WEBVTT - Free Agency Preview! | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.440 Today's episode of the Command Center Podcast, we have a 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:07.520 free agency preview with tons of fan questions. It's most definitely, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:09.719 most definitely. We say goodbye to John Allen and we 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.280 welcome back to Captain Bobby Wagner, and then we talk 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.880 about all the different ways we can improve this team. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:23.760 The draft, free agency, it all starts right now. Welcome 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.119 to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.000 Fred Smoot and Santana Moss and just as a revender. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.919 We're presented by Coger Technology, Securre Today Shape Tomorrow, and 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.200 as always, we just appreciate doing this show for you guys. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.559 And Fred, yeah, you have some very interesting news. You've 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.279 got a couple commander's camps. Yes, you're gonna be hosting, supporting. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.080 Hosting at Northwest stadiums fucking kids at the DMV and 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.319 if you outside of the DMV, feel free to come 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.600 to the dp out. So you know, the command and 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.200 coaching has changed. So we add to the coaching by 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:56.560 throwing these commander's camps. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.520 It should be fun. You should learn it. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.080 It's at Northwest State. That's that be really cool. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.080 I wanted to run and play on an NFL field, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:07.600 he's your chance right here. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.560 This would be pretty awesome. And it's flag football or. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.120 It's a true football camp. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.319 So we'll go through dreams, we'll do a lot of teaching, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.840 and we'll probably had like a little small scrimmage at 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:17.960 the end, but nothing, nothing. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.600 To make it crazy. That sounds like a ton of fun, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.480 So yeah, make sure you sign up. The description for 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.480 that camp, if you want to learn more about that, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.520 will be in the description of this video, so make 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.039 sure you check that out. And without further ado, free 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.280 agency is starting. We're recording this on Monday officially, like 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.679 the deadline starts on Wednesday. But obviously there's a ton 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:35.039 of like. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.560 You just try every five minutes, something happens, a. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.479 Ton of preliminary everything that's happening. So what we're gonna 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.399 do is we're kind of review the information that we 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.880 have or that's kind of allegedly happening, Like kind of 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.759 the reports are indicating that we've got them going on, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.000 and so we're gonna say, so far, so good, like 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.720 where do we stand in relationship to the rest of 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.560 the league, and where we had where we stood last year. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.360 So first things first, we released Sean Allen and Obviously, 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.520 we're really bummed to see John go because again, he's 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:00.920 been a big part of this community for a long 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:05.240 time and great football player. So obviously that's kind of tough. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.120 But I do think releasing him opens up an opportunity 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.440 and makes that Deebo Samuel the more money. Yeah, the 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.880 reported Deebo Samuel trade a little bit more appetizing. Ye. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.959 How do you guys feel about both of those news, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.160 because I feel like they're kind of married together in 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.520 a word, Well, thanks for your time. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.680 You know, it happens anytime you get a new coaching 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.679 stay UF, a new front office in here, you're going 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.560 to lose some of the people from the pays. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.720 So I think it was one of those things. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.440 And then when you get Newton in here, I think 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.920 they want to let let Newton develop himself. You outso 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.040 Steel have pain. So it ain't like you really did room. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.040 You know what I'm saying. If you could stand and 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.839 lose anybody in a room, it was dit room. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.040 And again, he's you know, he's older, he's a little 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.519 bit more sense. And I think I've talked to a 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.320 couple of fans about this, Like everybody reaches this point 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.359 and we've you know, I played for ten years and 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.440 I never got a big contract. But you always see 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.600 guys who are getting paid more than what their play is. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.720 That doesn't mean he's a bad play. This means he's 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:01.919 getting paid more than he was due. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.360 I think more than a production. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.480 Yeah, that's exactly right, especially coming off the injury. Feels 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.519 like the right thing. But Tanner, I do think this again, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.799 as reported by Adam Scheffner, that this gives that opportunity 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.360 to bring Deepo in because Debo comes in for seventeen Yeah. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.000 John's capit was fifteen and a half. Yeah, or sixteen 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:18.200 and a. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.280 Half, So your camp never changes. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.840 It's just like I just freed up with fifteen sixteen million, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.640 and you're getting a guy in for around that running 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.040 about that same amount of money. And then when it 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.760 comes down to just the move itself, you know what 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.800 I mean, I feel like time well spent. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.920 I think, you know, you hass off to John now. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.600 For what he did here, you know what I mean, 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.839 through through three different teams. I guess you could say Redskins, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.120 Washington Football team, Hanry Audio. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.760 Only two guys, I mean Time Wells, Trent Man. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.760 He was interested, you know, he was a guy that 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.560 I'm not sure if Smoop went over there and washed 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.440 him play, but when he was in high school at 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.120 stone Bridge, I went over there and washed them play 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.000 and they were talking about him being a proedend. So 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.680 I'm good he got a chance to come back here 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.760 and be a part of the team that meant so 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.080 much to him. And when you look at him play man, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.840 I think he still has some more trail on his tie. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.680 So somebody, whoever, whoever, go out there and pick him up. Man, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.400 they getting a guy that's probably gonna be eager to 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:13.280 go out there and prove a point. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:13.480 Well. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.600 The thing I also about it is class act by 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.960 Adam Peters to give him a chance to seek a trade. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 Class act right there that they're showing you that we're 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.039 gonna have we're gonna do things the right way here, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.960 and when it couldn't happen, then they released him. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.080 So they was the second choice. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.120 I think to speaking on that, it goes to show you, man, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.159 the direction we're moving and with this organization, when you 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.000 can afford to get rid of guys like that that 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.960 you know, I remember at the time just saying your 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.960 name and having a name of saying that you played well, 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.640 you stayed around here. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:48.760 You know, we didn't. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.239 We didn't we didn't go out and seek better talent 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.400 because we had this guy, and that guy his name 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.640 said that he was still great regardless of how old 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.760 he was, how long in the two he was. So 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.239 now looking at the things that they've done from day one, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.320 you know, from some of the other guys that's been gone, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.640 like normally around here, those guys would have still be 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.400 on the team, and you've been bringing in the other 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.320 guys that probably wasn't capable, you know, because we had 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.720 those guys and they were taking up a space. So 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.880 I'm loving to see that we can afford to get 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.160 rid of guys like Jonathan Allen. I think, you know, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.200 that's the best way you can put it in, you know, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.839 in context and in words. When you can afford a 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.200 guy to get rid of John now that means you 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.880 have guys on the roster that's that's you know, capable 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.080 filling that void, or you're going out of getting somebody 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.240 that's going to be able to you know, feel that boy. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.440 And I think that's a that's the best, that's fantastic take, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.640 because it is. It does show a huge shift because 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.800 I just remember, like you know, back even when I 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.719 was growing up, like in high school, college watching the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.200 then Redskins, like anybody with a big name was coming here. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:51.839 It was coming stare for a long time. And so 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.960 I do think like Adam Peters, like Freddie mentioned out classic, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.359 he's been in terms out handled the situation, understanding that 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.280 you need to despite what this guy has done. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.960 For you, you. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.479 You can't rely on that. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:05.599 I got to move forward. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.479 I got to move forward, and that's what this front 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.760 office has been about, moving forward. I cannot drive a 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.760 car looking through the rearview mirror. I have to look 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.640 through the windshield to get to where I'm. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.880 Trying to go. Yeah, so obviously, again bum John's out 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.479 of here. But I do think it reflects a like 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.120 the Tennis point and really a great point, a larger 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.000 new culture. Yeah, new culture, new perspective on how to 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.360 build a team. And I think that's awesome. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.720 Well, we have to build a team. Let's talk about 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.720 the elephant in the room. We're building a team to 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.560 beat the Philly deaf. Yeah, just be honest, the ghost. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.080 So obviously we've talked about the debo trader. I think 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.839 we talked about that a long time in the last podcast. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.320 Obviously you know, according to reports, he'll be here, and 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.960 I think that'll be a great addition. The competitiveness, the toughness. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.600 You talked about building a culture. I feel like he's 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:48.560 a nice piece for that. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:49.719 Very good coaching piece. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.400 How he raises the floor of the offense. I think 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.640 it's something we're all excited about too. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:52.960 Yeah. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.599 Also with coach Queen saying I want my guys to 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.880 be fast and physical, with Debo, is is filled. He 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.600 is the pitime at whide receive a physicality and motivation. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.440 Like I always tell people, I've been around a lot 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.960 of pros, but we are motivated by different things. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.520 And one thing that motivates. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.760 Us is when we get cut, Like if you like cut, traded, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.000 whatever you want. When the reset button is push, I 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.920 think it just gives us a refresh, like okay, let 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.600 me get back grounded, let me get back focused. So 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.800 not only are we getting Debo, but I think we're 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.200 getting a focused home gry Debo. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.080 Also, you got to understand, regardless if it's something that 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.560 you can say that you wanted to happen or didn't, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.720 when that guy gets somewhere new anybody, because I remember 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.440 coming over here. I was loving the fact that I 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.080 got a chance to get out of New York at 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.160 the time I did. When I got here, it was like, look, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.120 I ain't doing none of that riff rap stuff. 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.520 I remember. I remember, people want me to come show here. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.119 No bro, I got to prove to these guys out 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:55.560 the gate. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.160 Yeah who I am. So you get a guy that's 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.360 coming in focused made. I mean, that's the major thing 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.920 that I look at from players, where they mindset at 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.480 you know what I mean. So you get a guy 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.680 that's focused. I hate the fact when I was watching 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.040 this whole off season when you had you are sitting 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.080 around not playing all these other guys I was I 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.119 was skeptical about them coming in when they did sign 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.720 because you didn't really get a chance to do what. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.360 You was doing. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.320 And I love the fact that it didn't affect Jamar Chase. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.840 It was crazy. I'm like, so what was he doing? 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:31.880 You know when the cameras went on, he had to 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.720 be doing something because you saw a difference in his 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.360 play than the other guy. So when you get a 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.000 guy like Deebo, whether you're coming over here because you 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.840 wanted to or because you was traded. Man, he's spent 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.440 to scrap everything he did in those other years and 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.200 he's gonna buckle down and try to be the best 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:46.800 of himself. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.600 Yeah, and so really really looking forward to him being here. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.199 But I think the other thing about this, and we're 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.280 gonna say this a lot during the show, is right 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.000 now we have you know, we had twenty nine free 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.920 agents to start this processing. So wow, Deebo Samuel is 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.240 a big name that is allegedly going to be joining 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.280 this team here very shortly, probably on Wednesday. They still 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.679 need to build out the scaffolding of these things. So, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.600 like I said, it is Monday, and we've already signed 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.720 back both tight ends, which I'm really excited about. John 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.960 Bates according to reports, is back for a three year extension. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.960 Zach Ertz, according reports, is back for a one year extension. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.640 I mean, I'm for given what their impact was on 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.559 the offense, I think this is a good first step 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.400 to kind of laying that foundation. I think both of 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.360 them are, to your point, Fred, like cultural pieces that 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.640 are really nice additions, and I think that they are 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.839 also kind of they're just good football players. But I 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.320 think you look at John specifically, he's a young guy 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.840 and that's why he gets a three year deal, someone 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.920 that you can kind of build around. And so during 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.360 this reagent process, I think there's two things. One you 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.240 want to get more talented, and one you want to 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.960 find cornerstones, people that are cultural, cultural pieces that you 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.720 can build around moving. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.640 Forward, especially guys that ain't going to crash the bank. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.360 You know, John Bates is one of them pieces that 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.480 you don't really see his what he brings the tape 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.880 in the numbers. But but if I'm a running back, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.560 he reflects my numbers. Yeah, yeah, like he reflects everything 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.719 that you do. So most definitely, I thought it was 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.240 very important to bring him back. And zach Ertz, my god, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.040 you're talking about the rebirth of a career and it 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.200 just shows you how important a tight end is to 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.520 a young quarterback. I'm sorry, man, it's it's paramount. Like, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.120 I'm sorry, Like, if you didn't bring zach Ertz back, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.000 you were gonna have to upgrade that. You will have 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.360 to bring somebody just as good in. And I don't 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.480 know if it was somebody just as good on the free. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.000 Agent I was going to ask you, like, is there 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.720 is there a better pass catching option that does what 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.959 he does and for agency or in the drafts. And 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.079 I don't know if I could say definitively yes, there 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.640 are some very talented pieces. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.640 Say they would say Loveland. A couple of these guys. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.880 Loveland's very skilledul I think he's a top twenty pick. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.199 So he's not gonna be there when you pick. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.719 Look at it like if it's not broke, Yeah, you 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.560 know what I mean. You have a young guy already 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.240 in here that they got a relationship, that we got 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.240 a relationship with, and then you have an older guy that, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.440 you know, man, all I got to do is give 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.120 him another year because he showed me last year that 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.800 giving him that one year, you know, gave him a 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.480 breath of fresh air and he was able to go 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.439 out there and I mean down that stretch. Who was 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.000 a better pass catcher than than did he win? I 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.920 think at one point he was what twenty four attempts 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.520 and he had one drop, you know. So I mean, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.360 and then when you talk about John Bates, I just 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.360 feel like he's you know how they have that saying, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.760 you know how you have your meals, especially when you're 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.840 a caller counter, you know, gonna bring it up for 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.440 guys who you know me and you me and you 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.360 got to speak the same language a little bit when 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.480 we talking micros and all macros and all this stuff. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.280 When you're a calorie counter John Bates to meet to 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.760 our team, it's like those hitting calories like a drink, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.440 like you're eating your foods. I got three hundred calories 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.600 in my food, but you drunk a got soda. So 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.839 you got a John Bates where you might not see 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:51.560 those numbers. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.040 Yeah, but he's there. He's there, and he's. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.520 Very valuable for you because what you need him to do, 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.560 whether it's going to be blocking or catching. You know, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.440 he might be in disguise to the lineman because they're like, oh, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.719 they don't throw the ball, and then he leaks out 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.760 and then boom, you know what I mean, moved a chain. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.840 So I love the fact that you were able to 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.760 have that at home. You didn't have to go out 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.960 and seek it. You had those both both of those guys. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.600 You had the erth who can go out there and 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.319 show you that he can still be that that that 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:18.040 earth he. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:18.600 Was years ago. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.200 Now he might not have that pepping this stuff like 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.800 he was when he when he was younger. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.200 But he still has those hands. Can we agree that 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.240 he had a who you think he had the better year? Him? 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.679 And Dad's got it because that's who replaced. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.440 Him in philyink exactly. But I think I think Cliff 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.600 really understands how to use that. Yeah he does. And 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:35.920 I think, like I was gonna ask you to. I 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.959 don't know how much you watched him, but like he 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:39.480 runs routes, man. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.840 No, I just told you separation. 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.000 You know, people get People get caught up in how 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.280 fast you are. I never got caught up in fast. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.280 I got caught up in the And when I put 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.280 that foot in the ground, how much room I'm giving 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.440 myself to catch that ball, or how much room I'm 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.680 giving myself for that quarterback to say, I gotta I 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.760 gotta target, you know. And that's what you saw, Merts, 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.960 every time he got up there, no matter how fast 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 how slow he was running, when he gave you that 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.880 wiggling boom, Yeah, it was separation. He always separated. So 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.680 that's what I see in him. And you walk, watch 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.920 him walking around you like something hurting on him. He 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.079 got that foot, you got that walk, Like, dude, I 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.559 can played basketball. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:18.080 Listen. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.360 The one thing I could do with this tail is 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.560 an old football like listen with Doug Walks in. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:28.880 Football said, yeah, boy dog walking like a quarterback that's 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.600 stood in that week the Jedi class. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:32.560 Listen. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.760 I know you, I know you had had a full career. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.120 All right, Lovey, you got the kind of walk to that. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.520 I know. I don't love that that's happening for me. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:41.800 I gotta do something about that. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:43.840 You got that peppy, you got that look giddy up 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.640 in your stuff. You can tell that right there. They 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.600 can't get a little enough louve this morning. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.120 Because we're talking about Tedans, I think it's important talking 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.760 about the other guy that's here, which is Ben Sennate. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.240 We got a fan question about it, Yeah from Bradford. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.800 Is Ben Sennate more of a replacement for Baits or Earth? 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.240 And because I played tight end, because I watch him 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.080 on I'll take the first swing at this right and 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.439 so for me, he's not really a replacement for either. 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.080 I know that sounds he's a hybrid of both. It 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.559 sounds crazy. So to me, like he's like the classic 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.680 like Kyle Uschek in San Francisco. He can play off 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.000 the ball, he can do some move stuff. He can 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.760 play in line, but because of his lack of length, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.040 like Bates has thirty three in charms, the big guy 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.400 almost thirty four inch arms, like really good length, can 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.280 complete with defensive lineman sin, it's not going to do 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.160 that at a super high level, Like you don't want 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.240 them do that and say, oh so, then you look 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.480 at his exposed numbers, and his exposed numbers are crazy, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.840 like his force plate numbers are like ninety seven percentile, 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.800 his verticals like ninety seven percentile. He's an explosive dude. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.000 He's a whipping is whip. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.880 The problem with that is that he doesn't run routes 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.000 the way Zach runs. We just talked about how he's 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.680 got that kind of old man ymca. Yeah, he's gonna 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.640 try and beat you with horsepower. Yeah. So when you 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.400 watch him in Kansas City, Kansas State, like he's he's 0:14:54.480 --> 0:15:00.560 running verticals breaks and there's the nuance the separation tools, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.440 yeah aren't there. So they're just different players. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.160 Yeah, but can you get that? 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.840 I think he can develop this, especially learning from a 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.280 guy like Er, like how do you how you consistently 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.200 get opened on this ten yard end round? 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.280 Like and he's gonna let him know. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.360 Man, I'm dipping this shoulder, I'm playing basketball, Like that's 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.080 what Erch does better than in it tdy end in 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:21.520 the league. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:22.600 He will post you up. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.520 And so I think that's a great point, Fred, because 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.080 if he could learn some of that nu once, Yeah, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 I think Ben would probably be more likely to take 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.480 the zach Ertz. Yes, but it's I think people say, oh, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.240 it's a oh he's the pass catching tight end. Zach's 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.080 a passing catching tight end. And I will tell you 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.120 right now they're not the same. Zach is doing he's 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.240 like a it's a master class of the stuff Fred 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.520 just talked about the lean, the bend, the stick, the stems, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.360 breaking leverage, understanding coverage, like you're gonna be hard pressed 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.360 to find someone better doing it. So Ben needs to 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.440 learn some of that stuff to fill that role of 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.840 catching seventy balls in a year. Yeah. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.600 So this telling me, can he get good at the 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.360 normal Can he get good at the everyday routes? Because 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.120 he's one of those guys where because he's somewhat of 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.200 a weapon, you designed plays for him. Can you get 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.120 open when I and just inside of a regular play 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:15.920 that I don't design for you. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.080 Can he get can he get used to that? I 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.560 think if he can get used to that. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.160 Kind of a basic like yeah, yeah. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.320 And that first read, second reading, you happen to be 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.720 my third read. But you getting open. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.400 I think that's the reason why you bring a zach 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.760 Urst around, you know, for for a second year or two, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.120 because now you have that I guess you could say 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.000 that tutor or that mentor right in his room. Then 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.840 he can he can study from you know, being out 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:41.520 physical kids. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.800 You know, he out physical kids and collage. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.880 He went out there and the big bought basically just 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.480 you know, toy to round because he had the ability 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.960