1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. This podcast 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Verizon Hub, the home phone 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: reinvented exclusively from Verizon Wireless. Hello everyone, and welcome again 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: to tex Stuff. My name is Chris Polette. I'm an 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: editor at how stuff Works dot com and sitting next 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: to me as always a senior writer, Jonathan Strickland Dog 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: the Gates. No, pretty good. Yeah, I've already extinguished. I 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: could have said, uh, ish fistin is holds a bit, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: which is pretty much the only other German I know. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: Okay then, which unfortunately will just have people speak to 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: me in German more. Yeah, yeah, you never want to 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: do that, speaking of foreign languages and things that aren't 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: what they seem. Yes, I think. Weren't we gonna talk 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: about some cloons. We are going to talk about some clones, 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: but we're not going to talk about cloning people or 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: anything like that. No, and nor are we going to 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: talk about the Star Wars prequels. Please less said the better. No, No, 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: we're talking about Macintosh clones. I'm sorry, I'm still stuck 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: on the prequels. All right, do we need to give 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: you a second? I'm good. All right, So we're gonna 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: talk about Mac clones. And the reason why this is 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: such a big deal in the first place is if you, 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: if you're a PC user, you might be wondering, Okay, 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: so what's the deal with the Mac? I mean, what 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: what's so important about it? What's so cool? Um? You know, 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: because PCs they come in a variety of different flavors 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: from a variety of different manufacturers. Right, yeah, I mean 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: you could you could walk into your local uh gigantoid 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: computer electronics stores, assuming that it's still in business, and 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: pick from two dozen manufacturers Dell, Gateway. I mean, you've 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: got all these different asir, You've got all these different 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: companies that make these different PCs. Um, they're all running 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: you know of either usually either Windows or LINEX I 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: mean mostly Windows. Uh so, but but they're coming from 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: all these different manufacturers, and um, you know, an HP 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: may be less powerful than Dell that's in the same 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: price range or whatever. Uh but when you when you're 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: started looking around at Max, there's only one source for 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Max that's Apple sort of Yeah, but uh one official 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: official Jobs would have it, Steve Jobs would have it 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: where there's only one source for MAX, and that would 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: be Apple. So you wouldn't find a Dell computer running 45 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: the Mac operating system. No, well not today, not usually. 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Good Lord Pete. You know there is such a thing 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: called a hack intosh. Yes, there is such a thing. 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Isn't gonna this is off topic, but I'll just point 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: out that, Um, for you, those of you who are 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: less Mac interested, I won't say MAX SAVY, that's that's different. Um. 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: If you're not really interested in the MAX and you're going, 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: what are you what are you talking about? A Dell 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: can run the macOS. It could theoretically, but you kind 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: of have to take her with it a little bit 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: because now that MAX run on the Intel processor. If 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: you have a Dell with an Intel process and you 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: want to violate lots of warranties, and you could, Yeah, 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: you could fiddle with it. And the thing is, the 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: mac OS is generally designed to work with the parts 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: that Apple puts in the maccatas. That's one with the 61 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: reasons why it works so well. It's because it says, okay, well, 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: you're looking for a or B it's like, oh, well 63 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I found b Well, there you go. You don't have 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: to worry about whether or not you have a video 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: graphics card or an A T I or you know 66 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: whomever else because you know, that's that's sort of what 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: the Windows clones are all about. So in order to 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: in order to run it on a PC, you have 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: to create essentially what's called an emulator. Yeah, we've talked 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: about emulators before when we were talking about multiple arcade 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: machine emulators. Um, So, an emulator is just really it's 72 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: it's usually software, but it can be software and hardware 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: working together that mimics the way another piece of hardware 74 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: and or software works. Um, it's not a copy. It's 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: just trying to copy what that other piece of equipment does. 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: And people who do this generally have a varying level 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: of success with it, depending on the kind of hardware 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: and the age of the hardware that they're familiar they 79 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: are with it, right, So, um, you know that's that's 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: different when we we're talking clones, and that would be 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: like you go into the store and buy an HP 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: right out of the box, it works with Windows, and 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: it's going to work with Windows because that's you know, 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: it's authorized. It's a clone of the IBM PC from 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: back in the day. So but mac clones, well that's 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: a little different, you know, but it wasn't. Let's let's 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: take a little walk down memory lane. Well all right, 88 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: we both were going to do that at the same time. 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 1: It's just pathetic that we both thought of that. So anyway, 90 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna go all the way back to the Apple 91 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: two days. Yeah, that was when cloning was cool for Apple. 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: They were happy with it. Yeah, well sometimes the laws 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: was not so happy when they weren't. There were official 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: licensed cloner there were, there were, but but the very 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: the first one I'm thinking of is the Franklin Ace. 96 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: Did go back. Yeah, I'm talking about way back to 97 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the Apple too. Yeah. Well, you know when dinosaurs ruled 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: the computer world. So Franklin Ace. The Franklin Ace was 99 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: a computer that came out of the Franklin Computer Corporation. 100 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: And uh that was a clone of the Apple too. 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: And um, it was not licensed. It was not It 102 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: was not authorized in any way, shape or formed by Apple. 103 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: And it actually became the the first success It became 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: the the subject of the first successful attempt in a 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: US court of law to prove that computer software could 106 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: be protected by copyright. Thank you Joshua Coventry, who are 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: a great article about this. UM. But yeah, so so 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: way back and this is back in Uh it was 109 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three that um, that ruling came down where 110 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: they said, okay, you know what an operating system can 111 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: be under copyright, can be protected under copyright, which was 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: a big, big deal. I mean, you know, it sounds 113 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, of course, it sounds like it's it's common 114 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: sense now, but this was back in the very early 115 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: days of personal computing. Yeah, they had to decide whether 116 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: it was basically an original work. And you know, because 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: even recordings were not covered by copyright forever and ever. 118 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: You know, once the recording industry came online, if you will. Uh, 119 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: the courts had to wrestle with that and try to 120 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: figure out how to incorporate copyright law in for music. 121 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: So every time there's some new technology like this, and 122 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, these authors are writing software, they're not writing 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: a book, so they have to say, well, you know, 124 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: does this protection extend And they ultimately decided it did. 125 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: And uh so nineteen three, the the court makes the 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: ruling and it's not until nine that Apple is able 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: to uh to force Franklin to withdraw its clones from 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: the market. But yeah, that's the earliest UM example. But 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: if you if you move forward a few years, you 130 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: start to see licensed Apple software and ending up on 131 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: non Apple computers. So you want to talk about this 132 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, Well, UM, I just know that when 133 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I was in junior high and high school, the Apple 134 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: two was the dominant computer and education. So when my 135 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: friends had computers at home, they had one of two machines, UM, 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: the Apple two, which was more popular and in educational circles, 137 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: or the Commodore sixty four, which was more popular with 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know people who write today's video games, because 139 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: they were the kind of computers that people were writing 140 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: programs for. And an Apple two was considered, at least 141 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: by my friends, something of a word processing machine or 142 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: something that you played Oregon Trail on. UM. So you know, 143 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I first started seeing those machines back in the day, 144 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: and I think the ones that I remember seeing we're 145 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: very similar to the Apple to see UM, you know, 146 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't. I don't remember much about that 147 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: time because I was just getting my first Commonore Amiga 148 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: at that point, and you know, at that point, I'm 149 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: kind of blown off the Apple. We can't go off 150 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: of that. I'm not going off at the dangent. I'm 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: just saying, all right, so let's pull it back. Let's 152 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: skip ahead a few years. We're gonna go all the 153 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: way to the Mac years. Actually we don't have to 154 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: go that far, to tell you the truth, because I 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: remember the the the healcyon clone days of the nineties. 156 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: But as I started doing research, I u site that 157 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I visit every so often called low End Mac dot 158 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: com Um. They generally worked with older Macintosh computers, hence 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: the low end name. You know, you're, oh, well, this 160 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: thing is five years old. What am I gonna do 161 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: with it now? Well, they have a lot of options 162 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: for that. And they also had a bit of a 163 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: history of the Mac cloning world. And one of the 164 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: this is a good segue from our previous topic, because 165 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: one of the very first cloners was a Brazilian company 166 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: called Unitron, and they were licensed to make Apple two 167 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: clones in Brazil. That's because at the time Brazilian law 168 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't allow the importation of computers, so they wanted to 169 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: make maclanes. When the matt came on the market in 170 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: four and around UM, they basically talked to Apple, found 171 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: out that Apple was going to one stake in the operation. UM, 172 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: and uh, basically Untron said yeah, I don't think so. 173 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: So they essentially reverse engineered the thing hardware and software. UM. 174 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: They got ten million dollar alone from the from the 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: Brazilian government and unfortunately applectt winded their scheme. They actually 176 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: got hold of a prototype that had a mac rom 177 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: in it rom chip in it and as soon as 178 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: they did that, they were able to prove, look, these 179 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: guys are hacking off our stuff. We've got to uh, 180 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: we've got to stop this. This is our intellectual property. 181 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: And basically A pressured the Brazilian government to make him stop. 182 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, they already had a few hundred built. UM. 183 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: So they essentially sold their steak, all their their plans 184 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: to another company in Taiwan, backed out and there they 185 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: still exist actually apparently today, but they're um, they're no 186 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: longer in the Apple business by any means that so 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: that was it really goes back that far. That's true. 188 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: But if you if you think about it, jobs one 189 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: of the things he was really famous for is that 190 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: he wants. He wants lots of control. Oh yeah, he 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: demands the best possible product. Um. He also is famous 192 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: for supposedly knowing what the consumer wants, even at the 193 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: consumer doesn't know, and that he skates to where the 194 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: puck is going to be right exactly, he he Whatever 195 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: it is that he offers you is what you want, 196 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: whether you know it or not. But Apple decided it 197 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: didn't want jobs around, and new jobs was kind of 198 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: pushed aside for a while, and eventually he left the 199 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: company to go found another company. We don't need to 200 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: get into that because we did a whole podcast about 201 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs. But in the meantime, Apple that made a decision. 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: First of all, they formed an alliance with IBM and Motorola. 203 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: So then you've got Apple, IBM, and Motorola. They called 204 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: the alliance aim A I M. Yeah, it's got a 205 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: message on that and not wrong. That's all instant messenger. 206 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: So anyway, they decided to create this new computing standard 207 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: based on the power PC architecture. UM skip ahead a 208 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: few more years. Okay, so they're working on this. This 209 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: thing doesn't really I mean, it doesn't take off the 210 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: way they wanted to. In n the summer of that year, 211 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Apple starts to license the Mac operating system to other manufacturers, 212 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: hardware manufacturers. Yes, and then um, things kind of fall 213 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: apart for Apple a little bit. Actually, it got it 214 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: got a little crazy because when I started comparing timelines, 215 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: not only were the author Ris Matt Clooners at work, 216 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: other people were taking apart Apple machines and building new 217 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: max like the Mick Mobile, which was a plexiglass portable 218 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: Mac and UH an outbound laptop Bound was named the company. 219 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: And these were all you know in the early two 220 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: mid eighties, but they started to overlap into the late eighties. 221 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: And that's right about the time that had started getting 222 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: crunch time for Apple because they were starting to lose 223 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: some money. Yeah, the Apple was really in bad shape. 224 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: And they ended up purchasing the company that Jobs had founded. 225 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: That and we should go ahead and say that that company, 226 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: the next computing company that just that was that was 227 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: not doing so well either. But they bought the company. 228 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: Jobs was brought on sort of as a consultant. He 229 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: ended up essentially taking taking over again, becoming the interim 230 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: CEO and eventually the CEO of Apple and UH and 231 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: so in September. Um they you know, the power PC 232 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: processors process us, I get CENTRADID by Motorola and then 233 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: Apple says, you know what, we're done with this licensing thing, 234 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: and they buy back the licenses. Yeah. See there they 235 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: were a handful of very popular clones, uh with from 236 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: names like day Star. Motorola had the Star Max. Of 237 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: course they were making the power PC chips, so it 238 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: was certainly easy for them to get ahold of them. 239 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: Power Computing which had a very seriou very favorable opinion 240 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: because they had all these you know, fight back ads 241 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: that were just very popular in the at the time, 242 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: and U Max who made the super Mac and the 243 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: EU Max and and power Computing were sort of the 244 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: last hold overs. They really pushed back against Apple saying 245 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, hey, look we're building a business here, We're 246 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: adding to your market here. What are you crazy? But 247 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: Jobs was saying, you know what, this is not the 248 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: way I envisioned computing, um and I if I can't 249 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: do it my way, it's not gonna get done at all. 250 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: And so he was very much adamant on getting back 251 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: all those licenses and and really dictating why it means 252 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: to you know what a Mac product really means in 253 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: the marketplace. He he wanted to make sure that that 254 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: was his vision and not someone else's. And by his vision, 255 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: we should go ahead and say, of course that he's 256 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily the one who designed all the really pretty 257 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: Mac features, but he certainly um is the one who 258 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: champions them well, and and he is um. He is 259 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: the was the founder of next and next step was 260 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: the operating system ran on those boxes, and that basically 261 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: provides the underpinnings, or at least it did when he 262 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: first came out with OS ten or OS X as 263 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: it appears on boxes UM or all sex as I 264 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: call it, right, UM, So you know it's it's not 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: like they they had him come back just so they 266 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: could have him back. I mean, they actually got some 267 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: very valuable technology out of it and essentially changed the 268 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: way McIntosh computers operate completely, you know, once they incorporated 269 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: those changes. So let's skip ahead now pretty much to 270 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: present day, really to last year, UM, and they're gaining 271 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: market share back and they have beautiful products that people 272 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: like to spend money for. Yeah, so now you get 273 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: to a point where Jobs has has pretty much proven 274 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: his worth to the company once again. I mean, he 275 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: brought it from the brink of bankruptcy back to I 276 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: guess it's most profitable ever really, UM and people are 277 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: more people were buying MAX. I think at one point 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: it reached it about a ten percent share in the market, 279 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: which is pretty phenomenal really when you consider they were 280 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: down below five at the time at the low point. 281 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: So that's that's a lot of computers. That's millions and 282 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: millions of computers. So now we're at a point where 283 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: all the max are again coming only from Apple, all 284 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: the authorized max are coming only from Apple. And now 285 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: we have this other company that popped out of seemingly 286 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: nowhere called side Star p s y s T A 287 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: r UM. This is a Florida based company that claimed 288 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: that what they were going to do was sell a 289 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: low end, a low price computer UM that is going 290 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: to run the Mac OS ten operating system. It was 291 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: not going to be a Mac You were not going 292 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: to buy a Mac computer that was just marked down. 293 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: It was going to be made out of off the 294 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: shelf computer parts but running the Mac OS and UM. Again, 295 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: this is one of those things where you have to 296 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: make sure that your equipment is going to run this 297 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: OS properly because it's designed for a very specific hardware 298 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: set up, and um, you know, without the Apple ROMs, 299 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have sort of a limited experience where you're 300 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: definitely gonna you're definitely gonna have to do some workarounds 301 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: to to be able to get the operating system to 302 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: to perform correctly. Um. And one of the big drawbacks 303 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to the side Star approach is that they have said 304 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: that they are not able to guarantee products support that 305 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: everything's gonna work exactly the way it's supposed to. What 306 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: they're guaranteeing is that you can buy a much cheaper 307 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: computer running the Mac operating system then you would if 308 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you were to go to Apple directly. And I mean 309 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: that might be true. And for for a while people 310 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: were wondering if this was even a real company at all. 311 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: Um I read, uh, I read a report from Charles 312 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: Arthur from The Guardian, and he did some investigative reporting 313 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: and it was it was very uh interesting. He first 314 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: was looking to see where this company was located and 315 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: discovered that the address had changed while he was looking 316 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: for it. The original address was apparently in the middle 317 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: of this suburban area in Florida, and the second address 318 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: was in a more industrial area. So there's that question. Um, 319 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: there's a question of are there other entities behind size 320 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: Star that are really interested in just taking Apple down, 321 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: taking the whole Mac computer down a few notches, um, 322 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and opening it up to make it to make it 323 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: a more open environment, because as Mac Apple is very 324 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: famous for being a very closed environment. Um, it's part 325 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: of what makes them Apple side Star argues that Apple 326 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: has created a monopoly because it's the only you know, 327 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: they're the only ones who offer any equipment that can 328 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: run the Mac os, and therefore it's, uh, it's you know, 329 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a monopoly on that operating system. UM. Apple for its part, 330 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: argues that it holds the copyright and therefore anyone trying 331 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: to to put this software on an unauthorized computer is 332 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: violating their copyright as well as their end user license agreement. 333 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. End user license agreements aren't law. Well, 334 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: it depends on whom you ask. Well, I guess we're 335 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: gonna find out because they're not law. Right now. It's 336 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: funny because when I made that point about copyright earlier 337 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: and how they have to make these decisions based on 338 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: emerging material like this, This really is going to force 339 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: the hand of judges. And I'm suing plural because it's 340 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: going to keep going. You know, as soon as one 341 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: side loses, they're gonna appeal. So this probably is going 342 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: to go high up in the courts, and it's not 343 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: a schedule to go to court until November two thousand nine. 344 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: For their part, I I know that size Star claims, hey, 345 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: we bought the OS off the shelf, therefore we are 346 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: allowed to use it. Apple doesn't seem to find that 347 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: hold much water. No, there end user license agreement specifically 348 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 1: states that you can only use the Mac operating system 349 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: on and on Apple hardware. Well, there you go. So, 350 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: but the question is does is the end user license agreement? 351 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: Is that actually binding? UM? I thought it would be 352 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: interesting to kind of run down a comparison of the 353 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: the product that size Star offers versus a basic iMac 354 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: oh by all means, So here we go. For five 355 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: and ninety nine and nine cents you can buy from 356 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: side Star. The Open three, which runs the Mac OS 357 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: ten Leopard version ten point five, has a two point 358 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: eight giga hurts do duo or dual core processor. Um 359 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: it's got two gigabytes of d d R to eight 360 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: hundred memory. It's got a five hundred gigabyte hard drive. UM, 361 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: it's got a DVD burner, it's got the g E 362 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: Force eight four hundred graphics card. But you don't get 363 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: a keyboard, you don't get a mouse, you don't get 364 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: a monitor. There's no Bluetooth support, there's no FireWire support, 365 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: and there's no wireless support. So those are things you 366 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: do not get with that. Now with an iMac. The 367 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: iMac comes with a two point six six giga Hurts processor. 368 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: It's not as powerful. It comes with two gigabytes of 369 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: d d R three rams, so pretty pretty comparable to 370 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: the Open three three gigabyte hard drives and not as 371 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: much space. UM it's got a DVD burner, but it's 372 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: not as fast as the other DVD burner, the one 373 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: in the Open three. UM, it's gonna it's gonna the 374 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: video g E Force graphics processor, which technically is better 375 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: than the other one. But it also comes with a mouse, keyboard, 376 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: It has the twenty monitor because that's built into the 377 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the iMac UM. And it has wireless 378 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: and a webcam and come with some software and right. 379 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: That one costs twelve hundred dollars, so it's twice as much. 380 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: So the question is if you throw in the monitor, 381 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: the keyboard, the mouse, a webcam, a wireless uh you 382 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: know card, things like that, how much more would the 383 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: Open three be. It'd be a little bit more, and 384 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: it still wouldn't be as expensive as the as the 385 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: the iMac. My question is is it worth trying to 386 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: save a couple hundred bucks when you know you're not 387 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: going to have the support that you would get from Apple. 388 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: There's no guarantee that you will be able to keep 389 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: that machine because there may be a recall in the future. 390 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: I mean, does it make sense to buy one? In 391 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: my opinion, the answer to that is no, thank you 392 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: for listening. No, No, I totally agree with you because, 393 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so you don't want to spend an iMac, 394 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: but you do want an excellent, you know machine that's 395 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: going to be reliable. Well, then by a PC clone 396 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: that comes from a reliable source as an authorized copy 397 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: of Windows on there. That way you can be assured 398 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: that you're going to be okay. I mean, people who 399 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: switched to lennox Um there's some support, but it's not 400 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: you're not paying for support. Um, of course there's a 401 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: very robust community that helps out with that sort of thing. 402 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, if that, you know, makes you a 403 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: little squeamish, then you know you're probably going to opt 404 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: for in general on Windows or a Mac computer. And 405 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, then the the options sort of drop away 406 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: because you start going, well, you know, I just don't 407 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: trust these guys. I don't really know much about them. 408 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: And if Apple doesn't like them, if they're not authorized 409 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and they release an update that bricks my computer, that's 410 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: not good. And I think also that a great deal 411 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: of the appeal of Mac comes in the form factor. 412 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Max are gorgeous machines. There's no getting around it. 413 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: They are beautifully designed. And uh, I'm not so sure 414 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: that that many people would be like, you know, I 415 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: just want that operating system. I don't care if it 416 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: looks boxy, you know. I mean, it's it's a style 417 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: an esthetic question, not just a you know, performance question. Well, 418 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: otherwise Vista and Windows seven wouldn't look like they do, 419 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: and uh, the Ubuntu community wouldn't be working so hard 420 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: on trying to improve the look and feel of its interface. Well, 421 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: it's obviously he's serious. It's not just the interface I'm 422 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: talking about. I'm talking about the actually hardware. I mean, 423 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, you look at an iMac. It's a beautiful machine, 424 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's just and the power box, 425 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: everything that. All of those look very nice, so um 426 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: what they can charge extra for them? I'm thinking that 427 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: size Star may very well be an effort to bring 428 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: down Mac and and less of a viable business model. Right, 429 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: so you're going to conspiracy theory route. I'm not going 430 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: to call it conspiracy, not calling it a conspiracy, but 431 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: but I would not be surprised to learn that the 432 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: ultimate goal of size Star is not to try and 433 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: sell these computers, but rather to try and take down 434 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: Apple's stance of keeping a closed system. Sort of like 435 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: the politicians who have no chance of hades of getting elected, 436 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: but they bring up considerably different issues just to get 437 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: them out there. At least they say similar to that. 438 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: So basically they're not really there to make a buck, 439 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: They're there to raise these issues and get these barriers 440 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: broken down. I would I would not be surprised to 441 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: learn that. I know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but 442 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised to learn that. I'm a 443 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: fan more of the os anyway, So it would be 444 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: nice if it's spread to more people, unless, of course, 445 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: that means that more people right viruses for it, in 446 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: which case never mind. But um, you know, so not 447 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: exactly anti size Star necessarily. I would like to see 448 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: that they, you know, can work things out and maybe 449 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: have some license clones. Again, I don't know that it 450 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: would necessarily be a problem for Apples, which Steve says, 451 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, it depends if jobs is still there. 452 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: I don't see it happening. Well, I just don't think 453 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: of that. I don't think it will happen. But I 454 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: think that's a good discussion on Mac clones, which of 455 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: course rings us around too. Oh listener mail. This listen 456 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: mail comes from Kimberly, who also made a request for 457 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: an episode topic. But we're playing on tackling that in 458 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: the future, so I'm just gonna take the last little 459 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: bit of her email. I really enjoyed the April Fools podcast, 460 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: especially when you mentioned thinking the whole time you were 461 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: talking about their many product gags, I was wondering when 462 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: you'd get to the soundtrack T shirt True to form. 463 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: You guys did mention it. I've had my eye on 464 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: that thing for a while, but being a poor college student, 465 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of on the back burner. Thank you again 466 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: for all the informative podcasts, and I hope there will 467 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: be many more in the future. Kimberly, Well, thanks Kimberly. Um, 468 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: there definitely will being many more in the future. There's 469 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: no way of gainner around that. Uh, And I too 470 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: want to think geek shirt. I asked for it for 471 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: I had that on my Christmas wish list if you 472 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: remember way back when that was on my stocking stuffers. 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Many podcasts Ago, any many podcasts AGO. I have yet 474 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: to receive that, probably because my wife has threatened everyone 475 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: we know with bodily harm should I receive such a gift. Um, 476 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: there's no way. I would not be able to enter 477 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: a room without playing the music from the Good, the Bad, 478 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: and the Ugly. It's just that's the way it is. 479 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: And I'm talking everywhere. I'm talking work too, so I 480 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: would not be popular here either. I would definitely need 481 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: a laugh track, right yeah, yeah, I mean that would 482 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: at least get some last for your jokes. Zing Instant 483 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: rim Shot said trombone. 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