WEBVTT - Episode 51: Prodi G — The Next Generation 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.200 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of shown me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:05.840 I just love that I can hit any shot. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.520 I kind of want. We're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.560 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.640 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.520 Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds Podcast. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.919 I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.599 Marty want to talk a little junior golf today. Just 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.880 came off the heels of hosting an AJGA event in 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.240 Texas and it brought me back, Marty, to my junior 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.639 golf days. The Ping Hooper Bags, some of the golf 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.760 clubs that we've talked a lot about on this podcast 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.880 over the years. But I know you've had some experiences 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.519 lately with your kids and some drive chip and putt stuff. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.840 What is it like being a father watching your kids 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.640 compete in golf tournaments as you're still a guy that 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.000 competes in golf tournaments, Like, what's it like being on 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:47.840 that side of the thing. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.239 It's like, well, I speak for my wife too. She 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.440 gets more nervous watching them than watching me or playing 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.279 herself or anything like, especially drive chip and putt where 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.280 there's only three shots, you know, you scull one chip 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.080 and your toast. But Shane, it's been an amazing summer. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.319 My kids are seven and ten, so they're right in 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.720 the sweet spot of like, hey, we're trying to get 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.720 him to fall in love with the game. And they 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.520 got a lot of other sports going on. It's not 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.560 their only thing, but they got the bug right now, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.600 and we are just we're rolling with it. We're rolling 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.000 with it. So yeah, my seven year old won the 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.840 dry chip putt last weekend. Awesome and it was so fun, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.960 you know, and then he won and then big brother, 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.720 ten year old, he's like an hour later, he did 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.120 really good in driving, came in third, then chipping barely 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.840 missed the grid. So he's like, okay, you know, you're 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.640 kind of must make all three putts or make two 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.920 out of three or something. And little brothers there he's like, hey, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.760 make make make you got this, you know, So they're 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.480 cheering each other on. I mean, it's kind of a 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.800 dream Shange. I like, did now be in that spot 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.880 where the kiddos are, you know exact? I feel like 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.320 I'm it wasn't that long ago. I was right, they're 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.120 ten years old, you know, falling falling in love with 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:04.840 this great game. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.120 Yeah. I mean the memories of junior golf pop up 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.119 a lot in our brains, right, I mean, that's when 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.880 we started to fall in love with golf. That's when 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.000 we started to have our first you know, feelings of competition, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.960 you know, both positively and negatively. I remember there are 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.320 plenty of rides home from junior golf tournaments where I 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.000 shot a million and you're so bummed out and there's 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.480 really nothing mom or dad can say to help you out. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.520 There was some pictures that your wife posted of you. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.320 They were awesome photos, by the way, like you're sitting 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.440 next to your son and they're prepping for drive, chip 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.960 and put. You said it, it's such a small competition 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.079 compared to maybe a big golf tournament where you're playing 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.160 nine holes or eighteen holes. How much coaching goes on there? 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.320 Like what are you saying to your kids as they're 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:46.880 getting set to go or is it just simply trying 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.359 to get them as comfortable as possible. 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.919 Yeah, no, I did a little bit of coaching. Look 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.240 out there, looking at the at the tea box and 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.040 at the big tea and all the kids kind of 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.160 just tea up on the right because it's close, but 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.320 it's a little slopey, the grass is a little long. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.679 I'm like, okay, find a flat spot, get comfortable. I'm 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.400 like working on their te height. You don't want them 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.120 to pop it up, and you know, and then you know, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.400 you got to know the this is like regular stats 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.840 and analytics. Like in the driving, it's way more important 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.000 and drive your put to hit the grid than to 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.800 like have two go far in one go out. So 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.960 really just kind of, hey, you know, they got their 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.960 kind of fairway finder swing so to speak. And my 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.000 kids have played enough golf to kind of know, okay, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.720 I'm gonna try to bomb this one or make sure 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.200 I hit it straight. And last year they both missed 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.320 the grid early on in the driving, and so we're 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.720 really working on, hey, just you know, a fairway finder 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.160 type of swing, and they all both kids hit the 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.160 grid every time. So I was kind of we're kind 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.840 of just talking through that, you know, and then also 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 how to handle if you do miss it. You know, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.480 like it's okay, you got a lot of shots left. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.160 You can make it up, and chipping you can make 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.480 it up, and putting so just making sure they have 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.560 those recovery I guess, like recovery mechanisms like me and 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.320 you you know my I was talking to somebody the 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.560 other day, Shane about my PGA championship or I made 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.200 the cut at Bethpage. Yeah, on number ten, hardest whole 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.960 out there. Everyone knows that. And I doubled it, and 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.280 I was like, Okay, this is like a little story. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.039 I told my kids, like I had that adversity right 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.320 out of the gate. You got to get your calm 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.760 a lot of golf left, you know, do all that 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.680 positive self talk. So that's why I was trying to 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.240 kind of coach them through those recovery skills. You know. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.839 Yeah, I'm a little I'm a little behind you in 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.120 terms of my kid's age. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:32.200 I mean, my son's fly. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.640 My daughter's too slowly getting interested in golf. I will 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.200 say this, though, I got a prodigy set of clubs 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.920 for Henry about three months ago, and we've slowly kind 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.960 of started to adapt him into his world and trying to 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.839 play a little bit of golf. I think I got 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.479 the hook though. I got some grips sent to me. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.159 I think Super Strokes sent kind of a media pack 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.560 got a couple of weeks ago, and they were superhero 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.560 themed grips. My son is obsessed right now with Spider Man. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.960 I slapped that Spider Man grip on his He has 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.040 dialed It's like, Dad, when are we going to play golf? 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.719 So it's like the one little hook you need to 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.000 get him to get him involved. I wanted to ask 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.160 you before we dive a little deeper into Prodigy and 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.640 how it can kind of help junior golfers a I 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.919 wanted to ask you what's the first junior golf memory 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.080 you have, because I was thinking about mine and I 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.080 think I've got mine. I was just wondering if you 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.039 had a moment in junior golf when you're growing up, 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.799 what age you were that you really maybe remember either competing, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.200 playing in a tournament, winning something, whatever the case may be. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.440 And when did you switch to golf? Only because you 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.320 mentioned it with your kids and it's something I'm going 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.760 to be dealing with as well when you go from 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.960 they're playing soccer and baseball and basketball, and I'm obviously 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.520 a big proponent of that. I wanted you to play 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.839 as much things as possible, But when did you flip 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.120 to golf? Specifically. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.039 Yeah, I flipped a golf specifically, Shane. I remember this. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.400 I was, I was pretty decent. I was. I'm a 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.560 lefty throw lefty right. So I played first base. I pitched, 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:00.680 and I was I wasn't like a super fan a pitcher, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.960 but I could throw like a lot of junk curve balls. Man. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.200 I even threw like a knuckleball, you know. But I 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.320 had a really good pickoff move. So a lot of 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.280 guys got on first, but I could pick them off. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.640 I had some good moves there, you know. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.640 Marty, did you have that? Did you have the first 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.919 pickoff move that was slow and then you went to 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.320 the second one was the real one? Or okay, that's 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.920 I'm a lefty pitcher too, like same thing. It's like 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.120 the first one you threw was super obvious, and then 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:26.839 your actual pickoff mood was way. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.080 Just yes, exactly, my pickoff move was better than my pitches, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.600 you know. So but so I played baseball and I 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.080 love basketball too. I just I wasn't you know, I 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.560 wasn't great, and I think I was like, okay, I'm 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.000 gonna I remember between eighth grade and my freshman year, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.520 I was like, I'm gonna go out for the basketball team, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.240 you know, And I went out for the tryouts, in 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.960 a first practice or tryout or whatever. I got absolutely cooked, 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.200 and I was like, I'm out. I'm out, Like running 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.200 suicide wasn't in good enough cardio shape. Man. That's why 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.000 I was like, Okay, I'm going all in on golf. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.960 I remember that moment, Jane, did you? 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.240 Did you have a junior tournament that stood out to you, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.440 like even even before then, that you remember where either 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.520 you remember the golf course or you remember cafeting, maybe 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.800 you remember the score you posted, because you know these 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.920 are like you and I were talking about, these junior 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.640 golf moments are so big even when you get to 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.960 be thirty and forty, like you remember those types of things. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:21.520 They mold you. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.520 Oh man, I have. My brain is just loaded with 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.240 junior golf memories. I think, you know, I think I 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.400 remember playing probably my first tournament where I walked myself. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.240 You know that. Now I'm out there still caddying for 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.920 my kids, and then there's right at that separation point, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.880 my ten year old could be totally out on his zone, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.000 totally fine and good enough. But I remember playing junior 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.320 golf of Arizona and it was a leisure World, this 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.640 little retirement community in East Mesa, and it was super hot. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.200 It's June. We drive our, you know. I lived in 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.080 a small town like two hours east of Phoenix, So 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.960 my parents would wake me up at four in the 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.720 morning or whatever. You'd have a six forty two tea 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.160 time out at leisure World Number one. We'd leave the 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.280 house at three point thirty. My parents wake me up, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.760 put me in the car at sleeping car and I 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.080 remember playing leisure World. I was probably seven eight years 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.800 old out there. You know. It was super hot and 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.240 I was playing what I thought was decent with some 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.960 other Phoenix kids, which was kind of intimidating. I'm from 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:25.000 the small town. And there was a woman who had 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.200 a little patio home out there and she was serving 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.760 lemonade and I'm like, this is not like the eighth hole, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.880 and I'm just hot, thirsty. We all go over there 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.160 get like this lemonade and it was like the best 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.400 refreshment ever. Out on the golf course. I think I 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.880 made a par coming in and that was like my 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.199 first memory of a tournament golf and I was out 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.760 there by myself. It wasn't my dad there helping me, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.040 and I think that was a big moment where I 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.760 felt that kind of like independence, which was fun. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.680 Yeah, I had a similar experience. I remember I played 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.720 an event and it was again it was like one 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.920 of the first times that you feel kind of adulty 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.880 when you're playing junior golf. Is again to your point, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.360 as it was an eighteen old golf tournament, there was 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.160 you know, again there was like some good players in 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.920 the field. I remember I shot seventy eight I think, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.400 and finished third, and so I remember they gave me 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.520 like the sign where they write your names down and 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.520 the scoring and they write your third next to it, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:17.680 put a star around it. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:18.000 Yeah. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.560 Remember I took it home and put it on the 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.760 back of my door and all that stuff, and I was, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.199 it's funny. It's funny you say eighth to ninth grade, Marty. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.360 That was the same for me, is I was playing 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.720 competitive baseball get into golf, started to show some promise, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.599 and I remember when I went to high school, I 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.160 made the decision that I was going to stop playing 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.280 baseball and focus mainly on golf. And that was kind 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.880 of my jumping off point to get into golf. And 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.520 you know, you slowly start to lose other sports and 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.200 maybe other hobbies and focus on golf. But we're gonna 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.280 talk about junior golf. I think you and I probably 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.400 both agree how important it is to be a relatively 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.480 well rounded junior. You know, you don't have to be 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.680 you know, focused and obsessed with golf right away. But 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.200 something Ping is done that I think is super cool. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.760 They've introduced this product g Set, which I mentioned. I've 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.880 got one for Henry and I'm sure eventually we'll get 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.160 one for Charlotte as well. But what I find so 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.400 cool is you measure your children. I did it with Henry. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.760 Was super easy, you know. And you measure height and 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.040 I think it's from arms down and link of arms 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.760 and things like that age, and they build a set 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.080 like they build a set for you and me. And 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.839 what is so cool about Prodigy is as they start 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.480 to grow and as they get taller and they get bigger, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.320 yeap Ping allows you to send this set back once 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.760 and they will rebuild it with the new sizing of 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.240 your children and sit it back to you for free. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.960 So basically this is allowing people to get two sets 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.480 of golf clubs for the price of one for their juniors. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.439 It's like one of the best golf programs out there. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.040 If I had no affiliation with Ping Marty, I would 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.280 still tell people about this program because I think it's 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.160 that important and that's special and that cool that juniors 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:48.880 can jump into this. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.319 Yeah, totally, Shane, and and the motivation for this. And 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.280 I was kind of in this boat and a bunch 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.560 of us that are developing product. You know, we're buying 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.360 other you know, sporting goods for our kids, and we're 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.440 all faced with this with this dilemma, Like I got 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.719 my kids a mountain bike, and it's like, oh, man, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.760 should I get them the cheap one? Totally? You know, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.720 should I give them the cheap one because they're going 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.320 to grow out of it in a year? In this 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.440 in this other company had this program where hey, you 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.040 can buy it. It's like a pretty night It's like 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.400 the Prodigy version, you know, premium, nice, highly engineered version 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.560 of of a little mountain bike. But they have this 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.920 trade up program so you can send it back in 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.560 or if little or if a younger brother wants it. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.640 Theyk got this a nice little program. Same thing with 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.000 for skis, right, it's kind of that same thing, like 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.320 you know next season they're going to be bigger, but 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.839 you don't want to you don't want to buy them 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.840 too big, like you don't want to buy a bike 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.480 too big. I mean, this is a safety issue and 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.080 all kinds of other stuff, so you want to get 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.480 them in the sweet spot. And so golf equipment is 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.360 very similar. And so that's why how we came up 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.120 with that Get Golf Growing program so that we don't 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.760 want the parents. There is a mistake that's very easy 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.559 to make. It I don't blame them in the same boat. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.920 You know, uh to buy an invest in golf equipment 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.960 that's too big for them. So it's going to last 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.079 longer because they'll develop bad habits. You know, it's too long, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.040 they're going to grip down too much, too heavy, too 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.360 hard to swing, things of that nature. So that's why 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.760 we developed that Get Golf Growing program. You can use 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.720 it to you know, either get two sets in one 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.680 and have that product last several, two or three years 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.480 for one kid or a lot of siblings playing the game. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.439 You can you can you can adjust the clubs the 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.880 opposite way. If you've got a twelve thirteen year old 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.400 that's on the tigh end of our Prodigy and then 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.360 you got younger brother, younger sister there at eight or nine, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.440 they're going to grow up. Older sibling grows out of them. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.959 You can send them in for the Get Golf Growing 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.880 program and adjust them shorter. That's no problem. That kind 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.120 of fits fits the model of that program. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.280 Marty, What is the kind of like what are the 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.560 age windows for Prodigy? Like, what do you guys tell 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.360 people that this program is specific for in terms of 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.439 maybe that age window from start from earliest to maybe 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:57.600 the oldest ll age out of it. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.480 Yeah, Well, our original Prodigy, which we're just launch a 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.960 new one, new Prodigy, it was about eight to twelve 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.760 years old. Okay, it was like fifty two to sixty 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.280 two inches in height, but I mean we had so 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.559 much demand for younger kiddos getting into the game that 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.920 with the new Prodigy that we're just launching, that's going 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.319 from forty eight inches to sixty two, which covers most 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.400 kind of seven year olds. Now, so we were kind 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.800 of eight to twelve or thirteen depending on your height, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.400 and now we're definitely in that you know, average sized 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.200 seven year old, taller six year old can get in there. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.880 Although we up to a twelve or thirteen year old. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.520 Marty, You're obsessed with like finding the answers in terms 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.560 of the equipment for golfers, right, I mean that's something 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.240 that you've done your entire career is trying to build 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.280 golf clubs that help the average golfer, the high handicapper, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.720 but it also helps somebody like you who can shoot 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.480 under part and win big golf tournaments and play major championships. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.120 How do you dive into junior golf equipment and using 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.760 your expertise and the team at PING that is so 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.200 and so advanced, how does that team dive into something 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.800 as simple quote unquote as junior golf equipment and use 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.040 the same advances in the technology that we see in 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.000 our equipment for junior golfers. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.600 Yeah, it's really fun. It's fun to take our product 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.320 development philosophy, our research, our testing horsepower, Like we all 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.800 these systems developed, Like we know how to run player testing. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.160 We pump people you've met at the proving ground. Shame 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.520 we got two or three stations pumping all day long 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.280 road player testing, and so it's fun to throw that 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.880 horsepower and expertise at junior product So we'll bring in. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.080 There's some great junior programs around the valley, and we'll 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.400 get all the kids in there. We'll schedule them, they 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.840 come in, parents bring them in, and we run them 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.920 through player testing in exactly the same tools they're hitting 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.640 on track Man. We're doing gapping analysis, we're doing a 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.800 B testing. We're doing qualitative questions, how's the weight and 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.480 balance of this feel, We're measuring their stat areas. We're 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.120 looking at launch conditions. We're running through our optimal launch 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.120 and spin tools that we have for the mainline product 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.760 and looking at stat areas and things of that nature. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.440 We're doing advanced modeling to try to get the headweight 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.800 and the momentum figured out and all that stuff. So 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.080 it's super fun to be able to throw all that 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.200 horsepower at the junior product. And that's how we end 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.840 up with things like you know, the driver loft being 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.560 fifteen degrees right. This is from plugging it into our 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.240 optimal launch and spin knowing that his speeds are down. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.000 Launch is more important than spin and things of that nature, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.600 and being able to dial all those characteristics in of 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.600 the club and then also using what's really fun about 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:40.440 the project products is we're using these same design designers, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:46.800 design engineers in manufacturing tools and capabilities like the driver 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:52.280 is centrifically cast, thin wall machine, variable thickness, space, turbulators, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.720 counterbalance shaft. I mean, all those that all the same 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.640 philosophies and design techniques. We're leaning into all that and 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.920 leveraging it for our Prodigy product and being delivered it 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.000 to the juniors. And when we do competitive testing with 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.600 the Prodigy versus some of the other junior stuff on 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.600 the market. I mean, it's just absolutely incredible. The performance 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:14.400 games we see. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.640 What is something that has surprised you from the testing 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.280 with junior golfers, Like something you thought you know going 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.640 into it, you thought you knew maybe about how junior 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.840 golfers swing or what they do things like that. What 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.120 is something that maybe was completely different than where your 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.320 mind would have sat before you guys got into the testing. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.840 I think the easy thing to do, and we find 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.720 this a little bit of a Lady's product a little 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.240 bit as well, Shane, is that it's not always it's 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.920 not always best to go continue to go lighter and lighter. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.760 There's a sweet spot. It sounds easy like hey, you know, yes, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.200 if you cut down, you know, dad's old eight iron 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.080 and go hit it's gonna be too heavy. But you 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.800 can also make a mistake go on too light, and 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.120 if you go too light on the headweight or the 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.120 club weight, the kiddos will have a hard time, like 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.400 finding the bottom of their swing or their low point. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.359 Is kind of the from a technical standpoint, but you know, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.080 what you see with the kids is they'll fin it, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.280 they'll top it. Now have a hard time getting that 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.120 connection with their with their brain of figuring out where 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.080 the bottom of the swing is. So that's the big 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.439 thing is that you know, we've done some stuff, you know, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.080 looking at some numbers on paper and saying, hey, we 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.320 should go lighter and lighter in the headway for reasons X, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.080 y and z, to get more ball speed, more launched, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.080 what have you. But then we go out and have 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.960 the kids hit it and have a hard time finding 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.679 the ground, finding the bottom. So there's a sweet spot 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.159 there on headway. I think that's probably one of the 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.159 biggest things, is how important it is to hit that 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.120 sweet spot, not too heavy, not too light. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.600 What fitting advice do you have for parents that are 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.680 either thinking about, you know, getting their kids clubs or 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.480 they're thinking about, you know, investing into Prodigy. What do 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.280 you tell parents about fitting for their kids for their juniors, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.240 even if they're maybe five or six years old, they're 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.320 kind of just outside that window that Prodigy is offering. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.320 Yeah, I think it's you know, you want to kind 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.040 of lean on just you can lean on just static 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.840 information about your kid, you know, like how tall they are, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.399 what their height is, what the risk of Florida Shane. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.760 I would love to take you through at this point 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.359 that fitting advice. Well, I think the overall fitting advice 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.440 is use our new fitting app, Junior Webfit, Junior Webfit 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:25.000 Junior Webfit, because it will guide you through how to 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.119