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Speaker 1: Alec Pears. This is the Official Colts Podcast, giving you

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Speaker 1: present Weekend Week Out by win Bet. This week we're

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. It's two twenty three, thirty sixth

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Speaker 1: We're on Radio Row, but JJ Stangobitz signed Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: One of the busiest weeks of the off season has started.

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Speaker 1: guy for the Bears, Brandon Faber. Yes, are you kidding? No,

427
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I know I know a couple of Hoosiers

428
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Speaker 1: there for you. So, yeah, we just got off topic.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was meant to tell you that before

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Speaker 1: we started the podcast, but we started. Great. Well, now

431
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Speaker 1: you just told us live on the podcast. Yeah, so awesome, yeh.

432
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Speaker 1: But but I was like, I don't know, I mean,

433
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Speaker 1: and I don't think the Colts know. Right now, you

434
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Speaker 1: have your draft board, and we talked about this with

435
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah about that your draft board is anchored, so

436
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Speaker 1: you don't have wild swings based on what you see

437
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Speaker 1: at the combine. But it's it's you still have a

438
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Speaker 1: lot of evaluating to do right now with the combine

439
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Speaker 1: at Pro Days, for those top thirty visits in the

440
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Speaker 1: next month month, there's going to be a lot of

441
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Speaker 1: that that stills to go on to finalize your draft board,

442
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Speaker 1: which usually doesn't happen until some time in April. All right,

443
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Speaker 1: one quick thing I want to get into before we

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Speaker 1: bring on Eric Edholme from NFL dot Com to talk

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Speaker 1: more in depth about the draft Lara. Last week we

446
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Speaker 1: chatted with Rick Venturry on the podcast, and among all

447
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Speaker 1: the topics that we got into, Rick, by the way,

448
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Speaker 1: you know that the offseason seems long when you don't

449
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Speaker 1: have I know, I know, they'll say me. You know

450
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Speaker 1: the view from his bell. He's taking a nap right now,

451
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Speaker 1: probably wearing a Jimmy Buffett shirts. Yeah, he is not

452
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Speaker 1: at a at a building management meeting. I can tell

453
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Speaker 1: you that. Um. But among the many things he got into,

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Speaker 1: he talked about the amount of quote unquote would players

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Speaker 1: the Colts have and how they stack up against the

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Speaker 1: top teams in the a f C, the teams that

457
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Speaker 1: are in the divisional round going to the AFC Championship game.

458
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Speaker 1: Rick believes that most NFL rosters are comparable. They're constructed

459
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Speaker 1: in the same ways. You know, players twelve to fifty

460
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Speaker 1: three on Team A are comparable to Team BE your

461
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Speaker 1: team in terms of the back end players. But it's

462
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Speaker 1: it's the top end players, right, It's the wow players

463
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Speaker 1: that premium players at premium positions kill me if you've

464
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Speaker 1: if you've heard that before. Um, but I think he's right.

465
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Speaker 1: I agree with Rick in a lot of ways, and

466
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Speaker 1: how he sees the game. But that's what I really

467
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Speaker 1: believe with rick In and that how many top end

468
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Speaker 1: players do you have? And are my top end players

469
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Speaker 1: better than yours? That that separates the good teams from

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Speaker 1: the great teams. So with that in mind, I thought

471
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Speaker 1: we would spend some time and look take a hard

472
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Speaker 1: microscope to the Colt's roster. Here. How many quote unquote

473
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Speaker 1: wow players the Colts have. Let's start on offense. How

474
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Speaker 1: many Wow players are there on offense? And why are

475
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Speaker 1: they Wow players? Is this only based on last season

476
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Speaker 1: or is this based on collective careers all the players

477
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Speaker 1: on the Colts roster with where they're at in their careers. Okay,

478
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Speaker 1: so Jonathan Taylor's my first, you know, WOW player that

479
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Speaker 1: I would say, true, true difference makers. I would say

480
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Speaker 1: WOW player, Definitely, Jonathan Taylor. I would say Quentin Nelson,

481
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Speaker 1: I'd put him up there. You know, all pro you know,

482
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Speaker 1: pro bowler year in, year out, Uh, type of player.

483
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Speaker 1: I do think that. You know, Alec Pierce and Gelannie

484
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Speaker 1: Woods to me are WOW guys significantly in that regard. Uh.

485
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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman I would consider in that conversation as well.

486
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Speaker 1: Those are just a handful of the guys from the

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Speaker 1: offensive perspective that that come to mind right now. I know,

488
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Speaker 1: I'm probably there's some glaring omissions, I'm sure, but I

489
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Speaker 1: don't I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so,

490
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Speaker 1: and which is why we're having fullying. And the thing

491
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Speaker 1: is that that's why I ask kind of collectively the

492
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Speaker 1: bigger picture question, because I think that guys like Gilani

493
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Speaker 1: and Alec will develop like they had Wow moments, and

494
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Speaker 1: I think they will be WOW players. Maybe they weren't

495
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Speaker 1: that each and every week because they're still rookies. They're

496
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Speaker 1: still developing, and they had God bless them, three different

497
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks over the course of the season as well. But

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Speaker 1: I do consider kind of all of those guys in

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Speaker 1: that very conversation, I would put I agree with you,

500
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Speaker 1: but I would put see if this makes sense, I

501
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Speaker 1: would put Pittman Pierce in woods and with Pierson Woods,

502
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Speaker 1: primarily because they've only played one year and like you said,

503
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Speaker 1: they had some instability around them on offense last year.

504
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Speaker 1: I would put those guys more in the bucket of

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Speaker 1: the WOLLA. They're WOL players so, but they are not

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Speaker 1: WOW players yet. Where I would set the bucket is

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Speaker 1: you the guys you mentioned Lara, I think is a

508
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Speaker 1: really good group. But you have quentnin Nelson and Jonathan Taylor,

509
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Speaker 1: two guys who probably were not wold players in twenty

510
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Speaker 1: twenty two. Quinne Elson has talked about how he he

511
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Speaker 1: knows he needs to play better, he knows he's gonna

512
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Speaker 1: need to do is not so much. His fault was

513
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Speaker 1: by product that injury situation and no carousel of offensive line.

514
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Speaker 1: And you take those two guys and then Woods and Pierce,

515
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Speaker 1: who are guys we think can be wild players, but

516
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Speaker 1: we haven't seen it consistently yet because they're rookies. Correct.

517
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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior I think is in that boat. I

518
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Speaker 1: would include him in there too. One quick thing on

519
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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior. There's hardly been a Davis offseason. I

520
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Speaker 1: have not seen that guy in the building. He is

521
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Speaker 1: working and grinding and putting in absolutely everything. So there

522
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Speaker 1: should be zero questions. I mean, I don't know that

523
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Speaker 1: there are, but no questions about the commitment that Michael

524
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Speaker 1: Pittman has made going into this upcoming season. But the

525
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Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make with those guys is like

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Speaker 1: you can poke holes in it and be like, Wow,

527
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Speaker 1: they weren't that last year. They maybe they will be,

528
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Speaker 1: but we don't know. There really aren't. To me, there

529
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Speaker 1: aren't that many WOW players in the NFL. There you

530
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Speaker 1: got Travis Kelsey, that is a WOW player. You know

531
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Speaker 1: exactly what you're getting out of him every single year,

532
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Speaker 1: Like he is a wold player. AJ Brown, But coming

533
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Speaker 1: into this year a J. Brown was not considered a

534
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Speaker 1: slam dunk wild player as can he go over the middle,

535
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Speaker 1: you know? Or can he do stuff other than go

536
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Speaker 1: over the middle? Can he get the deep ball? He did?

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Speaker 1: You know? Tyree Hill is a wold player, a guy

538
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Speaker 1: like Christian McCaffrey, but he's been banged up. You know,

539
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Speaker 1: there aren't But coming into this year, same thing. Se

540
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Speaker 1: Quon was not super productive. You've been banged up a

541
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Speaker 1: little bit. What I'm trying to say is there are

542
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Speaker 1: not that many of those guys who are not you know,

543
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Speaker 1: your top couple quarterbacks or you're just like those guys

544
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Speaker 1: like Trent Williams wild player. But how many other left

545
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: tackles are you saying that guy is a wold player?

546
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: You know? So what I'm this is a long winded

547
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Speaker 1: way of saying I don't think it's super concerning that

548
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Speaker 1: the Colts. Maybe you're listening to this and you're thinking, Wow,

549
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that guy's a wild player, because

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Speaker 1: I think most other teams around the unfell are questioning

551
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Speaker 1: how many of those guys they have. Maybe wow players

552
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: not the right way to put it, but just difference

553
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Speaker 1: makers like top top in players, guys that you would

554
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Speaker 1: classify these are my top ten players that directly impact

555
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: the game. And that's okay if it's a left tackle,

556
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Speaker 1: because what he's doing, he's keeping the quarterback up right,

557
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: he's not giving up sex, He's productive in the running game,

558
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: so therefore he impacts the game in a very positive way. Yes,

559
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Speaker 1: I agree, there's only a couple of Jamar chases, right,

560
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: There's only a couple of elite pass rushers in the NFL.

561
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Speaker 1: But again, I just go back to the fact that

562
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Speaker 1: are the cults players at those premium spots. How do

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Speaker 1: they stack up compared to the teams that we're seeing

564
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Speaker 1: going deep into the play. Another way to describe him,

565
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Speaker 1: this is how Rick always likes to talk about ambient gas,

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Speaker 1: the ones that keep you up at night. These are

567
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Speaker 1: the guys, if I get beat. They're not going to

568
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Speaker 1: beat me. Yeah, I'm gonna get beat some other way. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's sort of what we're going for when

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Speaker 1: we describe Wold players, and I think those guys are Taylor,

571
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Speaker 1: Nelson and Pittman. Good conversation on offense, layer on defense.

572
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Speaker 1: Who are the wild players for the Colts on that

573
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Speaker 1: side of the football right now? Start with DeForest Buckner

574
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Speaker 1: for sure, you go, I'm gonna say, Grover Stewart, I

575
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Speaker 1: would put him in that conversation. I'd probably put Unique

576
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Speaker 1: and Goackway in there from last year as well, Stefan Gilmore,

577
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Speaker 1: no doubt, Shack Leonard, no doubt. I'm gonna put Zaire

578
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Franklin up there as well, um must And whilst we

579
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Speaker 1: got there, I think that's probably your list on defense also,

580
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Speaker 1: I'm just randomly bleeding by the way. It was just like, oh, no,

581
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Speaker 1: I know I have as yeah, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: Medical Madack. You know I would put in there from

583
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Speaker 1: last year. Rodney McCleod. Yeah, yeah, he's really good. Yeah, absolutely,

584
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Speaker 1: but a guy who elevated everyone else around right too

585
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Speaker 1: in terms of like difference maker, not just in terms

586
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Speaker 1: of his play on the field. But what he brought

587
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: in terms of that entire person. We're talking about Gus

588
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Speaker 1: coming back. We haven't seen this Gus Bradley defense with

589
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Speaker 1: Shack Leonard in it. What does that? Do? You know?

590
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Speaker 1: If the one real criticism you have of this defense

591
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: is they didn't take the ball away enough, well, okay,

592
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: let's go get the maniac back in there, who you

593
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: know can not the galls out of here? Yeah, I

594
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Speaker 1: mean the guy creating turnovers at the off ball linebacker position.

595
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Speaker 1: I think the way that this defense is constructed with

596
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Speaker 1: Buck and Grove in the middle. You're seeing so many

597
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Speaker 1: other defenses around the NFL have those elite defensive tackle pairings,

598
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Speaker 1: and how prevalent that is becoming where teams are saying

599
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Speaker 1: we want to invest in those two spots in the

600
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Speaker 1: three tech in the one tech, and the Colts have

601
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Speaker 1: that in Buck and Grover Stewart. All right, last one hypothetical.

602
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Bear with me on this one. Okay, let's say the

603
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: quarterback evaluation is is pretty even. I'm not saying that

604
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Speaker 1: it is. I don't. We have no idea what the

605
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Colts quarterback evaluation and how that hierarchy stacks out. But

606
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Speaker 1: if it's even Lara, Should the Colts stay at number

607
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Speaker 1: four so that they keep their first round pick for

608
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Speaker 1: next year, they keep their second round pick this year,

609
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Speaker 1: their third round pick this year so that they draft

610
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Speaker 1: more wild players on either offense or defense. Nope, nope,

611
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: you said nothing, and you said nope. I say, even

612
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: if you think because quarterback matters that much, the quarterback

613
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: matters that much, and give yourself the problem of having

614
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: all the options. Yeah, yeah, give yourself that decision to make,

615
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: not what you're left over with, even if they are

616
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: all the same. This allows you to do the hard

617
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: work on each and every one of them and trust

618
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Speaker 1: in your process in selecting them and having you know

619
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Speaker 1: that that pinnacle of a selection with number one overall.

620
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had so many picks over so many years.

621
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Speaker 1: I mean I just having more, you know, second and

622
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Speaker 1: third and fourth rounders, Like, what is that? How much

623
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Speaker 1: of the WOW players are you getting there? I mean

624
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Speaker 1: you can get I'm sure, But with the Colts being

625
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: in the situation that they are, I just think you

626
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: leave absolutely nothing to chance. Make the move, go there,

627
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: and then give yourself the options of finding even if

628
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: all things are similar, not they're not all gonna fit

629
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: your system, and fit your philosophy and fit your culture

630
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: the exact same way. So find the guy who does.

631
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: Find the guy who Shane Steiken has fired up about

632
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: to build an offense around, who he feels like he

633
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: can develop. Make sure that, yeah, yeah, so you're not

634
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: facing him twice a year precisely. Yeah. The one thing

635
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I'll push back on is, I think this year I've

636
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Speaker 1: I've talked to a couple of people who sort of

637
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Speaker 1: equated this year's quarterback class to the twenty eighteen class,

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Speaker 1: where there are a lot of quarterback needy teams, but

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00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't the consensus number one overall guy that year.

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Speaker 1: And the first quarterback taken was Baker Mayfield by the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, the second the New York Jets traded up

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Speaker 1: with the Colts to go get Sam Darnold. The third

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Speaker 1: was Josh Allen, the fourth was Josh Rosen, the best

644
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Speaker 1: quarterback of that bunch by Miles was the third guy taken,

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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen, okay, just is fine. But was Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen the number one person that the Bills wanted? And

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Speaker 1: then if that makes complete sense, you know, that's what

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Speaker 1: if Josh Allen, if the Bills had moved up to

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Speaker 1: number one and gotten Josh Allen, they still would have

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Speaker 1: gotten Josh r. Never, the Bills never would have picked

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Speaker 1: Baker Makefield at one because they were never going right

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Speaker 1: to do that. But that's the dance that you have

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Speaker 1: to play at this time of year. Is that knowing

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Speaker 1: that your board may not look like the Texans board

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Speaker 1: or the Panther's board, of the Falcon's board, of the

656
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Raiders board. Your board might have a guy who you think,

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Speaker 1: even if he's the third guy that's the third quarterbacks

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00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: that's taken, we think he's the best and we feel

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Speaker 1: confident he'll be the third quarterback taken. Because if the

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Speaker 1: Bills had this conviction on Josh Allen, they would have

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Speaker 1: tried to move up to where the Colts were right

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Speaker 1: at three. They would have tried to do whatever they could.

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Speaker 1: They would try to trade up to two with the

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Speaker 1: Giants or four with the Browns. There were avenues that

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00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: they could have gone, and they had to move up farther.

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Speaker 1: I think they came from like twenty one or something.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it doesn't always have to play

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Speaker 1: out where you need to trade away those assets to

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Speaker 1: go get your guy there. There could be a draft

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Speaker 1: where your guy you feel confident he's going to be

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Speaker 1: there at four no matter what the other three teams pick.

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Speaker 1: How do you do? I love it. That's what makes

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00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: this time of year so much fun because I speculation,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and then I I agree with

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Speaker 1: with bits of pieces of over here and pieces well,

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00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: I means I'm bits and pieces of both of you.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes this so fascinating. And we still got

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: a month and a half to go. Yeah, we told

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00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: a month and a half to guide out. Doesn't that

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00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: just kind of like it's just moralizing. My head already

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00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: hurts on it. So let's bring in somebody that can

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00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: talk more about all this in depth. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the Colts roster, Bryce Young and Will Levis and the like.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk now with Eric at Holme NFL dot com,

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Speaker 1: one of our favorites, formerly of Yahoo, now covering the

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Speaker 1: league for the league. Eric is with us here on

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Speaker 1: the Combine Radio Row. We continue on here on Radio Row.

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Speaker 1: We're at the NFL Scouting Combine twenty twenty three home

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Speaker 1: base downtown Indianapolis. I'm Matt Taylor with JJ Stangob It's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure right now to be joined with our

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Speaker 1: good bud. We talked to him every year multiple times

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Speaker 1: because he's that good. Eric at home now NFL Insider

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Speaker 1: formerly from Yahoo. Now you're getting a big paycheck, the

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Speaker 1: big gun from NFL dot com. Man, what's up? I

695
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Speaker 1: think it just means I'm allowed to like walk into

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Speaker 1: like two more buildings than I was. I say that,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think that's really Look at you. You

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Speaker 1: got the green landyard, you know. Yeah, I've come over

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Speaker 1: to the other side. When you have you have more.

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Speaker 1: No one can see this. This is an audio medium,

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Speaker 1: but this is dumb. You have more little squares filled

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Speaker 1: out on your bingo board on your own What does

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Speaker 1: what does the W mean? Does that mean you go

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Speaker 1: into the jaw? Is that what that means? I thought

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Speaker 1: I could go there before? You know. It's funny. They

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Speaker 1: warned me. They sit down to Rimmer, don't don't photograph

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Speaker 1: your credential. Apparently somebody gotten really big trouble a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago. That's happened making fake ideas or something. No,

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Speaker 1: when I come when I covered the World Series, they

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Speaker 1: we were told you have to remove any photo that

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Speaker 1: has your credential in it, because even if it's a

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Speaker 1: grainy you know, you could barely see what's on it,

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Speaker 1: someone could photo copy that, turn it into a fake

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Speaker 1: credential and get in. I'm not doing it. Don't do it, brother. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it's always glad to have you here, no matter what

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Speaker 1: capacity it's in. Um when you come back to Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: and does it just make sense? I mean, are you

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00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: how glad are you that the Combine is still here

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Speaker 1: for you? For all of us? Yeah? And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I shouldn't. I should say I'm on the

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Speaker 1: committee to get paid for promoting the event. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: kidding out, I really I personally, I love Indianapolis and

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Speaker 1: I love the Combine being here. They did kind of

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Speaker 1: re you know, alter the room a little bit. I

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00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: walked in and went, oh, okay, a little different. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best host. There's a rhythm to

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Speaker 1: the week. You know where you're going, you know where

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Speaker 1: to meet people, you know where to look for folks.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, technically don't need to walk outside, which

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Speaker 1: I like that option. Although you know, I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: a big guy in the a little cooler every now,

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Speaker 1: but now it's it's really great and it's also great

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Speaker 1: to hear you know, Chris Ballard and all the other

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Speaker 1: codes Colts folks sort of make sure they give that

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Speaker 1: endorsement to bring it back, and so we hope, we

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Speaker 1: hope you get another year or five or ten or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, big picture question, what are you from an

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com standpoint? You gotta have your pulse on everything.

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Speaker 1: What are you tracking? What are the most intriguing story

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Speaker 1: lines for you early on here in the company? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's sort of the musical chairs. A quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: And obviously you know you you'd put the Colts in

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Speaker 1: that picture two and you have for agency you had

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Speaker 1: with car and those guys. You have trade possibilities with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You have the draft. There could be for

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Speaker 1: you know, who knows top fourteen fifteen picks in this

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00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: year's draft a quarterback. So you know, then again last

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Speaker 1: year we thought there might be a couple or two

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Speaker 1: or three first rounders and we only had one and

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Speaker 1: then a big gap. So there's you know, it's a

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: little bit of an unknown draft landscape from that perspective.

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: How they do this week, how they do it. Their

753
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: pro day certainly matters a little bit. But yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is also kind of the touchdowe of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: launching point for free agency because all the agents are

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: here too, so there's no shortage of storylines. But I'm

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00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: doing mostly draft stuff, So happy to go wherever you know,

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00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: you guys want to want to talk about. So I

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Speaker 1: want to start here. Eric, give me. Give me the

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Speaker 1: dominoes that need to fall before if there is going

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Speaker 1: to be a trade up to number one, if that's

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Speaker 1: the Colts, if that's another team. Yeah, what dominoes need

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00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: to fall before that becomes a realistic possibility for that

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Speaker 1: to be executed, that trade. Yeah, and I think it's

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00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: already kind of started. You heard from the Bears brass

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00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: this morning kind of talking about Justin Fields. I don't

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00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: know if it was a full endorsement, it certainly sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's going to be their quarterback next year. That means,

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Speaker 1: in a reasonable world, Number one is for sale and

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Speaker 1: it's possible they could trade down twice too. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that's something that they've looked into. I found it very

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Speaker 1: interesting too that Ryan Polzer GM. I wasn't there, but

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Speaker 1: I saw some of the comments that it may not

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Speaker 1: just be a draft pick for draft pick trade. They

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Speaker 1: might be willing to entertain bringing on veterans, So that

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Speaker 1: would that opens the possibility some teams will say we

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Speaker 1: want the picks or we know or we want specific

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Speaker 1: things or whatever. It sounds like they're willing to kind

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Speaker 1: of consider all offers, no matter whether they include future picks,

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Speaker 1: current picks, players, young, old, what have you. So that

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Speaker 1: kind of adds another layer to it. Was like, the

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Speaker 1: Bears are ready to do business, and I think that

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Speaker 1: first Domino's kind of come down. When do you think

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00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: that could happen? Yeah, post free agency by a week

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Speaker 1: or is it all the way into April? If I

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Speaker 1: call and you guys would have a better memory of this,

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Speaker 1: the trade from three to six, then Land and Quenton

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Speaker 1: Nelson Patrick's day, I was just gonna say, I would

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Speaker 1: say mid March, right, you know, that was basically I

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Speaker 1: think the first week of free agency, right, and this

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Speaker 1: year it's March fifteenth, so that would make sense the

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Speaker 1: same same time frame, right. That feels like a possibility.

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Speaker 1: We have seen trades happen beforehand, and then obviously they

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Speaker 1: get executed on the first day of business. Or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, if if it's tempting to sit

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Speaker 1: there as the Bears and say I want to wait

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Speaker 1: for all the good offers, I want to wait. You know,

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Speaker 1: as many people who don't get free agent quarterbacks or

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Speaker 1: can't trade for a guy, we want them all lined up.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like selling your house, right,

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Speaker 1: you want as many bitters as possible, But waiting too

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Speaker 1: long can work against you. Wait, you know, going too

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Speaker 1: quickly may not be the right move. It's it's we

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Speaker 1: all don't live in your house. Okay, it's my wife

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00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: NFL dot com stuff, all right, we get it. You

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Speaker 1: make a lot of money, way more. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you so, looking at looking at your mock draft, you

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Speaker 1: haven't look at that. It's not good. No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: It's a couple of weeks old. It is a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks old. I'm sure there's probably an updated one, yeah, soon.

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Speaker 1: But just just to just to play this out, You've

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Speaker 1: Houston taken Bryce Young at number two. Overall, you've got

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Speaker 1: Jailing Carter going first to the Bears. You got Will

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Speaker 1: Anderson going third to the Cardinals, and then Will Levis

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Speaker 1: going forth to the Colts, just ballparking why you took

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Speaker 1: Will Levis there? What about his traits and his skill

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Speaker 1: set led you to feel like this is a meld

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Speaker 1: with Chris Ballard with Shanes And you did this before

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Speaker 1: Shane Stecken was hired his coach, So yep, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's an important part. It sounds like that's the point

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Speaker 1: that I was going to start out with, because like

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Speaker 1: that's a game changer. Obviously, you gotta you know, I

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Speaker 1: was just asking I forget who I was talking to

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Speaker 1: a minute ago, just saying, oh, how long, oh was

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Speaker 1: George Peyton, the general manager of the Broncos with Sean Payton? Now,

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Speaker 1: I said, how long does it take to feel like

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Speaker 1: you have an idea what your coach wants? Because that's

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Speaker 1: an important part of it. And there's obviously pressure in

829
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Speaker 1: Endy this year. You gotta find the right guy and

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Speaker 1: you gotta feel good about your selection short and long term,

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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot of work put into this,

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Speaker 1: and getting to know your coach and what they prefer

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Speaker 1: at the position is obviously a huge element of it.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to look at Shane and say, oh, well

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Speaker 1: he had Jalen hurts, let's look for the guy who

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Speaker 1: looks most like him. Well, he also had Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's also had other style quarterbacks too, I

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Speaker 1: believe Philip Rivers if I'm not mistaken. So you know,

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Speaker 1: those are three totally different, not totally different, but those

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Speaker 1: are three different models right there. Yeah. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can just go back and say, well, he

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Speaker 1: wants a Jalen part two. He may, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And there's also the Chris element what matters to him.

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought, you know, what impressed me most

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Speaker 1: about Levis during a tough season last year was that

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Speaker 1: he played hurt almost from the game. Yeah yeah, yeah,

847
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: banged up multiple injuries, playing behind an offensive line that

848
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: got eaten alive by the draft, you know, and portal

849
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: stuff and everything, new offensive coordinator. They had a lot

850
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: thrown at him. They lost a lot of skill position

851
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: guys too, and he really didn't hear much from him.

852
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: He just kind of went out there and gritted through it.

853
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't as pretty as it was the year before,

854
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: but the size and the toughness I think were two

855
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: things that that I thought I could see Chris Ballard

856
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: liking these traits. I could see other teams liking him too,

857
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: but it just sort of made sense. But I don't know.

858
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to maw on that one a little

859
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: bit more before I've started thinking who the right fit is. Well.

860
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: With that said on will Levis, how much of the

861
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: full picture because of the toe injury, the shoulder injury

862
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: for him? How much of the full picture did we

863
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: not see last year because of that? I always like

864
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, where of the generation with

865
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: the VHS tapes be kind rewind a blockbuster? Yes exactly,

866
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: you got you got to return your ear your movies

867
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and you realize you screwed up.

868
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: You gotta rewind with this guy. You have to watch

869
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season to see him close to

870
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: full capacity, right, And you might argue, Okay, he had

871
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: better talent around him. Of course he's gonna look better,

872
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: but you know he was more healthy. He played in

873
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: the system with an OC who's now back there, the

874
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: guy that they wanted, and Liam Cohen, so he just

875
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just I think it's a better window

876
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: into who he is a prospect. You can't throw out

877
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: what happened last year, but I think there is that

878
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: context of his running ability was staffed, you know, the

879
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: shoulder effective things as well. It's tough. Anthony Richardson is

880
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: probably going to be a guy who your eyes just

881
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: got wied when I brought him up, because this is

882
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: this seems like the week for him where he can

883
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: go out there at Lucas Oil Stadium, he can sling

884
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: it around with his Bazuka army and show off his

885
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: athleticism and his playmaking ability. But when you talk to

886
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: people around the league, like we were talking to Daniel Jeremiah,

887
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: who he had some people who said, this guy's number

888
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: two on our board. Some people think he's mid round

889
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: type talent. When you talk to people, what sense do

890
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: you feel do you get on Richardson? And is there

891
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: anything close to a consensus on him right? I don't

892
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: think so. I think I've I've only talked to a

893
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: handful of people about him, you know, and different levels too,

894
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: like area scouts who've been through there and know him,

895
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: and college scouting directors in an all the way up

896
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: the chain or whatever. But a lot of it was

897
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: during the season more of like a fascination. I don't

898
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: even know he's going to come out at that point.

899
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: People are interested in him. He's got you know, he's

900
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: got sort of the Cam Newton starter set, if you will, right,

901
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, just like the at least some of the

902
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: traits that Cam had. I mean, I think he's a

903
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: different quarterback, but like it's hard to overlook a physical

904
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: specimen and say, this guy throws the ball really well.

905
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: He's a terrific athlete. But then again, you could watch

906
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: say the Kentucky game against Will Levison. You would have

907
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: come out of that game saying, Will, it's a better

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: quarterback right now, right by the end of the season.

909
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Maybe that shifted a little. The workouts matter, the interviews matter.

910
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: The sample size is small, but we've seen smaller or

911
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: sample sizes o higher now in the last few years,

912
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: where guys have you know, had limited experience and been

913
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: able to be taken high. So he's got a chance,

914
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: especially with Bryce Young not throwing here, I think that'll

915
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: that'll help kind of set him apart a little. Yeah, Eric,

916
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: given where the cults are at and sitting at number

917
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: four in the draft and like you said, not being

918
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: a there's not a ton of separation for you between

919
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, and C C. J. Stroud. But what would

920
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: your threshold be if you just love one guy over

921
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: another between those two, what would be your threshold to

922
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: go from four to one? What would you be willing

923
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: to give up? And where would be the the line

924
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: of demarcation there? I think, you know, I feel like

925
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Chicago is going to dig its seals in and say,

926
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: first round pick, we got to have it to move

927
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: next year anywhere. Next year's first Sorry, yes, it's that clear,

928
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, um, and I think that's gonna be

929
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: the non negotiable if I had a guess. It's not

930
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: like I've you know, heard it directly from a source

931
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But then you got to ask

932
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: yourself like the Bears did with Justin Fields, like other

933
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: teams who've made those similar moves, and say, are we

934
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: okay potentially giving up a top ten pick because you

935
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know how the season's going to

936
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: turn out. And that's what you know. The Bears I

937
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: think made the trade and didn't assume they were going

938
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: to be trading away what was it, the fifth pick,

939
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: last overall pack? Yeah, so you know, and now they're

940
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: they're invested in the guy. That's that's the difference is

941
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: that you're you're kind of pot committed right at that

942
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: point when you when you put all your chips in

943
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: on one guy like that. So I think they have

944
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: to get used to the idea of being a first

945
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: round pick next year, and that could be one through

946
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: thirty two, you don't know. So as you're playing out

947
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: these scenarios and who could trade up and where could

948
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: go where you know, who could go where? One one

949
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: kind of pet theory that I have is that it's

950
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: not a slam dunk that Houston takes a quarterback at

951
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: number two overall, that they may stack up their board

952
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: and have Jalen Carter and Will Anderson light years ahead.

953
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Sure if any of these quarterbacks, Damiko Ryan's coming in

954
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: and saying, why are we reaching for a terack when

955
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: this roster is not set up to win with a quarterback?

956
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Right now, We're not a quarterback away. Let's continue to

957
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: build the infrastructure. We still have two first round picks

958
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, we'll have the ammo to go

959
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: get one of those guys, potentially Caleb Williams or Drake

960
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: May and maybe they sit there and they take Jail

961
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: and Carter. If you are the Colton, You're sitting at

962
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: four and you have to want to entertain all these

963
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: different scenarios that could happen. Of do we trade up,

964
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: do we stand pat, do we move up one spot

965
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to Arizona? Do we move up four to a you

966
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: know the Bears. How much stock would you put into

967
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: the thought that, hey, maybe Houston won't take a quarterback.

968
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I will say this, You know, teams absolutely project for

969
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: the next year's draft who might be available. Right, It's

970
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: never going to be a perfect process. But in this case,

971
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: when you have two ace quarterbacks, and by the way,

972
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: this reminder, I refer to him as Marcus May the

973
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: other day, and the host kind of I could tell, yeah,

974
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: I just didn't even realize that. But Drake May, Caleb Williams,

975
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: possibly others. We'll see how Dion's kid does it. Color

976
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's go home. Yeah, but those are the two hot names.

977
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: And my guess is if they were in this class,

978
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: they'd be above most, if not all, these guys. Now,

979
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, Bryce Young has done a lot of good things.

980
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: C J. Strou has done a lot of good things.

981
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: But there is an appetite for the scouting community to

982
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: start working on those guys, and they already have. So

983
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: it's awfully tempting, isn't it. Like you said, when you

984
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: when you already know you're going to be in a

985
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: position to trade for next year. If you start, if

986
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: you see that happen, that's gonna be really fascinating. They're

987
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily tanking, but they're just building up the infrastructure

988
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: another year and boy, you get one of those defenders

989
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: and then another pick at twelve, where I think is

990
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: where they're at, or you could trade that twelfth pick

991
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: or and move up into the top five and still

992
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: take a quarterback potential. Could you imagine them working it

993
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: from the top from the bottom up, I should say,

994
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: where they pass on the quarterback and then somehow find

995
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: a way to move up. It would be risky and

996
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: it may may not be cost effective, but it would

997
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: be certainly fascinating it but they them to do it.

998
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: They could, And that's that's just in a top sent

999
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: I've had so much time to like think about this

1000
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: right that I've just been waiting. I've been like telling Metawn,

1001
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Eric about what's gonna happen all that

1002
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: happen to, like, please tell me if this is a

1003
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: crackpot theory or if like you may be onto something

1004
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: and so are you hoping for the trade to be

1005
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Let's say a trade happens earlier or later so you

1006
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: can farm out every single possible I mean, like, like,

1007
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I like, we haven't already farmed these out in my head,

1008
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: Like every every time I take a walk with my dog,

1009
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: I come back and I'm like, I've thought of four

1010
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: other scenarios. But the problem with us, Eric is that

1011
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: we started talking about this stuff internally in the office,

1012
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: certainly not on the air. But this was mid December,

1013
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: of course, you know, fodder in the office obviously, just

1014
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: given the way the season was going and the way

1015
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: it ended. There last couple of things from me, other

1016
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: draft needs for the Colts outside of quarterback. What might

1017
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: those be for you as you look at maybe rounds

1018
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: two and three, if if they do hypothetically keep those picks, yeah,

1019
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: I think probably still both from the offensive line. I

1020
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: would say, still adding another playmaker of some sort, either

1021
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: a pass catching back or a receiver. With Nihim gone,

1022
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: and I would say another spot open at receiver at

1023
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: Paris is a free agent round, So you got to

1024
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, do we keep them, do we

1025
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: have a spot a guy that we like up there?

1026
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Obviously Alec Pierce on the way up and whatnot, you know. Um,

1027
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would say that on the offensive side

1028
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: of the ball, maybe some depth at tight end. I

1029
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: know they're excited about Gilani, but but you know, you'd

1030
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: still maybe like another another body there. Uh. I'm just

1031
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of rolling through my head, you know, certainly defensive lineman. Um,

1032
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where are you guys? Are they Are

1033
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: they one of the teams though? Where? Because there they

1034
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys who are star level players

1035
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Quittin Nelson, shack winner, but they're both coming off disappointing

1036
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: season Jonathan Taylor same boat, you know, coming off seasons

1037
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: where they were banged up a little bit or they

1038
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: didn't play up to the level that they hoped. M

1039
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Are they a team or you you almost look at

1040
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: him to say, there aren't any needs specifically, but there

1041
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: are needs for playmakers. Yeah, like outside of like maybe

1042
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: maybe don't take a defensive tackle because you got Bucking

1043
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: and Grover Stewart there who are fantastic, but almost like

1044
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: any other position, you can make an argument that the

1045
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: Colts you can still do best player available, right, you

1046
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 1: can do you can legitimately do best player available because

1047
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: you need best players available. You're not just filling holes

1048
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: on this roster. Yeah, And I mean look like if

1049
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: you look back, I bet you the Colts have a

1050
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: higher batting average if you will in the draft in

1051
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: terms of just finding players who are cable of making

1052
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: our team, right, Yeah, even if they're not a superstar caliber.

1053
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think they hit on a higher rate

1054
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: than those and so that helps get to this point

1055
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: where you say, we don't feel that excruciating need outside

1056
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: and possibly one or maybe two positions or whatever. So

1057
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: if that ends up happening, what a luxury it is. Plus,

1058
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: As a GM told me years ago, I said, well,

1059
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you guys don't need X, Y or Z. I forget

1060
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: what position. He said. You know, you're super stars. When

1061
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: they go down, when they get hurt, who's their backup?

1062
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: The dropoff can be cavernous. Ye, And that's a consideration too.

1063
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: You have to have good backups for your good players too.

1064
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: So you know, it's something that there's always needs at

1065
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: every position, whether you you know, whether you like it,

1066
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: or not. So. I mean, the Colts didn't need are

1067
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: running back in twenty twenty, made Marlon matt coming off

1068
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: a thousand yards season to nineteen hinds one of the

1069
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: best receiving backs in the NFL, and they drafted a superstar. Yeah,

1070
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: today's needs are tomorrow's weaknesses and the vice versa always

1071
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: is the case. And I it's hard not to do

1072
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: a mock draft and be like, well, they could use

1073
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: a tackle, and there's a pretty good tackle there. Pair

1074
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: them up and that's fine. But at the same time,

1075
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: when I go off of the needs the top three

1076
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: needs list, people always ras me for it. And I think,

1077
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: let's go back last year and look in the first

1078
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: round and see a bitch, there were five or six

1079
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: teams that didn't take a mass need need and they

1080
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: just got a good player. Yeah, that's a pretty good

1081
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: way to do it. Yep. Hey, last one for me

1082
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: staying in the AFC South Jacksonville legit, staying power. Are

1083
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: they going to be around for a while? I think so,

1084
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: And I think Doug has a lot to do with it.

1085
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: Trevor obviously too. And and you know, the excitement because

1086
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: they were right there. They were like from from me

1087
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: to you and I just wanted to talk some junk.

1088
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah it didn't happen, though, I'm I'm fascinating to see

1089
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: what the next step is, you know, to see how

1090
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: because especially when expectations are high, you know that's really

1091
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: what what what changes things? And then maybe you can

1092
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: handle it, maybe you can't. I don't know. Yep, no

1093
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: doubt about it. Last one for me, I just want

1094
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: to get your your thoughts on this. Are there guys

1095
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: here at the combine who you are legitimately excited to

1096
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: see what they do this week? Like, are there guys

1097
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: who you think there's so much variance and how you

1098
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: evaluate them right now that the combine will narrow your

1099
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: focus on what kind of players they are and just

1100
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: can be two or three names who we should keep

1101
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: an eye on over the next couple of days. Well,

1102
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: first off, I did a piece that I may come

1103
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: out today. I think about the predicting who could be

1104
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: in the fastest forty times or whatever, and I put

1105
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: way too much time into this looking like high school

1106
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: ten meters and you know, high jumps and everything. So

1107
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching that very closely to see

1108
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: how badly or how well I did on that, but

1109
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: as far as specific players, boy, I wish I could

1110
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: just you know, if you're gonna take a running back

1111
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: in the first round, let's say, or a tight end,

1112
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: tight end, we can have multiple tight ends. They better

1113
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: be pretty special, I think. Yeah, or at least, you know,

1114
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: give me some kind of superpower. What do they do

1115
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: really better than everybody else? So you know, Luke Musgrave

1116
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: and Dalton King Kay, I don't know if kink Kay

1117
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: can work out. Yeah, I have to think about that one.

1118
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: But the you know, b Gen Robinson, it running back,

1119
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs. Those guys want to be first round picks.

1120
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Like let's go, let's see, let's see something a little special.

1121
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: And I know that's it's a tough ask with these guys,

1122
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: but that may be what it comes down to for

1123
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: some teams. There you go, he's from Chicago, but he's

1124
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: a who'sier for five days. Eric ed Holme in the

1125
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: house here at the Combine NFL dot Com double E.

1126
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time, Matt Pleasure. That's good stuff right there. Again.

1127
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: That's Eric at Holme from earlier today at the Combine.

1128
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: We're back live if you will here on the podcast

1129
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: with the Red Button recording here with Lara Overards and

1130
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Taylor JJ Stangovitz, And as a reminder, we

1131
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: are loaded up. I mean this is just Tuesday. Well,

1132
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: we're here all day tomorrow. You talk about, Wow, let's

1133
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: go at the Combine. Now we're loaded up. Seriously, We're

1134
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: talking to all the different movers and shakers and we're

1135
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna have interviews posted this week, next week, hell maybe

1136
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: even the week after that kind of sprinkle out the

1137
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: big time gather that we get here at the Combine

1138
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: this week. Wrapping up though, JJ, your random thought of

1139
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: the week is a Combine center. It is, and I

1140
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: actually thought of it before we even had this conversation

1141
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: earlier on the podcast. But this weekend I went to

1142
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: a friend's house. We brought our kids over. We had

1143
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: a little brunch party and a couple Mimosas in the

1144
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: host of it goes you want to go play Golden Eye,

1145
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: and I said absolutely, like like James Bond. Yeah, So

1146
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: the four dads went to the basement and we played

1147
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: Golden Eye. That's where all the kids were running around

1148
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to tendo sixty four. Yeah, I'm trying

1149
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: to take out trying to take out my opponents. Okay

1150
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: with you know silence PP. Seven while my kids are like, Daddy,

1151
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: look at me. So with that in mind and thinking

1152
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: about the combine and Frank Craick telling you you suck

1153
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: while you're playing that game? Yeah, what game would you

1154
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: be the best at? While someone is desperately trying to

1155
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: distract you, whether it is a head coach of a

1156
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: football team, whether it's a child, what game would you

1157
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: still crush? No matter what is going around on around

1158
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: you mat t listen. You can say whatever you want

1159
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: to me. Um, you can throw stuff at me below

1160
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: an airhorn in my ear and I will still dominate

1161
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: you in cornhole. That's not a video. I thought it

1162
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: was a video. I can I'll get them all on

1163
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 1: the board. I'll land at least two in the hole

1164
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: no matter what you do to me. Wow. Yeah, I'm

1165
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: a terrible game player. You guys know. I don't watch movies,

1166
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: don't play games like I'm really really bad about that. Um,

1167
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: but I'm going back to a little bit of nostalgia

1168
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: when you guys had Nintendo's growing up. I remember one

1169
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: really big Christmas Sanson blew it out of the water.

1170
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: He brought the old power pad. Oh yeah, do you

1171
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: guys remember power pad and there was track and field exactly,

1172
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we had the duck

1173
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: Hunter with it and all of that. Well, uh, you know,

1174
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: the young Overton sisters got really good cheating on the

1175
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: track and like this. So you would do the log

1176
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: jump about. So you did the lunch I mean with

1177
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: your hands, you just lift him up, and the problem

1178
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: is if you left him off too long, you would

1179
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: just tumble head first. Yeah, I really had to get

1180
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: the timing down. I think that I could go back

1181
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: to like a nineteen ninety four little Larra and channel

1182
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: my inner power pad prowess. So speaking of that, like

1183
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: my neighbor down the street he had Nintendo and listen,

1184
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: this is before like Sega Genesis, Like Nintendo was the

1185
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: only game in town, and my parents would never get

1186
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: me one. So I would just go down to Ross's house.

1187
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: My bet, my buddy Ross down the street. He had Nintendo,

1188
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: he had every game, he all had Disney Plus before

1189
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Disney Plus, he had every Disney movie on VHS. So

1190
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I would go down to Ross's house and just sort

1191
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: of like geek out when when Ross got Sega, I

1192
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I gotta have. So the next Christmas,

1193
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: Santa brought Sega. Santa stepped up like you said, yeah,

1194
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: that was it, Like I was. I was hooked. So

1195
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: never had a Nintendo, but played enough Nintendo to understand

1196
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But Santa brought Sega. I was

1197
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: a second. I also really liked Miss pac Man. Not

1198
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: that I'm very good at it, but I was a

1199
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: big fan. Like if you would go like Friday Night's film,

1200
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: we get pizza, you go to the spot that has

1201
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: like the pac Man pizza. Yeah, yeah, well we had

1202
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: the local spot that had you too, dude. My Friday

1203
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: night was order a pizza and go rent a movie

1204
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: or a game. Yeah that to Blockbuster. Yeah that was

1205
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: my Friday night until I was seventeen. I would go

1206
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: to De Nico's Pizza, whether you get the pizza that

1207
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: comes in the box that says delicious Italian pizza on it.

1208
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: Then I go to the Blockbuster down the block. Ye,

1209
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: get a movie or video game, come back home. It

1210
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: was Friday. What's your game? The way you didn't answer

1211
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Mario Kart sixty four you could beat you could Blue

1212
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: Blue could hit me with a pie while I was

1213
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: playing Mario Kart sixty four, and I'd still kick everything.

1214
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: I think I think i'd give you a run for

1215
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: your money. I really knew. I think I could. Like,

1216
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: we didn't make this. I played enough. Yeah, I played

1217
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: enough Mario Kart. So I'm just gonna propose. Hey, I

1218
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: hope Mike Stevens like is listening to this, because you

1219
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: know we could put that up on the old nine

1220
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: monitor TV in the studio. Yeah, oh boy, let's do it,

1221
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get my ass kicked then. No, it's great.

1222
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Okay, Yeah, we're yeah,

1223
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: this summer project, offseason projects this summer. This is what

1224
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with the Golds Complex. I love it.

1225
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: Too much pressure right there, I like it. I'd side

1226
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: NHL ninety four. I was Oh. I showed a lot

1227
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: of promise in that game as well. NBA jam On

1228
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Sega Genesis. Yeah, okay, I had my entire second grade

1229
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: class over for guys. The boys in the second grade

1230
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: class all came over to my house. NFL Blitz two thousand,

1231
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: that would be my other game. Yeah, I stop playing

1232
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: video games like right around then, Like right around high school,

1233
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I stopped playing video. I was. I was a little

1234
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: little on the younger side for that one. But oh man,

1235
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: I could I could kick some button. Just run. All

1236
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: you have to do is run to bomb. Anyone has

1237
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: played NFL Blitz knows exactly the play I'm talking about.

1238
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: You just run to bomb over and over again. It

1239
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: is your key to victory. You can't stop. Did you

1240
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: guys have d Rose videos? You said Blockbuster. I grew

1241
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: up on d Rose video. We had Blockbuster? Yeah, Johnny

1242
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: Rose shis Creek? Yeah, yeah, I heard Derrick Rose videos

1243
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: like it started. It started off great and then man,

1244
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: it can't believe it's still around. Huh. Good Ship's Creek

1245
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: pole right there. That's good stuff, right, That was good

1246
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: Rose video. That was the Empire that Fell. Yeah, I

1247
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: love it. That's good stuff right there. Yeah, David, David, David,

1248
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. I like it. We're all loaded up.

1249
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: But before we get out of here, I did get

1250
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: a request for you on the podcast for me from

1251
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: a loyal listener who happens to be my wife who's

1252
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: been listening to our podcast for a watch. Shout out

1253
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: to Betsy Stink and she goes Matate does a really

1254
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: good Don Fisher impressed. Oh yeah, and we're watching the

1255
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: AYR Purdue game and she goes, I bet he can

1256
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: do a really good Gus Johnson impression of like I've

1257
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: heard it, overes Jeff I turn a Mica off here

1258
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: over look at Damn Hoosiers. The laugh is, I think

1259
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: spot on it. Isla Overton, Hello with a t O

1260
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: here in West Laffe yet bad to play that back

1261
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: up at March bad. I really just wanted Mate to

1262
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: do that on Radio Row. So people look at me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, we came to Indy for this.

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Speaker 1: Geez all right. As always, we're loaded up on the

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Speaker 1: Cults official podcast channel, the Colts Audio Network all week

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Speaker 1: long doing interviews, as we say, Daniel Jeremiah with us,

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Speaker 1: Eric ed Holme. You just heard Jordan Reid is going

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Speaker 1: to join us. Dan Graziano, Cynthia Freeland from NFL Network

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Speaker 1: all schedule to put on the headset with us here

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Speaker 1: on Radio Row. So check that out all week long.

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Speaker 1: Our Free Agent Tracker podcast continued this week, talking about

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Speaker 1: Ronny McLeod and Brandon Fason. We also broke down the

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Speaker 1: specialist Matt Hawk and Chase McLoughlin, and Inside the Draft

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Speaker 1: is back this week with Charlie Campbell, so check it

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Speaker 1: all out. Chris Ballard, Shane stike In talking with the

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Speaker 1: media tomorrow. That's Wednesday here at the Combine and we'll

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Speaker 1: break it all down the rest of the week. JJ

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Speaker 1: Scott Stankovitz on the written side, Layer Overton on the

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Speaker 1: video side. Also all combining on the Colts Audio Network

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Speaker 1: for the latest here on the Colts at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again next week. This is the Colts

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Speaker 1: Official Podcast, brought to you by Win Bett. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next Tuesday. So long for now from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine.