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Speaker 2: The podcast about cults, extreme belief and the abusive power

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Speaker 2: And today our guests are Sarah Levine and Danny Murphy.

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Speaker 2: They are the hosts of Not Another True Crime podcast.

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Speaker 2: So today we're just gonna chat colts. We're gonna discuss

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Speaker 2: con birs, the theorists who became so extreme in their

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Speaker 1: the cults of Reddit and Soul Cycle, the link between

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Speaker 2: Welcome Sarah and Danny to the show. So y'all host

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Speaker 3: We had bt K. We actually sold him a kitten.

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Speaker 3: How never come up?

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Speaker 5: I mean, for me, it probably was getting back into

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Speaker 4: I had multiple friends try to recruit me for a

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Speaker 3: To recruit people so you could be in the inside

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Speaker 4: Oh, and then once you were in the center, you

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Speaker 1: Actually yes, I'm feeling drawn towards the circle. I'm not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Megan's whole thing. She likes every cult.

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Speaker 4: I do, and because I feel a couple of cults

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Speaker 5: They're convincing. Sometimes I never blame anybody who joins them

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Speaker 1: I mean, some people say that True Crime is a cult.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting. I feel like we don't. I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel similarly though. I think

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Speaker 3: He had done it.

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Speaker 1: I think about that guy every day, the guy who's

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Speaker 3: I love killing people, Like he tried to be rock

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I feel like Reddit is a cult energy definitely,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we are gonna do an entire episode

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Speaker 2: But we were just reading about this cult that sort

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Speaker 1: And oh no, he started a cult on Reddit by

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Speaker 3: But it costs money.

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Speaker 4: But I didn't know how much costs, Like that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Wait, but what he just buy it and then you're

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that people were impressed by, Like

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Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 4: Is a little cult reversal, like he's using his money. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm taking their money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you get to the center of the pyramid scheme.

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Speaker 2: It's a circle, Sarah, You guys is a circle.

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys covered many cults or MLMs on your show?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, we love an MLM which my favorite. Oh

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Speaker 3: it's a good We likes the Lula.

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Speaker 4: Roue stuff and also Monate, the one that makes the

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Speaker 2: What I don't know if it.

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Speaker 3: Was just showing me this those girls. Are we really

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Wait why?

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Speaker 4: And that shampoo is so expensive it's like eighty dollars

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Speaker 4: this company, mow Nate, and it's like they sell this

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Speaker 4: And I don't know, I mean it's still kicking, like

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Speaker 1: Hair and that shells out is very clean and lussious, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's excoliating, it's making room for new hair.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what they say.

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Speaker 4: They say, no, no, no, your hair is just like

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Speaker 1: That cannot like that cannot be so bad. I have

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. They really break my heart.

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Speaker 2: I mean I feel like there is so targeted to moms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the other one that we got because the

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Speaker 5: documentary Myrtle Murder on Middle Beach I want to say,

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I think that's true of all cults.

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Speaker 2: harvey about MLMs is that I just picture like housewives

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00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 2: who like need meaning in their life and are looking

443
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: for some independence, and there's something about that that's so sad.

444
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: I know, but it's all sad. All victimization is always said.

445
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: Like Jenshaw The Real Housewife of Utah, that was a

446
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: sad documentary where she's you know that woman is like,

447
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 1: so I made blankets for babies and nobody bought them.

448
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, aha, but then I went on Reddit and

449
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: people did buy them all, so that was cool.

450
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, do you guys feel like you're susceptible to cults,

451
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 2: and if so, what kind do you think would appeal

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: to most.

453
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 5: I feel on surface, I definitely am because like a

454
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 5: lot of it sounds appealing, but I just have so

455
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 5: bad like follow through anything that's wouldn't make it because

456
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 5: if you can't, I'm not gonna like send money to

457
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 5: people that I don't like. I'm like, I need to

458
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 5: know what the money's for, and you know what I

459
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: have to walk around and do, and it's so much,

460
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 5: and like I like my recharge alone time and I

461
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 5: couldn't do all the camaraderie something, so I feel like

462
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 5: I would be tempted in charge.

463
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: You do like one weekend and you'd be like this

464
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 2: is exhausting.

465
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I lasted a day at Bonnaro.

466
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 5: I don't think I would last more than an hour.

467
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

468
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty skeptical of things, and I don't

469
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 4: even I think I have enough friends, Like I would

470
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 4: be like, thank you guys so much, but I'm good.

471
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're in a good part of your like

472
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: solid point in your life, I think it's pretty I

473
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a different.

474
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Speaker 2: I mean everyone's different. I like, yeah, like if you're

475
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: in a moment of transition, or you're grieving someone, or

476
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: you're just like feeling like something neique, some kind of change,

477
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: these are the moments that were like definitely more susceptible.

478
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: And we always talk about how Megan would join the

479
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: more spiritual New agey cults and I would join the

480
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: like self help like ambition cults.

481
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would do that too.

482
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: Like I feel like the there was some cult in

483
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 4: New York. It was like Superstar or something like that.

484
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but it was great name ye super

485
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 4: stuff like girl female empowerment cults, and it was supposed

486
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: to be just like creative women networking, And like I

487
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: would do that.

488
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: That would be my cult.

489
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: Like you know, why night, I'm in, But I'm not

490
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: sending you my nudes for you to hold as collateral, right.

491
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: Right, at least not at not at the beginning you aren't,

492
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: but maybe six months down the line, once they've gotten

493
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: into your head, maybe then you are.

494
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: Right.

495
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 4: Once they've gotten me my dream job, I'd be like,

496
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 4: all right, you can have it.

497
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: The way that the Gaslight too, is like, well, you

498
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: need to trust, you need to get like, there are

499
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: so many ways that they justify these things that I think.

500
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly would find convincing at various stages

501
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: my life.

502
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's even like tactics that I feel like people

503
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: day to day deal with. It's like the deflection and

504
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 5: like putting it on someone instead of them being like,

505
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: oh they're skeptical. No, you don't trust people, and that's

506
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 5: an issue that you don't trust people, And it's like, oh, okay,

507
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 5: I guess that's my fault now, yeah, yeah, that's about

508
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 5: a really shady situation.

509
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: Totally therapy or cult stuff, right, because for me, I'm like, yeah,

510
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: I don't. I do have trust problems. So if I

511
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: have had ex boyfriends or like people have dated, to

512
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: bring that up and I'm like, well, no, you're right,

513
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: I do. That is a thing that I struggle with.

514
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: He's seeing a thank in me, so maybe I should

515
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: like listen to him, you know. But then, of course,

516
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: if you see flax, they're probably true. Do you think

517
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: your followers would ever join your cults? Your your podcast cults?

518
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: We actually did.

519
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 4: We did this. We played a game on our podcast

520
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: where we each designed the cults and like what the

521
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: uniform would be and Danny's cult won by a landslide

522
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: because everybody got to wear robes that was.

523
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 5: A maximum comfort leggings and then you could have like

524
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 5: just like snack night every time. And it was very

525
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: low left. And I think we just listened to early

526
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: two thousands music.

527
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: Wow, I would join right, it's a fun line.

528
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 5: You don't have to pay anything that was That was

529
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 5: a good bonus too. I'm like, we could just come

530
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 5: and buy.

531
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I'm in tears. What was yours, Sarah,

532
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: I think it was. I think we I don't even

533
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: remember what mine was.

534
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 4: I think wine was definitely involved, maybe like a book

535
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: club element. I think that would be my my cult,

536
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: but fun books.

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: I had both of these. These are my two moods. Okay, guys,

538
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: let's talk about some cases, because Megan pointed out something

539
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: very interesting yesterday, which is that there's been there have

540
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: been a handful of cases in the past year or two.

541
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Oh God, it's so sad to even say, I know

542
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: of parents who believe that the world is ending and

543
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: so they kill their children.

544
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: Got do you.

545
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Want to start us off?

546
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: Sure?

547
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean I just read recently that there was another

548
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: I guess this's happened in twenty twenty.

549
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: But of course we've all heard about Matthew Coleman.

550
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: He's the surf instructor who took his children to Mexico

551
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: and killed them so QAnon.

552
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: He had gotten deep into QAnon, was on all the

553
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: websites and killed his children with a skipping but like

554
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: basically he killed his children with a spearfishing gun. He

555
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: stabbed them both in the chest and then hid their

556
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: bodies underneath some brush in Mexico. And there was a

557
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: quote that said while he was in Mexico he had

558
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: laid in bed quote seeing all the pieces being decoded

559
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: like the matrix, and that he was neo. He said

560
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: visions and signs revealed that his wife at ac Abby

561
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: Coleman possessed a serpent DNA. He mentioned he was not

562
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: sure if she was a shape shifter and had passed

563
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: it on to his children, and that all things were

564
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: pointing to the idea that his children have corrupted DNA

565
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: that will spread if something is not done about it.

566
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: According to the affidavit, didn't know that that was a

567
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: QAnon level.

568
00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: I just thought it was.

569
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 4: You know that the Democrats have a children's sex cult

570
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: and run the world, and I.

571
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: Didn't know there was a serpent.

572
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 5: You know, there's a nice level.

573
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Oh there's the lizard, the whole lizard people thing. I mean,

574
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: the thing about QAnon is that encompasses basically all conspiracy theories.

575
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: Like you name it.

576
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: And there's a division of QAnon that believes in that thing.

577
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, among that is like Illuminati, fucking lizard people,

578
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: George Soros, George Soros, that they right, like they have

579
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: all the the photos of his head is being oddly shaped,

580
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: therefore he must be of lizard. Yeah, dissent or whatever.

581
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, the thing that interests me about this is that

582
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: I have just been sick to my stomach about this

583
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: case since it happened. Is everyone who's read it, I'm

584
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: sure has, but I just feel so bad for the mother.

585
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: You know, her two kids get taken and murdered. But

586
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: what's coming out now is that maybe she was a

587
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: part of it, which is no really interesting because she

588
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: sent him a text that said like, I'm praying for

589
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: your clear this is the night before he did it.

590
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I'm praying for your clarity. Everything you think to be

591
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: true is true and something like that. So that's crazy

592
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: to me and kind of goes into the next case

593
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: as well.

594
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: It's just very strange.

595
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: How these almost dual delusions and couples are happening with

596
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: these conspiracy.

597
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Theories, so fascinating. The direct quote, because I have it

598
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: here is she said to him. We are doing this together, Babe.

599
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: Praying for clarity over you in your mind this morning.

600
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: Everything you've believed and known to be true is happening

601
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: right now. I'm partnering with you from SB Tanna, Barbara,

602
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Let's take back our city, the gateway of revival for

603
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 2: the state of California and the nation in the world.

604
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: You were created to change the course of world history.

605
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: Take care of my little giant slayer. In the voice

606
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: of Heaven's Dove. They sure are special.

607
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: I mean that tech sounds intense. Yeah, I do think

608
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 5: it's really unfortunately useful thing now that because I mean,

609
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 5: like back in the day, like no like that we're

610
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: able to track text messages going between people and everything

611
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: like that and kind of like anything like a deleaders

612
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. It definitely does make me a

613
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 5: little bit suspicious about it.

614
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you sort of imagine that someone is

615
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: just going down this rabbit hole by themselves because of

616
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: whatever is happening, But it does seem like the delusions

617
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: can quite easily be transmitted to your partner or whoever

618
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: is close to you, which is just a very scary prospect.

619
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: It's like a virus.

620
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, what is it called again?

621
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: Fully you do fullya do sh well.

622
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: I also kind of think like, if you're married to

623
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: someone who gets that deep into QAnon, like that deep,

624
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: you're either into it as well or you're getting a divorce,

625
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: like I don't right.

626
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: I think we thought originally that there were some quotes

627
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: from people who were like, we had no idea what

628
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: was happening. The wife didn't like, we didn't know he

629
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: was so deep in.

630
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: But he's talking about burning his bibles to get the

631
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: chips out of.

632
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Them, and you know, not like chips, you eat computer

633
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: chens and get the dridas.

634
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff like that. It's very very strange.

635
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

636
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: And they look so normal. They always just they just

637
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: look like the.

638
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 5: Most normal family.

639
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: It's like American Murder, like that family. Those people look

640
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 2: That man looked seemed seemed normal, right, I mean whatever,

641
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: just a generic white guy. But I guess it's always

642
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: the generic white guys if we're being honest.

643
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: Guy was handsome, you know, he was actually handsome.

644
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: Handsome people never kill any No, I'm just saying it's

645
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: kind of it's kind of.

646
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, he looks.

647
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Everybody in the town was like we had a crush

648
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: on him, you know. It's not like he just like

649
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: blended in. He was actively charming and very very Yeah.

650
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so yeah, it's crazy.

651
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: So then the other case that's happened recently, Anthony taught

652
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: to t O d T. So this man also believed

653
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: that the world was ending. There's it's unclear whether he

654
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: was like down a Quanon rabbit hole or whether it

655
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: was religious or what, but he leave that the world

656
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: is ending. According to him, he and his wife made

657
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: a murder suicide pact to pass over to the other

658
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: side together. But what ended up happening, And these details

659
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: are so gnarly, so if y'all don't want to hear

660
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: violent details, please fast forward. But basically, the mom served

661
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: Benadryl pudding pie to building whole family, which includes three children.

662
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: And this is all in a town called Celebration, Florida.

663
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: Where does isn't that sick?

664
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Crazy things happen in Florida. But this is particularly crazy.

665
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: So apparently she tried to stab herself the wife first,

666
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: and it didn't work, so he killed her by rolling

667
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: on top of her to suffocate her.

668
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: It's pretty dark.

669
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: Wait, but okay, I know this is not the point,

670
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: but like, I didn't know Benadryl could kill you.

671
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, if you take so much of it.

672
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: But well, it just made them pass out, I leave deeply.

673
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: So then he suffocated them.

674
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

675
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe there was some stabbing and then the

676
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: most oh and then he suffocated the dog.

677
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: Oh I know, I know.

678
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: But then the like gnarliest part of this, I think

679
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: is that he first of all, he did not keep

680
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: up his end of the pact. If that is true,

681
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: because this man has just killed his family and then

682
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: lived with them, stayed in the house with the bodies

683
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: for an entire week while.

684
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: They rot it. Oh gross.

685
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: He claims that his wife, Megan, had been watching videos

686
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: about how to achieve salvation in the face of a

687
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: future apocalypse, and again it's like, well, we don't know

688
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: for sure because she isn't here to tell her side

689
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: of the story, but it's like, allegedly they were sort

690
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: of both going down this rabbit hole together. Another example

691
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: of couple apocalyptic murder. I mean, what is happening? I mean,

692
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: it makes sense, but yeah, go on.

693
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, it's also one of those things too where

694
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: you're like they are able to get her Internet history

695
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: or something like that to see if that he's potentially

696
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: a road she was going down. Because also at the

697
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 5: same time, it's either he just didn't end up his

698
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 5: side of the bargain or like this is his cover

699
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 5: for just deciding to murder his family.

700
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: Totally, it totally could be. I mean, I'm like dying

701
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: for more information to come out about that, because he

702
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: could totally just be saying that. But at least his

703
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: search history was apparently apocalyptic shit. And again we don't

704
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: know if it's qan On or not, but I can't

705
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: help but wonder if in this moment that we're in

706
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: in our country and world and time, climate change is

707
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: like feels to me at least like I feel an

708
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: extreme amount of anxiety about it. We're on the brink of,

709
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, which is like so much disaster. We are

710
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: incredibly divided politically, and a lot of people are feeling

711
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: turbulent because of that. And searching for a meeting somewhere,

712
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: and so of course a lot of people are launching

713
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: onto belief systems like qan On and what you know,

714
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: apocalyptic religions and all. So I'm like, it just scares

715
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: me because, you know, even there was the Chad Laurie

716
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: day Bell you guys, do you guys know that case?

717
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh yeah, a mother killing her children, and

718
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: these are all like ostensibly to help the kids, because I.

719
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Mean, and I think it's interesting because even the Moses

720
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: Storm episode that we did, which was the second one,

721
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, he talked a lot about being scared that

722
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: his mom would do that. And I think that in

723
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: cults are even an extreme religion, that is something that

724
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, when your parental figures are like spewing very

725
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: scary gospel like you shall sacrifice the sun before the

726
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: pluck out his eye whatever, it's really scary. I think

727
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: that people feel like that could actually happen. I certainly did,

728
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: like the world could no, like, your mom could take

729
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: you out because she's just like I don't want you

730
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: to go to hell and grow up.

731
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I mean, yeah.

732
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.

733
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: I mean, probably most moms are not doing this.

734
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: No mean they're not, but it is. But it's easy

735
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: to feel scared of that.

736
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm scared of it. I mean,

737
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: of course, familial murder is incredibly tragic and terrifying, and

738
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: I guess I get more afraid of like sort of

739
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: mass murder in the form of like shootings, bombings. You know,

740
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: if storming the capitol something like that would happen again,

741
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: but on a larger scale or something like that is

742
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: what I am afraid of. Extremism just is very, very

743
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: scary to me.

744
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: Definitely if you're six, though, it's kind.

745
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Of if you're six, it's like, hope mom doesn't murder

746
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: me to save me. Yes, our producer Steve said that

747
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: you guys kind of had talked to about how murders

748
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: tend to happen mostly in California and Colorado.

749
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: Is that true?

750
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: You have not looked.

751
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 6: At statistically statistically, but saratistically because a lot of a

752
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 6: lot of very notable ones.

753
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 4: I feel happy, Yes, yea of the well known ones

754
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 4: like happening at California or Colorado, Like a lot of

755
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 4: crazy shake goes on there.

756
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like you can go out to the

757
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: like middle of nowhere, and yeah, but I guess you

758
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: could do that anywhere.

759
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: I take it back, but.

760
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 5: The terrain is more barren in a lot of places

761
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: in the sense that like there's more like natural things

762
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: like like mentions and stuff like that, versus like when

763
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 5: you're in New York City, there's not really that option, right.

764
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: I was like, where are you hiding a body in

765
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: New York City? Except you know, in Central Park and

766
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 4: then in SVU the cops like, you know, someone goes

767
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: on a jog and finds it or whatever.

768
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: But the ocean, you know, but of course that it

769
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: washes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I cult Also I feel like,

770
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: and again probably not statistically, but it does seem like

771
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: at least the most high profile ones tend to be

772
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: in California or Utah. And I want to say Coloria too,

773
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: am I Am I wrong of thinking about that, Megan,

774
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have no litter webell country.

775
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: Where was that California?

776
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: That was Orgon, not Colorado? I get organ and Colorado

777
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: mixed up a lot, you guess.

778
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: But Utah is like were MLM capital. So I feel

779
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: like you're definitely onto something.

780
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: Well that is so interesting because it's the MLM capital,

781
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: but it's also the like Mormon offshoot polygamist group capital

782
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. There are so many, and that's something

783
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: actually that's been coming up a lot, because there's this

784
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: show under the Banner of Heaven. It is about a

785
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: particular Mormon offshoot group that ended up murdering people, and

786
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: people kind of lump all of these groups together, but

787
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: there are actually I think I read more than like

788
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: something like four hundred offshoots of really yes, that are

789
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 2: not mainstream Mormonism. Mainstream the mainstream LDS church banned polgamy

790
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: in the late eighteen hundreds because to like be allowed

791
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 2: to be a state still basically, But then so all

792
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: of these other groups branded off and we're like, well,

793
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: we want to keep polygamy because that's what our original

794
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: prophate said. So we're going to go off on our own.

795
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: And then all of them would have like sons where

796
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: one son would be like, well, I'm the true prophet

797
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: and another son would be like, I'm the true prophet.

798
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: So you have all of these different branches, and most

799
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: of them are in Utah. So it's so interesting that

800
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: that is also where the majority of MLMs happen, Like, why,

801
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: what is the connection there? What do we think that is?

802
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: Well, so one of our followers actually message us, who

803
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: I think lived in Utah maybe is or was Mormon,

804
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: and said, it's kind of like in Mormonism, the wife

805
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 4: is kind of conditioned to be like subservient to the

806
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: husband and not work, and I think that's a big thing.

807
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: There might also be a bit of like that sort

808
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: of Calvinist work ethic involved, where like, you know, you

809
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: have to work hard to prove yourself. So that's what

810
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 4: she had kind of told us. Where it attracts these

811
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: like stay at home moms because they're not really supposed

812
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 4: to work, but this is something that they can kind

813
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: of do from home.

814
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: That actually makes so much sense. So I grew up

815
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: as a mainstream Mormon until a certain point and then

816
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: I believed in like a self proclaim profit. So I'm

817
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: one of these people. I mean I remember, yeah, like

818
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: all of the girls' moms from church, like most of

819
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: them were stay at home moms because they had like

820
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: freaking seven kids or whatever, and that was there, that

821
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: was their full time job. And as anyone who's read

822
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: the feminine mystique, nos like just being devoting your life

823
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: to your children and not having something of your own

824
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: can create a lot of you know, angst or depression

825
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: or whatever, and looking for something outside of that. That

826
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: is very intuitive. That does make sense because it does target,

827
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: like we said, stay at home moms.

828
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 5: It's people that are kind I feel like a lot

829
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: of it. It's people that don't need the income to

830
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 5: get by get like day to day, but the people

831
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: that could benefit from a little added income or people

832
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 5: that don't are necessarily looking for like a hobby mixed

833
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: with a job or something to do in like a

834
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 5: community in that repard.

835
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: So definitely, yeah, right, I mean, can it ever be

836
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: a good thing? I remember getting.

837
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Really excited when people sold mary Kay back in the nineties.

838
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: I love that, Okay, I loved mary Kay when I

839
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: was a kid.

840
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's why it's a funny thing. I have

841
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: cut co knives that I love. And then I was like,

842
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 5: now that I learned, I'm like, ooh, these are major

843
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: MLM vibes. And I did have to sit through a

844
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: presentation of a friend knocking on my door, but they

845
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: lasted like almost a decade or so.

846
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: My gosh.

847
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: Right, So can we buy stuff from them sometimes, can

848
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: we do.

849
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: That support a housewife buy something from an MLM?

850
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

851
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I do miss

852
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: the culture because we were so into that. Actually, Like

853
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: when my mom was she wasn't ever a stay at

854
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: home mom, though she always did all kinds of things,

855
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: but we would have topperware, we would host other people's

856
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: like topperware parties. We'd go to Mary Kay parties. My

857
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: mom would always make the best food for it, you know.

858
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: So I have such like positive associations with all of

859
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: these things. I'm like, well, yeah, that's where you eat

860
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: the like cheeseball and the pastry puffs, and it's like

861
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: everything's delicious. If you try and make a dream, what's

862
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: wrong with that?

863
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: Do you guys have a favorite cult?

864
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: I kind of liked the Wild Wild Country cult because in.

865
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: The beginning, like they were creating the.

866
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: Sort of utopian like self sustaining society. They really were

867
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 4: doing it until they went off the rails and tried

868
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: to like manipulate the whole town's election.

869
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: Like I think if they had just trying.

870
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: To poison everyone, yeah, yeah, exactly, like if.

871
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: They had just been in a commune, I think it

872
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: would have worked if they hadn't gotten in power hungry.

873
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 5: Scooby do, they could have gotten away with it. I

874
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: know that way, yeah, And I mean me and C

875
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 5: do really have a lot of a session with scientology

876
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 5: and just kind of the whole avenue of that, which

877
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: is a bias of its own that I always get

878
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: afraid to even mention because they are very strong numbers.

879
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: So well. I heard someone told me recently that there's

880
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: a law again like if you do too many frivolous lawsuits,

881
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: then you were basically forbidden to sue anymore for saving

882
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: their lawsuits for no I read that they had been

883
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: that they had hit that limit. Oh and that's like

884
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: why people. I could be wrong about this, but someone

885
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: said this to me. I have not confirmed it, but

886
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: apparently so, there's an anti slap law in California. If

887
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: you're doing frivolous lawsuits, that can be the thing that

888
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: stops you. But if you get like a certain number

889
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: of them, basically you're like band, which is okay, awesome,

890
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: And I would sure love for that to be a

891
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: national thing because it is something that actually cult leaders

892
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: all over the place, including my own, try to employ

893
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: to intimidate people into not talking. So I think it's

894
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: possible that we can say whatever the fuck we want.

895
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: I feel like that's not going to stop them from

896
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 4: like coming to your house.

897
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I know people scare the Shiiti. One time I was

898
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: walking home at like seven am, so hungover, and I

899
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: threw up in all of their bushes. And they've never

900
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: done that thing to me, So I think, yeah, I'm

901
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: an example to be like, she is not clear.

902
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever gone to do a stress test

903
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: or anything?

904
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: Oh I have.

905
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: I've talked about it on the show, but oh my god.

906
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: It was very interesting.

907
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: Be afraid that they would just like never stop sending

908
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 4: me letters and shit.

909
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: Oh well, we gave them fake names and fake emails

910
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: and stuff. You don't have to give them anyway.

911
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: That's smart. I wouldn't have thought of that.

912
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like so tempted to do it again, just

913
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: because it's been a long time. It was honestly a

914
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: pretty fun date. It was long, three hours a date.

915
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: It was a Valentine's Day date because we thought it

916
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: would be fun.

917
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and.

918
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: They separated us so we had really different experiences. And

919
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: then afterward at Olive Garden, again very romantic date. No,

920
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: but we like unpacked it for hours. We were like

921
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: what Because I had a guy who was not very

922
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: experienced and I was like, what are you talking about?

923
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: This is done? But he got a woman who was

924
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: very experienced and was very skilled at like identifying his

925
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: particular areas of vulnerability and praying on them. And by

926
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: the end of it, he's like I knew what it was.

927
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: I knew what she was doing, and I still part

928
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: of me was like, should I listen to her?

929
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 3: She knows?

930
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: Like maybe this is the answer. I am depressed, you.

931
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Know, Oh wow, that would have been a prank date

932
00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: gone right.

933
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 4: I was dating this guy and I got him into scientology.

934
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: Lol.

935
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: I also do a thing though that I'm this is

936
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: how I know they don't they're not going to kill

937
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: us too. Where if I drive by on sunset and

938
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I see them talking to tourists, you know, I'll like honk,

939
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: and I'll like, don't do it.

940
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably take that as honk if you

941
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: love Jesus.

942
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'll wag my finger out them and

943
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: I'll go, uh uh no, that's really funny.

944
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

945
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: Did you see the Elizabeth Moss quote.

946
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 5: And she went to the bathroom right when Yeah, yeah,

947
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 5: because she left during I think the critics choice or

948
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 5: some of that when Leah Remedy won the award, and

949
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 5: she's like, I would just go to the bathroom, It's.

950
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Like and then I guess she opened up candidly about

951
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: how people just need to see for themselves and stop

952
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: be so judgmental and sort of positioning it as you know,

953
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: they're being discriminated against, which, in fairness, they are, but

954
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: like also, yeah, yeah, fair yeah, but I want to

955
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: clarify we are not discriminating against people who are indoctrinated.

956
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: We are discriminating against the people who abuse them and

957
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: manipulate them. And yeah, and want to protect people from

958
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: also being abused and manipulated. And that is why, yeah,

959
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: talk disparagingly?

960
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: Did you guys like bad Vegan was that?

961
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 5: I loved it?

962
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: Isn't it just wild how fast her mind got taken

963
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: over And she's such a smart, beautiful woman.

964
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: And it didn't even seem like she was getting very

965
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: much in return everything, like nothing, She didn't seem attracted

966
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: to this guy like he paid her back.

967
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: One time. I was just like, you, is he giving you.

968
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Did we ever learn how he knew Alec Baldwin was

969
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 1: that just never?

970
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: I think he was he was just like.

971
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: A Twitter reply guy, and like back in those days,

972
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: if you had a lot of followers, people just thought

973
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 4: that you were legit.

974
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

975
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: And also because I think I feel like Twitter is

976
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 5: a pop from troop if someone keeps on tweeting and

977
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 5: you're like follow me, follow me, okay, okay. Well, as I.

978
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: Said on the other another episode recently, like someone in

979
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: the series said, he was like tweeting these really funny tweets,

980
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: And I think at that time on Twitter, you had

981
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: a lot of clout if you were just doing like

982
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: funny tweets. Like funny Twitter was a real thing. The

983
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: tweet don't seem funny to us now, but I think

984
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: at the time they slapped well, I.

985
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: Mean, did they though ever on his because he's just like,

986
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: have a nice day, wink, mister Fox, and she's like,

987
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: I was dying laughing.

988
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I feel.

989
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: Like that's funny. She's like, oh my god, I'm so hungry.

990
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: I know someone's eating like raw vegetables all the time.

991
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe just a humor part of her

992
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: brain function.

993
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 5: I love vegan food. Vegan starts to lose me.

994
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that is a different yeah, yeah, yeah.

995
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: No offense to anyone who's inter raw food.

996
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 5: Oh I was, I'm vegetarian time for twelve years, was

997
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 5: beating for four years. I know it, so I can

998
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: judge it. Snap sometimes yeah yeah.

999
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not getting like enough give me a carp Yeah,

1000
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: you're not getting enough stuff to soak up your emotions because.

1001
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 5: Also yeah, the restaurants they have it like she had

1002
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: like a head of cauliflower, not even and I'm like,

1003
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: well you can there's more raw stuff you could put

1004
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: on there, Like I could have a bag of baby carrots,

1005
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: like fill up the plate a little more, right, right, right,

1006
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: there was raw the quantity of the rock.

1007
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: But listen, she looks great, she's.

1008
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 5: Beautiful, beautiful gowns.

1009
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

1010
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 5: Sarma opened up this very notable, famous vegan restaurant with

1011
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: a restauranteur and then he came in the picture was

1012
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: promising her money but also like that her dog could

1013
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 5: live forever, and kept on telling her about like these people.

1014
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 5: He knows it kind of was tinder Swindler energy. If

1015
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 5: you saw that where it's like talking about these people,

1016
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 5: I need money for the X and the YAZ and

1017
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 5: kind of just had her like dis engage with anybody

1018
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: around her besides him, and then X y Z they

1019
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 5: went on the run. She didn't realize it was the run.

1020
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: They were living in hotels for a year.

1021
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: Consider that the run and so sad.

1022
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: The town they get arrested in it is the perfect

1023
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: third act. It is just really it's just the weirdest

1024
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: town made up of like weird amusement park, like like

1025
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: shitty amusement parks.

1026
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: It's just the weirdest place.

1027
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: And they're just like it was the end of the

1028
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: road for this guy. He had nowhere else to go,

1029
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: and she's just like still hanging in there with a

1030
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: little shred of hope, I think, but quickly deteriorating.

1031
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: After just watching episode one, I was like, God, I

1032
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: really wish she'd die with Alec Baldwin. They seemed like

1033
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: they were really meant to be together.

1034
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: That that's what I was thinking.

1035
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 4: I was like, imagine where she would be today if

1036
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 4: she just didn't curve Alec Baldwin.

1037
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: He has a type women who scam or a fraud

1038
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 5: a little bit.

1039
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: It's really true. It's a very good point.

1040
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: That is a reference I'm assuming to Ilaria Baldwin.

1041
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: Who.

1042
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: Glory Hillary for y'all who.

1043
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: Don't know Hilaria Baldwin has. This is like obviously American,

1044
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: her parents are American Boston, and she started putting on

1045
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: a what was the Spanish accent.

1046
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: Pretended she forgot the word cucumber or avocado.

1047
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember?

1048
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: She was like, how you say? How you say? Like

1049
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: you know how to say?

1050
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: People went to go with her, like you're from Boston,

1051
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: we know you know how to say cucumber.

1052
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: That was awful.

1053
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we don't know what's going on with you,

1054
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Like it's it's cringey, it's extremely cringe what you said earlier,

1055
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: Sarah about Wildlild country and how it could have been

1056
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: just like an innocuous commune or whatever. Can there be

1057
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: an innocuous commune? Like do we think that can really happen?

1058
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: Is that a thing? I think so?

1059
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: I think they have them in other countries, Like I know,

1060
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: like Israel has a lot of kibotz is. That's sort

1061
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: of you know, like a collective sort of.

1062
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: Work ethic vibe. I think as long as you don't.

1063
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: Have like a charismatic leader behind it all, then maybe

1064
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: you'll be okay.

1065
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it always comes down to that. It always

1066
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: comes to that. Although I always think of the group

1067
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: that Megan grew up in, which doesn't have a leader

1068
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: now but still manages to be incredibly culty.

1069
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very strange.

1070
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: But it's true if you if it's if there's like

1071
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like the AA structure. We've talked

1072
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: about this a bunch, but like where there's like a

1073
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: different leader, because you need hierarchy of some some kind

1074
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: in order to have to be organized. But if it's

1075
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: all centralized within one person, like that's when that power

1076
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: starts to become dangerous. So I'm like just constantly trying

1077
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: to figure out, like how can I have a group

1078
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: or like be in a group and no one gets

1079
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: fucking power hungry and starts abusing people, Like how do

1080
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: we do that?

1081
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 5: You got to take up capitalism with that to that's true,

1082
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 5: that's true.

1083
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 3: Power time. Yeah, it's true. It's true.

1084
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: Let's all just be powerless, how about it.

1085
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: My favorite thing to do is just lay on a

1086
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: chaise like I'm so happy having no power, Like tru

1087
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 5: that's someone think you also I don't want to make

1088
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 5: decisions I couldnot.

1089
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, less responsibility please yes, Oh my god, the emails

1090
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: that you would have to check to run a colt

1091
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: like I already have a migraine.

1092
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1093
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

1094
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys. That's really good.

1095
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: And tell us about your podcast one more time.

1096
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we host not another true crime podcast with

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Speaker 5: Batches every Monday. We unpacked cults, scams, MLMs, murders, and

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Speaker 5: also a lot of like documentaries. So we love to

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Speaker 5: like watch those and kind of like give the real

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Speaker 5: story behind them and then give our reactions to it.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Having so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Okay again, okay, what is the most delusional you think

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Speaker 2: that you've ever been?

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Speaker 1: What if I was like, I've never been delusional, and

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Speaker 1: then you realize.

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Speaker 3: That was one right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in eighth grade, maybe maybe I might have

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Speaker 1: taken my yearbook and signed it from all the popular

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Speaker 1: boys in my class to me disguised My handwriting was

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Speaker 1: like was like referencing each other, like, hey, Megan, I

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Speaker 1: know you and Colby had a really special night the

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Speaker 1: last summer, and like Colby had written, I loved our

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Speaker 1: special night last.

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Speaker 3: Summer, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So like I created a town, a town, a village

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Speaker 1: like that Catfish lady from the movie, like a whole

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Speaker 1: village of people.

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Speaker 3: And some people were like, Megan, why did you do it?

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Speaker 1: And the reason I did it is because I thought

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Speaker 1: when I went to my new school, they would say.

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Speaker 3: Can we see your eyearbook?

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, they would know that no matter what

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Speaker 7: it might look like with the long skirts and the hair,

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Speaker 7: that there was a really cool person.

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Speaker 1: I can under that it was sad, Yeah it is really,

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Speaker 1: it's actually pretty epic.

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Speaker 3: I will get it out, and you guys.

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Speaker 2: I am dying to see that. Yeah, that reminds me

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Speaker 2: of something that I did in I think also eighth grade, which.

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Speaker 3: Is such a horrible year.

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Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, which is I was on the like

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Speaker 2: school paper in Utah and I invented multiple categories of

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Speaker 2: the like when you vote the most whatever.

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Speaker 3: Most well dress, or like most popular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I invented multiple categories for myself to be voted

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Speaker 2: as I think it was like most interesting, style, maybe

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Speaker 2: most creative, I can't wonderful, wonderful statistic shit I have

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Speaker 2: ever gotten?

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Speaker 1: And most connected to God and likely to be one

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Speaker 1: of the prophets.

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Speaker 2: I think I remember a student. I can't remember who

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Speaker 2: it was. I want to say it was a boy

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Speaker 2: called me out on making like inventing these categories because

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Speaker 2: I knew that people would, oh like pick me because

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Speaker 2: they hadn't existed before me. Wait right, And I was

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Speaker 2: like campaigning to be the He called me out on it,

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Speaker 2: and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, not, that's no.

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Speaker 1: You were like, do you think the person who won

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Speaker 1: coolest hair would do that?

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Speaker 3: While your hair is like in the weirdest shape.

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Speaker 2: We just like so desperately want to be cool at

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Speaker 2: that age.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the show? Pen fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Pen fifteen? Thank you? Oh my god, they capture it

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Speaker 2: so well. Yes, you've seen it right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, it's my church.

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Speaker 2: It's fucking genius. It's so accurate anyway, So it makes

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Speaker 2: sense to be delusional in the eighth grade. That's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the time of your life when everyone is delusional.

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Speaker 3: Also, like, I had some really good plans.

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Speaker 1: I decided to make the popular Brigade, which is where

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Speaker 1: I collected five girls from my class who were absolute

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Speaker 1: losers like me, but I believed in them as blossoming

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Speaker 1: into something popular. Because you remember when, like middle school,

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Speaker 1: when nerdy like girls that were models would be like,

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Speaker 1: everybody made fun of me in middle school, and you're like, yeah, right, bitch,

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Speaker 1: we actually did have a model in our class that

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Speaker 1: we all made fun of. She was like in the

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Speaker 1: on the cover of YM and stuff, and we're like,

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Speaker 1: you're scary, like she was. Just when you're a kid,

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Speaker 1: it's not pretty. I guess it's hard to explain, but

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Speaker 1: I was like, ah, but in high school, our tastes

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Speaker 1: will change. So she was first on the list. She

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Speaker 1: didn't want to be in it, and the rest is history.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we love that you joined us for another episode.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to see you here again next week.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, remember to follow your gut, watch out

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Speaker 1: for Red Fox.

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Speaker 2: And never ever trust me.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye,