719 chocolate movese with some whipped cream on top. And I'm 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.560 going to have a really large espresso at the end 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.559 of the meal. Oh and I definitely. And I want 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.000 a glass of red wine during the meal. So I 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.120 want my glass of red wine. I want my steak. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.200 I'm gonna go steak, not cheeseborg I want my steak, 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.400 I want all my green vegetables. I want my chocolate 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.400 moves with my glass of red wine. And then I 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.480 want to have a big espresso and I hug for 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.320 my kids, and then I guess I can die happy. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.240 If that's where this conversation is going. It's quite triggering 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.000 this question because you know your last meal, you know, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.599 before you get on the greyhound to go to Wyoming. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.160 I don't know, but last meal. It does sound like 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.560 you know it's your last meal before you're going to die. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.480 But you were going to say a piece of what 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.080 you went for the chocolate movese, But you did say 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.679 I will have a huge piece of Yeah, I love 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.400 red velvet cake. I have a red velvet cake in 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.280 my refrige itater we made a few days ago. Well, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.600 you can have the red velvet cake and cho Jessie 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.199 like this is an interesting I feel like you really, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.520 even when you're given carte blash to have your your 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.400 still abstomust. I don't want to be even at the end, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.120 right up to the end. She wasn't a glutton. She 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.240 only had the moves, she didn't have the cake. Let 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.400 it be known. That's a good epitaph. Can you just 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.160 tell me what flavor is red velvet? Because I don't understand. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.120 In England we didn't have it. It seems to me 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.880 that it is just red food coloring in plain cake. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.319 What's the flavor meant to be? There are quite intense. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.959 Maybe that's opperstating it. Maybe it's just intense. If you 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.360 care about Southern Baby, I think they're very intense debates. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.400 Then I think this really needs a little bit of 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.320 a few red velvet platforms. Aren't you just like red groups? 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.000 The origins of red velvet are a bit shrouded in mystery. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.280 Some people say red velvet originated um beat sugar and 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:06.000 beat food coloring when sugar was expensive and harder to 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.920 come by, and beats or not, and so the red 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.880 color comes from beats. That is the best explanation I 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.080 have heard yet. That's what I had heard growing up. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.800 I now know though that others say, no, Actually, it 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.920 was about the texture of the cake. It was the 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.559 texture of the cake that was velvety that if you 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.160 were using lighter chocolate kind of the light brown looked 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.400 a little red and red sounded more novel, and so 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.800 it was kind of marketed as red velvet cake even 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.600 before it had the color red. So that's some people's explanation. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.840 So I don't want to go definitively like on this 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.120 because I'm now gonna have baking forms being like she 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.559 was not truthful about this. I don't think you are. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.319 I think they're going to be happy that you're talking 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.440 about cake at all, because I know I am. I 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.920 think it doesn't get enough play. Well. So we love 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.640 the Great British Baking Show in our family, it's the 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.040 greatest show ever made. I think that it might be. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.320 I think that it might be. Why couldn't they just 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.440 have made endless versions of that show to help us 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.960 through the last fourteen months, to give us like the joy. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.880 I'm sorry to Telly, but in England that did this 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.440 thing where they had celebrities on to bake people who 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.400 maybe have never baked before, and it was all for 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.800 stand up to cancer. I've heard my English friends have 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.400 really they haven't been very kind and like rubbing it 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.200 in my face. They have had a lot more content. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.440 It's been the best thing about being in England. There 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:35.240 is a lot more bake off. What person, place, or 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:40.880 experience has most altered your life, Well, probably the honest 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.400 answer is when my father won the election and we 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.920 moved to Washington, d C. When you moved from little 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.400 Rok to d C, did things become sacrisancs? Did you 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.800 take things with you that made it home, that made 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:00.680 this transition somehow easier or made it more familiar completely. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.360 One of the things I'm so thankful to my parents 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.360 for doing is there were very much the rhythms of 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.720 our life and that we still had family dinner every night, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.280 so that was very sacrisaying time. Even if my parents 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.840 had to go out to an event, or if my 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.600 father had to go back to the Oval office, he 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.320 would come home, my parents would come home. We had 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.400 dinner every night together. We went to church on Sundays, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.760 and we had family lunch after church. That also was 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:31.040 really sacrisying family tradition and all of that translated. I 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.440 grew up playing just huge numbers of games with my 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.120 parents and with my grandparents, my uncle's and we I 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.480 think played games every week, if not kind of more frequently, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.640 card games, board games, depending on how we're all feeling. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.120 Sometimes tarades, I mean, just we had so many games. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.840 When my father won is probably the event in my 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.840 life that externally most kind of influenced my life, but 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.080 certainly internally what most influenced my life was when I 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.440 became a mother. Oh yeah, I often won about the 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.720 parallel life if I hadn't had henry of carrying on 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.080 doing and exploring the things all that I'm interested in 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.040 a living what can't help but be a fairly sort 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.120 of selfish life in terms of just living for yourself 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.000 with no dependence. But I wonder what else would have 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.640 filled that space, Because once you know what that feeling 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.280 is to love a child, once you have had that 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:27.560 explosion inside, it's hard to imagine like what it would 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.800 have been like without them, I can't my imagination fails. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.080 I just I can't. I can't see it. Like, I 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.200 don't know what happens to me after when I became 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.720 a mom. It's just empty. And I have a pretty 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.320 good imagination, Like I make up magical stories every night 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.680 for my kids. Do you. Yeah, we have Maya the Dragon, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.160 the Blue Dragon, We have Cadrew the Penguin. We have 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.480 all sorts of characters in our kind of magical menagerie. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.960 My dad used to tell me my sister the story 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.120 about Charlie the Fox, which we now embellish. I mean, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.600 this fox has really been through the ring at this point, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.600 because we add an embellished. But but he's still here, right, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.960 Charlie Fox has survived. Oh yeah he was. He was survived, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.960 but he's lost most of his tail at this point 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.920 because the grounds now getting his tail off. They didn't 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.400 use to, but they get it now. God, what does 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.159 that say about our world? You know what? That you 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.679 can still carry on without a tail? Yeah? Who needs it? 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.680 But do you remember back to your pre children days? Totally? 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.320 I remember pre children, But I can't imagine life without 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.600 my kids. Yeah, because the vikings really and just the 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.840 love that I just felt like I could feel my 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.600 heart in a way like I remember when I went 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.159 through puberty and like I would have a crush and 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.600 a boy and I already you know, told you I 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.359 went on a date to your movie Circle of Friends. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:48.480 So I remember feeling like, oh, like flutters and overwhelmed 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.679 and happy when my husband proposed to me. And so 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.480 I felt connected to this organ. But it really wasn't 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.439 until I met Charlotte, our our first child. I was like, Oh, 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.760 this is a this organ that I could feel when 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.199 I'm I'm a big runner, so like when I was 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.840 going for longer distances or running really fast, and I 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.600 of course could feel my heart beating quite literally, but 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.520 I just felt like, oh, that's what else you're for. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:18.919 And have you read that book Born to Run by 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.760 Christopher McDougall. Yes, my dad gave me that book because 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.760 he reads it seemingly like everything the day after it 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.720 comes out. Gave it to me probably like two weeks 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.040 after it came out. Was like, I thought, of you, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.560 did you get rid of your big, chunky Nike running 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.000 shoes and get some minimalist sandals, because I did so, 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.160 I didn't try the running sandals, but I did try 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.840 like the very thin running shoes, and I just I'm 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.320 not proud, but I my feet hurt. I was trying 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.800 to think of like a more elegant way to say 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.399 that my feet hurt. So I went back to my 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.560 more kind of clunky shoes that my feet don't hurt. Wow. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.960 Using do you run to get away from stuff or 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.520 do you run for health rees or a mixture of both. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.560 So I run, yes, absolutely, because you know, I think 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.600 it's important to exercise and like good for my health. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.480 I also run, though very much for my mental health. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.440 That is the time when I disconnect. It's the time 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.760 when I get closest to what I would think of 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.080 as meditating, where my brain really kind of clears out. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.080 And when i'm going, especially for longer runs, in the 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.440 first half of my run, I will listen to music 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.880 or I listen to a podcast, and then I always, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.680 at least I try unless I'm like totally enwrapped or 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.880 whenever I'm listening to stop stop listening about halfway through 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.600 my run to force myself to kind of be in 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:44.159 that silence of my own mind. How far to you 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.920 run totally depends on how much time I have, does it, Yeah, totally. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.800 So if if I can like wake up early and 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.080 I have time, I can go for a longer run. 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.200 But oftentimes I have like forty minutes, so I get changed, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:57.560 I run like, you know, three and a half miles, 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.040 I come back, and I kind of go back to 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.000 my day. So it just really depends on how much 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.880 time I have. Before I became a parent, I often 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.919 would run at night. Would yeah, I mean, but with 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.960 like reflectors, I was safe. I would safe. I always 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.800 feel like I have because my my poor mother would 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.280 be like, you need to call me when you get home, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.399 and I would be like, I'm thirty two, I've been 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.639 running at night for a long time, Like I know 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.640 how to keep myself safe. Also I'm married, Like you're 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.320 gonna know if I if I don't come home, like 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.959 Mark will call you. And she would be like, I 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.840 just you'll understand one day when you're a mother, And 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.880 sure enough, I now do. So I used to run 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.680 a lot at night, and I used to actually love 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.919 to run later at night, as kind of creepy as 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.000 that may sound, because New York City would just be quieter. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.360 And in the same way, I would love to run 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.960