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Speaker 1: I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player Second

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Speaker 2: I got my high school principal with me.

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Speaker 1: Roman Harper was up nothing, man, I appreciate the creativity

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Speaker 1: every time you announce me. Anyways, want to all of

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Speaker 2: Just check us out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apologies for the same outfits we've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: wearing the same clothes for the same interview. We've done

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Speaker 1: this worth the Kansas City Draft right now. So we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna be rolling these out for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. Had a great guest on today, Leroy Butler.

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Speaker 2: I got five of these shirts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, we check out Lori Butler, awesome interview, give

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for our today's guest. I'm really really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to a big fan of him watching. In my

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Speaker 1: whole life growing up, I've actually played the same position

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Speaker 1: as he did.

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Speaker 2: Safety.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me welcome in my partner in crime, Charles

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Speaker 1: pen tellman, I don't even.

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Speaker 2: Care about him. I'm more about.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today, Lee Roy Butler. Let me read down

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Speaker 1: his resume right now. He was the second round pick

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Speaker 1: like myself. I will get to know what number he

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Speaker 1: was exactly when it was in the nineteen ninety draft

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Speaker 1: out of Florida State. He played his entire twelve year

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Speaker 1: career with the Green Bay Pactors. Green team, just say

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why I'm doing the introduction today, all right.

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Speaker 1: And then he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing his gear today.

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Speaker 1: He's also in the Packers Hall of Fame and the

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a difference.

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Speaker 1: And he now is a businessman with his own vodka

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Speaker 1: and a radio and TV podcast host. Our today's guest,

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Speaker 1: Lee Roy Butler, Number.

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Speaker 4: Thirty, guys, this is honor having three dvs on the.

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Speaker 1: Show, right, we all have funny We always get geekd

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Speaker 1: when we get dvs. We do always get geek because

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Speaker 1: we all speak the same language. Yes, that's so, I

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Speaker 1: guess we are one of the ones, one of the

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Speaker 1: ways we kick this thing off, is we all have

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Speaker 1: our welcome to the NFIL moment.

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Speaker 3: I know I got my bell wrong. You know, I

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Speaker 3: got the whole rookie Hazen thing, and you know Ted Wahsington,

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Speaker 3: you know that's a I'll say that for another day.

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Speaker 3: What was your welcome to the NFL moment on the

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Speaker 3: field in nineteen nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety, like football was

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Speaker 2: I want I want the off the field too, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I got a good field. I think

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Speaker 4: that's where I was gonna go. But on the field,

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Speaker 4: it was my rookie year. Was a three day holdout,

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Speaker 4: but it wasn't my fault. But didn't want to you know,

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Speaker 4: like I said, that was second round pick. So I

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Speaker 4: you got grown men in there. Yeah, it's not kids,

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Speaker 4: like we're at college. So I go in there and

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Speaker 4: I just signed my contract. He said, get dressed. So

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Speaker 4: Correct now, I'm pissing my pants to go and God

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Speaker 5: And that's nineteen ninety right, Yes, yes, it's like I

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Speaker 4: I'm the man. I'll cover anybody, not Jared or Taylor.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want nobody, nobody.

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Speaker 1: The first game I ever started was in two thousand

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Speaker 2: That was my first game Raiders careers.

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Speaker 4: I still had to cover j Rice.

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Speaker 1: Now, I thought I did something good. I had like

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Speaker 2: He got all the calls.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just when my coach was my coach came back,

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Speaker 4: But that's j Rice.

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Speaker 2: He gonna get that call every time.

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Speaker 3: Just keep being aggressive, keeping he gonna he gonna get

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I don't think you.

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Speaker 3: I did not know that two Hall of Famers is

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Speaker 4: It's like, welcome a great player the league. I was like,

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Speaker 4: waiting to tell you this a long time okay, because

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Speaker 4: I remember a guy asking me when I was a

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Speaker 4: don't give each other's compliments. I said, man, that's fake

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Speaker 4: wrestling stuff. You you know, you honor a guy that

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Speaker 4: in there eight fifty eight in Florida State. You can

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Speaker 4: come in there at nine fifteen, and you all America, Okay,

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Speaker 4: you're good. I came in there, like read at nine

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Speaker 4: Everybody looked at me. I'm late. I'm looking okay. When

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Speaker 4: So I don't know how it works. I don't. I'm

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Speaker 4: like reading it. I'm like, what was going? Oh, they

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Speaker 4: I said, what why y'all didn't tell me that? He said,

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Speaker 4: isn't one. The veterans tell you. So it was like

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Speaker 4: a and I'm thinking it's just a joke, just a joke.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, they took it right right out your check.

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Speaker 1: I said, never se So nineteen ninety, how much was

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Speaker 1: it how much was a check in nineteen ninety What

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Speaker 4: Can back then, we had checks. You're right, peanut. We

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Speaker 4: didn't have direct deposits, right like some of the millennials now. Now,

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Speaker 4: So my my first one was two hundred and seventy thousand,

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Speaker 4: like maybe ninety eight because they they put some money

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Speaker 4: I got the first check. It's like ninety something thousand.

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Speaker 4: She said, put it away, do things. But it really

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Speaker 4: down because I thought it was a lot. Uh. Brian Noble,

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Speaker 4: He said, don't worry about it. Real you got plenty

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Speaker 4: It was. It was real deal for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now we got to talk about something current and just

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Speaker 2: The people want to know.

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Speaker 1: You're a Green Bay guy. Aaron Rodgers finally being gone

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Speaker 1: and traded.

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Speaker 4: Leg for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I just just I'm just leave

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Speaker 2: What is your opinion on it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna keep it one hundred.

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Speaker 4: I hope you do, because now this is gonna be

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Speaker 4: different from Uh. I played for one team my whole life,

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Speaker 4: other guys, I really do. But with Aaron Rodgers, it

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Speaker 4: seemed like he's not happy. Yeah, because if I was

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Speaker 4: getting a three year, one hundred and fifty million dollar

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Speaker 4: game for yes, and the Packers gave him everything, and

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Speaker 4: But what really it got under my skin was he

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Speaker 4: they gave you everything, even when they got Randall Cobb

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Speaker 4: guys family, They did everything for you, check every box.

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Speaker 4: You still wasn't happy. And then you know, going into

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Speaker 4: can stayed in my basement of fifty thousand. You had

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Speaker 4: to go to Oregon, I mean he can stay down

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Speaker 4: there and brought it and set the phone down there

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Speaker 4: some food, but I had to get the money though, right,

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Speaker 4: But he was never happy and that really bothered me.

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Speaker 4: I'm like this fan base and Pina knows that their owners.

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Speaker 4: We don't have an owner. You have to buy a

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Speaker 4: And it just feels like when they drafted Jordan Love,

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Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, this is it.

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Speaker 4: Love Twitter. What I'm trying to get free tickets. Him

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Speaker 4: The guy says, hello, mister Butler. I said, yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: the next guy. So this year, Jim Porter, who I appreciate.

439
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: He was at my house for two hours before I

440
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 4: knew who he was. He wanted to be all of me.

441
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: They got Charles Woodson to come to my house to

442
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 4: knock on the door. So now they had they'll go

443
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: to the door, or they'll come to your house with

444
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 4: like fifty camera men and women to get your reaction,

445
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: and they'll get one of your teammates to you know,

446
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: tell you and they'll call your wife and your family.

447
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 4: And so every year they've been switching it up the

448
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: last two years. But that's so the way. So if

449
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: you're at your home, your anxiety is coming down, and

450
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: you said, okay, I didn't make it if I got

451
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: a phone call, but at least some home, I didn't

452
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: travel somewhere, so it was pretty cool, you know.

453
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't think I knew the whole

454
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: complete process, especially emotionally. They take you somewhere, they put

455
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: you up, so naturally you're feeling good. But now you're

456
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: behind his closed door and you don't know, and it

457
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of like you're saying, they put you through this

458
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: trauma almost if man, and you're doing this for however

459
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: many years, you've already been waiting sixteen And I'd never

460
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: heard anybody say I've been waiting sixteen years.

461
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: This was amazing.

462
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Most people don't wait for sixteen years and feel amazing

463
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: about the end result. Maybe who you share with us

464
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: is that just you as a person, or they just man,

465
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: you're just happy to be here. You understood that you

466
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: played in Green Bay and that after all this time,

467
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: I actually have the opportunity.

468
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: To do it.

469
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 4: Well a few things. Lee Ramo from the Green Bay Packers,

470
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 4: he was an immediate guy, came by my locker one day.

471
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: He say, man, you made a decade and I ain't

472
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 4: know what that meant. And he put his little readers down.

473
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: He looked over his glasses. You may be in a

474
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: hall of fame one day. I don't know when. So

475
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 4: I never thought a lot about it. And the more

476
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: and more, you know, I retired. My mom two thousand

477
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: and nine. She was like, we should prepare for your speech.

478
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: I said, speech for what She said, you may make

479
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. You got to be prepared. I said, Mom,

480
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: that's too narcissist to to do that. She said, first

481
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 4: of all, I don't know what that means. The second

482
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 4: of all, come, my mom was a comedian. She said,

483
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: just be prepared. And then it just seemed like to

484
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: me that everything started to change when you're a finalist

485
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 4: because now you know it may happen, you really don't

486
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 4: know win. And then I was thinking, Okay, when it happens,

487
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, try not to change. So I put it

488
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: like this guy, and I'll be very honest with you,

489
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 4: just the best way I could put it, because I

490
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: want people to feel what it means to this kind

491
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: of knocked. It's almost as if, because I told my

492
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 4: wife this that you're a young lady. You've been dating

493
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: this young man for fifteen years, sixteen years, and every

494
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 4: day you think he's going to propose to me, but

495
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: he never does. Matter of fact, you go to five

496
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 4: or six weddings and see your girlfriends up there getting married,

497
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: and you're sitting in the audience and it looks like

498
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: you're happening for it, but really you're saying, I hope

499
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: she tripped. I hope her hair piece fall off. I

500
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: hope something bad happened. But you said, oh, she's so beautiful.

501
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: You take people to weddings to get that. Every year

502
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: you get there and it don't happen. But the one

503
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: time you give up on him, I'm done. We got

504
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: three kids, sixteen years and I'm done. You're never gonna

505
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: ask he get all the family together and you come

506
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 4: through and Charles Woodson is knocking at the door. That's

507
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: what it feels like, something that you know was gonna happen.

508
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: You think it should happen. But am I entitled to it?

509
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: No?

510
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 4: But I've been here for so long. I've done all

511
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: these great things. I've gone to bar mitzvazz, I've gone

512
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 4: to like step shows, everything was it. I've been there

513
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 4: for him. He won't give me the ring. Then he

514
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: finally does. It's amazing. It's amazing feeling when you get

515
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: something that you personally think you deserve. But that don't mean.

516
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: That's a great I like how you I like how

517
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: you put that representation.

518
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 2: I do and talking about rings here peanut, don't get jealous.

519
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: You want to sit here, we go with this boat.

520
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Could you talk and.

521
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 4: Share with me? Play in New Orleans.

522
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: I didn't even forget that. Yeah, back and then they're

523
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: like that.

524
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: Was I mean the super Bowl after, the party after

525
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: is probably amazing. Oh my god, So share with me,

526
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: like what it's like to bring a championship back to

527
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: the great fans in Green Bay and how special it is.

528
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you're one of their guys. You're in the

529
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: Ring of one Hunter and all those other things.

530
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: There's nothing.

531
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: Well, he's in the Ring of Honor, but also is

532
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: it the Ring of excellence?

533
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: Semantics.

534
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: Really he's also a part of that one as well.

535
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: It says excellence though not I like this.

536
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: I like this.

537
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: Don't disrespect it.

538
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: Like this, you can't disrespect it. You're correct, both of

539
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: y'all correct.

540
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, y'all correct. So for me, it was

541
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: different because I was the only one there from nineteen

542
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: ninety when we were four and twelve, but it wasn't

543
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: my fault, though they need to get better players. The

544
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: next year were six and ten. It was terrible and great.

545
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna use that in Chicago that one year we

546
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: were nine.

547
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: Nothing to do a great year. But it was getting

548
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: dark at four o'clock to be realistic, So.

549
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: I've been there. It gets dark at four.

550
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: God and my best friend Emms Smith Deon said they're

551
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: winning Super Bowls and I'm like, man, this single never happened.

552
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: But then we got Brett Faire, we got Reggie White,

553
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: and then I remember we beat Carolina nineteen ninety five

554
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: ninety six, and I saw a sign and they said

555
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: thirty years of misery has ended with going to the

556
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. I said, what, I didn't realize that the

557
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: fan base just waited thirty years from the next Super Bowl.

558
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: So that was very impactful. We go to New Orleans

559
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: and Super Dome is huge and it's amazing, and I

560
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 4: saw Luther Vandrosky and he was there. I said, lu,

561
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: I'd have made it God, And then the Blues Brothers

562
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: were like the halftime entertainment. Dan aykro the Lucia and

563
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: these guys. It was a big deal. And I was like,

564
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: this is what I remember being a kid because I'm

565
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: a Cowboy fan growing up. I mean I was a

566
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: huge Cowboy fan. I used to crawl under the bed

567
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: and cry when they lost games.

568
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Like most Cowboy fans do today.

569
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Still yah, yeah, that's true.

570
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: They still do it today.

571
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: Tell you, when I saw rocher Stalback, I almost fainted.

572
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean, so I'm saying now, I'm here as an

573
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: African American from the South, from the projects, crime and

574
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: everything to make it to where And I saw the

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: the Lombardi on the trophy, and I know, Lombardi is

576
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: kind of our thing. Vince Lombardi Lombardi Trophy It was

577
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: very emotional because I thought about that fan base, some

578
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: of dead and some of living for those thirty years,

579
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: thought they would never see it happen. So it was amazing.

580
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: Now we went the following year, but you can google

581
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: the results for that.

582
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back

583
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 6: in a minute.

584
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: So you you talk about, you know, growing up in poverty,

585
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: being poor Florida, What was what was that like when

586
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: obviously you're a heavily recruited kid coming out of high school.

587
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you could have

588
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: went to any college.

589
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I'm envious.

590
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: I didn't.

591
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: I didn't have those skills like you.

592
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: But what was it like when when coach Bolden, uh,

593
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: when he offered you that scholarship.

594
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: You're trying to make me cry, No, I do this,

595
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: my brother don't.

596
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that moment like y'all told

597
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: him to ask me this, No, sir, no, sir, okay,

598
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: professional makes up all of his own questions.

599
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: H If you realized where I was from and what

600
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: I had to go through, I was a consensus all

601
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: American in high school. As you said, everybody know who

602
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: I was. But I got a letter from my teacher

603
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: and she said, you can't go to college. I said why,

604
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: She said, you didn't pass the essay T tests. I said,

605
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: what the hell is the essay T test? Well, you

606
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: got to take that to get into college. I said, well,

607
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: she said you didn't pass that either. So my life

608
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: was over because the only way I thought to get

609
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: out of the project is my mam out of poverty

610
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: is to play in the NFL. So my life was over.

611
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you God, it's good because my

612
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: algebra teacher, mss Gordon, got a letter handwritten from coach

613
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: Bobby Bowden Rest in peace, and he says, tell mister Buller,

614
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: I need to do a home visit. I'm coming to

615
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: see him. Now, think about this. I got letters from

616
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: every college because I was an All American. Every college

617
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: you can come to our school. But when they found

618
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: out I was a prop forty eight that I didn't

619
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: pass SAT, they all never rolle back. It was nothing.

620
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: I got no letters from Florida State, pressed on, and

621
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: then I said to myself, wait a minute, why is

622
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: he coming to see me. He had thirty kids he

623
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: was recruiting, and I bet you twenty five of them

624
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: were all Americans. He could have made a home visit

625
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: to any one of those kids, anyone of them. But

626
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: he says, I'm coming to the projects to see mister Butler.

627
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: And when he drove up and that maroon Buick, I'll

628
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: never forget it was a convoy. Can I remember telling

629
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: Brad Scott, the head recruiter, I said, man, where I live,

630
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: and you can't just be driving down in there now.

631
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: They don't think something up, you know, you can't rolling

632
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: there like u FBI. He said, don't even worry about it.

633
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: And they had police down there and everything. They drive

634
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: up to our apartment and we have a couch. It

635
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: has like a big hole in it, and my sister

636
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 4: got like a two by four to put under the Yeah,

637
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: just sit there, and then she was trying to pull

638
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: the plastic from the love seeking it's smaller over there,

639
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: because she said, if he comes in, you know, it's hot.

640
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: You know, we have nothing for him to drink but water,

641
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: but it got stuff on top of the water and

642
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: the one glass. Then we let my grandma drink out

643
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: of you know, it's clean. Say that for coaching, and

644
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: he walks in. He said, miss Butler, I gotta have it.

645
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: She got all emotional, and I'm thinking, waited, God, wait

646
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 4: a minute, why you pick me to navigate these rough waters?

647
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: To know that I must go to college. Nobody in

648
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: my family has ever been to college. Nobody. I'd be

649
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: the first. And every night I was sleeping, I wake

650
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 4: up in a cold sweat, not from the air conditioning,

651
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: by the way, but saying I'm not gonna make it

652
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 4: cause I didn't pass the test. But when he told

653
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: my mom that changed my life. It made me think

654
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: that this ain't no mistake. That I owe it to

655
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: my family, and I owe it to myself and the

656
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: people that believe in me. Not to get in no trouble,

657
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: not to go break the law, not to be out

658
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 4: smoking and drinking and doing no I used to get

659
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: on the trailways in the Greyhound with my student I

660
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: d with nine dollars just to go back home. And

661
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: I said, I asked him, I said, Coach Bob, why

662
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: you pick me? He said, it was something about you

663
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: that I didn't get from the other guys. You just

664
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: want a chance. I didn't even want to play. I

665
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: didn't have a position. I was a linebacker, you know,

666
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 4: high school, you play everything. It was just athletes. And

667
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: so my freshman year I didn't even play. And I

668
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: remember they went to play Michigan. They were going to

669
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: play Michigan, and the team's buses are leaving to go

670
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 4: play Michigan. That is a big game. They got one

671
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 4: hundred thousand people stadium. It is huge. They're going to

672
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: the airport and I'm waving to the team smiling like

673
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: good luck, guys, and the guys on the bus like,

674
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: what the hell wrong with this guy? Man, this guy,

675
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: you should be upset you're not on the bus. I

676
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: got plenty of times. You just go play. I see

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: y'all next year. I need to go get my books right.

678
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: I got my GP up to a three point ohero.

679
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: I focused in on what it was about. So when

680
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: you asked that question, it changed everything about me to

681
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 4: say that this ain't no mistake, right, and it was.

682
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: It was my sister. She's still crying because she couldn't

683
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: believe it. This coach, you don't understand. Coach Bobby Ball

684
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: was an eye country. He had his own show and

685
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: it come on right after church, because you know, downside,

686
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 4: we go to church two hun the day's a week Okay,

687
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: he missing church and there's a Bobby Ballen show. Now

688
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: he's in the project to see my brother, and so

689
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 4: it was like changing.

690
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: That's so you've had success in well, yeah, you've had

691
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: success in high school, success in college, success.

692
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: In the league, super Bowl champion.

693
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: Now you're a Hall of Famer and you're working on

694
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: this documentary just about your life and just kind of

695
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: the struggles and the success and everything that you've done

696
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: up until this point in your life. Like, what are

697
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: you hoping to get out of that?

698
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: I just want a young lady, young man somewhere to say,

699
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: you know what, it's bad for me, but it can't

700
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: get no worse than mister Bucker and he made it. Yeah,

701
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: he ain't no better than me, right it? And you

702
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 4: don't need money. Because we were popping my first new

703
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: shirt I ever had to I pop a tag. I

704
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 4: always wanted to hear that sound you pop a tag,

705
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: and it never came until I was twelve years old.

706
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: We went to the Salvation Army and they had toys

707
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: over here and they had all this stuff and I

708
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: told my mom, I don't want no toys. I want

709
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: that shirt. It was just a regular white T shirt.

710
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: Sort of like what Peanut has on. Just like I said,

711
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 4: I want that shirt. It wasn't even my size, but

712
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: in my head I wanted to pop that tag. And

713
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: now young lady said, you know what, go get this shirt,

714
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: Go get it, popped it, put it on and it

715
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't even fit me. My sister had to like tie

716
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: it in like a nod and flip it. But to me,

717
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: I say, I want people to say, if you don't

718
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: like a restaurant, start your own. If you don't like

719
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 4: the way somebody's doing something, start your own business. My

720
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 4: grandmother gave me the best compliment. She said, you have

721
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 4: a unique ability because God gave everybody a talent, and

722
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: your talent is you could ignore negative stuff if it

723
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: ain't true, ignore it because once they know that it

724
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: gets her in your skin, you're gonna see it every day.

725
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: And that's what made me say, when people see me

726
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: and they see this document, I ain't never known this

727
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: guy had it this bad? Yeah, and how's he so grounded?

728
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: House He's a normal guy, And that's what it's gonna

729
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: find out. I want to be a normal person, to

730
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: be a leader, not a follower. But if you're going

731
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: to follow, you to write leaders, and to me, it's

732
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: my teachers, our grandparents. My mom is my hero, the

733
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: people I see every day. It wasn't a guy dunek

734
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: to the basketball or playing football. It was my mom

735
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: every day to get on three buses, just a carpool

736
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: to bring food home. And then when food didn't come,

737
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: you go to the food pantry and you stand in

738
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: line and kids are on the bus and cars screaming

739
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 4: and yelling, picking at you because I'm trying to eat.

740
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: And my mom said, why that don't bother you? I said,

741
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: could all those kids go on my autograph? Because I'm

742
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: here to survive, to make it for you, and that's

743
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: what they're gonna get out of it.

744
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: So when does this come out and how can we

745
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: possibly get it?

746
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: It's gonna be by two years because I'm blessed because

747
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: it's hard to find your teachers. I'm fifty four years old,

748
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 4: and I found two of my teachers. Ms. Gordon, who's

749
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: in my Hall of Fame speech, and mister Gracie, my

750
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: ninth grade basketball coach who helped me shoot free throws.

751
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: He said, they're gonna file you, so you got to

752
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: shoot free throws when everybody was gone, I say, oh,

753
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: I'm about to miss the bus. I'll take you. People

754
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 4: don't know coaches do this. So to find the people,

755
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: I need to really put it together. And then the

756
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: last thing, the apartments or projects where I was born

757
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: and grew up, is gone toward now, so it's too

758
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: much crime. They got rid of it. So I would

759
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 4: think my if I had blessing, which is God is good,

760
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, July twenty eighth, will be the premier.

761
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: That's my mom birthday July twenty eighth, because it's about her,

762
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: because she's passed on, but she's still orchestrating my life.

763
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: And it seemed like one of the best compliments I

764
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: got from the filmmaker Patrick Creating. He said, when you

765
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: meet Leroy Butler, it's like his mom standing right behind him.

766
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 4: They think about that. Wherever you at, your mom standing out,

767
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: you're gonna act a certain way, even if you're shooting dice.

768
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: You had to canseay you know, you're okay, Mom, I

769
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: can't do this, can't It don't matter. That was an

770
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: ultimate compliment.

771
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, Larroi, it seems like when I hear you talk,

772
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: how much other people in your life have influenced you.

773
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and it just you know, because.

774
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: You maybe talk about that and how you've passed that

775
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: down to your own children, and like how you're trying

776
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: to influence them, not only them, but everybody else in

777
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: your life. Talked about teachers, you talked about parent you

778
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: talked about coaches, everybody else has really helped influence the

779
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Roy Butler, how are you taking that and moving to

780
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: forward in your life?

781
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: That's another great question because I don't think people realize

782
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: I got my first book and you have. They had

783
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: what you call a book mobile. It's like you're going

784
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: to and buy books. I couldn't afford it, so officer

785
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: friendly that the resource office.

786
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: At the school his n officer friendly.

787
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: We used to call them brown. Yeah, it was offsprinded,

788
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: but then officer brown. So we used to call all

789
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: the resource officer officer friendly. And he said, why ain't

790
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 4: you getting any books? I said, I can't afford it

791
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: because I wouldn't hand me down. My brother wore this. Uh.

792
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: I used to tell them that the kids say, your

793
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: brother wore that two weeks ago. I said, you're wrong.

794
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 4: My brother had it on yesterday and I watched it

795
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 4: out of us thinking and I put it on. I'm

796
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 4: not in school for a fashion show. I'm in school

797
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: to learn from this artest people in the world. But

798
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: he said, come see me tomorrow. I go by there.

799
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: I didn't go on the bus. I just stood outside

800
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: and looked at you get the books. Kids have got books?

801
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: Who can afford it? I got buy his control car.

802
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: He has seven books for me. Put them in the bag.

803
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 4: He bought me a backpack and he gave it to me.

804
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: I said, I can't afford this. He said, I paid

805
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: for him. So my mom when she saw that, she said, you,

806
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: I know you didn't steal these books. I said, no, ma'am.

807
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: Officer Friendly gave it to me Officer Brian. So my

808
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: first book that I own that I didn't have to

809
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: check out of the library and return it was from

810
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: a police officer. And that changed my life. So I

811
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: tell my kids. I have six daughters and a son.

812
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: My son's my favorite. Don't tell my six daughters. Did

813
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: they know? Trust me? You want to be my favorite?

814
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: Work harder my kids. I teach them to be leaders

815
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: in the community, and I teach them whoever helps you

816
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: just put that message out there. And that's what I'm

817
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: a big message board for helping people. And that's what

818
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: I always try to tell my kids, my cousins, my nephews,

819
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: my nieces. You didn't do it alone. Your parents deserve this.

820
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: Your parents help you and try to get them to

821
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: be independent, but really helping people. I don't want to

822
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: be the headline. I want to be the story. Some

823
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: people see the headline, they keep read on swiping. Why

824
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: don't you go back and read, Oh, I got the

825
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: facts of what happened. You just see the headline that

826
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: just rolls people in.

827
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: So your leadership, I mean, you're you're you're real big

828
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: in leadership, and I think that's kind of trans transferred

829
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: into your business. And you previously just said, well, if

830
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: you don't like it, just make one on your own.

831
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: The fact is that that kind of how you came

832
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: up with.

833
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: Great question, man, y'all good?

834
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Because leaf spirits, is that how you came up with that?

835
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: You're good, y'all good. I don't have an Emmy for y'all,

836
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna have to write up something we'll take

837
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: at I'm telling you, that's exactly what I had in

838
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: my head when I got this phone call. Because what

839
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: I'm about to tell you, probably gonna shock you, both

840
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: you and your audience. But I get a call in

841
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: the this right in the pandemic Chad Greenway that played

842
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: for Minnesota. People say exactly, and we just got y yeah, yeah,

843
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: shout out to Van Nest. We just got him from

844
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: Iowa for the UH at the Packers. So I get

845
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: a phone call and Chad said, l Roy, what's up? Man?

846
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 4: I said that man was going on? He said, Man,

847
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: I got a business opportunity. I get a lot of

848
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 4: those phone calls, but sometimes they don't never go nowhere.

849
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 4: He was like, Man, we want to great dut Is

850
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: the company want to start a vodka in Wisconsin. We

851
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: want you to be a part of it. I said, well,

852
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: now know, Chad, I don't drink. He said what I said,

853
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: I don't drink. But every time I drive to the stadium,

854
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 4: I see thousands of people in the parking lot. I'm like,

855
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 4: what the hell are they doing? Won't they just go

856
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: home and just come win the games? They tailgate? So

857
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: I said, you know what, this is what I'll do

858
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: if you can let me name it and be an owner,

859
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: not an ambassador. Because shout out to fifty got a

860
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 4: lot of vodka. I don't drink none of it's for y'all.

861
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he didn't drink, right, exactly, it's

862
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: not your portfolio.

863
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: He got a big one.

864
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: It's portfolio. He kill it right now, preach.

865
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: So I said, well, you know what, let me so

866
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: he's they made a presentation. We're in. I can call

867
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: it lap vodka, and which was amazing, and then it

868
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: was perfect too, could just rep I mean, everything was

869
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: coming on the upswing of getting in the Hall of Fame.

870
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: And then I said, and you know this, we also

871
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 4: know for brons and the state of not sausages, bros

872
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: cheese skirts. Yes, that's our thing. So I started my

873
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: own brock as well. And I because I'm a culinary guy, Uh,

874
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 4: could I do all the cooking in the house seven

875
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: days a week. I tell my wife, I'm gonna cook,

876
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna clean, I'm gonna play the bills, I'm gonna

877
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: do everything. You just keep them damn kids away from me. Okay,

878
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: that's your job, except for my son. It's twelve years old.

879
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: That's my dog. So the business side of that, you

880
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: have to do that because when you're sleeping, you gotta

881
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: make money. And that's what my mom told me. She said,

882
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: I don't need you don't need to be the richest

883
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 4: guy in the world. You just want to be enough

884
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: to where you could pay your bills and have enough

885
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: for the phone calls. I know, both of y'all get

886
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: can you cash out me two hundred? Can you zell

887
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: me zay Ooh? What the hell is that? Can you

888
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 4: vendoo me? These are your kids, your family members, and

889
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: they don't expect you to say no, So you gotta

890
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: have money for that. And you also have to have

891
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: money for the one thing I'll say about Andrew Brandt

892
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: from the Packers, me and him had a conversation. This

893
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 4: is my last big deal, I said, Andrew, I want

894
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: to be rich when I'm old, not when i'm young.

895
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: He said, huh. I said, think about it. You get

896
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: your Social Security in your sixty five or whatever, and

897
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: you can live out your great days when you're young

898
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: throwing money up, got bent Lee's and all that, and

899
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: then when you're in your fifties and sixty you broke.

900
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: I don't want that. I want to have a seven

901
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 4: point fifty to eight hundred credit score. I want to

902
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: have money in the bank when I start to hit

903
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: sixty years old, so that's why I do business opportunities

904
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: like that. So when I hit that ade man, we

905
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: try to get a little roy on the podcast. Man,

906
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: this man golfing and Bermuda. Ain't that a triangle? No,

907
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: he's golfing there by himself with these rich folks. He

908
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: got a yacht. No that. I mean, that's what I

909
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: want when I'm older. And I tell young men that

910
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: now you want to be rich when you hit sixty.

911
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: You can get your pension if you want to, you

912
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: can get all that, but save that money. Save it.

913
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to really floss on them,

914
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 4: go to Claire's and get you some fake jury. They're

915
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: not gonna know.

916
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: Do they expect?

917
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah them real Domino, they ain't. But you save your

918
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: money when you're older, not when you're younger.

919
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: All right, yea, So we're gonna we're gonna pivot. We're

920
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna hit hit you with some quick hitters, real quick.

921
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: Okay.

922
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: I think I know the answer to this.

923
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: I better take a drink on them.

924
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, because you answer to this.

925
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: I think I know what it is. But what do

926
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 3: you think your greatest sports accomplishment.

927
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: Is Oh, my greatest sportsccomplishment.

928
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: Watch him say, like high school basketball.

929
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: I should say that throwman. Now I say that I.

930
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 5: Was great pe when I need dollars, I was All

931
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 5: Conference at basketball.

932
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Now I'm one of the greatest shooters of all time. Me,

933
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: Regie Miller, Michael rid Steph Curry were all in the

934
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 4: same thing. But I put that to the side. Now,

935
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: Michael Ridd, I got Michael Red the Bucks. Yeah, it's

936
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: had to get people name they can google. But I

937
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 4: think the greatest accomplishment that I wake up as I'm

938
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 4: in all the state of Florida picked thirty three players

939
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 4: for one hundred years and I was on that team.

940
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that blew my mind. That's big. That blew

941
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: my mind, especially the.

942
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: State of Florida.

943
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: They got some some balls.

944
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 4: To this day, I still don't even believe it. So

945
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: that that that's probably my biggest accomplishment. I would say,

946
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: if I could pick one play, if.

947
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: You don't mind, go Pleat the Super Bowl.

948
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: Playing the Super Bowl, I go over to the coach.

949
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 4: I said, hey, I ain't blitched yet and we're in

950
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: the third quarter. Was happ't it? I mean, what my

951
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: family sitting up there too. He said, what are you

952
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 4: talking about? I said, man. He said, okay, if they

953
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: get split backs with Dave Maggott away from Reggie, you

954
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: can go. I said, you sure, yes, but you know

955
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: you got to tell your safety, which was Eugene Robinson.

956
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 4: I said, Eugene, if they give me a split bag

957
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: or the back offset to my side, I'm gone. I'm

958
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 4: gonna translate that means I'm blitzing.

959
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: Appreciate lady us don't know that.

960
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: I'm gone, because both of y'all know. When I say

961
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 4: I'm gone, ain't no coming back. I don't care if

962
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: he's motion, I'm gone. And I got the formation, so

963
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: I gino. He'said, okay, Rod, he just got a little

964
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: deeper because I got covered. Swim from a cover four

965
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 4: til I'm gone, So weak side it's a hole there, yeah,

966
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 4: and shout out that Drew Blad So that's my guy.

967
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Drew, but going there and Maggot comes and

968
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: he didn't cut me. I say, it's gonna cut me.

969
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: Didn't cut me, so I went through him. I had

970
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: the leverage, and I saw Blodsoul's name, and this would

971
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: be allegedly a horse callar now, but don't go look

972
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: at it, not.

973
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: Inside the pocket.

974
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, Thank you Roman, smart guy got

975
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: you grab him. I sacked him and I did some

976
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: weird dance. Forget about that part. When I got to

977
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: the bench, one of the interns came to me and say,

978
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 4: you know what, eighty million people probably saw that place,

979
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: and that's the one I wake up, and I say,

980
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: cause I got a picture of it on my wall,

981
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: and every me and my son eating breakfast, it's like

982
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: rapped behind we kind of look at it. What you

983
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 4: can do when you study and when you you know,

984
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: how did that that formation even run a slant? I'm

985
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: gone ready for the moment. He's to do it all

986
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: the time. And you know how you when you squat

987
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: and there it is only saftists can know that what

988
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: it was that play, that that was the preparation.

989
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: My question is your top five defensive players all time?

990
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 4: Top five defensive players. Yes, it's some bias now, Reggie

991
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: White love that. Reggie White to me changed the game

992
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: because I never knew they can slide the line to

993
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: a guy. I thought they just max protect, but they

994
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 4: would slide the line to Reggie Lawrence Taylor to me,

995
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 4: is a difference maker because he told you what he

996
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: was going to do and he would do it.

997
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: And do you have an example where you heard him

998
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: say something and he went out.

999
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: There and did it. Oh, whenever Lawrence Taylor. See to

1000
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor playing Dallas Philly in his division, that's when

1001
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: I used to watch. I gotta see this playing Washington,

1002
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 4: I mean, and then they used to have them micd

1003
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: up back in the day. Yeah, and I forgot who

1004
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: he's sacked. He said, son, this is gonna happen all day.

1005
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: That was against the Philadelphia Eagles.

1006
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: I remember that player on the NFL films he sacked

1007
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: and was like, I looked at him.

1008
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: Like, son, Yeah, I actually wanted two dollars from a

1009
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 4: golf bet. But that's my guy. He's fine. Reggae, White

1010
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 4: fifty six and Deon Sanders to me is he taught

1011
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 4: me about branding long before branding was a thing. When

1012
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: he was at Florida State. He has to say, I'm

1013
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: the best corner, and I think I was like a

1014
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 4: sophomore agin. If they kicked the ball to me, it's

1015
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: a touchdown. I mean. So he was just transcending. I

1016
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 4: don't think ever see another Dion Sanders Deion sand argue

1017
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 4: that could be the best player of all time. So

1018
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 4: those three and then this next guy. I get emotional

1019
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: saying them because he can be arguably the best. Ronnie Lot,

1020
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 4: there's not another safety to me that made a difference

1021
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: to run a Lot and to boot. He's a nice guy,

1022
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: but he played so mean. He used to run through people. Yes,

1023
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: he never dropped the pick. I said, let me see

1024
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 4: your fingers. He said, wow, he said let me see

1025
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 4: because one of them I heard he cut his finger

1026
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 4: off and I'm like, let me see, come on, and

1027
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: he so he was. That guy was amazing man. Ronnie

1028
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: Lot and this other guy the reason why I think

1029
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 4: he should be. He's in my top five. I mean,

1030
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: you're gonna forget a lot of people. But Darryl Green

1031
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: is so fast because people his size ain't supposed to

1032
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: do that.

1033
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Great point.

1034
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: I tell people all the time it ain't about size

1035
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 4: and height, weight, it's if you can play. And twenty

1036
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 4: eight to me was amazing. So Dahn, that's my five.

1037
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: I love it.

1038
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: I like it too.

1039
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: Hey man, that's an amazing answer, dope answer.

1040
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: I love it. You.

1041
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the show. We appreciate a pleasure.

1042
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: This is a pleasure. You blessed us. Truly, you have

1043
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: not disappointed. You brought us it first of all, and

1044
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: we just all got it.

1045
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: Let's got to keep it one hundred.

1046
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: This is the first time twenty one Savage has been

1047
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: referenced on this podcast. We also had a drake drop

1048
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: and I've never heard anybody compliment Michael Jordan's baldhead like you.

1049
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: Have, so hey man, but Gold James is the greatest

1050
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: of all time. That's right.

1051
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. You know, with every show

1052
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: we do, in every guest we have, we try to

1053
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: make it very authentic and just be vulnerable and open

1054
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,319
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1055
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,239
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1056
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,520
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1057
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,760
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1058
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