1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: We're back. Welcome back to Cardinal territory. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: I'm Katie Wu. He's Trevor Rosenthal. We have officially reached 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: the dog days of spring. I feel like we've lived 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: the same day out here in Jupiter for the last 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: thirty days. But some good news is on the horizon. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: There are less than two weeks left of spring training, 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: less than three weeks until opening day, and camp. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Is about to heat up. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: From a position battle standpoint, the next week and a 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: half two weeks of games, they're gonna matter a lot 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: in terms of player performance, and the Cardinals certainly have 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: a lot to figure out in that regard. 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: Trevor, how are you? What do you think of camp 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: so far? 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: What's up, Katie? I'm doing good. 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 4: I feel like this is the time of camp where 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 4: I agree it's getting a little anxious to get the 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 4: season started. This might be the time of year where 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 4: I'm like looking over, you know, across the clubhouse. If 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 4: you're in the clubhouse, Kate, But like Katie, you need 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 4: a nickname, Mike, you have a nickname. We need to 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: come up with one, you know, just looking for some 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: creative things to get through these last couple of weeks. 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, It definitely feels that way and some of these 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: some of these guys have been here, like there's you know, 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: who's competing for a spot and who's not, who's eventually 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: going to be cut, and then there's the middle ground, 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: and that's what we as baseball enthusiasts are really latching onto. 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: Like the pressing questions for the Cardinals over the last 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: two weeks of spring, there are a ton of position 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: battles center field. Who've talked about that all spring long. 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Is it going to be Victor Scott the second or 33 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: Michael Siani the bench is still yet to be determined. 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Do you know that there's going to be some combination of. 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: Ivon Herrera and Pedro Pajz So whoever is not the 36 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: starting catcher that's going to take a roll off the 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: bench super utility. There are three guys in camp right now, 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Jose for me, Jose Brero and Michael Herman. Hellman, I 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: got three brain cells today, so everyone that is watching 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: just just bear with me. And then you have a 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: bunch of pitching battles and that's where I think we 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: should start today. Trevor, you being a pitcher and all 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: of that, let's talk with the rotation. 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Coming into camp, was. 45 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Under the impression that it'd be a battle for the 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: fifth spot between Steven Matts and Andre Polante. 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: That has changed. Enter Michael McGreevey and Matthew. 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: Libertoor, who, as we know, came up through the Cardinals 49 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: starting or the Cardinals farm system as a starting pitcher. 50 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Bounced around a lot between roles. 51 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: He was in the rotation, he was in relief, he 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: was in Memphis, he was in Saint Louis. Really figured 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: things out for himself in the second half of last 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: season as a multi ending reliever. But he's looked really 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: good this spring. His stuff has played up and now 56 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: he is back in the rotation. Mix Suddy Gray, Eric Fetni, Miles, Michaelis. 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: Those guys are locks for the rotation, which essentially means 58 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: there are four guys competing for two spots right now. Trevor, 59 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: how do you think this is going to shake out? 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree. 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: McGreevey's looked really good. I think it's interesting. I've been 62 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: listening to the guys on the Deal in the Cards 63 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 4: podcast for a few months. How they can keep calling. Yeah, 64 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: shout out to those guys. They do a great job. 65 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: They're there's a lot of fun. But they've been calling 66 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: for Eric Fetti to get traded for for a while, 67 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: and uh, I think there's a good, even a better 68 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: case for that when you when you look at somebody 69 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 4: like Michael McGreevy and ideally, I mean, you would like 70 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: to have him get some opportunity at the major league 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: level this year, And I don't think that that's gonna 72 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: happen out of the gate. I think he's a guy 73 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 4: that starts in triple A because of Gray and Fetti 74 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: and michaelis uh being anchors in that rotation. 75 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: And then and then you know you, I think. 76 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: Libertor, I think he's gonna be a guy well all 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: back up. I think Polonte first of all, first and foremost. 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be that fourth guy. And then 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: when we look at the fifth spot in the rotation, 80 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: I think what I'm seeing, uh, with with how they've 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: been playing this out so far, with Liberator not getting 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: any starts and coming in and kind of piggybacking, it's 83 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: like a It's like a hybrid six man rotation. 84 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: And I like this. 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: I like it even more if if libertoor was getting 86 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: starts and they were picking piggybacking Matts with him in 87 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: his starts, and and and for a few reasons, but 88 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: mainly because of Matt's health, I think it should be 89 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: a priority to keep him healthy and maybe limits his 90 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: usage at the beginning of the season. But combining those 91 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: two guys together, especially in the beginning, would give us 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: an opportunity to see how it all shakes out. 93 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: I don't know that. That's kind of what I'm thinking, 94 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: What do you what do you got, Katie? 95 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 2: So let's let's backtrack a little bit with Eric Fetty 96 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: and Stephen Matts and if they're legitimate trade candidates. I 97 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: think the Cardinals been trying to trade Matts for a while. 98 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: There just hasn't been a market for him. If there was, 99 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: I don't think he would be here still. And it's 100 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: complicated things a little bit just in terms of, you know, 101 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: the runway, the opportunity, all of our favorite words of 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: spring and if that exists in the rotation or not. 103 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: But as I'm looking at how this is going to 104 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: pan out for the Cardinals, I don't see them trading 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Eric Fetty. 106 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: He's making seven point five million dollars. That is a steal. 107 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: It's a downright steal for a middle rotation guy. Is 108 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: Eric Betty gonna be an ace? 109 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: No? 110 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: Is he going to be a serviceable major league starting 111 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: pitcher on almost any rotation that's not the Dodgers or 112 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: the Phillies. Yes, and that he's being paid seven point 113 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: five million dollars. The Cardinals are not going to trade that, 114 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: you know, for multitude of reasons currently, but the biggest 115 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: one being they really don't have a lot of depth 116 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: outside the names we just mentioned, and that's not including 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: Matthew libertoor who could still be used as a reliever 118 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: similar to last year, they're just also considering him in 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: the starting role. If Camp broke today, the five that 120 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals would go with are Sunny Gray, 121 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: Eric Fetty, Miles Michaelis, Andre Polante, Stephen Mattz. Now, before 122 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: you start booing me, just hear me out and let 123 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: me also clarify that's not the five I would go with, 124 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: But coming from just the conversations that I've had in 125 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: camp and talking to multiple people in the organization, if 126 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: Camp broke today, that's what I think they would end 127 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: up doing. 128 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: The Cardinals. 129 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: Again, let's go back to the depth thing. If you 130 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: look at their pictures in Triple A. If it's not 131 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: Mike McGreevy and Triple A, who's ready, Who's major lely 132 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: ready right now? Sema Versa not really. Quinn Matthews is 133 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: a guy, but he's not ready for the big leagues. 134 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: Tank Hens is not ready for the big leagues. To 135 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: Cole Roby looks great, but he has not posted more 136 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: than forty innings in the last two years. He's had 137 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: back to back injury seasons in the last two years. 138 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: Staying healthy is going to be the top priority for him. 139 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: And what you do not want to do, what the 140 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: Cardinals have done for a very long time, is rush 141 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: these young pictures up to the majors when they're not ready, 142 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: because these guys are going to be instrumental in this 143 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: transition period. So as much as I don't don't like this, 144 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 2: I'm a Michael McGreevey Stan. I think he's looked great 145 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: this spring. I think he deserves a chance to compete 146 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: in the starting five. 147 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think he would. 148 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: Start in Triple A now is he going to be 149 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: the first one up out of if there's ever an injury? 150 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: Injuries are unfortunate, but they aren't inevitable like they're going 151 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: to happen. Yeah, I think we seem agree to you immediately. 152 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: But if the Cardinals don't have Matts in the rotation, 153 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: he goes to relief because you can't send him down, 154 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, you're short that very 155 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: critical triple A depth. That's where I'm out starting five. 156 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: It's not a popular answer. Fans aren't gonna like it, 157 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: but I think from an organization standpoint, it's probably what 158 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: you have to do to ensure that you actually have 159 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: people that are going to cover those innings, especially with 160 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: Drew Rahm and Zach Thompson down with injuries right now. 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Uh, when I'm listening to you talk, 162 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like even I don't even think it's 163 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: so much like the dog days or the monotony of 164 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: spring training at this point. I think for fans it's 165 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 4: almost like, all right, let's rip this band aid off, 166 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: Like let's let's get this season going. And uh, we 167 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: know there's a lot of questions, but let's just let's 168 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: just get it over with, you know. We want to 169 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: all these questions the the runway, the transition, whatever it is. 170 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: How who's going to get the work in uh and 171 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: who who are you know? When are we going to 172 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: see what we got? We just kind I don't want 173 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: to get it rolling. But of course we've got a 174 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: few more weeks. The starting pitchers, in particular, if only 175 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: thrown what three out or three innings max so far? 176 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: So they still they still need a couple. 177 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they need some time to get built up to 178 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: that five to six inning mark. 179 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 180 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: I think we'll see Miles who pitches up Wednesday, he'll 181 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: he'll hit five, and Matt's slid to go Thursday he'll 182 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: hit five as well. Polante, I believe is the Friday 183 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: night game in Port Saint Luci and mcgreeby coming in 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: behind him, but still very much a competition. What I 185 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: just said, those five names could change Matthew Libertor again 186 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: the stuff goes up. So I had some conversations about 187 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: why Libby was stretched out as a starter, given how 188 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: successful he was as a reliever last year, and it 189 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: made sense from the obvious standpoints. It's easier to cut 190 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: innings back rather than ramp them up in a short 191 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: period of time. That's a recipe for injury. Can't have 192 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: that with someone as valuable as Matthew Libertor. The Cardinals 193 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: also found out and figured out in conversations with him 194 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: that Libertor likes to be stretched out this spring or 195 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: in spring because it allows him to have better feel 196 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 2: for his pitches, uses arsenal more and he feels like 197 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: he's more effective to start the year because he's had 198 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: more opportunities to throw the ball. Obviously, as a starting pitcher, 199 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: you're going to have more innings than a relief pitcher 200 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: in spring training. So it was kind of a twofold thing, 201 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: but both parties didn't really expect to see, at least 202 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: to this degree, was just how much Libby stuff has 203 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: played up this year. 204 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: He looks like a really convinced, commanding pitcher and. 205 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: Maybe that stems from the season he had in twenty 206 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: four and building off that confidence. But I mean, he 207 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: has been lights out. He got roughed up a little 208 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: bit yesterday, but you know, Mac Libatorre is not a 209 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: guy that really gives up that many consecutive ground balls, 210 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like repuatability if that aspect is not 211 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: a concern at least to me. 212 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: So he's forcing a difficult conversation. 213 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: Do I ultimately think that the Cardinals are probably going 214 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: to put him back in the bullpen. Yes, but I 215 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: can also see them wayne what we just talked about 216 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: with the depth and the McGreevy thing. If yeah, if 217 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: you have McGreevy, let's say, in Triple A, but nobody 218 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: behind him, do you need to think about a team 219 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: like the Milwaukee Brewers who were decimated injuries. The Los 220 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: Angeles daughter is decimated by pitching injuries, but they consistently 221 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: had people in the tank ready to go. The Cardinals 222 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: have not had that for years and they still don't 223 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: have that now. They're trying to fix that, but this 224 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: is something that's going to take I think years to 225 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: really come to fruition. So that's another thing to consider 226 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: with libertor is. Yeah, he's earned every right to be 227 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: on the major league roster. He, in my opinion, is 228 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: someone that is valuable that you build around your opening 229 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: day roster. 230 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But do. 231 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: The Cardinals need to protect themselves and make some hard 232 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: decision when it comes to Triple A depth? 233 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the bigger conversation here. 234 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's pitching is so important, there's no I mean, 235 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: we've seen it this spring training. A lot of injuries. 236 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: Cardinals been fortunate, not too many on the pitching side 237 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: so far, so knock on wood, keep that going. But yeah, 238 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 4: you can never have too much pitching, and when it's 239 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: limited to begin with, you got to be. 240 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: Really careful about who you're shipping out. I mean, there 241 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: are some guys, right, like, there's some free agents still 242 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: out there. What do you think. 243 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm surprised, like Kyle Gibson, Lancelen these guys 244 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: haven't signed. 245 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: Oh one of them has to be a Yankee any 246 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: day now, right. I mean, look, Cardinals fans, it could 247 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: be worse. You could have had a week like the 248 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: New York Yankees. Just that is brutal. 249 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Garrett Cole news, that just sucks. You hate 250 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: to see that, You hate to see it. 251 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird time in Cardinals camp. And something 252 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: to remember myself included when we're projecting this openated roster 253 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: for this transition period, is that what's going on in 254 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: TRIPAA matters just as much with the big league club. 255 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: So that's that's fun. 256 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: That's also going to matter when we look when the 257 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Cardinals look at planning their bullpen, which this is your 258 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: bread and butter, Trevor. 259 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: You know all about relief pitchers. Who's in, Who's out. 260 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: The Cardinals bullpen last year was one of the best 261 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: in baseball. They were super effective. 262 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals played in one hundred and seven 263 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: games out of one hundred and sixty two that were 264 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: decided by three runs or fewer, and they had a 265 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: winning percentage of five to sixty one percent in those games. 266 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,239 Speaker 1: That was the second best market all of baseball. 267 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: The reason they were able to do that was because 268 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: they had a lockdown latter half of that bullpen. You're 269 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: thinking about Jojo Romero, Andrew Kittridge, Ryan Helsley, of course, 270 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: and then guys like libertore and Ryan Fernandez stepping up 271 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: and shining in those key roles in the mid innings. 272 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: The Cardinals are now tasked with replicating that same success 273 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: last year minus Kittridge, which is a pretty significant blow, 274 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: and they're going to do that all internally. So let's 275 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: go through who's definitely in the bullpen. Ryan Hel's us 276 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 2: a closer. We know that Jojo Romero is going to 277 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: return to the setup man role from the left hand side. 278 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: Ryan Fernandez is under consideration for the setup man role. 279 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: His exact role has yet to be determined, but he's 280 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: going to be in the bullpen. John King he'll be 281 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: in there as well. That's a guy where you know, 282 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: everyone has a role. You need a guy that can 283 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: come in if you're down two in the seventh innen 284 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: and keep you down to and John King has proven 285 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: that he can do that again and again. So those 286 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: are four out of eight. Matthew Libertor again, maybe he's 287 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: in there, maybe he's not. So there are let's say 288 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: three to four spots up for grabs from for the bullpen, 289 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: and there are six right handers kind of all in 290 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: one unit that the Cardinals are looking at. We'll go, well, 291 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: let's name him Gordon and grissefo Nick Anderson, Rodery Munoz, 292 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: Chris Roycroft, Riley O'Brien, and Kyle Lahey. This is a 293 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: very competitive area of the roster. It's going to come 294 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: down to performance. Allie Marmal said it today. I was 295 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: talking to him pregame. He said, performance matters, effectiveness matters. 296 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: We're going to be evaluating on if guys are getting 297 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: out the way they're supposed to. If you're a ground 298 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: ball guy, are you getting the balls on the ground 299 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: if you're a swinging miss guy, are you missing bats? 300 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: Performance is going to matter in this element of roster 301 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: making decision more than anything. Trevor, what's you read on 302 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: the bullpen right now? 303 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Well? 304 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: You said group of right here? Nick Anderson's lefty? Correct? 305 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: No, that thing he's right handed. 306 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: Oh he's right handed. Oh my bad, I'm why I 307 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 4: have to take it. 308 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: Well. 309 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: Shout out to Ryan Helsley. Katie, we missed you on 310 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: the last episode. We took over right now. 311 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: Everybody loves Katie wou but shot, he's a stud that 312 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: was so fun to get a I thought, I thought 313 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: he did a great job and gave us a little 314 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: bit of an inside to to who he is, the 315 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: guy behind the intimidating walkout song and the lights flashing. 316 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: But I mean it's tough. 317 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: I mentioned Nick Anderson because I think he's a guy 318 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: he's done. 319 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: He's done pretty good this spring. 320 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: His last outing was was really nice, and I think 321 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: he just brings a level of veterans stability. 322 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: I you know, I'm speaking from experience. 323 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: It's it was always nice when you had a guy 324 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: that had been around to come in and be a 325 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: part of that squad, especially early in the season, and 326 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: a lot of these other guys are young, and I 327 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: think keeping him in the mix brings a level of 328 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: of just confidence, confidence experience to that to that unit. 329 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 4: So I would I have to strongly consider him. Who 330 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: that ends up leaving out? I'm not sure. I Mean, 331 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: the good thing about this bullpen in general is that 332 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: outside of really like Jojo Romero and Ryan Helsley, everybody 333 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: has options. So everybody, you know, we can move around 334 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: a lot of pieces. What what are you thinking as 335 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 4: as I'm kind of talking about Anderson? I mean, what's 336 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: your opinion on that? How do you see that playing 337 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: into this decision? 338 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Anderson is a big one for me because it's not 339 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: just about how he profiles in with this club. And 340 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: I totally agree with you about the veteran presence, and 341 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: that's something that John Mozelock has had an affinity for 342 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: in years past. He likes the guy that's been through 343 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: some adversity can be that veteran component next to Hellsley. 344 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: We talked about this with maybe Stephen Mattz, right, but 345 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: Nick Anderson is going to be under consideration for contractual issues, 346 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: not issues, but things to consider as well. 347 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: He has what's called I just learned this phrase. 348 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: Today, upward mobility clause. 349 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: Yes, it is a very rare thing when you're talking 350 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: about minor league contracts. Essentially, it's a clause in your 351 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: contract that allows you to continue negotiating and talking with 352 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: other teams for another spot on their major league roster. 353 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: So if the Cardinals don't have Nick Anderson on their 354 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: major league roster, they're most likely going to lose him. 355 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: If he does make the major league roster, he's a 356 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: non roster invite, so that's going to cost you a 357 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: forty man spot, and he's going to make one point 358 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: one million dollars. Now that's not a lot of money 359 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: in baseball Land, but the Cardinals haven't spent it all, 360 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: so we have to keep that in perspective too. That's 361 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: one thing to consider with Nick Anderson. But if I'm 362 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: looking at the group as a whole, who has stood 363 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: out to me from a performance standpoint, there is one 364 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: guy clear in a way that separated himself from that pack, 365 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: and that's Chris Roycroft. He has looked really good this 366 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: spring Salmon Sunday against the Yankees. Two punch outs, three 367 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: punch outs, excuse. 368 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Me, looked really good. The stuff is up. 369 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: He has more similar with Liberatoire, really more confidence, more control. 370 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: And he's been a name that people are excited about. 371 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: I could see penciling him in that opening day rotation 372 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: or a fullpen excuse me, if it's Franda today, I 373 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: think he'd be right in there. I would love to 374 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: see what Gordon Gricefo looks like as a true reliever. 375 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: Some of it is going to be depth, you know, 376 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: could they do they need more depth than triple A. 377 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: I don't really know if they're looking at Gricepho for that, 378 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: but it's something they have to consider. They think his 379 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: stuff is going to play up more in shorter stints. 380 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: The velo has, the command has. What has not gone 381 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: well for Grosefo is the results in the box score. Now, 382 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: spring training stats are spring training stats, and a lot 383 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: of times guys are working on sequences, they're throwing pitches 384 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: in ways that they would not do. So you know this, Trevor, like, 385 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: how many times in spring did you just go out 386 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: with a ridiculous sequence just because you were trying to 387 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: get all the fields for your pitches. 388 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: Yeah it's yeah, it's a fun time to try things out. 389 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: But I mean, I think I like grise Efo. I 390 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: think he looks really good and the biggest thing that 391 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 4: I like about about him is, yeah, the box score 392 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: hasn't been great. He's you know, giving up some some 393 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: hard hit balls. Some hits have fallen. He's given up 394 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: some runs, but he he's not far away like it's 395 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 4: not like he's not commanding the zone and putting guys 396 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 4: on base, giving free passes all the time. 397 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: So he and he's got great stuff. 398 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: I would like to see him get an opportunity to start, 399 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: But I agree Roycroft has looked excellent as well, and 400 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: that might those two guys. 401 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: Might edge out my guy, my guy O'Brien. I'm not sure. 402 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still high on him, but with the 403 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: competitiveness that we're having in camp, it might be hard 404 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 4: for him to break in to the roster to begin 405 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: the season. 406 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't really seen o brian in a lot 407 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: of games lately, so they got to get him in there. 408 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: We got to keep him fresh. Another guy that we're 409 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: not talking about enough. Every spring there's a reliever that 410 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: comes in out of nowhere that no one is really 411 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: paying attention to, and all of a sudden, we're talking 412 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: about that's Roger Munios. 413 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: He did not farewell on Tuesday. 414 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: Two homers at Roger Dean not a good day for 415 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: the pitching staff for the same as Cardinals. 416 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: But he's a big arm. 417 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: He was a starter for Miami last year, and the 418 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: Cardinals are really intrigued with what he can do with 419 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: a you know, a shorter window, shorter innings. 420 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: He has a six pitch arsenal. 421 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: Now the key is using that arsenal as a reliever 422 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: instead of a starter, which means finding your two or 423 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 2: three pitches that are your strongest, using them more, and 424 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: mixing in your secondary pitches when necessary to keep hitters 425 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: off balanced. So that's they're working on pitch mix along 426 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: with just trying to learn this new arm as well. 427 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see think that he'll make the opening 428 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: day roster, but he's definitely someone that I expect to 429 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: impact the big league club at some point this year. 430 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: I think lay he is a sneaky pick to crack 431 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: this roster as well. He has pitches from both sides, 432 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: like he can get right handers left handers out. 433 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: He's not super splitty. 434 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: I actually think he pitched better against lefties last year, 435 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: and he added a sinker. He's really adaptable to game situations, 436 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: and I think you need a guy like Lahy from 437 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: the right side, similar to what King did, keep games 438 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: that you're losing in control. If there's a big difference 439 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: between being down two and the six being down four 440 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: in the eighth, So you need guys that aren't necessarily 441 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: high leverage guys to be in the lower half of 442 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: the bullpen. But their role is just as important. 443 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: There one hundred percent. 444 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: So I mean, from what I hear hearing you say, 445 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 4: you're going to go ahead and pencil and Roycroft probably 446 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 4: pencil in Lahy, and. 447 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe Gersepho and Anderson. 448 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Gersephone Anderson, but that'd be nine right if. 449 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: We have liberatory, I mean have to be one of 450 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: the two. 451 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it kind of come down between Gersepho Anderson. 452 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: Yep. 453 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 3: That's a tough one. 454 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: Tough. 455 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: That's why these decisions performances are really going to impact 456 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: a lot. 457 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: But you are right what you said about the options. 458 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Roy Croft and I believe O'Brien have to don't pullt 459 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: me on that one. 460 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: I know Roquat has two. Everyone else has one, including 461 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 2: John King, So there is some flexibility there. Bullpens are 462 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: always kind of a carousel, revolving door. I expect the 463 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: Cardinals to use that to their strength. The only one 464 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: with limitations, like we said, is Anderson. 465 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 4: I thought Minos was a nice pickup from Miami. Miami 466 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: must have had something on it today to I mean, 467 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: they gave him up and then they're just I mean 468 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: he's throwing fuzzballs, he's a big body, and they're just 469 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: they had no problem pitting it over the fence. 470 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on there. 471 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: I do wonder why the Marlins didn't try him in 472 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: relief either. I mean, they're not really doing much of 473 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: anything so much. What could have hurt to try. That's 474 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: kind of a weird thing for him to just be 475 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: on waivers. So we'll see the Cardinals think they found 476 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: something there. I do know that from a pitching standpoint, 477 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: it's going to be an incredibly competitive I think there 478 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: are thirteen games on the dock at starting Wednesday, including 479 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: the one a Membus, so there is time. You'll see 480 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: these guys probably one or two more times, and then 481 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: big decisions to be made. 482 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: Before March twenty seventh. 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Most notably, 514 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: Molina was hired at the winter meetings in twenty twenty 515 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: three to be a special advisor to the team in 516 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four under JOm Mozilok, and then he did 517 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: not show up to a single Cardinals event in twenty 518 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: twenty four, leading fans to wonder where the heck is 519 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 2: YACHTI So I think Yachty understood why there was some 520 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: fan concern and honestly some fan frustration about him not 521 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: showing up. He was supposed to under his role come 522 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: to spring training mentor some of the young cat He 523 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: didn't do that last year. He's not going to make 524 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: the spring training this year. His rationale this year, though, 525 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: I think we can understand. His son, Yanu, is sixteen 526 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: years old. He's uncommitted playing high school baseball in his 527 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: junior season in Austin, Texas. Yati actually moved his family, 528 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: his wife, Wanda, and their three children from Puerto Rico 529 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: to Austin because it was just a better opportunity for 530 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: Yanu to play baseball. And he's in the crowd every 531 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: single game Thursday through Sunday. You cannot reach him. He 532 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: is locked in on Yanu. 533 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But he did say in. 534 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: This conversation was about thirty minutes long, he said that 535 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: just because he's having so much fun as a baseball dad, 536 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: he's still thinking about Saint Louis all the time, and 537 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: he wants to come back to the city when the 538 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: time is right. He wants to be there at events. 539 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: He wants to mentor, he wants to coach, and of 540 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: course Trevor, he still wants to manage. You can read 541 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: the story, the full story on the Athletic. He's not 542 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: the first cardinal. The former cardinal in the last weeks 543 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: or so to express an interest in managing Albert Poohles. 544 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: Of course, a great article by Bob NINEE. Gill and 545 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: USA Today about Pools will manage the World Baseball Classic, 546 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: the Dominican Republic team, and how he wants to be 547 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: a major league manager as well. Skip Schumacher, friend of ours, 548 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: just finished up two years managing the Miami Marlins. He's 549 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: a special assistant with the Texas Rangers now, but would 550 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: certainly be open to managing again. There are no shortage 551 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: of impactful former Cardinals that would like to be managers someday, 552 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: and I don't want to speculate on what it means 553 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: for the state of the Saint Louis Cardinals currently because 554 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: that's not fair to Allie Marmel. 555 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: We don't know what that future holds. 556 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: There are no openings in Major League Baseball right now 557 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: from a managerial a position, But should one arise, who 558 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: is your pick to be the first of those three 559 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: to manage another team? 560 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: Can I throw my hat in the mix? 561 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: Here? 562 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: Have all these four more Cardinals? 563 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: I don't belong in the conversation with Pool, Hools and 564 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: Yati Yachti's I mean the fans gonna advocate for YadA 565 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 4: YadA here. 566 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: I mean the guy has given how many decades of 567 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: his life to Saint Louis Cardinals. I mean that's a lot, 568 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 3: that's a long time. 569 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 4: And I know from experience, this guy he was the 570 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: first one, that first one to show up, last one 571 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 4: to leave. And on top of that, like YadA, is 572 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: just one of the most, if not the most intelligent 573 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 4: baseball person that I've been around. Like he sees things 574 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 4: in the game that nobody else sees. So whenever, whatever 575 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 4: he's interested in, I think he's gonna get the opportunity. 576 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: If you put him in a room in an interview, uh, 577 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 4: you're gonna be impressed. Like this guy, he's a baseball 578 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 4: guy through and through. But good for him spending time 579 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 4: with his family. I mean, he his. 580 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: Family deserves it. He deserves it. Let him, let him, 581 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: you know, do what he wants to do at his 582 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: own pace. 583 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: And he I know, he loves Saint Louis and should 584 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 4: the opportunity, the right timing come available, he'll be there 585 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 4: without without a question. 586 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Well, I was too too busy. What was 587 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: your question? Katie was too busy talking about my my 588 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: favorite person in a baseball uniform. 589 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: Who's your pick? I mean, personally, I don't I don't 590 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: know who I would choose. 591 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: Like they're all great candidates. Between YACHTI, Albert and Skip 592 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: like to. 593 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: Manage to manage anywhere. 594 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean well I would if I had If 595 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 4: I was like to bet, I would say Skip, we 596 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 4: would see Skip in a managerial role before anybody, because 597 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: he's already done it. 598 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 599 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 4: He continues to put himself in positions I mean, senior advisor, 600 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: special assistant at the Texas Rangers. I mean he's if 601 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 4: you kind of read into that with with with with 602 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: Bocie potentially phasing out at some point in the near future, 603 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: he could he could fill a role there, so he's, 604 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 4: you know, continue to keep himself in the mixing. From 605 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 4: what I've heard and from from me being friends with Skipping, 606 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: he's an amazing person, uh, and a baseball genius as well, 607 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 4: and and. 608 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: Players love to play for him. 609 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: So if I, if I had a bet, I would guess, 610 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 4: I mean, Skip would would be my highly my highest 611 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: pick to fill into man a jerial role when it 612 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: would come available. But yeah, I don't think Galli's gonna 613 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: be getting out of Saint Louis anytime soon, so how 614 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 4: that plays out, I'm not sure. Can't say enough good 615 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 4: things about Albert. He's an amazing, incredible person. He's one 616 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 4: of the easiest guys to get along with. We were 617 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 4: never teammates, but based on all my interactions with him, 618 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: you would think that we were best friends and that 619 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 4: we were teammates for his entire career. He's just a 620 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 4: very charismatic and personable person, and I think he would 621 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 4: he would also do great in that role, especially from 622 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: a pr standpoint. 623 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 3: So I don't know what do you got, Katie. 624 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to decide. 625 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I first met Skip Schumacher when I was 626 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: in an intern fresh out of college and he was 627 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 2: with the San Diego Padres where I was assigned, and 628 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: he was like the first person with a like a 629 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 2: title in baseball that maybe said hi to me or 630 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: I knew my name. 631 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: So I always appreciated that. 632 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: I loved working with him when he was a bench 633 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: coach here in Saint Louis in twenty twenty two. 634 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: He's a guy that just gets it. 635 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: And I remember to the Marlins clubhouse around this time 636 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 2: last year after their twenty twenty three campaign, where you know, 637 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: the Marlins went, I expected to do much of anything, 638 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: and they every player I talked to credited Skip Schumacher 639 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: for turning that clubhouse around. He won Manager of the 640 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: Year that year for a reason. Clearly knows how to 641 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 2: resonate with his guys. I saw it in Saint Louis 642 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: see his former teammates, and he saw what he did 643 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: with Miami, So you can't go wrong with Skip Schumacher 644 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: no matter what you do. I covered the World Baseball 645 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: Classic in twenty twenty three as well. I covered Team 646 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, where Yati Amlina was a was managing and 647 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: the way that he made game time decisions and scouted 648 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: the other team. I mean I saw him put on 649 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: hit and run with Martin Maldonado their nine hitter, and 650 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: it led to a four run rally and they won 651 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: the game and they were trailing like six three at 652 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: the time. I can't remember the exact score, but that decision, 653 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: which nobody expected and everyone was kind of just like 654 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: what single handedly sparked a rally and they won the game. 655 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: We asked him postgame. 656 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: Why he did it, and he looked in the microphone 657 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: he said, because I felt like it. 658 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: It was just it was so good. He then gave 659 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: out like a real answer. 660 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: But that kind of knowledge is just something that is 661 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: It's why Yachti is so respected throughout the game. He 662 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: just sees the game differently. He's managed in the Winter 663 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: Leagues for the last three years with three different organizations, 664 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: just because he likes the ability to learn new things. 665 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: He also said it's only a two and a half 666 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: month season, so it's easier for his wife to understand 667 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: him being gone again. And I think Yachti Amlina of course, 668 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: would be a good manager. His knowledge of the game. 669 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: His understanding of the game is second to none. Albert 670 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: Pools can't say enough good things about him. The way 671 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: that he I don't want to say commands respect because 672 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't really like. He doesn't like say give it 673 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: to me. He just when you walk in you do 674 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: do it because it's Albert Pools, and people will resonate 675 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: with that. He obviously sees the game very well, knows 676 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: how to talk to people. I remember in twenty twenty 677 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: two coming in the clubhouse and he's sitting with a 678 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: different place every day, giving them their time a bad day, 679 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: good game, family life. He had something to say that 680 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: resonated with people. 681 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: So I have no idea who's going to go first. 682 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: I have no idea where it would be they are 683 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: only thirty positions no matter how you slice it, and 684 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: it's always a tough decision in terms of candidates. 685 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I have no. 686 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: Idea, and I do think though I wonder, because this 687 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: is a question, I get a lot. If any of 688 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: those three came back one day and managed the Saint 689 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals, and the Cardinals themselves were not a good team, 690 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: how would that impact their legacy or would it at all? 691 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: I don't think it could at this but there are 692 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: such incredible players. I don't think it could affect their 693 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 4: legacy per se, and I don't think the team could 694 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 4: be bad under them. I mean Saint Louis Cardinals iconic organization. 695 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 4: I mean this year put an asterisk. By twenty twenty five, 696 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 4: we'll see. I mean, we want to surprise people right 697 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: to get going here. 698 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 699 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: I don't I think it would be hard to taint 700 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: these guys. I mean, listen to you talk about me 701 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 4: reminiscing on all all my experiences with these guys. I mean, 702 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: I can't speak highly enough about each and every one 703 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 4: of them. I'm sure as soon as an opportunity comes available, 704 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: they will fill right in Can you imagine a three 705 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 4: headed monster YACHTI, Albert, and Skip all in the same place. 706 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: I mean, don't let that happen. Maybe a dynasty right there. 707 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: You got descalso and Jay just kind of hanging out. 708 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: That would be an ideal situation. Just from a writer's standpoint, 709 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: that'd be so much fun. Yeah, it's no matter how 710 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: your size the Cardinals fans, I think any of those 711 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: three would go out and see tons of success as 712 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: a manager. But I you know where that is when 713 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: that is still yet to be determined. We'll probably actually 714 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: this conversations will actually start to matter at the end 715 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: of this season. 716 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: Well usually when managerial positions open up, but right now, 717 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: no opening, So this can just be fun little speculation. 718 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you got to have a lot 719 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: of a lot of respect for for Skip Schumacher too. 720 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: Write like he did play in the major leagues for 721 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: a long time and then as soon as his playing 722 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 4: career was over, I mean, he he went straight into grinding, 723 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 4: you know, through the front office and and through different 724 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 4: coaching positions at the major league level to create this 725 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 4: opportunity for himself. And so I have I just have 726 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: a lot of respect for that I mean, he he 727 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: could have, uh, you know, spent time with his family 728 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: and done all these other things, which you know, I 729 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 4: fall into that category too. It's nice to spend time 730 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 4: with with your family. But you know, Skip, he's sacrificed 731 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 4: a lot to get the opportunities that he has had. 732 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: So I don't want to overshadow that either, because. 733 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 4: It is, you know, it is a big commitment, and 734 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 4: and you and I both know Skip very well. 735 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: He takes it very seriously. It's not something that he 736 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: takes lightly. 737 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 4: And he's he's dedicated his life to giving it, giving 738 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: his best to Major League Baseball, and he's been rewarded 739 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: for it. So I would love to see him continue 740 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 4: to get those opportunities. 741 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: All right, Trevor, that was time fives more having fun. 742 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: That was a good one. 743 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: I believe we're almost to the end of spring. We 744 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 2: will be back with you, well, I will be at 745 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: the end of the week. Some very special guests that 746 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: I can't reveal yet because they don't know which games 747 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: they're playing yet, which impact when they can come on 748 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: the podcast. So that's a hint. That's some players. And 749 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: then Trevor, you're back with me next week. 750 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about it. That's all I have. Any closing remarks. 751 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: Trevor closing remarks, Well, we got to come up with 752 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: a nickname for Katie wu. 753 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have one. 754 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: But well, my eyes are like the reporter girl. Whatever. 755 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: Everybody's happy you do. 756 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 4: A great job, Katie. Great job on the YACHTI Molina article. 757 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: That was really fun read, and like you said, very 758 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: timely with Albert gaining some attention in the work that 759 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: he's doing and the interest that he has, so I mean, 760 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 4: keep up the good work, Katy. 761 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: I've learned so much from you in a short time 762 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: and we're getting close. 763 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 4: We're getting we got just a couple more weeks, a 764 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 4: lot of good baseball ahead, a lot of storylines happening 765 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: across all of baseball, not just with the Cardinals. 766 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: We talked about Garret Cole going down. There's been some 767 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 3: other injuries. 768 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll continue to continue to keep our fan 769 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 4: base updated on the Cardinals. 770 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: That's it. 771 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: That's the whole motto of Cardinal Territory. Keeping you updated 772 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 2: and totally having our lives together. 773 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: That's it. 774 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 3: Totally, totally no holes 775 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: In our game, zero whichever Rosenthal I'm Katie who this 776 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: is Cardinal Territory will be back with you very soon.