Speaker 1: Today's episode of the Command Center Podcast, we have a
Speaker 1: free agency preview with tons of fan questions. It's most definitely,
Speaker 1: most definitely. We say goodbye to John Allen and we
Speaker 1: welcome back to Captain Bobby Wagner, and then we talk
Speaker 1: about all the different ways we can improve this team.
Speaker 1: The draft, free agency, it all starts right now. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with
Speaker 1: Fred Smoot and Santana Moss and just as a revender.
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Speaker 1: as always, we just appreciate doing this show for you guys.
Speaker 1: And Fred, yeah, you have some very interesting news. You've
Speaker 1: got a couple commander's camps. Yes, you're gonna be hosting, supporting.
Speaker 2: Hosting at Northwest stadiums fucking kids at the DMV and
Speaker 2: if you outside of the DMV, feel free to come
Speaker 2: to the dp out. So you know, the command and
Speaker 2: coaching has changed. So we add to the coaching by
Speaker 2: throwing these commander's camps.
Speaker 3: It should be fun. You should learn it.
Speaker 1: It's at Northwest State. That's that be really cool.
Speaker 2: I wanted to run and play on an NFL field,
Speaker 2: he's your chance right here.
Speaker 1: This would be pretty awesome. And it's flag football or.
Speaker 3: It's a true football camp.
Speaker 2: So we'll go through dreams, we'll do a lot of teaching,
Speaker 2: and we'll probably had like a little small scrimmage at
Speaker 2: the end, but nothing, nothing.
Speaker 1: To make it crazy. That sounds like a ton of fun,
Speaker 1: So yeah, make sure you sign up. The description for
Speaker 1: that camp, if you want to learn more about that,
Speaker 1: will be in the description of this video, so make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. And without further ado, free
Speaker 1: agency is starting. We're recording this on Monday officially, like
Speaker 1: the deadline starts on Wednesday. But obviously there's a ton
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 3: You just try every five minutes, something happens, a.
Speaker 1: Ton of preliminary everything that's happening. So what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do is we're kind of review the information that we
Speaker 1: have or that's kind of allegedly happening, Like kind of
Speaker 1: the reports are indicating that we've got them going on,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna say, so far, so good, like
Speaker 1: where do we stand in relationship to the rest of
Speaker 1: the league, and where we had where we stood last year.
Speaker 1: So first things first, we released Sean Allen and Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're really bummed to see John go because again, he's
Speaker 1: been a big part of this community for a long
Speaker 1: time and great football player. So obviously that's kind of tough.
Speaker 1: But I do think releasing him opens up an opportunity
Speaker 1: and makes that Deebo Samuel the more money. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: reported Deebo Samuel trade a little bit more appetizing. Ye.
Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about both of those news,
Speaker 1: because I feel like they're kind of married together in
Speaker 1: a word, Well, thanks for your time.
Speaker 2: You know, it happens anytime you get a new coaching
Speaker 2: stay UF, a new front office in here, you're going
Speaker 2: to lose some of the people from the pays.
Speaker 3: So I think it was one of those things.
Speaker 2: And then when you get Newton in here, I think
Speaker 2: they want to let let Newton develop himself. You outso
Speaker 2: Steel have pain. So it ain't like you really did room.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. If you could stand and
Speaker 2: lose anybody in a room, it was dit room.
Speaker 1: And again, he's you know, he's older, he's a little
Speaker 1: bit more sense. And I think I've talked to a
Speaker 1: couple of fans about this, Like everybody reaches this point
Speaker 1: and we've you know, I played for ten years and
Speaker 1: I never got a big contract. But you always see
Speaker 1: guys who are getting paid more than what their play is.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's a bad play. This means he's
Speaker 1: getting paid more than he was due.
Speaker 3: I think more than a production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, especially coming off the injury. Feels
Speaker 1: like the right thing. But Tanner, I do think this again,
Speaker 1: as reported by Adam Scheffner, that this gives that opportunity
Speaker 1: to bring Deepo in because Debo comes in for seventeen Yeah.
Speaker 1: John's capit was fifteen and a half. Yeah, or sixteen
Speaker 1: and a.
Speaker 3: Half, So your camp never changes.
Speaker 4: It's just like I just freed up with fifteen sixteen million,
Speaker 4: and you're getting a guy in for around that running
Speaker 4: about that same amount of money. And then when it
Speaker 4: comes down to just the move itself, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like time well spent.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, you hass off to John now.
Speaker 4: For what he did here, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: through through three different teams. I guess you could say Redskins,
Speaker 4: Washington Football team, Hanry Audio.
Speaker 3: Only two guys, I mean Time Wells, Trent Man.
Speaker 4: He was interested, you know, he was a guy that
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if Smoop went over there and washed
Speaker 4: him play, but when he was in high school at
Speaker 4: stone Bridge, I went over there and washed them play
Speaker 4: and they were talking about him being a proedend. So
Speaker 4: I'm good he got a chance to come back here
Speaker 4: and be a part of the team that meant so
Speaker 4: much to him. And when you look at him play man,
Speaker 4: I think he still has some more trail on his tie.
Speaker 4: So somebody, whoever, whoever, go out there and pick him up. Man,
Speaker 4: they getting a guy that's probably gonna be eager to
Speaker 4: go out there and prove a point.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: The thing I also about it is class act by
Speaker 2: Adam Peters to give him a chance to seek a trade.
Speaker 2: Class act right there that they're showing you that we're
Speaker 2: gonna have we're gonna do things the right way here,
Speaker 2: and when it couldn't happen, then they released him.
Speaker 3: So they was the second choice.
Speaker 4: I think to speaking on that, it goes to show you, man,
Speaker 4: the direction we're moving and with this organization, when you
Speaker 4: can afford to get rid of guys like that that
Speaker 4: you know, I remember at the time just saying your
Speaker 4: name and having a name of saying that you played well,
Speaker 4: you stayed around here.
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't.
Speaker 4: We didn't we didn't go out and seek better talent
Speaker 4: because we had this guy, and that guy his name
Speaker 4: said that he was still great regardless of how old
Speaker 4: he was, how long in the two he was. So
Speaker 4: now looking at the things that they've done from day one,
Speaker 4: you know, from some of the other guys that's been gone,
Speaker 4: like normally around here, those guys would have still be
Speaker 4: on the team, and you've been bringing in the other
Speaker 4: guys that probably wasn't capable, you know, because we had
Speaker 4: those guys and they were taking up a space. So
Speaker 4: I'm loving to see that we can afford to get
Speaker 4: rid of guys like Jonathan Allen. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: that's the best way you can put it in, you know,
Speaker 4: in context and in words. When you can afford a
Speaker 4: guy to get rid of John now that means you
Speaker 4: have guys on the roster that's that's you know, capable
Speaker 4: filling that void, or you're going out of getting somebody
Speaker 4: that's going to be able to you know, feel that boy.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a that's the best, that's fantastic take,
Speaker 1: because it is. It does show a huge shift because
Speaker 1: I just remember, like you know, back even when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, like in high school, college watching the
Speaker 1: then Redskins, like anybody with a big name was coming here.
Speaker 1: It was coming stare for a long time. And so
Speaker 1: I do think like Adam Peters, like Freddie mentioned out classic,
Speaker 1: he's been in terms out handled the situation, understanding that
Speaker 1: you need to despite what this guy has done.
Speaker 3: For you, you.
Speaker 1: You can't rely on that.
Speaker 3: I got to move forward.
Speaker 2: I got to move forward, and that's what this front
Speaker 2: office has been about, moving forward. I cannot drive a
Speaker 2: car looking through the rearview mirror. I have to look
Speaker 2: through the windshield to get to where I'm.
Speaker 1: Trying to go. Yeah, so obviously, again bum John's out
Speaker 1: of here. But I do think it reflects a like
Speaker 1: the Tennis point and really a great point, a larger
Speaker 1: new culture. Yeah, new culture, new perspective on how to
Speaker 1: build a team. And I think that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, we have to build a team. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the elephant in the room. We're building a team to
Speaker 2: beat the Philly deaf. Yeah, just be honest, the ghost.
Speaker 1: So obviously we've talked about the debo trader. I think
Speaker 1: we talked about that a long time in the last podcast.
Speaker 1: Obviously you know, according to reports, he'll be here, and
Speaker 1: I think that'll be a great addition. The competitiveness, the toughness.
Speaker 1: You talked about building a culture. I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a nice piece for that.
Speaker 3: Very good coaching piece.
Speaker 1: How he raises the floor of the offense. I think
Speaker 1: it's something we're all excited about too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also with coach Queen saying I want my guys to
Speaker 2: be fast and physical, with Debo, is is filled. He
Speaker 2: is the pitime at whide receive a physicality and motivation.
Speaker 2: Like I always tell people, I've been around a lot
Speaker 2: of pros, but we are motivated by different things.
Speaker 3: And one thing that motivates.
Speaker 2: Us is when we get cut, Like if you like cut, traded,
Speaker 2: whatever you want. When the reset button is push, I
Speaker 2: think it just gives us a refresh, like okay, let
Speaker 2: me get back grounded, let me get back focused. So
Speaker 2: not only are we getting Debo, but I think we're
Speaker 2: getting a focused home gry Debo.
Speaker 4: Also, you got to understand, regardless if it's something that
Speaker 4: you can say that you wanted to happen or didn't,
Speaker 4: when that guy gets somewhere new anybody, because I remember
Speaker 4: coming over here. I was loving the fact that I
Speaker 4: got a chance to get out of New York at
Speaker 4: the time I did. When I got here, it was like, look,
Speaker 4: I ain't doing none of that riff rap stuff.
Speaker 3: I remember. I remember, people want me to come show here.
Speaker 3: No bro, I got to prove to these guys out
Speaker 3: the gate.
Speaker 4: Yeah who I am. So you get a guy that's
Speaker 4: coming in focused made. I mean, that's the major thing
Speaker 4: that I look at from players, where they mindset at
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So you get a guy
Speaker 4: that's focused. I hate the fact when I was watching
Speaker 4: this whole off season when you had you are sitting
Speaker 4: around not playing all these other guys I was I
Speaker 4: was skeptical about them coming in when they did sign
Speaker 4: because you didn't really get a chance to do what.
Speaker 3: You was doing.
Speaker 4: And I love the fact that it didn't affect Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. I'm like, so what was he doing?
Speaker 4: You know when the cameras went on, he had to
Speaker 4: be doing something because you saw a difference in his
Speaker 4: play than the other guy. So when you get a
Speaker 4: guy like Deebo, whether you're coming over here because you
Speaker 4: wanted to or because you was traded. Man, he's spent
Speaker 4: to scrap everything he did in those other years and
Speaker 4: he's gonna buckle down and try to be the best
Speaker 4: of himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so really really looking forward to him being here.
Speaker 1: But I think the other thing about this, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna say this a lot during the show, is right
Speaker 1: now we have you know, we had twenty nine free
Speaker 1: agents to start this processing. So wow, Deebo Samuel is
Speaker 1: a big name that is allegedly going to be joining
Speaker 1: this team here very shortly, probably on Wednesday. They still
Speaker 1: need to build out the scaffolding of these things. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it is Monday, and we've already signed
Speaker 1: back both tight ends, which I'm really excited about. John
Speaker 1: Bates according to reports, is back for a three year extension.
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz, according reports, is back for a one year extension.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm for given what their impact was on
Speaker 1: the offense, I think this is a good first step
Speaker 1: to kind of laying that foundation. I think both of
Speaker 1: them are, to your point, Fred, like cultural pieces that
Speaker 1: are really nice additions, and I think that they are
Speaker 1: also kind of they're just good football players. But I
Speaker 1: think you look at John specifically, he's a young guy
Speaker 1: and that's why he gets a three year deal, someone
Speaker 1: that you can kind of build around. And so during
Speaker 1: this reagent process, I think there's two things. One you
Speaker 1: want to get more talented, and one you want to
Speaker 1: find cornerstones, people that are cultural, cultural pieces that you
Speaker 1: can build around moving.
Speaker 2: Forward, especially guys that ain't going to crash the bank.
Speaker 2: You know, John Bates is one of them pieces that
Speaker 2: you don't really see his what he brings the tape
Speaker 2: in the numbers. But but if I'm a running back,
Speaker 2: he reflects my numbers. Yeah, yeah, like he reflects everything
Speaker 2: that you do. So most definitely, I thought it was
Speaker 2: very important to bring him back. And zach Ertz, my god,
Speaker 2: you're talking about the rebirth of a career and it
Speaker 2: just shows you how important a tight end is to
Speaker 2: a young quarterback. I'm sorry, man, it's it's paramount. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like, if you didn't bring zach Ertz back,
Speaker 2: you were gonna have to upgrade that. You will have
Speaker 2: to bring somebody just as good in. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was somebody just as good on the free.
Speaker 1: Agent I was going to ask you, like, is there
Speaker 1: is there a better pass catching option that does what
Speaker 1: he does and for agency or in the drafts. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could say definitively yes, there
Speaker 1: are some very talented pieces.
Speaker 3: Say they would say Loveland. A couple of these guys.
Speaker 1: Loveland's very skilledul I think he's a top twenty pick.
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna be there when you pick.
Speaker 4: Look at it like if it's not broke, Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. You have a young guy already
Speaker 4: in here that they got a relationship, that we got
Speaker 4: a relationship with, and then you have an older guy that,
Speaker 4: you know, man, all I got to do is give
Speaker 4: him another year because he showed me last year that
Speaker 4: giving him that one year, you know, gave him a
Speaker 4: breath of fresh air and he was able to go
Speaker 4: out there and I mean down that stretch. Who was
Speaker 4: a better pass catcher than than did he win? I
Speaker 4: think at one point he was what twenty four attempts
Speaker 4: and he had one drop, you know. So I mean,
Speaker 4: and then when you talk about John Bates, I just
Speaker 4: feel like he's you know how they have that saying,
Speaker 4: you know how you have your meals, especially when you're
Speaker 4: a caller counter, you know, gonna bring it up for
Speaker 4: guys who you know me and you me and you
Speaker 4: got to speak the same language a little bit when
Speaker 4: we talking micros and all macros and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: When you're a calorie counter John Bates to meet to
Speaker 4: our team, it's like those hitting calories like a drink,
Speaker 4: like you're eating your foods. I got three hundred calories
Speaker 4: in my food, but you drunk a got soda. So
Speaker 4: you got a John Bates where you might not see
Speaker 4: those numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's there. He's there, and he's.
Speaker 4: Very valuable for you because what you need him to do,
Speaker 4: whether it's going to be blocking or catching. You know,
Speaker 4: he might be in disguise to the lineman because they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: they don't throw the ball, and then he leaks out
Speaker 4: and then boom, you know what I mean, moved a chain.
Speaker 4: So I love the fact that you were able to
Speaker 4: have that at home. You didn't have to go out
Speaker 4: and seek it. You had those both both of those guys.
Speaker 4: You had the erth who can go out there and
Speaker 4: show you that he can still be that that that
Speaker 4: earth he.
Speaker 3: Was years ago.
Speaker 4: Now he might not have that pepping this stuff like
Speaker 4: he was when he when he was younger.
Speaker 3: But he still has those hands. Can we agree that
Speaker 3: he had a who you think he had the better year? Him?
Speaker 3: And Dad's got it because that's who replaced.
Speaker 1: Him in philyink exactly. But I think I think Cliff
Speaker 1: really understands how to use that. Yeah he does. And
Speaker 1: I think, like I was gonna ask you to. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much you watched him, but like he
Speaker 1: runs routes, man.
Speaker 3: No, I just told you separation.
Speaker 4: You know, people get People get caught up in how
Speaker 4: fast you are. I never got caught up in fast.
Speaker 4: I got caught up in the And when I put
Speaker 4: that foot in the ground, how much room I'm giving
Speaker 4: myself to catch that ball, or how much room I'm
Speaker 4: giving myself for that quarterback to say, I gotta I
Speaker 4: gotta target, you know. And that's what you saw, Merts,
Speaker 4: every time he got up there, no matter how fast
Speaker 4: how slow he was running, when he gave you that
Speaker 4: wiggling boom, Yeah, it was separation. He always separated. So
Speaker 4: that's what I see in him. And you walk, watch
Speaker 4: him walking around you like something hurting on him. He
Speaker 4: got that foot, you got that walk, Like, dude, I
Speaker 4: can played basketball.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: The one thing I could do with this tail is
Speaker 2: an old football like listen with Doug Walks in.
Speaker 4: Football said, yeah, boy dog walking like a quarterback that's
Speaker 4: stood in that week the Jedi class.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: I know you, I know you had had a full career.
Speaker 2: All right, Lovey, you got the kind of walk to that.
Speaker 1: I know. I don't love that that's happening for me.
Speaker 1: I gotta do something about that.
Speaker 3: You got that peppy, you got that look giddy up
Speaker 3: in your stuff. You can tell that right there. They
Speaker 3: can't get a little enough louve this morning.
Speaker 1: Because we're talking about Tedans, I think it's important talking
Speaker 1: about the other guy that's here, which is Ben Sennate.
Speaker 1: We got a fan question about it, Yeah from Bradford.
Speaker 1: Is Ben Sennate more of a replacement for Baits or Earth?
Speaker 1: And because I played tight end, because I watch him
Speaker 1: on I'll take the first swing at this right and
Speaker 1: so for me, he's not really a replacement for either.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds he's a hybrid of both. It
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. So to me, like he's like the classic
Speaker 1: like Kyle Uschek in San Francisco. He can play off
Speaker 1: the ball, he can do some move stuff. He can
Speaker 1: play in line, but because of his lack of length,
Speaker 1: like Bates has thirty three in charms, the big guy
Speaker 1: almost thirty four inch arms, like really good length, can
Speaker 1: complete with defensive lineman sin, it's not going to do
Speaker 1: that at a super high level, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: them do that and say, oh so, then you look
Speaker 1: at his exposed numbers, and his exposed numbers are crazy,
Speaker 1: like his force plate numbers are like ninety seven percentile,
Speaker 1: his verticals like ninety seven percentile. He's an explosive dude.
Speaker 3: He's a whipping is whip.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is that he doesn't run routes
Speaker 1: the way Zach runs. We just talked about how he's
Speaker 1: got that kind of old man ymca. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: try and beat you with horsepower. Yeah. So when you
Speaker 1: watch him in Kansas City, Kansas State, like he's he's
Speaker 1: running verticals breaks and there's the nuance the separation tools,
Speaker 1: yeah aren't there. So they're just different players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but can you get that?
Speaker 2: I think he can develop this, especially learning from a
Speaker 2: guy like Er, like how do you how you consistently
Speaker 2: get opened on this ten yard end round?
Speaker 3: Like and he's gonna let him know.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm dipping this shoulder, I'm playing basketball, Like that's
Speaker 2: what Erch does better than in it tdy end in
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 3: He will post you up.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's a great point, Fred, because
Speaker 1: if he could learn some of that nu once, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Ben would probably be more likely to take
Speaker 1: the zach Ertz. Yes, but it's I think people say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a oh he's the pass catching tight end. Zach's
Speaker 1: a passing catching tight end. And I will tell you
Speaker 1: right now they're not the same. Zach is doing he's
Speaker 1: like a it's a master class of the stuff Fred
Speaker 1: just talked about the lean, the bend, the stick, the stems,
Speaker 1: breaking leverage, understanding coverage, like you're gonna be hard pressed
Speaker 1: to find someone better doing it. So Ben needs to
Speaker 1: learn some of that stuff to fill that role of
Speaker 1: catching seventy balls in a year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this telling me, can he get good at the
Speaker 2: normal Can he get good at the everyday routes? Because
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys where because he's somewhat of
Speaker 2: a weapon, you designed plays for him. Can you get
Speaker 2: open when I and just inside of a regular play
Speaker 2: that I don't design for you.
Speaker 3: Can he get can he get used to that? I
Speaker 3: think if he can get used to that.
Speaker 1: Kind of a basic like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that first read, second reading, you happen to be
Speaker 2: my third read. But you getting open.
Speaker 4: I think that's the reason why you bring a zach
Speaker 4: Urst around, you know, for for a second year or two,
Speaker 4: because now you have that I guess you could say
Speaker 4: that tutor or that mentor right in his room. Then
Speaker 4: he can he can study from you know, being out
Speaker 4: physical kids.
Speaker 3: You know, he out physical kids and collage.
Speaker 4: He went out there and the big bought basically just
Speaker 4: you know, toy to round because he had the ability
Speaker 4: to outrun half of those guys at that size, and
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 3: Bigger than half of those guys in that size.
Speaker 4: Now you're in the big man's world where every guy,
Speaker 4: even the guy off the bench, yeah, can run with
Speaker 4: you can our physical you can you know, you know,
Speaker 4: beat you up, you know, so to say, and then
Speaker 4: you say, okay, what you need to ask you can't
Speaker 4: because now you can compete with these guys. You're big enough,
Speaker 4: you're fast enough. But what you need to add And
Speaker 4: then that zach Ertz, that's why he's here. So you
Speaker 4: sit there and you watch him enough, it's gonna come on.
Speaker 4: It's gonna tackle down.
Speaker 2: To out of time where athletes start to mimic athlete
Speaker 2: watching Jordan Love play quarterback. He looks exactly like Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: how he holds the ball, the way he throws the ball.
Speaker 3: And you pick up habits from the guys you you
Speaker 3: play with.
Speaker 4: So I think, I think when it comes to answering
Speaker 4: that question or yes, he's not either you know he's
Speaker 4: not either or Bates, but he can he can honestly
Speaker 4: be something that none of them. I mean because like
Speaker 4: because I think when you're developing guys, that's what you
Speaker 4: get a guy like being sent it from You get
Speaker 4: a guy that man, look this guy here, the potential he.
Speaker 3: Once he get it when we done with him, what
Speaker 3: he can be.
Speaker 4: He can be so explosive, we might can use him
Speaker 4: like a Tony Gounzalees. I mean, you know me, I
Speaker 4: think he has that ability, you know, And I.
Speaker 1: Think that's the thing is like when you look at
Speaker 1: all the numbers, he's like wicked explosively. He's crazy explosive.
Speaker 1: So it's there, and when you watch him in the
Speaker 1: run game, he's got good snap, he's got good pop,
Speaker 1: especially on the second level. Stuff like say blocking his
Speaker 1: won't do it, won't to and so. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta you gotta you gotta grow, you
Speaker 1: gotta learn, and so, like I think about my rookie
Speaker 1: year and I couldn't block, you know, Chris Wilson, it
Speaker 1: was like the third string special teams ed rusher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. But you learn. You talk to
Speaker 1: Chris Cool, you talk to Fred, you talk to some
Speaker 1: of the old linemen. Oh, this is my technique, and
Speaker 1: hopefully you see that level of progression. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's he's got a little ways to go, I think,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get that across. Like I think
Speaker 1: he can do it.
Speaker 3: I've ben saying I think he can get there. The
Speaker 3: question is how fast?
Speaker 2: How fast do you develop and how fast do you
Speaker 2: get to where the game slows down and.
Speaker 4: How fast does it turns on in your head that
Speaker 4: I can't be too far behind these guys.
Speaker 3: It's about time for me to start taking new y.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, you know, because I you know, young
Speaker 4: guys getting here, Some young guys get.
Speaker 3: In here and saying I'm comfortable, be a part of it.
Speaker 4: I got I got in front of me, I got
Speaker 4: this other guy in front of him, I got based
Speaker 4: in front of me. I'm comfortable. Or you can say
Speaker 4: I don't like these guys here in front of me.
Speaker 4: They brought me in here for a reason. And now
Speaker 4: what you do is by him up and everybody. He's
Speaker 4: gonna up his his arm level of all play that
Speaker 4: he's gonna up all these guys, because not a whole
Speaker 4: room is going to sit up there and say, well, damn,
Speaker 4: this young guy behind us, he in my back pocket.
Speaker 2: I got to get in my back pocket. In the
Speaker 2: perfect world, at the end of next year, he should
Speaker 2: be the store and tight end. He should be the
Speaker 2: staring tight end body end of that should be the
Speaker 2: extra piece.
Speaker 3: The rest of love the fact that we got all
Speaker 3: three of them.
Speaker 4: I love the fact that we got all three of
Speaker 4: them because that only makes our room that much stronger.
Speaker 1: And so it'll be interesting to see because we're I
Speaker 1: think we're all excited about Ben. We want to but
Speaker 1: to see his development because again we want to see
Speaker 1: the the stuff on the field, the nuance on the field,
Speaker 1: match the athletic upside and they take it old.
Speaker 2: Man game out of out of zach ERT's head, put
Speaker 2: it in yours like this time. I remember when I
Speaker 2: first guy here, they would thirteen Day of Green told me,
Speaker 2: he said, I'm fing to take my brain and put
Speaker 2: it in yo you for body, and give you a
Speaker 2: chance to be a legit player in the lead.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I tell this story all the time.
Speaker 1: But like one of the things that it's different, Like
Speaker 1: college football is one thing, NFL football is something completely different.
Speaker 1: You have to be on your technique, you have to
Speaker 1: be on your assignments. Like I remember, this is a
Speaker 1: crazy story. So I was with Chris and he was like, Logan,
Speaker 1: why you always laid off the ball? And I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Chris, Like I get off
Speaker 1: when the when he says set hut like I'm going,
Speaker 1: and he talked, watchs me in the film room right
Speaker 1: down here, the old tight end room and goes play pause,
Speaker 1: play pause, play pause, and I'll be damned if I
Speaker 1: wasn't a full count behind everybody. And so I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, how'd you even notice that? Know? What
Speaker 1: had said anything to me? And he goes go talk
Speaker 1: to Rybach and Will Montgomery, the centers at the time.
Speaker 1: So I walked down there and he's like, I'm actually
Speaker 1: snapping it on the s of set.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So like it's said, hut yeah, and he's stapping on
Speaker 1: the SI yeah. And I was that late and it's
Speaker 1: not even a second. It's a tenth of a second,
Speaker 1: hundred of a second.
Speaker 4: So you waiting tout yeah and they already moving yeah.
Speaker 1: And so again like that's like, that's the level of
Speaker 1: detail this game requires, and so hopefully these guys all
Speaker 1: get there. So in addition to the tight ends that
Speaker 1: we're all really excited about, we got Zane Gonzalez recording
Speaker 1: to reports free signing again. I think I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be one piece of a competition. I think
Speaker 1: that's the best way to do it.
Speaker 3: But do you think Cyber get a chance to win
Speaker 3: a job?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He seems like he's still kind of
Speaker 1: nicked up.
Speaker 3: He might be still nick but I thought his year,
Speaker 3: yeah I was.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's what I'm saying is like, we're
Speaker 1: not talking about Cyber right now. Yeah, of the injury, right.
Speaker 2: So I just feel like this competition in the me
Speaker 2: I feel like this the md'll be you bring a
Speaker 2: guy back like that, if he's healthy, bring a guy
Speaker 2: back in there, because I think he did.
Speaker 4: He meant so much time season and into how we started.
Speaker 1: You know you that Giants, what is it? Sixty seven
Speaker 1: to field won again? That's crazy. But but you know,
Speaker 1: I've I don't think I've ever been on a team
Speaker 1: where we've had like a kicker. There's always been another
Speaker 1: guy that comes in to compete, right, Like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think, have you ever.
Speaker 2: Now when I first got here, we stole Joe Howe,
Speaker 2: when we was just Washington Jet Ski, we stolen.
Speaker 3: Everybody from I came over here.
Speaker 1: My locker room, like.
Speaker 3: The locker room, I didn't play. I'm told, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you need sending some of these gents man.
Speaker 2: So we sent them Alec laburn Man and they gave
Speaker 2: us Tom Now we had big Grandy Thomas, we had
Speaker 2: Joe how we had Chad Morton, Chad Mordon, j Skians.
Speaker 1: So we guess what I'm saying is like Jane's back,
Speaker 1: you know, allegedly back Cyber. You know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: that's a normal NFL. It's not like saying this guy's
Speaker 1: batter good. It's just like that's how you do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get kickers, they compete, they do their thing, and probably
Speaker 1: maybe the most exciting potential re signing. Obviously, this doesn't
Speaker 1: become official till Wednesday. Streuss way back on one year
Speaker 1: deal away.
Speaker 4: I know he fresh because he missed the way.
Speaker 2: The question is how long can miss the wade keep hunting? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I think he still got twy years.
Speaker 4: He's thirty, he's thirty four, forty, thirty four, thirteen or
Speaker 4: fourteen to looking.
Speaker 2: Up, No, no, no, this is years here with us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's probably the year eleven or twelve?
Speaker 1: Right, what is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven or twelve, because I don't think he started
Speaker 2: as a twenty year old.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that'll be interesting. I would have said thirteen.
Speaker 1: What is what I would have said, I don't know, twelve, twelve.
Speaker 1: But he also, I remember you also missed the year
Speaker 1: because he had he did practice squad or try out
Speaker 1: competition in Chicago and then came here. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: only his eleventh year. But yeah, I think obviously everyone's
Speaker 1: excited about him. You know, Leadership, I think is something
Speaker 1: he brings.
Speaker 3: And that's the way.
Speaker 1: That's kind of funny talking about a punter being a leader,
Speaker 1: but he is.
Speaker 2: No, No, he's a blue guy. He's a guy like
Speaker 2: listen to me. His selfishness giving it at number five
Speaker 2: to jayde set the whole year in the right course,
Speaker 2: like doing stuff like that, and the way I watched
Speaker 2: him sit on it sideline and do nothing this year
Speaker 2: was great, not a pro being a You asked me
Speaker 2: to show up, I showed up. My services was not needed,
Speaker 2: but I'm here when you do need it. President mister Waite, Congratulations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, glad that he's back again. Leadership get
Speaker 1: Zach leadership from Zach, leadership from trust and then I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the most important leadership element, and this
Speaker 1: one is official. Bobby Wagoner resigns on a one year deal.
Speaker 3: We had to do it.
Speaker 1: You can probably gush on this for an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can say had to do it. It was
Speaker 2: the right move. He is the ultimate leader and the
Speaker 2: ultimate chess player. While you out there, the things he
Speaker 2: do checking to defense and see this what the this
Speaker 2: is what the untrained I don't see is how he
Speaker 2: battles with these quarterbacks and checking to the and putting
Speaker 2: everybody in the right defense, especially in that way.
Speaker 3: You're a London Fletcher.
Speaker 4: You don't know how valuable a guy is until you
Speaker 4: actually get the chance to see him on your squad.
Speaker 4: And man, Bro, I'm talking about having a quarterback. It's
Speaker 4: one thing though, that he's the quarterback of the defense.
Speaker 4: I mean, Bro, I watched this guy sit there last
Speaker 4: minute and just making checks and putting guys in place, man,
Speaker 4: and just used to understand somebody's value, man, And Bobby
Speaker 4: showed it from day one. He showed of since he
Speaker 4: was over there in Seattle. I remember playing against him
Speaker 4: his rookie season and didn't even know he was a rookie.
Speaker 3: You know, that's how valuable he was to that team.
Speaker 4: And just to see him what years years removed from
Speaker 4: those guys and went, I think he had to stint
Speaker 4: somewhere else. Yeh la la playing in La back to
Speaker 4: Seattle down here.
Speaker 3: Don't like he missed a beat, you know.
Speaker 2: He just he's just one of those players you know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get, And you can't say that about
Speaker 2: out in that field player.
Speaker 1: And I think I've had a bunch of fans come
Speaker 1: up to me and it's like, oh, like, how's he
Speaker 1: playing And he's not playing like he was when he
Speaker 1: was in Seattle.
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting him to and I think.
Speaker 1: That's an unreal estate expectation. But you know what he
Speaker 1: does do a really good job of, is he's his
Speaker 1: leaderships off the chart, his ability to control, Like I
Speaker 1: just remember the BEARSS game where it's like they got
Speaker 1: the empty check on, they shift back to a tight formation,
Speaker 1: he checks it up, it's short. You like his ability
Speaker 1: to communicate to all levels of the defense. You see
Speaker 1: what from a mental standpoint, what the green dot looks like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a you go to the combine and people
Speaker 1: talk about linebackers and they say, I'm looking for someone
Speaker 1: who can wear that green dot because there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of them. And we've got a guy get that
Speaker 1: done a high level and again tackles well in his asystem.
Speaker 1: So I think again, is he is he the guy
Speaker 1: that he once was? No, but none of us. I
Speaker 1: don't have to say I'm not the guy was five
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: But gets what he is. He gonna be there, He
Speaker 3: gonna be there when you need him.
Speaker 2: He consisted, he don't miss games, He take care of
Speaker 2: his body and He's one of those leaders to don't
Speaker 2: lead with a lot of discs, but he he's vocal,
Speaker 2: but he does.
Speaker 1: But he does in a way that I think is undervalued.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that, it's like when you're in
Speaker 1: when you're around the team, he's the guy that like
Speaker 1: cuts up with you, like hey, for what's up? Many good?
Speaker 1: Like oh, like, man, your forehead looks crazy whatever, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, and that that brings people together,
Speaker 1: It brings locker room together in a way that like
Speaker 1: is undervalue.
Speaker 2: They get a study they say freends with each other, yeah,
Speaker 2: or four hundred percent more earnest with each other and
Speaker 2: tied it in each other.
Speaker 3: So oh, let's plus lendy, we should be riddy.
Speaker 1: And just a little fact checking. Uh, this will be
Speaker 1: twelve Trust's twelfth season. You're very close, Freddy. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So those are all the things that have happened so far.
Speaker 1: And again, we're recording this on Monday. Yes, we know
Speaker 1: that agency show comes out on Tuesday, so a lot
Speaker 1: of there's probably a lot more, a lot more information,
Speaker 1: But what we're going to do in the meantime, it's
Speaker 1: kind of do a little bit of a preview of
Speaker 1: free agency with risk it for the biscuit and should
Speaker 1: we resign our free agents. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: an interesting question.
Speaker 3: I'll glad to hunt other free agents.
Speaker 1: Yes, And this is presented by Marsh McLennon agency, your
Speaker 1: partner and risking people's strategies, and so one of the
Speaker 1: things before we get started, I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to say this is you need We're in a really
Speaker 1: interesting situation because we're kind of the commanders. You're kind
Speaker 1: of entering. You are not entering. You're in a playoff window, right.
Speaker 1: You need to get more talented. But in addition to
Speaker 1: get getting more talented, you also need more depth because
Speaker 1: one of the things about the last regime that was here,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of depth on the roster, right,
Speaker 1: so you need to kind of go get really talented
Speaker 1: pieces and then supplementary pieces, and then also supplement with
Speaker 1: the draft. So it's a very challenging.
Speaker 2: What you want to do is raise the floor in
Speaker 2: every room. I ain't worried about the ceiling right now.
Speaker 2: I need to raise the floor in every room.
Speaker 1: And so I think this leads us nicely to our
Speaker 1: first fan question. Michael asks, what's what missing pieces do
Speaker 1: we need in order to turn those post losses into
Speaker 1: dominant wins. Sorry, the quarters right in my face.
Speaker 2: I'm going the guys to smell like bacon. I want
Speaker 2: the guys all over three hundreds. And I'm talking about
Speaker 2: both sides, offense and defensively.
Speaker 3: The trench warfare is what win games.
Speaker 2: If we didn't learn anything in the Super Bowl, we
Speaker 2: learned you can have all the athletes behind the big lines.
Speaker 1: They matter.
Speaker 2: Because we've seen a team Kansas City Justice talented, it's
Speaker 2: Philadelphia until you get into the trenches. Like the trench
Speaker 2: warfare was one in that game. So I'm all about
Speaker 2: the guys that smell like bacon. And when I say
Speaker 2: add to that room, I want to add starters. So
Speaker 2: if that means somebody that started this year has to
Speaker 2: now go down the level, I just raised the floor
Speaker 2: in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the same way.
Speaker 4: I feel like you know when you look at great
Speaker 4: teams are hard to come by, and I think where
Speaker 4: the starts at is just up front. If I can
Speaker 4: run the football late in the season or through the
Speaker 4: whole year, I just saved myself.
Speaker 3: I save my quarterback A whole lot of you know.
Speaker 4: Now, because I can always rely on that running back
Speaker 4: to get us out of harm's weight, you know. And
Speaker 4: then I know we have the quarterback who can throw
Speaker 4: to anybody and everybody who can throw you open, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 4: So when you have a guy at the ham that
Speaker 4: you know you can trust in, what's the next best thing,
Speaker 4: protect them?
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. That's why we changed the game.
Speaker 4: We wanted to protect you know, Manny, And then he
Speaker 4: saw Tom say, I want to protect Tom. I want
Speaker 4: to keep these guys up because they make our league better.
Speaker 4: You know, our league is better when all these guys
Speaker 4: are healthy and we playing into the they're playing their
Speaker 4: teams are playing late into the postseason, and we get
Speaker 4: a chance to watch them come playoff time.
Speaker 3: So that's what you want for your young Jedi five.
Speaker 4: You want to make sure you're protecting him one by
Speaker 4: you know, pass blocking, and then the other way by
Speaker 4: stuffing that ball and whoever he's going to have in
Speaker 4: that backfield and us being able to get you know,
Speaker 4: move to change that way. And when you go to
Speaker 4: the other side of the ball. What was our problem
Speaker 4: stopping the run? You know what I mean, and it
Speaker 4: starts up front. So you know, we have so many
Speaker 4: skill guys. You talked about Bobby, talk about our safeties,
Speaker 4: our corners, all those guys had probably numbers was up
Speaker 4: when it came to tackles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't want that. But you don't want that.
Speaker 4: You want those guys that a front to be able to,
Speaker 4: you know, be stiff enough that those guys don't have
Speaker 4: to worry about getting into the place. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: just think, man, it's all about those guys up front
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: You get better there, man, you get better as a whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's one thing that's going to be
Speaker 1: tough though. In free agency, it is like, because teams
Speaker 1: understand that the league understands that they don't let a
Speaker 1: lot of talented free agents go. Talented offensive lineman hit
Speaker 1: free agents, But.
Speaker 4: Do you think we need one or two in both
Speaker 4: places and we get that much better?
Speaker 1: So I think that what this is, this is a
Speaker 1: great question. This is like a like the core philosophy
Speaker 1: of building a team. It's like, so I think, for
Speaker 1: this is an example, Ronnie Stanley already signed, but if
Speaker 1: you could have signed Ronnie Stanley, it's a game change
Speaker 1: and you could have bumped Brandon Coleman to wherever you
Speaker 1: phone right guard, right tackle, or guard whatever you needed
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, that's the kind of move for talking about.
Speaker 3: That's that floor going up.
Speaker 1: There's no no good like even like Walker little who's
Speaker 1: like the swing he was like he was a right
Speaker 1: tackle in Jacksonville. He resigned Aleric Jackson from LA who
Speaker 1: is going to be a left tackle in the market.
Speaker 1: He resigned. They if the guy's good teams, don't let
Speaker 1: them leave the.
Speaker 3: Little man bringing back a guy like Branda shere.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one to me too. Again he's so
Speaker 1: this is where I and this is a personal perspective.
Speaker 1: So if if, if you know, if they do re
Speaker 1: sign or they bring in Sheriff, I'd be ecstatic. But
Speaker 1: I want guys with a little bit of youth that
Speaker 1: we can build down. Like we just talked about with Bates,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit younger. He's a cornerstone piece beatist.
Speaker 1: I think is a great example that guys where you
Speaker 1: say they're going to be here for the next two
Speaker 1: or three years.
Speaker 3: How about we just steal Makay Bickton.
Speaker 1: That's what do you think about the figure like, do
Speaker 1: you like That's one thing about Mikay Beckton which I
Speaker 1: think is really interesting. Is he good outside of Philadelphia
Speaker 1: without that excellent offensive line?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm gonna keep h mc gord.
Speaker 2: I think they found like this like this, this like
Speaker 2: what happens to Kohlers when we lose a step.
Speaker 1: We moved to scaety. It just it happens.
Speaker 2: Moved me a little bit, father back off the ball
Speaker 2: and allowed me to use my mind.
Speaker 3: I believe he found the home at guard because he's
Speaker 3: in He ain't in space anymore. He's proved it in
Speaker 3: the league. I don't have the band to play tackle,
Speaker 3: but I don't need that being it going. I need
Speaker 3: to remove, I need to move people.
Speaker 1: Need to be big. It's big.
Speaker 3: It needs me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think those are some interesting names, but
Speaker 1: again those are interior players. And this is something like
Speaker 1: like larger philosophy of the offensive line. I think is interesting.
Speaker 1: Is I think maybe I'm an outliner. I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to find guards. He's easier to fight guards at centers.
Speaker 1: It is, And so when that tackle becomes available, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, you gotta find a way to grab it.
Speaker 1: I got a conversation with someone this offseason about San
Speaker 1: Francisco's offense and why they struggled so badly, and they
Speaker 1: were like, it's because they lost their playmaking left tackle,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it can have been that significant,
Speaker 1: But when you go watch the film, it makes everybody
Speaker 1: else worse when Trent's not playing. Yes, and so if
Speaker 1: you can find it doesn't need to be Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: But if you could just raise the floor at that position,
Speaker 1: move Coleman wherever he needs to move, it just gets everything.
Speaker 1: It raises the whole. So I just think it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to find. The point is in free agency, that's
Speaker 1: a tough fine. So that becomes a draft thing, which
Speaker 1: could be at twenty nine. But even then, like is
Speaker 1: that best player available?
Speaker 3: Could you trust Adam Peters to find another coal because
Speaker 3: talk about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a sneaky find.
Speaker 3: What I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I heard all all scenason on the radios that we
Speaker 2: don't off I thought the Alphas a lot stood up.
Speaker 3: I thought they played Walliam Can we fact?
Speaker 1: But I think that's the thing is like I think
Speaker 1: we all agree that they did it. Those guys, those
Speaker 1: five dudes, Yeah, I love those guys. Yeah, they played
Speaker 1: and even Trent Scott in there Deader put him in
Speaker 1: there too. They played their butts off. They played really well.
Speaker 1: But I want they just I just want to increase
Speaker 1: the town. Like you're saying, what's what you're saying to
Speaker 1: raise the floor. Improved the room, and you improve the room,
Speaker 1: and that's an easy way to do it in the
Speaker 1: same then, So I think that's the way we want
Speaker 1: to look at it. So that's one that I look at.
Speaker 1: I look at like wide receiver, No we obviously Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel allegedly will be here. I get it to keep saying,
Speaker 1: So you.
Speaker 2: Got three on the roster right now, this Terry McCaffrey
Speaker 2: and this DIBA on Wednesday, So there you go with
Speaker 2: three of them.
Speaker 1: But I do think that like Tanna, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you feel about it, but bringing in a another
Speaker 1: young resigning Diami resigning Noah one of those guys depending
Speaker 1: on the market, I think that's something you look at.
Speaker 1: Corner we talked about. I think I think, yes, safety
Speaker 1: is not about it getting a little bit younger at linebacker,
Speaker 1: having someone kind of in the wings, like in addition
Speaker 1: to mcgeegee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got Jeorge McGee.
Speaker 1: We've got McGee, and then defensive line, I think is
Speaker 1: another it's just basically every room. But I think that's
Speaker 1: the point. But then, so this is why frade has
Speaker 1: become so important because we had so many free agents.
Speaker 1: We got to resign some of our own guys, and
Speaker 1: then we got to find young talented piece you guys,
Speaker 1: because we don't because there's no jam and David Davis
Speaker 1: coming through the pipeline. There's no film because those guys
Speaker 1: couldn't cut it. Yeah, right, yeah, So we got to
Speaker 1: make good selective decisions here, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: this pher agency period is so incredibly interesting. Right, next
Speaker 1: question thoughts on Jack Sawyer the Edge out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: We did this. We ranked all of our defensive linemen
Speaker 1: on Take It to the Draft podcast, so make sure
Speaker 1: you check that on other podcasts. But I think this
Speaker 1: question kind of points to a larger issue, which is
Speaker 1: defensive line. This draft is incredibly talented on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: but there are some free agent pieces that again we
Speaker 1: can re sign or we can look at other spots
Speaker 1: to fill. What do you guys thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: You could file?
Speaker 4: I say, I'm always if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 4: You know, Don't get me wrong, I'm always I'm looking
Speaker 4: for us to get better. So if we have a
Speaker 4: guy in the room or in the building already, that's
Speaker 4: not going to cause us a pretty good.
Speaker 2: Penny saw it was the best pass rush on his
Speaker 2: own college team, really was j T.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom allowed.
Speaker 2: I thought hemer four four was the best pass rushing.
Speaker 2: So if I'm looking to add a guy, add him
Speaker 2: in the second round. Yeah, Like, I think that's a
Speaker 2: win win for everybody.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny when people start talking about picks, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well you go offensive line too. You
Speaker 1: are in the first round at twenty nine, and then
Speaker 1: in the second round you go defensive line. But we
Speaker 1: all got six.
Speaker 5: Picks, so you got you got to maximize how to
Speaker 5: maximize those picks, and you got to understand that when
Speaker 5: you are picking, because I think I think it's a
Speaker 5: big gap in picking, right.
Speaker 1: I think we got like three So I mean, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, you're picking at the end of the
Speaker 1: first you're picking at the end of the second, you're
Speaker 1: picking at the beginning roughly the beginning of the third.
Speaker 1: Then you don't pick it again like the fifth, sixth round. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think they traded the fifth. There's no fourth round
Speaker 1: pick anymore. Yeah, so it's a there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of space in there and then three agency. You know
Speaker 1: that's I was gonna say, Tanna, this is what I
Speaker 1: was bringing back to is because of that spacing, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to get uber talented people. So
Speaker 1: like Tanni's point where it's like Dante Fowler, like if
Speaker 1: the price is right Bach or if there's other people
Speaker 1: out there, there's a bunch of lists of frigens, you
Speaker 1: need to make sure that you supplement in fre agency. Also,
Speaker 1: that's the thing we're saying. It's like a draft, great,
Speaker 1: but now we got to build our team out. I
Speaker 1: heard someone say this the other day. I think it's
Speaker 1: exactly right. You want to make sure you're going into
Speaker 1: the draft not needing the drafty, thank you.
Speaker 2: You want to go best play available, Like, that's what
Speaker 2: good teams do, that's what we watch kidsy seeing it
Speaker 2: due then what Philadelphia've been doing for the last three years,
Speaker 2: Who is the best play availage that they.
Speaker 3: Fall I don't care.
Speaker 2: Run the name tag up and get him like this
Speaker 2: what good teams do. They don't go in trying to
Speaker 2: say I need this one player, two players at this
Speaker 2: draft to be a team.
Speaker 3: I'm just going into the best player man years. We
Speaker 3: watched New England Patriots do that. Yeah, they got it.
Speaker 3: They just got to steal it. I mean, like did
Speaker 3: they even need him?
Speaker 4: But then you find out they just knew that he
Speaker 4: was valuable enough to come in and add to what
Speaker 4: they was doing.
Speaker 1: So that's a great point. And so again that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about here. I know we're kind
Speaker 1: of roundabout way, but you need to fill this all out.
Speaker 1: Get so all the things we just talked about, your
Speaker 1: number two receiver depth on the old line, you need
Speaker 1: that needs to happen now. Yeah, and then you put
Speaker 1: the cherry on top with the talented young piece. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're what we're talking about. Okay,
Speaker 1: So next question is about managing the cap from Sean,
Speaker 1: do you think the depth at each position will take
Speaker 1: a hit if we make big free agent moves?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean how much money we I hate these types
Speaker 1: of questions because it's like, how much mone are we
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: But we're not talking about Josh Hallen's three hundred and thirty.
Speaker 1: So we have we have Jane Davis on it, we.
Speaker 3: Have them over there. Oh no, they are ready five
Speaker 3: million under the cap.
Speaker 1: That helps them, That helps them. It's crazy that number.
Speaker 3: You immediately think, oh, man.
Speaker 1: Because the cap appreciates each year, and so it's a
Speaker 1: five year deal, right, yeah, so you lock them in it,
Speaker 1: you lock them in for five years. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing that the chief did with Patrick Mahomes. They gave
Speaker 1: him like what is that half a billion hundred yeah,
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars or whatever. Half a billion dollars. Right,
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh my god, that's gonna kill him. But
Speaker 1: it sets the line you can plan four years outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he only make like thirty five million. Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. If the Josh Allen did it, I think
Speaker 2: he got too forty two seventy guaranteed.
Speaker 4: He's the second so he's here, it's like twenty something
Speaker 4: two million something right.
Speaker 2: To No, he got two hundred guarantee to twenty five.
Speaker 1: Can you believe he's the second highest paid quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: a second hand behind Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: I forgot I forgot all about making sixty a year.
Speaker 3: Lot of me.
Speaker 1: Yes, So you need to drive a duck. So talking
Speaker 1: about a team that screwed themselves up, you've got the
Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to put Dak.
Speaker 2: He's not with the two guys we just talked about.
Speaker 2: And I'm a Missippi stateable dog. You know how I
Speaker 2: feel about my bull dog. But he ain't no patch
Speaker 2: my home, and he ain't no Josh Like the worst
Speaker 2: thing you could ever do as a gym. I've studied
Speaker 2: it for years. It's overpay guys that are not on
Speaker 2: the level that you pay them. Your team can't bounce
Speaker 2: breach from that. Can think about this.
Speaker 3: I said the.
Speaker 2: Cowboys wouldn't succeed because of this. They pay their quarterback
Speaker 2: is he is. He is the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2: They hate they had the Lawrence. It's one of the
Speaker 2: highest paid pass rushing. He wasn't even in the top
Speaker 2: ten in his position.
Speaker 3: He play.
Speaker 2: Then you pay Diggs it's the best deep in the
Speaker 2: best corner and he ain't a.
Speaker 3: Top five corner.
Speaker 4: But to say all that, because we've been here before.
Speaker 4: We talked about that with the other guys. If they
Speaker 4: pull if they had a season leading into that payday
Speaker 4: that said that they deserve the payday. They only could
Speaker 4: pay him worth what all the other guys who you're
Speaker 4: talking about is get it. So at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, that's where they always find themselves in the situation.
Speaker 4: You get a player or two that goes out there
Speaker 4: and have a crazy year like Diggs. Dig had a
Speaker 4: crazy year. They had those picks, but you have to
Speaker 4: look at the underlying thing. And he gave up more
Speaker 4: yarns than any corner.
Speaker 2: But at least my negotiation, if I'm from office, exactly,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay you in the top five. But you
Speaker 2: would not mean you would not. And that's what Dallas.
Speaker 2: They just paid the detackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah what the game? One hundred dollarmost eighty seven. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, good player, Yeah, good player. I mean
Speaker 1: I actually think I don't know.
Speaker 4: Man, it's tough. It's tough being a gym. It's tough
Speaker 4: being a team that has to play play a guy.
Speaker 4: Because if remember for those years when Kirk was getting
Speaker 4: that money for one year and he getting one yet,
Speaker 4: but he's getting that much for that one year because
Speaker 4: that's where the cap, that's what the.
Speaker 3: Market said they deserved.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, Whether you like it or not,
Speaker 4: he's getting what his market value is.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that fans don't understandable talk. This
Speaker 1: is more of a value thing. So like Bill Williams,
Speaker 1: Evan's like, I'd pay million mill Williams twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, you know, for the next three years, which
Speaker 1: would you know, sixty million bucks? Sixty bucks, sixty million.
Speaker 1: That's fine. But the thing is you don't understand is
Speaker 1: in this free agency class there are not a lot
Speaker 1: of good players. Yeah, it's not so he's going to
Speaker 1: be at a premium, so he's going to get probably
Speaker 1: closer to twenty five. Yeah, and people like it. That's
Speaker 1: too much. It's like, well, that's the market.
Speaker 3: Especially when you compete, because there's.
Speaker 1: Because there's nobody else. So when you say DIGGI Zo
Speaker 1: got overpaid, like it feels like a big number, but
Speaker 1: it's also like that's the market because there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of good interior pass rushers available in trade.
Speaker 3: I love what the cowboys are doing.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying they do it anything you wrong,
Speaker 2: But I'm no bad I'm no bad stuff. When I
Speaker 2: see then what I'm telling you, And then you got
Speaker 2: realized that good dig you do with Dad.
Speaker 3: You still got it.
Speaker 1: You still got it.
Speaker 2: Negotiate with with Micah, with Michael posit now you won't
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: You said, feel like they're gonna screw up. It kind
Speaker 1: of feels like.
Speaker 3: They're going to blow it. Do we know they' gonna
Speaker 3: blow it?
Speaker 2: Like they going to blow it and he gonna end
Speaker 2: up taking lists to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So back to Shawn's question, do you think the depth
Speaker 1: of the positions will take a hit if we make
Speaker 1: big free agency? I don't know who you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: in this class, in this agency class, don't There's not
Speaker 1: like a guy where like, oh we gotta get this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh we gotta get this guy.
Speaker 2: It never happens like this, It never really has like
Speaker 2: a okay draft.
Speaker 3: In an okay free agency, usually.
Speaker 2: One of them is is out through the roof, like
Speaker 2: this is an okay draft.
Speaker 1: I'd say the top's not good, but the middle, the.
Speaker 3: Middle, it's good good, And it's just an okay free agent.
Speaker 2: I thought the trade the more better than the free
Speaker 2: agents that was available.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So again, like Sean, if you got somebody you're
Speaker 1: thinking about, like, I can't think of anybody, Like maybe
Speaker 1: you're thinking about Khalil Mack from from Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: resigned and I would have bet he bet my house
Speaker 1: that he would resign.
Speaker 2: He was come on leaving right, all right. But you
Speaker 2: guys got a trade, and I say, I think the trades.
Speaker 2: I bet it because you got hindrid.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing i'd say, because that maybe
Speaker 1: that's what he's talking about, is the trade Hendricks. The
Speaker 1: same thing is so interesting because I think you could
Speaker 1: easily afford him, and this is in the window. He's
Speaker 1: a very productive player. The thing that makes me nervous
Speaker 1: about him is you're giving up draft capital and.
Speaker 3: So we're giving up draft capital in the drel.
Speaker 1: So but I'll say this, we've already given up picks
Speaker 1: right for other trades we've done, like the debot trade,
Speaker 1: the Marshall animal trade. I think those are gonna fine trades.
Speaker 3: You can give away future pigs to. Now you don't
Speaker 3: have to be So.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like in it, we just talked
Speaker 1: about how we need to kind of fill the roster
Speaker 1: out and get hindred.
Speaker 3: You don't have to get away that first that first
Speaker 3: or that second. With some I don't think you have
Speaker 3: to give away first because.
Speaker 1: We think so we know the situation. So the word
Speaker 1: on the street, word on the street as they're asking
Speaker 1: for our first, and I.
Speaker 3: Would glad to get it up. Do you know how
Speaker 3: many sexties? Man is?
Speaker 1: But then you got to pay him and then you say,
Speaker 1: does that one player raise the floor of the team.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me a little bit of like
Speaker 1: the L. A. Rams a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: they brought in Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3: Yeah Jalen or yeah yeah Ja.
Speaker 1: So you bring him in and that team was ready.
Speaker 1: They were one piece away. I'm asking you one piece away.
Speaker 1: And if Adam does this and he thinks we're one
Speaker 1: piece away, I totally support Adam. But right now, as
Speaker 1: of the seven, I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I can say it is we are in
Speaker 2: dire need of a A plus paish rush.
Speaker 1: Everybody is, yes, I mean unless you're Cleveland.
Speaker 2: So how we acquire him? I don't really care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want to get a guy that makes the
Speaker 2: other team say assignment number one, but stop ninety one.
Speaker 1: So the thing about this with Hendricks is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's awesome. I mean when you look at his numbers,
Speaker 1: like he's the most he's outside of Miles Garrett, he's
Speaker 1: the most productive pass rusher since they've both come in
Speaker 1: the league. Like, he's awesome. The problem is like if
Speaker 1: you said, hey, man, i'll give you a third and
Speaker 1: I'll pick and I'm giving him an extension. The reason
Speaker 1: you're trading him is because you won't do it. That
Speaker 1: seems like good value to me. But if you want
Speaker 1: to first and a third and I gotta pay the contract.
Speaker 2: And I say, the leverage is for me now the buyer,
Speaker 2: because he don't want to be there and you don't
Speaker 2: want to pay.
Speaker 1: It, so you're gonna take what I offer. Basically, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not the prisoner here. You are because you're cheap,
Speaker 2: mister Brown.
Speaker 3: You are. Don't realize you're still gonna probably lose. I
Speaker 3: feel it in my bone. They're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Jamal Chase.
Speaker 2: No not, I'm telling you because they're playing these Jedi min.
Speaker 1: They is playing they Joe Burrow retired and cheap.
Speaker 3: Mister Brown.
Speaker 4: No, that's why he's being cheap because he understands he
Speaker 4: has to pay that dude, that's for you. That's forty
Speaker 4: million a year coming out as his thing right now, Like.
Speaker 2: He just said, he went the GM said, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it should have been paid. I can't
Speaker 2: have the highest paid quarterback, highest paid wire, and the
Speaker 2: highest paid prayers.
Speaker 3: He said, I can't pay three people at the top.
Speaker 3: That's why you know, Hindricks gonna be gone. Oh h's
Speaker 3: it go.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta feeling that they're going to say
Speaker 2: this Steve Bush to move on is okay?
Speaker 3: We got to move on from Hendrix. He got his
Speaker 3: way up paid T Higgins twenty five.
Speaker 2: He signed to trade Jama Chase get two three first round.
Speaker 4: Let's dude and repeal your team. Not a bad it's
Speaker 4: not a bad idea. But I just don't see them
Speaker 4: doing that to borrow because would freak. You can, bro,
Speaker 4: he gonna lose his top.
Speaker 1: Me, dude, he's gonna pull. He's gonna pull Carson Palmer. Yeah, cars.
Speaker 3: He said, get me out of here.
Speaker 1: And he was like, he retired, you retired and then
Speaker 1: came and then he was like, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come back down.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: That's how bad he was upset, But so My point
Speaker 1: is back to this original question. Shawn's question is we
Speaker 1: have enough money, we could do kind of whatever we
Speaker 1: want to say so, but it just depends on like
Speaker 1: who you want to give it to you because right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, this is the guy we got to
Speaker 1: give him money, but.
Speaker 2: I want to give it to somebody that's proven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Trey Anderson is proven.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I get a little bit worried about the dollars
Speaker 1: and cents of it not not paying him, because I
Speaker 1: think the extension would be totally worth it, especially because
Speaker 1: he's as a top three pass rusher right now, top
Speaker 1: four pass rusher. But it's the draft capital in conjunction
Speaker 1: with the pay that makes me a little bit nervous.
Speaker 1: But like Fred said, he's a known commodity. He's very good.
Speaker 1: Just what are they asking for If they're asking for
Speaker 1: a first and a third, I'm like, bro, I got
Speaker 1: other stuff. I got to take care of her.
Speaker 3: But I'll get you a third and the third THIRDXT year.
Speaker 1: And they'll see what they they'll see if that gets done.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's kind of what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: So for me, yeah, you have enough money. Rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: contract It's just the free agency class is a little
Speaker 1: bit like lah, like, are you gonna like Milton Williams
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat? And to me, both those guys feel like
Speaker 1: guys that Fred talked about earlier where you're going to
Speaker 1: be paying them more than what their production is going
Speaker 1: to be. So that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 2: And I asked, you say, if if I want to
Speaker 2: pay Mealt in his sweat, am I doing it to
Speaker 2: spite the Eagles?
Speaker 3: I mean and talent?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe subtract there and here. Yeah, So that's kind
Speaker 1: of our thought on that question, Sean. Hopefully that's a
Speaker 1: good answer. So nice one. Setting expectations from DJ. Do
Speaker 1: you think our offensive playmakers could put up stats similar
Speaker 1: to what we saw from the playmakers in Detroit?
Speaker 3: Do the emoji?
Speaker 1: You don't know how we know. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: keeping a book.
Speaker 3: So he's saying, can't Arry put up the stairs?
Speaker 1: That offers what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So he said, can Terry put up the numbers? Saint
Speaker 3: Brown put up? Can can we?
Speaker 1: So basically I read this question like, can we have
Speaker 1: a number one offense next year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And can Deebo put up the numbers? Like a Jameson
Speaker 2: wig like then we said, can we put up those numbers?
Speaker 3: But friend, we can say what the hell we want
Speaker 3: to say that.
Speaker 1: I think we gotta look at We've gotta pump our
Speaker 1: brakes on this a little bit because we need to
Speaker 1: know who's on the team.
Speaker 3: I try to keep it realistic.
Speaker 1: We've got three wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I don't know, we don't know who we got. And well,
Speaker 3: you know what, DJ, yes, we can't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, DJ, he gonna talk, he gonna talk of sowing,
Speaker 4: is not DJ, so on don't.
Speaker 2: Believe what he said anything like you because the last
Speaker 2: time we went the Motowle we beat up mister Ford.
Speaker 3: We went up at it and kicked in the know it.
Speaker 3: The record from Stot listen to all I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying is we got the quarterback, we got the offensive mine.
Speaker 3: We add playmakers daily.
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, we got a guy that could turn
Speaker 2: the screen into you know, a sixty yard like. Yes,
Speaker 2: I feel good. I'm not finna say we're gonna beat
Speaker 2: Detroit now. Are we're gonna be throwing to the town
Speaker 2: into the guard. No, we will be as long as
Speaker 2: you got Jed I five, We'll be a good office.
Speaker 4: DJ I think we're gonna be good, but I yeah, just.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like I don't even know who's
Speaker 1: the who's the receiver? Like who? Like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing right now?
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you how I know you're just told us.
Speaker 1: In four I will say, you are confident.
Speaker 3: If you don't believe, nobody can believe.
Speaker 1: So I hope, I hope it all works out. But
Speaker 1: it's like there's twenty nine new new people gonna be
Speaker 1: on this team. That show. It's a new team, so
Speaker 1: like we got to see how it all jels together,
Speaker 1: it all comes together.
Speaker 2: That quarterback could be a year old quarterbacks of ball
Speaker 2: lifts the ball er, Yeah you know Areas the ball
Speaker 2: or Jackson baller.
Speaker 1: All those things are true. But it's a new group
Speaker 1: of guys.
Speaker 4: They had something going on back there with that that
Speaker 4: sonic and all your boy that I ain't seen.
Speaker 3: I don't think nobody matched that. Well listen, you don't
Speaker 3: you know you don't meet Jamar Gibbs and Giants grocery store.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Now, getting one of those like.
Speaker 2: See that's there between an suv and a sports that's
Speaker 2: now I don't know, if you know, a sports cut
Speaker 2: low to the ground so you get out of their fans.
Speaker 2: When I seen Jami Gibbs run, damn, they gave me
Speaker 2: whip ladder fast.
Speaker 3: Dude's face, did you ever?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you guys been a high school
Speaker 1: game and there's like that one kid who's just don't
Speaker 1: belong in the second they get into space, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh God, the worst thing that's ever happened. That's how
Speaker 1: you felt, was I felt watching him.
Speaker 4: I watched Gibbs get the ball and I was there
Speaker 4: and I told be missed.
Speaker 3: I ain't seen he made six people miss in the.
Speaker 4: Circle and they was just all there he was and
Speaker 4: he would I say, bro, I ain't seen nothing like
Speaker 4: that with.
Speaker 3: The fastest Jamar Gibb.
Speaker 2: But Jameis James Jameson, Willis Jameson's different.
Speaker 1: Because it's because look he's got guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's different because he's running route. So you know,
Speaker 4: the courtback gotta get the balls. Yeah, this guy, you
Speaker 4: just give him the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the thing. There's a difference between
Speaker 1: in my experience, like the acceleration and just straight.
Speaker 2: So you say, in the ten year old days. I
Speaker 2: think getting forty out one hundred, you said, Williams.
Speaker 4: Wims and whims and just wims and effortlessly got that
Speaker 4: reverse and just was like.
Speaker 1: And then he gave.
Speaker 3: I gave you more than three. It comes to the
Speaker 3: t I know he finna go give it a third pup.
Speaker 1: I'm on an idiot like that.
Speaker 3: I know that ticket. I was crying.
Speaker 4: That's just why you lose games like that, because you
Speaker 4: got to it on your team.
Speaker 3: They're just doing.
Speaker 2: Look like, I know, you gotta have at least three
Speaker 2: idiots every time I see I talk to him like that.
Speaker 3: That took that job. I'm going back home, man, facing
Speaker 3: like I'm just tying. Because we know a personally and
Speaker 3: a good new Christian Newey.
Speaker 2: William I can see him coming in every day tom
Speaker 2: Foolery with their Tomfoolery.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's gonna do for this show on Tomllery.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're obviously really excited for the free agency,
Speaker 1: for the draft, the team building process. Man, we can't
Speaker 1: wait to see what Hadden Peters in this app does
Speaker 1: putting this thing together. So make sure you stay tuned. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Wednesday's Wednesday is a big day. We'll have a reaction
Speaker 1: to that, probably next week sometime where all the pieces
Speaker 1: will be in we will talk more about kind of
Speaker 1: the comprehensive vision for this team. But until next week,
Speaker 1: that's it. See